THEY THINK IT'S ALL OVER | Budget Bike Battle Benidorm
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ต.ค. 2024
- The Suzuki saga continues, as JHS Racing throw everything into getting this show back on the road. Is it too little too late?
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Personally, i think the R1 has won already without turning a wheel... (this is Chris BTW.. 😂😂)
And Fagan will still continue to trash talk... When you say you want to ride it, he says that's unfair, then calls you out for not having ridden it yet.
44Teeth „turning a bent wheel“🤓
In the Christmas spirit, you should loan the HP4 to chubby Stathom for the battle.
Shooting yourself in the foot, buying a trash bike, is a way to always have something to moan about; and an excuse for perpetual depressed stress and grief.
Some people are lost without it.
Subconsciously finding a way to remain in the oppressed pigeon hole of life's sorting office.
Hugs for Statham.
Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays all.
R1 is my pick, 148 horses + it looks to be in better shape.
Dont apologise for delays in uploads lads, most of us followers appreciate how much time and effort goes into these videos with not much reward so we are thankfull that you continue to do them f**k the ppl who moan they are not true supporters. Merry christmas
I second Gary’s sentiments.
Right on! Quality of quantity
Absolutely! Well said! Also, I love that two full grown men shooting a video about riding sport bikes, both without hesitation change to cute doggy voices when a dog comes around. Comedic gold. At 11:44
Agreed
How weird is it that the bbb italia bikes were still the most reliable ones up to date!
Yep , everybody gave them jip about the italian bikes being too expensive , how much would it cost to buy the gixxer and get it running right with parts and labour? Can't be much in it.
To be fair, those bike weren't used to the extent that these were either
Who would of thought the MV would be the most reliable 😂
Yeah they didn't pay $2k for those bikes
@@bmc5014 correct , they didn't , but how much do you think they spent on suspension bits , replacement wheels , replacement ECU's , looms , sensors , throttle bodies cams, valve clearances (including one ecu shipped from USA) not to mention a handful of unsuccessful dyno sessions and countless man hours in at JHS , I doubt the public would pay any less than 40 quid an hour for the same work .
Let James: keep it and part it out. Cause it don't make dollar if it don't make cents?
👌🏻👍🏻
What an unlikely duo. One is an ex-professional motorcycle racer, the other........ errrr......... looks like an ex-Boy Band member in the 90's who's career went stale and never caught that lucky break. Whatever the case, it works! Awesome channel, keep it up guys. :P
Chris really does look like him and his school mates had a number 1 hit back in the day, but could never capitalise on that success. Sometimes, if you look deep enough in his eyes, you can almost see the regret he has about the things they did to get that record deal.
How did they meet do you know?
Chris used to be a cocktail waitress in Soho and the other one used to go there. 😂
Flyn Grindr
launch it from the cliff 👍🏻 #teamgreen
Best wishes to James @ JHS, 3rd team member!
I'm not sure who gets more screen time, Mossy or James, but I'd think Mossy would clinch it.
@@iamtherealzombie Mossy's a newcomer by comparison! A well deserved #4
The next BBB will be “we saved our money and didn’t bother buying bikes” 🤣
🤣🤣🤣🤣👌🏻
"We're not Top Gear" - no you're not, because you're better
Best wishes to James also!
Break bike, place parts in van, drive to house of guy who sold bike, throw parts at him.
#jazzhandsforjames :)
Pillion on the R1! Meant to be.
hat's a monocycle never gonna have the front wheel down chortle!
both of you take the R1. Taking turns bring a pilion. Then find a bike for Al to ride back when you're there. Cheapy one. XD
Let Al ride the R1 and Chris the standby Blade since Al despises it so much.
That repsol looks mint.
"You could ride to KFC"
KFC being about 50 meters down the road haha
And hopefully downhill
Have you tried turning on and off again?
Layed it down in a bowl of rice?
soundproof the dyno room with egg boxes?
Ecu’s internally usually have 3 vref (reference voltage) points but come out of the connector on multiple pins, for an example map, maf, throttle position sensor and cam sensor will all have individual wires from the ecu but internally all get the reference voltage from the same point, at high rpm this could spike from vibration or whatever and cause an issue with other circuit, cam/crank correlation being a very sensitive circuit might be the one that logs the code, It would be worth checking the vref on the cam sensor and see what your getting when the fault happens voltage may increase or drop by only 0.1v but that would be a fault. Not trying to teach you how to suck eggs, I work with ecu manufactures so thought it may help?
KB Eightyseven this sounds too smart to be bs, they should look into this
If they've swapped ECUs and wiring harnesses, would this still be an issue?
So that might be a reg-rec issue?
@@noobasdfjkl not necessarily as they haven't swapped everything which could interfere
KB Eightyseven
I pretty much suggested they take voltage and amp readings last video but sounds like they've not bothered. My theory was that at the hard cut point power draw was triggering something to pull a circuit low and cause ecu shutdown that could only cured by re-initialising where it once again would see correct voltage.
Since they've changed the loom, the coils and the actual ecu and sensors then surely that leaves the voltage regulator and power circuit. If VR can't deliver what the bike is asking under heavy load ( the point at which they're getting the hard cut ) the ecu is going to be starved of voltage briefly and shutdown until load is removed and then ecu can be re-initialised with a turn off the key.
What do you think?
Surely a brand new oem voltage regulator and battery is worth a try.
This upload is an early christmas gift
And so are you ❤️😉😘
"How bad is your K6?"
"It's made the mechanic so ill he had to go to hospital."
I think going forward there should be a back up banger for these battles. Something truly dreadful like a Hyosung 125.
"...I think going forward there should be a back up banger for these battles. Something truly dreadful like a Hyosung 125..."
YUP. 👍🏻👌🏻🤣
How's James doing? All the best mate. Top bloke.
Is there something there community to do for James?
I'd like to know this as well. :)
Hope NHS got him covered, if not: let us know!
He’d be loaded from the labour he makes fixing these metastasised bikes anyway
Get well James!
Have you replaced the powerband it may have gotten stretched?
That repsol blade is a beauty!
2 and a half grand...🤒 must o been hard up
@@mcmozz agree mate, they had his pants down BIG time - thats someone flogging it for XMAS money that is!
Surely it’s a correlation fault between the cam and crank sensor, I’ve had issues in the past with crank sensor wiring which has been frayed and at high rpm causes a misfire due to poor current flow, by disconnecting the cam sensor it may be allowing it to use just one sensor as an engine speed reference
that sounds promising ,real world knowledge.
Sounds plausible.
Promised monday release, gave a monday release. Men of their wooorddd!
How about setting up a donation thing for JHS????
now there is a thought.
Mate rates are one thing but then there is working on a hospital ward.
It's a good idea. But remember that in Britain they have public healthcare, so he won't pay anything for his stay at hospital. But his business will of course suffer from him not being there.
So good idea :)
Poor bastards, I agree. Unless they pull massive biz from this channel this can't b a net win for them.
Checked for voltage leak to ground? Could be messing up signals to the ecu
Also shielding.
Buy shit gixxer. immediately throw on a mosfet and run a second ground. run it till it sets on fire. jobs a goodun
James, get well soon!
And on the topic of the gixxer; couldn’t you get Suzuki on board? Have them show their in-depth knowledge and expertise of their own bikes on this highly valued channel? Could be a rather good social media marketing strategy, right?
Crash it through the front room of the guy you bought it from!
He must have known it ran shitty when he was selling it...?
Find the guy who sold you the dog of a bike.
Line the bike up with his door.
Put it up on a paddock stand.
Get it revving flat out in 6th.
Push it forward off the stand👍👍
Get well soon James
Great idea - but with one flaw in your cunning plan ie It won't rev flat-out in 6th!
2nd should still see 100mph thru the front door, maybe even on one wheel. 6th is for straight line heros...
😂forgot about that bit
....and ring the doorbell before you drop the clutch!
Awesome episode. Amazing efforts by the JHS guys on this. I'm from the US, but if I were across the pond I'd trust their work 1000% judging from these videos. Electrical gremlins are a friggin nightmare.
I've got a mint k5 in the garage just take that 👍😎??????????
Get well soon James!
I laughed so hard when you said bikes have got to be safe for the track (though you are right). Wasn't I just watching a vid with you two and a 916 (or similar) that woudn't start, without brakes that went back out on track a couple of times finishing in the gravel? Perhaps I misunderstood? LOL!
BTW, if you have any ideas of Top Gear being superior to your goodselves, think again. And take a look at what became of the Old Gear, what a load of semen...
Keep it up - figuratively.
All these build-up videos are pretty great to be honest. It's awesome to live vicariously through you and not own that gixxer at the end of the day. Though as a multiple Buell owner, I'm familiar with bikes costing one dearly.
Sell that Suzuki for parts or drop a piano on it.
Challenge a 44t fan to fix it with the winner being part of your next BBC. Just a thought. Great video once again chaps. Keep it up. Loving it.
BBC? Youre watching to much porn man
You've had an oscilloscope on the signal wire of the cam, right?? I work at Continental and develop ecu software
Roy May backprobe it
I’ve seen 3 great suggestions on here from other viewers.
1. Get another engine from a working bike
2. Ask the Superbike Surgery to help out with diagnosis
3. Ask Suzuki for help.
If it was my bike, I’d either have to live with it not maxxxing out and ride around that and or break it for parts.
4. Change the name of the series to BBR "Budget bike repair"
5. Put it together and just RUN THE DAMN THING.
JHS are going to get a lot of work from these videos, and rightly so. I’m in Swindon but will be taking my K5 to them if I ever have to. Should be K5/K6 gurus by the end of this 😂
When the cps is unplugged it will revert to a default set of metrics. Can you read the position through the obd?
I'll give you £250 for it pre-cliff.
£2.50 post-cliff.
1st hope James is recovering well 👍
2nd the cam sensors that have been fitted to the bike are they new genuine ones ?
3rd about time on a update lol
They're most likely used.
🤦♂️ if that’s true guys get a new one in there
Could you cut the bike into pieces using a super high power water gun? There's a TH-cam channel that cuts all kinds of weird shit apart.
Great channel lads, don't listen to the haters. Jazz Hands to James. Merry Cunting Christmas one and all.
Hey guys, been catching up with the videos as been too busy for TH-cam for a while but I had a very similar problem with my 2007 gsxr 1000..... after messing round looking for problems everywhere I finally found the issue I was having where at full throttle the bike would just hit a wall and go into limp mode. Turned out it was the mounting bolt holes on my throttle valve actuator, one was cracked and the other broken which slightly rotated the actuator so essentially I asked for full throttle and it thought it gave it to me but realised there was more to go so threw a wobbly.
Hope this helps in some way, just sounds like it’s the same fault I had.
Much love lads
This is one big advert for JHS racing, legends.
I said it before but I shall say it again. K5/K6 used is never a good idea. Adding race fairing and things get even worse. The R1 will turnout okay as those are good-ish. 04-07 Blades make great used buys as the original owners tend to be less 'spirited ' compared to GIXXER riders. Can't wait to see how this BBB turns out.
coco the clown🤣🤣🤣 comment the mechanic. Good chemistry it seems between these two it seemingly contrasting very smart guys. The 2 really are dynamite! one sounds real well educated(private fee paying school) the other state school smartie. - Both witty and wildly inteligent packaged differntly real odd match up . Love the bike tech talk, not for the super rich, very main stream for the most of us. Learned a bunch about bikes watching these two 10/10
Stretched cam chain! ECU is protecting the engine from valve damage, disconnecting the sensor removes the protection so will rev out.
Backflip the GSXR in to a foam pit!
travis pastrana fan? and wasn't it a front flip? lol
@@I0ITuGI0I no , backflip into the foam pit , front flip over the foam pit onto concrete 🤣🏍🚀
Vfr750's next time you plonkers, those things never give up
ChaosTVAfrica
Absolutely!
( although you probably need to sort out a new RR and fit a new exhaust collector because oem ones rot really quickly and the RR fries itself from lack of cooling airflow )
New brake piston seals as a new owner precautionary measure.
And get well soon James ...top man.👍🏼
You my friend have got gremlins
Just don't feed it after 12
My first tought is how is the tone wheels on the cams, and on the crank? Checked that they are not cracked? I assume you changed the ones on the cams. I'm not familiar with the K5, so I don't know if it's part of the cam or not. Next is spacing of the sensors, checking that it's within spec. Again, problem can be on crank also. Next is where do the sensors ground? Check/clean that ground point, might be on the other side of the ECU. Or not. I assume you checked charging voltage on high rpm, and that's OK. Not overvolting.
But to be honest, I would probably scoop both sensors while on the Dyno first thing. Very good bet you will see the problem right away I think. If they actually drift apart, but signal is normal otherwise, you have a mechanical issue. Tensioner, chain or sprockets most likely.
Just my thoughts. Not to be a wiseguy or anything...
Strip the Vstrom down. Flash the ECU and put Brembos on it. You'll be more comfortable on the journey and you'll finish first on the track because you'll finish! :-) I would love to see fagan on a strom!
I know Will said they'd checked the cam chain but I'd renew that anyway....also, how's the air gap between sensor and pin?
The CBR being a second and a half a lap slower but without the bent wheels and putting members of the team in hospital.... sounds like a great plan.
K5 anybody???
Wonder how the previous GSXR owner feels about the bike sale?
Well tbh...cracked and bent wheels. Many issues. The boys got shafted tbh but yea...its gotta be a weird one as he was in the video!
M E
Nobody's buying him a pint the next bikeshow he goes to.
I’ve got a Kawasaki ZX9R if you want to buy it! £1750
BBB, 5 grand later 🤦♂️😂
Exactly. They should never even take these bikes into the shop. BBB should be "Run what you bought"
@@Phyde4ux yeah but they need to get them there. Safely 😂
Al´s handheld needs some "focus you fack" attention!!!
I hope James gets better soon. Why don’t you guys look at an zx10r?
This has been the best of the BBB series in my view. I've bought and sold several motorcycles over the last decade. I've had 'issues' with every used ride...mostly minor and one major (looking at you in my avatar 2005 BMW K1200S with servo brakes!!)...and your video just reinforces that looks can kill.
Mm give it up, gsxr a dog.BBB broken, busted and buggered. Chris wins. Time to move on.No shame in admitting you were royally ripped off.it ain't a budget battle any more. Sell the R1 and buy a couple of Honda vfr800 same bikes so no advantage.
Ps hope James gets well soon, still enjoy your videos. 👌
I still want to see you two on a Triumph and Norton or BSA or Ariel riding around Europe.. And by Triumph I'm not talking Hinkley I'm talking pre 1980.
So as for the sensor.. it's not a magnetic puck in the end of the cam that it's detecting that might be fouled is it? (I don't know how cam sensors work on Japanese bikes) Beyond that, I'm with Fagan on the inline toggle switch to turn it off once it's running so you don't have to disconnect it.
OtisENGINEuity
+1 👍 for the Triumph or BSA tour.
Or they could fly to India, BUY two Royal Enfields, then ride them back to UK as far as possible ( ferry crossings included of course ).
Mahindra bought BSA so that's another good possibility in the future.
It would make good PR / publicity for Mahindra / BSA also, so 44t should contact them and see if they're up for giving two new " loaners" for that epic trip.
They could ride from the proposed UK factory to Mahindra HQ in Mumbai.
can't believe Italian BBB went off basically without a hitch and these two Japanese workhorses are a pair of nuggets!
I once had an issue with my kill switch would cut power when the bars would vibe from the revs. I would give it a wack with my fist to get it to work until i replaced it. Don't know if the switch housing was replaced when you did the loom?
Worth a try, given that almost everything else has now been replaced.....
My Suzuki used to die around 110kmph randomly happened a few times . Zero crack on a motorway. Found it to be the foot stand switch was faulty bypassed it and never did it again.
If it's runnin take if green laning like Chris did with his about 5 years ago, or team up with Colin Furze and try to beat a world record for the longest motor bike, just an idea. Get well soon James too
Have to agree with Chris on this one, when your talking about cutting it in half with an angle grinder that is pretty serious😂😂😂
For me, the drama of it all is part of the story and entertainment. I watch the BBB series for the hope that the GSXargh is working, but if it's not, it means some sort of juicy etail discussing some other part that could be changed. Merry christmas gentlemen.
Matthew Tucknott
The journey is often better than the destination in these respects.
Good call.
motorbike sellers were so nice and seemed honest, but they didn't
So is it the rectifier?
I've been dribbling over the Motoline blade too. Looked good. I'm not sure Chris should have mentioned what they pad for it. Still the price does not seem that outrageous for what you get.
Toby
Soon to be collectable classic where the value just keeps rising.
Look at SP1's and 2's, RC30, and even the '92 blade.
Jazz hands for James 👐
A special switch.."gixer for blade" lol
The best budget battle so far, laughing so much the work shop vids are the best
Burnout until the engine pops?
Even though everything is going wrong, I love watching clever people trying to work it out... I am confident you will get there in the end with these guys!!!
When the camshaft position signal has failed during running, the ECM determines the cylinder positions as # to be the same as before occurrence of such a failure.
So when your disconnecting the CMP it goes to a default mode so to speak. This suggests the fault is occurring due to a timing issue.
Based on the information I would be looking at timing chain stretch, timing alignment, chain tension or possibly CKP.
Well done you👍🏽
Doesn't look like these guys have ever heard of an oscilloscope let alone used one!
It must be the only K6 in the world to be that bad......!!! Shame!!!! I am a Yamaha fun...and still, I cannot believe it....!!! Some people...must understand...that superbikes...CANNOT be that bad....!!!! Show some respect...!!!! Dont through "your" garbage on the street...!!!!
I heard that on the new k5 suzukis (gsx s1000 (f)) the exhaust cat often breaks... Also check the mass points of the main cable tree... Maybe grind the paint off and clean them.
The unscrupulous bastard that sold you that shed drop it from helicopter through his roof
Tough one, I personally wouldn't give up on it. To ruin a "working" bike would be sacrilege. Full engine swap maybe?
That was my thinking - one thing stands between this bike being an absolute beast.
I'd imagine any of the BBBs would have been a whole lot harder to do without James.
Get well soon.
Put it back together and sell it to me
Does this mean that the blade is still for sale?
so the GSXR with the cam sensor in place runs a diagnostic and allows the bike to start and run.
A pulsing/ voltage issue at higher RPMs from the cam sensor causes the bike to "chirp"
Once the the bike is running if the cam sensor is unplugged the "chirp" disappears and the bike runs normally and smoothly.
The hack or work around would be to take a relay N/O circuit powered from the alternator or oil pressure lights jump the cam sensor wire across this relay so as to have a closed circuit for start up, diagnostics. once started the relay loses voltage (light turns off) and goes to N/O turning off the cam position sensor.
I'm now wondering if this exists in the loom already and the relay has gone bad or the pulse width/ voltage is being misread.
Is the cam sensor of to high to low resistance?
is the cam sensor acting as a capacitor.
is the cam sensor the correct one and is there a difference between models ie do K6 GSXR have more or less windings than other model GSXR on the cam sensor resulting in higher/lower outputs from the cam sensor at higher RPMs
what is the pulsing volatage at ? RPMs
what does the square wave look like from the Cam sensor at various RPMs
Good luck see you in benidorm spring 2020
I love that these vids are, ‘warts and all’. So bored of bland bike reviews saying, “oh it’s great, you can pcp it for 10p a month”. It’s living with bikes and sorting the sh1t that is part of the journey. More please! And don’t give up, I want that gixxer alive! ✌️
Did you ever change the cam chain?
Take the 5K to another race mechanic and get a 2nd opinion. Worth a try for sure.
Oh wait... WATCHED THE ENDING !!! AWESOME !!
Is free content . . . why are people getting all bossy and demanding shit with out a right to do so ? Conceited much ? 😒🤨
BTW, I know this whole "Troubleshooting Hell" is VERY detrimental to the whole production and setting you back LOTS and LOTS of precious time and money . . . BUT ! I LOVE THE " BIKE DOCTOR SEGMENT ", as a car and motorcycle mechanic I just can't help it. 😁 The lads at JMHS are top help.👌🏻
Maybe I could have been a heck of a doctor but I faint at the mere sight of blood and wounds😨 . . . so I had to settle for motor oil and engine parts.😒😁
Keep up the good work, Lads ! 👍🏻 and best of luck to James ! 👍🏻
Please do a used bike special at motor line
I buy and sell GOOD bikes at good deals and would love to know the good bikes to buy when healthy and clean!
DONT BE WORRIED ABOUT PEOPLE GETTING PISSED,..THE TRUE FANS ARE FINE WITH U TAKING WHATEVR TIME U BEED TO MAKE IT RIGHT! 👍👍👍❤️️
What a nightmare! Is there any chance it’s the US ecu not playing ball as it’s fitted on a UK spec which doesn’t have some of the parts a US bike would have? Sounds like you’re onto something with the cam sensor but it might be due to US & UK ecu specs
Best of luck guys!! 😎
Use it as ‘thief bait’ by parking it in London. Presumably it’s insured..........and the scumbags get a kangaroo bike with electric gremlins.
Fix it - would be very satisfying to get to the root of the problem & you´re already well invested into it it would be a shame to bin it & never know...
I drove a 1.1l 1995 Ford Fiesta to MONGOLIA .. over 10,000 miles via 19 Countries via Iran and Turkmenistan. - No checks, I just set off and made it. You are fumbling too much thinking WHAT IF? .. Just head off and face the problems as they come :D That's the whole fun of budget! :D
bridge rectifier is getting to many volts or to few this could cause this problem but work fine at lower revs have had this myself it will work round town just fine but give it a bit to much power and cuts out and its game over and wont start give it a few mins and its back to life
Shawn mc7406
A bridge rectifier is normally used to cut half of an AC input leaving DC output ( it lops half a signal waveform ).
I'm sure you meant voltage regulator or regulator rectifier.
I did yes sorry
Was feeling shit with man flu...feel much better now watching this ...cheers lads 👍
hey guys, how about some riding tutorials? Check out alberto naska his vids are epic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lesson learned...
ALWAYS Redline some guys bike when test riding, before handing over cssh.
I have owned 2 Gixxers (K2 & K8) but cut your losses & use the 05 Repsol Blade. Good enough for Nicky Hayden, good enough for a Thick Jason Stathom!!! LMAO
100% for Fagan on the Respol! 👍👍 I will myself pay for it if that's what it takes! I bought a Ducati 999R Fila replica 1 of 3 and spent a fortune on it and a busy of mine in 2006 had that exact 2005 Repsol that had put a minor amount of funds into his repsol being a full system (Akra) and race filter ecu flash and it was nearly where my $30,000+ US bike was on the track!
Edit is looks like the k5 is back on,..praying it's jsut healthy and safe for u both! Do what's safe NOT what the fans want! The TRUE fans will be at ur side reguardless of time of bikes! U could get a Yamaha Seca II and I'd still be here! U need a donation page where people can jsut donate to the build! I don't need merch perse how does one just donate to the built series?
Best to James... hope he gets better!! Find another K5/6 and swap parts. Kinda 2 into ???? Stay safe guys... Merry Christmas!!