New Orchestral Template: Loading Instruments (Order, Configurations, Negative Delays, Triggering)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 มิ.ย. 2023
- Hello everyone! Welcome back to the large orchestral template series. This series is specifically designed to increase writing speed, versatility, clarity, and tweakability. In this episode we'll begin the arduous task of loading instruments. Some of the topics I'll cover include creating a new template file, deciding on instruments used, setting up the instrument order, taking inventories, choosing libraries, single vs. multi articulations, instrument latencies, negative track delays, articulation triggering methods (velocity/keyswitches/MIDI channels/program change messages/CC messages/expression maps/color), installing and using scripts, defining a consistent articulation order, loading instruments, track vs. rack configuration, the advantages and disadvantages of each configuration method, and a bonus tip! I hope you enjoy it!
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This believe me is the mother of all template videos. This is absolutely top notch quality...in line with any of the paid courses and even better. Haven't found anyone sharing the kontakt scripts for multis...too good
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I am going through all of them!! Really knew about negative track delays which so less of the other bigger youtubers speak of when telling "my massive orchestral template"..... This..Your video must be the first watch for anyone interested in orchestral mockups using sample library!! ❤❤❤
@@heart_healer Wow! Thank you so much for your support, I really appreciate it. Best to you my friend
"I hope these template videos have been useful to you." Understatement of the year! A lot of this I was completely unaware of. Thank you so much for doing this. FWIW, I do prefer your own voice to the AI, mostly because in the previous videos I'd become accustomed to it
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As a newbie to VIs your video was brilliant! Answered all the questions which I haven't been able to find answers to! Thanks much!
You are very welcome Bob! Glad to have helped. And if you find my other videos helpful I do hope you'll consider subscribing. Best to you my friend and Happy Holidays! 😊
Nicely done buddy! Very thorough.
Hey PoundSound! Thank you very much! Good to see you over here 😁
Thank you a million times and to the maker of the script also!!
You are very welcome! And if you like the rest of the videos I hope you'll watch them. I'm trying to monetize this channel with ads but I'm woefully short in hours
Great job! I haven't messed with Cubase in some time, but I remember having timing issuses. Your video really connected the bits I figured out or learned watching videos. Really nice pace and organized. Thank you.
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Great video, full of useful info. Thanks!
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8:15 shifting ahead of beat
10:29 negative track delays (offsets for different articulation)
13:05 independent articulation per track
13:53 triggering choices
14:17 velocity triggering
15:15 problem with key switching on same midi track
16:40 lots of midi tacks for each articulation and effect (cons)
16:55 changing midi channels via key switch solution (ks router)
19:42 minus delay plugin
I'm still going through this but ran into confusion around the channel changes. I am not sure how to trigger the changes. I get how to set up the plug-in. I have the outputs routed correctly and I do understand how each of them have their own effects. But I just do not understand the triggering. Am I supposed to use a midi device other than a keyboard to trigger these changes?
@@AcousticBruce Sorry, just saw this. Are you talking about Program Change messages? Or changing MIDI channels?
@@sonicconceptsmedia3892 probably both because I have no idea what either of them are. One thing I do know though is in contact. Sometimes the libraries have special keys that might be start on a low C, d and e key and this would change the articulation of the instruments. Is that what you mean by a key change or are there other ways?
I feel like you documented my own journey. I discovered VDC on ViC a few months ago and have committed to it as the best solution available. My setup is a little different as I use VEPro. I use two instances of VDC listening to two different midi channels, using articulation maps with shorts set to one channel and longs to the other. I don’t typically EQ articulations individually so I only have two audio outs for each instrument - shorts and longs so that I can use different reverbs.
This video could potentially save someone months of experimentation to arrive at this solution. Thanks!
So glad you liked it! Thanks for watching! 😁
I feel the same. Gosh if I had found it sooner!
I've been messing and doing so plenty of research this last months, along with trying most of this alternatives you're showing here, but on Studio One. I just wish I had crossed your video earlier lol. Little tip, I movede EVERY KS to C-2, including the low instruments, and mapped everything to a separate MIDI controller (in my case Nanokontrol studio with 32 spare buttons, but any one could do trick) and now working towards the completion of the table as you did (it's insane we were doing the same steps all this time) and also creating S1 macros that work with the same buttons as the KS but on a different scene of the MIDI controller, that work for automatically assigning that articulation to selected notes.
Only thing I have holding me back and want to ask. VDC stops my KS from working correctly, they only "come through" if I bypass it. Sound Variations (S1 term for Expression Maps) work perfect on play but not on idle when VDC is active. Do you have that same issue?
Glad you liked the video. I have not found the same issues you are having so I cannot help you in this regard. I know there's a new version of the VDC so perhaps that version will solve your problem? Hope so...at any rate, thanks for watching and if you find videos like this useful I hope you will consider subscribing if you haven't already. Best to you 🙂
This is great. Listening to AI is murder on the ears and hurts the soul a little. But what I have found to make it a little better is to use an Australian or English accent. It’s a bit endearing and I’ve found it to cover up the robotic spacing between words.
Glad you enjoyed it! And thanks for the tip on accents
AI narration is fine. Especially if it saves you time. This level of research is above and beyond any other template tutorials and indeed above my personal capabilities. Looks like a major commitment to make these so by all means save yourself some time and keep making these. You should get a PhD for these. 😂
Thank you very much! 😁
However, there are various environments where this example cannot be applied, so it may still be best to create a separate track per articulation.
Interesting. Perhaps you might explain a scenario where this might be true and I can explain how I might solve it using this template?
Hey, amazing vdo...I was wondering if its possible at all for you to share the downloadable link for Variable Delay Compensator (VDC)...for some reason I could not download it, and contacting them doesn't work and I cant create an account either so would it be possible if you could help me out....really need this right now as it will really save me so much time
Unfortunately that is the only link I have
I am curious to know how do you balance different publisher libraries together? :)
That will be on the next video 😉
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@@sonicconceptsmedia3892 when you will release that video? 🙏
@@MikaelRatilainen Not sure about that yet, very busy
Thanks for all the info…most appreciated
(you asked, so I’ll cast my vote….1 thumbs down here on the Ai voice)
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Great video I must confess. I just need a favour from you. Can you explain this in Studio one?
Thank you! Unfortunately I am not familiar with Studio One
@@sonicconceptsmedia3892 In Srudio One it's basically the same.
Lost after 30:00 can someone please Direct told me which one to do for better .......as i am started composing orchestration music
Your workflow is a personal choice (as it is for all composers). Choose the workflow that works for you. As far as me and this video, I am just documenting my own personal journey and the reasons I have picked one workflow over another. But please, find something that works for you! If my preferences are different than yours, that's okay 😊
@@sonicconceptsmedia3892 thankyou sir.... please keep educating us more
Noob here. What is the purpose of six horns halves, quarters, eighths and so on? Isnt that just a duration held of a key?
These are the note duration articulations offered by the Cinebrass sample library (specific to that library) 😉
@@sonicconceptsmedia3892 that helps. Thank you for that.
@@AcousticBruce You are very welcome! I hope you will consider subscribing if you haven't already. All the best to you
So whatever technology is applied it still isn’t working the way it would if you jest move the notes or score in Dorico to begin with.
Not sure what you mean. Using the VDC allows you to set different delays for different articulations; for example, short notes like staccatos have an almost immediate response with very little delay while legato patches have legato scripting which has much more delay 👍
@@sonicconceptsmedia3892 This seems al lot of calculating and guessing. When I just move the noes in Cubase to align them by ear and apply some negative delay manually, that works fine, and when I import the midi into Dorico I can quantize on import all the notes end up in the right place and everything sounds wonderful. As far as I can tell all the automation workflows you presented, they all have flaws and music making is something you by ear and hands and a human touch and slight discrepancies ad to the humanity of the piece I think. But maybe I just don't understand, although I am a software developer 🙂
@@homeofcreation it's all about setting it once and forgetting it so you can focus on music only. You can also convert midi to audio so you can visually see where the main part of the notes start in relation to the grid
@@homeofcreation Like you said, manually moving around notes and the various articulations to make them sound correctly is certainly a pragmatic and direct approach. Yes it's tedious, but then again, you didn't have to spend 20 years learning to play a French horn. But, beyond that, you have to wonder why the big sample library companies don't create their samples so they'll play on time and automatically fix other inconsistencies up front in the first place before releasing them? It's like they're selling a product that's going to need to be repaired before it's usable.
Do not like the AI Narative - Great video though! ;)
Thank you
Love your info, hate the AI voice.
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If you're open to some constructive criticism, I believe you're approaching this with a somewhat disconnected mentality and thinking more like a scripter/programmer than you are a musician/composer.
Music isn't mathematical (in the traditional sense), nor is it supposed to be something you think about like a program,
Music is felt, lived, and breathed, even if you're creating it in a digital environment. All this talk of latency and scripting to compensate is creating unnecessary work for you and everyone else watching this video.
Think like a performer.
Case in point, at around 10:00 when you're talking about the legato phrases you demonstrate the "problem" by pushing the ends of the notes to overlap with one another. You've got it backwards. The BEGINNINGS of the notes should be pulled forward to compensate for the latency. Not the other way around. No scripting required.
When playing Legato a real performer doesn't think "on the beat." They think ahead of the beat because they know how the instrument responds to either their breath (in the case of brass/winds) or the bow (in the case of strings). They will begin their note slightly EARLY so the buildup makes the full sound hit right on the beat and in time.
You demonstrate after the legato section that the staccatos were affected and early when the legatos were finally on time. And that's exactly why nobody should rely on scripting or trying to strong arm the libraries and articulations at their disposal.
Think like a performer. Become familiar with the instruments and how they respond to various techniques and get comfortable with actually PLAYING in what you want to hear instead of trying to create and drag MIDI notes until you THINK it sounds right. What you think sounds right may be the furthest from realistic, and you won't know until you try it for yourself.
Best of luck, composers!
Thank you for the response, I appreciate it. I have been a performer for 40 years and I agree with you, a performer has to start a phrase early to play on the beat - especially me, as a bassist I need to play earlier for the cavity of the bass to have a chance to resonate and produce a sound, especially with the longer waveforms that low frequency notes produce. That being said, the VDC manipulates the inherent delay that all DAWs have to perform the note earlier than the beat to have the main part of the beat sound on the beat (rather than the inherent delay legato scripting has). And you also have to keep in mind that all notes in a library have human decisions regarding where to edit a note, the performer may have different ramp up times for different notes, and the timings vary not only within one library but between different libraries (important if you are layering or mixing articulations). So there's an awful lot of humanism already built in. Then, after you have everything on the beat, etc., and you still feel it's too rigid, you can always use the randomize feature in Cubase (to be covered later). But that's just my take on it, I certainly understand people wanting to do things a different way. I'm just personally trying to speed up my writing process so I can spend more time composing and less time moving notes around, especially with the turn around times I often get. I appreciate the comments and look forward to hearing from you more, best to you my friend 😊
Please NO to AI narration.
Thanks for the warning, I'll be skipping this video then.
Lol. It's not that bad. However, this is the first video from this creator I have heard, so I have no personality reference and voice to compare to.