The Ditchley Portrait: Appeasing Elizabeth I?
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Today we’re exploring the Ditchley portrait, its symbols and the possible motivations that led to it being commissioned…
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Images (from Wikimedia Commons, unless otherwise stated):
Queen Elizabeth I ('The Ditchley portrait') by Marcus Gheeraerts the Younger (c.1592). Held by the National Portrait Gallery.
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Portrait of William Paget, 1st Baron Paget by an unknown Flemish artist (1549). Held by the National Portrait Gallery.
Portrait of Sir Henry Lee by Anthonis Mor (Antonio Moro) (1568). Held by the National Portrait Gallery.
Portrait of Anne Vavasour attributed to John de Critz (c.1605). Held in the collection of the Armourers and Brasiers of the City of London.
Portrait of Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford after an unknown artist (17th century, based on a work of 1575). Held by the National Portrait Gallery.
Portrait of Anne of Denmark by John de Critz (c.1605). Held by the Royal Museums Greenwich.
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Quoted texts:
James R Jewitt, “‘Eliza Fortuna’: Reconsidering the Ditchley Portrait of Elizabeth I.” The Burlington Magazine 156, no. 1334 (2014): 293-98. www.jstor.org/s....
Ewan Fernie, "Lee, Sir Henry (1533-1611), queen's champion." Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. 04. Oxford University Press. www-oxforddnb-...
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Other relevant entries from The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography Online.
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Hello, I wanted so much to express to you how much your work means to me. I'm 58yrs old. I grew up a 'nerdy' schoolgirl in California, reading history books in the library. I devoured anything Tudor. As an artist, I was constantly drawing, painting and even sewing period tudor costumes. I didn't get a smart phone until 2 years ago and found your channel. Imagine my joy! I've been thrilled, educated and thoroughly entertained ever since. Please accept my gratitude at all your hard work and talent for providing your work. Well done you, and cheers!
You should lookup your local Society for Creative Anachronism in your area. This will give you a reason to wearing Tudor clothing you’ve. It would also be a number of likeminded “nerds”. California if you’re still there is the birthplace of the S.C.A.
I doubt that Anne was at Sir Henry’s side during the Ditchley visit, and I would not be surprised if it had been communicated to Lee beforehand that while the Queen was prepared to tolerate *him*, she would not countenance *her*. Remember that she was already a notorious woman before meeting Lee-and had already “done time”! I think Elizabeth loathed the idea that her court might be perceived as a stew, a place for bed hopping-although she had to understand that necessarily functioned as a marriage market.
I agree. I also think your assessment of Elizabeth’s concerns and begrudging allowances is spot on too. Thank you 😊
The entanglements of the ladies and gentlemen of the court are always fascinating to me. The things they thought they could get away with right under their monarchs' noses!
My personal interpretation of the Latin on this portrait would be something like this: (We) asked, though we did not expect (her forgiveness), For she could, but did not get revenge, (The painted over part on the left lower corner most likely said something about kindness or forgiveness, For she knows that the more she gives the more she has (forgiveness, kindness, loyalty, etc).
Yes, it would make much more sense for the lower left hand corner to have Latin on it too, it was probably thoughtlessly painted over by a restorer sometime in the last 500 years, which so sadly happens with great regularity. It's possible that a very superstitious painter intentionally covered up text that appears on the "left hand side" as well (even though they didn't paint over the top left, so no idea). As far as groveling goes this portrait is top notch, it is very beautiful.
Ooh, I hadn’t considered a conservator removing something on the left. That’s interesting. I also like your interpretation of the Latin. Thank you 😊
I wonder if modern scientific techniques might reveal what was lost without disturbing the painting itself?
Fascinating as always. I suspect that he was asking for forgiveness, rather than celebrating Elizabeth’s forgiveness. Though the fact that she was willing to visit sounds like she was in a forgiving mood.
This was a lovely video. The portrait was interesting, but Anne was a hit for me. My writer brain was awakened by the web her life was. Thank you.
Especially as she doesn’t appear to be a natural beauty from the portrait to have captured so many hearts
Very fascinating video. Elizabeth I standing on a map in the painting. Her gowns were exquisite
I'm so impressed by your ability to find these fascinating old stories! THey rival anything in the tabloids today! Thanks so much for your research!
I have always been intrigued by hands in portraits. The position of fingers, especially for women seem to express something on their own. Fascinating discussion in this video, thank you.
Another great video - I had just seen this portrait at the MET - Tudor Exhibit - which was stunning!! I wished I had the information presented here before I saw the work. It certainly struck me as a wonderful piece of propaganda - in addition to your thoughts on the other aspects conveyed. Would love more presentations of Tudor art and how they influence thought in the era. Thanks!
This is very interesting, thank you for the video. I am surprised that she was willing to have such a public life conducting herself this way. In a French court no one would even look twice, but these behaviors for a woman at court are truly scandalous in England. She must have been well liked by the queen and others to ignore her behaviors.
As alway it was a delight to listen to you. As a fellow historian I appreciate the effort and research you put into all your videos. Thank you so much!
My vote is that Sir Henry was still in the process of begging for forgiveness, rather than celebrating any tentative permissions. I find it odd that Anne's pregnancy by Edward De Vere wasn't "discovered" until after their son was born in the Maidens' Chamber. Her portrait indicates a slender woman. There must have been some sort of collective agreement amongst the women of the Court to keep Anne's pregnancy hidden from the Queen... ? Many tangled webs were woven, to be sure. Thanks for another fascinating video! 😊
I would imagine that it depends on how the woman carries the baby. I have seen small slim woman carry with amazingly little “belly” showing, due to small infants and much less amniotic fluid. If she was one of these she could easily have pulled this off underneath the garb of the time. If she required help to dress, perhaps she only needed a few to keep her secret.
My thought was if she was tall or had a long torso then she may not have shown until she was 8 or 9 months and then she would have needed the help but not as much if it was otherwise. Just a thought.
Your description of jousting is sarcastic and hilarious, I love your videos!
Anne Vavasour really does stand out as one of those very fun, dramatic figures in history that you’d think had been an invention if she was in a piece of historical fiction.
An invention that was unrealistic no less! Because if I’d read about a character in a novel doing what she got away with I’d have been sceptical! Lol
This is a superior presentation which demonstrates ‘cause and effect’ historical interpretation from the point of genealogical relationships. It solves a long standing genealogical question regarding an ambiguity ties to my Lee family of Virginia and a 6 generation ( all living into their 90’s ) of grandmothers where the last broke the naming tradition in 1900 by naming him Harry, “As there are just to many Henry’s’ to now keep track of!” And yes, the need of forgiveness seems an appropriate theme. Here in the USA we continue to honor the Lee family motto ‘ Be mindful of the future ‘ I now hav a better understanding of the roots and reasons from which it was adapted. Thank You Sir Anthony Lee : Henry continues to be a name that has served this branch of the family honorably.
Robert E. Lee had more than his share of rascals in his background. His own father Lighthorse Harry Lee was somewhat reckless. To live done his family's association with scandal, Robert E. Lee was determined to behave as gentlemanly and honorably as possible.
I vote that she kept out of Elizabeth’s way. I would!
If Elizabeth even visited Sir Henry's Home, she was indicating her toleration of the Vavasour/ Lee relationship. Lee probably got forgiven because Elizabeth was not attracted to him. She became jealous in proportion to the attractiveness of her courtier.
I love videos about women in history. Thank you for this. Anne must have had that “certain something” to make her so sought after by men, whom she managed quite well, all things considered. I also noted the portrait of Elizabeth I appeared to show her having wings. Great P.R.! Have a nice weekend. See you next week. ❤
I loooove your portrait readings! So happy to see this one!
I’m still at the beginning of this video so perhaps you mention it, but this is currently being exhibited at the Metropolitan Museum of Art as part of an excellent exhibit on The Tudors in NYC! Thought I would share for viewers who are stateside!
This exhibit is coming to the Cleveland Museum of Art next month. I can't wait! ~ Anastacia in Cleveland
Yes, went to the Met with daughter and noticed the Tudor Exhibit and went and saw that painting. Couldn't believe it was there, was very impressed.
Regardless of the motivation behind the portrait, I imagine Elizabeth would have been pleased to see it.
I swear i love her elaborate fashion in tnis portrait, its so elegant and pretty!
There is so much i like about your work.Your steady and measured pace of narration, your nuanced expression and subtle modulation, and your personal thoughts scattered throughout, all help me digest and enjoy your well-crafted writing. Thank you!
Fascinating story. The gown must have weighed a tonne.
Gratitude to you lovely lady 🇦🇺
The wheel farthingale (hoop) as well as the corset would have helped to distribute the weight to a tolerable level. Probably barely tolerable, but still... ~ Anastacia in Cleveland
I just saw the tudor portiats last month as it was on display in the met in nyc. It's amazing to see them in person and to see the actual size of the paintings
The exhibit is coming to the Cleveland Museum of Art next month. I can't wait! ~ Anastacia in Cleveland
I just watched a video by History Hit about Elizabeth's portraits. I am enjoying your in depth explanation. Thank you.
Thank you for another great video! I love Queen Elizabeth but gosh she was tempestuous.
Would love to hear about more obscure landed gentry ladies and religious figures.. Love this channel.
Listening to you is just so wonderful. After a busy work day you are just bliss for my brain when it’s trying to unwind
Having just read more about these folks, it appears that the Lee-Vavasour/Finch liaison was not necessarily disapproved by ERI. Also, Finch was a sea captain, so he might have been away a lot. I seem to remember a story in which a woman's sea captain husband disappeared for a time and was thought lost at sea. Thinking him dead, she remarried only to have him return! If I understand, Anne went to court a single girl, got involved with Edward de Vere, who was separated from his wife, had the child, was punished along with de Vere, and then was released. De Vere did not support the child initially but did give land and money to Anne. Anne then became Lee's mistress and married Finch sometime before 1590. From what I read, she married John Richardson sometime before 1618, the year she was charged with bigamy. By the time of the visit of the queen to Ditchley, Lee was 59. He died in 1611. So, I wonder, did she marry Richardson after Henry Lee died, between 1611 and 1618, thinking her husband was lost at sea? That makes the most sense to me, based on the dates and her likely devotion to Henry. I wonder what the motivation to marry Richardson was.
Shake my head. What a fortunate girl, indeed. I'm surprised she kept her head as well as she did.
Wow! Hi Kat . Thank you for sharing your personal experience with dyslexia. Your delivery of your video’s are always of a high quality. I admire your work . Regards South Australia.
Groovy Friday afternoon learning with Dr Kat . Thank you I missed out on a lot of education in some ways xxx
Always interesting to learn about the symbolism in the portraits. Thank you#
I have a love/notlove relationship with Elizabeth I. I admire her sheer survival, given the history of her mother, her relationship with her half sister, etc, etc, etc. Her decision to remain unmarried is understandable, baffling and vexing all at once. As much as she's known, she's unknowable. I love listening to the smallest stories of her, even when I gnash my teeth at them. Ah, Gloriana.
Please, PLEASE tell me why you would chose marriage?
@@debbylou5729 .... so she could create her own heir. England was lucky the succession wasn't a hot mess after E1 passed.
@@AthenaisC um, she didn’t live with the ridiculous ‘ideas’ that we have to pretend to believe. She knew she couldn’t create an ‘heir’. I’d have to accept the fact that she had a better handle on things than you do
@Debby Lou is my opinion and my opinion only. Moreover, if I'm going to discuss history, I'm going to do so politely. Have a wonderful day.
@@debbylou5729 - pray tell, how could she KNOW she couldn't produce an heir? You seem quite absurdly confident in this.
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Very interesting! Thank you for your honesty in sharing your dyslexia and your tricks for working through the challenges.
Wonderful video thanks so much. It's a beautiful portrait and I was delighted to learn the history behind it.
I love art history, the symbolism, and what caused the art to be created. Thank you once again for an entertaining and informative piece of history.
Love binge watching Dr. Kat!!
I had the joy and privilege of seeing this painting a few weeks ago at the Met in NYC. "The Tudors: Art and Majesty in Renaissance England" is going on to the Cleveland Museum of Art, which is wonderful in and of itself, from February 26 to May 14, then on to Fine Arts Museums of San Francisco from June 24 until September 24. GO SEE IT IF YOU CAN!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, I am definitely going to see it at the Cleveland Museum of Art. I can't wait! ~ Anastacia in Cleveland
Great video, yours are always a delight and I love listening to you. Thanks for all the meticulous research and effort you put into these presentations, it's lovely to see your channel grow from the low hundreds when I first found you. On and upwards Dr Kat!
Wonderful thought-provoking subject!
Your videos are always well-researched and beautifully presented. Thank you!
Another interesting “lesson” about Tudor times. Thanks for all the work you put into these videos. 🙂
Love your videos. I love your delivery, intonation and sense of humour. I've always enjoyed history, but you make it even more interesting. Thank you!
Great portrait and intriguing story! Thank you 🙏🏼 Dr. Kat.
The Ditchy Portrait has to be the most evocative of all of the portraits of Elizabeth. In his (awful to me) book, Shakespeare's Lost Kingdon, Charles Beauclerk, a descendant of Edward de Vere, claims that this portrait betrays the birth of the son of Elizabeth and the Earl of Oxford.
On the other hand, one of the serious Shakespeare scholars, offers that the portrait celebrates the advances in mapmaking which allowed Elizabeth to have a full picture of her lands.
Not often I manage to pop in on a live stream. I love your work!
Thanks so much. Never boring !!!
Fascinating, as always.
Hello and thanks for this video. I have always loved this painting. It was nice to have a discussion about the symbolism and social goings on around it.
I love these videos about portraits. This one has quite the backstory! 👍🏻❤😀
I think he was asking for forgiveness, by painting such a powerful portrait of Elizabeth. How could she fail to be impressed! Thank you for your interesting talk.
I’m unsure as to the motivation behind this commission so I’m gonna say that I think he really liked her outfit and was like « babes we need to get a pic of this dress »
Thank you so much. I had always wondered what the intention was behind this magnificent painting.
Thank you! That was so interesting.
A story I didn’t know! You always teach me cool things but with the Tudors it’s rarely completely new. How exciting! Flattery always got you places with Elizabeth and Henry seems to be doing a very good job of groveling here. Her hands. Her virgin goddess status. Her wealth. Her land. Her power. How saintlike she was in her mercy. All the buttons to push for an indulgent queen. Seems like Henry took some pages out of Robert Dudley’s book of “What to do when you majorly screw up in front of the Queen.” Thank you!!!
I always enjoy your videos. Just the right length to take in the interesting information you supply. 🤩
Absolutely fascinating! Thank you so much for sharing this with us all. Much love and appreciation from California.❤️🍀🌈🙏🏻😇❣️
Love all your videos, and how well you deliver them. Thank you!
This was fascinating. Thank you Dr. Kat.
Thank you so much - your keen observations and presentations always bring joy to my Fridays, even if I can't watch them until the following week. Job well done.
Continued thanks for another interesting episode, I do find it fascinating when a piece of art is explained & interpreted within the context of its time, also I’ve used your discount code to subscribe to history hit tv - whilst there is lots of interesting content your programmes are just as well researched, varied and professionally delivered in my opinion. Happy subscriber x
Fascinating tale. Thank you as always
This has been a web of circumstances I've been Sherlock Holms-ing for years. Thank you Dr. Kat from THIS Kat, for a new means of approaching this tangled tale.
Thank you so much for feeding my immense thirst for historical knowledge. ❤
Thank you Dr Kat! Always a pleasure 💜 🌞
Thank you for your research and sharing your knowledge with us. You have become part of my morning routine that I very much look forward to.
Always enjoy your podcasts so very interesting. Many thanks
Another great video Dr. K! I feel like I am transported back in time into some royal court, or battle, or other ancient event every time I listen to you!
Always fun to listen too. Thanks 😊
This is one of my favorite Elizabethan romances!
Fascinating! I love your videos. You make history interesting and relatable. ♥ Thank you so much.
Very interesting story. Anne was quite a character.
I always learn something new when I watch you. Thank you.
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As someone who's been fascinated with the Tudor dynasty since middle school, I still always learn something watching your videos. Thank you
It looks tight, itchy and gorgeous!🌹🍃
I loved this video.
Hello again, I hope you're having a wonderful day dr
Well, Anne certainly lived an interesting life. A long one too - 90 years. I would love to know about her living arrangements after the bigamy trial. Did she live with John Richardson or John Finch or neither? After all she had another 32 years left to live and I don't imagine she spent them alone. Does she have any descendants?
Another great video Dr Kat!!!
Thank you for another fascinating video❤
The portrait is beautiful
I always learn something new and interesting from your videos!
Wonderful topic.
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Another most excellent video!!!
Thank you so much. Very interesting.
Thank you for this interesting story
Dr Kat, I love your thought provoking content! Keep it up, ma'am!
So interesting! I would love to hear more about art and artists
Thank you so much for pointing out all the details in the portrait and their meaning. I learned so much.
Reading a novel by Gervasse Phinn I had to Google to find out abot the Feoffees. Founded in the reign of Henry V11 and still going strong.
More the subject of a book than a video from you, but a side-light into his reign and amazing how it has survived. I'm English, a history fan & 88 but never heard of them before!
How does one pronounce "Feoffees"?
Well done 🙂
Another great video as always! 😊
Thanks for sharing this mystery.
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I very much enjoyed this, as I live in Aylesbury and act as Sacristan/Verger at St Mary's here where Lady Elizabeth Lee's alabaster funerary monument is placed. Sadly we lost the two near life size effigies of their sons, Harry and John, both depicted as babies, one perhaps still-born, during the period after the first lock-down. Lady Elizabeth is depicted kneeling in piety, accompanied by her daughter (d.1583) also kneeling, who died some years before Elizabeth was buried here.
Sorry for the background, but that is how I became interested in the subject.
You may deliberately have missed out one key part of the story. In his 'Brief Lives', unpublished at the time of his death, John Aubrey, although writing perhaps half a century later, states, "Old Sir Harry Lee Knight of the Garter [1597, seven years after his retirement as Queen's champion], and was supposed brother of Queen Elizabeth. He ordered that all his family should be christened Harry's." Why not Anthony after his own father?
Sir Harry's acknowledged father was Anthony Lee, of Quarrendon, and his mother Margaret Wyatt, daughter of Henry Wyatt one of King Henry's Privy Council. Margaret had been a lady -in-waiting to Anne Boleyn, one of whose father's many great manors lay in Aylesbury, in a square nearby to St Mary's now known as Kingsbury (since being confiscated by King Henry, along with much of the Boleyn family's fabulous landholding after the execution of that unfortunate lady). It is not inconceivable that Henry grew close to Margaret as a way to get in with Anne (and her family's fortune) and as she held out against his wooing. Margaret remained with Anne to the end, even accompanying her to the scaffold.
So the name Henry could also logically have come from Margaret's father, but it is convenient, no? That the young Harry was farmed out to her brother the poet Sir Thomas, might have been also have been convenient, as their not entirely comfortable marriage got started?
Sir Harry's survived in his Queen's good favour, and he remained her Master of the Royal Armories, and retained that post into the reign of James I, so perhaps being the Queen's brother ensured his survival? He certainly must have been good company to pull all this off, to host at a major visit by the Queen, to Ditchley, and supposedly refused a second, though King James did visit too. Certainly kindred spirits, they both knew the value of forgiveness, and the danger of casting stones in matters of legitimacy.
I did choose to leave out those rumours - principally because I think the algorithm is going through a phase of preferring to push out videos of under 30mins, but also haven’t come across anything to indicate that Elizabeth heard these rumours. Just as I don’t think she heard them about Elizabeth and Henry Carey. It’s possible they were her half siblings and she knew it in every case. Maybe she loved Henry Lee because of his mother’s connection to hers? Or simply because of the talent he had to offer. Maybe I could do a video on all the rumoured illegitimate Tudors though?
It's probably not true, but Aubrey was supposed to have spoken to people who knew and was only one generation removed. The friendship between their mothers must have counted for a lot, and Margaret would not exactly have been betraying her friend, who could refuse a King? Either way I think I would have liked to have met Sir Harry, he must have been great company.
@@ReadingthePast Definitely do those, many of them. This one was fascinating. I'm going to see what else I can find about all of the characters, maybe write a song about Mr. Finch!