Margaret Tudor: The Forgotten Matriarch of the Monarchy
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- As requested and promised, we’re exploring the life of Margaret Tudor today - we’re going to explore her successes and failures, her betrayals and triumphs - she is, arguably, the matriarch of the monarchy!
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Images (from Wikimedia Commons, unless otherwise stated):
Portrait of the Royal Tudors (The Family of Henry VII with St George and the Dragon) by an unknown artist. At left, Henry VII, with Prince Arthur behind him, then Prince Henry (later Henry VIII), and Prince Edmund, who did not survive early childhood. To the right is Elizabeth of York, with Princess Margaret, then Princess Elizabeth who didn't survive childhood, Princess Mary, and Princess Katherine, who died shortly after her birth (between circa 1503 and circa 1509). Held by the Royal Collection, on display at Hampton Court Palace.
“The Princes in the Tower” by John Everett Millais (1878). Held by the Royal Holloway collection.
Portrait of Arthur, Prince of Wales by an unknown artist of the British School (c.1500). Held by the Royal Collection, displayed at Hampton Court.
Portrait of Elizabeth of York by an unknown artist (late 16th century). Held by the National Portrait Gallery.
Detail from a painted genealogy showing James I's Tudor ancestry by an unknown artist (1603). From Jane Dunn’s “Elizabeth and Mary: Cousins, Rivals, Queens” 2003 Vintage Books Edition.
Portrait of Margaret Tudor, Queen of Scotland, by Daniel Mytens (c.1620-38). Held by the Royal Collection.
Portrait of James IV of Scots by an unknown artist (17th century). Held by the National Galleries.
Portrait of King Henry VII by an unknown Netherlandish artist (1505). Held by the National Portrait Gallery.
Portrait of Henry VIII of England attributed to Meynnart Wewyck (c.1509). Held by the Denver Art Museum.
Portrait of Archibald Douglas, 6th Earl of Angus by an unknown artist (c.1500-1599). Held by the Royal Collection at Holyrood Palace.
Double portrait of Princess Mary Tudor and Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk, attributed to Jan Gossaert (c. 1515-1516). Held at Woburn Abbey.
Drawing of John Stuart, Duke of Albany from the workshop of François Clouet (c.1533). Held by the Condé Museum.
Portrait of a Lady believed to be Margaret Douglas by William Scrots (c.1546). Held in an unidentified private collection.
Detail from the portrait of Henry VIII after Hans Holbein (c.1540-1547). Held by the Walker Art Gallery.
Portrait of James V of Scots by an unknown artist (after 1575). Held and hosted by the National Galleries Scotland (www.nationalga...)
Portrait of James V of Scotland by Corneille de Lyon (c.1536). Held in an unknown private collection.
Portrait of Madeleine of Valois, Queen of Scotland by Corneille de Lyon (16th century). Held by the Musée des Beaux-Arts de Blois.
Double portrait of James V of Scots and Marie of Guise by an unknown artist (16th century). Held by Falkland Palace.
Painted genealogy showing James I's Tudor ancestry by an unknown artist (1603). From Jane Dunn’s “Elizabeth and Mary: Cousins, Rivals, Queens” 2003 Vintage Books Edition.
Photograph of HM Queen Elizabeth II greeting NASA employees at the Goddard Space Flight Centre, Maryland, May 2007 - NASA/Bill Ingalls.
Detail of Henry VIII on his death bed, indicating towards his son and heir, from “Edward VI and the Pope: An Allegory of the Reformation” by an unknown artist (1547-the 1570s). Held by the National Portrait Gallery, London.
Quoted texts:
Excerpt from the Act of Succession of 1544.
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I think that Margaret Tudor had the last laugh. As pointed out, it's one of her descendants sitting on the throne of the UK despite the circuitous route of history that put Her Majesty there. Oh yes, HER Majesty: take THAT Henry Tudor, you duplicitous old sod!
Amen!
Think the term that comes to mind is "Up Yours Henry!"
The Queen is also a descendant of Mary Boleyn too
Really disrespectful. Get out of here.
@@Patrick3183 Who and what exactly is supposed to disrespectful?
I think the petty reason Henry VIII didn’t like his sister Margaret is that she was old enough to boss him when he was a little boy. How dare she, a mere woman? He apparently loved his little sister, Mary, because he got to boss her. Such were the feelings that dictated his national politics and policy: childhood rivalries and squabbles. Henry VIII, the King who never grew up, mentally or emotionally.
He loved his sister Mary who could wrap Henry around her little finger. I think Henry and Margaret shared similar qualities so never got on. Also Henry hated the Scots and probably saw his sister as one.
Henry VIIIs head injury didnt do his personality any favours.
Oddleah that had nothing to do with it. That occured well acter he threw his faithful wife to the wayside and abused his daughter
As my son said to his older sister, “You’re not the boss of me!”
@@margo3367 And my older granddaughter said to her younger brother. LOL
I could listen to this lady reading any of those giant books behind her cover to cover and never get bored.
I believe that Georgie Henley did a great job playing Margaret in “The Spanish Queen.” She gave her the personality that I imagined that she had.
Yes, I also saw the "Spanish Queen" and the story of Margaret was riveting, albeit sad and forlorn. Margaret did seem to love her 1st husband, the King James, despite the age difference.
I agree. I wanted to know so much more about her after watching that.
I first read about Margaret Tudor twenty two years ago. She and her daughter Margaret Douglas remain two of my favorite Tudor characters because they were so interesting and yet not as talked about as Henry VIII and his wives. I always felt Margaret was the female version of her brother Henry. His treatment of her was hypocritical but of course back in those days there was an accepted gender double-standard and Henry VIII was a man with an unbelievable ego. Moreover I think it was sad that he essentially abandoned his own sister.
I agree that Henry and Margaret were similar in personality, which made them butt heads.
Blimey, I didn't think Henry VIII couldn't be anymore of a prick, and yet...
Henry really was awful!! I could not agree more. He Was a nasty, conniving, cunning, loathsome, spiteful, terroristic, cruel, murderous, cantankerous, (I could go on all day) psychopathic Monster!! The more I learn about Henry, the more disdain I have for Him. Speaking of pricks.. perhaps, Henry was lacking in that department, and this contributed to His terrible moods :-)
Nobody cares what you think
Patrick3183 ding ding ding! You won the asshole of the day award.
@@TheOnlyElle. in other words he was a late medieval king, who was just one generation from a civil war, who in his life saw several revolts against his father, and faced several himself. Where his nobles, many his own cousins wanted him killed to replace him on the throne.
Also the simple fact he had few if any children. Which makes his sisters important. There are thoughts he had a genetic condition that didn't mix right with his wives, Katherine was a distant cousin. Also, Margret had the same condition it would seem. As they both also gain a lot of weight and showed signs of Type 2 Diabetes.
He also had several tendencies of a brat, being a younger son who was fawned upon.
You can see Queen Elizabeth of York's parenting style in her three children that survived to adulthood. All three seemed headstrong and wanted what they wanted.
I would also suggest never look with modern eyes, as standards change, and we don't know what society was truly like. What a Monster to us today might be a soft hand back then.
@@ThumperE23 Still don't have any sympathy for him. He treated those he claimed to love like garbage. He even killed those he loved in cold blood. But, some just over looked all of the murder he committed because he was king.
Yesss! Finally. She is, after all the one whos descendant is sitting on the throne. I agree, her life is interesting enough for a TV series. There is enough material for a few seasons. Any producer watching?
Margaret is portrayed in The Spanish Princess, badly. Although the show is supposed to be a drama.. it's more like a comedy..a bad comedy at that haha!
Margaret always gets overshadowed by Henry and his wives who have been done to death in books and onscreen adaptions
@@Shane-Flanagan : surely starz or hbo , philipa gregory should do a series about the first stuart kings...robert III in 1473,
he is almost unkown, as most think stuarts started in 1603....
also being that the scottish crown jewels, are not in the tower of london, but edinburgh castle...
@@jardon8636 Yes they started rule in England in 1603 but some forget their prior Historical rule in Scotland
That would be lovely!
For a moment, I thought this video was about Margaret Beaufort, the true matriarch of the Tudors.
So glad Dr Kat has done a worthy video on Margaret Tudor Queen of Scots. As expected, it was very well done and very fair.
As Dr Kat says, Margaret's turbulent life would make a good TV series or film all on it's own. Like her sister Mary, Margaret gets overshadowed by Henry and his wives who have been done to death in books and onscreen. Margaret deserves some spotlight. I feel nothing but sympathy for Margaret. She unfortunately has been remembered in negative terms throughout history and unfairly has gotten a bad rep. Her life was dotted with many roadblocks, failures and low points but Margaret shouldered on nonetheless. Not surprisingly, Henry was a less than supportive brother. He and his son Edward may have overlooked Margaret's line in the Succession but Margaret got the last laugh in the end. Her line saw a new house rule in England, the Stuarts, whose descendent Elizabeth II still sits on the throne today as England's longest reigning monarch. Henry must have turned in his grave with this fact and also with the fact that the current Queen is also of Boleyn descent.
If it's true that Mary Boleyn's two Carey children are Henry the 8ths then his descendants are on the throne now too! I wish they'd do a DNA test from his bones to find out! Also the princes in the tower to find out if those are the dead princes there! I read a historical fictional novel about Margaret Tudor years ago and loved it! Felt really bad for her unlike her granddaughter Mary Stuart who I don't feel bad for because she was plotting against Elizabeth I.
@@dineyashworth8578 Well the current Royal family are related to Henry through his sister Margaret
@@dineyashworth8578 Very unlikely that both of Mary Boleyns children could be fathered by Henry. One maybe but not both.
We don't know the timeframe of when Mary was Henry's mistress and we don't know how long the relationship lasted so it doesn't add up to a strong possibility that Henry fathered any of the Carey children
Thank you for bringing us Margaret's story. It is reinforcing my current position on marriage - that I never do it again ;-)
Kat The Scribe Right there with you! Never again! 😆❤️🌹
I was thinking the same thing!! It has and always will subjugate women. Marriage is a governmental institution. I don’t need the government in my relationships.
Not that you aren't entitled to that opinion, but a 500 year old example is an appeal to antiquity and bad logic. Stick with citing present situations and examples when defending that stance.
I'm sorry that you never found anyone who was worthy of your love and respect. When that happens, marriage is one of the most wonderful institutions humanity has ever created.
I've arrived earlier than Henry III's excuses!
pardon
King Henry caused so many problems for those around him.
That was the one thing Henry excelled at.. creating problems for others!
I'm an American obsessed with European history right now after watching The Tudors and Versailles and wanting to know how accurate it was. You are by far my favorite TH-camr for this subject!
I've said this before but your intro "hi and you are very welcome" always makes me giggle because sadly I typically only hear that phrase sarcastically here. 😅
Thank your sharing your great knowledge!! ❤
I really enjoyed Versailles, but couldn't stomach The Tudors.
I love both of them too 😀 if you enjoy that time period then you should also check out the tv series ‘reign’ it’s about Mary queen of Scots early life through to her execution. It’s Just a suggestion but you might enjoy that programme too 🙂 x
And I would also suggest ‘the white queen’, ‘the white princess’, and ‘the Spanish princess’. They cover the time periods from the war of the roses to Henry the eighth marriage to Catherine of Aragon. All 3 series are absolutely brilliant, I’m sure you would enjoy them. I live in the uk and I watch them on amazon prime. So if you have amazon prime I highly recommend these 3 series. Enjoy squirrel girl 😀 xx
@@jessrosefawkes2721 wow thank you so much for those suggestions!!! I actually just started reign!!! I do have Amazon so I will have to check those out!
Thank you so so much! 🥰
@@adunreathcooper I've watches Versailles 3 times through, I started with the Tudors and honestly didn't really know anything about that time period to start.
Why couldn't you stomach it? Genuine question, no hate or anything just curious why?
LOL When Dr. Kat says, "Well, there you go" about Henry's disloyalty.... Her comedic timing: I'm here for it.
Margaret Tudor is my spirit animal. It's so hard to find info on her.
Absolutely brilliant as always, Dr Kat
When will Margaret Tudor’s bloodline run out of legitimate heirs? 👗👠👑💍🇬🇧
Poor Margaret Tudor! She suffered because of the men around her.
So many low points in her life. Very sad. Margaret was strong though, she carried on after each setback and never gave up
It was the life of most women at the time and through history ….even today
Oh how I wish my mother was still here....she would have thoroughly enjoyed each and every youtube segment you have posted. My mother was a 'brazen passionate woman' who lived and breathed history, even returning to University (Stanford) in her later years to earn a degree in it. She rarely watched TV, considering it an erroneous 'distraction'. Always had her nose buried in a book, and unfortunately always underlining in red pen and making notes in the margin whether they were her books or not ! She was banned for 2 years from the Stanford library when they backtracked the common denominator in these 'occurrences'.
Excellent job Dr Kat ! Love it.
Oddly, makes me feel like my mom is still here and I am listening to her talk about these same things - thank you so much.
I never tire of Tudor history, and Tudor history never runs out of interesting characters and plots. Dr. Kat, you do such a wonderful job. Thank you!!
Wow, I never heard about any of this before! What a fascinating woman, it’s a shame she’s rarely ever featured in TV or movies
She is just as interesting as Henry and his wives who have been done to death in onscreen depictions. Margaret deserves some spotlight
I think, it's because Margaret Tudor is stupid. She makes stupid decisions for herself and her children. I think people would get tired of watching her failed attempts.
Her sister, Mary did much better. She got her man Brandon.
Being a woman, in the Tudor time, was difficult. Only men ruled your life. So...it was important as a woman to keep your wits at all times.
@@Odanti Margaret did far more than Mary ever did. Margaret wasn't afraid to take risks regardless of the outcome and she shouldered on after each setback. Her life is incredibly interesting and certainly worthy of a film or TV series. Margaret wasn't stupid, some of her choices were questionable but there could be many reasons for them. She tried to survive in a man's world. Not easy. Mary was famous for who she was rather than what she did, which wasn't much.
Even though they do get some things wrong, The Spanish Princess does include a story arc about Margret Tudor.
@@kennashey No one is criticising or ignoring The Spanish Princess and the inclusion of Margaret Tudor. What we're saying is that Margaret doesn't get portrayed enough onscreen and who's life is so dramatic it could lead it's own series/film. Regardless of what I think about The Spanish Princess, I'm happy that they featured Margaret and her story in some capacity just the same way I like that they depict a young, intelligent, beautiful red haired Catherine of Aragon which makes a change from the usual depiction.
I have never been this early, and am so interested to learn about a lesser discussed Tudor!
She does such an awesome job.. I honestly don't know how she remembers so much of all their personal histories and puts together such detailed videos, but it's the most concise Tudor history Channel I've ever found. Anyway, if you haven't checked out all her videos there are so many on the lesser known royals! Cheers
@@MrAdryan1603 yes! Her channel is so lovely. I find the videos are so well thought out that they manage to be thorough and entertaining. :) I'm a big fan.
@@RelientK16 Right on, me too. You seem really nice. Cheers, have a great day!
@@MrAdryan1603 cheers, you too!
Ah a Tudor themed video again 😍 was just about to eat dinner and thought I‘d love to watch a video by Dr Kat while eating and here you are! Perfect timing!
*Please make a video about good, historically accurate books about the Tudors (non-fiction). I see so many of them in your shelf, you probably have a few good recommendations for us. Or if someome here in the comments can suggest one or two books I‘d be grateful, too.*
I second this request! I too, keep looking at the books on Dr. Kat's shelves :-)
I’m glad I’m not the only weirdo trying to read her book titles. 🤣
I'm no Dr. Kat, but these books are well-researched & refer to original sources, & some have been recommended to me by historians:
Young & Damned & Fair: The Life & Tragedy of Catherine Howard at the Court of Henry VIII, by Gareth Russell.
Prince Arthur: The Tudor King Who Never Was, by Sean Cunningham.
George Boleyn: Tudor Poet, Courtier & Diplomat, by Clare Cherry & Claire Ridgway (Claire Ridgway's also written books on Anne Boleyn & Tudor events day-by-day.)
Elizabeth's Spy Master: Francis Walsingham & the Secret War that Saved England, by Robert Hutchinson.
Then there are Antonia Fraser's classics, The 6 Wives of Henry VIII, & Mary Queen of Scots, but I've not read them in ages.
You asked for non-fiction, & I'd _never_ suggest fiction as a substitute! However, I've read a novel about Letttice Knollys (Mary Boleyn's granddaughter, & "rival" to her cousin Elizabeth I), which turned out to be _amazingly_ historically accurate- when I learnt more about Elizabeth's court from good sources, I immediately recognised the people & their stories, & realised I'd gotten loads of accurate Tudor history for free! The writing's not as good as Philippa Gregory's, but we know how accurate she isn't- pure invention is more like it!- whereas The Queen's Enemy by Victoria Holt won't leave you confused about what did & didn't happen- it'll leave you unable to forget people like Robert Dudley, & what they did, & make it very easy to learn about Elizabeth's court when you do read non-fiction.
@@beth7935 Thank you so much, that's really useful! 🌹
as usual you are a highlight of my week you are smart and i love your voice
I wonder how many of the enormous number of infant deaths were caused by crib death in the past. Doctors today still have to urge mothers never to put their babies to sleep face down. Of course, now-treatable, or -preventable, early childhood diseases must have played a part, too. It’s just terrible how low the survival to adulthood rate was.
Putting babies face down is a 1970s thing. It was an attempt to reduce crib death. Infant mortality until the 20th century was between 20 to 40%. Most of it due to disease, much of it due to unsanitary conditions of the cities, un treated water and raw milk. Also the incredible poverty where the pregnant women got very bad food. Add to this the 20% of the British population in the 1800 had syphilis and it is a wonder any child survived
I know that being "cool" is not something about which don't you necessarily care, but you are cool☺
I'd love a take on Perkin Warbeck. So many accepted him as the Duke of York it makes you wonder why?
I really enjoyed this video. You gave me a new perspective to Margaret's life and some of the things she experienced. I think we need to have more womens' perspectives on history ... well, more of their perspective on everything really!
From my understanding, Henry VIII forgave Mary Tudor but did not forgive Margaret Tudor. There's so much in his life that shows him as a spoiled little boy who always wanted his way; and if anyone breathed without asking his permission, they are in trouble.
I have a question: what was Scotland's relationship with England? They had, up until James Vi & I, their own monarch, but there are several times before that when England treats them like a younger sibling and simply tells them what to do. I have never understood it.
That's a very complex topic (still is even to this day). Basically centuries of fighting and dispute over land. English kings wanted more land and wanted Scotland to be under their control. At this point in time Scotland is recognised as a sovereign nation due to Robert the Bruce in 1314.
I've always thought it was a matter of pride for some kings. How could they make campaigns to control France etc when they couldn't control the entire island they lived on?
Thank you, I was waiting for Margaret Tudor's video. Life of a princess was no rose garden. About the will I wouldn't put it past Henri nor his counselors. Either way thank goodness for the dry stamp as it is quite possible in diminished circumstances to sign things from "trusted" people without knowing what is signed. a real last minute will. Thank you again.
I will always hum the theme tune from Dr Kat
Never tire of hearing it 💕
It's such a fun little ditty ;-)
It’s fun isn’t it. Just a happy, fun tune 🦘🦘🦘🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
Every time I hear it, I have to clap in time. Or else.
I never noticed before that Margaret's and Mary's 2nd marriages happened so close together; I wonder if Margaret's second marriage helped give Mary courage to make her own choice for her second marriage. Margaret must have felt so alone when her son was taken away & both her husband and brother betrayed her. I didn't think I could feel any more disgusted by Henry VIII, but I was wrong. I think you're right about Mary's actions in making nice with her brother - I think she realized that her power was limited, and she needed to look out for her son's future. Your suggestion about Henry's final will perhaps not being his will at all is pretty mind-boggling; it's the first time I've heard that idea.
Thank you for this. Very interesting and informative 🙂 I really enjoyed the portrayal of her in The Spanish Princess by Georgie Henley.
Thanks Dr Kat, I really enjoy your history lessons.
Gosh I love this channel! Have been binge watching and can’t get enough😀😀😀
Dr Kat , I just love your videos! I’m an American who loves English history. I get more from your videos than I ever did in my long ago history classes. Thank you so much!
This video is the best birthday present ever.
Happy birthday!
Happy birthday!
Happy birthday 🎈
@@kwells179 thank you!
Happy Birthday !! 🌻
King Henry’s sisters got a raw deal. But I’m glad that Tudor linage still lives on.
Thank you for your amazing videos!!!
And the Boleyn lineage too!
@@Shane-Flanagan absolutely 😁
Thank you for your videos! I always look forward to them.
Loved it, thank you. Henry sure liked everything his way, didn’t he? A case of ‘do as I say rather than do as I do’. Good on Margaret. She won in the end. Her Majesty does her many times great grandmother proud 🦘🦘🦘🦘🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
Excellent! I knew very little about Margaret's life prior to watching.
Dr. Kat, found you most recently. Wanted to thank you for all the work you put into your channel. Your content and delivery are both incredibly awesome. You feed my love of history and I do so appreciate it.
Love the video. Have spent some time reading and researching Margaret Tudor over the past few months. Henry VIII was a ball of contradictions and his alliances changed as the winds blew. It was clear (to me, anyway) that he clearly preferred his sister Mary and Margaret was "out of sight,, out of mind". Being that he was young when she went to Scotland he may not have felt the sibling connection to her that he did with Mary. However, in my studies I believe the Tudors, with little exception looked out for one another. James V as a male would have been Henry's heir for some time. I believe any changes in the will were done by "trusted" advisors to maintain their position and control with the young Edward. Seeing him to adulthood and securing the male line and their fortunes. Margaret, to my thinking, was very much a victim of the men who surrounded and ultimately controlled her.
Dr kat all your videos are absolutely amazing and your facts are as clear and are fantastic keep making great videos xxx
I never knew there was any question about Henry's wishes for the succession! The reasons for his wishes have been endlessly discussed- but the fact that it's possible they _weren't_ his wishes, due to the lack of signature, is fascinating! And if his will didn't fit his law, could it really be said to overrule Edward's device for the succession? It at least begs the question... Not that the people would've accepted Jane as queen anyway, but it would affect the interpretation of her status today.
I am honored and proud to descend from her through my grandmother Daisy.
From Margaret Tudor I have not only the bright honey-colored eyes that at the same time change iridescent and dusty to intense grey, the sharp gaze, the acumen, intelligence, resilience, determination, the courage, tenacity, wisdom , the modernity of intense and profound love for James defeated in the ruinous battle of Flodden Field.
Ancestor Marjorie teaches us that honor and prestige are more important than victory.
Margaret Tudor, Empress Matilda, Mary of Modena were not women defeated by history, but ancestors who teach me the value of honor and dignity more important than any throne.
Thank you so much for this educational video. I have always wondered how the royal family today relates back to this. And you made this very clear. Clearly Margaret had great troubles in her marriages end in her life. She also had times of great power. I think it was clearly difficult whether somebody was a man or a woman to employ power consistently. It’s also very clear that family has been most this year today did not exist at that time. I was always shocked that after Arthur died and Henry unceremoniously dumped his wife Catherine that her family didn’t take her back to Spain. It seems like back then nobody was really safe.
In this era many English and Scottish girls and boys landed in the French court. How would this be wrangled, through the diplomats? Would the French queen put out an 'ad' she needed Ladies in Waiting, as an example? Also, in the case of Anne Bolyne would her knowledge of the French court be a reason to include her in the English court? I'm not all that familiar with the Scottish court in this era, so didn't use them as examples.
I believe Ann was in the courts because her Father was a wealthy merchant (it was good for trade). Her Uncle, was the wealthy and powerful Duke Norfolk. Perhaps it was was for clout for her father and uncle that she was sent (I believe she was in Denmark for a short time, too. I know it was a lowland country in that area). Her sister went as well for a time. I think they wanted her to make a good marriage. We don’t know exactly why she didn’t, but there are theories (such as being a lover to the King of France. Her sister he dubbed “The English Mare” most likely was his lover). Ann was brought home at roughly 18-20 (as her exact age is not pinpointed. At least it wasn’t the last time I read about her in The Six Wives of Henry VIII by Allison Weir). Perhaps it is because she wasn’t married that they brought her home so they could make a marriage? Most wealthy/noble women were, at that age, often married (and mothers by 20). There has most always been links between France and Scotland (probably due to their mutual hated of England).
@@MountainPearls Thank you for the reply, but it doesn't cover the subject I am asking about: How did the wealthy man know the royals needed their children? What was the process to get one's children into the courts to serve the royals?
I'm guessing it's just part of tradition. Royal women would always require new ladies as they were married off in turn. Women often died in childbirth so wealthy men could go through multiple wives.
I watched a tv drama (obviously not the best source) but the father wrote to the court saying he had children he would like to present and offer into service.
Margret Tudor is my 14th great grandmother. I appreciate your knowledge about her.
I could not stop watching until the end. Very well done. Thanks for the pics too.
Why was Edward Seymour, Lord Beauchamp (Katherine Grey son) never seen as the heir to elizabeth?
As the marriage was eventually annulled, the children were rendered illegitimate and so excluded from any claim to the throne.
Please cover Lady Margaret Beaufort (Henry VIII's grandmother) next!!! :D
That would be great. Margaret was such a strong, formidable woman who often gets overlooked. When I saw the word matriarch in the video title, I momentarily thought this video was about Margaret, the true matriarch of the Tudors.
Yes! This would be amazing!
Thank you Dr. Kat it's always a pleasure! 🌺
And, once again Henry misused those around them including his sisters. He was a monster.
Henry VIII was indeed a monster!
Throughout his lifetime, Henry VIII resisted the authority of women and the possibility that they would occupy the throne of England, and yet after his death, that's exactly what happened...for generations!!!! Mary, Elizabeth, Victoria and Elizabeth II.
Margaret Tudor had the last laugh indeed.
Thank you, Dr. KAT. Love your video discussions and find these topics interesting. Thanks for sharing..😊
I'll echo some of the comments here, including Dr. Kat - I believe her story deserves a feature presentation in film or television! But I worry the industry would pervert it :( 😞
You are a wonderful teacher! So glad I found your channel 😊
I don't think Henry VIII saw the will before it was stamped as he was much to ill at the time. I'd love an in-depth analysis of the various councilors who served under Henry VIII and Edward VI, how each of them were aligned, what they had at stake during the reign and death of those two monarchs. The will of Edward VI fascinates me, and I'm interested in how those councilors may or may not have affected it.
You are the best. I am a crack addict for Tudor history especially and you are the best plug ever for it. ❤️
Lol wait until you see Claire Ridgeway
@@jrojala Love Claire 💕😍
@@jrojala Yeah... I'm hesitant to recommend another channel, but I do often want to recommend Claire (The Anne Boleyn Files)- Katherine Howard's a prime example. And Scotland History Tours for the Scottish side of Margaret & James IV's story. James didn't just "take the opportunity" to invade England: Henry forced him to choose between his treaties with England & France; & the latter obliged him to invade England if England invaded France. Henry knew this but invaded anyway- it was him disregarding his sister, as he continued to do, far more than James, who chose the Auld Alliance as it was 200yrs old. Mostly Henry's fault- what a surprise!
Margaret is a lesson in how difficult it was to find an honourable, faithful, reliable husband - especially if marriage to you brought him power. A lesson learned by Elizabeth I.
Hi Dr. Kat, first time commenter -- just want to say how much I love your videos. I'm a huge history buff myself, especially Tudor England so I very much appreciate your depth, knowledge, love, and inclusivity.
Just tripped over your channel, and quickly became lost in learning. Through my father’s pedigree, I am related to Margaret Tudor via her son James’ illegitimate son, the First Earl of Moray. So close to royalty, but so far! I’m also related to the First Earl of Derby, but that’s another story.
Poor Margaret, her brother always working against her even supporting Angus when she needed help to get rid of him . Seems that then women were not appreciated or value. I can only imagine how Margaret was feeling.
Dear Kat,
Thank you so much for your lovely videos. I find them too relaxing and also compelling to listen to in equal measure. I just wanted to let you know that I found a little mistake in this particular instalment about Margaret Tudor. I’m sure you’d have noticed it already. It’s on the 26.56 min, where you making a reference to Henry VIII’s Last Will & Testament of Dec 1546. You’re stating that it was issued instead in 1536. I’m sure it’s only a reading error. This of course can’t detract from the sterling work.
Once again thank you and respect.
AK
Incredible, as always. After an amazingly horrible week, I was able to turn away for a while.
Thank you , for another entertaining and fascinating video. The insight and detail is wonderful.
I remember reading Henry VIII autobiography (a very thick book) he expressed just how scared of Margaret he was. He mentioned that she had dark eyes that made him feel uncomfortable.
Probably their grandmother’s eyes, Lady Margaret Beaufort’s. That woman was formidable!
@@ellencook1658 I’ve never heard that he was afraid of Margaret & I don’t think Henry VIII wrote his own biography.
Are you sure you read an autobiography?
@@sisuguillam5109 It was a modern day printing, taken from his journals.
I think Dr. Kat touched on the superstition of dark features linked to a dark soul in early modern literature in one of her previous videos, so this comment rings believable - except I'm sure you mean biography.
Wow, as a descendant of the Tudors and Mary Queen of Scots I found this to be very interesting. I think Henry VIII might have started the will. However, I feel his inner circle did the rest.
This was a sad story of life for a woman of her time; it's facisnating that many of her direct descendants, 13 generations later (in my case) have wound up on the West Coast region of America! Thanks for the in depth look at Henry's sister ~
lovely video as always! i love the way you present history in an unbiased way and i always learn so much from your videos.
I love your videos so much 💗
Fascinating and erudite as always, love these videos, please keep them coming but don’t exhaust yourself Dr Kat 🌸
How wonderfully you answered the many queries I have pondered on over the years. Thankyou.
Entertaining historical fictions can be a right pain when artistic licence confuses me. Hummfff.
However hey presto! Here you are. You’ve been an entertaining teacher for me today. Excellent history lesson.
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By the way, why was it that after Elizabeth's the succession was in Margaret's line, since that Henry VIII's will seemed to have been observed (somewhat) until then? Did the Jane Grey episode disqualify Mary's descendants, or did they just decide that after all, primogeniture applied, will or not?
Essentially Elizabeth Ist slowly but surely undermined the the pretension's of Mary's descendants [ the younger sisters of Lady Jane Grey ] despite ministers like William Cecil preferring the Grey line for religious reasons. Although she kept her prisoner and never acknowledged her position, Elizabeth's actions show she believed Mary Queen of Scots line was the rightful line of succession.
Also, Margaret was the older sister so it does make sense that her line would be favored in the line of succession. I also think Scotland was in the modest of its own Protestant revolution either when Henry died or soon afterward so there wasn’t a way for him to know James VI would’ve been raised Protestant instead of catholic.
I am super interested in the fact that HVIII's last will pointedly did not include his elder sister's children. I also would love to know why it excludes Mary the French Queen's daughters? It says the heirs of her body, not her herself... is there a reason why?
My other question is this: if HVIII's last will technically wasn't valid, what did the last valid will say?
Thanks for the video, I never knew the Queen was directly related to the Tudors…enjoying all your videos😊
Thank you, most enjoyable. Cleared lots up for me in this talk. 😊
First things first, you look GREAT and your skin is 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼.
I always enjoy your videos. So interesting.
“Welcomed by Henry-“
Me *out loud proudly at 7:30am: Bastard!
I learned so much, great vid!
I absolutely love your book collection
Your face when you said “Any future wife?!” 😂😂😂
I have always wondered where we would be if Prince Edward had married his cousin Lady Jane Grey and produced a son (Henry IX?) before his death? Instead of a Nine Days Queen, I think Lady Jane would have been a formidable Dowager Queen Mother, and once in power, somewhat in the image of Margaret Beaufort! Her son would certainly not have married a Catholic so perhaps the Netherlands or Scandinavian countries would have had stronger alliances and marriages earlier with England? Mary and Elizabeth just spinster Aunts, no Stuarts, No Georges, no Victoria and no Windsors! No Kaiser Wilhelm and WWI, and perhaps the Romanovs still ruling because Victoria’s hemophilia would not have made it into the line of the Tsars.
Imagine!
Great show.👍👍👍
Love your videos! She definitely is very interesting!
a wonderul analysis on a forgotten figure, if possible i hope you continue with your review of the spanish princess, at least there margaret and mary tudor are different characters
I like to picture Margaret in the afterlife, laughing at her ultimate victory over her little brother.
Thank you so much for the video 😊
What a scoundrel that second husband was! Poor Margret, I can't imagine coming back to discover that my husband has taken up with his side chick and was pissing away all my money in order to fund it. And then to try and turn the tables on her and have the nerve to call her the adulterer, what a horrible man! And then to top it, after all of that, good old Henry warmly welcomes him as a brother, typical... That must have been so painful for her, a huge betrayal. And then to have husband number three turn out to be as bad as number two... She suffered so much betrayal by the men in her life, very sad. Also, thank you so much for the video! Was excellent was always!
Absolutely loved this episode going into such detail , Henry's will definitely has me thinking and I feel it may be latter and Henry maybe not of even been aware of the full contents .
I was thrown by the date 1540 for Alexander's birth you had me scratching my head 🤔
Looking forward to next weeks episode.
Sarah Derbyshire 👋
I agree too . Anything is possible
I think that was a diction fail on my part... it was 1514 not 1540 🙈
@@ReadingthePast When referring to Henry's will a month before he died, you mentioned December 1536 instead of December 1546 but I knew what you meant
Strangely enough although being well versed in the more well known Tudors I only knew Margaret from her name in a Tudor family tree. so thanks again for an interesting and enlightening Docu ofMargaret.
Unrelated to the topic, but I am always mesmerized by the contents of your bookshelves. I would love to know what non fiction resources and fiction you love enough to display. Have you done a tour of your books and mementos before for the channel that I missed? If not, please do!
I ❤❤❤ your videos.. You are very good fact finder
I agree with your choice of the worst king of England being Henry viii. His Narcissistic, spoiled brat traits started early-his betrayal of his own sister. Practice for when he turns on the two most capable and loyal servants he could ever have who did the hard work for him so he could satisfy his whims with sports, parties etc in order to show off. Can you imagine how his father would have felt to know how his son was as king? A Father who I think had more sense and courage in his pinkie than H had in his entire body.
I think the OG Tudor sisters are so underrated
I’ve only ever known QE11 (RIP) to rule on the throne and now of course KC11 (long live the king). Queen Elizabeth 11 (RIP) had done a wonderful job in a very tough and ever changing world!!💜 Respect!!
Henry VIII: I’m a great son, father, and husband!
Margaret: Notice how he didn’t say brother.
Thank you
Thank you for this, she is quite forgotten in many ways by- I think-her younger brother brother (as has been the plight of many other women in history)! How did Henry VIII be so very different than his sisters and brother? I love that the Queen is now a woman (as was his daughter and Queen Ann)! Both considered Greater Monarchs than he (Not that it would be incredibly hard to do to be a better person than Henry VIII). Do you think he really changed so much after his head injury (and possible Type Two Diabetes. I have always wondered if, perhaps, it and or they, did)?
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She already talked about possible diagnosis that Henry might and might not have had.
Really enjoyed the video
I have seen this video before, but never commented. It was two years ago and you’ll probably never see it, and probably no one else will see it either. But I agree with your conclusion that the counselors to Henry the eighth adjusted things to reflect what they wanted. It is only human nature to change things if you have the opportunity. And I really don’t think that the alternative to what they wanted was something that they really wanted. It’s funny how people and circumstances change history.
I remember reading that Henry was very put out and jealous when Margaret was made queen of Scotland and he was obliged to give her prominence, he never did like women getting above themselves