Can't recall a time where there were so many cards to talk about on your 'best cards of X color' episodes (and having more cards left over too). Think it's because blue has a lot of redundant cards that are very playable (and interacting on the stack is always good). Lovely to see these discussions as they are very insightful and entertaining. Top tier content!
in recent weeks i found hullbreaker horror to be absolutely insane. it's so hard to stop and opens up so many winning lines in midrange pods with bouncing bowmasters and clones. for me currently a 4,675/5 🤣
Been having a similar experience with Hullbreaker Horror, I was in a game a few weeks ago where a Talion player was miles ahead of everyone else and we’d been playing for like 2.5hr. They had the ring out along with HH and I was like dude just bounce the ring, draw your deck and play Thassa’s Oracle, GG lol
I LOVE Mystic Remora, don’t get me wrong. But when considering its power level, I’m always reminded of a tournament I played in. I was playing Tivit going second. Breya played a turn one fish. We didn’t feed it at all, yet Breya kept it around for FOUR TURNS. Finally couldn’t pay for it and sacced it… …I won the very next turn 😂
In the clones section I think an honorable mention should be dance of many, it offers the flexibility of phantasmal image with the downsides of flesh duplicate, however it has a big upside in that it makes a token copy on etb, and for some strategies that does double etb effects, or actively doubles tokens it will get the edge above flesh duplicate. Also being an enchantment can make it a little awkward sometimes, but it rarely comes up unless discussing kinnan or kenrith specifically.
I’m at the point where Lorien Revealed goes in every blue deck. What an absolute unit of a card; the sketchy no land keeps with mana crypt become god hands with Lorien Revealed, and with the shift of the meta going midrange it’s a card you don’t hate drawing late in the game, and you don’t mind pitching it to force of will/negation or Gemstone Cavern even because it’s not a combo piece.
Im running 4 of it in every 60 card deck I play in the formats it's legal and it's amazing, you can cut some lands for it and feel no punishment and have some colour fixing and by turn 5 or 6 if the way is clear to hard cast it's refiling my hand at the perfect time and the cmc isn't an issue. Pitches to force of negation and subtlety of course.
Bowmaster killed Timetwister. Really hard to use it if you have no way to interact with an opponent's Bowmaster. I'm convinced that Bowmaster is on par with Hullbreacher and needs banning consideration.
would love to see this where instead of doing an overlay of ther standings, you guys have like a whiteboard with the cards in order on there so you can both stop forgetting where you have things. also ranking them 0-5, putting them in tiers is probably more accurate. love the video!
Surprised metamorph is lower than phimage, copying the ring seems much better and 3 mana dockside is still a dockside. Glad Dylan mentioned snapback over snap, i think it's all round better.
Imposter mech being a vehicle (and not a creature) is a big upside when it's in play, having a non-creature bowmaster or talion is super nice, but being much easier to counter and not being able to force multiply your own gameplan is a problem.
Laboratory Maniac and Jace Wielder of Mysteries technically would still be win conditions if Thassa’s Oracle didnt exist but I feel like they would be lower in the list because of their mana costs
awesome video and analysis. the only thing I think I disagree with is Intuition at #9 4.94444 because while it is a powerful card to be sure, it's not an auto include in every blue deck (as evidence Dylan doesn't run it in Atraxa) I think Flusterstorm is more likely a 4.85 and Intuition is a 4.8 on your scale. awesome video again though. love your content!
I play Tivit, so 2 clones and gilded drake are amazing. I just won a game in seat 1 and seat 2 had malcolm / kediss, they played T1 malcolm and I gilded draked it T2 helping me to the win.
I think that because of the spells having thier own categories and the list being so black and white(this card better than this card) we would benefit from tier lists instead of top 10style lists
You know, if the format of EDH as a whole were ever *actually* balanced, I think there is an absurdly strong argument for banning Rhystic Study. I know that's a really unpopular opinion, but like, it HAS to be the best spell in cEDH that isn't directly a win condition. And the fact that it's color-locked and has NO downside whatsoever for who casts it is honestly just format warping. Like, I don't know if you noticed or not, but THE MOMENT that you realized that your forgot about Rhystic Study as a card was literally *list shifting*. I think the nearest equivalent to it in any color is *maybe* Demonic Tutor (a card that you will NEVER cut from ANY black deck list). I would've said Necropotence, but even THAT card comes with a VERY heavy downside by comparison. And as messed up as it is, even Griselbrand comes with *some* downside, which is WAY more than Rhystic most of the time *and* those spells are almost never used as *passive* value cards - they're explosive value or *active* cards. Where Rhystic is a Set and Forget spell that can begin *in play* on turn 1. I mean, you're welcome to mulligan for Dark Ritual and Necro as much as you want, but you're *STILL* killing yourself to net that card advantage. Idk, I'm just saying that the bullshit argument for why Primeval Titan and Sylvan Primordial are banned cards is simultaneously an argument for why Rhystic Study probably also ought to be a banned card at the bare minimum.
Cam (currently talking about a card and rating it a five) : “Let’s talk about the … OH wait we forgot (insert blue card here)” Dylan: “Oh yeah that one’s real good” Cam: “Where does this even go!?!”
For real, I hope you see this Cam and Dylan, I love your channel and you bring my such joy listening to you guys every week. Dylan I’m super stoked you’re full time now! You guys are the absolute best and I hope we meet someday!
Honestly Brain freeze is more useful than Oracle as an individual card. I have used Brain freeze against my opponents once they've made infinite storm with like a Food Chain line or like some other infinite loop and just won the game AFTER they thought they had won the game.
A counterspell needs to help me win, not help me to not loose. Force of negation and mindbreak trap are working only if you can present a win at instant speed. If you put countespells in your deck with the intention to counter rhystic studies, you will loose.
Wotc hasn't printed good blue cards/cool blue legendary creatures in a while. Blue reminds me of when you say something is good because it used to be good way before
I'm really surprised Intuition got rated so highly. I get it, but if we're talking about 1-card wincons I think I rate HBH higher in the decks that want these types of cards.
How can thassa's oracle be #1? A 5/5 means it goes in every deck running blue but Oracle doesn't. Oracle on its own does nothing, and you need cards from a totally different color for it to be as useful as it is. Rhystic, Mystic, and force go in every single deck running blue, but thassa's doesn't go in a deck unless it runs BLACK.
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I disagree that oracle is better than rhystic and fish. some blue decks won't play oracle while they all want the draw pieces. Not having hullbreaker on the list is sinful.
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The scrolling menu is so satisfying. Well done Cam! Do it for the next 3 colors too!
I 2nd this! ❤❤❤
Yes!!!
100% agree!
you guys introducing decimals into your rating system... magnificent.
(can't wait for tyler to see it)
Blue eyes toon dragon is on theme for best blue cards
That would be a great alter for Gilded drake
It’s the “Let’s talk about Thassa’s Oracle. Oh.” For me.
😂😂😂
Can't recall a time where there were so many cards to talk about on your 'best cards of X color' episodes (and having more cards left over too). Think it's because blue has a lot of redundant cards that are very playable (and interacting on the stack is always good). Lovely to see these discussions as they are very insightful and entertaining. Top tier content!
in recent weeks i found hullbreaker horror to be absolutely insane. it's so hard to stop and opens up so many winning lines in midrange pods with bouncing bowmasters and clones. for me currently a 4,675/5 🤣
Been having a similar experience with Hullbreaker Horror, I was in a game a few weeks ago where a Talion player was miles ahead of everyone else and we’d been playing for like 2.5hr. They had the ring out along with HH and I was like dude just bounce the ring, draw your deck and play Thassa’s Oracle, GG lol
Yeah card is a staple. Sure it's 7 mana but the format is so grindy right now that you always get there to play it's basically a one card wincon
HBH is just a win
I love how there’s two displaced kittens at 50:04
Love the scrolling list at the bottom. Makes it so much easier to follow along 👌🏻
Ok now I need a podcast about that binder
imposter mech has the upside of being way harder to kill if you copy an opponents bowmasters because they can't ping it since its not a creature
I LOVE Mystic Remora, don’t get me wrong. But when considering its power level, I’m always reminded of a tournament I played in.
I was playing Tivit going second. Breya played a turn one fish. We didn’t feed it at all, yet Breya kept it around for FOUR TURNS. Finally couldn’t pay for it and sacced it…
…I won the very next turn 😂
1:30 now I want a Jace-Son planeswalker for that Horror set!
In the clones section I think an honorable mention should be dance of many, it offers the flexibility of phantasmal image with the downsides of flesh duplicate, however it has a big upside in that it makes a token copy on etb, and for some strategies that does double etb effects, or actively doubles tokens it will get the edge above flesh duplicate. Also being an enchantment can make it a little awkward sometimes, but it rarely comes up unless discussing kinnan or kenrith specifically.
Channel is popping off, deservedly!
I’m at the point where Lorien Revealed goes in every blue deck. What an absolute unit of a card; the sketchy no land keeps with mana crypt become god hands with Lorien Revealed, and with the shift of the meta going midrange it’s a card you don’t hate drawing late in the game, and you don’t mind pitching it to force of will/negation or Gemstone Cavern even because it’s not a combo piece.
Im running 4 of it in every 60 card deck I play in the formats it's legal and it's amazing, you can cut some lands for it and feel no punishment and have some colour fixing and by turn 5 or 6 if the way is clear to hard cast it's refiling my hand at the perfect time and the cmc isn't an issue. Pitches to force of negation and subtlety of course.
Bowmaster killed Timetwister. Really hard to use it if you have no way to interact with an opponent's Bowmaster. I'm convinced that Bowmaster is on par with Hullbreacher and needs banning consideration.
Comparing this to the white episode really emphasizes how strong blue is. We also missed polymorph
would love to see this where instead of doing an overlay of ther standings, you guys have like a whiteboard with the cards in order on there so you can both stop forgetting where you have things. also ranking them 0-5, putting them in tiers is probably more accurate. love the video!
I like that the cards at the bottom of the screen now scroll, that's fantastic :) Also, MORE DECIMALS.
the formatting of these videos are fantastic
Surprised metamorph is lower than phimage, copying the ring seems much better and 3 mana dockside is still a dockside.
Glad Dylan mentioned snapback over snap, i think it's all round better.
Imposter mech being a vehicle (and not a creature) is a big upside when it's in play, having a non-creature bowmaster or talion is super nice, but being much easier to counter and not being able to force multiply your own gameplan is a problem.
Do an episode ranking best non-blue cedh decks???
I love the moving card ratings!
Laboratory Maniac and Jace Wielder of Mysteries technically would still be win conditions if Thassa’s Oracle didnt exist but I feel like they would be lower in the list because of their mana costs
awesome video and analysis. the only thing I think I disagree with is Intuition at #9 4.94444 because while it is a powerful card to be sure, it's not an auto include in every blue deck (as evidence Dylan doesn't run it in Atraxa)
I think Flusterstorm is more likely a 4.85 and Intuition is a 4.8 on your scale.
awesome video again though. love your content!
would be good to also mention how much the card is if you wanted the lowest priced version "today."
I like Gilded Drake over Duplicate because UU is pretty steep especially in 3+ color decks
I play Tivit, so 2 clones and gilded drake are amazing. I just won a game in seat 1 and seat 2 had malcolm / kediss, they played T1 malcolm and I gilded draked it T2 helping me to the win.
57:43 I’d watch you guys talk about cards for 6 days
I think Cyc Rift deserves to be higher. It's such a devastating spell IF you can overload it.
I cannot fathom a blue deck that wouldn’t play it. Great for 2, backbreaking for 7, plays nice with Ad Naus.
@BabelTriumphant yuriko doesn't have the mana to cast and control/tempo builds would really not like their stax pieces bounced
Very surprised that cons Sphinx and hullbreaker horror weren’t addressed
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Love the Gay To Win shirt Cam’s wearing!
I've been dying to buy it but I cant find it in the store!
Toon Blue Eyes shirt goes hard AF
Never change, guys. The level of confusion cleared by making this a 1-10 scale is definitively NOT outweighed by the humor of your 1-5 scale 😂
Fluster storm saved me a lot may I add and also mana drain u get the mana. Back
Malachai, Children of the Corn; Green White
I had to dig for an answer
We could get killer clowns in the next dnd set if they do spell jammer
Another perfect list! ❤❤❤
Mana Drain missing is a bit strange, but it's a niche card nowdays for sure.
I think that because of the spells having thier own categories and the list being so black and white(this card better than this card) we would benefit from tier lists instead of top 10style lists
When I saw this I was like how in the holy hell are they actually gonna keep this at 10 cards. There is just no way.
Sorry bit late but a horror villain who's nonblack could be Carrie's mom; religious freak is very mono white
There are so many blue cars XDXDXD great video
I’m surprised Tsakashima wasn’t in the clone pile.
I feel like the Alien from The Thing would be izzet prob
I wonder where commandeer would go on the list
You know, if the format of EDH as a whole were ever *actually* balanced, I think there is an absurdly strong argument for banning Rhystic Study.
I know that's a really unpopular opinion, but like, it HAS to be the best spell in cEDH that isn't directly a win condition. And the fact that it's color-locked and has NO downside whatsoever for who casts it is honestly just format warping. Like, I don't know if you noticed or not, but THE MOMENT that you realized that your forgot about Rhystic Study as a card was literally *list shifting*. I think the nearest equivalent to it in any color is *maybe* Demonic Tutor (a card that you will NEVER cut from ANY black deck list).
I would've said Necropotence, but even THAT card comes with a VERY heavy downside by comparison. And as messed up as it is, even Griselbrand comes with *some* downside, which is WAY more than Rhystic most of the time *and* those spells are almost never used as *passive* value cards - they're explosive value or *active* cards. Where Rhystic is a Set and Forget spell that can begin *in play* on turn 1. I mean, you're welcome to mulligan for Dark Ritual and Necro as much as you want, but you're *STILL* killing yourself to net that card advantage.
Idk, I'm just saying that the bullshit argument for why Primeval Titan and Sylvan Primordial are banned cards is simultaneously an argument for why Rhystic Study probably also ought to be a banned card at the bare minimum.
Displacer Kitten is on your list twice. There's irony there.
A 9000 dollar power 9 card not even making the top 20 really goes to show how absurd blue is as a colour compared to the other colours
Are the gay to win shirts always available?
Flesh duplicate is much better with things like displacer kitten and hullbreaker horror for the non-kenrith decks
Cam 100% said Clown. I heard clown. Lol😂
Cam (currently talking about a card and rating it a five) : “Let’s talk about the … OH wait we forgot (insert blue card here)”
Dylan: “Oh yeah that one’s real good”
Cam: “Where does this even go!?!”
For real, I hope you see this Cam and Dylan, I love your channel and you bring my such joy listening to you guys every week. Dylan I’m super stoked you’re full time now! You guys are the absolute best and I hope we meet someday!
I think you missed trickbind..... I've been seeing this a lot now..... It hits thassa and even the rad counters for a turn
Are we proxying the Time Twister?
I want a Ron Jeremy card to helm a deck
Leprechaun is a mono green villain.
Cam, we already got a horror clown set. It’s called unfinity.
Blue has so many good cards
Children of the corn can arguably be white. The kid from sleepaway camp is probably just red. Freddy could be blue?
black next maybe? D:
American Horror Story universes beyond?
How do I get the gay to win shirt?
Swan song a 5 loooooooool about fluster 🤣
this list is just 3-5 . there is now need for 1 and 2
I have a lier deck that could easily be cedh, so having this list tells me cards I shouldn't play, appreciate it :P
Non black 80s horror is very clearly the Thing, which is obviously simic.
Id rather see a brainstorm or flusterstorm over a mystical tutor these days
So pretty much every card on here is basically Time Walk.
Yo killer clowns would be lit
MYSTIKAL ZOOTER
Imposter Mech copying Bowmaster has been very very nice for me.
I think that Dragon with Blue-Eyes is the best clue card. Also I hate Yugi Muto
"It's barely a 4.9, it's like a 4.94, it rounds down"
The math ain't mathing. Wouldnt it be 4.86 then?
I thought I won games because of my food chain XD
Pls sell us the shirt guys 😭
He definitely said clowns.
5.0 cards i would say is cards always want to see in start hand so would put thoracle and brainfreeze at a 4,9
Honestly Brain freeze is more useful than Oracle as an individual card. I have used Brain freeze against my opponents once they've made infinite storm with like a Food Chain line or like some other infinite loop and just won the game AFTER they thought they had won the game.
A counterspell needs to help me win, not help me to not loose. Force of negation and mindbreak trap are working only if you can present a win at instant speed. If you put countespells in your deck with the intention to counter rhystic studies, you will loose.
Wotc hasn't printed good blue cards/cool blue legendary creatures in a while. Blue reminds me of when you say something is good because it used to be good way before
Mystic Remora:
U - Suspend 4
Win the Game.
Green being the grand finale of this series is great because its the supreme colour and played by only the best magic players...like me.
Definitely heard clowns
5:00: the 3 mana sol ring, the 3 mana mana crypt. overrated
I'm really surprised Intuition got rated so highly. I get it, but if we're talking about 1-card wincons I think I rate HBH higher in the decks that want these types of cards.
What’s a good commander to start cedh with? Something simple for my simple mind
How can thassa's oracle be #1? A 5/5 means it goes in every deck running blue but Oracle doesn't. Oracle on its own does nothing, and you need cards from a totally different color for it to be as useful as it is. Rhystic, Mystic, and force go in every single deck running blue, but thassa's doesn't go in a deck unless it runs BLACK.
How did Otawara not make the bounce list?
It’s a land, so will go in the land video. I assume😊
Putting twister that low is sacrilegious... also no windfall?
Those are for the aggro mulls not a tactic really
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Wonder if there are enough good red cards for a video ?😂
Resculpt is one of the best blue cards in cedh
Definitely not top 10 but Impostor Mech being an Orcish Bowmasters that doesn’t die to Orcish Bowmasters in an Orcish Bowmasters meta is huge.
Hot take: Xenomorphs are gruul.
Steal enchantment left off
I disagree that oracle is better than rhystic and fish. some blue decks won't play oracle while they all want the draw pieces. Not having hullbreaker on the list is sinful.
Cam are you gay? I’m telling your girlfriend 🤣