@@oppositecatchyghost8025 newer foils sometimes dont pringle at all, its a mixed back (also, lmao at that, i never had counterfeit foils pringle but i didnt tell you that)
Shorikai is great... UW having a scepter and HbH outlet in the command zone is big. I don't like the polymorph list though, you lose too much from not having any other creatures, and you hit yourself on the foot with humility
@@SrDonJugo I agree with you that polymorph effects dont have enough synergy with shorikai. I personally opted for a grindier version, with sceptre combos, intruder alarm combos, and rings of brighthearth combos.
This game is "Who is the best Stax commander from Kamigawa Neon Dyansty?" I absolutely love this. I've wanted to see a video of just a POD of control commanders. Good video guys! Keep up the amazing work!
@@TheVaultDescendant Yeah. Don't get me wrong, but Go-Shintai is a very powerful commander. But it is not good in cEDH because it would be way to slow.
@@Kallastin Imo ppl should not be focusing on the shrine part but on the enchantment part of that card. Enchantment matters like sanctum combined with stuff like constilation is surprisingly good. I agree that its probably not CEDH good, but I would like to see it tried out.
@@TheVaultDescendant yeah. The chance of someone spending WUBRG to bring an enchantment back with cards like naturalize and stuff so common in the format would cause more issues than payoff for that specific commander. It may have big pop off moments but I don't see it being good with other Enchantress style decks.
@@Kallastin I am not getting what I mean across 🙈 When you cast/flicker your commander, or another shrine, you get a token that is an Enchantment. It is really easy to get an insane amount of enchantments. The enchantment theme gives tons of mana and card draw, and constellation or other etb-triggers are good finishers/stacks. One great thing about this is that the effect triggers on etb, and many cards that are real good with tokens are also enchantments. Again, this is probably not good enough for a CEDH, but it's a very strong and explosive midrange/grind deck. I am not a good deckbuilder, but the one I made is strong in comparison to the rest of my group.
Favourite? And flavour? Why are you doing that to me? You are making feel inferior because I know that’s not strictly wrong but I don’t know why or how these spellings differ and can only conclude it must come from some inferiority on my end. 😞 🖖namaste homie. Spell words however you want. I’m joking. In the words of the sage Dane cook, “they’re only words. They don’t control us… not anymore 😏” 🖖
@@NewSchoolPOKERstrat Those spellings are the correct spellings for British English. For example, American English would use the spelling Defense, but British English would spell the word: Defence.
Loving this set so far. Decided to build Isshin and Satoru. Slotted my boy Jin right into Satoru, pulled the phyrexian version in a pack. The lands are gorgeous too.
I learned the 1 polymorph target problem over 12 years ago, sad to see you youngsters are just now learning it ;) Also, the best part of this video was having to hear Dylan read out loud "anime tiddies" with a straight face. Great show as always, excellent editing. As usual, the most threatening deck for casual level play (Hinata in this case) didn't get to do its thing. I look forward to all of the twitter threads asking for a Hinata ban because of WotC overlooking all of the X spells the card interacts too favorably with.
I don’t really like watching game play but you guys are pretty great. I’d still rather have a deck tech or set review to watch but I have to say this is the second time I’ve watched this game. You’d take that as a big compliment if you knew how rarely I watch a game once thru. I’ve never watched another game twice ever. My fiancé jokes about these people she watches on TH-cam being “her friends” and I do get it now. You all remind me sooo much of all the guys I used to play with in my twenties (I’m 42 now and some of those guys are not even alive now) but somehow you create videos that literally produce a sense of nostalgia in me. I don’t know shit about video production or editing but I would have to believe that’s very very high marks. Namaste homies 🖖 Fantastic game/video
A friend of mine was like: "yea, the new jin gitaxias doesnt seem to broken, i have no problem with it getting played..." I showed him this, and he might need therapy...
What's the soundtrack at 21:20, I am pretty sure I have listened to it somewhere else but can't figure it out!! Good content anyway,as always! Hope too see Hinata in more videos!
@@NewSchoolPOKERstrat I just feel the redundancy is so important in case you draw one, or it gets removed, or god forbid someone uses Praetor's Grasp on you.
Insane game! I was surprised that I did not see a Gilded Drake or Phantasmal Image cast. That would have been bananas lol Also, Counterbalance did some work, which I love.
That was painful. Three Rhystic Studys and one Esper Sentinal in the same game should be forbidden. Made me realize again how much I hate Rhystic Study. Great video though!
So I just wanna point out cause it’s one of my favorite decks of all time Besides Korvold I play Alela ROL bonk and you guys haven’t played a single game of Alela on the channel so that might be something interesting to see
I’m one of two entire people working on Shorikai on the discord. I’m glad you guys were preaching the gospel. I was trying to convince the other dude on there that he should run vanquish the hordes and out of time in his poly version (I’m not doing poly things). I feel like out of time should be in that list. It’s a white/x control deck that can make tokens that only plays one creature and even it’s damned commander isn’t a creature. If Out of Time fits literally anywhere at all.. it must be there, no? And I think we all sorta angreed it was a good card.
@@trainspartan4464 The commander is a scepter outlet. You can use dramatic scepter to draw your deck and generate all the mana. In my list I just have one copy of Nexus of fate in the deck. That way when I draw myself out I play that and take an extra turn to attack with my nigh infinite army from all the commander activations. He’s also using polymorph (I don’t) so he can hit Hullbreaker horror and use it to tap and bounce mana rocks then replay them and tap and bounce to make infinite mana (as long as he has a mana positive rock and at least another he can go mana neutral on. Then he can bounce the commander and replay it to continue to activate it as many times as he needs. Basically the win con is “draw your deck”. As to how he literally closes out the game, in his list he just has to cobble something together that wins. It’s easier than it maybe seems w unbounded mana and access to all your cards. He could use codex shredder to mill everyone out by untapping it and activating it over and over with dramatic reversal/scepter.. he can do that same trick by bouncing the codex shredder and recasting it with Hullbreaker horror. He can make an immense army and then bounce every single non land permanent his opponents have, he can cast time twister over and over a couple ways with Narset in play to make sure his opponents are all hell bent. He can use copy artifact to copy his scepter and imprint swan song on the copy then he can make infinite bird tokens by using dramatic scepter to get a bunch of scepter activations on the stack and then start countering his own copies (dueling scepters) to make an army of 2/2 flyers and then bounce all his opponents things and then wheel their stuff away with Narset out so they have no permanents and no cards in hand and you have an infinite army and he has a perfectly sculpted hand to stop whatever feeble attempts the table might top deck on their last turn. The simplest thing for his deck is prob just to mill everyone out with codex shredder. In my version I just have one copy of nexus of fate and I deck myself so I cast and draw it every turn for as many turns as it takes (likely just one more. It almost says “give your army haste” but has backup text of “take all the turns if that isn’t good enough”) Hope that’s not too complicated. The simple answer is “imprint dramatic reversal onto isochron scepter and use your commander as an outlet”
Also @Play To Win What was Dylan thinking of changing the that Jin-Gitaxias, Progress Tyrant deck? Im gonna play the deck list and Really curious! Also Built a Reality Chip, thinking it was the Jin-Gitaxias, Progress Tyrant deck lol Got em missed up. Not a bad commander though!
16:55 teeny weeny correction, you actually don't need to name your choices for Turnabout because it's not a modal spell. That also means that if you copied it, you can choose different choices for the copy.
I think they played it correctly. You don't have to say whether you're tapping or untapping, or whether you're choosing artifact, creature, or land, but you DO have to declare the player you're targeting as you cast Turnabout. I assume that's why Dylan floated mana and activated his Top in response, which interestingly allowed Nate to choose to tap Dylan's creatures.
Decided to get Shorikai after this vid :P Thinking of more staxy approach, rather than polymorph. Really losing on those white cards we could have had.
Since “reveal” is different than “look,” activating Counterbalance WITHOUT topdeck knowledge does mean it’s just blind sometimes. You can’t look and then decide not to reveal unless a separate card says you can.
“Rhystic study, rhystic study, rhystic study, you got it….rhystic study, rhystic study, rhystic study, you got it…. HEEYYYYYY ESPER SENTINEL, I’ll pay for nate’s” - The Play to Win crew
man, Rhystic study sure is a good magic card.
Are you paying the 1 for that comment or may i draw?
We can thus clearly conclude that Jin is better than henata for cedh
Rofl
In other news, lava is hot and foil cards are Pringles.
@@oppositecatchyghost8025 newer foils sometimes dont pringle at all, its a mixed back
(also, lmao at that, i never had counterfeit foils pringle but i didnt tell you that)
Person: *plays a noncreature spell*
Tyler: *taps the ever living shit out of Mystic Remora*
I will cas... RHSYTIC STU, ESPER SEN, RHYSTIC STUD, COUNTERBALANCE TRUGGER. Good grief this game is weird
I've never laughed as much watching a game of magic as I have watching this game
I was surprised that the taxes weren't getting paid
This was the most intense stacking game I've seen come out of this channel and I loved it. That was amazing.
Everytime a commander is played on here that I'm excited to watch gets played it doesnt do anything. Hahaa. RIP Hinata.
I made the mistake of reading the comments first, shit
I never put much hope on the decks Cam is going to pilot tbh
@@SrDonJugo savage
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All of these are impressive. Reality chip and shorkai was the biggest surprise tho.
Shorokai was obviously busted from reveal.
Shorikai is great... UW having a scepter and HbH outlet in the command zone is big. I don't like the polymorph list though, you lose too much from not having any other creatures, and you hit yourself on the foot with humility
@@SrDonJugo I agree with you that polymorph effects dont have enough synergy with shorikai. I personally opted for a grindier version, with sceptre combos, intruder alarm combos, and rings of brighthearth combos.
As a resident blue player I really enjoyed watching that stack get bigger than a commander deck several times.
This game is "Who is the best Stax commander from Kamigawa Neon Dyansty?" I absolutely love this. I've wanted to see a video of just a POD of control commanders. Good video guys! Keep up the amazing work!
And none of them chose the 5c token maker!
@@TheVaultDescendant Yeah. Don't get me wrong, but Go-Shintai is a very powerful commander. But it is not good in cEDH because it would be way to slow.
@@Kallastin Imo ppl should not be focusing on the shrine part but on the enchantment part of that card. Enchantment matters like sanctum combined with stuff like constilation is surprisingly good. I agree that its probably not CEDH good, but I would like to see it tried out.
@@TheVaultDescendant yeah. The chance of someone spending WUBRG to bring an enchantment back with cards like naturalize and stuff so common in the format would cause more issues than payoff for that specific commander. It may have big pop off moments but I don't see it being good with other Enchantress style decks.
@@Kallastin I am not getting what I mean across 🙈 When you cast/flicker your commander, or another shrine, you get a token that is an Enchantment. It is really easy to get an insane amount of enchantments. The enchantment theme gives tons of mana and card draw, and constellation or other etb-triggers are good finishers/stacks.
One great thing about this is that the effect triggers on etb, and many cards that are real good with tokens are also enchantments.
Again, this is probably not good enough for a CEDH, but it's a very strong and explosive midrange/grind deck. I am not a good deckbuilder, but the one I made is strong in comparison to the rest of my group.
That was the most amount of draw triggers I’ve ever seen in one game, beautiful 👏🏻
Although not the most powerful MTG set it’s been my favourite set in ages! Just the flavour, the story, the art!
Favourite? And flavour? Why are you doing that to me? You are making feel inferior because I know that’s not strictly wrong but I don’t know why or how these spellings differ and can only conclude it must come from some inferiority on my end. 😞
🖖namaste homie. Spell words however you want. I’m joking.
In the words of the sage Dane cook, “they’re only words. They don’t control us… not anymore 😏”
🖖
@@NewSchoolPOKERstrat Those spellings are the correct spellings for British English. For example, American English would use the spelling Defense, but British English would spell the word: Defence.
@@iisaka_station
I was just kidding. I get it.
Thanks though 🖖
Loving this set so far. Decided to build Isshin and Satoru. Slotted my boy Jin right into Satoru, pulled the phyrexian version in a pack. The lands are gorgeous too.
Isshin just seems like so much fun, I'd love to build a deck with him
Would love to see the Hinata's Deck again, this was a fun game to watch.
Perfect showing of Vanquish the Horde. Your Midnight Hunt set review was incredibly accurate.
Yay, Nate is back. Really missed him. Love the way he plays his decks.
Man this game was a ride! Cool to see that Jin gitaxias is so oppressive
I learned the 1 polymorph target problem over 12 years ago, sad to see you youngsters are just now learning it ;)
Also, the best part of this video was having to hear Dylan read out loud "anime tiddies" with a straight face.
Great show as always, excellent editing. As usual, the most threatening deck for casual level play (Hinata in this case) didn't get to do its thing. I look forward to all of the twitter threads asking for a Hinata ban because of WotC overlooking all of the X spells the card interacts too favorably with.
He had the mana to hard cast it so it wasn't actually an issue.
What's the problem with Polymorph?
@@therealax6 Drawing the card you want to Polymorph into.
Id love to see Dylan play his SHORIKAI deck in some more new videos and see what he can come up with
Ditto. I just built a very similar list and I’d love to see it piloted for some additional thoughts on deck construction / play patterns.
Aggressively tapping the fish is magic how Richard Garfield intended
I don’t really like watching game play but you guys are pretty great.
I’d still rather have a deck tech or set review to watch but I have to say this is the second time I’ve watched this game. You’d take that as a big compliment if you knew how rarely I watch a game once thru. I’ve never watched another game twice ever.
My fiancé jokes about these people she watches on TH-cam being “her friends” and I do get it now. You all remind me sooo much of all the guys I used to play with in my twenties (I’m 42 now and some of those guys are not even alive now) but somehow you create videos that literally produce a sense of nostalgia in me. I don’t know shit about video production or editing but I would have to believe that’s very very high marks.
Namaste homies 🖖
Fantastic game/video
Hinata seems like a stax type deck. She can counter out taxes and while opponents have to pay extra
this is my second favorite game i have ever seen on youtube. with one of the biggest stacks ive seen in a WHILE, i love it! please keep making MORE!
Man, that game was sick... so many interactions... Cam should use the Hinata deck again cuz we weren't able to see rolling
Cameron- love the paddy's pub t shirt! i'm in mke and it's a classic!
This game was absolutely insane, I would've been completely exhausted by the end of this... I wonder how long the game took? Probably 2-3 hours?
Good guess! 2.5 hours if I remember right. We're pretty sure it was the second longest game we've filmed.
I'm so stoked to put aa Shorikai list together.
The amount of interaction in this game holy crap dude
I love the stack when Dylan throws that mox opal into Jin. Also stealing "priority goes to papa"
Super excited to play Hinata! Picked up my cards yesterday 😊
Jin has some DOPE effects, too!!
Cam with the I think you should leave reference!!!! Y'all are my favorite!
A friend of mine was like: "yea, the new jin gitaxias doesnt seem to broken, i have no problem with it getting played..."
I showed him this, and he might need therapy...
I'm so happy to watch an in person game from you guys. Best edh on TH-cam. Please keep. Up the good work.
What a great video, time to leave a like-
"By the way, the Dack Fayden promo is the best High Tide."
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So you have chosen death.
Gotta say, I find Tyler's EXTREMELY aggressive tapping of the Remora delightful.
Also - 14:32 ... same
This is what happens when the pod is super duper blue! Big props to whoever edited the stackpart of the video. Daaaamn
I felt the urge to go get my deck and start drawing cards while watching this game. Lol
Ah yes, a cEDH game where everyone is on Blue. Nothing like the sweet, sweet sound of permission spells left & right. Soothing.
im learning so much with this matches, love to see this kind of gameplay please keep the show running
Tyler furiously tapping the fish makes me laugh so hard
RIP in peace to the editor of this epic battle
Yo props to your editor. You wanna pay the 1 for that whole game bro? Holy shit. Great game.
Yo! This was intense!
I’m glad SG recommend you guys.
LFG!
What's the soundtrack at 21:20, I am pretty sure I have listened to it somewhere else but can't figure it out!! Good content anyway,as always! Hope too see Hinata in more videos!
Oh my goodness.. drawing that Hullbreaker Horror!!
That hurt me to watch that.. damn.. that was completely unreasonable 😆
Cam is very correct on the 2 Horrors idea.
Yeah, maybe so. I’ve been back and fourth on that in urza. It’s def reasonable.
@@NewSchoolPOKERstrat I just feel the redundancy is so important in case you draw one, or it gets removed, or god forbid someone uses Praetor's Grasp on you.
Insane game! I was surprised that I did not see a Gilded Drake or Phantasmal Image cast. That would have been bananas lol Also, Counterbalance did some work, which I love.
Tameshi looks like it’s going to be a really cool cedh deck!
Omfg editor, I am so sorry, but I love me a 20+ minute game!
More Shorikaaaaaaaiiiiiiiii! Please!
11:54 “I am looking at the top card… respectfully” lmao
Not gonna lie, as soon as I saw Jin-Gitaxias I figured this game would be a bit wild, didn't expect him to be THAT strong of a tax piece.
Man that was just counterspell wars and I fully enjoyed it.
Holy cow that game! Nice. And that stack was crazy at some points!
At 14:49 he cast a jeweled amulet, but the screen showed jeweled lotus, got confused for a second, lol.
I think this new card rhystic study is gonna end up making waves in the format, cool to see all the new cards doing work!
“Dockside is Extortionist” might make a nice T-shirt 🤔
That was painful. Three Rhystic Studys and one Esper Sentinal in the same game should be forbidden. Made me realize again how much I hate Rhystic Study. Great video though!
Get in the friggin' robot Dylan
My aristocrats-player brain can't help but see all those pilots as food for our lord and saviour skullclamp
Please make a shorikai deck tech. I'm currently building this commander and would love your insight.
This was probably my favorite game from the channel. It was awesome!
One of your best videos so far!
It's okay Cam, your deck's name makes it a winner in my heart.
Ahhhhh at last someone's cracking Hinata references as a true gentleman of culture. Real question is, does Cam possess the Byakugan
Great game to watch! Best way to start my day. Keep up the good work.
Everyone playing blue and no one on Thassa/Consult combo made for an interesting game
So I just wanna point out cause it’s one of my favorite decks of all time Besides Korvold I play Alela ROL bonk and you guys haven’t played a single game of Alela on the channel so that might be something interesting to see
Yo! Thanks for my weekend fun! You should do a best enchantress deck in cEDH video. Light-Paws vs Sythis vs Zur vs [insert 4th deck here].
Tuvasa the Sunlit
I’m one of two entire people working on Shorikai on the discord.
I’m glad you guys were preaching the gospel. I was trying to convince the other dude on there that he should run vanquish the hordes and out of time in his poly version (I’m not doing poly things). I feel like out of time should be in that list. It’s a white/x control deck that can make tokens that only plays one creature and even it’s damned commander isn’t a creature. If Out of Time fits literally anywhere at all.. it must be there, no?
And I think we all sorta angreed it was a good card.
I’m probably just stupid, but what’s the major wincon for the deck? I looked through the list but can’t seem to piece it together
@@trainspartan4464
The commander is a scepter outlet. You can use dramatic scepter to draw your deck and generate all the mana. In my list I just have one copy of Nexus of fate in the deck. That way when I draw myself out I play that and take an extra turn to attack with my nigh infinite army from all the commander activations. He’s also using polymorph (I don’t) so he can hit Hullbreaker horror and use it to tap and bounce mana rocks then replay them and tap and bounce to make infinite mana (as long as he has a mana positive rock and at least another he can go mana neutral on. Then he can bounce the commander and replay it to continue to activate it as many times as he needs.
Basically the win con is “draw your deck”.
As to how he literally closes out the game, in his list he just has to cobble something together that wins. It’s easier than it maybe seems w unbounded mana and access to all your cards.
He could use codex shredder to mill everyone out by untapping it and activating it over and over with dramatic reversal/scepter.. he can do that same trick by bouncing the codex shredder and recasting it with Hullbreaker horror.
He can make an immense army and then bounce every single non land permanent his opponents have, he can cast time twister over and over a couple ways with Narset in play to make sure his opponents are all hell bent. He can use copy artifact to copy his scepter and imprint swan song on the copy then he can make infinite bird tokens by using dramatic scepter to get a bunch of scepter activations on the stack and then start countering his own copies (dueling scepters) to make an army of 2/2 flyers and then bounce all his opponents things and then wheel their stuff away with Narset out so they have no permanents and no cards in hand and you have an infinite army and he has a perfectly sculpted hand to stop whatever feeble attempts the table might top deck on their last turn.
The simplest thing for his deck is prob just to mill everyone out with codex shredder.
In my version I just have one copy of nexus of fate and I deck myself so I cast and draw it every turn for as many turns as it takes (likely just one more. It almost says “give your army haste” but has backup text of “take all the turns if that isn’t good enough”)
Hope that’s not too complicated.
The simple answer is “imprint dramatic reversal onto isochron scepter and use your commander as an outlet”
Oh.. after watching the video again I see that the actual win con was to deck his opponents with their own Rhystic study greed. 😂
@@NewSchoolPOKERstrat thanks, that is super helpful!
@@NewSchoolPOKERstrat if you don’t mind me asking, what’s the discord channel you’re using to o brainstorm the deck?
The names of these decks were 10/10
This brings me back to the flash hulk days, counterwars all over the shop. Can you tell blue is the best colour in magic??
Also @Play To Win What was Dylan thinking of changing the that Jin-Gitaxias, Progress Tyrant deck? Im gonna play the deck list and Really curious!
Also Built a Reality Chip, thinking it was the Jin-Gitaxias, Progress Tyrant deck lol Got em missed up. Not a bad commander though!
HUMILITY!! THAT DECK SHOULD PLAY HUMILITY
@@PlaytoWinMTG How would a mono blue deck play a white card?
Play to win not play to stop someone! Good man Dylan… good man.
I like these videos before I even watch them because I know they’re going to be good
Just a small question: How much do you guys proxy? Out of 280-300 cards, how many are proxies, generally?
Man. This video was INSANE.
This was a very interesting match to watch!
This has to be the most counterspells I've ever seen cast in one game in over 25 years of playing magic.
amazing game! is the arcane laboratory "hard" lock with Jin to detrimental for Jin itself?
Biscuit study got some value everyone got to put their hand in the biscuit jar!
This is a very cool way to win in mono blue. What is the best High Tide commander?
16:55 teeny weeny correction, you actually don't need to name your choices for Turnabout because it's not a modal spell. That also means that if you copied it, you can choose different choices for the copy.
I think they played it correctly. You don't have to say whether you're tapping or untapping, or whether you're choosing artifact, creature, or land, but you DO have to declare the player you're targeting as you cast Turnabout. I assume that's why Dylan floated mana and activated his Top in response, which interestingly allowed Nate to choose to tap Dylan's creatures.
@@Capybara496 Ah you're right, I forgot that Turnabout targets
counterspell wars in cEDH are some anime-ass "I am 4 parallel universes ahead of you" type shit
Im surprised to see no ishin or satoru, but im ready for the games nontheless
Built Satoru yesterday, was a blast to play! Still needs work though...
This was an AMAZING game! Keep 'em coming!
WHAT A GRIND. (Also: shoutout Mind's Desire!)
WOO WELCOME BACK NATE!!
My mind is burning from all the “counter”ing.
i think i learnt every book with the amount of studying that just took place, also i have infinite negate effect cards now for some reason
I’m surprised to see that umezawa didn’t make the cut. Some pretty cool infinite lines with him 😎
Decided to get Shorikai after this vid :P Thinking of more staxy approach, rather than polymorph. Really losing on those white cards we could have had.
All of the counters had me dying laughing!
This is what it looks like when a set only has new control commanders for cEDH XD
I gave up counting study triggers after 50 lol
This game was such a ride
I’m new to the game and was wondering where I can check out Dylan’s deck ?
Wasn't narset on the field at the moment of all of those "may I draw a card" effects?
This game is awesome. And by awesome I mean AWESOME. Also Dylan’s play mat is amazing…… Much love my bois.
Since “reveal” is different than “look,” activating Counterbalance WITHOUT topdeck knowledge does mean it’s just blind sometimes. You can’t look and then decide not to reveal unless a separate card says you can.
Damn this play to win mat from cam looks dope
What a cool game
Never seen a high tide deck go off in cedh
Good showing from Jin-Gi-stax-ias. I'll see myself out
This is the most blue pod ever and I love it
Yeah that game was insane lol jin and shorikai both looked great!
“Rhystic study, rhystic study, rhystic study, you got it….rhystic study, rhystic study, rhystic study, you got it…. HEEYYYYYY ESPER SENTINEL, I’ll pay for nate’s”
- The Play to Win crew