Building a 500 HP Stock Block On3 Turbo Engine Lets Look Inside! Whats my Secret!?
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Here is the video of my rebuilding my stock block 302 HO motor for Project Hotwheels. This is a simple rebuild for the most part with some easter eggs inside! A touch different than my GT40 builds but same concept really. This is a proven build for me for years. This combo made 458 horsepower and 515 torque to the wheels on a MUSTANG dyno. Ran 10.93 at 126 MPH at the drag strip full weight no cheating. im glad I got to share a bone stock rebuild with you all start to finish. I have done GT40 intake and heads for years always wanted to do just bone stock. Check out the videos listed below for full details of a playlist!
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PROJECT HOTWHEELS VIDEOS:
10 SECOND PASS: • 1988 Ford Mustang 70MM...
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One of my favourite things about your channel is that you don't have some lame Intro. You also don't wreck your videos with music. Keep it straight up man!
Thank you!
Agreed, its several channels that shows majority drag racing and think overlaying the car sounds with music is preferred.....unsubscribed after the third video, commented about it and CO said its his channel and does what he wants after 320 likes to my comment and 35 people agreed. Guess he didnt care about subs anyway lol
I can’t stand the fox cast channel. “What’s up everybody. Welcome……to…….the…….channel!” The intro and the clickbait videos are annoying.
i can only guess channels do this to look professional when they want to get sponsors, sell swag, etc.
To those starting out on engine builds, that yellow funnel he's using on the radiator is the $20 headache-remover tool you need. Any time you dump coolant and put more in, you risk creating air bubbles that will cause you all sorts of heat issues even out on the highway as they turn into steam pockets. so, drill a little hole in your thermostat's lip to let the air pockets out of your block's coolant passages, fill the radiator until you're got that funnel halfway full, get the front nose of the car jacked up in the air, and let 'er sit a few hours. like bubbles in a glass of soda pop, your air pockets will move to the highest level, which is that funnel's fluid level. then start the engine and let it evacuate the air that remains--when the upper radiator hose feels warm to the touch and you stop seeing bubbles in the funnel's coolant, you know you're done (that particular funnel design blocks off the overflow tank, which is why it works so well).
I've been an engine fanatic for years and I didn't even know about the offset of the pins in the pistons. That piston flipping is bound to be worth 20 horses. Thanks man. Love your videos.
Without a doubt. IT was engineered in the block for cold weather starting. Pfftt who the fk drives in the snow anymore! Engineer it OUT!
@@Neomustangs I love a 10 pound car with an engine in it that weighs 20 pounds. Lol. If whatever you are driving has too much power to be socially acceptable, then it has ALMOST enough power. Edit......bonus if it's a fox body.
Vance Sloan yes sir!
David Vizard's channel did a dyno test and found 5-10 hp. but if you do enough things to an engine to add power here, there, and everywhere, they add up--for example, a crank scraper can be made for less than a dollar and add 5-10 hp at the higher RPMs. Ford used a longer 289 connecting rod on the Boss 302 to help with dwell at TDC. what these mods often do is change piston speed, and that will affect how the engine pushes out exhaust on the exhaust cycle, and how it pulls in air on the intake cycle. if you match a cam grind to the piston speed, you'll find even more power as the engine works with the changes instead of against them.
I remember watching your stock block shit years ago when you was the only fox channel pretty much.
Ya we came along sense
Hey man how many cans of dye do i need to order to do all my grey interior black ? I was just looking on Forums for an answer and guys were saying it takes a ton of cans. One guy said it took him 3 for dash, 2 on each qr panel, 2 on console, 3 on all the headliner & kick panel trim ? His was brown dyed black.
Bryan Roupe honestly just order 10 cans and get as needed. SEM 15013 landau black.
That's funny at 16:17 the lady walks up and see neo filming and slowly backs up quietly LOL...
Haha my mom
You’re not supposed to give away the piston flip trick bro 😂..great content man
ty!
Every little bit of hp helps 😃 it all ads up this is a great channel you guys are beasts !
I appreciate you.
very well put together video and engine.......i definitely love how you try to share your knowledge ....
Thanks man. Always sharing.
Down to earth and u went step by step on the important shit and I subbed.
Appreciate you
Man one of my favorite channels to watch. You don’t BS around, you strait and to the point and keep it real in what your doing. I’m FORD TO THE CORE!! I bleed Ford blue and have my whole life, first car was a 91 GT 5speed and I loved it. I got a 94-95 cobra for graduation back in 1995 and still got it today, love that car, it’s not the same bone stock car it’s got a Novi on it and it’s a 363 on a R block, the stock engine is in my grandpaws garage. But I’ve probably owned a 100 or more Fox body mustangs, my favorite is the 85 four eyes T-top cars their beautiful. But where in Ohio did you say? I lived in Columbus for 6 years, I got family on the south end on Lockbourne rd, and I lived in Asheville too. Just thought that’s what u said. Awesome job keep it up love the build💯💯
Man thanks again for the king words. I bleed blue too. Im just a car guy and mustang fox bodys to date still one of the best looking cars.
Neomustangs you got that shit right💯💯 Got more 8.2 deck and 9.5 deck parts Fox body parts all the way to the s197 Mustangs in parts. Got probably any interior part or any part you’d need lol Hit me up if ya need anything we got it💯💯 love that blue too by the way 💯🤣💯👍🏻
Excellent video! Keep them coming.👍
TY!
Love the simplicity of the build, well editing made it look simple. Gives me motivation for my 92 coupe. Have a 85gt 306 carb too. I’m 25 from California and would really like to start building blocks with a buddy of mine. My 306 was built by my cousin and I learned a lot from tearing down a few blocks with him. Just want to take a build on mainly just me and a buddy of mine. We both have 4 banger swapped coupes. Thanks for the content been on your channel for a year or so and learned a lot. Love from Cali
Nice man. They are fun to build.
Looks great. I've owned several Fox body Mustangs. These cars are so fun to drive. EXCELLENT job.
Ty!
Damn this channels come a long way Dan, glad to see it's finally Poppin off and that you prove once and again that these motors can make good power with a good tune. Keep it up Brother and I'll keep tuning in all the way from Medellin, Colombia!
Thanks man. It does take a lot of work but it’s fun to me
I figured that I would ask the question about the piston flip 🙃 because of all the time you have been dealing with these cars and engines there is no one better to ask due to all the things that you have seen while restoring and rebuilding these cars.
If you wrote a book on 4 cylinder swap to v8 I would buy it. There are alot of videos but your information and knowledge has no comparison
Ty!
Bro! I live In Sandusky, not too far away. I drive a 93LX with an On3 setup. She made 502hp and 515 ft/lb torque. She still had more to offer, but I didnt want to pop it. Great video. Ill keep that piston swap thing in mind when I get a Mexican block and push for 600hp.
Yea man nice !
Loving your videos. We have a roller block that we build NA for our 64 Ranchero. Runs really strong. .030 over AFR 185 heads big voodoo cam. Single plane intake.
Now we are gathering information and parts for a single turbo blow thru build for the Ranchero. Thank you for good information and no bull shit! I’ll probably be hitting you up for tips when we get closer.
Alright man ! Thanks ! Lmk
Awesome video, you have mentioned flipping pistons in some of your other videos but never explained it. I’ve asked everyone I’ve come across what it is and they look at me like I’ve got three heads. Thank you for explaining it. I have a stock block out of a 92 t bird that I’m putting in my 93lx for my hp turbo build. I have the old Holley systemax 2 h/c/I kit. Do you think I’d have valve to piston clearance issues with flipping the pistons?? Also question on your build, did you get the stock heads decked as well as the block??
Yes just for the deck to be flat. I ran flipped pistons with an e cam so it didn’t have valve problems then. I don’t know past that
The .060 offset also helps with the side loading/wall loading.
Well either way it’s for more than one thing
Good work man.👍🏼
Thanks
Old school guys did that in the mid-late 80s, my ‘88 short block is actually .005 out of the hole stock. I turned them around when I split the first block and it was .022 out so I put them back the original way with the ‘90 block and was dead even with the deck. Glad to see some stock engines with a turbo again, mine is stock except for roller rockers and billet timing set and Victor Jr intake with blow thru carb in my 84 coupe with a turbo made 454/505 on 15psi. Good luck and enjoy the “to the point video.
THx man!
another path towards getting a zero deck or positive deck height (which requires the builder to really WTF about their crushed head gasket thickness) is to use over and undersized connecting rod bearings. a thicker than usual bearing on the connecting rod big end and a thinner than usual bearing in the cap will move the connecting rod higher up the cylinder, and thus the piston's reach when it gets to TDC. for an "at home" blueprinting, this might help someone who is mixing a used block that is already machined with reciprocating parts from another engine (or a stroker setup).
Awesome stuff.
Ty
Love the videos Neo! This weekend I'm installing a rebuilt 306 stock block, stock cam, ProComp 190cc aluminum heads with 1.70 rockers, a Typhoon Hurricane intake, and a 76mm On3 turbo kit tuned with the Quarterhorse. Can you give me some advice on how to break the engine in after getting it up to temp, how much time do you have to seat the rings and what break in oil you use
Drive it on the highway. Get up to about 5k Rpm and let the car “engine brake” or decel itself. Do this about 3-4 x check for fluids on side of road. Rinse and repeat a few times. Be done with it. Your cutting rings if you had those replaced. Trying to seat them
I respect the shit outta this your down to earth doing real world shit road kill did a blow threw carb and and power stroke turbo on a bone stock 5.0 and maid similar power nice car nice rebuild and what a way to make power with a used turbo kit rather then putting 4k in heads cam and intake. And nice touch on the backwords pistons. I seen uncle Tony's garage do tell about doing that.
Nice ! And thx !
How hard would it be for me to get some help putting my 351w bottom end back together my biggest fear is making sure my piston rings are set and gapped right if i could get help doing that and degreeing the cam that would be amazing i dont no who to reach out to or what its my first build any advice would be awesome thanks
i don't give a shit what ANYBODY says but flipping any piston that has an offset wrist pin is definitely going to make more low end torque reason being the Piston loads up faster this is a really old trick it's been proven many times and also disproven by some people but seat of the pants you will definitely feel it! there is a little to zero drawback the only reason the factory used offset wrist pins was to reduce piston slap! I've been doing this for years and never had an issue the only thing I will say is we usually flip the rod so the bearing locating tangs her face and the right way and maybe more importantly the chamfer on the rod is facing the crank the correct way also some engines you can get away with not having to flip the rods tho!
Interesting. Never had an issue with just flipping. Old dirt track trick.
First of all, GREAT video with Very useful info! I heard you say in the video (5:40) you put a girdle on it. That’s interesting bc opinions very greatly on weather they help or not. So I guess you believe they help keep a stock block from cracking/splitting? Or do you just run it to keep all your shit together if it breaks? Lol (some people claim that’s all they’re good for) Did you run one in the black car when it had the stock block 302 with gt40 heads/intake?
I ran hard with and without a girdle. The second block I built for the black car had a girdle on it because I made such a mess when I split the original block. Someone told me “you’ll drive over your rods”. Which means you’ll get oil all over rear and hit a wall. So I run a girdle to prevent that more than anything
Im starting to put together a 351w just throwing it in the car to get it drivable and work out the bugs before i build an actual performance Windsor...im starting to wonder if i should back up and swap pistons like you did and throw some new bearings in and then roll on with what im doing?
So are putting stock bearings and rings in or are upgrading them to and just using the stock piston
I was curious about what a standard foxbody engine config would do with turbo. Found your channel. Very amazing result you have , you are a good down to earth mechanic. Engine runs smooth to, very nice. I am from the netherlands driving a 5.0 turbo V8 is a dream for a European. Ferrari power with stock ford V8 great. I tuned my motoguzzi V2 see my channel , that is more our size 1 liter Haha. And I ride Audi A5 2 liter turbo. Nice power and feul efficiency. For wild ride I ride the motoguzzi cafe Racer. I was interested in fox body Mustang because they have a good size not to big. Good sporty GT size. Only needed that turbo setup.
I was searching for the relation between compression and turbo pressure. I can not find what would be the correct compression ratio in combination with turbo pressure?
@@bottracer depends on the octane levels in the fuel. generally speaking, with a cast iron head, the factory will use an 8:1 compression ratio with single digit boost levels. an aluminum cylinder head resists heat and thus detonation better, allowing almost one point more compression. But let's say you have a small displacement engine, and going one point in compression to 9:1 will give you 4% more power when the turbo isn't running boost (usually a low RPM situation, such as cruising down the highway with the air conditioning on, or just puttering around town in the higher transmission gears). Depending on the weight of the car, that may actually matter, and it will help fuel efficiency. So, you use an aluminum head, or ceramic coat the combustion chamber on a cast iron head, or use higher octane gas...
or...
if you can get the intake, cylinder head, and exhaust system to offer less resistance to the turbo...you don't need as much boost pressure from the turbo to reach the same power level as you had when there was resistance. Boost is often a measurement of resistance since air is "squishy". So, a good intake design, a ported cylinder head, an exhaust system that evacuates the cylinder very well (and a good camshaft design helps as well) and you may find you need less boost, so you can run higher compression. of course, for some people, the only power level they want is "too much!", so the idea of cutting back on boost to just be happy with enough power to get around may seem odd to them.
but if you're building a car to run on the street rather than the track, a small displacement engine with a turbo just giving enough boost for the engine to reach 100% volumetric efficiency (or a little more than that) might give peppy performance and good fuel economy.
Question:
I have a 302 Crate motor and I live in a pretty cold climate.
Is flipping the pistons a wise choice since it can get around 15 degrees F where I live or should I go another route to get more horsepower?
If you feel like it could be a problem don’t do it. For sure.
I got an 88 fox on3 turbo but I'm gonna be using an edelbrock intake with the Holley sniper efi because the car was converted to carburetor, I'm gonna use the Holley sniper for tuning reasons
That’s a good setup man
I appreciate the information and the videos. What transmission are you running?
Rebuilt and reinforced stock T5 trans
You could try some total seal rings >1% had a 351 4b with one plug in it on stand hand cranking it over with breaker bar wouldn’t leak down like stock ring held the compression
True I could
know im a bit late but…will flippin the pistons work on the 94 pistons? also plan on doing this same set up but a bit different jus wondering if it would work
gt40 3 bar heads w trick flow valve spring kit
and the 1.7 rockers?
can i use stock pushrods?
thanks
Do you have a link to your video for factory cam marks ?
Cool vids man. Anyone ever tell you that you look like a white Daniel Cormier? Lol
Lol
Nice!
Thx !
@@Neomustangs Can you flip pistons on a 351w or are there other tricks that could be done?
Just an FYI summit has thread chaser kits like when you walk up to the counter for like $18 or something. I personally prefer those because they’re not as sharp as a tap so less chance of accidentally rethreading the hole. Just my personal preference.
The taps I have are pretty wore out so they’re not sharp but they’re perfect for cleaning up threads and free after their primary use.
My question on the piston flipping is why do you switch holes instead of just turning the piston 180° In the same hole?
The rods would bind up. Only can go one way
What do you gap rings to and what was max boost for 10.93
14.5 pounds. And 24
@@Neomustangs thanks and what's exhaust setup on your dad's car. Very impressive
@@Neomustangs what's exhaust setup on your dad's car?
Awesome videos I will definitely be doing the piston flop on mine 👍🏼 I’m in the Tampa Florida area anyways. Cold weather lol.
What timing/tps would you recommend on my t-5 88gt 87 built. I have full bolt-ons shorties w o/r h-pipe dumps 65mm Tb, 4.10s ,1.7 crane rr , Mickey Thompson s/s. Stock intake heads cam. I trapped 100.1 in the 1/4 in 80 degree weather night down here.
Please and thank you 🚗💨
14 degrees and thanks ! Do it up bro !
Nice video man! I just got a turbo kit today for my 302 what injectors, fuel pump etc. do you recommend ?
340 direct wired pump. stock lines is fine have a nice regulator to adjust. id got with at LEAST 42's.. if not siemen deka 60's..
Cool info bro, we have a lot of cheap 90s falcons down here some with the 5.0 and some with the high hp 351 etc I am not sure if you guys got this motor or not but Aussie fords got em around early 2000s I have been doing the sbe ls Holdens but I’d love to try a turbo v8 falcon they are so cheap to buy right now cos everyone wants the Barra instead, with your info though they could really be a lot of fun to mess with.
For sure!
Awesome video Dan! Seems to run like a dream. I may try your engine break break in myself, I'm having to start all over again with my rebuild I broke an ring land on #1 piston within 150 miles. How many miles before you changed oil and went to wot pulls?
10 miles lol!
@@Neomustangs ok just a quick little break in. Cool. I may try that. Thanks
I looked for some Install videos, I can't figure out what size punch I need to use for the return line I seen u should use a 3/8-18 tap but what size punch for the hole?
3/8 if i remember correctly
I had to look into this "piston flip" because something about it didn't sound right. It made no sense at all that switching an offset thats perpendicular to the stroke would move the piston parallel to the stroke. I've concluded that it does not move the piston up, nor does it increase compression. What it does do is change the rod angle to a more favorable angle for making power. The stock offset increases side load, which decreases piston slap, but that sideload comes at the expense of "downward" force that is applied to the piston. The "flipped" piston with the better rod angle has more piston slap due to decreased side load, but more of the combustion pressure is applied to the crank rather than the cylinder wall. That's how I understand it anyway.
Interesting theory.
So with flipping the pistons does it make the piston to valve clearance less? I have an E303 with gt40x heads in my car I was told that anything bigger than that cam on stock pistons would cause PTV clearance issues.
When you flip pistons on a stock motor you’re OK with GT 40 heads are OK. When you start getting an aftermarket heads you probably should check PTV
Great vids man, what did you use to hone the block ball or stone ? Also what rings and gap?
Ball hone all the way.
Both gapped at 24
Little late but I’m building my fox or trying to and want to boost it with a turbo so is your stock bottom end and stock top end holding up with it boosted? Basically what do I need to do in order for it to be able to handle the boost from the on3 turbo kit
A good tune IMO
So really this engine build only really costs you the time at the machine shop and new bearings if you do the work yourself. And if you have a good engine to start with
Well gaskets. Bearings. Rings. Tools. Ya pretty much
Neo love the videos. Question I pop a head gasket where the water jacket is not between the Cylinders. I use the same head gasket you use on your build & Arp head studs. It’s boosted 12psi also what could have caused this. Thanks for your help.
Warpage id imagine. On the intake or head. I also put a fair amount of orange gasket sealer there
Neomustangs on the head
Hey looking good buddy I just purchased one of these kits last week for my Mustang 1990 . do you ever have any problems with the copper header gaskets leaking With RTV together? Thank you 🙏
Not really. I always make sure it’s got flat flanges
What header gaskets do you run do have a part number sir . Thank you
@@jc-qc3yu I think they are mr gasket? they are good
What's your go to choice for fresh rings & bearings on these stock rebuilds? Way to show off the ol' piston flip. Dad and uncles all did it back in the day too.
End of the video shows the parts I used to
Refresh
Hey Dan I have a question for the piston flip, will it damage the block if you run the car daily.???🤔
No
Are you running stock length push rods whith the Pistons filiped ?
This block is stock all the way around. So yes
I don't know if I missed but what kind d of MAF do you used or did you stayed SD?
Thanks man love your builds
SCT BA5000
I hadn't seen anybody flip the pistons since the early 2000s .
Dunno why you wouldn’t gain as much as possible from a SBe
Haha wrong
Best part is I have done this for years. An none of them had issues. One still runs 6 years later in a buddy’s On3 kit. Bought my whole engine show car with power.
@@Neomustangs lol he doesn't get it . Can't convert every doubter or egg head . Keep doing what you're doing . We know what's up.
@Alpha Wërks Its not just 15/20 hp. Thats NA applications. Its multiplicative with turbos and cylinder pressure. You should know that your an engine builder. No pun of course.
Is buiding a 351w similar? What parts would you suggest for the 351w?
Man just refresh it and send it. Really depends on what your trying to do. Your tune should be your number 1 mod
What would a great stroker kit for my lightning block
ANy quality company will do. Eagle. K1 etc.
That’s a cool video good info to.do you use a blow Thur mass air meter.
Yes SCT BA5000
Neomustangs thanks again you are a big help. Make sure you tell when flipping pistons to make sure the flat sides of the rods face towards each other on the rod journal if they dont it won’t last long some people might not catch that if they never put together a motor for the first time.Well Have a good weekend what’s left.
The chamfer side ? I don’t even think it can rotate if it’s wrong
Neomustangs a old machinists told me he seen it happen years ago a young guy was building his first motor..it was one turned the wrong way bevel side face on the flat side of the other Rod where the Bevel side should face the crank journal.its hole lot of work to rebuild a motor if I can help one person from making that kind mistake.another tip always wash the crank if it’s new or turned and use a small brush to clean the oil holes out of the journals.lay a white T-shirt under the crank when you wash it out and you will be shocked of little piece of metal and grit that comes out of the crank.
Hey man love the the video love they u was showing what u were doing what do you use to prime the oil pump do they sell those rod's or could you just take a old distributor rod! I don't know that's why I am asking u know knock the gear off or just buy oil pump primer rod cause I have my motor it's been sitting a little bit it came from a wreck 94 Cobra it's just a little 306 with some aluminum heads trick floor intake it has a Accel distributor in it has to be changed out any way so I was thinking after I put fresh oil in it just prime it up to get the oil up into the motor thanks man love all ur videos sorry for this being so long!
Its all good man, thats a good idea about the primer.
@@Neomustangs thanks man that's what I will just break a old distributor hey save a few bucks! Can't wait to see the next video!
I just pulled my lower intake off and have a bunch of sludge in the valley. Is there a recommendation for cleaning that out? Is that a symptom of blow by?
Nah just not proper maintenance from previous owners.
@@Neomustangs that's good news! I see that you flipped your pistons, that's pretty slick. Did you have to rebalance anything when you did that?
It seems like that turbo spoils sharply with the new rebuild. Way sharper than other cars. Also, how did the oil look when you drained it? Flaky?
Nope was just fine. Course your gonna find break in stuff but nothing I ain’t seen before
What size piston rings are the 88-92 trw pistons? And what kind of rings do you prefer when you do your rebuilds?
1.5 mm top and bottom. 4.0 oil ring is factory. I always went with total seal file fit. Bout $135 a set.
Neomustangs thanks... keep the vids coming man you have a great channel
Hey Dan, I'm trying to put together a build like this. I've got a explorer short block unknown mileage. Couple questions for you. Do i need to upgrade the rod bolts.
Also bore is standard bore with .003 of taper. What's your take?
Sounds fine. Send it way it is. If there is a slight lip at the top means theres def some ring wear.
@@Neomustangs ok thanks. I got the short block for under a 100 bucks. It also still had original bearings etc.
Wow, what a nice and clean build. One question, which ECU are you using? I noticed you remove all the smog crap and wondering if you use the stock PCM/ECU, I'm thinking on deleting that stuff plus the A/C on my SN95. Loved the video!! Cheers from Mexico :)
Yep. With a custom tune. Thanks for watching !
Neomustangs ,, hey bro any more details on the tune at all? , I have a 306,bought someone’s SCT flip chip for cheap on Craigslist and the car came alive , not sure why or how or how the tune was close enough to help my set up ,, but it worked,?,, is it worth keeping and having reflashed? ,, or save some money and do an aftermarket management system? Your Channel is great ,subscribed
I don’t normally share much tune info like that. The best thing to do is take it to someone who can do binary editor and tuning at a Dyno shop
Does that piston swap thing work for 351s as well??
Never tried it
What sequence did you use when matching the pistons to the cylinders? I know you mentioned P#8 going into C#4... Also can the same technique be applied with aftermarket pistons? Great video ✅💯💯💯
Aftermarket pistons took the offset out of the equation. It only works on stock pistons/rods. And yes 1-4,... 2-5,.... 3-6,.... 4-8 etc.
🏆✅💯
Ty
Hey bro I got a question, what’s the best set up I can run H/C/I to run at least a 100-150 shot? What’s the best heads, cam, intakes, injectors and all that? If you can help lmk brotha!
You can run a simple combo just like this engine here. ANything works with NOS even stock lol!
What valve springs did you use?
Theres mention in the video.
Hey what oil you put in? Like weight and type? Do you put in a break in oil and change weight?
Just use rotella 5/40
Is it possible to do the piston flip trick and run twisted wedge 170’s with the stock cam?
I don’t see why not. However don’t you have to clearance piston reliefs still ?
Neomustangs I didn’t have to on the engine they are currently on. I’m planning on doing a stock bottom end refresh but use my TW heads.
I know which order the Piston rings go in but do they also have to face a certain way ? Love the videos, keep up the good work 👍
Yes they do.
If you don’t face them correctly you’ll get blowby
No true.
@@Neomustangs so you're contradicting your 1st response. Instead of telling the newbie the truth...
The rings are clocked a certain way yes …
How much did you get the block decked by ? Currently in the process of building my first 5.0, is there anyways to contact you directly?
It was decked to about 0
I think the last fox-body 1993 gt had all the goodies in that engine
Ah.
Neomustangs 93s had hypereutectics ah ?
Sam Scornaienchi no Forged trw factory. Hyper factory pistons you can do same thing.
what Lb injectors did you go with ?
42a
When I find a triple white fox convertible, I’m sending it to You. Make it go 10.90’s leaving everything intact and it’ll be good 😬.
Hah ya
Neomustangs back in the 90’s, I had a Vortech blown 1990 GT. It took a lot to get it to run mid 11’s at almost 120 on race fuel, drag suspension, slicks and skinnies etc. now? It’s a walk in the park. Technology is awesome.
Jay Dobbins yes it is
What did you set the timing the second time?
Always set to 10. We don’t go up past 16-17 total timing against 93
Pump fuel
When u flipped them pistons did u have to flip the rods? Or did u use cylinder 4 piston and rod to cylinder 8 or just the piston?
No you stick them in opposite holes. 1 goes to 5. And 5 to 1. 2 goes to 6 and 6 goes to 2. Etc
Dave Miller keep the piston pinned to the rod. Do not change the orientation of the piston to the connecting just. Just flip to the other bank on the while. Same journal on the crank. 1 to 5 2 to 6 etc Bc the rods can only go one way on the crank. There is a chamfered side on the big end of the rod and that goes towards the counter weight or fillet area on the crank. Not sure if all oem ford pistons are like this but the 1989 had a oem forged piston. Good luck.
Yes. 87-93 all had pistons offset like this. So didn’t explorers up to 01
Thanks guys
What head gaskets are you using
Felpro 9333 PT1
Neo great videos bro! Love the Channel! I have a stock 302 stock cam Trickflow 170 heads 1.7 rockers & v3 Superchager 10 pounds of boost. What’s the hp limited for a stock 302 block? People say 500hp at 5500 rpms. Is this true? Just checking any info would be helpful . I’ve never had my car dyno I’m estimating I’m making 450-500hp.
I've heard when you're getting to 450-500 HP you are close to the point where the block could crack. I imagine some can handle it, others can't. Just what I've heard. Could be wrong.
Been doing it for years Doug. Block cracking has a lot to do with proper tunes and abuse for the most part.
@@Neomustangs Cool... I've been a little paranoid about it, myself... it's kept me (along with cashflow hehe) from doing all I want to do to my 87 GT... Glad to hear you've been able to do it successfully!
Doug FA ya thanks man !
@@Neomustangs Definitely, brother! I'm stuck at around 300 HP/350 TQ with my HCI Fox... and it's a LOT of fun, but I would like to take it farther. To be honest, I'm not racing it or anything... I mostly just cruise and get on it when I feel like it. But it would be nice to know I could get down if I really wanted to...LOL. Your videos definitely have me interested in this kit.
Could elaborate a little more on piston backwards idea. What's the reasoning behind it? You got me more than a little curious. Thanks
I explain why in the video I thought
@@Neomustangs you did sorta, lol. I was thinking that a zero deck block with stock rods, pistons would be zero deck. Best I can tell from video is that piston comes out of bore a small amount. Am I correct in what I was seeing. Not trying to be a pain brother. Just trying to understand what your doing.
I took the 60 thousands offset the piston rod sits on the piston and made it work for me. The wrist pin sits 60 thousands (I think that’s the measurement) offset to eliminate cold weather piston slap. I turned that offset around and made it come up the hole more.
Thanks brother.
Looking for Dyno tune shop in Cleveland,
S95 1997 Cobra with Terminator swap
TI dyno. Saybrook Ohio where I go.
By flipping the pistons does it really have a longer stroke? Or is it upping the compression?
It’s basically just taking that offset out of the throw. So ya upping the compression a bit I would think.
Might just change position in the hole compared to what used to be TDC. Kinda hard to picture it all.
Thanks for the reply though. Cool setup. Crazy that it only has 2 bolt mains. I'm building a 49 chevy truck with a 350, roller cam, aluminum heads backed by a nv3500. Will have to throw a turbo on it a couple years from now.
@@johnboticki9154 #2 main is the one that always goes first tho. But ya, it changes the offset and puts the piston literally at 0.
By moving the offset to the other side not only does it make the piston travel higher in the vote it also changes the angle at which the rod shoved down on the crank it actually has more leverage to push the crank kinda like a stroker.
That is correct
Can I do all of this and still run an auto four speed?
Yes this is engine only
What do you think now about the piston swap a year later?
You mean hypers?
No.. the reverse.. do you hear piston slap or have u seen metal in oil? I wants to do the reverse piston for the 302 so bad. .. just didn't know if the wear is truly worth it
i have been following your ebay store for a while and was wondering if you would ever considering building s similar motor and selling it as a whole on your ebay store
Yes
Neomustang what size slick do you run on project Hot Wheels
26
Are they 8 inches wide?
very very strange way to build a 302 engine.but it runs dam good.bbbbooooooooosssttt baby
Told ya. It’s an old dirt track trick I learned. When classes had rules
I have a 302 Windsor, all the good stuff in it, forged bottom end MSD / AFR heads all that stuff . I would absolutely not bother running boost in these engines. OE blocks are trash.
That said your cars fucking sweet bro very nice love the fox bodies. We cant get them were i am :)
Thx man! And sorry about your luck with 302s
ENGINE!
STOCK!
How much you charge to do a rebuild like this one?
It depends really
What’s up neo been a fan for years and would pay great money for great help do you work on or provide a one time service like this i have a 93 lx would love to build exactly like this please help a fix brother out
It is possible for side work yes. Contact me instagram or facebook.
What tune software?
Binary Editor I use Moates Quarterhorse.
Like to see what a simple bolt on of 1.72 Ford roller rockers Would do Wake up that monster
I was JUST thinking the same thing. Those ARE considered factory still
Yes it wakes up the motor I’ve done that mild ported stock heads grind out the exhaust bump top and sides leave the floor tulip the intake an blend the port seemed like the engine didn’t want to stop pulling third was like first simple an fun it did take some hrs to do but we raced it a lot stock heads an headers aftermarket intake so they thought use to eat up them iroc comaros
Yep some 1.7 cobra rockers I think would be helpful.
I’ve used 1.7 rockers for years
Neo Do you have a set of piston and rods for sale from 87to92 I have a 95 block that is boosted
I do.
@@Neomustangs would you like to sell them and are they in decent shape besides the Rings. I'm getting a 20% when I do a cylinder leak down test on my motor so I figured if I'm going to open motor up I might as well throw a factory TRW pistons in
Sure send me a message on Facebook or instagram
@@Neomustangs ok sent
What color did you paint the engine?
New ford gray ?
@@Neomustangs Thanks. I thought it may have been old Ford dark gray, but it had too much blue in it.
What did you take off the top
What did i take off?
On the block
@@alexgarza2759 10 THOU
what do you do for work
Fox bodys.