BALLISTIC BOLT ONS & BOOST-5.0L FORD
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- FULL BOOSTED RESULTS. MAX MODS FOR THE 5.0L FORD. What is Your Favorite Performance Mod? We test headers, intakes, cams, aluminum heads, nitrous and turbos on the 5.0L 302. We ran them all individually to demonstrate the gains offered by each. If you want to know what MODS works-it's all here.
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this channel is so great.. it removes all the "my dads mustang made 500hp with just an intake and tune" kinda posts
Yeah lmao I love it
What kind of intake Gt40?
Kinda.
Yes let’s see the sbf head test
If I recall, there are several of them Rich did. One on a 306ci shortblock, then on a 331, then a 408, with increasingly sized intake runners. Highly recommend "Dyno-Proven Small Block Ford Performance" by Richard Holdener. Some fantastic information in that book!
I second that, want to find the best heads for my combo
One of the best automotive related channels on TH-cam!
I'm really digging these 5.0 videos, I just got all my old MM&FF mags out of storage the other day. I must have about 4 or 5 years worth from 2000-2004.
Richard to the rescue. A shitty day today, but some good engine/dyno video is just what I needed even if it was a Ford.
Jeff Clark at the end of the day I’ll take any classic American car than a Japanese shit box
Extrude Hone is something i have not heard in a long time
Been around for a long time .
Makes two of us!!! I think i have some old mags with their ad in them.
Wade N Extrude hone is a process not a place. It’s also known as an abrasive flow machine.
It’s expensive it works if you want to look stock but doesn’t make sense for the price vs a new performance. Intake manifold that flows much better and looks cooler under the hood
Yeah right, it basically doesn't good power per price so people lost interest
380 ft pnds of tq is stout in a fox body. One request i have for this motor (if its still around) is all out N/A radical cam short runner intake high flow heads run it until it stops making power or dumps its guts. I hardly ever see them fly apart. Asking for a friend.
A Parker Funnel Web intake would be nice to see compared to a Victor Jr.
over 20 years ago, i built a 306 sbf, stock rods home polished, arp bolts for most everything, home ported twisted wedge heads, setup the springs myself with titanium retainers, dss tw flat top pistons +0.010 above deck arp studs, basic home port matching/porting vic jr intake, port match mac 1-3/4 lt's, lunati 244/254 duration cam, custom length push rods and chevy 1.6 RR's, coz no tw rockers at that time for my setup.ran mid 11's @ 119-120 mph shifting at 6800 with 4.30 gears in a 3000.lbs fox body, was pretty quick for NA back then.....the engine did feel like a 2 stroke though, it pulled til my rev limiter at 7k but could't shift it there.
really wanna see a max effort na build
Loving the 5.0 stuff richard 👊 truly a game-changer motor back in the day and still relevant today as shown in your tests! Favorite mod on the old fuelie is the vortech centrifugal supercharger, by far💪Rising boost curve & torque for days!
This takes me back...the Hooligan Hot Rod was my favorite 5.0L project back in the day - 11s on a junkyard motor with a turbo kit. I think it was AOD, too.
The long tube part of the test is exactly why I love them, they’re always good for power on almost any engine.
Keep the ford stuff coming i love the information thanks as always
This was like a years worth of MMFF articles that u wrote. Thank u sir!!!
I love the video!!! I've had BBk equal length shorties since 2000 and I've never had a problem with burning wires or anything. I'm going to try out the cam you mentioned!! Thank you for an awesome video
Thank you Richard! Keep up the good work. Look forward to your videos!
Ty for all the time and info for all of us that can use all this good info. I have a 94 mustang gt with a sbf 347 I love these little engines!
Wow never been this early before! Keep up the great work Richard!
Never stop Richard!
Great work @Richard Holdener, I love seeing features on the old 5.0. I am running a stock bottom end 87 HO. I fly cut pistons myself, XE274HR, AFR 185s, Weiand Stealth with 1inch spacer, Holley 650 double pump with long tubes. Works great, 1 inch spacer made a big difference. Keep up the good work.
Excellent test
Owned numerous bolt on Fox Mustangs...loved them all!
I'm glad you mentioned splitting the block. I split the block in 3 junkyard engines in one of my turbo foxbody cars before I moved up to a 5.8 block.
Wow! Stock block 5.0 made some power.... sorry but boss 351 Ford engine will always be my favorite. 2nd boss 302. Awesome show Richard... thanks for posting
Thank you for all your videos looking forward to that had test from back in the day I have a set of Windsor juniors on A351 Windsor
Awesome Tests Richard!
Awesome information -
Brings me back to the days of my 87 GT 5.0 and reading Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords. I had no money for these expensive upgrades, so I just had Flowmasters.
Thanks for the Ford 5.0 content 😎
Had a 95 with e streets , performer rpm , stock cam & 3.73's , it rolled out pretty good
I run this cam in my 89lx because of the article in MM&FF you did yrs ago on cams where you swapped a ton of them in a test motor on the dyno. I ran ported stock heads for awhile and until i got a good deal on a set of Canfield 192cc heads. Which you never hear about anymore, but were sweet back in the day. With that and the ported GT40 intakes it runs pretty good! Of course i've had the car for over 20yrs now.
nice-that cam test was way back
@@richardholdener1727 I'm sure i still have the magazine somewhere in my collection! I remember you stating that the silicone wasnt even dry when you were swapping the cams.
Wow this is a hell of a test!
Loving the sbf love. And can’t wait for the head test results. Looking to swap heads/cam/intake on my 94 Cobra
I recommend the 190cc 11r trickflow theyre some of the baddest heads for the old 5.0s seen em tested in mm&ff while back they did killer...got around 400 horsepower out of a 302 cube motor with stock compression with a cam and intake manifold also. This was on an engine dyno but still very impressive...it was just over 400 horse actually
Heads ,cam and intake manifold 302 is a fun little street combo in a mustang . It’s like night and day the stock 5.0’s feel like they hit a wall in the upper rpm range .
Love the SBF content
Heads are my favorite upgrade. Love my AFRs.
About time!!
Heads Cam intake combo!
Nitrous goes well to!
I like how you test the cam first, it repesents backyard budget guys. Cam intake and headers was always my first as a young guy, then posably heads later
on sbf heads are a must so if you're that far in might as well do H/C/I assuming exhaust was already done by most as a 1st mod anyway.
YOURE A MADMAN! MADMAN I TELL YA!
I have a stock 113,xxx mile 1993 bottom end in my 1993 GT. Trick Flows H/C/I combo (stage 1 cam .499/.510 & Street Burner intake) N/A with full accessories and T-5 it made 284RWHP/320Tq. I added a V2 Strim with a Treadstone Intercooler. With a 6.87 lower and a 3.12 blower pulley it made 13.8psi and 509rwhp/489tq. Safe tune w/21° of timing. Other parts: Fuel- 42lb injectors, Aeromotive 340 pump & Regulator, factory lines. Exhaust- BBK equal length, O/R H pipe, magnaflow straight thru mufflers.
nice
the thing i like about shorty headers is the maintenance. it's the only benefit other than cost. in the day i had a stock fox with ac and full interior running 7:50's with a 150 shot. it had 4:10's and 50/50's and was a "dog" on the streets. but prep it for some 1/8 mile runs and it was very hard to beat.
Cheers,alot of info ,luv it
I always wondered if the block splitting was a myth. Now I know. Awesome work.
Ive seen photos of the all 5 main saddles pulled out of the bottom, caps still bolted on. The blocks do break its just a question of where and how and how much power.
Its not a myth.. they will spit right in half!
Ran the xe274hr cam in a stock shortblock (92 w/hyperuetectics), a set of worked e7te's with gt40x head valvetrain with no problems. And i ran it hard! It also had a ported explorer lower and a ported lighting upper.
Great videos 👍🏻
I love the basic combos and comparisons! Mostly because that fits my budget. But the one overlooked comparison is modifying stock heads for performance. I don’t have $1200 for aluminum heads, but what I do have, is a pair of 70 351w, and a set of 66 289’s and maybe enough sense for some home porting. Lol. How about a basic 302 and 351 builds with the financially challenged in mind? Love the channel!👍🏻
I'd love to see a video on all the heads you tested.
Great info thank you ! 👍👍👍👍👍
This was good thanks Richard even though I can’t stand 5 L, I did on an 86 GT with the 5 L and it was fun
Nice old school stuff that was fun
Currently building a 69 fastback mustang. I am super interested in any and all sbf content you have.
Keep up the good work!!!
Great work Mr. RH! Thank you for answering the HP advantage of a shorty vs long tube header. If I've learned one thing from RH's channel is to max your NA engine combo and then add boost. When adding a turbo system, should one attempt to run long tube headers, or focus on an exhaust system with min bends and a direct path to the turbo(s)?
The SBF (302ci) block splitting problem, is this limited to roller lifter blocks, and not an issue with vintage (1968 to 1978?) hydraulic tappet blocks? If building a track only, high rpm (5k plus RPM) combo, what is the boost/HP limit? Thank you.
As far as the power levels. They are similar to my real world experience short of power adders.
My combination started with a stock engine, a timing bump, and a full mac system with smog and cat delete. It made 219/290 at the wheels.
AFR 165s, E303, 1.7 rr, tube GT40, 70MM TB/ anderson power pipe made 278/300 ish.
The switch to a Holley Systemax and accufab 75mm made 330/335.
-Swapped out the E303 for TFS1 and 30lb injectors
338/365.
All on the same MAC shortys and new Flowmaster 2 chamber cat back.
You just helped me lose a 20 year old bet about shorty headers, damn it Richard. :) The stock dented, mangled ones just can't work in my mind.
I would love to see this “Head Challenge”
I started with rebuilding my short block and added a lunati cam with 544/560 lift 232/242 duration on a 108 centerline, added twisted wedge heads with Harland Sharp 1.7 Roller rockers. Saved money up and then added a GT 40 intake and a 75 mm accufab throttle body with a 70mm mass air meter. After breaking valve springs a couple times I then changed cam out to a blower cam and added a procharger with an air to air intercooler. Had 13.5 lbs of boost. Don't know how much power it was making but I could blow the tires off really easy at 50mph lol I also had a crane intercepter II to tune it with. Still have the car today just like that. Have a 93 GT with same setup but has a kenne bell on top of it. Not a comparison in power the procharger way stronger.
Great to see this info. I run that same comp cam in my cobra clone convertible "tarheelfox"
Great video Rich! I actually read, read, then re-read your "Dyno-Proven SBF Performance" book and chose this cam for my first 347 build because of it. With ProComp 190cc heads, an air gap intake, about 10.5:1 compression, 1 5/8" headers and a 750cfm carb I ended up going 11.31 at about 117mph at 2880lbs race weight with that combination!
I actually followed another combination of yours shortly after with the same short block, AFR 205 Renegade heads, a Victor Jr intake, XR292R solid roller, 1-3/4" headers, and a 780cfm carb. Ended up going 10.84 at 121mph with that combination at roughly the same weight.
I'm a bit of a SBF addict! Love seeing different combinations and dyno curves from various setups. I currently run an old school iron-headed Boss 302, which doesn't use a lot of off-the-shelf parts, but I love that aftermarket parts availability is thriving for these engines. Keep up the great work!
nice et on 1st combo but the mph seems low, was it over geared for that cam/intake combo.
What did you do for an intake manifold on that boss 302? I recently acquired a 1970 boss 302 with a tunnel ram. I'm considering a single plane if i can find one.
Richard, did I notice a stud conversion on the e7 head to hold up better to the valve spring. I have that cam but never installed it because I questioned the pedastal strength with the increased spring load.
Great vids btw. I remember reading alot of the articles you have brought to video. Thanks so much for your content.
Comp used to sell adapter studs that were 5/16 on the bottom and 3/8 on the top so you could put adjustable rockers on without machining. Most guys just bit the bullet and went aftermarket because the investment into machining a factory set of heads if you needed a valve job would get you half way to a cheap set of aluminum heads. I hated using shims to set lifter preload, what a hassle.
@@timothybayliss6680 l know exactly what you're saying. Who wants to invest any money into E7s. I'm not even a fan of gt40s.
There are so many great aluminum heads produced now. I really like the trick flow high ports and the larger AFRs with raised exh ports.
The cheap guy in me is still curious how some of these issues are dealt with. Besides a valve spring upgrade and stem seal replacement, I wouldn't waste money on stock heads. Thanks for the response Tim.
Interestingly, your "favorite" XE 274 HR cam is so close to my preferred all around favorite go to cam for both SBC & SBF, which is the XR 276 HR, (which are offered in both 110° & 112° LSA, but sometimes is listed as XE 276 HR, especially when a 112° LSA grind). Both the 274 & 276 are close grinds, but obviously different, which in truth can make those differences in a specific build.
I am a GM guy 1st, & Corvette guy in my heart & soul! My brother is a Ford guy, go figure we should beef with each other right? Well absolutely not, & actually not only do I like Ford & he likes GM , & because we both have been building high performance engines & high end custom cars for over 20 years now, & so we can both see, admire, &/or admit the pros & cons of each, & also other brands. Honda makes great cars! Also a 500hp 4 cylinder is bad ass!
Back in the early to mid 90's I had a 84 Camaro, in which I took the stock 305 out & converted it to a 350 TPI & took the IROC-Z body kit from an 87 or 88, oh & added a Richmond 5 speed. Eventually that wasn't enough, & so built the engine up to a respectable 485HP / 460TQ , which was alot in those days. Not much could touch me, "my muscle car". Until I lined up with this 4 banger Honda, & I laughed, thinking this poor kid doesn't have a chance. I had him off the line, my torque couldn't be matched, but within a short time I heard the spooling of those turbos, the tell tale B.O.V.'s & he was gone! It was embarrassing. My bad ass black on black, blacked out (murdered out, before that term existed ) Camaro just lost to a Ricer, no way! Well it did, & after talking to the guy, & opening my horizons, & so I left my prejudices behind me. Learned to respect any car, & any build, etc when it deserved it.
Same with the Ford thing, when your a Chevy guy, & you tear down & build enough of them & compare characteristics & differences between the two, you can actually understand respect all of these. The SBC & SBF are great engines in their own right, both had their flaws in their own right too.
The nice thing about turbos is that they increase power EVERYWHERE. You don't have to give up power down low to gain power upstairs. Even at 3000 theres about a 70% increase.
yes
Loving these videos Rich, thanks for the content. What is it that you like so much about that cam over all the other sbf cams?
Do you have any 351w build ups similar to this? I am picking up a 65 Fairlane sports coupe in a few days and dropping my roller 351w into it. Looking to do a basic cam swap intake and carb on it. Any suggestions on a cam for that kind of set up?
This channel is worth more than toilet paper right now
Good stuff!!!
I read a head shootout in mmff way back around 2004. I think was the reason i chose afr 165s for my stock bottom end 5.0
Install a Y or H pipe if using shortie headers you get about the same as long tubes most of the time a few horsepower more than long tubes alone. At least that's what we have found testing cars on our chassis dyno. Cool video, that's a lot of work . Thanks
I would like to see the video testing different heads.
NICE Study.....
Richard I’m doing a budget build with my Fox. Loving the SBF info. I guess I should of went long tube instead of shorties lol. Not sure if I should list all the parts but the biggest reason I call it a budget build is the $75 I spent for the explorer intake and GT40P heads. Heads were personally gone thru, Comp valve springs installed and will be running the Comp XE274. Did you by chance test the GT40 head or the P head with the XE274? I understand the smaller P chambered head should also raise my compression. Great vids sir
I enjoy this a lot!! I love doing h/c/I swaps and now are getting into rebuilding the hole short blocks. That was great gains! I'm assuming that motor was a 306. What was the compression ratio?
As a small block ford guy who's discussed all of these things at length its great to have hard evidence to verify everything.
Yes! Let’s see some ported e7 testing, explorer head testing. All the cheapo parts!
Normal Bike Guy I just picked up a set of gt40p heads and intake for 100$
junkyard Explorer is a good source
Nice job Richard! I would love to see a test with your GT40 intake and a set of iron GT40 heads (the real ones, not the GT40P) with this cam as I'm building my 302 with GT40 parts but don't know which cam route I'm going... Keep up the great work and long live to all American V8s 😉
you may need to upgrade the valve springs and rear end gears for that cam consider the TFS trackmax stage 1 cam the stage 2 is similar to the 274xe.
Love your scientific approach Richard! I have a 96 5.0 bronco with maf. I was wanting to do a Holly systemax, heads, and cam in it with the goal of making 350hp. Is there a way to tune the factory ecu to handle a set up like the one from this video (pre nos and turbo) or do I have to do stand alone?
Still waiting for the comparison of turbo long tube headers versus same flowing log manifolds. Curious if the back pressure from the turbo effects the long tube gains. Would also be a good test to run a fixed dyno load amount and measure the time to accelerate between the two to see if the long tubes add a bunch of turbo lag in normal use.
im planning on upgrading my 94 f150 this will help alot
Wow, I expected alot more out of it with those heads and cam in N/A configuration. I think I'll stick with the 351. Thanks for the Ford content.
the extra cubes always help. i believe this build most likely had less than 9:1 comp if i recall those heads have 62-64cc chambers.
\Thank you for another SB Ford build. Would love to see another 347 Ford build testing the funnel Webb the Victor JR a Super Victor and the new AFR single 4 v manifolds. Another would be the TFS . Thank you.
Awesome video bro!! Any love for the 351w?
great info! proves that there's alot of misinfo from others
87-93 Mustangs should have 14 degrees of timing, 3.73 gears, flow masters, h-pipe, and cold air kit as soon as you get it. That's what we did anyway, good power pick up!
Thats pretty much what i did to my customers fox. Only thing we didnt do was re gear it.
So, every mustang ever...Got it.
@Frank Bonazza III this is true. This mustang didnt like more than 12 degrees of timing lol. The stock shit liked 15 degrees 😆
Great video Richard. Could you do the same for the 5.4 3V? At what point do you ditch the VCT?
would be cool to see some 351w stuff. heads, cam, intake. turbo, nitrous, all the norm that you do but with a 351w from a ford truck.
I need this video for the 4.6 2v Big Fella
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I saw a loss when I switched from BBK equal shortys. The were worth about 7-10 over jet hot coated MAC shortys. But at least my AC liquid line was happy.
Richard I’d love to see an Olds 455 build. I don’t know much about them but my dad had one in his jet boat. I always loved the sound it made. Tunnel ram maybe?! Thanks 😊
Great bolton buildup video.
How about a gt40 vs gt40p
Head dyno comparison. Heads straight out of Junk yard. Limited prep clean, psi test, valve springs and seals.
Bad ass!
Thank god there is hope for power in my Mustang Gt
Hey Rich! You ever mess around with "Anderson" camshafts? I had the N-41 in my 302 with ported 3-bar gt40's, longtube headers, typhoon intake, 24lb injectors, and 75mm tb in my '91 GT.
It was a lot of fun with the 3.73's and t5. The t5 didnt last long, tho.
I found it interesting that the cam picked up power. Everyone on the Mustang forums says that a stock engine does not benefit from a cam.
Gotta have the PCM tuning to support any piece of hardware to get real gains
Yes more ford stuff
Making me want another 5.0 😬 my old 87 notch was a blast to rip a round and probably only made 250whp
Yep, once you take the 302's small ports and valves (which made its famous torque) off it, you've got a short stroke engine wanting a lot of revs to make its power higher up the graph.
What also seems to hurt a 5.0 block is a power adder kicking in around 3,000 RPM, the fuel injectors may not be adding enough fuel that low if there's too much boost or nitrous needing fuel to burn and it isn't there until after 4,000 RPM.
Richard, I can see this from your side, but testing each of them, singly, in the test configuration would give each mod a specific and discrete value. Yes, the numbers, as you combine two or three together will come out higher. For most, it runs to one of your frequent descriptors- bang for the buck is the "best order" to accumulate these sorts of mods. Maybe a thought would be "the whole is greater than it's parts"?
One more thing and just the point. Stock headers vs equal length bbk. Which to me were the most popular and did not fit my 87 t bird at all.
I'm starting to recognize your go-to cams, so I know about what they'll do to the torque curves. Thanks.
this is my favorite 5.0L cam for street use-don't have other engine family favorites
the trick flow stage 2 is similar and costs less, it is basically a crane cams part. used it in a 331 build for both efi tfs-track heat and carb air gap,makes for a good street cam, with 3.73 gears makes lots of decent low end and mid range power with tfs tw 180 heads and 10:1 compression for NA use, also consider smaller chamber heads for NA since allot of 5.0 pistons are below deck and a short stroke it call be harder to up the compression, gasket selection should also be considered.
A gt40 head test would be awesome
Do you have a letter cam test? B/F/X/E
I would have loved to see the trickflow box-R manifold on this combo.
appreciate the grind RH. You gotta be wore out by now
Just had another challenge idea. I’m going to be running an xe274hr with a set of Systemax heads that have been professionally ported and milled to achieve 10.5:1 compression. That being said, I was going to get Ed Curtis to build a camshaft for me but he explained that the springs I have wouldn’t work with the camshaft he’d build for me. I’d already spent $300+ on beehives and components to use them so I dipped out. Just curious if you’d be interested in doing a custom cam dyno test vs your favorite camshaft.
it is easy to make more power than the XE274HR cam
Would it be possible for you to do the 3.7 v6 that’s in the 2011 and up mustangs? That would be cool. Maybe not though, pretty small audience for it