Why Small Subwoofers May Be All You Need - SAVARD 6.5 and 8 inch
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SAVARD 6.5 and 8in Subwoofers - RAP and Hi-Q
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NIce! can i buy your savard demo setup when you're done reviewing ??
Hey what is the spl test track and where can I get it
Those old Savard ad pics remind me of looking through old JC Whitney catalogs. You know, how we shopped before the net.
100%
Man i miss those days. I’ve spent countless hours thumbing through JC Whitney catalogs.
Ah yeah, the catalog days... Dreaming about stuff I couldn't afford, and mailing in a check for the cheap stuff!
Or fingerhut 😅
One time, I actually went to the bank and got a money order, and got the order form all filled out, and almost mailed it, before something came up and i had to use the money order. But I spent 100s of hours shopping. Those catalogs were every bit as magical, if not more so, than shopping on the internet. I always ended up getting subwoofers when the super sales would roll through town once a year. @gregkrueger331
Hey Big D, would you consider making a video that shows us the difference in low frequency response vs driver size? Like what is the lowest usable frequency a 6.5” driver can do, vs an 8” a 10” a 12” and a 15”? Would be a fascinating video! Thanks!
Yep this would be an awesome and informative comparison.
😮
The smaller the driver, the more power you need to feed it to compare to a larger driver's cone area. You'll also generally need to build an enclosure that's larger than manufacturer's recommendation to get comparable sub bass response. This (among other factors) makes overexcursion more of an issue.
Let's say you have one 12" driver, running at 500 watts or so. I don't know enough about the math to give specifics, but you'll have to run a good amount more power to an 8" or 6.5" with crazy x-max to get similar output.
I do like 10" drivers for not announcing your arrival to everyone within a half block of your location, relatively compact, and easily outperforming smaller drivers of a similar price point.
There's no cutoff ... I mean my in-ears pump out 20hz!
@@FOH3663 in-ears have to move a LOT less air.
I recently tried running eight 6.5” woofers(not subwoofers) in infinite baffle in a Toyota Corolla. These woofers were super cheap at only $8 each. I took extra care to fully seal the trunk from the cabin, which I believe helped tremendously. They were all ran off of a JP8 wired to 2 ohms.
How did they sound?
Well, even though they have an FS of 51 hz, they put out useable output down to 30 hz where they started dropping off, and GREATLY dropped off at 25 hz where excursion limits were very easy to hit.
Overall though they sounded pretty good without taking up any trunk space. Most people thought I had a pair of 10” subs in the trunk and were shocked when I showed what it actually was!
You don't even have to ask. Of course we want to know more about the high performance 12" Savard. 😁
I second that.
No, I want to know about 4 inch subwoofers
Not all custom boxes will cost $500+ ✌😉👍 Ive sold several for around $250, just depends on what you want. Plexi windows are what drives the price through the roof tbh... They are nice but not needed
My custom enclosure for the 18” sub cost me just $50 and moving windows @ 17Hz.
@@Bassotronics$50 isn't going to buy the material for an 18" ported enclosure.
@@REH86
It does for mine and I got it installed in my car.
It’s $20 sonotube and $15 worth of pvc tube plus screws n glue. But I got em on sale.
EDIT:
I forgot to add an extra $20 for the wooden baffle that goes on front and rear of the tube.
@@Bassotronicssweet, do you have any videos??
@@Bassotronics Yep an all the parts are at you Local Home Depot!!! 😅
The Hi Qs are great for the price. I wanted to add a little bass to my truck. I was into car audio in the 90s. I started off with 2 6s, then 2 8s, then 2 10s, all HI Qs.
Now I have 2 Xv3 12s on 8k...lol..I feel like a kid but now I can actually afford quality products...Looking at 15s now hahaha...
My next system will be 4 Dd 6.5" subs powered by a DD amp under the rear seats in a Ram Quad cab.
M. B. Enclosures showed the combination hitting over 140db in a daily driver configuration. Sold!
It all depends on how low you want to go. I ran 3 DD 6.5s (500 series, not the 1506) ported under the cargo floor of my SUV on the 5th channel of a DD 5.1500, the clarity was amazing and it got pretty loud but the basshead in me wanted just a little bit more low end so I built a sealed box for 2 DD SL600 shallow 12s. Both setups are totally hidden and don't use any cargo space, you can't see them but you can hear them. Every few months I switch between the two setups, I like the thought of 6.5 subs sounding that good but I also like the thought of fitting 12s in a super small space...good luck with your build.
lol,…
Cool, but why did you decide to talk about that on a video for Savard speakers?
@@ride.quality he was talking about small subwoofers and I agree. I didn't say anything bad about Savard, just added my thoughts. Are you against free speech?
I feel like newer 8 inch subwoofers have better x-max and a lower overall frequency response compared to older 8 inch subwoofers that had a tiny surround and spider with a small voice coil.
I think thats kinda obvious, better manofacturing
With the affordability these days of insane amounts of power , it had to happen .
The old small voice coil and magnet designs would simply burn like Cali with what folks can throw at em now .
Foe sho
I put an 8" sub/amp combo in my vehicle, other than not shaking the neighbors china cabinet, it checks all my boxes.
I have 4 DD 8's in a ported box in my Grand Am on 2 DD 1500 amps and they are tearing my car up.
I had a small box with a JL 6.5.
I liked it.
@@volvo09I repurposed an 8" JBL home theatre sub,and it performs better than I expected. This thing is 25 years old too
I must say... those Savard Sub boxes look like they are built extremely well while clearly looking more costly than the price they sell for.
The fit and finish just looks really clean, while they further look solid and stout. 🔥💪🏽
‘than’ not ‘then’
@@thelowprofile9767Corrected. Thank You.
I used to have 2 Savard 15” in a custom ported box in 1989 and that enclosure was clean and very loud. Loved em.
Keep it coming. 10" and 12" were my go-to for car audio in the 90s
I remember running a bandpass 12 back in the early 90s. Had friends with them also. They rocked hatchbacks. Have a box I recently built with four 8s waiting for me to get my truck back together.
We put two of the Sarvard audio HiQ 6.5 in my GF's Scion TC hatchback and it surprises EVERYONE who's heard it. Sets off car alarms too!! I have a build coming with six HiQ 12's on two JP43's running on 15.6V @.67 ohms in a ported enclosure Sarvard audio designed!!!
Man, your trip back through memory lane reminded me of my 1979 Honda Civic which I installed four 6x9s in a big box that I filled with foam, and installed four tweeters, two MB Quart 5x7 split sets in the dash, and a Soundstream Reference 1000 watt 4 channel amp.
Ran 3 JL Audio 6W0’s in a ported box in my Ranger. Sounded awesome.
I’ve been using 8” subs since the late 80’s because I’m more of an sq guy. For all but the loudest listening levels they provide proportionate and accurate bass. I have vintage JL, MTX, and Rockford Fosgate sets in addition to the Image Dynamics that I currently run. I will be adding a pair of Savards to my inventory.
I had a couple 10" MTX in a shitty box I got for free and damn was it banging. Miss those subs, was my first system.
Driver diameter determines frequency at which the driver begins beaming ... that's all.
No connection to cone diameter and any sound quality characteristic.
@@FOH3663 spoken like a true google expert.
I loved my Savard RAP 15s back in the day.
Definitely wanna see the larger sub too! Great video
The stereo shop down the road from my house use to have a Savard truck in its showroom. It was a Nissan Hardbody with a snug top filled with 15” subs and amps. That truck was the catalyst to my audio obsession. This was around 1995-1997.
Was literally designing a box for 2 6.5 subs
this is perfect!
Definitely want to see more from the Savard line of speakers. Thanks for Sharing!
I had a set of the Savard Pro Series 12” subs in a ported box back in the late 80’s. They were in a hatchback and sounded amazing.
I have a 97 f250 4dr. I did 6 sundown 6.5W's with a tramps 3k. I am very impressed. Had 6.5X's but wouldn't take any power. I still have great leg room I back seat.
There is a true relation between the 12 inch size and the targeted sound a sub is used for. Not saying other sizes won't sound good but there are still compromises.
❤ love the positive energy of a good vibe teasers
Looking forward to seeing the elite series. Keep up good work.
I haven't thought about Savard in a very long time!
Very cool.
YES YES!!! I want to see the 10 and 12 Savard soon really impressed by everything else BRING IT!!! can't wait
Hell yeah!! I appreciate the advice and info and I want to see the 12”!!!
I had 2 of those challenger boxes that was loaded with MTX TERMINATORS
I resently bought a JL Audio 12 wedgebox sub for my family wagon, really looking forward th get it installed, hopefully it will bump and bring me back to the good old days 😊
report back.pls
I rmbr seeing this name by chance in an old magazine back in the 90s but THIS channel made me wanna follow thru and see what it was all about lol. A shame we don't get all the offerings in Australian/Nz Car Audio stores. It 97% all the OG household brands like Alpine/Kicker/Kenwood/RF & JBL
Yes want to see tests on the 12 please!!!!
I enjoyed this Savard spotlight 👍 you should make some more brand spotlights. The good, the bad, and the ugly!
Back in the late 70s, I bought a pair of SAVARD Studio monitor speakers & they were phenomenal. If I remember correctly, they were about $1100 for the pair. About 4' tall, extremely efficient & sounded great. I think they were called Studio Monitor Phase VIII. They each had dual woofers, a horn, & twin tweeters in a 45° offset housing. Handmade dial crossovers for mids & highs. Wish I still had them, they were damaged in a flood.
Will have to check them out when i make a sound quality build in the future. Went the opposite route this time lol with a 5 stach 12 inch from audio pipe at 1200 watts rms.
SDK Enclosures does some fine work.
I am SO glad you made a subwoofer video!!
Show us a comparison video of one 8, one 12, two 12's and four 12's or something like that please!!
they are very nice and would be good for someone needing something small, but cone area and power is still the king. I just found 4 old school Orion extreme 12s running all 4 in a sealed enclosure with 1200 watts gave me a 148 on the window. still have room in the trunk for groceries lol.
Yep, I dig the 8"s but you're right ... (Vd) swept volume rules the day.
The box is everything, a good box can make a 6.5 be louder and better (bandwidth, not a burp box) than larger subs with worse boxes
Im a fan of 8" subs. I ran two DC M3 8s for a few years and they were great!
I wanted a little extra low end in my truck and went with a 10" infinity reference sub and a skar vented box. Also, used the same topstronggear amp you showed on your channel. Works great and shakes my rearview mirror 😅.
My first subs were two Savard Rap 10's in a sealed enclosure behind the seat of my 92 Nissan Hardbody. These bad boys were powered by a 40 watt Rodek. Everyone thought I was running two 12. I've been on the lookout for one of those brick shaped Rodek for a while. Now, I'm thinking about pulling the 4 x Massive Audio 6.5s and replacing them with the Rap 6.5s in my 72 C10.
I removed my spare tire from my Ford Taraus to save weight back inthe day. I had 6 12" subs in the trunk. It was a beast. It was a challenge to keep the glass in that car. I had to spend a day each month going around the car and tightening fastners that would rattle lose. Winshield wipers would jump up off the windshield. had to have beefier alternators and multiple batteries. Fastforward and 1 sealed box 12" woofer in the 4Runner is nice. If I am at a gas station putting in gas and I walk away from it it sounds like a live band playing in a bar across the street no rattleing no windows flexing, no wiper blades jumping up and down. Sounds great with bass, rock, country, pop. No need for extra batteries or 240-300A alternators etc....
I did not always listen to my menotrs but I have come around to their way of thinking. Today I never try to do with 2 speakers what I can do with 1 or 2. So no 32 speaker builds with 6 12" woofers and all the associated nonsense!
Learning to build a system that sounds good and has solid sound staging is just as important of a skill as learning how to max out SPL! Different skill set for sure but both are skill sets to have if you want to be able to design and build systems from car audio to home audio for any client! It is a total package and achieving the desired outcome that is a sign of true mastering!
Working on an inexpensive array of 8x8in free air in my daily 18 Corolla. Got 4 on the plate just behind the back seat. After dsp they sound like a proper 12-15in sub. Can't wait for nice weather to put the other 4 in and wire a mono Amp.
I also can’t recommend Savard subs enough!!! They are awesome!! I had a HiQ 12” sub mounted in a custom built 2.5 cubic foot (a little bigger than recommended) ported enclosure that was tuned to 28 hz. For my music taste(rebased and old school electronic) it was clean and loud running off of a JP8 (all the electrical that the car could handle).
that SDK enclosures box looks good in the bedliner
Pretty cool video. A little unknown to me car stereo video. Nice 👍😎
I have 4 200 watt rms 12s. They are louder then two 15s Ive heard. I only have them on 1500 rms and they hit 145 db!!
Enclosure is key 🔑 Bro... very nice for the wattage. Must be doing something 🤔 right ✅
the Box is everything, having seen what a proper box can do, am watching the video like... only 130db from 2 8s?
"than"
and of course 2 12's are louder than 1 15incher.
Your shit must sure be on point... cone area is king
@@Underground-Electronic-Music Careful. There are cases where a single 15 will have more cone volume than 2 12s. I know it doesn't look that way, but...
ex: A 15 with a 4" deep cone is 235.619 in^3. A 12 with a 4" deep cone is 150.796 in^3. In reality both cones won't be the same depth (you drop down to 131in^3 on the 12 if it loses 1/2" of depth) and you will likely end up with a lot more surround on 2 12s than you do on one 15. Back in the olden days, 12 vs 15 was also where voice coil sizes tended to step up, so power handling tended to step up, so Xmax tended to step up too. All of that means more air displacement.
I was pretty surprised when all of that was pointed out to me many years ago. At the time the raging debate was over 2 sealed 12s or one ported 15 in roughly the same box size. Sound is subjective, but the numbers seemed to indicate an SPL equilibrium.I never had the chance to A vs. B that idea, but I was leaning pretty hard toward a single 15... it was cheaper. 😂
None of that is to say that so-and-sos whatever isn't harder than whatever. Just an interesting topic that once came up between bass nerds many years ago.
Cool content man, big fan of the Savard brand after hearing them in person. I don’t think you can beat them for the price and output/sound quality.
I looked at Savard's site a few weeks ago after seeing one of your videos. I didn't realize they were out of Baton Rouge. I thought I remembered they were well known in the Gulf Coast LA/MS area. So that would make sese.
I've had the og rap 15s in the 80's nice
Yessss I remember this, it was when Baton Rouge was apart of the 504 area code back in the day (New Orleans still is 504), before they switched to 225 area code. Great times when that bass was rocking out oldsmobiles etc. YES post the 18inch subwoofers please in advance.
Wow, Savard using the ti frame for that twelve is impressive.
I had a set of sundown X8’s I was actually shocked at how loud and low they could go!
Not sure why, but I've always been fond of 10" subs - nothing smaller, nothing bigger. But your quite right, smaller subs may just be the ticket one's after in terms of size/space and output needs.
I Definitely wanna see more about that HO 12!!!!
years back many years!!! some one gave me (yes I know) zenith house speakers in the box! got a cheap radio cheap EQ booster had to put the boxes in the trunk was not very loud so I unbloted the seat would put it down mann the DEEP BASS that came out of that trunk in the boxes was really GOOD! OH they was 8"
That 6.5" sub/box setup would be perfect in my Geo Metro! Plenty of slap for the size without taking up what little room I do have.
Savard Hi Q are pretty clean sounding 👌 4 8's knock pretty hard on Taramps 3k's
I haven't been around these parts for some time and it's good to hear you well. I was just wondering if you'd ever featured any of the Dayton Audio range. I've been looking at it lately and like the overall feel and flexibility.
I used to run those 8in subs that were sold at Radio Shack back around 1990.
Would these be weather proof in an enclosed atv box? I have boss atv speaker looking to change out the speakers and amp to be more powerful . What bluetooth amp would you recommend to go inside the box and what speakers if not these ?
Just went from a single 12 " W0v3 - 300W 4 Ohm to dual 10" W0v3 - 500W 2 Ohm. The 10's are in a proper JL Basswedge box. I have not regretted going that route. They also gave it to me for $425 USD. Can't go wrong with that.
Before my uncle passed away, I remembered commenting about his system he gaved me that had nothing but savard in his crown Victoria. I still have all his stuff in my garage. But boy, did that stuff hurt my ears back then when I was a kid. But damn did it sound good that it got me into car audio.
Savard built some amazing band pass boxes.
My KLH bookshelf speakers say 5watts to 100watts lol
Just picked up 5 hi-q 6.5s doing a center console 4th order
i had a challenger 1201... with a hifonics thor amp. it was pretty solid for the time.
I know this was about the Savard speakers which are cool but shout out to your Sequoia that looks clean Bid D
I competed in many crank it ups in the later 80's in Texas. Never came across a Savard. I competed in the
One of the most important points you didn't mentioned is the stamped steel basket. That's SUPER important. People new into the audio industry like the looks of the cast baskets. They don't understand that those baskets ring like tuning forks and can cause SQ problems. Stamped steel doesn't resonate so, it's the best and honestly the strongest option. I hate that Savard makes their stuff in China. I wish they'd build in the US but, I get it. They have to stay competitive price wise. Regardless, they'll be in the high running for my new system.
I ran a single Dayton 8" Ultimax in my old Smart fortwo on 500W in a small sealed box, was heaps of output and more than enough for a small car.
Back in the day, (late80's early 90's) running competition in MS and LA there were three names that stood out. Savard, Kicker and the Punch (Rockford Fosgate). Later came the unicorns of bass and briefly M&M and Pioneer. Savard has survived the test of bass and time. My system would have been Savard but they didn't have 18" during the apocalypse of 2020. I may have to revisit Savard and see what's up in 2024.
Interesting, that Hi-Q 6.5" might be perfect for the center console sub I want to put in my 2 door Jeep wrangler!
FINALLY SOMEONE TELLING THE TRUTH! I run a test where I created using a MIDBASS, 4 inches and 70 watts, making a small case, I think it is from 5 x4,5 inches, and an DIY passive radiator with coins attacted to it. It can go low, and sounds decent. My 6 inch Samsung subwoofer OEM Stock from factory punches some insane bass, just doesnt go as low as I want. I dont get why people bother getting 14 inch subwoofers when 2 6"s would do the trick and maybe have even more bass and SPL than the huge 99999w subwoofers. Have a great day!
Love my Hi-Q 6.5’s
Your setup is one of my favorites!
Big d that harmony amp can u use a universal rca bass knob? My jack got bent
It's been forever since I looked at a JC Whitney catalog.. I didn't remember this brand but I remember so much of the cheap junk they sold lol
I want to see the 10 and 12-in high output savard.. & Maybe a test with the 18"?!?
The ones you were testing. W/rap written across the cap just looks cheap in my opinion. But they seem to perform well. If they had a sale or something I'd be willing to try them out... But with the six and a half it seems like everybody's in the same price range between $1 and $120. If it didn't say rap across the front I'd be willing to give it more of a chance.
Thanks for bringing it to our attention Big D
Thanks
I've recently got a new set of ear buds and they passed the test those sounded pretty good from what I can tell though your Sequoia as quite a few rattles and squeaks for it age
Nowadays subs are subs... they all do the same thing. It's just the amount of space you have that limits the size/ quantity you wanna run. Small subs resonate at higher frequencies thus they excel at tight punchy bass. Larger you go the more they can excel at lower frequencies. Any sub can produce any bass range in a properly tuned enclosure though.
Not to mention smaller subs need to move like crazy in order to produce the ultra low frequencies which can tend to rip apart easier and faster than bigger subs.
If you want to play really low and loud without worry, bigger subwoofers will always excel.
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Now, of course I’m not saying that small subwoofers cannot play very low because I know they do especially if you happen to have a large quantity of them.
But that’s the thing, you need many small ones to compensate what one or two in a bigger nice built enclosure can do. Just saying.
@@Bassotronicshat's completely inaccurate. The size of the subwoofer has nothing to do with the speed it's going to move, at a frequency. You keep posting nonsense all over these comments.
@@REH86
I did not say anything about speed other than how fast they may break apart.
Let’s say an 18” subwoofer in order to produce a certain SPL only needs to move 1 inch at a given frequency while a smaller subwoofer has to move 3 inches in order to produce the same SPL to compensate at the same given frequency. And of coarse, enclosures matter too.
I’ve been dealing with audio for 25 years and I do not post nonsense, I post facts.
Stop trolling.
@@Bassotronics You literally said that smaller woofers need to move more to produce a frequency. The simple fact is, no, they don't. Frequency is literally the amount of times per second that the woofer moves, regardless of the size. That's just what it is. Now you're trying to change what you said in that first comment and pretend it had anything to do with spl. Just say you're wrong, and do better.
@@REH86
I had to add more information so you don’t take things out of context.
Let me repeat again my other post because you don’t seem to understand what I’m saying in English.
“I did not say anything about speed other than how fast they may break apart.
Let’s say an 18” subwoofer in order to produce a certain SPL only needs to move 1 inch at a given frequency while a smaller subwoofer has to move 3 inches in order to produce the same SPL to compensate at the same given frequency. And of coarse, enclosures matter too.
I’ve been dealing with audio for 25 years and I do not post nonsense, I post facts.
Stop trolling.”
I was just looking at this last week.
Would love to see a review of their small coax speakers.
Have a 12" Hi Q coming in tomorrow, It's gonna have it's work cut out for it replacing a 28yr old Fosgate RFP 1212 . Fosgate still works Great , but figured I'd try something new.
10 for the win ! Let's hear it.
That's DECENT!!
Will the 6 1/2 subs fit in the front doors of my 2008 silverado? Thanks
Damn this some history right here!!
Thanks.
I have had a pair of 10" Rockford Fosgates from the Prime series in my 94 extended cab chevy in a good box now for years and anything more would be overkill to me
I wanna see that 12"
I feel like you made this video for me D :) haha. Although your sequoia is a lot cleaner than mine! I'm really thinking of getting a pair of the rap 12s to try. Still on the fence.
I knew a guy who was given a load of small Bluetooth pod speakers with 2" 5 watt drivers in them. He stripped fifty of them and mounted them all into one cabinet, so do the math, that's 50 x 2 inches of totally innovative excursion! 😉👍
I know a guy that did a bunch of 5" woofers as subs. It's a good idea to use what you got but the xmax of smaller drivers is much lower so they dont move as much air.
I got a oval alpine from a 2016 jeep wrangler and im having trouble figuring out the frequency range it likes to be ran at, i had it at 1ohm 400 watts rms and blew up the first one, so the second one i got is wired at 4ohm 150watts rms and seems to sound fine but i disnt want to set the frequency too low. Whats the range of a typical 8 inch sub? Its a quad coil 4ohm
We used to make fun of Savard woofers back in the day, but their new ones look pretty legit!
I have a 92 convertible vett with a Bazooka 10. That 6.5 flexed and hit lower than the Bazooka. Would one work in a tube?
Damn they look good in that box