*Want to See Specific Portion of the Video? See Index Below* 0:00 Intro 0:38 Back in the Day 2:31 Punch 30HD in Detail 3:47 KICKER Quad Box 5:00 Determining Test Frequency 5:40 SPL Testing with the Punch 30HD 10:11 Testing Songs for Power and SPL 12:19 Amp Dyno Tests 13:22 Watt's Inside? 14:12 Final Thoughts 14:43 EXTRAS including Echos From the Lab *See Related Videos* Rockford Fosgate Playlist - th-cam.com/play/PLu98-M_EowHPDfvb2L7BuwCdogJF0DIRQ.html KICKER Audio Playlist - th-cam.com/play/PLu98-M_EowHOg5lUzMUQfxO9nRQ6i09vy.html *SHOP* KICKER L7R Quad Box - amzn.to/4gsEmzl or www.kicker.com/solo-baric-l7r-12-quad-subwoofer-box Shop eBay for Punch 30 Amplifier - ebay.us/eesIOu Wiring Terminal Blocks - amzn.to/4fEgckw Get your WAL/OSS Merch: bigdwiz.creator-spring.com/ Buy Me a Coffee/Tea/Slap-a-D-No : www.oldschoolstereo.com/p/donate.html *Support OSS / Williston Audio Labs for early access to videos* www.patreon.com/OldSchoolStereo One Time "Tip" for Video Support: paypal.me/BigDWiz _DISCLAIMER: This video and description contains affiliate links, which means that if you purchase from one of the product links, I may receive a small commission. As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. As an eBay Partner, I may be compensated if you make a purchase_
@@joeyholthusen6495 I was concerned the 1 ohm mono load on the P30HD may be a bit much on the amp, but I wouldn't be afraid to try with the P45 or P150...just for the burp of course
Those amps were something else in the 80s and 90s. The Orion HCCAs were even more impressive. Those were some fun times - car audio at that level was still fresh, people were experimenting and the music was good.
I don't think the amp is the star here, it's the Quad Box. I'm a huge RF fan, but not of the P30, I remember when this amp was released and for the same price you could get a HiFonics Vulcan, a much better amp for the $$
@wal ici tout repose sur le rendement des haut parleur ... plus le rendement est élevé et plus il sera facile de les faire bouger avec des ampli de puissance modeste ^^
@@wal seems that the hifonics amps were more expensive than the RF amps in my area. What you have to find now is the RF octagon. It was 16-8" subs in an octagon shaped box powered by a punch45.
You gotta go with the 45HD in your next video & then keep testing them all the way up to the 150HD! Now that would be some awesome video's right there my friend!! 30HD, 45HD, 75HD & lastly the BIG DAWG 150HD!!💯🤘🏾
@@wal I was an custom car audio installer and sound off competitor from the late 80's into the mid 90's, and was not surprised by your findings. In the early days of competitions (by wattage class), these were a cheat code, especially when you ran them down to 2ohms,(some pushed the punch line even lower with amazing results). Please try and test more of the line from that era. It would be amazing to see how they compare.
Yes test the 200 punch ix that is the newer model with the rarely survived end caps. I bet that same box will be real close to 150. And if the box was bigger it would hit 150
I just recently put my old 90's Punch 40i amp and two Punch 10" subs that I installed in my very first car back then into my son's first car. Two generations and it still sounds awesome!
I'm a late 80's, early 90's thumper and it doesn't surprise me at all! Punch series was one of the best back then. I tried to keep up with a MTX setup but could never get it as good as Fosgate. Man I miss those days...
I remember back in the day Phoenix Gold called the 1- amp doing an entire system "Tri-Linear" in a stereo/mono and series/parallel using caps and coils to divide the power to front, rear and subs. You really had to design your system around making 6db, 12db and 24db to keep your slopes, frequency and impedance load safe for your system PG later came out with a pre-built passive dividing network that was gold and plexi glass to do this.(Sound XS I believe) I wasn't a huge fan but it was cost effective and I sure designed, built and installed hundreds of passive systems for customers at my audio video store. GREAT VIDEO BIG "D" MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL
This is exactly why i miss the old-school stuff!!!! Cerwin were my favorite back in the day. I would love some good shape old-school subs! Absolutely awesome video man, this brings back some old memories.
I have two cerwin Vega vmaxx 8’s in the back deck of my 2004 GTO, free air on a punch 750. They hit so hard, you can feel it in your chest. It’s pretty impressive.
I have my old punch 45 hooked up to a set of Pioneer 4 way 6x9’s in my son’s truck. I even gave my old Alpine 3321 EQ hoping to get him more interested in the hobby. This is second truck the system (I installed) has been in. That punch amp just keeps doing its job. Old School for the never ending win! Merry Christmas Big D!
Your comments were valid. The P45 and P150 (original and also HD) were the real workhorses. The P75 was good but did not overachieve like the other two. The P30 and Power100 were curiosities but they did much closer to rated power and were not popular at all at the time. I sold P45s 20:1 over P30s. Being able to wire speakers series and parallel to keep the amplifier in its operating zone works with any amplifier. We ran all sorts of brands mono and stereo at the same time (multimode). Alpine even made a passive crossover module (3722) just for that purpose. The difference was that Rockford actually trained their dealers how to do it properly and not blow their stuff up. Knowledge is power.
That's pretty impressive. The recommended RMS power of 2400 watts. The subs back in the day didn't handle power like they do today, I wonder if it would be louder with much less power-hungry subs in an equally efficient box? Great stuff.👍👍
Bro, I'm old school 56 years old and still have a system's in my cars. I had (2) punch 150 amps 37 years, and they freaking rocked, and of course, Rockford was the best back then. I did hear a punch 45 pushing (2) Rockford 15" subs hard. It blew my mind back then. I do have an old punch 75 that I need to have looked at to see if it can be repaired. And like you said the magnets weren't as big back then. They have these power subs now that need a lot of power. I enjoyed the content. Pump out some more.
Back in the 90’s in Stillwater, OK there was a guy at Cartunes who had his whole system (with two 12’s for subs) running off a single Punch 30 in a Blazer or Suburban. I couldn’t believe how good it sounded. Ended up buying a Punch 150 and running a pair of kicker C12’s in a 7ft^3 4th order box in the back of my 280ZX. Ahhh, the good old days. Would be cool to try a 50.1/50M on that quad box at 1 ohm. Thanks for all your old school reviews, I really enjoy them.
@@mikesmith8190 Hey Mike - That was me, Zane! (everyone called me Z) That was my GMC Jimmy (Blazer). I had the Punch 30 running two Rockford Series 1 twelves initially to try to help sell those. I later upgraded the subs to 12” Blues which were amazing. The Punch 30 was running the two twelves, as well as the rear speakers which were Polk Audio MM 6.5” woofers, 2” mids, and 1/2” tweeters, with Polk Audio 3.5” mids and 1/2” tweeters in the dash. I experimented with various crossover combos to get it the way I wanted it. 12 speakers in all and I loved the way it sounded! I can’t tell you how many demos I did and how many Punch amps I sold from that ride. I loved those days, and had a blast working there! Z
Glad to see a video like this. Many daily driver bass lovers are often discouraged by talking about their great sounding, lower power builds (500-1500 watts) because of what fills up the forums nowadays. Thanks for making this video.
I had a Punch 150 running two Pyle 15's back in 1990 as a stopgap till I could fully afford something bigger. It was a beast...I rattled just about everything loose on my car with that setup. Eventually I moved up to a Linear Power 800 (that i bought from a guy at a car show and had a strong suspicion it was probably quite hot lol) and it was just stupid loud.
Nice to see the Kicker Quad Box make another appearance! :D Hooking an amp to a Quad Box is like hooking up a CB radio to an 8-element beam. It's all about the gain! If you hooked up the same amp to a 6.5" sub, it wouldn't be anywhere near as loud.
Hello from Austria, very interesting presentation. Back in 1986 I had a Pioneer GM4 with 20 watts and TS speakers. It was unbelievable how loud this combination could play. A test of the GM4 would be great - everyone had this amplifier back then. Regards
Back in the early 90s the local legend was a guy named "Mikey Thompson" who had 20 Rockford Fosgate punch 12"s in the back of a conversion van. He had 20 exact same Fosgate amplifiers powering them. That was the loudest automotive system I have heard until my adult life.
I used a radio shack EQ booster to run a couple CVXL12's back in the day. Wouldn't rattle any windows by any stretch of the imagination, but it kicked alright. When you can't get what you want, use what you've got.
Missing the old days after seeing this. Purple Isuzu Amigo with 4 Punch Pro 12s...And Buick Grand Nationals and T-Types every place you looked. Thank you sir for ALLLL of the videos that keep us young!!
I’m not surprised at all. One of my best setups in the early 90’s was 2 pro punch 12’s with the big chrome magnets on a punch 75hd. On a denon tape deck and changer.
As an 'ol school "Boomer" I hope I'm still kicking that hard as I head quickly into my upper-mid 60s. I've used my share of K-Mart audio, AFS Kriket, Clarion and Radio Shack equipment. This is pretty impressive. Keep up the good work! (Anyone ever Hear of AFS Kriket speakers from the 70s?)😁
I remember seeing the audio shop guy running a room of 12s on the big US Amps back in the day. (Yes. Literally a ROOM of 12s) I was 17 years old, my mom helped me piece together enough money for a “small” US Amp. I ran two Volacano 12s SVC and an Orion XTR 12 DVC in a cord Festivals. 😂
Great video as always! Just imagine the output if this amp was paired with some oldschool subs in an SPL specific box, in an SPL friendly sized vehicle. I bet 140+ wouldn't be out of the question...
The old stuff was mint. I had a clipse deck, old Boston acoustic rally 12 with ads amp and it pounded. I miss the old stuff. And I really miss my nakamichi deck from the old days.
Awesome video,I did 2 30s on 6-series 1 15",another 30 on mids/ highs in xcab S10 back in 91-92,it sounded amazing and did low 140s,I just hated those speaker and power connections
🔥 You never needed massive power to make the music sound good In fact I would bet it's the opposite. All you need is a clean signal some clean output sensitive speakers depending on the car some sound or vibration deadening in the area of the speaker. 💪🏾💪🏾 Great video broski!
My very first set up in high school, which was 1998, I had a pair of 12 inch through in Vegas in a ported box that I had made and a 100 W Kenwood amplifier. That system bumped. At least for a 16-year-old kid driving a Volvo. I couldn’t imagine using some of the equipment we have today.
The "peanut 30" was the nickname we gave that when we sold them. Was a good little amp at the time. The punch150 was our best seller. Another little amp that was even more impressive for what it was, Sony xm-2020. Sold for 99.99. Definitely the old days.
I remember a car in my town like this. It had an Orion 225 Hcca that was pushing 4 12s and the mids and tweeters in the doors. You had to use these massive boxes with the subs because the cones were so light that if you put them in something small they just resonated and sounded terrible. Crazy efficient though. Took very little wattage to make the car shake
Great test bigD although the results say more about the QuadBox than they do about the amp. Great idea for content keep working your way up through the old RFs on that thang!
Yesssss I'm sooo glad you did this is posted a few yrs ago how I had 4 12in jlaudio subs and metered 151 n change powered by 96 punch 200 ix. And had a gigantic box in a mini blazer filled entire back end. 2 subs facing backwards and 2 angled up with 3inch pvc ports each sub had its own chamber. It fricken SLAMMED. Bounced change out of cup holder and made keys in ignition dance insanely and wore paint off steering column lol back side window eventually shattered but before that it flexed like crazzzzzzy windshield flexed doors n everything. I backed that up at several stereo meets at absolute audio video and cars n stereos in rockford illinois 1996 1997 and 98. Lol good times and yes they killed with just a few hundred each sub
That was impressive but not surprised. Man I wish people would give lower powered systems a chance. Also watts are cool but they do not equal volume. Great video BigD!
It's crazy when you broke a hundred Watts in the '80s you were ballin.... You broke a thought in the 90s just the same. I was contempt with my punch 60 DSM on my JL audio W6-10 bandpass box. Always was plenty loud for everyone
i used to have a 200w punch amp with a single 12 and it slapped hard for hours back in 2010, it kept going in hot summer and you could cook eggs on it.
My first stereo in 94 was a LA Sound Malibu 120 on a 15 inch MTX road thunder II, in a ported tube from JC Whitney. It played low. Second system had a Punch 40 x2 and a Punch 100 x2 plus 2 12 inch punch in a bandpass box, and a Clarion 920 eq with a Pioneer Super Tuner III. LAF.
Here’s one I did a while back with the X50 140dB with Four 12's and 50 Watts? 1996 KICKER X50s vs KICKER Quad Box Test 2 [4K] th-cam.com/video/oYtz-VJ7rJ0/w-d-xo.html
I was thinking 130db...these amps always did well with subs. Had a Punch 45HD running mono to an Altec Lansing ALS12 in a 36hz tuned ported enclosure, and it hit HARD!
I had a punch 60 i think it was running two punch 15 and it bumped!... For the 90s😏 123db , i remember it having a chip on the bottom that pulled out and reversed to do different things 👌 best amp ever.
Way back in the day when thump was still underground and mostly only in the hoods of Florida, we would use any 10-18inch woofers we could get and build boxes for them, there was no purpose built car subs back then afaik. We would get woofers at Radio shack 10s were $20, 12s were $40 and I think 15s were $50, they were called woofers not sub woofers, they did a good job. Then there was Booties pawn shop that had PYLE 10s, 12s, and 15s for around the same prices and they were pretty decent too. then someone discovered EV and JBL and even PA and guitar speakers and that was the next level. For amps we only had like alfasonik, hifonics, alpine, kenwood maybe even sherwood if i remember correctly then rockford fosgate came around and thumpin cars blew up!
My 1st real system was 4 JBL 6x9’s with punch 45 on each pair 4 pairs of 6.5 infinity components powered by one Punch 45. 4 15” kicker comps with a punch 150 on each set of subs Head unit was alpine 7525R. All installed by me and brother in law in my 1989 Nissian. Building the box in trunk through to back seat and adding alternator was extremely expensive overall on the build!
I think I guessed 131.66. There’s so many people that don’t understand how efficiency works. There’s been so many SQ installs with a single 10” that sound massive on 200 watts of total amplification.
My favorite has been the PPI art series for my full range and Alpine MRV1002 for the Infinity Kappa Perfects 12" Aluminum cone subs. Pioneer 6x9 in all 4 doors and silk dome tweeters on the upper door.
Super cool! Reminds Me of the old Orion red hcca amps. Back in 92 my brother and i had a rockford fosgate punch 45 pushing 2 pile driver 15s in a lowrider cutless you coud here it for at least a block or two away!
it's all about the parts you pick and the way you configure them. prior to one of the local banks changing their alarm to a silent system sometimes at night just for giggles i used to pull up to the front of the bank and crank up my system and it would rattle the doors so hard it would set off the burglar alarm and the biggest amp in my system then was a 300 w bazooka monoblock, you know how the saying goes, it's not the size, it's how you configure it. You don't need thousands of watts to be loud, obnoxious and piss people off...
1 Punch 45 for 1 12" MTX blue thunder. 1 Punch 45 for 2 Fosgate Punch 10's. Custom box, top 12, sides were 10. 1 Punch 30 for (6) 6x9's. J.V.C cassette with an E.Q from JC Whitney. All behind the Bench seat of an 1980 Dodge ram standard cab. Motor swapped a 1968 360 C.I and 4.56 rear gears. Yep, it had a 3" I.D Cherry B.. Muffler. Fast and Very loud.
Ok.. so im gen x.. early 93 had this amp on x2 10" RF series one, if memory serves me correctly, in a isobaric bandpass tuned to about 35hz in what we have here known as a Nissan Champ Bakkie. Extended port punching through the firewall from the loading bay... simple setup, alpine headunit cant remember the model but it was, i believe, the first with a 4v output available in our market and a 61/4" RF split Front stage and some passive crossovers... with the help of the local RF team box 1 gave me a 128db, weeks of tuning, and on box 3, some serious stifning etc, we hit a 134.6db... now being some 30 odd years back i cant remember the finer details.. but we build a few monsters back then with very very basic stuff... doesnt make us good... just made us squeeze every bit out of what we had... thanks for the video and thanks for the nostalgic trip down memory lane lol
I'm not surprised. I ran two punch 15's with a punch 45 in a 1990 Mustang GT and it slammed. There was something about those amps that wattage just didn't matter.
I had a Punch 45 on a pair of JL 10w5's in a 4th order bandpass. Damn it got loud. Definitely louder and way more musical tonally than the Thump 4000 amp i was powering them with.
In the 90's had a precision power amp pushing two 10's probably only 300 Watts. Could hear me coming down the street. You don't need all that power to bang. Still have some old mtx amps in the garage. Sister in law sold the precision power to a pawn shop. Wanted to beat her.
No surprise here theres more to output than just watts, i have a 1yr old excelon amp rated at 500 mono @ 2 ohm that outperform a jp minimaxx rated for 1000 at 2 ohm in both output and sound quality
When I saw the title the answer was clear. It depends on the subs. It isn't going to power a Sundown Zv6 but hook that up to four Funky Pups and you might tear a hole in the spacetime continuum.
Not suprised. I built many cars with Orion 220GTs, Punch 45s, Orion 222SX, Hifionics Cupids, Hifonics Plutos. A "good" installer had two 15s off an Orion 2350 GS and four 10's off a 4 X110 Alpine and some Sony two channel on the front. I used a Pluto running three channel on a single 10 inch bandpass and two plate speakers. That guy assumed I had about 3000 watts as the car tried to resonate itself to pieces. I had a n Orion Cobalt 430 running three channels on a pair of C-12s in a 1990 Trans Am. That hit 143 on my Audio Control Sa3050 with SPL 170 upgrade. Adding double the power is only going to go up another three db. I got more output bracing vehicles than anything else. I still have two 222 SX Orions waitng to have some punch for lunch. Either you know or you don't.
Yes, this 30W amp can power four 12" subwoofers. In fact it NEEDS four or more big subwoofers to get loud. Big = high sensitivity dB/W. And because it's a good quality old school amp it will also sound awesome!
Brother had a 200w Sony amp back in 2000, pushed 2 12 inch onions louder than my 3500watt rms crescendo going to my 15inch Fi 3500watt rms sub. Was way louder and Mines not quite.
kicker quad box for the win i run 2 kicker comp R 12's in the kicker pre fab box (visibly great looking boxes from kicker) got them two years ago and it was extremely noticeably better than the 3 JL audio 10's i was running at the time :)
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0:38 Back in the Day
2:31 Punch 30HD in Detail
3:47 KICKER Quad Box
5:00 Determining Test Frequency
5:40 SPL Testing with the Punch 30HD
10:11 Testing Songs for Power and SPL
12:19 Amp Dyno Tests
13:22 Watt's Inside?
14:12 Final Thoughts
14:43 EXTRAS including Echos From the Lab
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use many low wattage speakers 2 to 4 ohm configuration
Drop that ohm load and do a burp for a 3db gain!
@@joeyholthusen6495 I was concerned the 1 ohm mono load on the P30HD may be a bit much on the amp, but I wouldn't be afraid to try with the P45 or P150...just for the burp of course
@wal your right, need a punch 45 dsm to bang it on low impedance for a burp....
What’s the name of the track that starts playing @11:59 ? Tia 🤙🏽
Those of us that are old enough to remember when this amp was brand new are not surprised at all.
Those amps were something else in the 80s and 90s. The Orion HCCAs were even more impressive.
Those were some fun times - car audio at that level was still fresh, people were experimenting and the music was good.
I don't think the amp is the star here, it's the Quad Box. I'm a huge RF fan, but not of the P30, I remember when this amp was released and for the same price you could get a HiFonics Vulcan, a much better amp for the $$
@wal ici tout repose sur le rendement des haut parleur ... plus le rendement est élevé et plus il sera facile de les faire bouger avec des ampli de puissance modeste ^^
@@wal seems that the hifonics amps were more expensive than the RF amps in my area. What you have to find now is the RF octagon. It was 16-8" subs in an octagon shaped box powered by a punch45.
I remember like it was yesterday. These amps kicked ass
You gotta go with the 45HD in your next video & then keep testing them all the way up to the 150HD! Now that would be some awesome video's right there my friend!! 30HD, 45HD, 75HD & lastly the BIG DAWG 150HD!!💯🤘🏾
We will see how popular this video is and may do that as I'm curious as well
+1 on that vote! Then, honestly I'd like to see the 75 and 150 after, if possible
@@wal I was an custom car audio installer and sound off competitor from the late 80's into the mid 90's, and was not surprised by your findings. In the early days of competitions (by wattage class), these were a cheat code, especially when you ran them down to 2ohms,(some pushed the punch line even lower with amazing results). Please try and test more of the line from that era. It would be amazing to see how they compare.
@@dankolicious10 yep 2 ohms and stable
Yes test the 200 punch ix that is the newer model with the rarely survived end caps. I bet that same box will be real close to 150. And if the box was bigger it would hit 150
I just recently put my old 90's Punch 40i amp and two Punch 10" subs that I installed in my very first car back then into my son's first car. Two generations and it still sounds awesome!
I'm a late 80's, early 90's thumper and it doesn't surprise me at all! Punch series was one of the best back then. I tried to keep up with a MTX setup but could never get it as good as Fosgate. Man I miss those days...
Road thunder pro and the 1 gen terminators were awesome.
The way that amp is slung in the centre console is icing on the cake.😂🎉
Shadetree install for sure!
Back in the day we called it the punch peanut. They where a godsend for those of us competing because we could get in a lower power class.
I remember back in the day Phoenix Gold called the 1- amp doing an entire system "Tri-Linear" in a stereo/mono and series/parallel using caps and coils to divide the power to front, rear and subs.
You really had to design your system around making 6db, 12db and 24db to keep your slopes, frequency and impedance load safe for your system
PG later came out with a pre-built passive dividing network that was gold and plexi glass to do this.(Sound XS I believe)
I wasn't a huge fan but it was cost effective and I sure designed, built and installed hundreds of passive systems for customers at my audio video store.
GREAT VIDEO BIG "D"
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL
I have a couple of the PG passive tri-mode crossovers I was going to show in a future video powering a full setup
This is exactly why i miss the old-school stuff!!!! Cerwin were my favorite back in the day. I would love some good shape old-school subs! Absolutely awesome video man, this brings back some old memories.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Cv is poised for a comeback
That would be awesome I miss my old CV subs
I have two cerwin Vega vmaxx 8’s in the back deck of my 2004 GTO, free air on a punch 750. They hit so hard, you can feel it in your chest. It’s pretty impressive.
I have my old punch 45 hooked up to a set of Pioneer 4 way 6x9’s in my son’s truck. I even gave my old Alpine 3321 EQ hoping to get him more interested in the hobby. This is second truck the system (I installed) has been in. That punch amp just keeps doing its job.
Old School for the never ending win!
Merry Christmas Big D!
Those amps were always impressive. I remember when they were new, they were one of the best you could get, especially at that price point.
Your comments were valid. The P45 and P150 (original and also HD) were the real workhorses. The P75 was good but did not overachieve like the other two. The P30 and Power100 were curiosities but they did much closer to rated power and were not popular at all at the time. I sold P45s 20:1 over P30s.
Being able to wire speakers series and parallel to keep the amplifier in its operating zone works with any amplifier. We ran all sorts of brands mono and stereo at the same time (multimode). Alpine even made a passive crossover module (3722) just for that purpose. The difference was that Rockford actually trained their dealers how to do it properly and not blow their stuff up. Knowledge is power.
The P45 was a sweet spot for price vs performance
This is more of a testament to the greatness of the quad box for spl
Absolutely!
140db with "50 watts"!!... 18 year old me is jealous of that X50s. Awesome videos.
That's pretty impressive. The recommended RMS power of 2400 watts. The subs back in the day didn't handle power like they do today, I wonder if it would be louder with much less power-hungry subs in an equally efficient box? Great stuff.👍👍
I had a lanzar 50 x2 watts amp powering.. 2 x 8 inch rockford Fosgate punch 4 ohms.. they hit hard and sounded like 12 inch subs...😊
It's my belief to this day that the Punch 45 HD is one of the greatest amps ever built.
@@Bigdogfindley no lies detected.
We were huge fans of the old school punch amps back in the 90's! We couldn't afford them though :(
Bro, I'm old school 56 years old and still have a system's in my cars. I had (2) punch 150 amps 37 years, and they freaking rocked, and of course, Rockford was the best back then. I did hear a punch 45 pushing (2) Rockford 15" subs hard. It blew my mind back then. I do have an old punch 75 that I need to have looked at to see if it can be repaired. And like you said the magnets weren't as big back then. They have these power subs now that need a lot of power. I enjoyed the content. Pump out some more.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
There's a trick here, most new subs dont actually need all that power! The first ~90% is efficiency, after that its power :)
Back in the 90’s in Stillwater, OK there was a guy at Cartunes who had his whole system (with two 12’s for subs) running off a single Punch 30 in a Blazer or Suburban. I couldn’t believe how good it sounded. Ended up buying a Punch 150 and running a pair of kicker C12’s in a 7ft^3 4th order box in the back of my 280ZX. Ahhh, the good old days.
Would be cool to try a 50.1/50M on that quad box at 1 ohm.
Thanks for all your old school reviews, I really enjoy them.
@@mikesmith8190 Hey Mike - That was me, Zane! (everyone called me Z) That was my GMC Jimmy (Blazer). I had the Punch 30 running two Rockford Series 1 twelves initially to try to help sell those. I later upgraded the subs to 12” Blues which were amazing. The Punch 30 was running the two twelves, as well as the rear speakers which were Polk Audio MM 6.5” woofers, 2” mids, and 1/2” tweeters, with Polk Audio 3.5” mids and 1/2” tweeters in the dash. I experimented with various crossover combos to get it the way I wanted it. 12 speakers in all and I loved the way it sounded! I can’t tell you how many demos I did and how many Punch amps I sold from that ride. I loved those days, and had a blast working there! Z
Glad to see a video like this. Many daily driver bass lovers are often discouraged by talking about their great sounding, lower power builds (500-1500 watts) because of what fills up the forums nowadays. Thanks for making this video.
I had a Punch 150 running two Pyle 15's back in 1990 as a stopgap till I could fully afford something bigger. It was a beast...I rattled just about everything loose on my car with that setup. Eventually I moved up to a Linear Power 800 (that i bought from a guy at a car show and had a strong suspicion it was probably quite hot lol) and it was just stupid loud.
Pyle used to be great speakers. I miss the Pyle Driver driver 8" s I still have the 18"
I got a buddy that needs to see this. I was explaining to him you don't need a ton of wattage , is nice to have a bunch🙄
With a setup like the Quad Box, you will smile with as little as 30W and plug your ears with 3000W 😝
Sensitivity is way more important. Those mega watt subs are like 83db but you've got sq sub doing 90db lol
Nice to see the Kicker Quad Box make another appearance! :D
Hooking an amp to a Quad Box is like hooking up a CB radio to an 8-element beam. It's all about the gain!
If you hooked up the same amp to a 6.5" sub, it wouldn't be anywhere near as loud.
FACTS!!
Hello from Austria, very interesting presentation. Back in 1986 I had a Pioneer GM4 with 20 watts and TS speakers. It was unbelievable how loud this combination could play. A test of the GM4 would be great - everyone had this amplifier back then. Regards
Back in the early 90s the local legend was a guy named "Mikey Thompson" who had 20 Rockford Fosgate punch 12"s in the back of a conversion van. He had 20 exact same Fosgate amplifiers powering them. That was the loudest automotive system I have heard until my adult life.
Holly cow! Insane! Rockford Fosgate and MTX was the shit back then.
That's insane!!! 1 of the 2 is truly Old school stereo!!! Very impressed!!!
I used a radio shack EQ booster to run a couple CVXL12's back in the day. Wouldn't rattle any windows by any stretch of the imagination, but it kicked alright. When you can't get what you want, use what you've got.
Missing the old days after seeing this. Purple Isuzu Amigo with 4 Punch Pro 12s...And Buick Grand Nationals and T-Types every place you looked. Thank you sir for ALLLL of the videos that keep us young!!
Awesome brother!
I’m not surprised at all. One of my best setups in the early 90’s was 2 pro punch 12’s with the big chrome magnets on a punch 75hd. On a denon tape deck and changer.
those old RF amps and subs were legendary. 💪
Never underestimate an old school amp, I have 2 of the old school RF Punch 1000a's and boy they can still get down
I remember a beautiful bronco that had two punch 45s and four series one Rockford 12s that hit hard. Loved that set up and it was so clear
As an 'ol school "Boomer" I hope I'm still kicking that hard as I head quickly into my upper-mid 60s. I've used my share of K-Mart audio, AFS Kriket, Clarion and Radio Shack equipment. This is pretty impressive. Keep up the good work! (Anyone ever Hear of AFS Kriket speakers from the 70s?)😁
I ran the punch 45 with two CV 12". Back in the early 90's. ( The punch 45 is a little monster. )
When it doesn’t take much power to get loud - watts become irrelevant 💪🏼
I see a full series of this coming 📹❤
The Quad Box is the star here...it is truly an impressive sub setup. Watts you talkin' about Willis(ton)?
This a genuinely a great video! Thank you for bringing back one of the most iconic design!!
Thanks for watching and commenting!
I remember seeing the audio shop guy running a room of 12s on the big US Amps back in the day.
(Yes. Literally a ROOM of 12s)
I was 17 years old, my mom helped me piece together enough money for a “small” US Amp. I ran two Volacano 12s SVC and an Orion XTR 12 DVC in a cord Festivals. 😂
lol, I remember Volcano Subs. Haven’t heard of them in years, it would be cool to find a set.
Miss the old days of 50 watt and 100 watt classes and passive x-overs.
Great video as always! Just imagine the output if this amp was paired with some oldschool subs in an SPL specific box, in an SPL friendly sized vehicle. I bet 140+ wouldn't be out of the question...
Oh yeah the vehicle could make all the difference. Jeep Cherokee or CRX might get close to 150
Those RF HDs were the cat's pajamas... very solid sound and tough as nails.
Thanks again and regards.
I’m from the 80’s s not surprised. Great video Brother!
The old stuff was mint. I had a clipse deck, old Boston acoustic rally 12 with ads amp and it pounded. I miss the old stuff. And I really miss my nakamichi deck from the old days.
All these old RF Punch amps were basically being given away at garage sales 15 years ago so glad I got some they are cool tech.
Awesome video,I did 2 30s on 6-series 1 15",another 30 on mids/ highs in xcab S10 back in 91-92,it sounded amazing and did low 140s,I just hated those speaker and power connections
Good lawd, one Punch 30 on six series 1 15's? Holeeee 😲
@wal 2 30s on 6 15",1 30 on mids and highs.those series 1 were extremely efficient
Man, you bought back memories, with the Series 1 subs
I watch all your videos, but this one was a lot of fun to watch!
Thanks for the feedback!
🔥 You never needed massive power to make the music sound good In fact I would bet it's the opposite. All you need is a clean signal some clean output sensitive speakers depending on the car some sound or vibration deadening in the area of the speaker. 💪🏾💪🏾 Great video broski!
Thanks for watching and commenting!
That Punch 75 would get interesting
My very first set up in high school, which was 1998, I had a pair of 12 inch through in Vegas in a ported box that I had made and a 100 W Kenwood amplifier. That system bumped. At least for a 16-year-old kid driving a Volvo. I couldn’t imagine using some of the equipment we have today.
The "peanut 30" was the nickname we gave that when we sold them. Was a good little amp at the time. The punch150 was our best seller. Another little amp that was even more impressive for what it was, Sony xm-2020. Sold for 99.99. Definitely the old days.
I remember a car in my town like this. It had an Orion 225 Hcca that was pushing 4 12s and the mids and tweeters in the doors. You had to use these massive boxes with the subs because the cones were so light that if you put them in something small they just resonated and sounded terrible. Crazy efficient though. Took very little wattage to make the car shake
I had the punch 45 on two 12 in a sealed enclosure in 4 oems mono. Good test and old school for the win. 🥇
Man!!!! Classic!!! I had 2 punch 45s and two Sherwood 70 70s. Man!!!!
Great test bigD although the results say more about the QuadBox than they do about the amp. Great idea for content keep working your way up through the old RFs on that thang!
Yesssss I'm sooo glad you did this is posted a few yrs ago how I had 4 12in jlaudio subs and metered 151 n change powered by 96 punch 200 ix. And had a gigantic box in a mini blazer filled entire back end. 2 subs facing backwards and 2 angled up with 3inch pvc ports each sub had its own chamber. It fricken SLAMMED. Bounced change out of cup holder and made keys in ignition dance insanely and wore paint off steering column lol back side window eventually shattered but before that it flexed like crazzzzzzy windshield flexed doors n everything. I backed that up at several stereo meets at absolute audio video and cars n stereos in rockford illinois 1996 1997 and 98. Lol good times and yes they killed with just a few hundred each sub
That was impressive but not surprised. Man I wish people would give lower powered systems a chance. Also watts are cool but they do not equal volume. Great video BigD!
Awesome!!!! yes be great to see others from this series
It's crazy when you broke a hundred Watts in the '80s you were ballin.... You broke a thought in the 90s just the same. I was contempt with my punch 60 DSM on my JL audio W6-10 bandpass box. Always was plenty loud for everyone
i used to have a 200w punch amp with a single 12 and it slapped hard for hours back in 2010, it kept going in hot summer and you could cook eggs on it.
I always considered my early builds low wattage at 500 watts rms, boy was I wrong 😂 great video
Gotta love the old school Fosgate
My first stereo in 94 was a LA Sound Malibu 120 on a 15 inch MTX road thunder II, in a ported tube from JC Whitney. It played low. Second system had a Punch 40 x2 and a Punch 100 x2 plus 2 12 inch punch in a bandpass box, and a Clarion 920 eq with a Pioneer Super Tuner III. LAF.
I'd love to see the quad box on an XS100 or XS50. Or on a 401M with 16 volts.
Here’s one I did a while back with the X50
140dB with Four 12's and 50 Watts? 1996 KICKER X50s vs KICKER Quad Box Test 2 [4K]
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Pretty cool technology that old can still work so good
I was thinking 130db...these amps always did well with subs. Had a Punch 45HD running mono to an Altec Lansing ALS12 in a 36hz tuned ported enclosure, and it hit HARD!
Much love... I love my Ol' Skool RF... They used to pound and still do in the real world..,.
I’m kinda shocked but I had a 2003 punch 301 powering two jl 12w6 at 1.5ohms and people didn’t believe it! That amp never failed!
I bought a Punch 30 brand new in 1988 to power 2 Rockford Fosgate 8 inch subs and it sounded great, especially in a Honda CRX.
The CRX was the perfect car audio boombox!
I had a punch 60 i think it was running two punch 15 and it bumped!... For the 90s😏 123db , i remember it having a chip on the bottom that pulled out and reversed to do different things 👌 best amp ever.
My fav was the punch 150. The older one. Had one playing 3dvc10s, 4 6.5 and 4 tweets. Still have the amp
Awesome amp!
Way back in the day when thump was still underground and mostly only in the hoods of Florida, we would use any 10-18inch woofers we could get and build boxes for them, there was no purpose built car subs back then afaik. We would get woofers at Radio shack 10s were $20, 12s were $40 and I think 15s were $50, they were called woofers not sub woofers, they did a good job. Then there was Booties pawn shop that had PYLE 10s, 12s, and 15s for around the same prices and they were pretty decent too.
then someone discovered EV and JBL and even PA and guitar speakers and that was the next level.
For amps we only had like alfasonik, hifonics, alpine, kenwood maybe even sherwood if i remember correctly then rockford fosgate came around and thumpin cars blew up!
I had a punch 45 running two fosgate 15" subs. Hit hard lol, loudest ride in high school
I thought I had a setup but some dude had four JBL 15's on a Zeus and would rattle the windows in the school driving down the street
Please put the beastly MTX Thunder 2300 on that box.
I knew a guy who had 8 kicker 12s on a Punch 45 in a chevy blazer. It was incredible.....
About 15 years ago I had a 92 accord with a punch 50 hd on a punch 18 in a ported box it was killer
My 1st real system was 4 JBL 6x9’s with punch 45 on each pair 4 pairs of 6.5 infinity components powered by one Punch 45. 4 15” kicker comps with a punch 150 on each set of subs Head unit was alpine 7525R. All installed by me and brother in law in my 1989 Nissian. Building the box in trunk through to back seat and adding alternator was extremely expensive overall on the build!
I think I guessed 131.66. There’s so many people that don’t understand how efficiency works. There’s been so many SQ installs with a single 10” that sound massive on 200 watts of total amplification.
My favorite has been the PPI art series for my full range and Alpine MRV1002 for the Infinity Kappa Perfects 12" Aluminum cone subs. Pioneer 6x9 in all 4 doors and silk dome tweeters on the upper door.
That’s crazy how much output 30 watts has on that box. I think the SUV part helps with the SPL but that’s so little power that it’s crazy.
Batdog Garage has a video on hitting 140db at different frequencies in his IB setup and it's shockingly low power
In my area the Punch 30 was nicknamed "Peanut" and hardly anyone ever bought or ran them. Most stayed with a couple of Punch 45's or Orion SX-222's.
Super cool! Reminds
Me of the old Orion red hcca amps. Back in 92 my brother and i had a rockford fosgate punch 45 pushing 2 pile driver 15s in a lowrider cutless you coud here it for at least a block or two away!
Also we used a 4 channel zappco to run 2 kicker 18 in a push pull clam shell design in my old honda accord use the spare tire well back in 91
My first introduction to car stereo was a friend with a punch 45 and 2 - 10" subs in a '58 VW bug. Blew me away
The *Kicker Quad Box* deserves more credit than the Punch 30.
You got that right! It can bump with as little as 30W and as much as 5000W
not really
it's all about the parts you pick and the way you configure them. prior to one of the local banks changing their alarm to a silent system sometimes at night just for giggles i used to pull up to the front of the bank and crank up my system and it would rattle the doors so hard it would set off the burglar alarm and the biggest amp in my system then was a 300 w bazooka monoblock, you know how the saying goes, it's not the size, it's how you configure it. You don't need thousands of watts to be loud, obnoxious and piss people off...
1 Punch 45 for 1 12" MTX blue thunder.
1 Punch 45 for 2 Fosgate Punch 10's.
Custom box, top 12, sides were 10.
1 Punch 30 for (6) 6x9's.
J.V.C cassette with an E.Q from JC Whitney.
All behind the Bench seat of an 1980 Dodge ram standard cab.
Motor swapped a 1968 360 C.I and 4.56 rear gears.
Yep, it had a 3" I.D Cherry B.. Muffler.
Fast and Very loud.
Ok.. so im gen x.. early 93 had this amp on x2 10" RF series one, if memory serves me correctly, in a isobaric bandpass tuned to about 35hz in what we have here known as a Nissan Champ Bakkie. Extended port punching through the firewall from the loading bay... simple setup, alpine headunit cant remember the model but it was, i believe, the first with a 4v output available in our market and a 61/4" RF split Front stage and some passive crossovers... with the help of the local RF team box 1 gave me a 128db, weeks of tuning, and on box 3, some serious stifning etc, we hit a 134.6db... now being some 30 odd years back i cant remember the finer details.. but we build a few monsters back then with very very basic stuff... doesnt make us good... just made us squeeze every bit out of what we had... thanks for the video and thanks for the nostalgic trip down memory lane lol
I'm not surprised. I ran two punch 15's with a punch 45 in a 1990 Mustang GT and it slammed. There was something about those amps that wattage just didn't matter.
I was way off in my first spl guess at 113.40 db but i was just trying to be cheeky with "O Hell" 'cause this this little gem was gonna pound!
I had a Punch 45 on a pair of JL 10w5's in a 4th order bandpass. Damn it got loud. Definitely louder and way more musical tonally than the Thump 4000 amp i was powering them with.
In the 90's had a precision power amp pushing two 10's probably only 300 Watts. Could hear me coming down the street. You don't need all that power to bang. Still have some old mtx amps in the garage. Sister in law sold the precision power to a pawn shop. Wanted to beat her.
No surprise here theres more to output than just watts, i have a 1yr old excelon amp rated at 500 mono @ 2 ohm that outperform a jp minimaxx rated for 1000 at 2 ohm in both output and sound quality
When I saw the title the answer was clear. It depends on the subs. It isn't going to power a Sundown Zv6 but hook that up to four Funky Pups and you might tear a hole in the spacetime continuum.
Funky Pups need Gigawatts to reach their optimal output tho 😜
Ah yes, I remember it well. Sound preferences and how they were achieved have changed quite a bit.
In 94 the Punch45dh & 2 JL 10in subs did all ya needed it to do and more.
I used a punch 45HD on (4) 15s !
And i did 137 . It was in a AMC Spirit.
That’s a clean install Big D! 😜
IKR? Next demo I do like this ill take more time on the install 😂
@ I’m just busting your balls. A lot goes into making a review video.
Not suprised. I built many cars with Orion 220GTs, Punch 45s, Orion 222SX, Hifionics Cupids, Hifonics Plutos. A "good" installer had two 15s off an Orion 2350 GS and four 10's off a 4 X110 Alpine and some Sony two channel on the front. I used a Pluto running three channel on a single 10 inch bandpass and two plate speakers. That guy assumed I had about 3000 watts as the car tried to resonate itself to pieces.
I had a n Orion Cobalt 430 running three channels on a pair of C-12s in a 1990 Trans Am. That hit 143 on my Audio Control Sa3050 with SPL 170 upgrade. Adding double the power is only going to go up another three db. I got more output bracing vehicles than anything else.
I still have two 222 SX Orions waitng to have some punch for lunch. Either you know or you don't.
Yes, this 30W amp can power four 12" subwoofers. In fact it NEEDS four or more big subwoofers to get loud. Big = high sensitivity dB/W. And because it's a good quality old school amp it will also sound awesome!
Brother had a 200w Sony amp back in 2000, pushed 2 12 inch onions louder than my 3500watt rms crescendo going to my 15inch Fi 3500watt rms sub. Was way louder and Mines not quite.
kicker quad box for the win i run 2 kicker comp R 12's in the kicker pre fab box (visibly great looking boxes from kicker) got them two years ago and it was extremely noticeably better than the 3 JL audio 10's i was running at the time :)