I doubt any cinematographers rely on autofocus...Vloggers yes, which is why many youtubers passed off the fpl. You are a few that appreciated the merits of the fp.
@@yunjae7552 for run and gun I have Canon f4 lenses. But for everything planned I have tons of vintage glass, many of my favorites have been old soviet glass love the helios 40
Autofocus is extremely important in the "prosumer" market. Any real cinematographer on a feature film set is using an arri, not an fx3 or a sigma. The way I see it, the FX3 knows its market
The Sigma lets you record up to 12 bit RAW at 1080p internally with a fast SD card for up to around 50 minutes, or 10 bit for almost an hour. With Sony's fastest Tough series SD (128GB) you can get 9 minutes in full 12 bit in 4K. If and when Sony makes 256GB or 512GB versions then more recording time. With a portable USB-C SSD such as the unique Delkin Devices Juggler (1 or 2 TB versions) then the world is your oyster. Also there is an LCD modification that makes it a full flip up screen. At present nothing can touch the Sigma FP/FP L.as a cinema camera. The true pocket cinema camera.
It is worth mentioning, that upscaling true cinema dng in davinci is excellent. Also shooting in 1080p eliminates problem with rolling shutter. And you can get really good slowmo in FHD up to 120 FPS
A great and interesting comparison which finally ‘gets’ the Fp (L). There are some other differences that are worth mentioning. The Sony allows Log where the Sigma doesn’t. The Sony also does 4K (UHD) up to 120fps, vs 30 on the Sigma. The Sigma DOES DCI, but only with an external recorder and that changes the way the sensor reads out. The Sigma’s extra resolution allows for a very capable range of crops / controllable sensor size. The Sony’s limited resolution means for 4K it has to be FF. No S35 or S16 or anything else. While you mentioned that an EVF is available for the Sigma, you didn’t mention that one is not available for the Sony (well, not by Sony). The Sony has better audio capabilities as well with included XLR inputs. Sigma has nice cinema features that aren’t directly mentioned, such as waveforms and shutter angle, which is a critique of the Sony being based on A7S III. Sony has significantly less rolling shutter also. But a great and interesting comparison for sure.
I normally shoot Sony gear, but just got the fp for the 12 bit raw,, and flying it fpv, and WOW! The footage looks great! I don’t have any autofocus lenses for it yet, so I can’t speak on that, but for hi quality video it’s definitely a keeper!
@@Kurtiskurtical Hey, I posted some test shots taken in my yard a couple of weeks ago. I can’t share some of the commercial shots I’ve done with it…yet…. It was pretty windy with the shots with the sunlight and I was flying the insider for those so it’s not stabilized quite as well. Also, forgot to interpret some of the footage from 30fps, to 24 so some clips are a bit stuttery, and I’m still learning the raw workflow for Davinci, but this should give you some idea of dynamic range and stabilization with gyroflow: th-cam.com/video/ccQ3n55j4JY/w-d-xo.html
Flip-up screen and the auto fucus are the two reasons I won't buy the fp l. But I love the design and the the formfactor. Nice and comoact. Would be the perfect camera.
If the FX3 had internal ND-filters (I know that would sacrifice IBIS) it would've had everything I need. I currently use 2 stills bodies and 1 cinema camera and would've wanted to reduce that to 1 stills body and 1 sufficient hybrid body, but I use the cine camera's internal ND's all the time so external filters are not an option and I think using shorter shutter speeds instead looks too unprofessional for paid work.
I disagree that owning the glass means you should buy the Sony. Why would you even buy the FP? For the autofocus? No. You would probably get cinema/anamorphic lenses. I would not buy manual focus lenses for my Sony cameras. For my TV show Infinite Simulations I'm going with three Sony FX30 with Tamron 17-28mm, 28-75mm, and two 11-20mm lens and one Sigma FP with an Sirui 35mm anamorphic lens. I might also pick up a set of Sirui and one set of 7Artisans L Mount cinema lenses and the Sony 28-135mm FE PZ F4 G OSS.
Everyone has different criteria for what qualifies as a cinema camera. Depending on how you define a cinema camera, the FP can both be considered a cinema camera and not. It also depends if your criteria are based on functionality, physical design or internal specs. Sigma FP has: True 24p Waveforms False Colors / CineEI Shutter Angle CDGI/RAW-video External DCI Custom Frame Guides Sigma FP does not have: Internal NDs Anamorphic De-squeeze Double SD/storage ports XLR-inputs Internal DCI SDI-outputs
I doubt any cinematographers rely on autofocus...Vloggers yes, which is why many youtubers passed off the fpl. You are a few that appreciated the merits of the fp.
I have two FP cameras and they are amazing. They are true pro film(movie) cameras in a tiny package.
@@meatbyproducts i just got the fp +45 2.8 package, what lenses do you like? There are so many choices im just lost
@@yunjae7552 for run and gun I have Canon f4 lenses. But for everything planned I have tons of vintage glass, many of my favorites have been old soviet glass love the helios 40
@@meatbyproducts thanks for the reply, ill have to search for vintage glasses then, im really excited what it will show me. Thanks!
Autofocus is extremely important in the "prosumer" market. Any real cinematographer on a feature film set is using an arri, not an fx3 or a sigma. The way I see it, the FX3 knows its market
I love the fp Unbelievable quality. And I prefer manual focus.
Agreed - image quality is stunning
The Sigma lets you record up to 12 bit RAW at 1080p internally with a fast SD card for up to around 50 minutes, or 10 bit for almost an hour. With Sony's fastest Tough series SD (128GB) you can get 9 minutes in full 12 bit in 4K. If and when Sony makes 256GB or 512GB versions then more recording time. With a portable USB-C SSD such as the unique Delkin Devices Juggler (1 or 2 TB versions) then the world is your oyster. Also there is an LCD modification that makes it a full flip up screen. At present nothing can touch the Sigma FP/FP L.as a cinema camera. The true pocket cinema camera.
Absolutely agree. It’s insane you get so many features for the retail price starting at $1,900.
But what about 4K 12 bit on the Sigma? Why did you compare 1080 on one to 4K on the other?
@@GameUnkasa For 4K you need to plug an external SSD.
It is worth mentioning, that upscaling true cinema dng in davinci is excellent. Also shooting in 1080p eliminates problem with rolling shutter. And you can get really good slowmo in FHD up to 120 FPS
A great and interesting comparison which finally ‘gets’ the Fp (L). There are some other differences that are worth mentioning. The Sony allows Log where the Sigma doesn’t. The Sony also does 4K (UHD) up to 120fps, vs 30 on the Sigma. The Sigma DOES DCI, but only with an external recorder and that changes the way the sensor reads out. The Sigma’s extra resolution allows for a very capable range of crops / controllable sensor size. The Sony’s limited resolution means for 4K it has to be FF. No S35 or S16 or anything else. While you mentioned that an EVF is available for the Sigma, you didn’t mention that one is not available for the Sony (well, not by Sony). The Sony has better audio capabilities as well with included XLR inputs. Sigma has nice cinema features that aren’t directly mentioned, such as waveforms and shutter angle, which is a critique of the Sony being based on A7S III. Sony has significantly less rolling shutter also. But a great and interesting comparison for sure.
And now the Sigma has EL Zone System to nail exposure. Every firmware update is making the Sigma better. 💪🏾
I normally shoot Sony gear, but just got the fp for the 12 bit raw,, and flying it fpv, and WOW! The footage looks great! I don’t have any autofocus lenses for it yet, so I can’t speak on that, but for hi quality video it’s definitely a keeper!
Hey Edward, I would love to see your FPV work with the Sigma fp. Please let me know if you ever post it on TH-cam.
@@Kurtiskurtical Hey, I posted some test shots taken in my yard a couple of weeks ago. I can’t share some of the commercial shots I’ve done with it…yet…. It was pretty windy with the shots with the sunlight and I was flying the insider for those so it’s not stabilized quite as well. Also, forgot to interpret some of the footage from 30fps, to 24 so some clips are a bit stuttery, and I’m still learning the raw workflow for Davinci, but this should give you some idea of dynamic range and stabilization with gyroflow:
th-cam.com/video/ccQ3n55j4JY/w-d-xo.html
Nicely done Ed, thanks for the comparison and offering your perspective on the fp L.
Searching for a camera, I see that you really listen to the customers, I don't see this Sony doing this we love to do this as customers.
Flip-up screen and the auto fucus are the two reasons I won't buy the fp l. But I love the design and the the formfactor. Nice and comoact. Would be the perfect camera.
What is the difference in terms of dynamic range? What does in camera 10bit mean and what has the Sigma in terms of that?
0:48 The Sigma FP does not have "active cooling". What you are pointing to is the heatsink between the sensor and the lcd. This heatsink is passive.
Honestly, a good thing. Less moving parts, fans that clog up, etc.
where is the footage ?
If the FX3 had internal ND-filters (I know that would sacrifice IBIS) it would've had everything I need. I currently use 2 stills bodies and 1 cinema camera and would've wanted to reduce that to 1 stills body and 1 sufficient hybrid body, but I use the cine camera's internal ND's all the time so external filters are not an option and I think using shorter shutter speeds instead looks too unprofessional for paid work.
Some of the Blackmagic pocket cinema cameras have internal ND filters but they are significantly larger than the FX3
@@qdaniele97 They do but they don't take photos so they're not great for hybrid work :)
ill always go for the raw.
I disagree that owning the glass means you should buy the Sony. Why would you even buy the FP? For the autofocus? No. You would probably get cinema/anamorphic lenses. I would not buy manual focus lenses for my Sony cameras. For my TV show Infinite Simulations I'm going with three Sony FX30 with Tamron 17-28mm, 28-75mm, and two 11-20mm lens and one Sigma FP with an Sirui 35mm anamorphic lens. I might also pick up a set of Sirui and one set of 7Artisans L Mount cinema lenses and the Sony 28-135mm FE PZ F4 G OSS.
bro can you make a footage comparison with connecting external recorder
I believe Sigma FP has better rolling shutter than FP L.
Fantastic camera, a real workhorse!
We shouldnt be commenting here but, heck, we never trusted sonys lower end cameras for any kind of cinematic excellence..truth.
The Creators was shot on FX3 and was one of the most good looking movie last year
Just got my FPL and my RED friends want one know lol 😂😂😂😂
Pretty sure that's passive cooling though. No fan on the FPL right?
No fan…but you still get unlimited recording at all resolutions and frame rates.
If we use manual lens than sigma is good
Passive cooling, but its cool anyway :)
LoL you should review sigmaFP L and title it as Gopro killer
Go pro killer? What a joke, they call the FP The ARRI killer.
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Please do the full review of the legion slim 7
it's coming...I've been sick. No worries
@@TheDigitalDigest oh im sorry to hear that. May you have speedy recovery 🙏
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Sigma is good than Sony
… so the Sigma fp L is a cinema camera?! 🙈
indeed
Everyone has different criteria for what qualifies as a cinema camera. Depending on how you define a cinema camera, the FP can both be considered a cinema camera and not. It also depends if your criteria are based on functionality, physical design or internal specs.
Sigma FP has:
True 24p
Waveforms
False Colors / CineEI
Shutter Angle
CDGI/RAW-video
External DCI
Custom Frame Guides
Sigma FP does not have:
Internal NDs
Anamorphic De-squeeze
Double SD/storage ports
XLR-inputs
Internal DCI
SDI-outputs