4 Reasons Why I Sold SIGMA fp
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 มิ.ย. 2024
- Nine Month Review of the Sigma fp. Top four complaints and negatives I had using that camera on a daily basis.
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He earned a lot making video on fp and after making every possible content on fp. He sold it and still got decent amount back so win win situation.
🤷🏼♂️ I still stand by what i’ve said from day one: Best Cinema Camera for the Price. Also i think its important to note that this channel has NEVER been sponsored nor paid by Sigma. I bought this camera and all the accessoties with my own money. Was never even talked to by Sigma until my original video on the fp hit 300K views. #neverbeboughtneverbesold
After making a lot of videos glorifying the camera helping to price rise and AFTER selling it, guy makes a video destroying it 😂.
😅 Some men just like to watch the world burn
I agree. I’m glad I’ve been patiently weighing the cinema cameras I’m looking at for future purchase
i regret getting a sony instead of this ,i still chose quality over good af, this camera is underrated 12bit cdng raw a good companion with my bmpcc’s
A TH-camr’s opinion about a camera is as useful as wet paper.
Ya not a good look
I still love the images from it. Not yet seen the banding. But for the image quality, size, price ratio it’s unbeatable. I don’t use the evf but do have the dark power swivel screen. All the exposure and focus tools are fantastic and really easy to use. Ticks all the boxes for me. Really appreciate all the effort you’ve put into the fp videos. Been very informative. Thank you.
I like the tone and pace of this Justin. Doesn't feel condescending and easily palatable as a student. Nice job!!
Been using the Sigma FP for a couple of years now. it's a fantastic little camera that punches way above it's weight. I just use a good variable ND to expose correctly. It does everything I expect a good cinema camera to do, I've even matched it perfectly with Arri Alexa footage. In my opinion the footage from the FP looks way better than any Sony Camera.
Oh i do agree with the image quality, it is superb
The image is amazing, but the lack of mechanical shutter was always a problem for more “professional” photo work. Maybe a sigma fp with global shutter in 2045 will be perfect! :D
The image is amazing, but the lack of mechanical shutter was always a problem for more “professional” photo work. Maybe a sigma fp with global shutter in 2045 will be perfect! :D
Upon your recommendation I bought the camera primarily for video. With the electronic view finder attached by thumb screw to the camera body and by adding the dark power attachment to the viewfinder I found that the EVF thumbscrew becomes inaccessible and cannot be tightened and it does come loose often enough to be a major nuisance because when loosed the external Dark matter drive becomes stops capturing. Wish there was some kind of plate to prevent this. Dark power, are you listening?
It’t unfortunate you leave SIGMA fp. You have given alot of fp related content, which are super informative and one of reasons I bought the camera as a start up cinema entusiast. I won’t be selling mine as its use is cinema and photography is secondary. There are not many who are in the realm of Sigma fp, but I want to thank you for a rich insight of this beast of a niché camera! And you have a valid reasons to leave the camera. I hope Sigma listens to the issues the camera has. Especially higher resolution isn’t the answer for camera found its best usability, it’s the basics should be in order, before it found its best perfomance. But they did pave the way what a cinema camera can do!
3:44 - if you're working with a client that is going to doubt what you're doing and micro-managing your work to the point they give you shit over what they see on the monitor and not taking your word for it...stop working with that client.
Thanks for the great videos. I do LOVE my FPL. I primarily use it for photography. I’m pretty sure the autofocus system is better on the FPL vs the Fp. (Contrast detection vs contrast + phase detection) But I completely understand your issue with banding. I use auto iso for indoor shooting so I can quickly adjust shutter speed to eliminate the banding. I do exclusively use the rear screen for viewing and always check the preview as it shows right after the shot. But for quick street photography or sports or wildlife, I understand how this might not be the ideal solution. Side note, I’m kinda shocked there isn’t a banding compensation option built into editing software like there is for vignetting.
James, I'm with you about loving the fp for stills. I have a variety of Sigma SA-mount lenses that adapt well to it with the Sigma MC-21 SA-L adapter, and I use fully manual Pentax 645-A lenses with adapters, as well. I make my little NWPipesmoker vids with it - usually - and wish then that it had a flippy screen. But I disagree with Justin about it having no soul. I've got a Pentax 645Z with a huge mirror-box clunk, and while it has soul, I'm happy with the silence and 'no moving parts' shutter of the fp. But he's quite right - we all use our cameras uniquely.
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I don’t do photos. Curious why you would still recommend this over the 6k pro? Thanks!
Does the flickering issue happen in video mode? If I’m in Europe so I know to shoot 25fps and set shutter to 50fps - will the banding turn up?
I’m an owner of Sigma cameras that go back to the DP1 as well as the FP and I’m also a film photographer. I love these cameras. What sigma doesn’t share with it’s customers is that their cameras are not point and shoot cameras, they must be treated like a film camera in the hands of a Cartier-Bresson type (Leica M6) photographer to get great images. Set the camera at 100 iso, set lens to f8, distance at 2 meters, hunt for good light and composition, adjust shutter speed for the desired exposure and snap, all preset. Memorize hyperfocal tables. Shutter speed gets too low, brace yourself against a wall or bring out a tripod. That’s what all the famous street photographers do. Justin, you are absolutely right about the tool has to fit your needs and this camera is not for you. Sigma is pretty arrogant about the critics. Read the reviews on the Sigma DP1 from 2008. They never listened and stubbornly continued to produce basically the same camera to this day as a new model. All that criticism and still the 2008 DP1 is my main go to camera for street photography today because it fits my style. You’re vids are great!
I don't agree that they are arrogant at all. Quite the opposite compared to many other companies. I don't know what issues you refer to, but their goal has always been the same with the current CEO; image quality first. The foveon sensor has physical limitations but also opportunities, and that is why I enjoy it so much. I have all variants of their dp cameras, and they have different strengths and usage. What one can see is the progress they have made over the years. I still use them together with SDs and fps. You get something different with Sigma, and that is what I like. Besides, they have always been lens manufacturer. Cameras are something they made as they could and wanted to. They are a small company and do not have resources like the other companies. Hence, they had to prioritise what to include in their cameras. I like a lot that none of my Sigma cameras need a flight mode setting f.ex.
@@innstikk totally agree with you. I also own all the DP’s and love them. Arrogance is too strong a word, sorry. Since 2008 we’ve provided feedback thinking Sigma would make some improvements but honestly the current DP is only a higher resolution camera of the 2008 version, same review criticisms, but I like that sigma takes that position. Like you said, it’s all about the image. Sigma cameras are indeed special in the right hands. The foveon sensor in the DP’s is pure voodoo. Digital film is the best way to describe it. My FP is also amazing for stills. I have the full set of contax zeiss lenses from my film days and they’re always with my FP. I never use autofocus so sigma’s slow autofocus is not an issue for me. The color science is outstanding. The led light banding sucks, but, oh well, shit happens. Thanks Justin for all the research and tips you provided!
@Sam Lira You cannot say that the dp quattro handles like the dp OG. But if you mean high iso capabilities, then that is down to physics with the unique sensor design.
Banding with the fp due to lack of mechanical shutter can be handled. In Europe we have 50Hz current, so if you shoot at 1/100 you won't see banding. If you are in a country with 60Hz, then 1/60 should work. I'm not sure if 1/125 also works. This is also the reason we use 1/25 with 180 degrees shutter angle for filming for all cameras. I remember with BMPCC I had to shoot 1/24 at 172 indoors, not to get flicking until I realised this 😅
Agreed, Sigma cameras are not point and shoot.
Sadly this thread is more about where photography is going. It’s not about the camera. People just want to push the shutter button and get an award winning photo. They don’t want to fiddle with settings. I get it. If someone wants a photo of their daughter standing next to their best friends, an iPhone is perfect. Justin shoots RED cameras so he knows to change shutter angle to deal with led flicker but he doesn’t want to deal with settings for stills. There’s a misconception that the great Magnum street photographers just pulled out their camera and pressed the shutter button. Absolutely not. They took their time. Their contact sheets have half to a whole film roll of the same shot. The actors move within their composition and minor exposure adjustments are made but it’s not point and shoot like people think.
I actually got a very good deal on my Sigma fp. I even bought it cheaper here than what it was selling on B&H back in the day even with the price drop. I'm one of maybe two in my country who bought the camera, and my photography and filmography friends still think I'm crazy for buying it. I actually enjoy the pictures I take with it. They have a different feel to them, if that makes sense. I want to treat the pictures I take with it like film, meaning, I don't want to edit. I shoot film as well, and both serve as cameras for occasions and nostalgic purpose. I know this is a weird approach, but it works for me, and I don't see myself selling my Sigma fp (not to mention nobody would buy it off of me even if I wanted).
ALSO, I can shoot great quality raw video in places I would be told off if using a BMPCC 6K for example.
I loved the part about tools and how they depreciate. I agree the point is the outcome, the final image. Thank you again for insightful videos.
I use electronic shutter almost exclusively on my Lumix GX8 and as such I *totally* agree with your reluctance to keep a camera without a mechanical option. Using a flash on the GX8 requires me to switch outta e-shutter & it's a bit of a hassle, but if I had an FP I wouldn't be able to do that under any circumstances.
Hopefully we'll get some global e-shutter sensors one of these days!
I just bump up the exposure on the client monitor and they haven't caught on yet. ;) I haven't used it for photography and probably won't. It is a straight up film (B) camera for me. It pairs nicely with my BMPCC 4K when I need a smaller rig. I'll probably hold on to it at least until BlackMagic releases a box camera or there is a new FP. I'm just not a fan of Sony cameras, even though my daily point and shoot is the ZV-1.
While not quite the same thing, it was some similar small annoyances that made me sell my BMPCC 4K a few years ago. Like you said, at the end of the day a camera is a tool and if it's not enjoyable to use, what's the point?
Does that issue with banding and flickering happen when shooting video too? and Has it got any issues with moire? Do you need to add IR-cut filtration when using NDs? Cheers
IR pollution not really an issue. The rolling electronic shutter does relay over to video. Camera needs to be super stabilized.
Weird timing for your video considering Sigma is releasing new firmware tomorrow (Feb 8th). Nothing that would have changed your mind, but I know you would have been keen to explore the False Color EL Zone option. Also, Open Gate as an option in Director's Finder mode will be interesting if there is clean HDMI out of that to an Atomos/Blackmagic.
I'm confused about the Open Gate in Director's Finder. Does it allow only to view in anamorphic ratios or is there a benefit beyond using it just as...well, Directors Finder for compositions? In other words, does it allow anamorphic recording other than using 16:9 sensor size with anamorphic lenses? If not, what makes it "Open Gate"?
@@taikanekkula5386 I wrote that BEFORE getting my hands on the FW update. Anamorphic Mode in Director's Finder works for viewing purposes only (if you are shooting RAW) so is of limited use.
@@alexiskobalt7450 Ok. Thanks for your reply about the open gate.
Thoughts on converting all of that beautiful komodo glass (or even any Canon RF/EF glass, and beyond) on say an FX30? Super 35 is Super 35. Seems (based on your checklist) to be a perfect match. Its working for me! My point and shoot uses the same glass, gives me the same flexibility, and still has that sony auto-foc for point and shoot when I need it.... on the fly.
I suspect you are trying the FX3 for the full frame. Might I suggest the FX30 to accomplish the full flexibility in what is your workflow/requirements.
Love the channel. Love the honesty. Totally Love the Indy Vibe. Cheers.
The lack of a mechanical shutter should have told you this camera was never intended for stills.
😅 you aint wrong about that. Funny it has a full STILLS side though doesn’t it? And even more odd that they market the fp-L as the Photo version. Guess most missed the point i was trying to make
Dude we’re you able to use that sandisk for 12 bit raw for longer than 20 seconds ? I can’t seem to get it to work
I read in comments somewhere on the internet that the S5ii has the same sensor as the FP... I was just about to pull trigger on the FP because of your video. For me image first over ease of use.... is the S5ii the way to go? Cheers :)))
probably so, i am not aware of same sensor though. I highly doubt it is, but maybe. The reason why i say doubtful is because Sony made the fp's sensor. I'm not sure if Sony is making Lumix sensors. I think Leica and Lumix are partners, so it'd be wherever Leica buys their sensors, which they are usually pretty discreet about. However, there is rumour that the M11 sensor is made by Sony...so....yea i guess Sony rules the world😆
Did you pickup the s5ii or sigma fp? I have the s5ii and already in the L mount. It makes it a pretty easy choice from a lens perspective.
Spot on. These (+jelly effect on photos) are the exact reasons that I only use fp for videography, landscape, and scanning 35mm film.
Great video!
Do you have an opinion on cameras like the FX30? Where does that stand as a video camera to you, compared to the A7sIII/?
i am not a fan of crop sensor for photography
Great job man, I'm very happy to hear about your experience with this camera, but could you answer one question? Does it use the same lenses as the Sony FX30 and FX3?? Could you tell me more about which lenses she uses?
L mount. So Sigma & Leica glass.
Would be cool if you tested the panasonic s5iix, feels lilke it would be right down your alley as well. (stronger on video than the Sony, and comparable in photos now for the most part)
Wow! My Sigma sdQuattro with the Foveon sensor(a 100 ISO only sensor, upto 800 is usable in monochrome, if you intend to have studio quality images) has a much more realistic flash sync speed than the fp's. Clearly not meant for flash photography then but shocked that this was the case for the fpL too. I guess they have some costs cut to employ these as sensors..Kinda strange. Probably due to the lack of the shutter and electronic shutters not being at amazing readout levels as they're now. Overall I still have good vibes from Sigma as a company but perhaps they just can't make good modern cameras.
I have the sdQuattro purely because of my committed decision to stick with APS-C and just needed something for studio work practice that comes closer to Medium format image quality on a lower price level. Obviously it's no GFX or PhaseOne. The sdQuattro too of course has highly restricted use parameters but the beauty of Foveon is that it never claimed or aimed to be a competition to modern cameras. Which sadly was not the case with the fp's. Also, one can make the sdQuattro a reversible IR camera with it's in built filter/dust protector and then adding a suitable filter on the lens, which I find to be really versatile without having to spend a bomb and possibly ending up with an IR only camera that will live mostly on a shelf. They do have some incredible build quality though. In the words of Mattias Burling, the Quattros feel like they're made of cast iron. Just makes you want to get out there and use it with it's trademark slowed down photography process which helps make one be more intentional with their compositions and for that the Quattro is well worth it, for me at least. My paid work cameras are Fuji's for those who may be wondering.
I bought my FP used for a steal before I saw any of your videos, so I'm not weirdly hurt by your choice to sell yours. I also find the camera very frustrating, but not for any reasons you mentioned. I would never use an EVF with the FP and nearly double it's size. The LCD works fine and beats any BM camera I have used in daylight. I only shoot film stills so that's not an issue. And although the highlights do kinda suck, I feel they offer a nice glow even when blown out. I agree that the image looks way better when the highlights are over-protected and exposure is nailed dead center or a half stop under. The problem with the FP is its size. I understand Sigma's desire to make the smallest Full Frame camera, but that novelty becomes a double edge sword as soon as you really start using the camera. The small size is great, and one of its greatest attributes, but you need a cage, which are harder and harder to come by, to make it usable. It's still small enough, though. Then when you add the SSD, the camera becomes stupid big and since the camera only plays well with a very few drives, with the T5 not even on the market anymore, it makes the camera even more annoying. My main camera, for the past 5 years has been a 5D Mark III with ML Raw and its crazy that a hacked camera works better than the FP in most ways. I regret buying the FP almost every time I use it and am forced to attach a stupid SSD to the camera. I'm half tempted to just fork out the money for the SD cards and shoot internal 8bit 4K CDNG for a B&W delivery and really make it a niche' camera. With all that said, when you get the footage into the computer and see the image it's capable of... the annoyances disappear... until the next time I use the camera again. Rinse and repeat. A positive of the Sigma over my 5D3 is being able to use my Minolta and FD lenses, so that is a bunch of fun, especially the 35mm 1.8 I bought for next to nothing attached to a Minolta XD-11... which works as well. Another HUGE positive of the FP is the second 3200 Native ISO. For the stuff I want to make, it's a luxury. I've even had good success shooting in daylight at ISO 3200 and a variable ND. The highlights melt away to a blown glow that's strangely attractive and they can accept some color to emphasize the time of day of shooting. Anyway, I feel your pain, but I think I misinterpreted your reason for owning the FP... I thought you bought it to use for your own run and gun cinema projects where the Komodo wouldn't be a practical choice, like your single episode of Spent. I was eagerly awaiting episode 2... I really enjoyed the first episode and feel you captured a grittiness akin to the Bosch series on Amazon Prime. Oh well. Good luck. I think a bunch of your subscribers may have been here due to the FP coverage.
Btw, sorry for the novel-sized comment
Glenn I also shoot with the fp, I agree with what you're saying, but there is no way the screen is better then the 6k pro, It's the best monitor I've ever had ON a camera (not external) really amazing.
@@bedenegative6450 Good to know, thanks! As I said in my comment, the FP screen is better than any BM camera that I have shot with. I've never shot the 6K Pro. As I'm sure you know, the marvel of the FP is the small size camera with a FF sensor at a ridiculous cheap price. Even with its annoyances, the camera is pretty damn special. Delineating the cdng files as BM Film in Resolve's Raw Tab, clicking Highlight Recovery and then with a few simple corrections (LUT or basic tools) and the image looks great. I still prefer my 5D3 with ML Raw though.
interesting video, will there be a “why I got an FP again!”-video in a few months?
Thanks for the reality check that cameras are just tools in our hands!
I despise autofocus in my FP, but I'm too afraid of losing raw recording and tinkering with white balance in post... I'd love to have reliable af and raw capabilities but there's nothing like that on the market rn
Reliable AF and Raw? Canon C200 is your camera! It does both very well
The S5IIX might be the answer to our prayers. And it takes the same lenses!
Meh, to each their own. It was nice to have you in the FP fam for a short period of time. It is an extremely niche camera. It ain’t for everyone. ✌🏻
Now you know you couldn’t post this and not get friendly heat from me. I will say if photography is your jam for this camera, you chose an a7siii as you street photo camera? Prints on that should be fun. I know you have something else cooking, but you know I had to give you shit. ❤
I do think the banding is crazy at time, I always adjust the shutter to compensate. On top of that the AF is just terrible, there is no solution😂 the FP L is slightly better but still bad.
I will absolutely disagree with the “no soul” comment. I think these cameras have to most soul in the hands of someone that is willing to work around the quirks.
Still love you my dude, but I had to chime in since this is my baby 😂 it’s like defending a child
I felt like this when you sold the S1H hahahahaha
Just to clarify, the a7Siii was bought for doc work. My corporate clients & Clients that didnt have budget for RED or 1st AC, and my talking heads for TH-cam.
@@JustinPhillip Just wondering, does $2K in cam purchase price, makes that much of a difference in final product pricing ... 🤔
@@makestuffmike LOL oh no! I’m sorry. I really liked the camera! 😂
@@Ansonandco hahahaha yeah it’s a beefy brick of a camera! Might have mine literally forever lol.
S'ok Justin' You gave it alot* Having fun w/ my as intended entry level fp cinema camera that captures some silly cool stills too. $250 Dark Power tilt screen did it for me. Note; fp version 5.0 (Feb8) to include 'Ed Lachman' zone system exposure mode ~
unfor the zebra & waveform just work right at 100 & 3200 iso, in between, you must use the false color, when you go back to the waveform is a massive overexposed but is not in Davinci when using black magic film / highlight recovery.. banding /flicker must be fixed with shutter angle.....
End your miseries and buy Leica q for your photo needs.
FP is amazing for low light tho, I am selling my s1r because Sigma destroys it when comparing noise same as FP destroys FPL in low light situations (stills+video).
LOL this guy, men...you just get exited too quickly. Should have kept the FP as an action camera. Many shoots you can only get with something this small. I love the FP and its full frame sensor.
I don't understand why it cannot capture highlights properly with such a massive sensor and dynamic range. Do you know if this was addressed in a firmware update? I never had this problem with the old bmpcc shooting even in 8bit. I was excited about this camera, the form factor is tremendous!
Not sure if its a FW issue. More of a sensor issue i would imagine. Just dont let it clip, ever.
Ahh what a pity! Would you say the dynamic range is still good filming on 8bit? I haven't seen many vids on yt about this and I don't feel like throwing 800 bucks for a test ride lol @@JustinPhillip
thanks for the video ❤
Saw your Sigma FP Craigslist Ad. And recently your TH-cam video on why I sold my FP. I was interested in the camera, I read FP uses 7III sensor and FP has 11 stops of dynamic range but comparing it to Red Komodo might not have been fair, should have compared to Sony 7S3, FX3 or FX30.
On the same page as you with my FP that i returned to B&H a couple years ago? That and the lack of any sort of decent ibis was the dealbreaker. However, I did manage to take some of my most favorite, visually stunning photos I've ever taken, when banding wasn't an issue. IMO this camera rivals the Leica Q's in image quality and depth
It does have a beautiful color science
This is a great and informative video. Bummed that you are no longer an owner simply because you won’t be creating anymore FP content.
I also primarily shoot still photography and shoot tiny shorts ~30s. I have owned sigmas before (I really like their color science and the Merrill DP2 was one of my most fun cameras of all time) as a result I always set the EV to under expose and I almost always have an ND filter on the lens. After watching this video I became curious about the banding complaint as this is an issue often with electronic shutters.
I usually shoot in aperture priority with auto iso within set range, and mostly manual focus vintage or converted lenses. I have never noticed any banding, your video made me curious so I poured through 100s of additional photos; low light, high light, indoors and outdoors, tripod no tripod, bursts, and interval timed exposures. I couldn’t find any photos with banding; and I really looked sometimes even allowing myself to follow a shadow and try and convince myself there was some banding.
Has anyone else not had any banding issues? I wonder if this is a camera sensor issue affecting batches of cameras or if there is something about the way I shoot and my settings that has prevented banding.
You should get the Canon M100/200 + 22mm f2 for street photography. I love that combo 😜
I hope Sigma will make a photography Sigma FP one day...the absence of a mechanical shutter and of the tilt screen are the only reasons of why I never considered that camera.
I’ve been shooting for over 50 years. I have 10 cameras and 25 lenses. I have my grandmother’s cameras, and she was born in 1898. I have my mother’s cameras. In addition to my current kit, I bought a Minolta SRT 101 in 1972 with a Rokkor lens, an SX-70 in 1974, an F3HP in 1984 and a bunch of other cameras in between and since. I was walking the streets of Manhattan and buying cameras in NYC before B&H was in existence.I bought a Leica S007 from Samy’s in 2016. I still have my original Minilux from 1998. I currently have a 7ii and an H2F. And I have an fp which is quite good for stills. I am shooting it with Leica and Voigtlander glass. It is clearly not my only camera as I know its limitations, but it is easily capable of outperforming my SL2-S. Do I own or wish to have a Sony? Nope. The moral is: you have to have a lot of cameras and lenses to get the shot.
Severely bummed you will not be posting FP videos anymore. I bought mine because of your videos. Sony “non-film-like” colors are horrendous. Shocked you did not address this in your video. You love dreamy manual lenses but that look will be ruined by Sony’s worst-in-class color palette. I’m still a huge fan but I’m truly disappointed. Please keep doing FP videos. You can borrow mine anytime for free.
I love Sigma fp. Whith each firware update it's gettig better and better. The only reason I switch to newer camera is if Sigma releases Sigma fp mark 2, or...mybe...if it comes out any time soon Lumix S1H II.
What about shooting video 30fps DNG and use as 30 DNG raw picture por second?
Hello,
Thank you for sharing all of your experience with this camera.
With all the pros the cons, the footages, I could determine it's a camera that would suit me.
It's actually the only affordable camera that gives me the same image feeling as my Blackmagic Micro Cinema Camera, but in 4k.
For a reason I couldn't determine, even a recent x-h2s doesn't have this "organic" look.
I don't even consider Sony cameras, who, in my very personal opinion, have clinical cold images.
Well, again, thank you !
Glad it was helpful!
Have you looked into the S5 mk 2 or the XH2-S? Those look like some great low budget hybrid cameras at similar price points.
i do fuji colors, unfortunately, i can't do full frame for photography. Just my own personal aesthetic. And no way i'll ever throw down on their medium format.
Does any of the recent sigma firmware updates that improves exposure issues in photography could have fixed some of your issues
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I’ve been shooting the fp hard for a while now… just concluded a two week, 5 state, passion project and the banding/flickering is real, but I still love it. Shooting night city shots there is a flickering on certain types of lights but it is a still a gem.
I’ve sorta leaned into the defect, and most of my non photographer pals don’t even notice or when I point it out to them they think it’s just the nature of that light and don’t see it as a defect.
Nice! Power of the shooter, not thr tool!
@@JustinPhillip I’ll take it! I bought mine initially having watched all your reviews including this one and have no regrets and no surprises. Tested the crap out of it long before this trip and found it did what I needed. There were days I had it fully rigged out with a screen and big batteries etc in the desert and run and gun days in NY and SF with it stripped down to just a cage and the lenses. Good tool, phenomenal for the price.
This guy is so smug probably the hardest presenter to watch
Excellent analysis. And you sure didn’t BASH the camera like some people are claiming here.
I bought the fp when it first came out, but it’s been sitting in the closet ever since, because other hobbies got in the way. And I’m lazy.
I bought it because I know NOTHING about cine, but wanted 12 CDNG to learn Resolve. So, at its price point, and what it’s capable of, it IS a fantastic entry level camera…capable of advanced stuff as well.
Visiting my old home town of NYC next month after two decades away, and I plan to put her through the paces using just a Helios 44-2, shooting 12 CDNG, and leaving all my other lenses at home.
I have a decent amount of good M42 glass, and I expect it will be a lot of fun shooting them on the fp.
Oh it will most def will
I happen to have that Leica pancake lens. It costs the same as a used fp now so might as well give it a go
For sure. That little Leica 18mm is an amazing little lens. Was just thinking about that last night. It blows any sigma l mount glass out of the water, (and i tested them all!).
Thanks for the vid - I’d buy a X-Pro1 for my photo needs and shoot cinema on the FP
Very honest and so true! Thanks bro!
My pleasure!
all very reasonable reasons. Just want to say though- even though the camera lacks a lot of features people want, when it comes to image and video quality, I haven't found any camera even remotely in this price range that can make cinematic footage quite like this little beast. I don't understand how such a small, cheap camera can produce high-end footage like it does.
yes, i also agree with this
You have made some good observations about the Sigma however I think comparing it to the A7S III which is double the price of the Sigma is not a good comparison. It would be better to compare it to something similar in price.
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....and you honestly prefer the Sony colour science. Come on. You are kidding yourself
It’s amazing how many people are just looking for a guru who tells them what camera to choose and how to use it. As if the camera was the magical tool to produce magical images. And when the « guru » moves forward, they feel betrayed. As you said, camera are just tools. We should be interested in the images and not the tools. Watching you leaving the fp is useful : it’s another piece of information for your audience, that the fp is not perfect and that sometimes you have to drop it. But every real cinematographer and DP knows that and does that. They are not married to camera. They married to their images. Asking someone to stick to a piece of gear is seriously misunderstanding the artistic process. Continue with the great channel Justin.
Your videos on the FP were really well done. Still odd, though, that after so much love and effort on the cinema qualities you just wanted a full-frame point and shoot. Why not as a B or C cam on your Komodo gigs? All that said, Sigma has (had?) a great concept with the FP, but did not think it through enough. And who in sales management thought it would be a great idea to jack the price back up???
I bought this camera knowing most of the drawbacks you mention✅ for £1350 in pristine condition. I intend to use it only as a travel companion for landscape using my L mount lenses as the SL2-S is too big to hump around Japan on trains etc. Waiting for the Laowa auto focus 10mm to hit the shops next week and then hopefully I fill the landscape gap left by my Q3 (which comes as well for street and EDC). The sigma will do focus bracketing and ISO6 ND shots so a nice small package for most landscape and architecture needs. Not getting the EVF it’s a waste of time going for the LCD viewer (collapsible) another space saver. I’m not sure how you ever thought this could be a street camera, electronic shutter just does not work for that genre regardless of any other issue. You are a great video guy. Congrats! Ken
Major disappointment….. the Laowa 10mm does not have autofocus in L Mount. Back to the drawing board, will have to lug around my giant sigma 14/24 for the time being!!.
Why did the “Paula Dean Banding slide change” sound effect sound like the beginning of My Milkshake brings all the boys to the yard?
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I've been tempted to pickup an older Nikon D810 or something just for photography. They're cheap and it's hard to beat for stills.
3:13 this is in common with the EOS RiP.
A camera that tends to overexpose and burn the clouds... for me it's nope. (As I do a lot of landscapes)
Right now, I'm wondering whether to get the SIGMAfp or the Sony a7CII, a compact full-frame mirrorless camera, as my entry-level cinema camera. The SIGMAfp's RAW has a unique color depth and is cheap. The Sony a7CII is also quite compact, and if you add a viewfinder for the SIGMAfp, it costs the same as the Sony a7CII with a telephoto lens. The Sony has a Sony feel to it, but it can produce unique RAW. I'm poor, so I can't buy both. I'm in trouble.
If you’re doing strictly video, fp would still be my choice.
Do you think the fp is fetter than the FX30?
Depends on your needs. Do you do run and gun and need reliable AF? Sony it is. Do you value IQ over all else? Sigma.
Update to This Video: RESPONDING TO 80% OF YOU & DEBUNKING SIGMA'S NATIVE ISO 800
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I subscribed to your channel because I thought you can guide my journey with the sigma FP. I wanted to get a Sigma fp-L for my architecture and interior design photography just because it had the colors, ISO6, 61 mp, small form factor, infinite mods to put on it and so on. I assumed it worked well with my Cambo technical camera, did the research and it does. Now I`m double disappointed that you`ll switch to fuji and I won't get my sigma because of this :)). Hope Sigma will produce a better fp camera for photographers and you'll hump it like never before.
Fuji?? Oh no no , i wish i could afford to go medium format. But no i cant do crop sensor for photos
Yo @@JustinPhillip wanted to reply a bit about the flickering issue. After research, I compared the sigma fp-L with a phase one IQ4. I did that because IQ`s don't have a mechanical shutter and they are the best digital backs in still image for decades. Guess what? It flickers, it's dead silent, it deforms fast objects and it costs from 15.000 to 51.000 dollars (how much was your RED Komodo? :))) ) depending on how much resolution you want to have (max is 150). They have indeed a anti-flickering software option that changes either 50Hz or 60Hz, depending on the bulb at what Hz works it solves the problem. It's in their manual.
Considering that... sigma fp, fp-L remains a solid still camera design for still images and not for street - sports, candid photography as photo-hobby people want to think (yep your in that pool too, you got the "cine" right but got the "still" wrong). The still mode on the sigma is for high-end photography witch by the way it's the same as the cine mode, it's an advanced entry lvl camera for film makers that is not for everyone.
Your style of photography doesn't match up with the technical aspects of the camera that implies to make photography. Don't get angry you`re still a good cine dude! The issue ... is not actually an issue, that's the way a electronic shutter (bayer sensor) works and probably they will introduce a firmware update to have Hz options to solve it if they can, or at the next camera iteration they will put the foveon sensor.
What's going to be your every day stills camera now?
stay tuned!
Man, I bought the Sigma Fp and I have none of that problem described by you...lets take all the cameras in the world and compare it, you will find atleast 2 or more cons in it....Full Frame and DNG thing, in 1500$, dont compare it to Sonys whose CINE starts from ATLEAST 4000$ or more...you know the price as well...Sigma Fp “YOU PAY FOR THE PRICE”
I shoot tons of timelapse videos with fp. Never encountered any banding artifacts.
Great review. I really want to like the FP but the banding and highlight issues are just unacceptable to me, especially as someone who shoots alot indoors and at night with artificial lighting. I would live to rig this camera out with the LVF11 and hand grip and stuff as it feels almost like a super8 or hassy or something with those attachments but it's not gonna be worth the money if a lot of the shots are coming out like that.
Maybe a sigma fp L 2 is on the horizon in 2024 where perhaps they fix the readout speed and improve how the sensor handles highlights. If they can correct those issues to the point where banding, exposure latitude, and rolling shutter are for the most part no longer an issue, then I would definitely buy this camera. As it stands now though I'd rather look more into GFX despite it being much larger, these issues are non existent. There are also a lot more high megapixel full frame cameras hitting the market with mechanical shutters.
Yupp, my sentiments exactly
"Clencher" vs "Clincher." That's a video I would pay to see.
😂 Dam good catch!! Smh
Love the build of the sigma fp. If they can just fix all those issues you have
Yeah, I have had a similar experience. I bought my FP for a great price soon after it was launched. I won’t be selling it however as it does everything I need simply and elegantly for video.
I do like it for stills, but in a limited way. The image quality is superb. I’ve had leica Q, M240 and CL.
I shot a band on tour and took my FP and the CL (both L mount). Shooting the band during the day and at soundcheck the FP images smoked the Leica. I shot the whole first show using the FP, using a wide range of shutter speeds snd apertures and every shot was unusable due to heavy banding. I had to shoot the rest of the tour on the CL .
Yes the EVF is a joke. Really adds to the camera bulk and weight and crazy expensive.
Interesting. I have used my fp at gigs with no banding. Can’t explain why. Was really pleased with how the pics turned out
@@rolyoliver maybe the lights were old school and not LED? I got some great pictures from the soundcheck, where the lighting guy had more of a less strong flat look. Once the gig started he was using different power strengths all the time which meant you couldn't keep a set shutter speed to avoid banding. I probably shot 80 images and everyone had very strong banding.
@@MrChrisWhitten it was actually on a very modern lighting rig on an arena show. I took a load of pics and didn’t see any issues. Also large led screen. Can’t really explain it. Beyond the fact that thus far I’ve only had great experiences with this camera. Although I definitely accept it needs to be managed. Not a point and shoot.
@@rolyoliver You were just lucky. I obviously wanted it to work. I was also using a Leica CL which had no banding issues. I tried every different shutter speed (and aperture) using the FP and not one image was free of banding.
@@rolyoliver There seems to be some kind of implication throughout the replies that banding is 'user error'. Just to say I really wanted the FP to work on the show I photographed. Some of the images from the soundcheck were superb. I used the soundcheck (with show lights) to perfect my settings hoping to avoid banding (shutter speed for example). But during the show the lights were apparently much stronger, changing in intensity all the time. I had very little or no banding from the soundcheck and every image from the show exhibited very obvious and strong banding. Some less than others, which says to me, the angle I shot from and the change in intensity of the lights was the main factor in how bad the banding was.
Why i sold my contax...FP... did you still have Milvus lenses ?
Nah those are long gone. You must have missed the Schneider video 😂 You all know i dont wade in the waters too long
@@JustinPhillip i've seen it, but the milvus line seems superior to there schneider...
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I dunno why anyone would choose the FP + EVF over the S5ii at this point.
probably for the 12bit 4K uncompressed RAW
If sigma were willing to develop a lens with inter-lens shutter or an adapter with inter-lens shutter (EF-L) it would be super perfect, but I don't know why the suggestion doesn't work. My solution now is to prepare to retrofit an old film camera with an in-lens shutter, but shutter sync will be a problem!
With a shutter lens, just like a Hasselblad mirrorless camera. I think sigma is fully capable of this.
For me, as a classical filmmaker, Sigma FP is the Micro Alexa.
Hope one day you play with a Nikon Z8.
no AF, no stabilisation, no usable formats except RAW - useless for run and gun
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I think you would like the a7c for photography, but it only has electronic shutter. Also, the a7c mark 2 is rumored for this year.
Interesting video. Drop the background music. Thanks. toronto canada
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Fashions change in photography about what technical artifact "look" is cool and in vogue. Clearly to you the rolling shutter appearance is now a big a no-no, cheapened I suspect by its appearance in all cell phone photography, but there was a time in the early days of SLR's, and the appearance of the Nikons in professional photography, that the bending artifacts of the then new-fangled top to bottom moving metal focal plane shutter were used to great visual effects to accentuate "speed" by "cutting edge" photographers in premier publishing venues like Life magazine and National Geographic...
Justin, don't worry about what other say regarding your personal decision. Myself, and I'm sure others, want to thank you for taking the time to showcase this incredible camera.
FINALLY, someone that gets it!
Say it ain't so, Justin! Actually, thanks for this video, it's very informative.
if not for those highlights this was the one...
why I thought this was the one is because that large dynamic range - one would expect nice highlights...
I want 4k, best dynamic range, something that can be brought with me when hiking for a week. I have strong legs, some extra weight can be considered, why nothing fit the billllll????
The color science is fantastic. But unless you really monitor that exposure, in my experience the highlight detail is not retained nearly as good as on other modern digital cinema cameras. But even an a7Siii can hold the highlights better than the fp. Dont tell the Sigma fanboys tho, they are blinded by their own delusions
I think I'm back to the drawing board with the BMPCC 4k with vintage lenses after all. @@JustinPhillip
Best carry camera is the canon eos m or m50
I just got one for $1140 from Japan. I just want raw camera this small.
What do you want from a camera that have been never meant to be a photo camera)
I want it to handle highlights, any good cinema camera should be able to do that.
@@JustinPhillip but it does if you expose it in a way as any cinema camera)
I thought I could live with an electronic shutter. Unfortunately i couldn’t. That is my only complaint
Thanks for sharing your history with the Sigma Justin. I snagged an Fp L for a killer deal and love it but yes, the banding is a problem. All still images in this were shot with the Fp L using an Aivascope at night and the banding is very obvious - th-cam.com/video/rQDCKl1DgE8/w-d-xo.html
Phew glad I saw this. I was about to buy the fp.
I own a Sigma FP. I did nice Photos. But the Flicker is a real problem. Also the not movable Screen. no IBIS too. My main Camera is Panasonic Lumix S1 now.
I moved to S5 8 months ago
I miss FP small size honestly.
@@seachill very good ! Hope you satisfied.i order the S5 İİ x too. But i must say on a gimbel with a external monitor, for Video, the Sigma have a special look. So i keep mine✌🏼
@@monstablocka2784 I am looking for one to fulfill my daily photography needs. Nothing in This price range will compete with it even for street photography only
@@seachill you have a Sigma, it's very with maby the 45mm 2.8. that's my little camera too. But in low light i have often the Flicker problem. But anyway. İ keep my Sigma FP
@@monstablocka2784 I had it for a year never faced the flickering issue even in the low light
Haven't seen any image from this camera that you have coloured properly.
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@@JustinPhillip Not trying to offend you, just a honest comment.
If you’re wanting a stills camera for “street photography” do yourself a favour and don’t buy a Leica M (film or digital) They’re not worth the money, the glass is great, but not the bodies for the price. If you don’t want to worry about blown highlights shoot film. If you’re wanting a rangefinder buy a Leica/Minolta CL or Voigtlander Bessa and spend the money on good glass. Personally I would just get an X100.
If you’re “worried” about crop sensors and not being FF, that’s a myth. Cinematographer Steve Yedlin has a great website, his article on matching lens blur on different formats is very enlightening. He’s also written others about the hype of FF.
La FP es para usarla con técnicas profesionales, como Arri alexa. No es para usarla en automático. Creo que ese es tu problema, yo he grabado comerciales con esta cámara y no tengo diferencias con la Alexa o Red comodo. Es muy confiable y esta dirigida más al Cine en DNG raw.
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ooo no! the day has come, kinda felt this would happen once you went Sony
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Not to be negative, but the way you fall in love with things just to find out you don't like them (vintage lenses, then cinema lenses, then AF) is very mercurial and for the lack of a better word, feels unpredictable. I love your energy and positivity, in some ways your videos and presence are much more enjoyable than many other youtubers. On the other hand, I've learned to hold some reservations when you get extremely excited about things. Sorry not trying to rain on your parade
i'm only human, and i evolve quicker than most, because unlike other TH-camrs, i use these cameras to make money. thanks for watching