I had two Sigma Cameras. They are the most infuriating, slow and complicated to use cameras on the planet, but when you get a good shot and the camera actually wrote it to the card, the results were breathtaking. I sold them all but still have hope they come out with a modern foveon sensor camera one day.
I had both a DP1 Merrill and DP2 Merrill and I feel your pain. The DP2 in particular was great when I could get a good shot on it but good grief the Sigma proprietary software for editing the RAW files was sooooo sloooooow it was basically unusable
I've owned an fpL and used it exclusively for landscape photography since 2021. I think this is a VERY fair review of the camera - it has good points and it has not so good, but as you mentioned EVERY camera system out there also has points like this (they'll be different and personal to each of us). I'd really like to see Sigma to promote this camera more because it has so much potential. An excellent review Tom.
@@keloduma Hopefully you realized that you can search online without much effort. Posting links in a comment section often result in the comment being deleted due to spam concerns.
Hi Tom… I have an Fpl ,I’ve added a flip screen, battery grip that allowed me shoot for 2 days with one battery, the grip is comfortable and takes the awkwardness out of holding the camera. I use a Peake design wrist strap only and walk around all day with no fatigue. Because of the flip screen I have not needed to add EVF I use my Leica M lenses and my Sigma contemporary lenses on it . I’ve shot thousands of images in all kinds of scenarios…No complaints. Of course all cameras have their idiosyncrasies one just has to get used to them. my leicas don’t get out as much as they used to😁
I had that FP-L but sold it and replaced by a Lumix S5IIX for these reasons : - EVF was a pain in the *** to attach on the body and cam would be bulky with this EVF - Battery drain was too fast - Bad autofocus - Menus were quite complicated and not user-friendly - No IBIS - No flip screen - No tropicalisation BUT... when it worked... wow images were stunning !
Yep, this thing is overpriced. Much better FF options out there. If this thing were even $500 cheaper, it would have sold better. Sigma thinks far too highly of themselves though.
@@ioanandrei8814 that’s an obscure spec not many will use, they will just buy a cinema camera. But the S5IIx and XH2-S do it as well and both are cheaper than the FP
I luv mine. I have the 16-28, 28 to 70, lumix 70-300 - with a TTArtisan 50mm as my walkabout lens. The form factor is my favorite feature - almost M43 kit size. Dynamic range is so over the top don’t even miss flash opportunities. Surprised you didn’t mention its limitations when it comes to Flash photography - it would have given you an opportunity to discuss its in-camera backlighting features. And ISO 6 - mind blowing option within the camera.
In camera back lighting u say? Can u explain this feature a bit more please 🙏🏽. I have the sigma fp but I mostly shoot with my nikon z6ii and as u mentioned the sigma fp does lack in flash photography.
Still want an FP L. I shoot video on two Sigma FP bodies and one Panasonic S1H. When I use an fp as a stills camera I toss a small lens on and can put it in a jacket pocket or cargo pocket easy. Something I super love with my L mount caneras is a EF to L adapter that has a VND built in, and i adapt old lenses like the helios 44 and other soviet glass. The L is just so fun as a tiny power house, and batteries are cheap since it uses the same battery the Lumix G7 and similar cameras.
Brought my regular fp on a trip to Hawaii for stills. The size and weight, when coupled with a reasonable lens, are just insane for such a diminutive camera with a FF sensor. I really hope they continue the line when global shutters are more accessible.
You can get a good LOG profile out of this camera in a very specific way. I think this camera is really best suited for video work given it's rig-ability and video output. You can attach an Atomos recorder via HDMI and record 4K, 12bit, Prores Raw. The Atomos is capable of real time converting the Raw output from the camera to Panasonic V-Log. Final Cut has a "Modify Prores Raw Settings" option and you can do a Raw to Log conversion with the click of a button... giving you the ability to grade in a standard Log workflow. I think if your interested in getting exceptional 24p, 4K video with Raw flexibility at an affordable price... get the OG fp second hand and rig it out with a battery and Atomos recorder. You won't be disappointed.
I own a sigma fp paired with a 24 - 70 sigma art, only downside is the occasional banding with the stills on cheap led lights I use the camera on weddings, documentaries, on gimbals and handheld couldnt be happier with the image quality
I’ve had an fp for three years and, it’s just another camera in my kit. I was never in a “should I get this one or that one” situation. When the fp came out, I replaced a Leica Q with the fp. The fp has Japanese build quality, is diminutive in size, is in the L-Mount alliance, and uses the same battery as the Q. I can shoot a lot of lenses on this camera including Leica S, L and M; Voigtlander M; and Sigma L. I use it predominately for stills, and it excels quite nicely in that capacity. There is a “get to know me factor” with the fp, but isn’t that true of all cameras? That shot of the guy that you took with the rolling shutter never happens. If I want to take fast moving action shots, I reach for another camera. However, it is possible to get some action shots if you know what works and what doesn’t. Overall, it’s a great camera to add to your bag(s), and the photos that it produces are excellent.
understand i didn't quite understand if you can create your own profiles in the camera in terms of color like the ricoh gr 3 or the fuji 100V if that's possible it's the perfect camera
Does this camera NOT have an auto shut off setting when camera is idle? That would have saved your battery. I put 60 second "idle shutoff" on all my cameras just for this reason. On a side note, this camera looks like its meant to be rigged out with external monitor, battery and SSD.
@@TomCalton thanks bud I didn't even see that video thanks! Ha e you thought of doing a video where you compare the likes of the nex 6 and the nikon d3100 that's would be pretty cool video for us budget photography
Yamaki has said that this fp L + i35 is his travel kit. It uses the same battery as the old Leica Q (and GX8 etc) and a similar sensor to the new one. I've always wanted this, but prioritised an all-rounder first, and now it's difficult to find at a reasonable price.
It doesn't come with a charger. You only get a USB-C cable in the box. This was a loan camera, but if I owned it myself then I would do as you suggested and get an external charger for it.
@@TomCalton I would too for sure. When listening to the video I doubted for a second and thought it was a non-removable internal battery. That would have been the worst
Indeed, is like some reviewers would be in 2010 or so when raw was mandatory. Now every camera has enough quality that sooc jpegs are better indicator if the color science of certain brand is akin to what one desires without need of editing. I like Canon and Fujifilm, although perfectly professional I feel uninteresting Nikon and Sony.
Why did I buy one. Best bang for buck for my needs. I think the name perfectly reflects what the camera is. Fortissimo - Big capability, Pianissimo - Small size, humble. But also the flexibility - rig it up with power dummy battery gimbal cinema lense focus pull go as big as you want it can handle all of it (CinemaDNG 12-Bit 4K DCI 2-hour non stop recording) or slap a pancake or small DC DN zoom lense on it and a few spare batteries for travel everyday carry and call it a day. The price for completely fully made and assembled in Japan is amazing value. For the third iteration IBIS will be at the top of the wish list and faster readout or no compromises global shutter (but cmon lets be real), flippy screen not needed prefer the solid feel of the current screen. From my own personal use the biggest drawbacks are IBIS and readout speed (banding in artificial light) both can be worked around but still will be nice to have on future iteration without sacrificing the size and weight.
i picked this up on ebay for $800 listed as an FP with a lens issue. The battery connector bit was factory sent faulty, sigma sent me an entirely new camera. i have two fp-l's now.
I like Sigma cameras and their quirks (I have DPs, Quattros and the SD), but I'd agree, in this case I don't know why you'd buy one of these over the A7RIV.
I heard a similar thought in the video, (11:03), but thats not a cost friendly proposition for many, as Sony (E/FE mount) and Sigma (L-mount) are two different lens mount systems. If I already have L mount lenses I’m suppose to ditch all that for a Sony where I’d have to rebuy all these lenses? Thats expensive. Versus those already on L-mount can get more milage out of their existing lens investment by using them on the Sigma as well.
@@mattdebyl8806 Only what the sales person told me in the shop when I was checking it out, and no, he wasn't trying to sell me some other camera. I guess it depends upon how big a file and what codec one is recording in.
The production wuality on these videos are amazing, for youtube content. Just wondering, are you using anamorphic lenses for your content? Can you plz do a gear review of your setup?
Thanks, you're very kind! It's a very simply setup. The camera i use is a Sony ZV-E1. For the main shots I use a Sigma 24mm f/2 and for the top down stuff I use a Sony Zeiss 55mm f/1.8. That's it! The anamorphic crop is added in post. I hope this helps!
I have a thermoelectrically cooled Altair Astro camera with what I think is the same sensor, the Sony IMX455 also 61mp. The images it produces with up to 10 minute exposures are incredible. It's not for normal photography though. I think putting this sensor into a compact camera of that size is a brilliant idea and I'm going to investigate more. One thing though - I have Nikon lenses. How could they connect?
As a semi-rabid Sigma FP fan. I can't always give good reasons for my obsession, especially in light of other cameras in the same price range. To be honest, I just love the little thing, and I think I get some satisfaction shooting with a camera a lot of other people have dismissed.
I have the Sigma FP and a S5IIX. The FP is more cinema focused over the FP L. I love this camera and the color science, IQ, and the over the top amazing quality using the FP (quirks and all). The FP also has El ZONE and False color for setting exposure. Shooting raw video I set the color mode to off. Shooting DNG RAW you don't need LOG. The S5IIX has everything missing from the FP. There is a S5IIX update (4-22) that makes the IBIS and auto focus even better. Absolutely amazing now.
I really wanted to buy it but I could not accept lack of both features: EVF and tilt LCD. This big attachable EVF only has frightened me. Sigma should rather put on the top hot-shue for attaching external EVF. I would prefer mk2 to have 45mp sensor with native 50iso, small grip, IBIS would be great, of course improved AF as well. That one I would buy for sure.
I'm a film shooter but sometimes think it would be nice to have a FF digital to use with my vintage Nikkor glass. Thought this might be the one but lack of proper viewfinder options is a dealbreaker and I don't really want to pay for the incredible video capabilities which I would never use.
The #1 reason I'm looking at the Sigma FP L is to use it with that Sirui Saturn 35mm 1.6x anamorphic lens, when when center cropped on the FP/FP L turns into 87mm. This allows you to use one lens to film almost everything because the downside of this lens turns into a home run. Sure the Saturn is clinically sharp and doesn't have chromatic aberrations that move your eye to the center like the Blazar Remus, but it's too hard to add VFX with those kinds of lenses so the Saturn is actually better for virtual production.
02:14 man i used to watch your videos when your hair looked like that and the youtube recommended you again so i didn't recognise you !! may the logarithm bless you ..
I have 2 Sigma cameras but don't use them anymore, using a Fujifilm X10 now. I liked the size and colours of the Sigmas, but the low battery life, slowness and fixed lens made me look for a new experience.
I was fully on the FP bandwagon for years with the original (non 61MP version). Haven’t found a camera even today that can do what the FP can at its size and price (4K CDNG RAW VIDEO is crazy). Ultimately sold it for my A7IV. Great video!
@@jessehavok4181 I feel like most cameras in today's day and age meet the spec requirements to be considered 'good', so choosing the right one is more about matching a specific cameras strengths to the type of work you do. My work is 80% video, 20% photo for clients, and I also do content creation. The FP's image quality destroys almost every other camera I've ever compared it to, but it lacks a lot of other features that become important to workflow, ease of use, and efficiency. I use an FX3 as my main video camera, and as much as I loved the FP, I realized it was overkill for what I needed it for. Too much time was being lost trying to color match two cameras with different color sciences so I swapped it out for the A7IV. Now I have two bodies in the same ecosystem, lens mount, color science, etc.
@@TacticalCactusMediaI find that really interesting, because you could get 4 or 5 of the FPs for the price of those two bodies. Then you wouldn't need to worry about matching colors. The fx3 must really be worth the money.
@@jessehavok4181 Using the FP as a cinema camera is where it truly shines. When you can be behind the camera and rig it out a bit, you can really take advantage of the incredible IQ, colors, and CDNG RAW. Once you enter any type of run and gun environment or a scenario where you need to film yourself, it quickly becomes incredibly frustrating to use. If you are a solo freelancer running multiple cameras at once, the lack of timecode, continuous AF, and poor internal preamps for audio presents problems. You can't use the FP for streaming, podcasts, or as a webcam because you cannot charge it over USB-C while the camera is on. The FX3 in my experience is the perfect blend of incredible image quality paired with ease of use features that makes it much more applicable to a wider range of filming scenarios, at least for the work that I do. If what I did involved being behind the camera 100% of the time, I'd still have the FP.
I have the FP almost exclusivly for video. Paired with Leica 24-90 zoom with stabilization. RAW 4K to external SSD, Viewfinder or external 7" monitor. It's a dream setup for the higest quality video. But it't not point and shoot for sure. You have to be deliberate with it, then you get magic :)
Thanks for the review. I do love my fp/fpL. I don’t think the evf causes an imbalance, quite the contrary. The lens is off-center, so the evf actually balances it. Besides, it weighs next to nothing. Using the camera without an evf or monitor is a bit frustrating, mainly for getting good focus. Cheers!
I’d like to know if Sigma lenses would be better exploited or have additional benefits if used on Sigma cameras like the fpL, similar to the way native Sony lenses are better utilized on Sony bodies, (i.e faster/more accurate autofocus, faster burst shooting (no 15fps limit), focus breathing compensation (not offered for 3rd party lenses).
Is the footage in "Take Me To the Mountains" from the fpL? It's not a great selling point: shaky, very visible rolling shutter, and intermittent softness (the ice climbing shot).
No, it's all phone footage. I didn't think I needed to note that in the video as I felt it was obvious given the results, but I will do it in future. Sorry for any confusion.
Even just shooting 12bit RAW in 1080p and later upscaling to 4K in Davinci will give you a much nicer image than most 10bit 4K or 6K prosumer cameras out there. The colour science in this thing is on the level of a Sony Venice that costs $50.000. If you can wrap your head around the quirks and find a workflow that suits you this thing is something really special. The original FP is better than the FP L at video. Rigged with a cage, top handle and external monitor/recorder it's a cine beast.
I got one 2 months ago for forthcoming trip, as 1) the size; 2) the iso 6; and 3) the focus bracket functions would be great for travel and landscape. Additionally, I can use my L and M mount lenses. Have used it a couple of times and have bought a collapsable LCD viewer instead of the EVF which is very good. Main dislike is the dreadful rolling shutter rules out most street/action use, as it only has electronic shutter. So, it is still a toss up as to whether I bring it instead of my SL2-S……..god I love that baby despite the bigger size, lack of iso 6 and focus bracketing and a smaller sensor…...What to do!? Thanks for the review Tom.
I now have the sudden urge to stretch myself thin on a credit card to obtain this magic camera that I have never heard of before now! This looks like such an AMAZING filmmaking rig setup meets (borderline) medium format level photo camera! This thing seems RAD! If only the lens selection was a bit better... OR if you could shoot Sony Emount lenses with it.
I'd love Sigma to release a modern update to the Olympus XA with a fixed 40mm f2.8 lens. Obviously they've shown that they can mount a FF sensor in a small body.
This would complement the S5 II very well as a compact travel camera. If it had a mechanical shutter I would be all over it, but for now my travel setup is the sony a7c with the 20-70 f4. My gripe with the sony is the colours, I have yet to find the right JPG settings
The 12-bit video in this camera isinsane, the colors and flexibility in post is absolutely amazing, my only remark is the lack of 12-bit, 4K 60 frames per second.
You need one of the smaller hand grips esp in the cold with gloves. You forgot to mention it was weather sealed perfect for your trip. I don't have the problem with the dial. But the biggest issue with the evf other than cost is a lack of eye sensor, and maybe not having the fw allow for record through it, but playback always via screen.
Stick to your Fuji. Even if it was perfect you’d have to buy all new lenses if you went to the Sigma because the mounts are different, or get a lens converter and hope the auto focus still works.
The non-L Sigma FP seems to me to have the sensor of A7III. They're the same size, same megapixel count, same pixel pitch size, almost identical iso range.
4:42 _"you can output lower resolution RAW files without the cropping applied."_ Can you comfirm this? I don't believe it's possible to reduce raw resolution without a crop or skipping pixels which would introduce serious moiré pattern. RAW Adobe DNG is the collection of untainted sensor data so this isn't adding up.
It’s really wild if you perform the flip-up screen hack that a guy has 3d printed the parts and instructions for. It appears to be quite doable and for me, makes it the perfect camera. I have not tried it though. Sorry no link but it’s out there.
No IBIS, no buy dis. Nice little camera, though, especially when a large MILC or DSLR is just too much... But I use my m6 Mk II for that, with my r6 II as my primary. Overall a nice, informative review, thanks.
You forgot to mention it is only "Made in Japan" camera right now, no Japanese camera company now build or manufacture in Japan. Only sigma even nikon, canon, Fujifilm, sony and Panasonic are all being assemble overseas and have factory. But sigma only one company both the camera and lenses are made in japan 😁👍📸
@user-oe5jl2br6ubut still the consistency of the finished products are different from japan and other countries, even you compare your own country to made in China products. I know what I mean by that.
The camera may be tiny, but its hefty price tag tells a different story. Within this price range, there are plenty of excellent options available, not to mention the additional lenses you'll need to buy. I'll stick with what I have for now...thanks for sharing
7Artisans sells a very much pancake-y 35mm L-mount lens. This could, in theory, become a perfect EDC powerhouse... maybe not enough to dethrone the GM1, but, given the sensor size, would easily outweight the cons.
If you want to see my old review of this camera, once we get this video to 5,000 likes I'll pin a link to it here in the comments 👀
The film simulations fascinate me
Unnecessary steps
It's time, Tom.
you've hit your 5k mark!!!! :3
so this was a lie
This dot on a sensor kills me😢
Yeah, I noticed the speck as well 0:01, 0:10, 0:57, 1:30! 😂 Clean that $#!+ off @Calton,Tom it’s blocking one of the 61 mega pixels!
@@Cthames123I bet it hides 5 megapixels😂
@@alex_fujiin fairness I should probably get the log out of my own eye, (and my sensor’s) first before criticizing the speck here!😮
@@Cthames123 I don’t even know where my camera is hahaha…
I noticed it too and immediately thought "I wonder how many people that will trigger in the comments?".
Well, here's my answer 🤣🎣
I had two Sigma Cameras. They are the most infuriating, slow and complicated to use cameras on the planet, but when you get a good shot and the camera actually wrote it to the card, the results were breathtaking. I sold them all but still have hope they come out with a modern foveon sensor camera one day.
sigma balls bro
I had both a DP1 Merrill and DP2 Merrill and I feel your pain. The DP2 in particular was great when I could get a good shot on it but good grief the Sigma proprietary software for editing the RAW files was sooooo sloooooow it was basically unusable
Same here, still have the Merrill DP3. Best images of my kids I've ever taken.
I've owned an fpL and used it exclusively for landscape photography since 2021. I think this is a VERY fair review of the camera - it has good points and it has not so good, but as you mentioned EVERY camera system out there also has points like this (they'll be different and personal to each of us). I'd really like to see Sigma to promote this camera more because it has so much potential. An excellent review Tom.
I own an FP-L, but I have converted the fixed rear screen to a flippable screen using a kit from China. Excellent
That's pretty cool! How difficult was it to do?
It is not tough and something most people can do. It did it with both my FP cameras.
Link to the kit🥹
Could you do mine for me if I paid you?
@@keloduma Hopefully you realized that you can search online without much effort. Posting links in a comment section often result in the comment being deleted due to spam concerns.
Every time I see small interchangeable lens camera I think I want, it's always more than double what I'd be willing to spend.
Hi Tom… I have an Fpl ,I’ve added a flip screen, battery grip that allowed me shoot for 2 days with one battery, the grip is comfortable and takes the awkwardness out of holding the camera. I use a Peake design wrist strap only and walk around all day with no fatigue. Because of the flip screen I have not needed to add EVF I use my Leica M lenses and my Sigma contemporary lenses on it . I’ve shot thousands of images in all kinds of scenarios…No complaints. Of course all cameras have their idiosyncrasies one just has to get used to them. my leicas don’t get out as much as they used to😁
Nice! I'd love to give this camera a try with those mods you've mentioned. Glad to hear you're enjoying your fpL 😄
I had that FP-L but sold it and replaced by a Lumix S5IIX for these reasons :
- EVF was a pain in the *** to attach on the body and cam would be bulky with this EVF
- Battery drain was too fast
- Bad autofocus
- Menus were quite complicated and not user-friendly
- No IBIS
- No flip screen
- No tropicalisation
BUT... when it worked... wow images were stunning !
Yep, this thing is overpriced. Much better FF options out there. If this thing were even $500 cheaper, it would have sold better. Sigma thinks far too highly of themselves though.
@@michaelbell75 price is ok, show me cheaper camera with raw opengate video without overheating problems?)) new, not used one)
@@ioanandrei8814 that’s an obscure spec not many will use, they will just buy a cinema camera. But the S5IIx and XH2-S do it as well and both are cheaper than the FP
@@ioanandrei8814 open gate?
IBIS is an import feature needed in all camera now. A few stop advantage is quite important for people with noodle arm like me
First time on this channel. Super thankful for the aspect ratio! Props! And, a stellar review. You've got yourself a new sub!
Only 2,500 bucks.
Most prefer the fp than the fpL. And you can get the fp for less than a Sony a6700. $1k for Full frame Cinema DNG 12bit is insane.
@@ruok-l5t The L adds phase detection AF while the non-L just has contrast AF. You don't want it hunting for focus while recording video.
I'm finding used ones for less than 1000
@@flickwtchr I skipped the video after seeing your price comment. 😅
I luv mine. I have the 16-28, 28 to 70, lumix 70-300 - with a TTArtisan 50mm as my walkabout lens. The form factor is my favorite feature - almost M43 kit size. Dynamic range is so over the top don’t even miss flash opportunities. Surprised you didn’t mention its limitations when it comes to Flash photography - it would have given you an opportunity to discuss its in-camera backlighting features. And ISO 6 - mind blowing option within the camera.
In camera back lighting u say? Can u explain this feature a bit more please 🙏🏽. I have the sigma fp but I mostly shoot with my nikon z6ii and as u mentioned the sigma fp does lack in flash photography.
@@Isaypreach it’s an in-camera feature that raises the shadows.
Do you get vignetting with the TTArtisan lens? I have one for my fp (not L), and I seem to get it, even though they list it as a full-frame lens...
Still want an FP L. I shoot video on two Sigma FP bodies and one Panasonic S1H. When I use an fp as a stills camera I toss a small lens on and can put it in a jacket pocket or cargo pocket easy. Something I super love with my L mount caneras is a EF to L adapter that has a VND built in, and i adapt old lenses like the helios 44 and other soviet glass. The L is just so fun as a tiny power house, and batteries are cheap since it uses the same battery the Lumix G7 and similar cameras.
Would love a FP-L vs a7Cr video
Brought my regular fp on a trip to Hawaii for stills. The size and weight, when coupled with a reasonable lens, are just insane for such a diminutive camera with a FF sensor. I really hope they continue the line when global shutters are more accessible.
Where did you learn the word diminutive? Come on be honest. Smile😊
You can get a good LOG profile out of this camera in a very specific way. I think this camera is really best suited for video work given it's rig-ability and video output. You can attach an Atomos recorder via HDMI and record 4K, 12bit, Prores Raw. The Atomos is capable of real time converting the Raw output from the camera to Panasonic V-Log. Final Cut has a "Modify Prores Raw Settings" option and you can do a Raw to Log conversion with the click of a button... giving you the ability to grade in a standard Log workflow.
I think if your interested in getting exceptional 24p, 4K video with Raw flexibility at an affordable price... get the OG fp second hand and rig it out with a battery and Atomos recorder. You won't be disappointed.
3:23 is crazy
I own a sigma fp paired with a 24 - 70 sigma art, only downside is the occasional banding with the stills on cheap led lights
I use the camera on weddings, documentaries, on gimbals and handheld
couldnt be happier with the image quality
I’ve had an fp for three years and, it’s just another camera in my kit. I was never in a “should I get this one or that one” situation. When the fp came out, I replaced a Leica Q with the fp. The fp has Japanese build quality, is diminutive in size, is in the L-Mount alliance, and uses the same battery as the Q. I can shoot a lot of lenses on this camera including Leica S, L and M; Voigtlander M; and Sigma L. I use it predominately for stills, and it excels quite nicely in that capacity. There is a “get to know me factor” with the fp, but isn’t that true of all cameras? That shot of the guy that you took with the rolling shutter never happens. If I want to take fast moving action shots, I reach for another camera. However, it is possible to get some action shots if you know what works and what doesn’t. Overall, it’s a great camera to add to your bag(s), and the photos that it produces are excellent.
understand i didn't quite understand if you can create your own profiles in the camera in terms of color like the ricoh gr 3 or the fuji 100V if that's possible it's the perfect camera
i mean for taking pictures in the si nne of lut or log profiles that you can create them yourself without having to edit them later in lightroom?
I love mine. The images and video are amazing, and it's half the size of the Canon(s) I've dragged around on backpacking trips for landscape shots.
28-70 DG DN is the obvious companion for this camera. I got one last year for my S5iiX and it's a brilliant travel zoom.
thoughts on this vs the lumix s5 ii?
Does this camera NOT have an auto shut off setting when camera is idle? That would have saved your battery. I put 60 second "idle shutoff" on all my cameras just for this reason. On a side note, this camera looks like its meant to be rigged out with external monitor, battery and SSD.
is that a spec of dust on the sensor @ around 05:28 perhaps, or a glitch in the video image!?
Hi Tom could you do a review of the sony nex 6 would be interested to see your opinion on it
Hey Dan. I reviewed this NEX 6 recently in this video. Hope you find it useful!
th-cam.com/video/Oa5EuGnbDmI/w-d-xo.html
@@TomCalton thanks bud I didn't even see that video thanks! Ha e you thought of doing a video where you compare the likes of the nex 6 and the nikon d3100 that's would be pretty cool video for us budget photography
00:10 is there something on the sensor..?
Yamaki has said that this fp L + i35 is his travel kit. It uses the same battery as the old Leica Q (and GX8 etc) and a similar sensor to the new one. I've always wanted this, but prioritised an all-rounder first, and now it's difficult to find at a reasonable price.
I love/hate the fp. I wish they would make a third with intergraded evf and cf express b slot then it would rival any mirroless camera
Why would you remove the EVF if you can just remove the battery and charge it externally ?
It doesn't come with a charger. You only get a USB-C cable in the box. This was a loan camera, but if I owned it myself then I would do as you suggested and get an external charger for it.
@@TomCalton I would too for sure. When listening to the video I doubted for a second and thought it was a non-removable internal battery. That would have been the worst
@@TomCalton You can use a cheap Panasonic charger.
I dont´t want to see preset edited photos in a review. makes no sense at all.
So what
What if you don’t want to edit?
Go watch other reviews with unedited pictures then. It's not like this is the only existing review of the camera.
Indeed, is like some reviewers would be in 2010 or so when raw was mandatory. Now every camera has enough quality that sooc jpegs are better indicator if the color science of certain brand is akin to what one desires without need of editing. I like Canon and Fujifilm, although perfectly professional I feel uninteresting Nikon and Sony.
seeing photos on a graded 4k video doesn't makes sense either but here we are
Why did I buy one. Best bang for buck for my needs. I think the name perfectly reflects what the camera is. Fortissimo - Big capability, Pianissimo - Small size, humble. But also the flexibility - rig it up with power dummy battery gimbal cinema lense focus pull go as big as you want it can handle all of it (CinemaDNG 12-Bit 4K DCI 2-hour non stop recording) or slap a pancake or small DC DN zoom lense on it and a few spare batteries for travel everyday carry and call it a day. The price for completely fully made and assembled in Japan is amazing value. For the third iteration IBIS will be at the top of the wish list and faster readout or no compromises global shutter (but cmon lets be real), flippy screen not needed prefer the solid feel of the current screen. From my own personal use the biggest drawbacks are IBIS and readout speed (banding in artificial light) both can be worked around but still will be nice to have on future iteration without sacrificing the size and weight.
i picked this up on ebay for $800 listed as an FP with a lens issue. The battery connector bit was factory sent faulty, sigma sent me an entirely new camera. i have two fp-l's now.
@@whippedcreme lucky you 👍
How is the focusing speed, tracking etc,
I like Sigma cameras and their quirks (I have DPs, Quattros and the SD), but I'd agree, in this case I don't know why you'd buy one of these over the A7RIV.
I heard a similar thought in the video, (11:03), but thats not a cost friendly proposition for many, as Sony (E/FE mount) and Sigma (L-mount) are two different lens mount systems. If I already have L mount lenses I’m suppose to ditch all that for a Sony where I’d have to rebuy all these lenses? Thats expensive. Versus those already on L-mount can get more milage out of their existing lens investment by using them on the Sigma as well.
Size and weight?
Mmmm we looked at them but I believe they do overheat with no fan but just passive cooling via that funky heat sink.
Never heard of anyone having overheating issues with them. Certainly I’ve never experienced any shooting extended performances etc.
@@mattdebyl8806 Only what the sales person told me in the shop when I was checking it out, and no, he wasn't trying to sell me some other camera. I guess it depends upon how big a file and what codec one is recording in.
The production wuality on these videos are amazing, for youtube content. Just wondering, are you using anamorphic lenses for your content? Can you plz do a gear review of your setup?
Thanks, you're very kind!
It's a very simply setup. The camera i use is a Sony ZV-E1. For the main shots I use a Sigma 24mm f/2 and for the top down stuff I use a Sony Zeiss 55mm f/1.8. That's it!
The anamorphic crop is added in post. I hope this helps!
What lens are you using? Its a beautiful aspect ratio I don't see often on TH-cam.
I have a thermoelectrically cooled Altair Astro camera with what I think is the same sensor, the Sony IMX455 also 61mp. The images it produces with up to 10 minute exposures are incredible. It's not for normal photography though. I think putting this sensor into a compact camera of that size is a brilliant idea and I'm going to investigate more. One thing though - I have Nikon lenses. How could they connect?
Good excuse to pair it to the Leica Super-Vario-Elmar-SL 16-35mm f3.5-4.5 or the Panasonic F4 version.
The Leica 16-35 on the fp is a strong combination.
You need a zoom, because you can't change physics. Cropping is not changing the focal length. Trust me ;-)
That zoom out of the baby sloth was hilarious
The butthole reference 😮? That was funny!
Great sensor, but only 4K video. Hard to choose this over an A7RV.
There is a video that shows how this camera is made. Definitely recommend watching
That spot on the sensor was killing me lol
As a semi-rabid Sigma FP fan. I can't always give good reasons for my obsession, especially in light of other cameras in the same price range. To be honest, I just love the little thing, and I think I get some satisfaction shooting with a camera a lot of other people have dismissed.
I have the Sigma FP and a S5IIX. The FP is more cinema focused over the FP L. I love this camera and the color science, IQ, and the over the top amazing quality using the FP (quirks and all). The FP also has El ZONE and False color for setting exposure. Shooting raw video I set the color mode to off. Shooting DNG RAW you don't need LOG.
The S5IIX has everything missing from the FP. There is a S5IIX update (4-22) that makes the IBIS and auto focus even better. Absolutely amazing now.
..though a different animal in terms of weight and size.. but obviously a great proposition to complete a camera system around a lens mount.
Sigma Shutter Leaf Lenses + Sigma FP/L = Everything will make sense ❤
It's gonna be really interesting to see where this ends up in price in a few years once the Sony competition goes down after one or two new models
I really wanted to buy it but I could not accept lack of both features: EVF and tilt LCD. This big attachable EVF only has frightened me. Sigma should rather put on the top hot-shue for attaching external EVF. I would prefer mk2 to have 45mp sensor with native 50iso, small grip, IBIS would be great, of course improved AF as well.
That one I would buy for sure.
I'm a film shooter but sometimes think it would be nice to have a FF digital to use with my vintage Nikkor glass. Thought this might be the one but lack of proper viewfinder options is a dealbreaker and I don't really want to pay for the incredible video capabilities which I would never use.
The #1 reason I'm looking at the Sigma FP L is to use it with that Sirui Saturn 35mm 1.6x anamorphic lens, when when center cropped on the FP/FP L turns into 87mm. This allows you to use one lens to film almost everything because the downside of this lens turns into a home run. Sure the Saturn is clinically sharp and doesn't have chromatic aberrations that move your eye to the center like the Blazar Remus, but it's too hard to add VFX with those kinds of lenses so the Saturn is actually better for virtual production.
Something tiny like that with a cine lense would be awesome on a gimbal for shooting videos.
Would really like to see this camera with the brightin star 28mm pancake lens!
Does it use Sony E-mount?
Sorry if you said it already as I can’t hear well😅
02:14 man i used to watch your videos when your hair looked like that and the youtube recommended you again so i didn't recognise you !! may the logarithm bless you ..
Hey, welcome back!
Yeah, lockdown didn't treat me too kindly, did it? 🤣 I'm glad you found your way back to the channel though 😄
I remember being on set for a campaign shoot the photographer had this camera with the directors viewfinder. The shooting experience looked so cool.
I have 2 Sigma cameras but don't use them anymore, using a Fujifilm X10 now. I liked the size and colours of the Sigmas, but the low battery life, slowness and fixed lens made me look for a new experience.
I was fully on the FP bandwagon for years with the original (non 61MP version). Haven’t found a camera even today that can do what the FP can at its size and price (4K CDNG RAW VIDEO is crazy). Ultimately sold it for my A7IV. Great video!
What made you sell it? Is the a7IV that much better of a camera?
@@jessehavok4181 I feel like most cameras in today's day and age meet the spec requirements to be considered 'good', so choosing the right one is more about matching a specific cameras strengths to the type of work you do. My work is 80% video, 20% photo for clients, and I also do content creation. The FP's image quality destroys almost every other camera I've ever compared it to, but it lacks a lot of other features that become important to workflow, ease of use, and efficiency. I use an FX3 as my main video camera, and as much as I loved the FP, I realized it was overkill for what I needed it for. Too much time was being lost trying to color match two cameras with different color sciences so I swapped it out for the A7IV. Now I have two bodies in the same ecosystem, lens mount, color science, etc.
@@TacticalCactusMediaI find that really interesting, because you could get 4 or 5 of the FPs for the price of those two bodies. Then you wouldn't need to worry about matching colors. The fx3 must really be worth the money.
@@jessehavok4181 Using the FP as a cinema camera is where it truly shines. When you can be behind the camera and rig it out a bit, you can really take advantage of the incredible IQ, colors, and CDNG RAW. Once you enter any type of run and gun environment or a scenario where you need to film yourself, it quickly becomes incredibly frustrating to use. If you are a solo freelancer running multiple cameras at once, the lack of timecode, continuous AF, and poor internal preamps for audio presents problems. You can't use the FP for streaming, podcasts, or as a webcam because you cannot charge it over USB-C while the camera is on. The FX3 in my experience is the perfect blend of incredible image quality paired with ease of use features that makes it much more applicable to a wider range of filming scenarios, at least for the work that I do. If what I did involved being behind the camera 100% of the time, I'd still have the FP.
I have the FP almost exclusivly for video. Paired with Leica 24-90 zoom with stabilization. RAW 4K to external SSD, Viewfinder or external 7" monitor.
It's a dream setup for the higest quality video. But it't not point and shoot for sure. You have to be deliberate with it, then you get magic :)
Watching this video I thought what a neat little camera I'll pick one up,
If I had known the price I wouldn't have even watched the video
Thanks for the review. I do love my fp/fpL. I don’t think the evf causes an imbalance, quite the contrary. The lens is off-center, so the evf actually balances it. Besides, it weighs next to nothing. Using the camera without an evf or monitor is a bit frustrating, mainly for getting good focus. Cheers!
I’d like to know if Sigma lenses would be better exploited or have additional benefits if used on Sigma cameras like the fpL, similar to the way native Sony lenses are better utilized on Sony bodies, (i.e faster/more accurate autofocus, faster burst shooting (no 15fps limit), focus breathing compensation (not offered for 3rd party lenses).
I freaking love this thing, been wanting one for ages. Super cool. Lack of IBIS is the only reason I never dived in.
Buy lenses with OS built in - don't need IBIS then ;)
The sloth eye was brilliant
Glad you appreciated that moment 😜
Shutterless camera's are antiquated. I sold it !
Is the footage in "Take Me To the Mountains" from the fpL? It's not a great selling point: shaky, very visible rolling shutter, and intermittent softness (the ice climbing shot).
No, it's all phone footage. I didn't think I needed to note that in the video as I felt it was obvious given the results, but I will do it in future. Sorry for any confusion.
Even just shooting 12bit RAW in 1080p and later upscaling to 4K in Davinci will give you a much nicer image than most 10bit 4K or 6K prosumer cameras out there. The colour science in this thing is on the level of a Sony Venice that costs $50.000. If you can wrap your head around the quirks and find a workflow that suits you this thing is something really special. The original FP is better than the FP L at video. Rigged with a cage, top handle and external monitor/recorder it's a cine beast.
I wish there was a way to shoot log on this camera. dng is awesome but it’s way too big of a file size to be shooting on all the time for me at least
I meant cinema dng for video
I got one 2 months ago for forthcoming trip, as 1) the size; 2) the iso 6; and 3) the focus bracket functions would be great for travel and landscape. Additionally, I can use my L and M mount lenses. Have used it a couple of times and have bought a collapsable LCD viewer instead of the EVF which is very good. Main dislike is the dreadful rolling shutter rules out most street/action use, as it only has electronic shutter. So, it is still a toss up as to whether I bring it instead of my SL2-S……..god I love that baby despite the bigger size, lack of iso 6 and focus bracketing and a smaller sensor…...What to do!? Thanks for the review Tom.
You came to Calgary??? rough time for weather!
I now have the sudden urge to stretch myself thin on a credit card to obtain this magic camera that I have never heard of before now! This looks like such an AMAZING filmmaking rig setup meets (borderline) medium format level photo camera! This thing seems RAD! If only the lens selection was a bit better... OR if you could shoot Sony Emount lenses with it.
I'd love Sigma to release a modern update to the Olympus XA with a fixed 40mm f2.8 lens.
Obviously they've shown that they can mount a FF sensor in a small body.
Fab review. Biscuit crumbs on the sensor though 😂
It's actually spunk... I mean, yeah, biscuit crumbs. Right...
😂
This would complement the S5 II very well as a compact travel camera. If it had a mechanical shutter I would be all over it, but for now my travel setup is the sony a7c with the 20-70 f4. My gripe with the sony is the colours, I have yet to find the right JPG settings
what lenses you use sir
I only used the Sigma 35mm f/2 DG DN within this review.
The 12-bit video in this camera isinsane, the colors and flexibility in post is absolutely amazing, my only remark is the lack of 12-bit, 4K 60 frames per second.
Interesting. Bit I'll stick with my Panasonic GM1 (mft) for now. Thanks. toronto canada.
You need one of the smaller hand grips esp in the cold with gloves. You forgot to mention it was weather sealed perfect for your trip.
I don't have the problem with the dial. But the biggest issue with the evf other than cost is a lack of eye sensor, and maybe not having the fw allow for record through it, but playback always via screen.
Looked it up to see if I could afford one…I’ll stick to my Fuji X-T3😅
Stick to your Fuji. Even if it was perfect you’d have to buy all new lenses if you went to the Sigma because the mounts are different, or get a lens converter and hope the auto focus still works.
The non-L Sigma FP seems to me to have the sensor of A7III. They're the same size, same megapixel count, same pixel pitch size, almost identical iso range.
HAHAH the Sloths Eye... 🤣
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@@TomCalton HOW ON EARTH YOU FOUND THAT CLIP OMG it's just so out of nowhere but suits the context perfectly
Does anyone know if you can sync two of them?
4:42 _"you can output lower resolution RAW files without the cropping applied."_
Can you comfirm this? I don't believe it's possible to reduce raw resolution without a crop or skipping pixels which would introduce serious moiré pattern.
RAW Adobe DNG is the collection of untainted sensor data so this isn't adding up.
How in the world do you hold the thing?
12 bit raw for video is crazy good !
Agreed. It looks amazing!
It’s really wild if you perform the flip-up screen hack that a guy has 3d printed the parts and instructions for. It appears to be quite doable and for me, makes it the perfect camera. I have not tried it though. Sorry no link but it’s out there.
No IBIS, no buy dis. Nice little camera, though, especially when a large MILC or DSLR is just too much... But I use my m6 Mk II for that, with my r6 II as my primary. Overall a nice, informative review, thanks.
Of course we want to see the old review!
What is the lens mount?
Lica. Works great with Panasonic lenses.
Why presets in a review?
"high quality lenses we know and love". lol. Maybe the camera should include that signature Sigma front focus we all know and love.
I was thinking about this camera BUT. it takes L mount and I really wanted to get E mount so that's why I went for sony instead
You forgot to mention it is only "Made in Japan" camera right now, no Japanese camera company now build or manufacture in Japan. Only sigma even nikon, canon, Fujifilm, sony and Panasonic are all being assemble overseas and have factory. But sigma only one company both the camera and lenses are made in japan 😁👍📸
@user-oe5jl2br6ubut still the consistency of the finished products are different from japan and other countries, even you compare your own country to made in China products. I know what I mean by that.
The camera may be tiny, but its hefty price tag tells a different story. Within this price range, there are plenty of excellent options available, not to mention the additional lenses you'll need to buy. I'll stick with what I have for now...thanks for sharing
12 bit 4K RAW...my god, just like my 5D MK III with Magic Lantern. :)
I think I only would use it for video... for photo, don't see the extra value over the 'standard' Canon / Nikon / Sony camera's...
The camera quality looks great 👍🏼
3:25 My mind is so dirty. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I cant stop thinking about that spot on the censor
7Artisans sells a very much pancake-y 35mm L-mount lens.
This could, in theory, become a perfect EDC powerhouse... maybe not enough to dethrone the GM1, but, given the sensor size, would easily outweight the cons.