I hate the episodes where good people and their reputations are ruined, even though the real bad guy goes to prison. It's not worth the win at those times.
It's even worse for this one because the real culprits don't even go to jail. Just one year probation for each of the girls who ruthlessly and knowingly ruined this man's life, not to mention the emotional trauma they put their little brothers through. Just disgusting.
@@katiepalmer6704 if it makes you feel Better, its gonna be more then that... Like, that Brooke Girl, she thinks she's a "BIG SHOT. a STAR. and is Gonna be OH SO Famous" Well what she did, she and her Friend, Though they did get 1 year's probation, What they did, has been documented pretty much or whatever its called and their Marked you can say... As In, what they did, especially Brooke, That also ruined them too. Like, ANY shot, ANY chance they were Hoping for, to be Good famous singer's, That's not gonna Happen... their pretty Much NEVER Gonna be famous as no1 is gonna let them sing pretty much anywhere... pretty much ANY and EVERY Other coach out there will turn Them Down... So brooke, she also got hurt as she always believes she's gonna be the Next Whitney Houston or something, Well that's NEVER Gonna happen. so Brooke and her pal, got Hurt more then they realize.
@seanmager1168 They're white, they'll choose to do anything else with their lives and move on. The teacher o the other hand will struggle to find a job for the rest of his life.
I work in the psychology department. That thing about children always telling the truth is one big fat lie. You would not believe the number of kids out there with minds that gave me goosebumps.
I have a part time job at a preschool and kids they don’t lie they are told how to lie kids me and my colleague tried it he told one of the kids that he didn’t stop them from coloring and then when the senior teacher asked, he didn’t crack until he told him kids don’t lie unless they know what they are lying about
@Simpfication Kids do lie, it's different from being told to lie. Many underestimate kids for being kids. You worked in a preschool, I've spent years studying how their minds work and still do.
@@saralazzaro7139 It's a good question. The one that still haunts me was something similar to this, created a whole scenario of being sexually abused by the family, ghosts and animals. I won't go through more details, but it turned out that kid have been watching some horror films, the mind imbibed pieces of scenes and patched it all up in one scary big lie. It almost put his family to jail if we have not pushed to further check the kid. For some reason, we were asked to stop at one point. If you have seen the kid's eyes and smirk, it will send chills on your spine even the way of talking was level high creepy.
@@thundrcat5596The whole video showed that he didn’t. He only lied about the bathroom because he knew the kid was embarrassed about falling in the toilet, and he rightfully figured that the police wouldn’t accept the truth. They were absolutely certain he did something even after the descriptions of the bathroom didn’t line up. The only thing he did was tell two girls they didn’t have what it took to go on the show and saved them the disappointment. They decided to have him falsely accused of pedophilia in response to this.
@@leeammorris1268The fact that the DA (aka McCoy) signed off on it seems like character assassination. And I’ve NEVER seen the police not break apart two people who wouldn’t testify against each other til now. These 2 girls are stronger than hardened criminals? This episode needs a follow up where the teacher ends up committing suicide and McCoy figures out how to charge the two girls with murder!
It's kind of weird how outstanding young male actors usually are in SVU episodes. One of the most realistic depictions of a troubled kid I've ever seen is the one where the parents of a boy kept their child's abuser safe for hush money and it always felt awful that the aggressor didn't get what he deserved and the young boy didn't get the help he needed. The episodes from the first seasons really were something else.
@@lesleybento930 wow time flies like crazy! I’m sure he didn’t understand what the episode was really about, but he’s still amazing. Did he continue to act? It must be nice to have Law & Order on his resume!
This is really important and I wish more schools and programs would do it. I'm frustrated that I was the music teacher in a preschool program that did not. I'm glad to be retired!
By the way, this program was as recent as July 2023 and due to the training, it seems they may have had similar issues. I witnessed a lot of crazy stuff and I'm glad I was a teacher while my son was in the program. Part of why I will never put a kid in a daycare until they are old enough to talk. 😢
This is one of the most accurate portrayals of the vindictiveness that some people have that I have ever seen. It's sad that this kind of thing happens in real life.
First sign something is off is when the 6 yr old says "he edged me." As a detective with keen 6th sense for detail, that would be the first red flag that the boy is repeating a story he doesn't understand. 2nd red flag. The bathroom is nice bc it has blue birds & flowers. The bathroom would not be associated with anything "nice" after that happens to him in that bathroom. In fact, he'd rather never go to that bathroom again. He'd prefer to hold until recess. Two red flags that would send me down a rabbit hole all week.
Rafael Barba. He was right - the boys WERE damaged - but it was poorly worded, considering who he speaking to, and the circumstances he was speaking to him in.
@Kristin_James I can understand why he would be mad. But indicting the girls- no matter ho deserving they were- will not help heal his reputation- which is tarnished no matter what happens- but will further damage the kids... There's a time to be the adult and not drag innocent kids in anymore then they already have- without bettering your situation. Damage management!
@@v4v819 The kids were coached into lying about someone who genuinely cared about them by people they were supposed to trust. The thing you're so worried about averting? It's already happened. Getting cold feet will only cause more damage.
Question to lawyers: can’t he sue the girls’ parents? The DA might not want to put the 4 years olds on the stand but a monetary lawsuit could, right? And if parents don’t want the 4 years old on the stand, they can just agree to the terms of the lawsuit, right? Maybe losing most of their money would at least teach those girls a lesson. And if the school won’t give him his job back, he can sue for that too, right? With some firm that does pro bono work?
Absolutely he can sue them for defamation. In order to have a defamation case, you basically have to have three conditions met: 1) someone made statements about you knowing that they were false, 2) the statements were made publicly, either in writing or vocally, and 3) the statements caused great financial burden to you. He lost his job because of those false allegations, he should sue those girls and their parents for all they're worth. Especially since he'll probably never be able to teach because of the stain to his reputation, at least he can try to recoup some money to be able to live off of savings for a while until he can figure out a new path in terms of a career.
Amazing that homophobia blinds people to who the vast majority of molesters are to the detriment of the child. As for those malignant, spoiled girls they need to be in debt for the rest of their lives.
@@cmauthorEven still I don’t think Jackie would be looking for just money. He really liked helping kids, he wouldn’t be able to do that anymore because of his stained reputation.
Amanda was the only one who believed that the music teacher was innocent. They would have listened to her and investigated more before just focusing on him immediately as a suspect.
This episode pissed me and my mom off. That the detectives were so easy to jump the gun. My mom also despised Benson in this episode by pushing and pushing. I agreed. The only part of this episode that could be called 'good' is Rollins didn’t believe the girls, but Jackie. Those girls should've been held accountable.
@@laurafabianmarrero Yes the girls. The teenage girls are the ones who felt hurt and made up the story not the parents. The parents was just believing their kids without thinking too much of it.
Nah, hell nah. You have to apologize to me, with the same energy you accused me with. Have a news conference and tell the people, you made a huge mistake and give him an apology. Tell them you accused him, without doing a thorough investigation.
That's why believe the victim is so problematic because of people who lie. It leaves no room to be unbiased. Anybody can say anything at all. I've seen it numerous times. There was just a young black NBA player who was fasley accused this year I think it was. The girl lied and had her friend lie on the stand. The entire case was based off nothing. I don't why they even indicted him. The girl had like 6 other DNA in her and none of them were his. Smh.
@jakeilano6821 this was one of Olivia's biggest failures, especially since a similar crime happened when Stabler was still her partner. It took the ex-husband setting his ex-wife ON FIRE for Olivia to realise that she was lying.
Those girls are the perfect example of the dangers of the "self-esteem" movement. Telling people they are amazing at something their whole lives, when they really aren't, while giving them whatever they want just makes them vindictive and lash out when they are confronted with the truth or told no.
That’s why honest communication with children as early as when they can first ask a question is always better in the end. Don’t dumb it down, don’t hide the truth from them, be honest! Instead of telling your child that they’re good at something they’re not, encourage them by saying that they’re enthusiasm is what they’re getting right, but maybe they should try something else.
@@j.pnewcomer1069 Please don't be a parent, both of you! That is just as wrong as lying to them... Steering them toward what is best for them is the right approach and the primal job as a parent! You don't want to damage their sense of self-worth either, that can be just as damning... A balance is needed and gentle, subtle adjustments... You can get the same outcome without the damage by the kinder approach, every time! E.G. if your 11 1/2 year-old, music loving, son is bad- i mean BAD!- at singing, then buy him a guitar, and get him guitar lessons- worked for me! Thanks Mom!
The only silver lining is the hope that Jackie sued the NYPD and got a big cash settlement. Olivia is too quick a lot of the time to believe an accusation as soon as it's made. If she says "it's my job to believe the victims," someone should say "only after you've proven they're victims."
You would think that after sending an innocent man to jail for 8 years because benson was more concerned for the victims, benson would be act more slowly and wait until innocent till proven guilty but no, she didn’t learn her lesson and a man’s life was ruin
Having seen the show, it’s remarkable how often the team not only arrests the wrong person, but also occasionally engages in police brutality towards them. They really should have been sued ten times over.
People need to understand that this show is not supposed to portray the SVU as perfect people, all of there episodes are based on true stories and how they went
Out of ALL of the episodes in SVU history, this one probably pissed me off the most. A gay, black man's entire career and reputation were destroyed and his name, thrown into the sh*t forever. All of that was awful, but you wanna know what really, really gets to me?? *How easily it could've been avoided.* I mean, if Liv and the gang had just slowed down and taken the time to really listen to what Jackie had to say, they would've seen that those two boys were being coached into lying by their sisters. But of course, as always, Liv chose the victims and didn't even listen to the accused's side. Now, an innocent man's life is ruined, the little b*tches responsible got off with a slap on the wrist, and the NYPD got even more bad credit than it already had at the time.😠😠 It's also how Amanda clearly knew that something was off about the case right from the beginning and didn't say anything.😤😤
@@laurafabianmarrero No offense, But she REALLY is sorry. I Mean, Lets remember Olivia is ONLY HUMAN. Like the famous phrase goes, "were only human." She Made a Mistake. She should Have Listened to Jackie more, But she did not. she realizes that and she's sorry. There's nothing she can do about it. You can tell by Some of her Phrases near the End, she feels Bad. But hey, No1 is perfect.
A twisted version of 'Mommy knows best', given how Brooke picked up some hefty pointers from her mother, when she was playing hardball with the divorce.
These girls were nothing but self-centered, narcissistic, spoiled brats. Once Their brothers get older and realize what they have got them involved in, they're going to hate them for the rest of their lives.
The damage the girls inflicted on their brothers is going to be their punishment. It's not something that will go away, the brothers and parents will always doubt whatever those girls say going forward and as the boys grow up and better understand what happened they'll likely resent them for making them the face for child molestation that didn't happen. Also even their light sentence will affect their lives in a major way, they're NEVER getting into another dance program as a minor and are likely not going to cut it in the adult field either. Loved the actor for the accused guy, he nailed the part. You could feel the dawning horror of injustice that he realizes he can't fight against. He can sue them for slander though, his entitled damages for character assassination destroying his high profile career and them having pleaded out will give him a strong case.
The teenagers in law and order are always the most twisted and heartless kind of criminals. Thinking they can get away with everything all because they're "kids." Making themselves look like the victim and their parents defends them even after they are charged for the crime that they have clearly committed.
I hate that jackies life was ruined and those 2 girls didnt get a fitting punishment. On the bright side those 2 managed to become "famous" but not the way the wanted to and will most likely never become famous as they were hoping for. Not after all that web of lies. I mean not a single coach would take them as students. Everyone of them would run away from them once they see them. The price of "fame", right????
I disagree; I think those two have an aspiring political career in their future. They fit the criteria: Dishonest, lack of morals and a vindictive drive when they’re denied what they want, or the opportunity to get ahead
I had this happen to a friend of mine. Sadly a week after the charges were dropped he killed himself. This episode reminds me of him and pisses me off!!!!
Tes I personally know what you have been though. Look up the suicide rates of people that have been accused of something like this and are innocent. Versus those that are guilty.
Billie Porter is the most incredible actor and entertainer out in the world today. I need more of him. I hated this episode because I know how careful gay men have to be. I was educated in fine arts, and half of my friends were gay. I could trust every one of them with my young son.
I hate it when people hurt children the very thing that sets me off is a child molester or a abusive brat, it is unacceptable and quite vile that anyone would dare to hurt others especially children.
3:44 is so true. I was exposed to so much music as a child. Music is in my blood. My mother played clarinet in middle school and high school, and now she plays piano, my oldest sister is getting a degree in clarinet at the University of Tennessee, and my middle sister played tuba for at least five years. I’m on my second year of French horn and it’s the best thing that’s ever happened to me. Music is my escape, and yes, it’s so, so difficult, but it’s like a puzzle. When you finally figure it out, you look back and see how much you’ve grown. I love music. I encourage everyone to pick up an instrument because I believe that everyone has a musical spark in them. We just need to give that spark some wood and it’ll grow into a giant, beautiful bonfire.
So all because not wanting to have a big chance of fame, leading to vengeance for a simple paid back and refusing to accept the feedback. A bit delusional? In most parts, I can understand but getting framed on all this? Unbelievable.
The only thing more disgusting than predators is people who falsely accuse others of being predators, as a survivor myself. This is why so many people never come forward about SA :/
Young teenagers who make up something that gets the victim put through everything and be like oops yeah it isn't true should be jailed themselves. Even with the recent reveal in real life that the teenager girl lied to her father that her teacher showed anti racist strip/story in class which got spread through the community as a gossip. Then someone else wasn't happy with the gossip and beheaded the teacher. The girl lied to her father because the teacher booted her out of class or something and was embarrassed to reveal to her father. After the trial she simply said that she was sorry.
2:07. Those horrible teenage girls might be to blame for Mr. Jackie having his life ruined, but the real culprit of how his fall from grace began is that lawyer or whatever she is. Surely she could’ve waited just a few hours until after his classes were over and he wouldn’t have looked so bad by comparison.
I have a friend that was like 19 when a friend of his (f16) was kicked out of her house by her step father, my friend let her stay at his house. Next thing you know, he was in jail for SA. It took 2 years for him to be released. The girl ended up admitting that he didn't SA her, but he step father did. My friend had to move out to another state because of the harrasment, no one believed he wasn't guilty even thought it was proved (the SA kit didn't had his dna in any way). I know I'm a female and, as a female, I should believe all victims but, what happened to my friend proved me that not all victims are victims. Btw, my friend's dad has money, he's in the military. The step father was trying to get money out of them, he's in jail right now. Also, it is not FU money, it is just "I can have a comfortable life" type of money, not even rich. But yeah. There's people that won't hesitate in ruining your life.
This is a scary scenario,but it makes you think. I would gladly impose life in prison for all pedophiles if they're guilty but to think how easy it is to ruin a persons life over something trivial.Wow! This episode made me think that this could actually happen to anyone. Even if you're found not guilty, your life is pretty much ruined
The worst part is that this actually happens. I have an experience like this. I'm so sorry for anyone else that has to be subjected to something like this, whether it's false accusations and/or being sexually abused. Just know: you are not alone and people around you will help you.
It’s like this channel is incapable of posting content not already posted. The new season of Law and Order is REALLY good though. Last week’s cameos were awesome.
Right?! There are so many more compelling cases but they rehash the modern scenes that everyone knows! Gimme some munch conspiracies or banter with Lennie and Ed.
@@RLucas3000did You Even watch the episodes 😂😂 He was innocent The girls lie A man life and reputation was ruin base on a lie and because they didnt do You their job
TW!! topics of sexual assault and grooming involved in this comment, do not read this if you have trauma or have experienced something similar to the topic of this video I had a music teacher named Mr. Miller. This was in fourth grade and I had a severe candy addiction. This will sound weird, but he had this mat that he cleaned often and would put candy on it for us to eat. We weren't allowed to use our hands. I now realize that he was only trying to see our behinds because a few months later, about several children came out saying that he took them into his closet, and made them 'stroke his chicken' while singing so it wouldn't look suspicious. I'm now in tenth grade and still am shocked that my favorite, motorcycle riding, always happy, and just awesome teacher ended up being a predator. I pray and hope that this does not happen to anyone else.
I’m so sorry for that. I’m sure the guy took pictures of you guys too. Maybe you could get him arrested, odds are he has CP on his phone or any other device he has.
@@SkippysMisadventures He went to jail for possession of CP, public indecency, misdemeanor, assault, and grooming. If you'd like to search up his case, just search up "Westmost Hilltop Mr. Miller" Thank you so much for your support.
I remember this episode. The sisters coached their brothers and lied till the lie couldn’t be held up anymore. All cuz one girl was jealous that her “friend” got more attention (because she actually had potential and the other girl didn’t). Plus the damage to his reputation and “confronting” him with it in public! NYPD seriously dropped the ball with this one. And then the parents made it no better
One thing I will say about this show is that it realistic to the point is scary Heck even the main characters makes mistakes and even get the wrong guy and even loses
You know, when allegations were made against Woody Allen the conclusion of the investigation was that Dylan Farrow's answers appeared rehearsed and that she struggled to tell the difference between fantasy and reality, yet videos like this show just how easy it is for these things to happen.
He should have sued both nypd and the girls parents..that way the lawsuit and its information would have been in the news clearing his name up and at the same time he gets his name cleared up...hopefully jackie comes for full swing revenge on the parents n nypd
If anyone else is wondering why the blonde daughter looks familiar, it’s Hana Hayes. She was the VA for Sarah in the game Last of Us 1. I watched a LoU let’s play she was in.
So in other words… those girls Ruined that Teachers Career.. just because those girls wasn’t good enough to make it at all in singing?! That’s some bull! 😮😮😢😢
Wow . 🙄 get a dictionary and look up “description”. You might just learn something. Hell just look up for the episode title and season number; that’s what the wiki is for.
Those girls never got punished. Jackie would've been 100% justified if he went down the same route as that ex-husband who was falsely accused by his wife in the episode Burned.
Couldn't they have checked for fingerprints on the "magic egg"? Sure, there might've been a lot of traces of fingerprints. But there could've been ones that couldn't have been accounted for, like the two girls who had no business being in that classroom. And if the teacher says it isn't his, then his fingerprints shouldn't be on it; on the chance he was lying, then his fingerprints would be on there.
There’s a moral to this story,DO NOT MAKE FALSE ACCUSATIONS OF CHILD MOLESTATION, if you do, then you should go to prison for as long as a real serial Pedophile should. Most importantly, 1 of the 7 things God Hates, A Lying Tongue. To all who are sinners, repent and believe the gospel of Jesus, for though we are born as sinners, we can die saints bought by the blood of Jesus Christ so that we could go to heaven.
Perfect example of Woke Gen Z. These entitled girls were angry that they were told they have no talent that they forced their brothers to lie about a kind man hurting them. I was ready to believe in his guilt, but i had doubt. Especially with the way Mega Karen came out of the woodwork lying. She helped to encourage the lies. The girls hurt their brothers physically and emotionally and hurt the teacher too. Mega Karen probably orchastrated it like she did with her ex husband. I feel bad for the boys, ex husband and the teacher. This is too sad and too common. It needs to end. And the girls should get more than a year's probation. It's like they are mocking children and the man who's career was almost destroyed.
The apology is never as loud as the accusations. The person accused is left with a stained reputation & suffered irreversible consequences.
And the stupid teenage girls will get away with it, because according to the idiots who coddle stupid teenage girls, punishing them would be wrong!
agreed!
just like Disney and Johnny depp
Yeah Well The Accusations Are Never As Loud As The Gunshots
That’s why I don’t watch that episode that much.
I hate the episodes where good people and their reputations are ruined, even though the real bad guy goes to prison. It's not worth the win at those times.
It's even worse for this one because the real culprits don't even go to jail. Just one year probation for each of the girls who ruthlessly and knowingly ruined this man's life, not to mention the emotional trauma they put their little brothers through. Just disgusting.
@@katiepalmer6704 if it makes you feel Better, its gonna be more then that... Like, that Brooke Girl, she thinks she's a "BIG SHOT. a STAR. and is Gonna be OH SO Famous" Well what she did, she and her Friend, Though they did get 1 year's probation, What they did, has been documented pretty much or whatever its called and their Marked you can say... As In, what they did, especially Brooke, That also ruined them too. Like, ANY shot, ANY chance they were Hoping for, to be Good famous singer's, That's not gonna Happen... their pretty Much NEVER Gonna be famous as no1 is gonna let them sing pretty much anywhere... pretty much ANY and EVERY Other coach out there will turn Them Down... So brooke, she also got hurt as she always believes she's gonna be the Next Whitney Houston or something, Well that's NEVER Gonna happen. so Brooke and her pal, got Hurt more then they realize.
@seanmager1168 They're white, they'll choose to do anything else with their lives and move on. The teacher o the other hand will struggle to find a job for the rest of his life.
@@seanmager1168its not that deep. its a fictional story.
@@drymicrofibretowel This happens.
I work in the psychology department. That thing about children always telling the truth is one big fat lie. You would not believe the number of kids out there with minds that gave me goosebumps.
I have a part time job at a preschool and kids they don’t lie they are told how to lie kids me and my colleague tried it he told one of the kids that he didn’t stop them from coloring and then when the senior teacher asked, he didn’t crack until he told him kids don’t lie unless they know what they are lying about
i'm sorry to ask but i'm curious: what was the most creepey thing you had to listen to?
@Simpfication Kids do lie, it's different from being told to lie. Many underestimate kids for being kids. You worked in a preschool, I've spent years studying how their minds work and still do.
@@saralazzaro7139 It's a good question. The one that still haunts me was something similar to this, created a whole scenario of being sexually abused by the family, ghosts and animals. I won't go through more details, but it turned out that kid have been watching some horror films, the mind imbibed pieces of scenes and patched it all up in one scary big lie. It almost put his family to jail if we have not pushed to further check the kid. For some reason, we were asked to stop at one point. If you have seen the kid's eyes and smirk, it will send chills on your spine even the way of talking was level high creepy.
@IslanderloverBKK Definitely horrifing... i might say a blasfemy but the first thing that comes to my mind is a little bit sociopatic (?)
I hate this episode mostly because those two girls ruined an innocent man’s life.
He wasn’t innocent dude clearly did something.
@@thundrcat5596The whole video showed that he didn’t. He only lied about the bathroom because he knew the kid was embarrassed about falling in the toilet, and he rightfully figured that the police wouldn’t accept the truth. They were absolutely certain he did something even after the descriptions of the bathroom didn’t line up.
The only thing he did was tell two girls they didn’t have what it took to go on the show and saved them the disappointment. They decided to have him falsely accused of pedophilia in response to this.
@@thundrcat5596you must be a Trump voter lol, he did nothing, was framed by two teen girls, who only got one year probation.
@@moviehermit5631 Yep. And the worst part was that they got away with it.😤😤
@@leeammorris1268The fact that the DA (aka McCoy) signed off on it seems like character assassination. And I’ve NEVER seen the police not break apart two people who wouldn’t testify against each other til now. These 2 girls are stronger than hardened criminals?
This episode needs a follow up where the teacher ends up committing suicide and McCoy figures out how to charge the two girls with murder!
the child actors in this were really good, which is ironic, considering the plot of the episode.
It's kind of weird how outstanding young male actors usually are in SVU episodes.
One of the most realistic depictions of a troubled kid I've ever seen is the one where the parents of a boy kept their child's abuser safe for hush money and it always felt awful that the aggressor didn't get what he deserved and the young boy didn't get the help he needed.
The episodes from the first seasons really were something else.
My son was Cooper (the brown haired little boy). He’s 18 now! ❤
@@lesleybento930 wow time flies like crazy! I’m sure he didn’t understand what the episode was really about, but he’s still amazing. Did he continue to act? It must be nice to have Law & Order on his resume!
Beautiful ❤ @@lesleybento930
@@RLucas3000 Alex Bento (his real name) has appeared in 5 episodes of a show called 'Vinyl' in 2016, and 1 episode of Mr Robot, in 2017.
I work with kids. I'm *so grateful* for the video surveillance in the classrooms.
I work at a school bus company. I'm also grateful we have cameras on our busses.
This is really important and I wish more schools and programs would do it. I'm frustrated that I was the music teacher in a preschool program that did not. I'm glad to be retired!
By the way, this program was as recent as July 2023 and due to the training, it seems they may have had similar issues. I witnessed a lot of crazy stuff and I'm glad I was a teacher while my son was in the program. Part of why I will never put a kid in a daycare until they are old enough to talk. 😢
This is one of the most accurate portrayals of the vindictiveness that some people have that I have ever seen. It's sad that this kind of thing happens in real life.
Only a sociopath reacts to something that banal with this kind of rage and self-righteous revenge crusade.
@@mateicoconu6197 One of the girls clearly is a sociopath, the other one is just too much of a doormat.
First sign something is off is when the 6 yr old says "he edged me." As a detective with keen 6th sense for detail, that would be the first red flag that the boy is repeating a story he doesn't understand. 2nd red flag. The bathroom is nice bc it has blue birds & flowers. The bathroom would not be associated with anything "nice" after that happens to him in that bathroom. In fact, he'd rather never go to that bathroom again. He'd prefer to hold until recess. Two red flags that would send me down a rabbit hole all week.
Bill Are You a detective?
When you are filled with pity for the boy, it's hard to look at the case objectively. You can do the analysis calmly cause you have seen the end
“They’re damaged?” Lmao right? The lawyer guy pissed me off there, I forget his name rn
Rafael Barba. He was right - the boys WERE damaged - but it was poorly worded, considering who he speaking to, and the circumstances he was speaking to him in.
@Kristin_James I can understand why he would be mad. But indicting the girls- no matter ho deserving they were- will not help heal his reputation- which is tarnished no matter what happens- but will further damage the kids... There's a time to be the adult and not drag innocent kids in anymore then they already have- without bettering your situation. Damage management!
@@v4v819 The kids were coached into lying about someone who genuinely cared about them by people they were supposed to trust.
The thing you're so worried about averting? It's already happened.
Getting cold feet will only cause more damage.
@@v4v819 By your logic grapists shouldn't go to prison because sending them prison doesn't ungrape their victims.
Question to lawyers: can’t he sue the girls’ parents? The DA might not want to put the 4 years olds on the stand but a monetary lawsuit could, right? And if parents don’t want the 4 years old on the stand, they can just agree to the terms of the lawsuit, right? Maybe losing most of their money would at least teach those girls a lesson.
And if the school won’t give him his job back, he can sue for that too, right? With some firm that does pro bono work?
Absolutely he can sue them for defamation. In order to have a defamation case, you basically have to have three conditions met: 1) someone made statements about you knowing that they were false, 2) the statements were made publicly, either in writing or vocally, and 3) the statements caused great financial burden to you. He lost his job because of those false allegations, he should sue those girls and their parents for all they're worth. Especially since he'll probably never be able to teach because of the stain to his reputation, at least he can try to recoup some money to be able to live off of savings for a while until he can figure out a new path in terms of a career.
@@cmauthorplus the damage to his reputation and shame in the community. The girls absolutely need to be held culpable in some way.
Amazing that homophobia blinds people to who the vast majority of molesters are to the detriment of the child. As for those malignant, spoiled girls they need to be in debt for the rest of their lives.
@@cmauthorEven still I don’t think Jackie would be looking for just money. He really liked helping kids, he wouldn’t be able to do that anymore because of his stained reputation.
@@RLucas3000 I'm amazed that Jackie didn't do what the ex-husband did to his ex-wife in the episode Burned. He would've been 100% justified.
Amanda was the only one who believed that the music teacher was innocent. They would have listened to her and investigated more before just focusing on him immediately as a suspect.
This episode pissed me and my mom off. That the detectives were so easy to jump the gun. My mom also despised Benson in this episode by pushing and pushing. I agreed. The only part of this episode that could be called 'good' is Rollins didn’t believe the girls, but Jackie.
Those girls should've been held accountable.
They didn't jump the gun they did what their supposed to do, investigate the case. You know, treat Jackie just like anyone else.
Jumped the gun clealry u don't know how investigation works stop tryna act like you'll know how to do others jobs
The cops barely investigated any leads. One of the kids wasn't getting his story straight. And the girls should've gotten a felony charge.
Not the girls
But her parents
Really. Send kids to prison but not blank people.
@@Liztastaney7 Blank people? Who's that?
@@laurafabianmarrero Yes the girls. The teenage girls are the ones who felt hurt and made up the story not the parents. The parents was just believing their kids without thinking too much of it.
@@Liztastaney7 I think it means white people. Had to research it.
Nah, hell nah. You have to apologize to me, with the same energy you accused me with. Have a news conference and tell the people, you made a huge mistake and give him an apology. Tell them you accused him, without doing a thorough investigation.
Rollins was the only one who believed Jackie.
The only one.
That's why believe the victim is so problematic because of people who lie. It leaves no room to be unbiased. Anybody can say anything at all. I've seen it numerous times. There was just a young black NBA player who was fasley accused this year I think it was. The girl lied and had her friend lie on the stand. The entire case was based off nothing. I don't why they even indicted him. The girl had like 6 other DNA in her and none of them were his. Smh.
Ill be holding on to that evidence egg.
@jakeilano6821 this was one of Olivia's biggest failures, especially since a similar crime happened when Stabler was still her partner. It took the ex-husband setting his ex-wife ON FIRE for Olivia to realise that she was lying.
@ I remember that episode.
Those girls are the perfect example of the dangers of the "self-esteem" movement. Telling people they are amazing at something their whole lives, when they really aren't, while giving them whatever they want just makes them vindictive and lash out when they are confronted with the truth or told no.
That’s why honest communication with children as early as when they can first ask a question is always better in the end. Don’t dumb it down, don’t hide the truth from them, be honest! Instead of telling your child that they’re good at something they’re not, encourage them by saying that they’re enthusiasm is what they’re getting right, but maybe they should try something else.
@@j.pnewcomer1069 Please don't be a parent, both of you! That is just as wrong as lying to them...
Steering them toward what is best for them is the right approach and the primal job as a parent! You don't want to damage their sense of self-worth either, that can be just as damning... A balance is needed and gentle, subtle adjustments... You can get the same outcome without the damage by the kinder approach, every time! E.G. if your 11 1/2 year-old, music loving, son is bad- i mean BAD!- at singing, then buy him a guitar, and get him guitar lessons- worked for me! Thanks Mom!
You Said it so welll
“THEY’RE damaged?!”
That part
The only silver lining is the hope that Jackie sued the NYPD and got a big cash settlement. Olivia is too quick a lot of the time to believe an accusation as soon as it's made. If she says "it's my job to believe the victims," someone should say "only after you've proven they're victims."
Jackie got nothing
@@thundrcat5596exactly
I'm still hoping he come back in the future to get his Revenge
@@thundrcat5596idiot
Couldn't have put it better.
@ something I wish would always happen on this show just for it to rub in the squad’s face!
I have actually seen this happen. It is horrible how a person can be destroyed by false accusations.
You would think that after sending an innocent man to jail for 8 years because benson was more concerned for the victims, benson would be act more slowly and wait until innocent till proven guilty but no, she didn’t learn her lesson and a man’s life was ruin
Having seen the show, it’s remarkable how often the team not only arrests the wrong person, but also occasionally engages in police brutality towards them. They really should have been sued ten times over.
@@justintaylor3081 I like to think that every innocent person who had their lives destroyed sued them
Why are the kids making these accusations if the guy is innocent?
@@JaimieSharkeybecause he told one of the girls that she wasn't good enough at singing, so she told them to say those things.
People need to understand that this show is not supposed to portray the SVU as perfect people, all of there episodes are based on true stories and how they went
It's a shame that he didn't even listen to Rollins, even though she believed him.
Believing him wasn't good enough
@@phantomrenegade2786there was evidence he was innocent
Yet they did nothing for him
But ruin his life
It's a "shame"? Really 🥴
Out of ALL of the episodes in SVU history, this one probably pissed me off the most.
A gay, black man's entire career and reputation were destroyed and his name, thrown into the sh*t forever.
All of that was awful, but you wanna know what really, really gets to me??
*How easily it could've been avoided.*
I mean, if Liv and the gang had just slowed down and taken the time to really listen to what Jackie had to say, they would've seen that those two boys were being coached into lying by their sisters. But of course, as always, Liv chose the victims and didn't even listen to the accused's side.
Now, an innocent man's life is ruined, the little b*tches responsible got off with a slap on the wrist, and the NYPD got even more bad credit than it already had at the time.😠😠
It's also how Amanda clearly knew that something was off about the case right from the beginning and didn't say anything.😤😤
@@leeammorris1268 want a tissue?
@@thundrcat5596 PC babies need a bottle
Typical LEO's. They just want a win and don't care about justice.
@@thundrcat5596 Nah, I'm good.😅😅
This case was ten years ago in the show. Liv has grown a lot since then.
@@ChrisCosat Ain't that the truth.
And innocent people like Jackie pay the price.🤦♂🤦♂
Olivia pissed me tf off this episode
Same here
And she think saying sorry is enough
She never apologizes
@@laurafabianmarreroI think she has
@@laurafabianmarrero No offense, But she REALLY is sorry. I Mean, Lets remember Olivia is ONLY HUMAN. Like the famous phrase goes, "were only human." She Made a Mistake. She should Have Listened to Jackie more, But she did not. she realizes that and she's sorry. There's nothing she can do about it. You can tell by Some of her Phrases near the End, she feels Bad. But hey, No1 is perfect.
Elliot pissed me off in Season 3 Ridicule made
😠: Olivia and that stupid angry Nick, were idiots! All you have to do was listen!!
Oh I hated this episode. Rollins was so right, and had to force the others to realize the boys were being manipulated by their older sisters.
What episode and season was this?
@leoreeme682 it was Season 15's episode 7 "Dissonant Voices"
as someone who has gone through something very similar when i was 4 this really made me feel some feelings that idk if i can even describe
A twisted version of 'Mommy knows best', given how Brooke picked up some hefty pointers from her mother, when she was playing hardball with the divorce.
Manipulation, Using children as pawns, framing. Only a sociopath reacts to something this banal with that kind of self-righteous revenge crusade
These girls were nothing but self-centered, narcissistic, spoiled brats. Once Their brothers get older and realize what they have got them involved in, they're going to hate them for the rest of their lives.
One of the worst days for the SVU team
Mmmhmm.😔😔
Because now they have committed a federal crime AFAIK by not pursuing a hate crime. Say goodbye to their careers.
@@ThePokemonSoldier bro they're cops unlike most people they'll be fine.
@@princezgeekchic3690 probably the only time except Rollins that they were in theory portrayed as the villains particularly Benson and Amaro
@@nascour5991 Which is the problem with society. Cops are treated better than citizens. If they were true equals...
The damage the girls inflicted on their brothers is going to be their punishment. It's not something that will go away, the brothers and parents will always doubt whatever those girls say going forward and as the boys grow up and better understand what happened they'll likely resent them for making them the face for child molestation that didn't happen. Also even their light sentence will affect their lives in a major way, they're NEVER getting into another dance program as a minor and are likely not going to cut it in the adult field either.
Loved the actor for the accused guy, he nailed the part. You could feel the dawning horror of injustice that he realizes he can't fight against. He can sue them for slander though, his entitled damages for character assassination destroying his high profile career and them having pleaded out will give him a strong case.
except he can’t prove anything and he doesn’t have any money for a civil trial.
@@thundrcat5596off course he can probé it
Since he was innocent and they lie
Do You Even watch the video before your comment all Your nonsense
I always keeping hoping that Jackie will return in a later episode
The teenagers in law and order are always the most twisted and heartless kind of criminals. Thinking they can get away with everything all because they're "kids." Making themselves look like the victim and their parents defends them even after they are charged for the crime that they have clearly committed.
That accused guy is Billy Porter! He's amazing and fabulous and a gay icon
I hate that jackies life was ruined and those 2 girls didnt get a fitting punishment. On the bright side those 2 managed to become "famous" but not the way the wanted to and will most likely never become famous as they were hoping for. Not after all that web of lies. I mean not a single coach would take them as students. Everyone of them would run away from them once they see them. The price of "fame", right????
I disagree; I think those two have an aspiring political career in their future. They fit the criteria: Dishonest, lack of morals and a vindictive drive when they’re denied what they want, or the opportunity to get ahead
One of the top 3 worst episodes of all time. This one made my blood boil
Same.🤝🤝
But what’s your top three
What episode and season is this one?
@leoreeme682 Season 15 Episode 7 "Dissonant Voices".
I had this happen to a friend of mine. Sadly a week after the charges were dropped he killed himself. This episode reminds me of him and pisses me off!!!!
Tes I personally know what you have been though.
Look up the suicide rates of people that have been accused of something like this and are innocent. Versus those that are guilty.
Billie Porter is the most incredible actor and entertainer out in the world today. I need more of him. I hated this episode because I know how careful gay men have to be. I was educated in fine arts, and half of my friends were gay. I could trust every one of them with my young son.
he's ONE of the best, not THE best
2:07 "Touched by your concern"
Poor phrasing given the circumstances, lady.
I cannot watch this episode ever again. It breaks my heart that the man's life was ruined
u would think they would change the laws and start charging those who falsify others
That guy is a very marvelous Actor, forgot his name, but he’s SUPERB!!
I always hated this episode because those bratty teenagers got away with ruining an innocent man's life.
What episode and season was this?
I kinda wish Jackie took the same revenge that ex-husband took on his ex-wife on that episode Burned.
I hate it when people hurt children the very thing that sets me off is a child molester or a abusive brat, it is unacceptable and quite vile that anyone would dare to hurt others especially children.
Where is this rage coming from? The teacher didn’t do it!
@@francostevo9939 I was speaking in general however it is never good to destroy someone’s reputation over Envy and anger or jealousy
3:44 is so true. I was exposed to so much music as a child. Music is in my blood. My mother played clarinet in middle school and high school, and now she plays piano, my oldest sister is getting a degree in clarinet at the University of Tennessee, and my middle sister played tuba for at least five years. I’m on my second year of French horn and it’s the best thing that’s ever happened to me. Music is my escape, and yes, it’s so, so difficult, but it’s like a puzzle. When you finally figure it out, you look back and see how much you’ve grown.
I love music. I encourage everyone to pick up an instrument because I believe that everyone has a musical spark in them. We just need to give that spark some wood and it’ll grow into a giant, beautiful bonfire.
I am intrigued and hooked on this series because of the different cases and it gets creepy and seems realistic. Great performances.
Don't go in, stand at door. If the child needs help, call for 2nd adult. Very few situations need immediate touching, but shout HELP.
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This is why they all needed, especially Benson, to hear what Captain Curry said about people losing faith in law enforcement.
So all because not wanting to have a big chance of fame, leading to vengeance for a simple paid back and refusing to accept the feedback. A bit delusional? In most parts, I can understand but getting framed on all this? Unbelievable.
@@bartekdwornik4721 don’t poke the bear and he won’t eat you.
@@thundrcat5596 What does that mean?
Talk to the hand baby. Talk to the hand!
Extend an apology? You better extend me a check.
The only thing more disgusting than predators is people who falsely accuse others of being predators, as a survivor myself. This is why so many people never come forward about SA :/
I remember this episode! That poor teacher! And Billy Porter is awesome!
This show really emphasize the stupidity of this show. The entire SUV squad are not good cops
Easy to say that now when you know what Happened during the show you wasn’t thinking that
Unfortunately, this situations do happen in real life. The show pulls cases from the headlines.
6:11 Sonia Manzano as Judge Gloria Pepitone formerly known as Maria on Sesame Street
yeah i saw that i taught i was seeing things yes she played Maria in Sesame Street it whatched that show 1970s
@@dominiquepilon5910I loved her as Maria on Sesame Street
Young teenagers who make up something that gets the victim put through everything and be like oops yeah it isn't true should be jailed themselves. Even with the recent reveal in real life that the teenager girl lied to her father that her teacher showed anti racist strip/story in class which got spread through the community as a gossip. Then someone else wasn't happy with the gossip and beheaded the teacher. The girl lied to her father because the teacher booted her out of class or something and was embarrassed to reveal to her father. After the trial she simply said that she was sorry.
I felt so sorry for this teacher that lost his courier job his reputation and the law does nothing to fix it
2:07.
Those horrible teenage girls might be to blame for Mr. Jackie having his life ruined, but the real culprit of how his fall from grace began is that lawyer or whatever she is.
Surely she could’ve waited just a few hours until after his classes were over and he wouldn’t have looked so bad by comparison.
I have a friend that was like 19 when a friend of his (f16) was kicked out of her house by her step father, my friend let her stay at his house. Next thing you know, he was in jail for SA. It took 2 years for him to be released. The girl ended up admitting that he didn't SA her, but he step father did. My friend had to move out to another state because of the harrasment, no one believed he wasn't guilty even thought it was proved (the SA kit didn't had his dna in any way). I know I'm a female and, as a female, I should believe all victims but, what happened to my friend proved me that not all victims are victims. Btw, my friend's dad has money, he's in the military. The step father was trying to get money out of them, he's in jail right now. Also, it is not FU money, it is just "I can have a comfortable life" type of money, not even rich. But yeah. There's people that won't hesitate in ruining your life.
Just because you are female doesn’t mean you should automatically believe all victims. Not all of them are good people.
This is a scary scenario,but it makes you think. I would gladly impose life in prison for all pedophiles if they're guilty but to think how easy it is to ruin a persons life over something trivial.Wow! This episode made me think that this could actually happen to anyone. Even if you're found not guilty, your life is pretty much ruined
A life ruined forever.
If your child says he hates an adult! Stop putting words in his mind that no you dont!
Better to ask followed up questions not jumpt into conclusions.
The worst part is that this actually happens. I have an experience like this. I'm so sorry for anyone else that has to be subjected to something like this, whether it's false accusations and/or being sexually abused. Just know: you are not alone and people around you will help you.
Woah dad she wasn't accusing you. Lol
Kids aren't dumb but selfishness does go pretty far.
It’s like this channel is incapable of posting content not already posted. The new season of Law and Order is REALLY good though. Last week’s cameos were awesome.
Right?! There are so many more compelling cases but they rehash the modern scenes that everyone knows! Gimme some munch conspiracies or banter with Lennie and Ed.
I’ve never seen the second half of this, did you even watch the full post? The old post stops with him looking guilty.
@@ryang54712 I’ve never seen the second half of this, did you even watch the full post? The old post stops with him looking guilty.
@@RLucas3000 did you really watch the episode? the girl's lied and his career was ruined
@@RLucas3000did You Even watch the episodes 😂😂
He was innocent
The girls lie
A man life and reputation was ruin base on a lie and because they didnt do You their job
My family would have blamed me for being abused if I was this kid .
You have horrible parents I’m very sorry for you.
Truly heartbreaking episode and by two nasty and evil young girls 😡😡
TW!! topics of sexual assault and grooming involved in this comment, do not read this if you have trauma or have experienced something similar to the topic of this video
I had a music teacher named Mr. Miller. This was in fourth grade and I had a severe candy addiction. This will sound weird, but he had this mat that he cleaned often and would put candy on it for us to eat. We weren't allowed to use our hands. I now realize that he was only trying to see our behinds because a few months later, about several children came out saying that he took them into his closet, and made them 'stroke his chicken' while singing so it wouldn't look suspicious. I'm now in tenth grade and still am shocked that my favorite, motorcycle riding, always happy, and just awesome teacher ended up being a predator.
I pray and hope that this does not happen to anyone else.
I’m so sorry for that. I’m sure the guy took pictures of you guys too. Maybe you could get him arrested, odds are he has CP on his phone or any other device he has.
@@SkippysMisadventures He went to jail for possession of CP, public indecency, misdemeanor, assault, and grooming. If you'd like to search up his case, just search up "Westmost Hilltop Mr. Miller" Thank you so much for your support.
I remember this episode. The sisters coached their brothers and lied till the lie couldn’t be held up anymore. All cuz one girl was jealous that her “friend” got more attention (because she actually had potential and the other girl didn’t). Plus the damage to his reputation and “confronting” him with it in public! NYPD seriously dropped the ball with this one. And then the parents made it no better
What episode and season was this?
I think this was one of the first episodes of the show I watched watched that got me into it
My sister said 'JuSt GeT aWaY fRoM mE' sounded so gay😂😂
One thing I will say about this show is that it realistic to the point is scary Heck even the main characters makes mistakes and even get the wrong guy and even loses
Play doctor = pretends to listen....runs away and sends you a bill
Well that is a truly sad thing that happened to him
Yeah. False accusations destroy lives and the liars get, at most, a slap on the wrist. Our justice system is broken
People found innocent can still live their lives & a slap on the wrist depends on the crime
I love child actors too ❤
Ok
So the two sisters.........SA their younger brothers????
No, they weren't SA'd at all. The sisters coached the brothers to lie because Jackie dropped them as students
@p_b2000 Ok......that's a little bit better than I thought
Still pretty fucked up
This is why we talk to lawyers, not police
You know, when allegations were made against Woody Allen the conclusion of the investigation was that Dylan Farrow's answers appeared rehearsed and that she struggled to tell the difference between fantasy and reality, yet videos like this show just how easy it is for these things to happen.
As usual Liv jumped to her " victim is always right" conclusions ‼️‼️
Everyone is innocent until proven guilty.
@EthanKiz in reality it's Guilty until proven innocent unfortunately
@ well it should be the other way around
@@EthanKiz agree 💯
He should have sued both nypd and the girls parents..that way the lawsuit and its information would have been in the news clearing his name up and at the same time he gets his name cleared up...hopefully jackie comes for full swing revenge on the parents n nypd
thats some shady bs. they wanted to destroy that innocent guys career.
When the little girl, I knew instantly it was bs!😭
The P word is something you can never get rid of, even if found totally innocent of any crime or set up. It is like a black mark against you forever
Doesn’t make it any better that he’s gay, not THAT he’s gay, but the fact that homophobes will try to make a gay person a bad guy because they’re gay
If anyone else is wondering why the blonde daughter looks familiar, it’s Hana Hayes. She was the VA for Sarah in the game Last of Us 1. I watched a LoU let’s play she was in.
Sadly, it's so easy to send the wrong person to jail.
This episode reminds me so much of why God said Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
I love kids love to interact with them but god I would never no way against my will I rather die I can't get this thought out of my head
So in other words… those girls Ruined that Teachers Career.. just because those girls wasn’t good enough to make it at all in singing?! That’s some bull! 😮😮😢😢
I couldn't find this episode. Does anyone know which episode is it in which season?🤔🤔🧐
Wow . 🙄 get a dictionary and look up “description”. You might just learn something.
Hell just look up for the episode title and season number; that’s what the wiki is for.
Season 15 episode 7 Dissonant Voices hope this helps
@@francostevo9939typing the episode or nothing would have taken less time
No kid I ever knew growing up ever used the word edged.
Did I just see Taylor Hicks and Clay Aiken from American Idol?
Phreequing PHALTZ ACCUSATIONS harm every One! Don't do it. You make it an epic challenge to get justice for those who ACTUALLY have the right.
Maddening
Heart wrenching
WASTE OF PUBLIC RESOURCES!
What an awful situation..
This man should have sued big time. Benson and Amoro were way out of line. Rollins was the only one with a cool head.
Those girls are the worst, just like the 2 from that one case of two girls who killed a kid, and blamed on the guy with mental problems.
Those girls never got punished. Jackie would've been 100% justified if he went down the same route as that ex-husband who was falsely accused by his wife in the episode Burned.
No
@@thundrcat5596yes
@@thundrcat5596🤖
@@thundrcat5596 then you have your life ruined by two vindictive girls. Then see how long it takes you to strike a match.
Couldn't they have checked for fingerprints on the "magic egg"? Sure, there might've been a lot of traces of fingerprints. But there could've been ones that couldn't have been accounted for, like the two girls who had no business being in that classroom. And if the teacher says it isn't his, then his fingerprints shouldn't be on it; on the chance he was lying, then his fingerprints would be on there.
The judge is Maria from Sesame Street
There’s a moral to this story,DO NOT MAKE FALSE ACCUSATIONS OF CHILD MOLESTATION, if you do, then you should go to prison for as long as a real serial Pedophile should.
Most importantly,
1 of the 7 things God Hates, A Lying Tongue.
To all who are sinners, repent and believe the gospel of Jesus, for though we are born as sinners, we can die saints bought by the blood of Jesus Christ so that we could go to heaven.
These Grownups are such sickos that go after children
Perfect example of Woke Gen Z. These entitled girls were angry that they were told they have no talent that they forced their brothers to lie about a kind man hurting them. I was ready to believe in his guilt, but i had doubt. Especially with the way Mega Karen came out of the woodwork lying. She helped to encourage the lies. The girls hurt their brothers physically and emotionally and hurt the teacher too. Mega Karen probably orchastrated it like she did with her ex husband. I feel bad for the boys, ex husband and the teacher. This is too sad and too common. It needs to end. And the girls should get more than a year's probation. It's like they are mocking children and the man who's career was almost destroyed.
Those girls shouldve gotten the same punishment that ex-wife in the episode Burned got.
calm down, son, it's just a tv show
Bro, I watched this episode like 10 years ago and I feel bad for bro, I can’t remember the full episode if they ever got charged or something
that tv personality would very likely be on the radar of operation yewtree if he ever worked in the uk in the 70s and 80s