Best Projector Screens for Ultra Short Throw Laser Projectors | Make the Right Choice
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Pls make more of such videos!!!! Really love your videos. Sending love from Singapore!!! :)
Wow thank you so much, I have been thinking about getting the VAVA and then waiting for some time to save up for the Vividstorm but this makes me reconsider...
This is exactly the type of information i needed to know. Thanks!
Thank you for the great video. I have a question, are all ALR screens created equal? If money was no option what screen would you recommend for an ultra short throw in a room where the screen needs to be out of the way when not in use? Thanks again
Great (beyond fair) comparison and guide in buying proper screens.
Thank for telling me what screen is best I didn’t know
Mate, you have such an angelic voice, I'd listen to you for days. It is absolutely impossible not to like your videos. I'd wish this was Amazon Alexa's male counterpart . I always wanted an ust projector but their input lag threw me off every time. I tried with the new Xiaomi 4k, and besides the horrendous input lag also had a ton of problems. So i settled with a Sony vpl vw360es, bought brand new at an amazing price. Also ordered a dark energy screen and a curved frame. I love playing games on huge screens. I also keeping my 77" oled which is amazing, but to be used when episodes as the latter Game of thrones are released. Good job. Subscribed.
Thank you for posting this friend. You saved me from an expensive mistake.
I was about to make the same mistake. Thanks
Videos like this one makes me proud of being suscribed to your channel :), awesome info thanks!
Great info, thank you. So having used an Epson 5030UB 1080p projector for years, with a Stewart FireHawk (silver/grey) I'm thinking about getting a Short throw Laser projector. Of course the Stewart screen is fixed, 108" diagonal and is the same material used by Steward to make the Cinema screens. So its a great screen for normal projection. My question now is how well this screen will perform with a Short Throw projector. The ALR Projector screens toot to cut out ambient light and perform well reflecting the short throw light source directly to the the viewer. My Stewart FireHawk does not have that special reflective property. So I have to wonder how well it will work, and how well it would work compared to high end ALR screen. My Stewart screen was CAD$2500 when I bought it 8 years ago, so it was the best available at that time. I feel you could do an another video comparing Stewart, Da-Lite, and some ALR screens, as I'm sure many viewers have already got a decent projector screen that they don't want to replace. Thanks for great video.
I love the vividstorm. Every projector I review I use this screen. I have it in my living room and use it every day. Great review
thank you so much ,dear!!!
Its a shame I cant get one in the UK! Just ordered Optoma P1 with no Vividstorm screen available nor any decent electric floor rising screen available on these isles it seems. #bummer
I realized about a year ago that once you get a system like this....I can't watch TV on a regular 4k TV ( even a 70 inch) anymore....at least my buddies come over and I don't have to drive lol
@@SteYoung! Er egg c''ZZZ
Dude its $3000 lol..
one question: how is the depth / arrow of your forniture where the screen-shell is?
super helpful thank you!
Do you have any fixed screen recommendations? I just recently got the VAVA 4K projector and need help
thank you! its been very helpful
I have chosen a fixed frame alr screen from China.... 120" 990$ wonderful Pictures.....absolutly love it😊👍🏼
Fantastic video! Thank you!
Just a heads up to anyone thinking of buying one of these. I ordered a 100" to go with Optoma CinemaX P2. The first one turned up twisted, due to manufacturing issues. I was sent a replacement. This was mutch better, however it had a vertical crease on the left hand side from top to bottom. I was told this would come out over time, but it didn't. Tried warming the area with a hairdryer and leaving the screen erected as advised. But this did not rectify. As it was a vertical crease and this screen is not fully tensioned horizontally, there is nothing to stop this happening. Although this screen is very nice, I would strongly advise a fixed screen for an UST projector!!!
I will say though, that their customer service is excellent. So if really wanting one, possibly worth a try. As if you don't have any luck, then they will rectify without hesitation.
I'm so glad that I saw this video before purchasing a short throw projector
What did you go for?
@@allthingstech was gonna get the viewsonic x10, but this video made me realize I need to spend another 2k on the screen, which would be way out of my budget. :(
Can't overstate how true this is. If you go UST you will really want an ALR screen. With a UST projector, the angle at which light is hitting the wall or projector screen, any imperfections are even more prone to show up than when using a regular throw projector. On my Stewart Firehawk I immediately saw imperfections in the screen that I never seen when using standard throw. My ceiling also looked like a strobe light with my Optoma P1. There are really only two choices (technology wise) for UST. Lenticular and Fresnel. Lenticular based screens have a lower gain, they increase the contrast dramatically. Pretty much every UST ALR screen uses this technology. Fresnel was originally created by DNP but XY has a model.
Each has it's advantages and disadvantages. Lenticular has better viewing angles, no glare (easier on the eyes) but a lower gain (typically 0.4 to 0.6) and mainly blocks ambient light from above. Fresnel has a brighter image (1.0 to 1.2 gain), rejects light from all angles except the UST PJ but also has limited viewing angles, is hard screen, has a glare due to the technology, and can be prone to hot spotting. Right now they seem to mostly used for bright conference rooms. Up until recently Fresnel was also limited to 100"s but DNP says they can make them in any size. With that said, I could never find a price on the DNP, only phone number to authorized resellers which just means i'ts way out of my price point.
I ended up with the GrandView dynamique. Based of my research it was pretty much on par with the much more expensive Da-Lite and SI models, while still performing almost as good. It can resolve 4K pixels, while the Elite Aeon CLR is only rated for 1080p reducing sharpness and I got a great deal on it due to buying the P1 and the Grandview from the same authorized reseller. I reached out to some XY Fresnel resellers. No one would ship just one Fresenl screen as it's hard screen so the packaging is HUGE. I was also skeptical of ordering directly from China.
Grandview (Lenticular based):
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XY Fresnel vs XY PET Crystal (Lenticular based)
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Fresnel (based off of CRT rear projection technology)
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DNP Supernova Infinity (100 inches+)
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My P1 on 100" Grandview dymanique (Before leveling PJ and fixing minor creases)
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Great Comment Josh and Nice Setup!
@@allthingstech Thanks! First up major upgrade in 3 years but it was a big one. I ended up doing more research on UST ALR screens then UST PJ's. To me it was always between the LG and the Optoma, and later I thought about the Vava but since the P1 just won Projector Central's Editor's Choice Award for the year, I think I made the right choice as the LG was to expensive once the price was announced. The review also clearly explains why the P1 defaults back to Cinema mode all the time which has been a minor headache as I had to start writing down all my settings but this should be addressed via a firmware update in mid June per Optoma. Not sure if you ran into this during you review but it is quite annoying and has to do with switching between HDR and SDR content. If you have it preset to HDR Sim for SDR, then watch HDR material, it will revert back to Cinema mode once you switch back to SDR content. Projector Central is going to revisit the LG to compare to the Optoma so I am looking forward to seeing that comparison as it's starting to seem like the LG costs more due to using two lasers and a yellow phosphor to get rid of the color wheel. I have a feeling this added to the costs. I do wish I had LG WebOS as the apps on the P1 are a joke and it would be nice to watch TH-cam in HDR. I'm not a fan of TH-cam forcing VC9 version 2 codec for HDR instead of HVEC. It's sad that the 2019 Shield Pro can't do TH-cam HDR considering it's the best Android streaming box out there right now. I think only the Chromecast Ultra and LG WebOS currently do TH-cam HDR.
www.projectorcentral.com/Optoma-CinemaX-P1-UST-Projector-Review.htm
Anyone with questions can follow this thread on avsforums to get updated info on the P1.
www.avsforum.com/forum/24-digital-hi-end-projectors-3-000-usd-msrp/3041368-optoma-p1-4k-laser-ust-ces-78.html#post59678434
Very good quality video. Thx. Blooming expensive😭
What are your views on other floor rising screens like Elite ezee screen? They cost much lesser at 500 bucks in North america
PS Brilliant videos on this topic. To the point without all the waffle. Keep it up!
Thanks my friend!
Some reddit topics mention creases and dents because of opening and closing. Also users mention that screen wont stretch perfectly after some time so the image is distorted. Apparently the response from Vividstorm is that they advise the user to leave the screen open at all times. Pretty useless for a retractable screen. How is your experience with this?
I wonder if the floor screen could be mounted on the ceiling?
Would Elite Screens 120" Short Throw screen be a good fit for Optoma 4K DLP UHZ65UST?. Looking to get this setup.
Can you be a little more specific about how close is too close with a short throw projector? I planned on using my benq short throw projector from five or four feet away from the screen.
Edit: I have not ordered it yet I was about to order it and thankfully I saw this video
I don't know about using a wall as an UST screen. I was using a wall as a temp screen before I had a permanent ALR screen up and it had many of the problems that you had with the drop down screen.
Visually, the wall looked flat. But, any (and I mean *any*) imperfections which deviate from *perfectly flat* will be magnified. I had the same (albeit static) wavy pattern that you did with the drop down screen.
Now that I have a permanent, flat screen, this problem no longer occurs.
I'm using the "Hayluk 100-inch Projector Screen,4k HD Ambient Light Rejection(ALR) Projection Screen,16:9 Ust Ultra Short Throw Movies Screen,Indoor Video Home Theater, Edge Free Fixed Frame Screen" which I got on Amazon for $400 ($500 - $100 coupon).
I just bought a short throw projector (Optoma GT1080HDR ) its gonna be ceiling mounted , gonna have a dedicated space for it , have already installed blackout curtains , what projection screen could you recommend , anything in the range of 80 inches , any help will be greatly appreciated .
hi i have just got my optoma p1 and i am using it on vivdstorm 120 screen but somehow i am unable to utilise the complete screen. please guide
Thank you for this educational review.
I have the vava projector, and I have a 100" inch ALR screen from XY screens. 800 usd.
Very pleased, awesome image and high end ALR fabric.
That is not motorized ? Drop down or fixed screen?
Fixed screen
Is there a 150" version of the Vividstorm?
QUESTION: I bought a GYNGO short throw and used it with my normal cheap screen. After a few minutes the image went out. Did my cheap screen burn the projector by bouncing back the lasers back to the projector?
plz suggest me best of best UST projector screen I'm confused between Aeon CLR Vs elune vision aurora 8k Vs vivid Strom plz plz reply
For the motorized screen options, does it have to be a floor rising tab tensioned screen to get a good picture? Or can it still be a ceiling drop down screen as long as it’s a tab tensioned drop down?
Will love to know that also
@@lifetimestoriesphotography I had a 166" drop down tab tensioned motorized screen for my long throw Epson 5040UB and it would move EVER SO SLIGHTLY at certain times due to draft, my dog walking next to it, ghosts, etc.. I would imagine that with an UST projector it would look hilariously similar to some of the issues this guy was dealing with (I couldn't stop laughing at the image distortion). In summary, for my UST projector purchase I am about to make, I will likely get a floor-rising-tab-tensioned style screen. Hope this helped.
I take this back. Currently researching fixed vs. floor-rising as I just read users saying after some time, their floor rising screens warped. Anyway, my drop down suggestion still stands.
Great informative video. I literally just ordered my Vava 4k projector, and since it is capable of 150" screen, that's what I had to shop for. I purchased the Silver Ticket 150" fixed screen with high contrast material. Anyone have any experience with that one? I've read good things.
How did it work out?
How did the screen turn out?
@@charlycash great. Love the screen. Very high quality and great picture
Why can't I use a ceiling mounted tab-tension screen? Why does it have to be a floor version?
That’s what im thinking wouldnt it be the same as long as its tab tension?
yup been there done that,ripped my pull down off the wall and fired it down the rubbish chute,a piece of MDF with a quality ALR paint is just the ticket..
How can ALR paint even exist? I thought ALR screens worked by the angle and alignment of the ridges, cant see how a paint could achieve that.
I am planning to get a 120" ceiling type motorized ALR screen with tension tabs for a 4k UST projector. Do you think I will be regret, or should I flock another thousand bucks for a floor rising model ? I reason why I like a ceiling model is that the 7nit is much wider than my 8' wide media stand. Hope someone has any experience with a ceiling can shed some lights
I am in the same situation. Did you finally get the drop down version or floor rising one?
@@nlonakutty I got the drop down version, but haven't installation yet due to reno.
The links don't work mate, have you got any new links. Thanks
Thanks for the great advice on screen choice. I have two burning questions that nobody seems to be able to answer authoritatively:
1. Where can someone in the UK see and buy these things? The screens and projectors seem to all ship from the US (if you can at all) or the far east. Is there anywhere that does them locally and has showrooms I can drive to?
2. My room layout is prohibitive when it comes to UST or long throw options due to having a Mrs who doesn't want it to "look too modern". So my only real options are to try hide the equipment in the ceiling if possible. I cannot find any help or advice in written or video form that talks about UST and ALR screens that are ceiling mounted. The P1 manual says it's possible to ceiling mount but may void warranty. The Logitec has settings in the menu to flip the image. ALR screens are specially designed to reject light from above - what happens when you turn it upside down?
These things are woefully low in content online, so would be really useful getting something from someone like yourself that can help make these decisions. Love your videos, great work!
Hi
I don't know of anywhere locally that have these screens to view, I know Vividstorm will be selling on Amazon UK soon. They also do a ceiling mounted electric tension tab screen, I've now seen it but that sounds ideal.
The issue I see with the Projectors is I am sure they will not work properly ceiling mounted upside down. I wouldn't take the chance.
You always need a frame screen to get the best result. 👌🏼
Afternoon boss...if you get 2mins drop a link to any cheapy cheap amazon type 60quids or less useable projectors ...or around that ££ especially if uve an affiliate link :)
Even a wall will be too wavy for a UST projector unless you spend a lot of time and patience re-texturing it.
Why can’t a tab tensioned drop down screen be used?
same question here
I perfer to build a screen
Just ordered the Optoma P1 (UHZ65UST) and can I heck find a floor rising tab tensioned screen from anywhere. Bit gutted actually. Didnt think this would present an issue. Any suggestions ? Uk Based.
Just get one from china. It will take a couple of weeks to get to you but it will be cheaper than getting one from the US.
@@Aku77777 funnily enough I did just that and ordered from Vividstorm via Alibaba . All good arrived quickly BUT Vividstorm mixed up my order with another customers and now ive got the wrong item. Nevermind. Vividstorm have been quick to act and im sure it'll be sorted shortly. Cant wait👍
will this vividstorm screen work on my optoma 5600 ust??
all ust projectors..
Same material used for most these ust screen, only difference is the price..
Has anyone tried projecting on a sanded sheet of wood?
natural colour?
@@allthingstech Yeah, I was thinking a sanded birch wood sheet. Maybe with a UV finish so it's light colored and smooth.
get a quality ALR paint you'll be amazed..
I got a Headache 🤕
Personally I'd never used an electric screen in my home. They never last without eventually getting wrinkles. I'd look at an electric tension screen if i absolutely must
The screen the screen he was showing off is
Rather have a fixed screen not a screen that has waves or wrinkles.
Just equalize your wall and put the right paint on it. That way you get your invisible screen. (Makes your wife happy too.)
If you take a vividstorm remote into you hand....you then know all you need to know about that company. Its a pass for me, the cut to many corners, hell they even cut corners in brought daylight giving you a remote that costs less than a dollar...for a several hundred dollar device...where else did they cut corners that are not that obviouse?
scren more expensive than projector suck