Why is RICKON STARK such an IMPORTANT CHARACTER in the books
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- Rickon's significance in the A Song of Ice and Fire series often goes unnoticed, creating a sense of mystery around his role in the story. The Game of Thrones show, unfortunately, failed to grasp this, resulting in a baffling and unsatisfying exit for Rickon. However, in 'The Winds of Winter,' it's likely that Rickon will take centre stage, leaving readers curious about the importance of his role. The question then remains: why is Rickon such a crucial character, and what makes his storyline worth caring about?
In this video, I try to discuss that.
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• Rickon Stark and Shaggydog (Mel Rubi)
• Robb Stark (Denis Maznev)
• Grand Northern Conspiracy - Army (Unknown)
• The Merman’s Court (John McCambridge)
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• Skagos (Juan Carlos Barquet)
• Northern Army (Unknown)
• Dany births her dragons (Jonathan Burton)
• Daenerys (Magali Vileneuve)
• Blue-Eyed Others (Marc Simonetti)
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• Robb and Grey Wind leading a host (Tomasz Jedruszek)
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CHAPTERS
00:00 - Introduction
00:55 - The Grand Northern Conspiracy//Making Rickon King of the North!
04:45 - Fighting the Others
08:17 - Conclusion
08:52 - What do YOU think??? - บันเทิง
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Jon is undoubtedly the more sound choice, but I don‘t think the Starks will wage a civil war against themselves. Even if Jon found out about the fact that Robb made him next in line, he‘s not going to raise a claim against his own brother. At least, the Jon we know about won‘t do that.
In the books, it's made very clear that when someone is resurrected from the dead, they change a lot. There could be gaps in their memories and huge changes in their personalities, and since Jon is probably gonna be resurrected in the books, he will undergo these changes as well. He might not even remember Rickon when he wakes up and might be completely fixated on what he was trying to do before he was actually assassinated (which is to go back to Winterfell and retake his family's seat of power). This might be a good justification for a civil war between Rickon and Jon's factions.
@@thecriticalmaester9702 people definitely change when they are brought back, but when you look at what was the case with Beric for example, I definitely don‘t see the possibility of a Stark Civil war; especially since this also completely undermines Jon‘s main priority of opposing the supernatural threat, where every man who dies in another battle is already lost to the greater cause; Rickon either inheriting the Throne or taking the North for Stannis also in no way undermines Jon‘s goal, especially that second possibility.
Even Lady Stoneheart probably wouldn‘t fight her own family, and she was on the path of Darkness even well before dying in the first place. People change when they are brought back, but they don‘t do a complete 180°. Also Jon and Rickon are crucially both worgs, they are probably able to communicate with each other very well.
You could say...
He don' wan' it
I think that Jon won’t change very much compared to Beric and Lady Stoneheart.
Remember Beric forgot a part of his memories because his spirit died SIX times, which is a huge difference with Jon, who will be back probably just once.
As to Lady Stoneheart, she was dead for THREE DAYS, and it is unlikely that Jon will be dead that long.
And the most important aspect IMO is that Jon’s spirit never died. He has probably warged into Ghost and that will preserve in some sort his mental capability. I think though he will be more "wolfish" consequently when he come back even if he will not be much different.
@@ousseynougueye5949 How long Jon dies depends on how good Melisandre is at performing the spell to resurrect him. She is a powerful shadowbinder, but can she effectively perform the spell?
The interesting thing is that in the show Rickon is 100% a warg. Or a greenseer at least. He has a dream about Ned's death in season one. In fact his gift is even stronger than Bran's at least in season one
and sinse in the first seasons D&D cared about George's plan it makes me wander what it means
I was so excited about this series but I've moved on after years of no update with winds of winter. I think its also a slap in the face that George Martin commits on multiple project without finishing what he needs to first.
@@jaimesantos1170 right choice to make
The books will never be done at this point
We'll get the winds I guess but it's not the final book
The fact that Rickon has that premonition before Bran does sort of indicates that the magic is stronger in him.
Robb was also a warg in the books. All the Stark children (with the exception of Sansa) were. Still died. Rickon will also die in the books. Jon will inherit Winterfell just like he did on the show.
@@havok6280 Sansa may not have learned to warg because her direwolf was killed.
People tend to write him off because of his direwolfs name, but I’ve always believed he is the most important character in the north post Red wedding, he is the only stark who can continue the family even if he is the youngest, also his upbringing so far means that he will definitely be a formidable warrior, much like his uncle Brandon especially once you factor in the wolf’s blood which he seems to have the most of. If he doesn’t die in the long night which I don’t think he will since he’s too young to do any fighting, he will definitely be part of the stabilization of the realm afterwards, basically whatever war is fight for the throne after the whites are gone
the wolfsblood brought both Brandon and Lysanna to an early grave. But I actually am on your side. I believe that rickons dogs name spoilers it all. Grrm likes to inverse story narratives like the heroes journey in terms of Quentin Martell or Robb. I think rickon starks Storyline will be really straightforward and decisive. When the boltons are gone, rickon simply appears with davos and gets named lord of winterfell (or king in the north, as i don't believe stannis will make it).
@@peterfeuerbach5231 yes, I think Rickon will be named Lord at first while Stannis is around and then king once Stannis dies, (I don’t think he’ll die as early as most people do, but I don’t think Stannis will live although I wish he did)
@@billychops1280 completely agree. I honestly can see lord manderly betray stannis after he "served his purpose". I consider him that much of a stark loyalist for it to be possible considering he doesnt appear to expect making it out alive.
@@peterfeuerbach5231 I also think it’s possible Manderly does this, although he would only do it after most of the battles are done, to make use of Stannis for as long as possible
@@billychops1280 excactly my thinking. Stannis will be kept as long as hes usefull and the boltons are still around. The moment the north is secured and in stark hands again, stannis will either be abandoned, having suffered heavy casualties, or outright killed by wyman who doesnt give a damn about his own life anymore.
He’s the last able bodied, true-born son of ned stark. If bran stays north of the wall or dies, then he stands to succeed his brother as king/warden of the north, especially if jon is confirmed as a secret targ and is revived.
What does able-bodied have to do with succession? Bran may step out, but likely Rickon does too. My pick is Jon rules the 7 from Winterfell.
And Sansa/Tyrion handle the south.
@@jeremyadrian233 if Bran can’t have children due to his paralysis, then Rickon/his sons would be the eventual successors. That’s if the northern lords would support Bran over Rickon. Most of them looked down on Bran pretty heavily after his fall, and if he come back to winterfell as a magic using cripple that support dwindles even further. It doesn’t matter on paper, but it matters to people.
Rickon is one of the characters with the most potential.
Rikkon , the boy left by his mother and sisters at 3. Was essentially raised by his wolf. Then killed as a hostage. Truly the saddest character.
Very tragic.
I mean, his father and brothers also left him.
@@danthemancushecan sure. But that was expected. It is never expected for a mother to put her children last.
@mrsw2923 Parents in that world leave their children at their castles, keeps, etc. when they go away on business all the time.
Technically, Jon could be recognized as King in the North, while Rickon still could become Lord of Winterfell.
Not really. That would mean that the King has no crown lands of his own meaning he had no I comes or authority
@@noahkanku8139 not when johnny boi finishes off traitor bannermen when becoming King ;) I think we have a strong candidate in the storyline
@@noahkanku8139 The Nightfort. Though he will probably have to win a duel against edgelord Darkstar, since he is... of the night... OoOoOoOoOoOoOoO. That's how Jon will get Dawn, if he gets Dawn.
as someone who started out as a show watcher, reading how the northern lords were handled in the books was a massive W.
in the show alot of them seemed done with house stark so the book surprised me with this big northern conspicy plot
Me too, I was the same as you - I watched the show first and then I read the book, and I too was surprised by this plotline. I don't know exactly why Dumb & Dumber would leave it out of the story, because it seems so important, but perhaps they knew that they couldn't handle the complexity of it all. It's such a shame, but I'm glad that they didn't ruin it like they did the Dornish conspiracy plotline.
I feel like Arya's personality changes in seasons 7-8 is because she was portraying Rickon too
Uh...no. just no.
Rickon? Where do u see some of Rickon in Arya from seasons 7-8????
@@andorea11they are implying that Arya portrayed what rickon would become🤦
That… kinda makes sense. Rickon is wild and has the least amount of teachings from Ned due to his young age. If Rickon survived, it’s possible he’d be an incredibly dangerous kid, especially since he’s being essentially raised by the wildling Osha.
@@SmashingPichu wow..... smh
That might've just been more a childs thinking, but Rickon said to Bran when he refused to say goodbye to Robb that "Noone comes back".
Or it could be him having greenseer abilities as he hasn't seen any of his family members again.
I think maybe it was just child's talk, but who knows (except for George, probably). I do believe that the greenseer abilities will be important in the future, and I do think that Rickon has been having wolf dreams like the rest of his siblings. I think that through them, he has some form of contact with his siblings. 🤔
I would think anything they do with him would be better than what the TV show did with him.
What’s different about Rifkin, is that he’s the only Stark child who lost both parents while very young, and never had their guidance and influence. He also experienced a lot of trauma, fear, & loss, & is essentially somewhat “wild” having been away from people, hiding with his wolf. He would be a different kind of Stark as he grew into a man. Would he be a good king? Or would he be so scarred & lacking in guidance and learning, that he would not?
Jon would not attempt yo take the crown from Rickon, were it to come to that. He wouldn’t consider it honorable
Oh man! Just found your channel and love the name! Excited to catch up on your asoiaf content!
Thank you for watching. 💙
The single most important Argument against the Northern Civil War in the Books is the Stark Children themself.
Who we have left are Jon, Sansa, Arya, Bran and Rikkon. Bran will become a Godking of the Old Gods, so very unlikely that he will return in Person.
Jon will most likely survive his assassination attempt by his Brothers. I know, I know his Injuries are proof against it, but we have Bran who survived a Fall from a very high Tower, which he shouldn't have by any means, not to forget that we don't hear that he had a Tube in his Mouth during his Coma, so the fluids which Maester Luwin and Catelyn forced down his Throat should have ended, at least partially, in his Lungs; which would have killed him. So if we can throw out scientific and medical Reasons with Bran at the very start of the Story, we can throw them out of the window with Jon. Don't let me start with Jaime and the loss of his Hand, seriously that Man should be Dead and not depressed! So don't tell me about Jon being Dead, the fact is: if we follow Scientific Reason then Bran should have died in Book One, Catelyn Stark would still be dead, Jaime would be dead, etc. So until we see a Corpse, Jon is alive. Seriously injured and probably in a Coma, but alive!
Sansa will flee from the Vale and return to the North, probably to the Wall, because she knows Jon is there. Arya will return to the North probably after she encounters her Undead Mother in the Riverlands. AND Rikkon will return with Davos.
But how will they recognize each other? Sansa will probably cut her Hair (GRRM has a thing with female Characters losing their Hair when they lose the protection of the Patriarchy) and has still dark Hair when she arrives in Castle Black, furthermore, she will be fourteen. Girls that Age change rapidly so it is unlikely that Jon, Rikkon or Arya will recognize her at first. Arya is probably Eleven or older when she returns, but she was nine when she left Winterfell, same Problem as Sansa she will have changed a lot!
And now Rikkon was 3 at the start of this Series, THREE and is now FIVE. He won't have any Memories, aside from some very vague ideas, of his Family. He probably will know that his Mother had Red Hair and Blue Eyes, why? Because that's what everyone told him and us about her. He will know that his Father has grey Eyes, long dark brown Hair and a Long face, why? Again because that's what we and he are most likely hear from EVERYBODY when they describe Eddard Stark. And now Question: Who fits these Descriptions too?
Jon Snow and Sansa Stark! Rikkon has no other Memories of his Family, other than probably Bran, than what EVERYBODY tells everybody about these Characters. And Rikkon is an abandoned Child, all he wants is his Family back, a Family he doesn't even remember. Even if he has Visions, that doesn't mean he remembers anyone of them. But shaggy Dog will remember them, because of Ghost. So Rikkon will trust his Direwolf and accept Jon and Sansa, when he reunites with his oldest Siblings, I think Sansa's red Hair will have partially grown back and the Color she used to dye her Hair will be outwashed at least partially. So even if some Lords want to honor Robbs Will, the siblings won't let them do that.
By that Time Jon was nearly assassinated by his Nightswatch Borthers, Sansa was used, abused and forced to marry an enemy of her Family and not to mention that her Mothers Family was abusing her too, so none of these 3 will even think of doing something similar to their Siblings. Rikkon as Heir will probably threaten to behead everyone who even thinks of beheading Jon for Deserting the Nightswatch. Also the Nightswatch Brother will most likely tell everyone who wants to hear it that Jon was killed by them and resurrected by the Red Woman, why? It should be obvious they don't want him as their Lord Commander, for goodness sake, they tried to assassinate him, so telling everyone his Watch has ended is the easiest way out for everyone. Also as the Big Brother of the Warden of the North, who will most likely rule in the Wardens Name, they have someone who can help them more, than brooding Lord Commander Jon Snow. So Civil War in the North? Unlikely because of the Siblings desire to find their Home again, their safe and happy Place, which was their childhoodhome at Winterfell. All they want is going back to that Place, which is impossible, but they will find a new Home and start again, with each other.
The lone wolf dies but the pack survives.
Wow. I didn't know this! Thanks for sharing and uploading such a beautiful rendering of the Starks!
Thank you for watching 💙
Another interesting hint from the author: We never got to see the world from Robb Stark's POV. Also, we never got to see the world from Rickon Stark's POV. Arya, Sansa, Jon Snow and Brandon, we have their POVs, but never Robb's or Rickon's... Having read the first five books, I learnt one thing about the Song of Ice and Fire: NOTHING is a coincidence ;)
I'll never forgive D&D for what they did with the "Grand Northern conspiracy" plotline. 🤦🏾♂️ It was one of the most interesting things that happened in ADwD and it's probably gonna big for WoW too 🤔
Such wasted potential 😥
Bro, Rickon is literally 5 years old at this point in the book. All these theories I hear about Rickon fighting or uniting the north are really dumb. He can only be a symbol to rally around at 5 years old. Do you know many 5 or 6 year olds? Most of them can't even speak a full sentence without stuttering their words 20x over. I seriously think people with these kind of theories have only seen the TV show and think Rickon is like 11years old. Also a Stark civil war is even dumber than Rickon fighting along side his wolf on a battlefield. If you think Jon would allow this then you clearly haven't been actually reading the books and don't know Jon at all.
But he will probably come out as a very powerful skinchanger. Yes he's not gonna fight personally, but maybe he could control his direwolf in battle, or maybe even a unicorn since he's been to Skagos or a flock of birds and some other beasts. He could take the role of a beastmaster druid like in dungeons and dragons; imagine if he goes to the north and starts skinchanging into mammoths. This is all speculation of course but I would like to see it
If he survives the conspiracy I think he might become the ‘evil’ Stark. Like he won’t play ball with Jon, Bran, Arya and/or Sansa. He (and his dire wolf which reflects him as a warg) is constantly described as wild and dangerous; plus the whole pack surviving winter when it sticks together is something he never had time to learn since his family basically abandoned him.
HE IS GONNA BE REALLY IMPORTANT AND DIFERENT ON THE BOOKS
He is an important character in TV show as well but Dumb and Dumber know nothing about succession or hostages.
He is the legit heir of house Stark. Not a cripple, not a bastard and not a girl. House Umber giving him the Boltons is stupidest thing ever written. They could easily betroth him with one of the Umber girl and rise against Boltons. They have a legit Stark heir.
And Ramsey killing him, instead of holding as a trump card is even dumber idea. Don't forget his stupid death. No negotiation, no deal and Stupid Sansa easily gave up his brother make me hate her even more.
I agree. All of those actions were just pure idiocy on the part of those Houses. However, the characters of the show can only be as intelligent as the people who write them, sooo.... 😅
I do like the civil war idea. Rickon being the most wolfish of the siblings lends credence to the idea that his cause would be just as wrathful. If Jon becomes the leader they would most likely fall under the rule of Stannis or Danny depending on where it happens in the timeline. This civil war not only being a battle of true blood vs the wishes of their king but it’s a battle for complete independence or safety in peace won at any cost. It’s so sad this story has a genuine chance of never being completed :(
Why would Jon support Stannis or Dany. That happened in the show but it was entirely a contrivance by D&D. In reality, we know Jon rejected Stannis‘ offer, and Robb‘s letter would make Jon a King, not a vassal of Stannis, so if this manages to convince Jon it certainly won‘t convince him to turn against his brother or to kneel to Stannis.
It‘s likely that the succession will ultimately be decided by which way the Northern Lords go, and it‘s very unlikely Jon would insist on his claim if he has to go against them. It‘s possible that different camps might back a different heir, but it‘s extremely unlikely it would come to a war.
@@raylast3873 I think the decision for Jon to not become a Stark yet is because he understood that he would be putting Sansa’s life in major danger at the time. Now Stannis has not only risked his entire force’s life to save his sister “Arya” but he’d have the backing of most Northerners. Maybe I have it the wrong way round though. Maybe Wyman will control Rickon’s claim and that’s the side who backs Stannis while Jon’s side believes in furthering the Rob Stark idea of northerners not kneeling. Somehow his ideals need to line up with the wildlings because it’s going to be a war between them and northern lords.
@@alexiavya722 I mean, Jon is most of all loyal and also ultimately pragmatic. He would want the Starks to work together and get rid of the Boltons. That‘s gonna his priority and if Rickon has serious support no way is Jon going against that, even if his own backing was stronger. He doesn‘t want to fight his own family and would avoid that by all means.
Now, who the Lords will ultimately back is an interesting question. Jon is in every way a more credible candidate especially if you have to fight a war to win the North back (something Robb was very much aware of), so from a purely practical viewpoint the Northern Lords have plenty of reasons to support Jon IF he raises a claim and especially if Robb‘s preference on this question is made public. On the other hand, from Wyman‘s POV, if he has his hands on Rickon then that‘s an option that gets more power to his house, but that‘s assuming they can win the war without Rickon actually doing much. If they have to fight the Boltons in pitched battle and rally as many supporters as possible, it would still make sense to go with Jon.
But we‘ll have to see what Wyman actually does.
No there is a chance but it is so small as to be almost non-existent. The only hope is that George is writing both Winds of Winter and a dream of Summer concurrently and that the editing process is very much required to separate one from the other. Even if George dies before finishing either book there will likely be enough notes and finished content to get a proper conclusion to the series. We WILL see another entry. Whether it's released posthumously or not remains to be seen. At the very, *very* least, we'll get the already written 1100-1200 pages.
They didn't leave Michael Crichtons unfinished books to rot. The family is large, and hungry. They always are. Whomever inherits the rights to GRRMs work will release whatever they have. They'll probably even have the rest ghostwritten.
I had the same thought about there being a northern civil war between Jon and Rickon, but it's hard to imagine Jon taking up and against his cousins. There's also the Flint who encountered Bran on his way north, who may be with Stannis' army now--even if a lord ignored Jon being legitimized, it'd be hard to ignore Bran, as he is older than Rickon. I don't see Rickon himself being critical to fighting the Others--he's just too young. But his tale may end up being a shaggy dog story--a long and winding take that leads nowhere. I suspect he'll play the role of a bit of a red herring for the northern lords and there will be some other resolution to the Northern conspiracies. Your video made me realize that there can't be a single grand northern conspiracy--because Manderly is supporting Rickon and the lords present for the reading of Robb's will would support Jon. Thus Manderly can't be conspiring with the Mormonts et al, because he hasn't been informed of Robb's will.
There would be no chance of any of the Northern lords supporting Jon over Rickon in a civil war.
And you said his ?cousin?
I think you meant brother, 😂😂😂 all good tho I got you fam
@@tylerjamall3886 uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh okay I'm not gonna spoil this for you
@WillowGardener I definitely subscribe to the N + A =J so as far as the books are concerned, Rhaegar same Lyanna are not his parents, Ned is still set and firm as his father, soooo...
Yeah Brother 😂 lol.
@@tylerjamall3886 oh hun. There there.
I'll meet you half way. The will legitimizes Jon. However, it doesn't name an heir, it designates Catelyn to choose an heir. Making Jon legit forces him into the line before going outside the immediate descendants of Ned. This is why her character needed to return. It's not just revenge, she has unfinished business. This is also why she wants Arya or Sansa.
Rickon's narrative is foreshadowed in Sam's backstory by Dickon. It's either brilliant or clumsy, we'll see. To pull from real history, I would suggest a foundation in the Prince John and King Richard of Robinhood. Theon's narrative may also be dropping clues to the basic bones of Rickon's arc.
Theon and Jaime have a weird parallel going on in the bones of their narratives. But it basically revolves around a unrecognizable heir showing up. Age rather than disfigurement will underpin it and why Shaggy needs to be there.
The veiw of Jon by most readers is clouded by their expectations. I don't believe most grasp his real role, they just see a cliche hero. But he's a John not a Richard.
I see two potential problems with this. First is that Rickon is like what? 4-5 years old? Even if he is crowned King he will need someone to take care of his realm before he can rule. In this case, if we also consider how unstable North is right now, there might be space for manipulation of the child. The second one is that there are still characters alive that have witnessed Robb choosing Jon as his heir. These character are also unaware of the fact that Rickon lives so there might actually be two different conspiracies in the North once Jon is resurrected in the books and returns South. One group wants Rickon the other Jon. There might be unwanted clash between them....unwanted, I mean for anyone who loves Starks as much as I do lol :D Regardless, I remember I once read that Dumb and Dumber wanted to exclude Rickon while writing the script for the first season but GRRM told them he had plans for Rickon. So he's definitely important.
I agree. The lords who crown Rickon will have political ambitions of their own. They will try to manipulate Rickon by making themselves his regents, and with that kind of authority, they'll probably also want to oppose anyone who tries to go against Rickon's rule. This does include Jon.
I don't think that people realize how being resurrected from the dead changes a person in this world. Yes, Jon will be resurrected from the dead, but it is going to change his personality tremendously. This might make him forget Rickon and some of his other family members, and this will make it easier for George to justify his desire to be king of the North. This absoltely makes the civil war between him and Rickon possible. It's a plot that I'm most excited for, even though I really love the Starks and don't really want them to fight.😭😭😭
Dumb and Dumber did want to exclude Rickon, and in hindsight they probably should have. They had no idea how to handle his storylin and they just ended up ruining George's intricately planned plot. On the show, the Grand Northern conspiracy isn't even a thing.
BY the time "Winds" happens Rickon will be 11-12 yrs old. Young, but not so young for the GoT world. Kids grow up fast.
@@michaelbayer5094 I agree. People don't understand this for some reason.
@@michaelbayer5094 Eh, I'm not sure about that, unless I have missed something. Rickon was 4 years old when the story started and Dance with Dragons takes place about two years later...so Rickon is about 6...and Winds of Winter is direct continuation of the story...Now, Martin wanted to have a time jump and I think it was also because he wanted Rickon to be of age...but...that was scrapped, wasn't it? Anyway, I always found the idea of 16 years old Robb being followed by men 2-3 times his age into the battle :D or 11 year old Arya killing people.
Rickon wouldn't be the first Stark who has regent.
I’m ready for some Rickon POV chapters
I don't think we'll get POV chapters from a 5 year old. Perhaps through Osha, but not Rickon.
The more I learn about how great the books are and what plans there were for Rickon the angrier I get as to how D &. D produced the tv show and how great it could’ve been. I’m interested in buying and reading the books but I’m not going to read them until the author finishes the last book.
Just read them, but I suggest keep watching you tube videos because it greatly increases your understanding of the text. The 4th and 5th books are quite confusing the 1st time through.
Well, ok. I’ll look into purchasing them. But I’m not going to be on the picket line at 2 above 0 in front of R R Martin’s mansion demanding him to finish Winds of Winter. @@pickettmandi
I just hope he finishes Winds of Winter. I just need something different than the show. Yeah the story won’t be over but at least there will be different plots if that makes sense. What the show did to the books is criminal. The way the show changed characters or left out characters & plots is a joke
There's still his wolfs name lurking over his fate, though I hope it doesn't mean he just gets unceremoniously killed.
And more smth like that he just doesn't become the Lord/King of Winterfell.
The sad thing is we will never know since GRRM is never going to finish the next book.
😭😭😭💔
While the last few seasons of the show weren't as good as the early ones, I think Rickon's story ending abruptly may have been a note from George. A shaggydog story is a long winding tale that ultimately amounts to nothing, and George names Rickon's wolf this within a few pages of the old "wolf killed by a stag" foreshadowing that was very on the nose.
So tired of people thinking Rickon would have survived if he zigzagged. Sansa said it herself. He was dead the moment Ramsey got his hands on him. He was toying with Jon.
Dannerys has the dragons nukes but with warging they can control them
Maybe.
To paraphrase something Ayra said; "Dan and Dave are idiots !".
When the show runners ran out of book material they really showed how bad they are at writing.
Don't forget Sansa has a claim to Winterfell as well which could cause a war between the Vale and the North
Yes, but it will be harder for Sansa. She is a female and also married to a Lannister. The Northerners might not trust her, and they could prefer Jon or Rickon instead.
@@thecriticalmaester9702 the Marriage with Tyrion was unconsumated and can be anulled
@lonemotheomatshaba9640 I don't think that the Northern lords will believe that the lecherous, evil dwarf didn't try to force himself on honourable Ned's Stark's daughter. But who knows, maybe they might.
A sisters claim will never come before her brothers, this isn’t Dorne, no lords would follow Harrold Hardyng if he presses the claim, without seeing it as a blatant attack of ambition
Why the hell would Sansa fight against her family? She‘s a Stark, not a snake.
I think it’s relevant that you omitted that Jon was revealed a warg in Bran 1 when the fire wolves are found.
Pointed something else out.
The wolf will prove the boys identity.
Meanwhile sansas wolf is dead and her identity is in question and aryas wolf if wild and she doesn't know who she is...
I think this is interesting because Theon supposedly killed the two boys but not their wolves when the wolves would have been there.
And this was looked over at the time.
Him dying cuz he wasn’t able to zig zag took me out😭😂
Wouldn't have took you out if you zig zagged.
Rickon is the strongest contender, if a couple of things happen. One, Rob's wife, Jeyne Westerling isn't pregnant (remember, she didn't die in the books and George does nothing coincidentally). Two, the will gets North and is rejected by other Northern lords( Unfortunately, bastards are frowned upon in Westeros). Three, Jon survived, is still human and refuses to dispossess his cousins( Book Jon desires to be lord of Winterfell but doesn't want to take it from Sansa. However lords loyal to Rob's will might push him to). Four, Sansa survives little finger but isn't going along with his plans to marry Harry the heir to make him lord of Winterfell. Five, Bran is found, but has ascended into godhood and has lost all interest in rulling. Six, Stannis doesn't suddenly decide he'd rather be king of the North. My guess is, Rickon will complicate the succession for a while, but he will ultimately die a glorious death. I believe the show succession will be the book succession. Sansa will rule the North, either as regent or in her own right, kinda like Elizabeth 1. Either way, the courtly games have moved North. I can't wait to see it play out in the books, because it's deliciously complicated and full of potential plots and conspiracies.
I cling into the hope that Rickon would be an Aegon V the Unlikely equivalant for the Starks.
What do you think of the Direwolf name theory? where the names of the Direwolves foreshadow the future of their owners. Rickon's Direwolf is named Shaggydog and I have heard that it may be tied into a Shaggydog story, or a story with an underwhelming ending... like the show.
I think that's very interesting, but I don't see how it would apply to some of the wolves. What does Lady's name have to do with her death? What does Nymeria's, or even Grey Wind's? 🤔
@@thecriticalmaester9702 I dont know exaclty there is a number of different theories that all differ.
I believe Lady's name and fate could perhaps show the death of Sansa's idealism of southern nobility and chivalry. Something we are already seeing.
Nymeria, I have heard is foreshadowing Arya's fate as a warrior. Some say it will also foreshadow her leaving Westeros permanently at the end as well.
Grey Wind I have heard foreshadow's Rob going south like a storm before eventually fizzling out. There are others who defend their theories way better then me I am just going off the top of my head.
@@lliamreusser4534 I'll try to check them out, but I'm not convinced yet lol.
@@lliamreusser4534 It's certainly interesting, and I'll check it out, but I'm not entirely convinced that it's true tbh. 🤔
Rickon is a more powerful Greenseer than Bran. He foresaw his father’s death. He opened his third eye naturally without the assistance of the 3-Eyed Raven. I think he is the future going back to his family essence on Skagos.
I don't know if the title of the books is actually referring solely to the dragons. I would argue that it may be about the Lord of Light and the White Walkers, especially with the resurrection of Catelyn Stark, aka Lady Stoneheart, the rise of Stannis Baratheon, and the rise of dragons in the world all happening as the long winter begins.
The fate of each Stark is tied to the name if their wolf. Sansa will be Lady of Winterfell. Arya is a warrior. Jon died and became a Ghost. Bran will bring the end of Winter. Robb was like a wind. And Rickon's story is much ado about nothing, a shaggy dog story.
Robb's reign was as brief as a gust of wind. I could see that being true. But Lady died, so doesn't that mean that Sansa's hopes of ever becoming a lady are dead too?
I like the Bran one. However, I don't think that Rickon's story will be so flimsy or meaningless. I think that Rickon will be a very important character for the next two books... if we ever get those. 🙄
@@thecriticalmaester9702 everyone does eventually.
We won't ever get the books unless someone else writes them after GRRM dies.
Ummm he is clearly the Prince that was Promised
Lol. Wait, who is his Nissa Nissa??? 🤔
@@thecriticalmaester9702 Meera Reed? lol
@@OurHiltsHurt 🤣🤣🤣 I think maybe for Bran, yes, but not Rickon.
@@thecriticalmaester9702 Naw, lol. Bran has got no riz.
@@OurHiltsHurt 🤣🤣🤣
Rickon is there, Sansa is as well nearly in North, Arya is alive, Bran is alive. Jon is legit king made by Robb. Will there be war between Stark kids?
Most probably...
I honestly don't think the siblings themselves would want to fight each other.
John loves Arya and his young brothers so he wouldn't press claims against them.
Arya and Sansa as girls wouldn't get so much support in north. And honestly none of them would want to fight their siblings.
MAYBE Sansa with the Vale's support would try to challenge Jon's claim if he was the king. But none of her trueborn brothers, don't believe that.
So maybe... the other lords would fight in name of the Stark kids, but the siblings themselves wouldn't like to fight each other tbh. They want to be home together finally. No more fighting
@@thecriticalmaester9702Let's hope this whole mess won't turn into the Dance of the Wolves!
@@thecriticalmaester9702 You think there is going to be a Stark civil war? Be honest, have you read the books at all? There is 0 evidence and 0 foreshadowing for this. Everything that has been written shows they all love each other. Sansa has a major change after her fathers death. She even sings for her family's mercy, Jon Snow included. Again there is no evidence there is going to be a Stark Civil war. And with only 2 books left, no more new POV characters according to GRRM, there wouldn't even be time for a Stark civil war. Go read the books again bro.
Now i know its better to read the Book than the actual show that didn't follow whats in the book.
Yes it is. Rickon's storyline is actually one of the plotlines that I'm looking most forward to reading about in The Winds of Winter. 😭
I agree that Rickon is the rallying figurehead for the North. BUT he is a child - five or six years old? He would have no memories of his family, who all changed beyond simple recognition. We don't actually know how much more 'free folk' he is, and how much he was told about his origins. It is possible he had to use a fake name all this time and might not even recognise being 'Rickon Stark'. Shaggydog is absolutely vital in proving his identity and claim. Otherwise we have another 'Young Griff' mistery in our hands.
I also doubt he would play a role in actual war and battles considering he is itty bitty. He might act as a symbol but I cannot see him riding into battle on Shaggy or something.
And I doubt Jon would ever go against his siblings. Especially after refusing Stannis' offer of being Lord Stark. And if he wants the North lead by a adult man to organise defences against the Walkers, he might agree a compromise and become King Regent or Lord Protector. It happened in real history, when there was a boy-king or a Queen, someone would be named Lord Protector to act as the military leader.
If anything, I would sooner bet on Littlefinger using Sansa to claim the North "on Rickon's behalf" and then try to drive a wedge between the siblings. Maybe pushing for Sansa to be the Regent and then trying to takeover?
I would really lough if the 3 sibilings found themselves in cross fire of plots and schemes and agreed without others input to make things work. Rickon would be King in the North. He is Robb's true born brother and if Robb had known he was alive he would've named Rickon his heir ahead of Jon. Jon becomes the Lord Protector and has point in war matters. Sansa takes on the title of Lady of Winterfell. She runs point in management and organisation of the Castle. Together they act as Rickon's co-regents? Of course, there is still room for a strife. Lords who plotted to put Rickon on the throne might want a Regency Council, so they have more power and say. What's the point of a boy-king if you cannot mold him? And there is still the matter of succession. Who is Rickon's heir? He is a boy and it will be many years before he can even try to sire children. Robb wanted to explicitly disinherit Sansa. But things are different now. So, does she come next? Or Jon? And how Arya fits into this?
If onion knight found him and rise him he becomes stannis supporter
I think the name of Rickon’s direwolf says it all.
If you look up with a “shaggy dog” story is, and then look up the name of Rickon’s dire wolf, you’ll realize that Rickon will never be a king or even lord in this story.
Maybe.
lil bro was slashing full grown Freys just because they wouldn’t leave him alone in book 2.
That’s why I love Rickon: he’s fierce. He has the wolf’s blood in him 😭
@@thecriticalmaester9702 I have a theory he’s the reincarnation of Ned’s older brother Brandon. Ned told Arya she had the wolf’s blood but like Lyanna she could control it. Brandon and Rickon can’t. And like Brandon Rickon is impulsive. Brandon died because he let the wolf’s blood control him and went after Aerys which got him killed.
@@TheForbiddenChode I like that theory, but I hope that little Rickon doesn't die in the next book. 😭
Wyman Manderly needs to get way more love than he receives.
Oh, sweet summer child: GRRM will *never* finish the books!
😭😭😭
John renounced all future titles when he took the black. The only way this releases is if the wall comes down, and then he is destined to be king of the seven kingdoms, and Bran is next in line in the north. Rickon is destined to become the most powerful greenseer, akin to Garth the Green, and that is why he is on Skagoes to learn the magic that even Bloodraven does not know.
All I have to say is that the theory about Rickon just being a ‘shaggy dog’ story (as is potentially signalled by his direwolf’s name) better NOT be true 😒 please, *anything* but that ignominious end to his storyline
They really did Rickon dirty on the show.
no mention of the unicorns?
what about the "shaggy dog" trope? his direwolf is literally named shaggydog and the direwolves represent the character and fate of their owners.
lady was killed even though she was just chilling the entire time, which represents what happened to sansa's innocence and childhood upon realizing who the lannisters really are. ghost literally foreshadowed jon getting killed. nymeria was named after the warrior-queen who pretty much built house martell, and this is a direct contrast to the "elegant" direwolf lady, and sansa and arya are pretty obviously projecting their own personalities in their direwolves' names. summer is bran's direwolf, because he is a sweet summer child, and summer ends / dies to make way for (drumroll) "winter" because winter is freaking coming. grey wind, the fiercest and bravest of them all, who is the direwolf of the young king of the north himself robb stark. too bad the bleak name could also be a foreshadowing of robb's death.
and then we get to shaggydog. just fyi, the "shaggy dog" trope is about a character whose arc goes all over, but actually ending in an anti-climax. why would george name rickon's direwolf with such a trope if rickon's arc isn't going to end in a bitter anti-climax? i think rickon's arc would appear to be promising but it'll likely end in a bitter and sad way because george doesn't really do happy endings.
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shaggydog could also mean that rickon is pretty much a feral child, and that he might end up with the wildlings or somewhere deeper in the wild north. that could be his ultimate fate. a sad fate for a stark, out there where nobody knows what happened to him. not unlike benjen stark.
also, the previously planned title of book 7 before it was changed to "a dream of spring" was "a time for wolves". this could also suggest a truly bittersweet ending for the remaining stark children. nymeria's pack of wolves and dogs are going to war, possibly reuniting with arya. ghost might actually guide jon's lost "soul" as he gets "resurrected" or however that actually plays out in the books. we already know that summer and hodor get sacrificed for bran, as confirmed by george himself with the real origin of hodor's name 😭. and finally with rickon, i think shaggydog will really live up to the name and would have an arc that involves going quite feral warg or getting lost somewhere in the wild. but definitely, there's no plain vanilla happy ending for the starks and their direwolves.
Catelyn hates Jon because she thinks he is Ned's son and she knows that Robb is not Ned's but is Brandon's son.
Her first born son with Ned is Bran. That is why he is her favorite and most protected by her. Jon is a threat to Bran's claim to be the head of House Stark to her.
With Bran hanging out in a tree, Rickon becomes the heir. But there is still Jon in her mind as Ned's first born son.
Really pay attention to the wording she uses in her head when thinking about Robb and his relationship to Ned.
No one ever wants a child king. If they had any sense they’d back Jon, regardless of Robby’s wishes. But in any case, it’s all a moot point as we’ll never see the book published.
True, though I must pushback on your former point. Some people might prefer a child king if that child king is more tractable. Long-sighted, ambitious lords might prefer to serve as regents in the time being, influencing the affairs of a kingdom through the power vested on them by/through the child king. Such lords could set themselves up for much success by doing that; so I have to push back on that point. But, as you said, we'll see how everything turns out when the books are released... if they are ever released that is.
@@thecriticalmaester9702 that’s true. Perhaps I ought to have said ‘the general serfs, plebs, common folk don’t want a child king. Nor does anyone who wants stability’. Power hungry lords are ever the issue. Sadly such people are rife no matter what world or time they live in, real or fictional. I say Pitchforks at Dawn! I’d probably be hung as a malcontent or witch or something 🤷♀️🫠 so a child king would be the least of my worries.
I remember see him after so many season and I totally forgot about Rickon like they push him aside and only brought him back to kill him off and you tell me not only he was the heir to the north that in the book he had power like Brian to and I have no doubt that if Rickon knew Jon was alive he won't wage war on him, he actually Jon as brother so he won't care about the crown and catelyn oh course her bitch ass don't want Jon those I have no doubt if she was with Rickon, she would tell him fight Jon for the crew but know Jon he would give up his heir cause he don't want fight his brother
Yeah, D&D really messed up Rickon's character. I read that they actually wanted to exclude him from the story entirely, but George RR Martin insisted, saying that he had 'big plans' for Rickon. So they kept him. Now, to your other point...
I wouldn't be so sure about there not being a war between Jon and Rickon. I mean, I get what you're saying, but also, let's not forget, that the characters in the book are very different from the show. Rickon has been in Skagos for a long time, raised by cannibals and a wildling girl, and he probably feels very abandoned and angry. Jon is not a goody-two-shoes in the books and is much more morally grey. We also don't know how his resurrection might change him, because in the books resurrections have consequences. Resurrections can cause gaps in a person's memory and can result in personality changes. So we don't know how this will manifest with Jon. Jon might not even remember Rickon and that could fuel Rickon's feelings of abandonment and rage. Sounds like a recipe for a conflict between the two brothers to me.
@@thecriticalmaester9702wow in the book that sound fucking awesome, I remember to that after season 4 or 5 I forgot which season that the writes stop list to George PR and start to do their own thing so no wonder the character different from the book and I would love see animation of the game of throne of the book and you tell me the resurrections change people that would be awesome like they brought back Jon but he different and he hate his family or don't help them and damn poor Richon
When the iron born attacked winterfell the obvious conclusion everyone came to was to split the blood line..take bran twards the wall and recon to the sea..if that was the safest way for the bloood line to live why was danny and her brother not split? If one person attacked both would die...maybe dannys brother was a fake because everytime a dornish bore a targareyn son thry had black hair..the only thing that makes me doubt griffs claim is the word play behind his name..
If the importance of a character goes unnoticed and requires subsequent media treatment to point it out - either it was actually not so important to the main storyline after all, or only important in a limited way or someone simply didn’t do their job of communicating it properly in the first place. Further: what goes unnoticed cannot create a mystery, because, tadaah, it went unnoticed. If you look back and in retrospect wonder why something was even there in the first place, that’s not a story mystery, that’s just wondering what the fuck went wrong for the writer in terms of meaningfully using what was laid out on the table for storytelling or at least communicating some sense of how the apparent lack of significance might be the key to something bigger.
I believe he's going to be John's vessel. Bran can possesse people why can't John?
Jon could become his regent and hand
What if he becomes 2nd Theon Stark when he comes to age and support stannis claim after his death and help stannis daughter or die in that attempt by jon snow it will be great
i keep saying it but Benjen Stark is a better candidate as his heir. everone forgets about him like Prince Rickon.
Rickon's name is shaggydog, which means a long complicated story with an unimportant anticlimatic end.
Rickon is going to die, and Davos will live. (Davos has a tendency to survive impossible things)
Well, we will have the Dreadfort empty if northern conspiracy succeeds as no one will leave the Bolton blood passing on and someone can take the fort. They can make Rickon Stark Lord of Dreadfort - a perfect irony and Jon Snow (IF he is resurrected back to life AND is not a son of Rhaegar and Lyanna but really Eddard's bastard) to be the Lord of Winterfell and King in the North. Else, northerners can simply exchange the holdings and titles of Jon and Rickon
Is it too on the nose to think that because of brans path to becoming one eyed raven, Summer will die.. and that’ll signify that winter is finally here. The end game so to speak
He said one eyed crow and I can't say he is wrong. Come on bran, dont
god, when i read the books, i mustve read them with my ass or some shit, bc i legit cant remember some of these important events. oh well, time to pick em up again i suppose!
What if like aegon and rhaenyra had a ‘dance of the dragons’ .. rickon and Jon have a ‘dance old the wolves’ in a civil war for the north? 😂😂😂😂 just a funny thought
his Direwolf's name means he's not important. His story will just be a "better nate than lever" joke similar to Quentyn Martell. I'm sorry you've put so much effort into something that seems already settled.
the dire wolf died by the stag. The stag didnt kill the entire family tho.... big mistake. The surviving wolves were able to take vengence. tada.. the entire show in a nutshell. I must read the books .... I need the richness of the charaters.
Reckon is too young to be king and Jon is into fight a war against his baby brother to rules the north
He might be too young, but there are some lords that wouldn't mind that. A young king is easier to control and influence, and a lord could increase their own power over the North by being Rickon's regent.
One eyed crow??
I think his death was pretty climactic
Rickon Stark was wasted in the television series, and he deserved better and such a shame he was killed off. Something could have gone on between Rickon and Osha. I believe Rickon's death at the hands of Ramsay Bolton was done to motivate dumb Jon Snow to fight back against Ramsay Bolton. If Rickon hadn't died and if Jon Snow had been exposed as a Targaryen, Rickon could have challenged him as King of the North.
Who will finish the books for George?
Brandon Sanderson. Give him a month. :p
He's important because you want him to be lol
*George RR Martin when D&D wanted to remove Rickon's character from the story entirely:* No. I have big plans for Rickon.
@@thecriticalmaester9702 That's literally the worst example you could've countered with. D&D took what GRRM told them and said, you know what, not really tho?.
You say all Stark kids warg into Direwolves... Sansa? Please elaborate.
Except for Sansa, lol. But who knows? The books aren't done yet. Maybe Sansa will warg into Littlefinger or something in the future 😅🤷♂
@@thecriticalmaester9702 But we don't know and her Dire Wolf is dead. So good luck warging into her :D
Um, it's possible that Rickon will become a very important character in the books, but I don't see any real signs in the text that this will happen. What we're shown is that Rickon was growing increasingly feral and less socialized as time went on... not traits that lead to someone becoming a good ruler. And he seems to be getting progressively less important to the plot as time goes on. not more important. Not hatin', just sayin'.
Of course, this assumes that ASOIAF will ever be finished, which seems unlikely now.
Rickon is as important as nipples in an armour
Speaking way to close to mic
How is Rickon going to unite the north or help against the others? Dude's like 4 years old...🤣🤣🤣
Younger rulers tend to be used by their older, more experienced regents to unite kingdoms and get things done. I don't see why things would be different with Rickon. 🤷♂
My theory on Rickon is this: he will die, soon. (Nothing new). But his link with his wolf is the important think to be aware. The name of the wolf only points the fate of the owner. Rickon will die, but he will warg into his wolf. In his wolf’s body will be were Rikkon will be esencial.
If you tel me. I would revive Jon but kill Ghost, I would keep Rickon dead but Shaggy Dog alive, beside Jon. That would be EPIC.
This is my least favorite fan fiction I’ve ever read
I feel like you didn’t say anything insightful or thought provoking. Rickon has a dire wolf. That’s all?
Did you watch the video through the end??? 🤔 The direwolves are important for fighting the white walkers and for uniting the north for that fight. Rickon will probably be the Stark that the northerners use to do that, since he is the only legitimate son of Ned Stark that's left - at least the only one who's a male and who still has his legs. Therefore, he'll be important for the future instalments of the series.
he is nothing, his dire wolf shaggy dog refers to story char who mean nothing
He’s not important…. At all in the show at least lol
Aww. Youre new to this. Rickon is going no where. & for yet another bafoon, zig zagging was not going to save rickon!
Sansa doesn't have warg abilities that ive ever read