Loving the old world battle reports Christos! Your hilarious commentary, a camera angle where I can actually see the models on the tabletop instead of a top down wide shot and all around chill play versus competitive. Great vibes!
Honestly some of the finest batreps exist on this channel. The vibe mirrors tabletop tactics so well, wonderful peeps enjoying what they love. My hero.
@@rogueelementgaming Even better, the Slayers of Legend get to apply their upgraded "Slayer of *" and (maybe) their Killing Blow rule. A Dragonslayer or Daemonslayer can actually pump out some decent damage against monsters just by dying to them, provided they don't have great armour.
@@rogueelementgaming Probably trapped their beards in the firing mechanisms while desperately scrambling to get that one last shot off into the back of the fleeing Lamassu!
A lovely Grudge match with a lot of drama that really helped show the differences between the two factions spoiler free zone: slight rules note for 1:58:15 : stomps & thunderstomps (the latter having AP -2 against most targets, p.196) always happen at initiative 1 (p. 177), since the damage of each initiative step is simultaneous, so Borek could have hit back with his great weapon and, perhaps, go down in a slightly more glorious way! (p. 146).
Almost forgot, when the Lamasu is behind the infantry unit of chaos dwarfs it can not be targeted by the cannon. Check FAQ page 10. It states you can not place the shot in a way it would hit a unit friend or foe who are in combat.
Runesmiths can't dispel while in combat. Cannon has to trace LOS to the initial point you pick, and it can't shoot such way, to hit units in combat. Yes, that's how bad it is. Only one challenge per combat.
Runesmiths and lords are just not worth it, they maybe have a place in a Royal Clan list now that they can be the BSB but even then I'd rather take a gun-thane as my BSB.
Bugger, I totally forgot about no dispell in combat. I feel like that should be changed for dwarfs. Miss play on the cannon for sure. I don't know what I was thinking allowing that second challenge! Brain fart.
Great stuff, very fun batrep. Good to see the Chaos dwarves crushed - my own dwarves have a battle against them (much like you, for the first time!) next week. Here, get Boric some pals to bear him aloft on a shield!! 3 extra wounds for 60 points is great. I think the Master Rune of Smiting is the right choice also - if you don't roll completely crap!
for a second I thought yuou'd actually converted ginger mohawks onto the old cannon crew and put them in the front rank of the slayer unit. I really thought I saw the cannon tools in their hands. if I do take up this game with a dwarf army that'll definitely become my policy.
Fun battle report! A few things already mentioned by others but also noticed you applied cover to a larger target. You don't apply cover modifiers when targeting models that are large target e.g. Hellcannon
About that cannon shooting, you can never shoot in a way that risks hitting a unit in combat. (as if cannons needed it) Can a cannon be shot in such a way as to hit an enemy unit that is engaged in combat with a friendly unit? No. Page 143 of the rulebook makes it clear that, except in rare cases, units cannot shoot enemy units that are engaged in combat. In the case of cannon, this means the target point cannot be placed in such a way as to risk the cannonball hitting a friendly unit, or an enemy unit engaged in combat with a friendly unit. Source: Official Warhammer: The Old World FAQ & Errata - Version 1.2 The challenge between BSBs was still ongoing so no other challenges could have been declared: To The Death! pg 211 If both participants in a challenge survive the round of combat, and if the combat continues into the next player's turn, the challenge will also continue. Further challenges cannot be issued in that combat until the existing challenge has been resolved. Don't worry about taking things a bit slower and checking units and weapons rules, combat results and the numbers of the rolls. It is nice to play fast, but it is also a bit of a pity when a combat is decided one way when it should have gone the other way just because you missed one rule (and tow has a dense rulebook).
Yep, both these things were miss played. Woops! I don't think the combat would have gone drastically different however. Thanks heaps for the detailed rules corrections and the page references! 😀
Oh and you can use Look Out Sir! against the Curse of Hashut. But you probably would have fumbled that 2+ as well ;) And the Dreadquake still has to roll for reloading even with the Ogre Loader.
I also use tons of Age of Sigmar and third party models. Not a fan of the game itself but there is so much kitbashing potential and many beautiful models. Stoss your lord looks absolutely amazing lol. Happy to see the two Dwarf factions heal the schism with bloodshed. GG
Love the intro. Where did you get the ruined dwarven statue heads? Love those. Will have to find some STLs and fire up my 3D printers. We love the way you set up/place your terrain and are doing the same for the videos we are putting on our channel. Again, great game. Cheers
Thanks mate! What's your channel? I'll check it out. I got the dwarf heads from here: www.etsy.com/au/listing/1507199960/3d-printed-fallen-dwarf-statue-heads?click_key=d35617fbbe75a9a1846613e2adff88e16c5
Fun stuff. You cooked those ward save rolls too long. All your anxiety was transferred into the dice and guarunteed the ones. (For the love of Pete, Ancestral Grudge. The whole game result is thrown without those.)
When Slayers die, they benefit from the slayer rule meaning they still wound on a 4+ against targets regardless of toughness. I think you also forgot the outnumber combat resolution aswell. The dwarfs wouldve likely double outnumbered the infernal guard and lammasu on that first combat with both, so even with 1 combat res from outnukber would've caused them to likely panic Good battle report though. Keep it up :)
Very nice battle report, thanks for that! I know it’s Rules as Written, but in case of a Great Weapon with runes there’s an argument to be made that Sorcerous Miasma turns that into a mundane great weapon, not hand weapon.
Falling back is two dice and pick the highest ( not both). Also panic is only caused by units 5+ unit strength dying . Still , who cares? Great battle report
The sorcerer couldn't have aided the Hellcannon with his infernal engineer rule, as it is not a war machine, it is indeed a monster 🤷🏼♂️ Same way he cannot help an Iron Daemon cause it's a chariot.
Thanks mate! Here ya go! www.etsy.com/au/listing/1507199960/3d-printed-fallen-dwarf-statue-heads?click_key=d35617fbbe75a9a1846613e2adff88e16c5af803%3A1507199960&click_sum=8c083e2e&ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=dwarf+terrain&ref=sr_gallery-2-31&organic_search_click=1&content_source=e4c19fc528196305535aa556d8357aa65e8df04e%253A1507199960
Great job with the base adapters. I don't like the look, but I have full sympathy for not wanting to rebase a finished army, especially if you still play 6th ed! I've given up on my chances to play 6ths, everyone I know want to play Old World and I figured we could just as easily play 6th with larger bases if it ever happens
Wonderful! Was hoping for a new one today - been starving for good WHFB content.. ;) And slowly getting back into it, painting, after taking a break for a few months..
Not planning on leaving 6th Edition at this stage mate. I still have people keen to play it with me. I have a game of 6th booked in for September in fact!
That roll at 30min is dirty, centre target face up, straight roll down the finger, better statisical roll to just roll the 4 sides of the die (if the die still rolls square and doesn't deviate...)
@@rogueelementgaming You tell me mate... if someone roll their dice in a way (intentionally or not) that eliminates 2 sides of a die, where the best result is cut from 1/6 to 1/4, wouldn't you look at it with slightly squinty eyes? Watch all those scatter rolls at 1/4 speed, they roll straight on that axis that allows the roll for a dead on hit to be 1/4 chance... not all but a lot...
As someone who despises dwarves in every genre and every game this is great. I have banned them in D&D and all rpgs. Dwarfs killing drawrfs a HUGE win win.
So I watched all the ToW batreps and read through the rules and don't think it's anywhere near as good as 6th edition. Things I'm not liking - 1) Magic system is silly and dispelling is weird 2) Pre-measuring ranges takes away a lot of fun and skill 3) Random charge ranges no thanks 4) Everything seems to have a ward save 5) Linehammer lol 6) Allowing 50% on characters encourages lots of Lords riding monsters 7) Seperating AP from Strength and proccing on a 6 seems needlessly complicated and slows things down 8) Push back and fall back in order. Again needlessly complicates things and makes it much harder to destroy units. Losing a combat and failing break test should have consequences They have added lots of complications, exceptions and rules just to deal with other rules they added and does not seem as free flowing and simple as 6th edition. I hope you do more 6th edition batreps, I think they are more entertaining and fun!
Loving the old world battle reports Christos! Your hilarious commentary, a camera angle where I can actually see the models on the tabletop instead of a top down wide shot and all around chill play versus competitive. Great vibes!
6:17 😂🤣 Love your idea to send the old cannon crew away to become shame-filled Slayers.
@@elmo1234 “you have failed me for the last time…”
Loving the new narrative intro into battle
Thanks mate! It takes a little extra effort, but I've been enjoying putting them together. Glad you like it!
@@rogueelementgaming It sure looks ace!
Thanks for having me again man! Sorry about your *spoiler* but he looked at me Lamassu funny.
Most welcome mate. A pleasure to roll dice with you as always!
I don't think I've ever seen dice roll so cold...damn. Great report as usual!
Dice as cold as ice mate. Glad you enjoyed it James!
Greetings from Lothern,
I am just dropping by to say that regardless of which army loses this battle, the world will be a better place.
Thats going in the book!
Elgi cannot grow beards to shave, which is why they cannot feel shame.
@@jtrain9926 Panzees and stunties bashing´ lol
Honestly some of the finest batreps exist on this channel. The vibe mirrors tabletop tactics so well, wonderful peeps enjoying what they love. My hero.
Thanks so much mate! I'm a huge fan of Tabletop Tactics. Being compared to them is super high praise in my book. I miss Bone!
@@rogueelementgaming bone was/is a legend. No one can mimic the great unclean one as well as he could!
Awesome video, really enjoyed it while I was preparing my end of year dinner for the family! happy new year and continue the good job!
Happy new year!!
Was so excited to see a second battle video so soon after the last one, cheers!!!
Honestly, your intro makes me want to play this game!
If I open TH-cam and I see you have posted a new battle report you made my day! Thanks for sharing!!!
Most welcome mate! Glad you enjoy the content.
Great battle report! Just a note: deathblow hits from the slayers benefit from the Slayer special rule, so never wound worse than 4+!
Yep, learnt this after the game. It makes the rule SO MUCH BETTER!
@@rogueelementgaming Even better, the Slayers of Legend get to apply their upgraded "Slayer of *" and (maybe) their Killing Blow rule. A Dragonslayer or Daemonslayer can actually pump out some decent damage against monsters just by dying to them, provided they don't have great armour.
Dwarf shooting at the end of the game was hilarious! Love it!
🤣😂😥😢😭
@@rogueelementgaming Probably trapped their beards in the firing mechanisms while desperately scrambling to get that one last shot off into the back of the fleeing Lamassu!
Such an awesome narrative battle intro !! Love it!
Thanks mate! 😁
Great battle report as always (still the best on TH-cam) and also great to get two in such quick succession! Hopefully another one in the works
Superb report guys!! And beautiful armies. Gotta love how splendidly outlandish the Chaos Dwarves are.
A lovely Grudge match with a lot of drama that really helped show the differences between the two factions
spoiler free zone:
slight rules note for 1:58:15 : stomps & thunderstomps (the latter having AP -2 against most targets, p.196) always happen at initiative 1 (p. 177), since the damage of each initiative step is simultaneous, so Borek could have hit back with his great weapon and, perhaps, go down in a slightly more glorious way! (p. 146).
Really enjoying the TOW content. Keep up the good work! Opening narratives are a great recent addition
Thanks mate! Stoked you like the new narrative!
Want to share how much i enjoy your battreps. Keep em coming, pages upon pages of reckoning left in the kron!
Glad you like them!
Stos rocking the decked out warriors with full kit and drilled, and smiting lord
The ward save of the dwarf general were too fun!
😭😭
Omg this intro is the best! ❤
Thanks Melly! 😁
Deathblow is wounds on 4+ at worst, as per the FAQ
Bugger! That makes that rule WAY better. Good to know. Thanks mate!
I came here to say this, as a Dawi I was crying into my beard lol
And the impact hits from the Bull Centaurs are only S4
Ooh I like the intro - very nicely done & narrative flavour😃👍
Thank you 😊 🙏
Love the new narrative intros. Go go Chorfs!
52:00 I think you say wounding on 6s slayers even in death wound always at +4 minimum
Love your content and that is a lovely army you have there
Thanks mate! Yeah, found this out after the game. Woops!
Almost forgot, when the Lamasu is behind the infantry unit of chaos dwarfs it can not be targeted by the cannon. Check FAQ page 10. It states you can not place the shot in a way it would hit a unit friend or foe who are in combat.
Yep, this was miss played. Woops!
@@rogueelementgaming Happens to the best of us, in my experience it is best to drink the bugmans after the game. But sometimes we can't help it! 🤣🤣
Runesmiths can't dispel while in combat.
Cannon has to trace LOS to the initial point you pick, and it can't shoot such way, to hit units in combat. Yes, that's how bad it is.
Only one challenge per combat.
Runesmiths and lords are just not worth it, they maybe have a place in a Royal Clan list now that they can be the BSB but even then I'd rather take a gun-thane as my BSB.
Bugger, I totally forgot about no dispell in combat. I feel like that should be changed for dwarfs. Miss play on the cannon for sure. I don't know what I was thinking allowing that second challenge! Brain fart.
Fate said no to spoiler's continued existence, maybe the Ancestors will receive him with open arms
Great Batrep as always! Btw, oathstone makes you automatically pass any panic test needed. Keep it up!
Dwarfs vs Chorfs! Sounds like a black powder extravaganza!
Great stuff, very fun batrep. Good to see the Chaos dwarves crushed - my own dwarves have a battle against them (much like you, for the first time!) next week.
Here, get Boric some pals to bear him aloft on a shield!! 3 extra wounds for 60 points is great. I think the Master Rune of Smiting is the right choice also - if you don't roll completely crap!
When Stos uploads, things are bound to be good!
Incredible battle report guys, been looking for some good OW BRs as I consider how to get into it.
Cheers!
Thanks so much mate! What factions are you leaning towards?
Greeeeeeat Game!! When something mis a lot (as the dwarf cannon did) in Spain its said "falla más que una escopeta de feria!" 😂🤘
Great report as always but mate, that narrative intro was awesome!
Thanks so much mate! Glad you liked the extra effort.
Very interesting Fight, I don´t know I see the Chaos Dwarves in Combat before.................. However Thanks a Lot for the great Show
Always a good day when you release a video!
What a match! As always man thanks for the awesome video!
Glad you enjoyed!
My favorite battle reports!😊
This is so entertaining. Keep it up!
Thanks, will do!
I've been trying to get a friend into The Old World. Turns out, he's already been eyeing up the Chaos Dwarves.
for a second I thought yuou'd actually converted ginger mohawks onto the old cannon crew and put them in the front rank of the slayer unit. I really thought I saw the cannon tools in their hands.
if I do take up this game with a dwarf army that'll definitely become my policy.
Fun battle report! A few things already mentioned by others but also noticed you applied cover to a larger target. You don't apply cover modifiers when targeting models that are large target e.g. Hellcannon
Good catch! Cheers.
I think dawi zharr sabouters may have added warpstone to the resin when they were making those dwarven dice.
That little intro narration was fuckin mad
Cheers mate, glad you like it! 😁
I am sooooo excited about the new dwarf stuff
Poor Boric forgot that he hates enemy characters and thus could reroll those 4 misses in the challenge! 😢
Wouldn't have been the first round of combat. I did forget it for Thane Thorin though. 😭
About that cannon shooting, you can never shoot in a way that risks hitting a unit in combat. (as if cannons needed it)
Can a cannon be shot in such a way as to hit an enemy unit that is engaged in combat with a friendly unit?
No. Page 143 of the rulebook makes it clear that, except in rare cases, units cannot shoot enemy units that are engaged in combat. In the case of cannon, this means the target point cannot be placed in such a way as to risk the cannonball hitting a friendly unit, or an enemy unit engaged in combat with a friendly unit.
Source: Official Warhammer: The Old World FAQ & Errata - Version 1.2
The challenge between BSBs was still ongoing so no other challenges could have been declared:
To The Death! pg 211
If both participants in a challenge survive the round of combat, and if the combat continues into the next player's turn, the challenge will also continue. Further challenges cannot be issued in that combat until the existing challenge has been resolved.
Don't worry about taking things a bit slower and checking units and weapons rules, combat results and the numbers of the rolls. It is nice to play fast, but it is also a bit of a pity when a combat is decided one way when it should have gone the other way just because you missed one rule (and tow has a dense rulebook).
Yep, both these things were miss played. Woops! I don't think the combat would have gone drastically different however. Thanks heaps for the detailed rules corrections and the page references! 😀
Now we can perhaps see why GW dropped Chaos Dwarfs from WHFB. All the fighting prowess of normal Dwarfs, plus great artillery, PLUS magic.
1. Blunderbusses DO suffer a -1 to hit for moving and shooting
2. Panic test only needed if MORE than 25% casualties (28:10)
Oh and you can use Look Out Sir! against the Curse of Hashut. But you probably would have fumbled that 2+ as well ;)
And the Dreadquake still has to roll for reloading even with the Ogre Loader.
Dawi on dawi violence
Great game!
Blunderbussiers do get -1 for moving and shooting. Lammasu must have a targeted unit in his vision arc to cast ramparts (turn 1 cast).
Great report as always. Just an FYI deathblow from the slayers also has the slayer rule, so you never need worse than a 4+ to wound
Chaos* other than the misspelling in the title, great vid and battle report! :)
Woops! All fixed. Thanks 😁
@@rogueelementgaming :)
I also use tons of Age of Sigmar and third party models. Not a fan of the game itself but there is so much kitbashing potential and many beautiful models. Stoss your lord looks absolutely amazing lol. Happy to see the two Dwarf factions heal the schism with bloodshed. GG
Love the intro. Where did you get the ruined dwarven statue heads? Love those. Will have to find some STLs and fire up my 3D printers.
We love the way you set up/place your terrain and are doing the same for the videos we are putting on our channel.
Again, great game.
Cheers
Thanks mate! What's your channel? I'll check it out.
I got the dwarf heads from here:
www.etsy.com/au/listing/1507199960/3d-printed-fallen-dwarf-statue-heads?click_key=d35617fbbe75a9a1846613e2adff88e16c5
@@rogueelementgaming A buddy of mine and I have a small channel called @CathedralMinis
Thanks for the link to the statue heads.
Dwarves vs heretic Dwarves? Oh hell yeah!
Fun stuff. You cooked those ward save rolls too long. All your anxiety was transferred into the dice and guarunteed the ones. (For the love of Pete, Ancestral Grudge. The whole game result is thrown without those.)
Chorf MVP was the damn banner!
The Slayer deathblow also always wounds on 4+, the latest errata stated as much.
Otherwise, good game
Yeah, missed that one. Woops.
When Slayers die, they benefit from the slayer rule meaning they still wound on a 4+ against targets regardless of toughness.
I think you also forgot the outnumber combat resolution aswell. The dwarfs wouldve likely double outnumbered the infernal guard and lammasu on that first combat with both, so even with 1 combat res from outnukber would've caused them to likely panic
Good battle report though. Keep it up :)
Best Old World bat reps around.
High praise mate, thank you! 😊
Very nice battle report, thanks for that!
I know it’s Rules as Written, but in case of a Great Weapon with runes there’s an argument to be made that Sorcerous Miasma turns that into a mundane great weapon, not hand weapon.
I thought the same, but as you say, rules as written.
Hi! Can you tell me how you painted the hell canon? The paints or steps? Thanks!
Falling back is two dice and pick the highest ( not both). Also panic is only caused by units 5+ unit strength dying . Still , who cares? Great battle report
The sorcerer couldn't have aided the Hellcannon with his infernal engineer rule, as it is not a war machine, it is indeed a monster 🤷🏼♂️ Same way he cannot help an Iron Daemon cause it's a chariot.
Oof. Seems a bit rough.
From which Company came this amazing dwarfen terrain in the background?
www.etsy.com/au/listing/1507199960/3d-printed-fallen-dwarf-statue-heads?click_key=d35617fbbe75a9a1846613e2adff88e16c5
FOR THE KARAZ ANKOR!
Great battle report
Love your Shirt 😍 - Greetings from Germany
Thanks mate! Salute from Australia!
aww great timing m8,, just got my delivery of hammerers and ironbreakers to assemble...
Very nice mate. Enjoy some beard on beard action! 😉
The dawi march to war
Khazukan Khazakit ha!
I'm pretty sure that they faq'd deathblow to apply the slayer rule. So you wound on 4+
Loved it!! Where is that terrain from, the dwarven heads?
Thanks mate!
Here ya go! www.etsy.com/au/listing/1507199960/3d-printed-fallen-dwarf-statue-heads?click_key=d35617fbbe75a9a1846613e2adff88e16c5af803%3A1507199960&click_sum=8c083e2e&ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=dwarf+terrain&ref=sr_gallery-2-31&organic_search_click=1&content_source=e4c19fc528196305535aa556d8357aa65e8df04e%253A1507199960
Deathblows do get the slayer rule to wound on 4+
Great job with the base adapters. I don't like the look, but I have full sympathy for not wanting to rebase a finished army, especially if you still play 6th ed! I've given up on my chances to play 6ths, everyone I know want to play Old World and I figured we could just as easily play 6th with larger bases if it ever happens
Love me some old world
Good game! How are you currently feeling about Old World compared to 6th edition?
so cool, dwarfs are so strong in this edition.
but why didn´t the bulls direct some hits to the slaayerchampion??
An oversight for sure.
Cool! Where did you get your warhammer posters on the wall mate?
Facebook market place mate.
Love your channel. I don’t see the option the become channel member in Canada so maybe patreon could be an option?
How very strange. There should just be a JOIN button on the home page or under the video.
You should just house rule that units flee straight backwards from combat. Bit silly to go sideways.
Yeah, it feels wrong.
Cool armies
I do love me some dwarf on dwarf action...and not in the way you are all thinking about!
OOooo Its dwarf on dwarf action baby!!!
KAZOOOOOK!
Wonderful! Was hoping for a new one today - been starving for good WHFB content.. ;) And slowly getting back into it, painting, after taking a break for a few months..
Those 1s on the 2´save.. lol, of course.. Did that old cannon crew become Runesmiths I wonder?
What movement tray adapters are those?
One of my regular guests Damon designed and 3D printed them for me.
Just wondering if you've left 6th ed fantasy begins now in favour of this Oldworld game?
Not planning on leaving 6th Edition at this stage mate. I still have people keen to play it with me. I have a game of 6th booked in for September in fact!
@@rogueelementgaming Phew. I was getting worried for a bit there
Do you already know which arms you want to play first?
I'm pretty keen on the Royal Clans.
Well I was gonna go to bed but that can wait 2 hours right??
Right?!
No hill for stos! is this a bad omen? only one way to find out
In r2 chaos should stay and made charge in r3 to slayer
YAAAY!!! 😄
😎😎
Boric and his mundane hand weapon? @1:49
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That roll at 30min is dirty, centre target face up, straight roll down the finger, better statisical roll to just roll the 4 sides of the die (if the die still rolls square and doesn't deviate...)
44min too
1.14.45 isn't necessarily clean either but deviates
Got a bee in your bonnet about how people roll dice aye?
@@rogueelementgaming You tell me mate... if someone roll their dice in a way (intentionally or not) that eliminates 2 sides of a die, where the best result is cut from 1/6 to 1/4, wouldn't you look at it with slightly squinty eyes? Watch all those scatter rolls at 1/4 speed, they roll straight on that axis that allows the roll for a dead on hit to be 1/4 chance... not all but a lot...
As someone who despises dwarves in every genre and every game this is great. I have banned them in D&D and all rpgs.
Dwarfs killing drawrfs a HUGE win win.
BOOK! 📖
So I watched all the ToW batreps and read through the rules and don't think it's anywhere near as good as 6th edition. Things I'm not liking -
1) Magic system is silly and dispelling is weird
2) Pre-measuring ranges takes away a lot of fun and skill
3) Random charge ranges no thanks
4) Everything seems to have a ward save
5) Linehammer lol
6) Allowing 50% on characters encourages lots of Lords riding monsters
7) Seperating AP from Strength and proccing on a 6 seems needlessly complicated and slows things down
8) Push back and fall back in order. Again needlessly complicates things and makes it much harder to destroy units. Losing a combat and failing break test should have consequences
They have added lots of complications, exceptions and rules just to deal with other rules they added and does not seem as free flowing and simple as 6th edition. I hope you do more 6th edition batreps, I think they are more entertaining and fun!
doing \m/ every 4 seconds is pretty yikes.
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