It clearly states that heal and resurrection are two different effects. Healing occurs to models that are not slain, while resurrection raises slain models. Zombies can be resurrected beyond their starting size. So when you use Invocation on them, they increase their size. They do not need to be wounded already.
I would say it "clearly" needs an FAQ, as the rule is worded that you are replacing your models that have already been slain. GW was unclear in their wording. Does "resurrecting the fallen" refer to your models who have been killed, or the fallen of the warhammer universe at large?
Another EPIC battle, with the one and only Mattey Beee!! Also what a legend he is who gifted the Empire army! Dark Omen was truly a great game, so far ahead of its time!
Inner Circle Knights actually have Full Plate Armour by default, so with with a shield and barding, they'd have 2+ saves. Fantastic battle report, loving your TOW content, especially how much passion and narrative you lend to even the simplest of rolls. Reminds me of what I get passionate about with wargaming, not just smashing spreadsheets into each other.
you are correct at 2:12:30 . Unless specified otherwise, the target of a spell needs to be in your vision arc (p. 108). Characters on their own that are infantry or cavalry are Lone Characters (p. 206 core), which are considered to be in skirmish formation (p.205 core), so "every arc counts as front arc" (p. 184 core). It's not exactly the easiest to digest, but you came to the right conclusion.
Ah the Chronicles of Countess Isabella Von Liberhurtz, the untold tales lost to time when her journal was sealed away from prying eyes, some say burned, some say it resides in the vaults of the college of magic, some deny its very existence. What things she saw, what perils she faced, one can only speculate.. perhaps the historian Stos will uncover further crumbs of her ordeals as he explores the histories of The Old World.
This is brilliant! But Allor was an Amber wizard! So great to see the Empire back on the table, give us a 6th Ed report next Stos, cant wait to see some detachment action!
Very enjoyable, if you use the grudge bringers again you should bring an ally detachment of dwarfs. I forget the dwarf characters name from shadow of the horned rat, but it would be fun to see some dwarf quarrellers and warriors in support. Just remember in a 2000 point game you can have up to 500 of that on allies, just means you might have a little bit more spent on core units than usual (500 in your main army and 125 in the ally contingent).
This was one of my favorite games on your channel so far! You and Matty B did so well to compliment each other's ups and downs, being such amazing sports when things didn't go right. But also the bemoans and cries of victory sold every one of them! Cheers to you both for making such a long game of TOW a fantastic watch. I can't wait for the next game!
Both armies look amazing! Have you guys been doing this since you were teenagers? I used to collect dwarfs and we played with a couple of buddies. I remember that there were some hints on how to paint in the armybook but the guys working in the games workshop store knew how to do it the best way (this was before youtube existed). It was fun looking at the first models painted vs the ones a year later. Surely many years of experience helps :P
You are indeed correct in that 'Lone Characters' being skirmishers means they have 360 degrees LoS (also means they can charge in any direction). Important to note is that this is true for characters that are either "Infantry" or "Cavalry", even if they are *heavy* infantry or *monstrous* cavalry. Only characters (not joined to a unit) riding in a chariot, or on a monster are no longer considered skirmishers and have arcs.
Always good to see VC on the channel, and who can fail to love Grayson's army (and his generosity). The charge with the Grave Guard in VC turn 6 is not a failed charge. The target unit fleeing out of range does not cause it to become a failed charge I believe. Per Page 129
Almost wound up late for a flight finishing this episode. Loving watching the Old World content and the steady increase in rules knowledge as the bat reps go on. Keep up the amazing work!
Thanks for the report always fun to watch! I don’t comb through the comments. So this maybe already said. Page 110- “Unbinding: If a natural double 6 is rolled when attempting any type of dispel, the magic unbinds and the spell is dispelled and immediately ends, regardless of the casting result.” Your guest could’ve tried a Fated dispel and get double 6’s. Disregard I see you found it next turn. Awesome job boys!
29:30 You can roll doubke 6 on fated dispel. 1:29:53 Bound item have power level which adds to the roll. 1:35:15 Flails are AP2. 2:27:10 Earthen ramparts cant be cast into combat. 2:48:07 You don't have to remove it just cant cast that spell again. 2:51:50 *Running down the foe* when you flee and fail to charge the unit goes it charge range. (movement +6 +3* (*if they have swiftstride)). 3:09:38 You cast enchantment and hex before movement phase.
44:51 Funnily enough, at the time of recording, the mounts of Karlsson‘s unit would not be able to strike if itjey were not in B2B; it was just a single attack. However, counting in last FAQ all is fine :)
51:15 How does Failed Charge and Swiftstride interact? I assumed - if you decide to roll the die - you must add the Swiftstride to the Charge roll; it did not make a huge difference here as it would have been 7“ instead of 6“ but Instill wonder? However, the charge range being 17“ the charge was not possible with a maximum of 7+6+6=16“ charge range
I would add flying unit to that empire army to threaten heroes, artillery and also harass the rear. Pity that small unit of cav did not make the way around the building after defeating the wolves. It would have made a big difference in turn 5+
Some advice for the Vampires if I may: Take Hellish Vigour on one of your wizards, otherwise you'll need ages to get anywhere and can be easily outmanouvered. And I would recommend keeping your cavalry back. As you've seen here the Black Knights do very little damage on their own and will crumble against anything with a rank bonus. I would use them to charge into the flanks of the enemy once the infantry has engaged, otherwise the Knights will just bounce off and die.
A great fight, interesting in that it wasn't just line-up and fight, change of scenario helped and terrain influence too. If the vampire co-ordinates better, and gets his Grave Guard in position to charge, then the result is a win... but I enjoyed that the Empire hung-on (just). Not sure what the dire wolves were trying to do... threw them away a bit, but keeping them back as a threat, than the cavalry can't ignore, might have been better, for later flank charge or draw the cavalry out of the main line's fight. Concerned that archery/missile fire seems so weak in this edition... not the first to say so... war machines too... balance doesn't seem quiet right
Should TOW implement a change to the game where the first rank can always fight back (up to something like +2 models on each side to prevent abusive line hammer play). What do people think about that "patch"? It also makes the game easier mechanically because you don't have to dime and nickel every combat, especially with spears.
Wow, making an Undead army start on the short table edge? That's just cruel and unusual - I thought you and Matty B were friends! I alluded to this when you and Grayson last played; I fear, that just like the video game, poor Morgan Bernhardt is going to struggle without using any cheat codes (Let's face it, Dark Omen was pretty much impossible). I suppose in that way, this Bat Rep was very fluffy! Still getting to grips with the OW ruleset, but I believe the Household Guard cavalry unit could have counter-charged against the dire wolves early in the game. Great content, as usual!
Second comment after watching the game: I thought the vampire counts magic has been really destructive in this game! Good game, and I waiting for the next game! Thanks for sharing! 🔝
Regarding zombies and the newly dead I cannot see why anyone would play it that they need to get wounded before you can take them beyond starting size, it makes no sense whatsoever that the necromancer would have the power to keep adding more, and then only do it when they suffer wounds, and to me at least, it's clearly intended to work as you play it. Zombies are a tarpit unit, they strike last against most if not all in the old world, they rarely wound anything and more often than not they take 10 plus wounds in a round of combat, meaning that it's not unusual for them to lose 20 models in round of combat. They need something to make them do their job, and the newly dead is what makes them a bit special and able to do their job (If they ever get into combat with their movement 4 and no march that is). This is the necromancer, summoning dead bodies as the army trods along, growing their ranks of dead as they move towards the enemy. It's so thematic, and a great rule, which is sadly a bit ruined by bad wording. It also gives you something to use invocation of nehek on in turn 1 and 2, which makes it a bit more fun, since you have no shooting, and usually only movement and spells to do as a VC player. So in summary, its fun, it's what the unit needs to work, its thematic and it's clearly as intended.
Hey! Mattey Beee!!! 😀 Good to see him back on the channel, and also playing VC. They really felt like his army to play, I hope we will more of that. Vampire lord Matty Von Bee! 😋 Imho, the grudgebringer shooting wasnt handled very well/didnt have good targets. You said so yourself that the crossbowmen were deployed too far back. And cannons only had one good target, the knights, and the were only targeted once. Against an army with chariots, monsters, warmachines, more cavalry they are really useful. The D3+1 makes them more reliant now. Also, a bit unlucky with the missfires. But still, replacing one of them with a mortar seems like a good idea. Shooting againt the undead has always been difficult imo, you cant whittle them down, you have to iether concentrate everything on one unit and hope to delete it or destroy all their chaff and outplay them in the movement phase. I dont think you did niether in the game. I hope you keep the list pretty similar atleast for another couple of games, its really cool! Love your work! Best batreps on youtube! ❤ And also, as stated, Allor is an Amber wizard. 😜
Totally agree with the shooting not being handled quite right. Some solid points indeed sir. Also, THANK YOU SO MUCH for supporting the channel, you devilish rogue you!
Incredible! I just had a game against Vampire Counts yesterday and the regens were felt. Seems all Vampire Counts players go to the same witch doctor. XD Great game! Keep it up!
Great battle report. Great sports playing a very entertaining game. Just a note: believe the Zombienunit is too bis as it has to be between 20-40 maximum.
Having watched several Old World bat reps now, it seems to me missile troops aren't worth their points cost. And the fact that cannons don't ignore armor saves is mind blowing.
Shooting the poor dogs? I reckon, in this here timeline the Grudgebringers are actually employed by the imperial "Agentur für Alkohol, Tabak und Feuerwaffen". A page taken straight out off the Dark Elves playbook...
8" before target gives you 55% or so odds to hit. 6" gives 41% or so(both bit higher as misfire on 2nd roll doesn't matter 1/6 times of 1st roll). So if you want to hit specific model 8". Vs deeper blocks 6" can be better though
Love The Old World content. I've played VC with my Dwarfs several times so far and always found VC very difficult. With their powerful magic, regeneration and ability to bring back units, coupled with the weakness of shooting, they're very difficult to counter. Empire don't have the same weaknesses as Dwarfs but, halfway through the video, I'm noticing a lot of the same issues playing Empire!
Beyond the cool army factor, I don't see any reason to take anything other than high speed charging cav and monsters of various sorts. INF seems so utterly useless this edition when the moment you charge them (even if they're BRACED SPEARS) you just kill the front row automatically due to initiative bonuses, nothing hits you back, rinse and repeat.
It was always this until 8th edition. Infantry are not meant to kill, they're meant to tarpit, anvil or deny a breakthrough. If you have even a little AP (-1 or more), 12 heavy cav are more expensive and have much less staying power than 25-30 cheap infantry if they lose the first combat.
Great batrep as always. Love me Vampire Counts, love me extra long reports and Matty B is a gentleman. I am pleasantly surprised that VC are still damn competitive despite being made Legacy. One thing though, with the Sceptre of de Noirot, the Necromancer must roll every time it's used (so after the 2nd Invocation). On a 1, they lose a wound. Probably wouldn't have affected the outcome of the game but still, fairly important asterisk to keep in mind!
Ment to say you COULD have used your invocations even without casualties on the 1st turn as you can increase zombie numbers beyond their starting number. Great battle rep
Enjoyable game as ever - thanks. Matty B did go well with the dice especially on regen and the Ld tests for invocations. There was one roll though that didn't go his way and could have lead to quite a different battle - the ghouls not making their charge alongside the black knights. Otherwise I agree with a lot of your assessments - shooting not up to much especially against biggish units of undead that can be raised back up and invocation looks very strong with no chance to dispel. I don't think the shooting would even have been that effective if they couldn't be raised, but even so I guess the only way to stop them is to find a way to get at the wizards. Maybe the smaller unit of knights could have been used differently to try to do this, not sure. Speaking of which Matty B might have been better served to use some of his magic missiles to eliminate the smaller knight unit rather than always concentrating on the big unit - again there are pros and cons either way I guess and they were of course unlucky to lose numbers the way they did anyway.
Great game!! 🤘Keep going and playing!! Don't worry about the mistakes we all have some 😁 would you do a video of your thoughts about The Old World VS 6th(good & bad things)?
Thanks mate! Glad you enjoyed it. But I don't think I'd film the movement phase. Takes too long and it's nice to do the fiddly stuff without a camera in my hand.
Great game and what a nostlagia (not for me I have just finished Dark omen campain again :D to see dark omen inspired units (and just awesome), good job and keep going!
Kudos for ditching the Old World terrain placement rules. What a boring wasteland that is. I have played a dozen of games, and I am already tired of playing on the same board every time.
I think the terrain rules as they stand are fine (and I like that they specifically call out incidental scenery) but the 24" diameter circle of nO tErRaIn in the centre of the board thing is dull.
Great battle report albeit with quite a few mistakes, several of which seem to be rooted in the way the previous edition rules worked. But a great watch none the less. I am really enjoying the Old World I have to say.
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Once again a great and entertaining battle report! One additional thing I noticed apart from some things already mentioned in other comments: - The inner circle knights did not need to take a panic test after the (devastating!) unquiet spirits, as they are immune to psychology due to being joined by a Grand Master (Master of Battle special rule) Looking forward to the next battle report
It clearly states that heal and resurrection are two different effects. Healing occurs to models that are not slain, while resurrection raises slain models. Zombies can be resurrected beyond their starting size. So when you use Invocation on them, they increase their size. They do not need to be wounded already.
I would say it "clearly" needs an FAQ, as the rule is worded that you are replacing your models that have already been slain. GW was unclear in their wording. Does "resurrecting the fallen" refer to your models who have been killed, or the fallen of the warhammer universe at large?
I'm so pleased you're continuing to play Old World. Keep it up! Love your stuff.
Much respect to Grayson , what a top bloke.
Indeed. a true legend.
guys this is the most fun battle report i think ive ever seen, keep on doing old world reports like this its absolutely fantastic.
Another EPIC battle, with the one and only Mattey Beee!! Also what a legend he is who gifted the Empire army! Dark Omen was truly a great game, so far ahead of its time!
I know right! Such great memories playing those games.
Inner Circle Knights actually have Full Plate Armour by default, so with with a shield and barding, they'd have 2+ saves.
Fantastic battle report, loving your TOW content, especially how much passion and narrative you lend to even the simplest of rolls. Reminds me of what I get passionate about with wargaming, not just smashing spreadsheets into each other.
Svens Household cavalry wqs being plaed as ordinary empire knights though, not inner circle. Do they come stock with full plate too?
@@isakjohansson112 Oh, derp, you're absolutely right, got the units mixed up.
you are correct at 2:12:30 .
Unless specified otherwise, the target of a spell needs to be in your vision arc (p. 108). Characters on their own that are infantry or cavalry are Lone Characters (p. 206 core), which are considered to be in skirmish formation (p.205 core), so "every arc counts as front arc" (p. 184 core). It's not exactly the easiest to digest, but you came to the right conclusion.
Ah the Chronicles of Countess Isabella Von Liberhurtz, the untold tales lost to time when her journal was sealed away from prying eyes, some say burned, some say it resides in the vaults of the college of magic, some deny its very existence. What things she saw, what perils she faced, one can only speculate.. perhaps the historian Stos will uncover further crumbs of her ordeals as he explores the histories of The Old World.
I love that idea! 😍
The amount of six on this battle is crazy !
Thank you for the show.
When you see a new R.E.G. upload, you know it's going to be a great day 🎉
Not anymore with this TOW battle reports
This is brilliant! But Allor was an Amber wizard! So great to see the Empire back on the table, give us a 6th Ed report next Stos, cant wait to see some detachment action!
That 6+ regeneration has been felt even even here in Spain. Great content people ^^.
The amount of double 6s, triple 6s and just general 6s rolled in this game was out of control! Great batrep
Wow good to see that I'm not the only one nostalgic for Dark Omen. Also painting and modelling it like that, thats some dedication.
Very enjoyable, if you use the grudge bringers again you should bring an ally detachment of dwarfs. I forget the dwarf characters name from shadow of the horned rat, but it would be fun to see some dwarf quarrellers and warriors in support. Just remember in a 2000 point game you can have up to 500 of that on allies, just means you might have a little bit more spent on core units than usual (500 in your main army and 125 in the ally contingent).
Great mind think alike my man!
This was one of my favorite games on your channel so far! You and Matty B did so well to compliment each other's ups and downs, being such amazing sports when things didn't go right. But also the bemoans and cries of victory sold every one of them! Cheers to you both for making such a long game of TOW a fantastic watch. I can't wait for the next game!
Both armies look amazing! Have you guys been doing this since you were teenagers? I used to collect dwarfs and we played with a couple of buddies. I remember that there were some hints on how to paint in the armybook but the guys working in the games workshop store knew how to do it the best way (this was before youtube existed). It was fun looking at the first models painted vs the ones a year later. Surely many years of experience helps :P
You are indeed correct in that 'Lone Characters' being skirmishers means they have 360 degrees LoS (also means they can charge in any direction).
Important to note is that this is true for characters that are either "Infantry" or "Cavalry", even if they are *heavy* infantry or *monstrous* cavalry. Only characters (not joined to a unit) riding in a chariot, or on a monster are no longer considered skirmishers and have arcs.
Chariots have a rule that gives them 360 degree line of sight for shooting and spells.
Love the game and models! I think there is a special magical armor that can be worn by your vampire: The Flayed Hauberk pg 25.
Always good to see VC on the channel, and who can fail to love Grayson's army (and his generosity). The charge with the Grave Guard in VC turn 6 is not a failed charge. The target unit fleeing out of range does not cause it to become a failed charge I believe. Per Page 129
The B. Man. Myth. Roller of 6's. Great battle report as always
Almost wound up late for a flight finishing this episode. Loving watching the Old World content and the steady increase in rules knowledge as the bat reps go on. Keep up the amazing work!
LOL that's dedication mate! Glad you're still enjoying the videos mate!
Thanks for thr upload, will watch this when im home from work later. Would love to see some tomb kings on the channel sometime 😊
Great batrep. Really appreciate the quality paint jobs and terrain setup was so thematic in aesthetic. Cheers!!
Thanks for the report always fun to watch!
I don’t comb through the comments. So this maybe already said.
Page 110- “Unbinding: If a natural double 6 is rolled when attempting any type of dispel, the magic unbinds and the spell is dispelled and immediately ends, regardless of the casting result.”
Your guest could’ve tried a Fated dispel and get double 6’s.
Disregard I see you found it next turn. Awesome job boys!
When he said "Grudgebringer Company"... oh yeah!
OMG I LOVED THOSE GAMES AS A KID! Shadow of the horned rat and Dark Omen were amazing games! That army is amazing!
29:30 You can roll doubke 6 on fated dispel.
1:29:53 Bound item have power level which adds to the roll.
1:35:15 Flails are AP2.
2:27:10 Earthen ramparts cant be cast into combat.
2:48:07 You don't have to remove it just cant cast that spell again.
2:51:50 *Running down the foe* when you flee and fail to charge the unit goes it charge range. (movement +6 +3* (*if they have swiftstride)).
3:09:38 You cast enchantment and hex before movement phase.
28:00 undead can't march.
@@LSOP- Flyers can march and the ghouls have reserve move which allows them to move again after shooting.
44:51 Funnily enough, at the time of recording, the mounts of Karlsson‘s unit would not be able to strike if itjey were not in B2B; it was just a single attack. However, counting in last FAQ all is fine :)
51:15 How does Failed Charge and Swiftstride interact? I assumed - if you decide to roll the die - you must add the Swiftstride to the Charge roll; it did not make a huge difference here as it would have been 7“ instead of 6“ but Instill wonder?
However, the charge range being 17“ the charge was not possible with a maximum of 7+6+6=16“ charge range
@@marcela8769 Swiftstride only adds 3 to the charge range but you can still roll a 6.
If fail the charge you don't add Swiftstride.
Just got round to watching this after a busy month. Great game. Love to see the original dynamic duo duking it out in the new (old) world! 👍
For the Fear rule you dont need to outnumber 2:1 - you just need a higher unit strength.
Hey guys, another great battle report. Keep it up! I'm an old 4th/5th/6th player, but here now for the Old World :-)
Immediate subscribe after the 'yah you must plunge it, plunge it now!' LOL
Cheers mate! 😂
I would add flying unit to that empire army to threaten heroes, artillery and also harass the rear. Pity that small unit of cav did not make the way around the building after defeating the wolves. It would have made a big difference in turn 5+
Some advice for the Vampires if I may:
Take Hellish Vigour on one of your wizards, otherwise you'll need ages to get anywhere and can be easily outmanouvered.
And I would recommend keeping your cavalry back. As you've seen here the Black Knights do very little damage on their own and will crumble against anything with a rank bonus. I would use them to charge into the flanks of the enemy once the infantry has engaged, otherwise the Knights will just bounce off and die.
OMG OMG!!! its a Grudgebringer army! :D I have dreamed of having a full Army of Morgan Benrnhardts finest. :)
Flaming attacks doesn't remove regen unless target has the flammable rule.
Flails still get the AP-2 rule on subsequent rounds.
A great fight, interesting in that it wasn't just line-up and fight, change of scenario helped and terrain influence too. If the vampire co-ordinates better, and gets his Grave Guard in position to charge, then the result is a win... but I enjoyed that the Empire hung-on (just). Not sure what the dire wolves were trying to do... threw them away a bit, but keeping them back as a threat, than the cavalry can't ignore, might have been better, for later flank charge or draw the cavalry out of the main line's fight. Concerned that archery/missile fire seems so weak in this edition... not the first to say so... war machines too... balance doesn't seem quiet right
Should TOW implement a change to the game where the first rank can always fight back (up to something like +2 models on each side to prevent abusive line hammer play).
What do people think about that "patch"?
It also makes the game easier mechanically because you don't have to dime and nickel every combat, especially with spears.
Wow, making an Undead army start on the short table edge? That's just cruel and unusual - I thought you and Matty B were friends! I alluded to this when you and Grayson last played; I fear, that just like the video game, poor Morgan Bernhardt is going to struggle without using any cheat codes (Let's face it, Dark Omen was pretty much impossible). I suppose in that way, this Bat Rep was very fluffy! Still getting to grips with the OW ruleset, but I believe the Household Guard cavalry unit could have counter-charged against the dire wolves early in the game. Great content, as usual!
Spare a thought for this man's long-suffering family...
By god do they suffer.
Second comment after watching the game: I thought the vampire counts magic has been really destructive in this game! Good game, and I waiting for the next game! Thanks for sharing! 🔝
Regarding zombies and the newly dead
I cannot see why anyone would play it that they need to get wounded before you can take them beyond starting size, it makes no sense whatsoever that the necromancer would have the power to keep adding more, and then only do it when they suffer wounds, and to me at least, it's clearly intended to work as you play it.
Zombies are a tarpit unit, they strike last against most if not all in the old world, they rarely wound anything and more often than not they take 10 plus wounds in a round of combat, meaning that it's not unusual for them to lose 20 models in round of combat. They need something to make them do their job, and the newly dead is what makes them a bit special and able to do their job (If they ever get into combat with their movement 4 and no march that is).
This is the necromancer, summoning dead bodies as the army trods along, growing their ranks of dead as they move towards the enemy. It's so thematic, and a great rule, which is sadly a bit ruined by bad wording.
It also gives you something to use invocation of nehek on in turn 1 and 2, which makes it a bit more fun, since you have no shooting, and usually only movement and spells to do as a VC player.
So in summary, its fun, it's what the unit needs to work, its thematic and it's clearly as intended.
Shadow of the Horned Rat - A man of culture and a beautiful army!
Thanks for sharing. Feet up and lots of tea watching this very enjoyable bat rep. Look forward to you and Matty B having another game.
Hey! Mattey Beee!!! 😀 Good to see him back on the channel, and also playing VC. They really felt like his army to play, I hope we will more of that. Vampire lord Matty Von Bee! 😋
Imho, the grudgebringer shooting wasnt handled very well/didnt have good targets. You said so yourself that the crossbowmen were deployed too far back. And cannons only had one good target, the knights, and the were only targeted once. Against an army with chariots, monsters, warmachines, more cavalry they are really useful. The D3+1 makes them more reliant now. Also, a bit unlucky with the missfires. But still, replacing one of them with a mortar seems like a good idea. Shooting againt the undead has always been difficult imo, you cant whittle them down, you have to iether concentrate everything on one unit and hope to delete it or destroy all their chaff and outplay them in the movement phase. I dont think you did niether in the game. I hope you keep the list pretty similar atleast for another couple of games, its really cool!
Love your work! Best batreps on youtube! ❤
And also, as stated, Allor is an Amber wizard. 😜
Totally agree with the shooting not being handled quite right. Some solid points indeed sir. Also, THANK YOU SO MUCH for supporting the channel, you devilish rogue you!
i discovered your channel today, your reports and emotions during play are so funny!
Glad you enjoy it! 😁
Incredible! I just had a game against Vampire Counts yesterday and the regens were felt. Seems all Vampire Counts players go to the same witch doctor. XD Great game! Keep it up!
Great to see some more Old World! Love your vids
Great battle report. Great sports playing a very entertaining game. Just a note: believe the Zombienunit is too bis as it has to be between 20-40 maximum.
So many cool armies on this channel!
Loving it ! funny and educative :)
Learning with both of you is a pleasure
Cheers
Having watched several Old World bat reps now, it seems to me missile troops aren't worth their points cost. And the fact that cannons don't ignore armor saves is mind blowing.
As a Dwarf player, I've sadly reached the same conclusion
Oh the mercenaries from the Shadow of the Honet Rata FANTASTIC.
Hey, I recognize that army! Good to see them not get absolutely thrashed, though they still can't shake some of the tough rolls...
Glad you enjoyed it mate! I absolutely LOVED playing with the Grudgebringers!! Thanks again you bloody LEGEND!
Shooting the poor dogs? I reckon, in this here timeline the Grudgebringers are actually employed by the imperial "Agentur für Alkohol, Tabak und Feuerwaffen". A page taken straight out off the Dark Elves playbook...
WOW... What a gift. Really nice🤩
8" before target gives you 55% or so odds to hit. 6" gives 41% or so(both bit higher as misfire on 2nd roll doesn't matter 1/6 times of 1st roll). So if you want to hit specific model 8". Vs deeper blocks 6" can be better though
Great battle report! Loving the Old World content.
Love The Old World content. I've played VC with my Dwarfs several times so far and always found VC very difficult. With their powerful magic, regeneration and ability to bring back units, coupled with the weakness of shooting, they're very difficult to counter. Empire don't have the same weaknesses as Dwarfs but, halfway through the video, I'm noticing a lot of the same issues playing Empire!
They definitely seem like a tough fight for anyone at this point.
@@rogueelementgaming my main opponent often runs VC and we've tried a few methods of countering them. No success so far!
Beyond the cool army factor, I don't see any reason to take anything other than high speed charging cav and monsters of various sorts. INF seems so utterly useless this edition when the moment you charge them (even if they're BRACED SPEARS) you just kill the front row automatically due to initiative bonuses, nothing hits you back, rinse and repeat.
It was always this until 8th edition.
Infantry are not meant to kill, they're meant to tarpit, anvil or deny a breakthrough.
If you have even a little AP (-1 or more), 12 heavy cav are more expensive and have much less staying power than 25-30 cheap infantry if they lose the first combat.
I do however agree with you that elite infantry blocks have a very high opportunity cost compared to blocks or MSUs of cavalry and/or monsters.
personal leadership test... im in tears
Great batrep as always. Love me Vampire Counts, love me extra long reports and Matty B is a gentleman. I am pleasantly surprised that VC are still damn competitive despite being made Legacy. One thing though, with the Sceptre of de Noirot, the Necromancer must roll every time it's used (so after the 2nd Invocation). On a 1, they lose a wound. Probably wouldn't have affected the outcome of the game but still, fairly important asterisk to keep in mind!
Woooooo. Those are exact banners from Dark omen and Shadow of the horned rat games! And that is Benhard himself! Wooooooo
The dice just weren't with you this time!
Great now I've got the dark omen music stuck in my head! "Help us!"
Ment to say you COULD have used your invocations even without casualties on the 1st turn as you can increase zombie numbers beyond their starting number. Great battle rep
When will you show the us outtakes of y'all giggling after mugging for the camera?
Enjoyable game as ever - thanks.
Matty B did go well with the dice especially on regen and the Ld tests for invocations. There was one roll though that didn't go his way and could have lead to quite a different battle - the ghouls not making their charge alongside the black knights. Otherwise I agree with a lot of your assessments - shooting not up to much especially against biggish units of undead that can be raised back up and invocation looks very strong with no chance to dispel. I don't think the shooting would even have been that effective if they couldn't be raised, but even so I guess the only way to stop them is to find a way to get at the wizards. Maybe the smaller unit of knights could have been used differently to try to do this, not sure. Speaking of which Matty B might have been better served to use some of his magic missiles to eliminate the smaller knight unit rather than always concentrating on the big unit - again there are pros and cons either way I guess and they were of course unlucky to lose numbers the way they did anyway.
Great game!! 🤘Keep going and playing!! Don't worry about the mistakes we all have some 😁 would you do a video of your thoughts about The Old World VS 6th(good & bad things)?
You guys are absolute legends!
Please, please, please do more Old World. Would yall ever show the movement phase from start to finish?
Thanks mate! Glad you enjoyed it. But I don't think I'd film the movement phase. Takes too long and it's nice to do the fiddly stuff without a camera in my hand.
Thank you for sharing this report.
Thanks for another upload. Appreciate it man. Keep it up!
The gryphion banner doesn't give that much. Since max bouns you can get from ranks is just 2.
Seems like a useless item if it's not intended to go beyond the max...
I must admit I found the main guy kinda grating at first but he grew on me and this is pretty solid background noise when painting models.
I played the old pc game. They were very cool. I wonder if they still work…
Mr B. is like the perfect guest for this show!
Totally agree! The people's champion!
Yup Grayson, proper Old-Shool Legend.
Where are the swordsmen minis with the white and green shields from? They look ace and I would love to get some for my own empire army! :)
www.myminifactory.com/users/Ezipion%20Digital%20Store/collection/reinhardt-company
That's the link to the creators my mini factory
@@rogueelementgaming Thank you!
If you charge a unit that declares to flee, you go the full distance. It doesn't count as failed charge!
By Sigmar! Such a beautiful Grudgebringers!
Chaaaarge!
P. S. Great batrep, keep going!
fun vid subbed, hope to see more old world
Thats my friday night entertainment sorted.....looking forward to this one!
Cheers champion! Hope you enjoyed it!
Great game and what a nostlagia (not for me I have just finished Dark omen campain again :D to see dark omen inspired units (and just awesome), good job and keep going!
Great cannon is AP-3, not 2, bet you were looking at the regular cannon.
Matty B I knew you was down with those shroomz. and I aint talking about no madcat.
😏
Thanks for posting!
Oh that sick, Grayson donated that beauty to you! It is a great thing that you play with it Stos!
Yeah man! You should check out the last 3 mins of the batrep we played together to see him blind side me with the gift!
@@rogueelementgaming Ok, checked it now. Amazing, you caught me of jumping ahead a bit too quickly, like in games also. :D
Keep the awesome work guys :) For Ulric !
Thanks! Will do!
Kudos for ditching the Old World terrain placement rules. What a boring wasteland that is. I have played a dozen of games, and I am already tired of playing on the same board every time.
I think the terrain rules as they stand are fine (and I like that they specifically call out incidental scenery) but the 24" diameter circle of nO tErRaIn in the centre of the board thing is dull.
I put a hill in the center. Dosen't mess with movement and gives my opponent a false since of safety from my empire shooting lol .
@@blastvader the 24" no man's land is for the single special scenery that you must put on the middle.
I found your channel accidentally and I love it very much! May ask where did you find these miniatures? They look awesome
Cheers mate, welcome aboard!
www.myminifactory.com/users/Ezipion%20Digital%20Store/collection/reinhardt-company
Are the Dark Omen minis from Ezipion on Myminifactory?
Great battle report albeit with quite a few mistakes, several of which seem to be rooted in the way the previous edition rules worked. But a great watch none the less. I am really enjoying the Old World I have to say.
I love the voice you picked for Eusebio the bleak :D
Ha! Cheers mate!
Any idea where the minis are from? The core and the especially the dude with the huge hat on the cannon team??
Here's a link to the creator of these amazing STL's my mini factory.
www.myminifactory.com/users/Ezipion%20Digital%20Store/collection/reinhardt-company
Lovely work. You know the Wizard is Amber not Jade right?
Once again a great and entertaining battle report!
One additional thing I noticed apart from some things already mentioned in other comments:
- The inner circle knights did not need to take a panic test after the (devastating!) unquiet spirits, as they are immune to psychology due to being joined by a Grand Master (Master of Battle special rule)
Looking forward to the next battle report
But it was the other unit that took it, and they werent joined be the chaptermaster so..
You keep calling Allor a Jade wizard but he is actually an Amber wizard. Jade wizards are from the College of Light
And Jade Lions are from Cathay
Bugger! You're totally right.
Wizards of the Jade order is the "Lore of Life" !
Great battle report! I love the battle mat you use, where did you get that one?
Cheers mate! I get my mats from www.tablewar.com.au/
The terrain is getting better and better.. :) Is that the fortified Manor? have I seen it before here?
Thanks mate! It is the fortified Manor. I've had it the whole time, just doesn't often make it to the table.
@@rogueelementgaming Ah lucky you though, such a nice piece of terrain! But can take up some space.. I hope the chick is safe in there.. ;)
First comment before watching the game: thanks for sharing and playing TOW! 🎉