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Purchased a new Travel trailer, Did the inspection myself ( I have an aircraft inspection and maintenance license, and tools). Found these problems: Rear window had some type of adhesive spatters, access hatches in the underbelly Coroplast were poorly sealed and popping off, U bracket nuts on one side of the auto levelers were barely threaded on and were not tightened, hanger strap for grey water drain was loose, electrical connections in the distribution box were not tight, power wire to tongue jack was pinched between frame and hitch mount, 2 drawer slides were not screwed in at the back.
@@bdoug5316 anyone "can" work on an RV. I meant to convey that I have the mindset of inspection and attention to detail, to identify and correct potential issues. I also helps if one has appropriate tools..
We bought a Thor Tuscany form La Mesa RV in Mesa Arizona. After the purchase we learned two valuable lessons. NEVER buy a unit made by Thor and NEVER (and I mean NEVER) by anything from La Mesa RV in Mesa Arizona again. We bought a used class A and our neighbors across the street bought a new class C from La Mesa. We both got burnt. BE WARE.
Well, as a senior on a low fixed income who's saving my $ to buy an RV since taking out a 10 yr loan is NOT an option, buying an affordable Thor that's met pre-inspection criteria, is my ONLY option. Not everyone has the $ to spend $50K+++ on a self-contained van. I'm going to trust that things will go well for me AND get NRVTA certified as both a tech and an Inspector to be able to make money on the road😊
I'm putting limits on myself b/c only I know my situation and I don't appreciate being challenged about putting limits on myself. I understand where you're coming from AND only I know about my situation. Please be respectful, rather than questioning and challenging 🙏
Bought a brand new 2015 Voltage toy hauler. I inspected the roof sealants as usual since I’ve been there done that. All looked good. A little over a year of ownership later I see de-lamination on the rear side corner near the roof. Upon closer inspection I discovered the roof membrane was cut over an inch short, the usual metal trim was installed then it, and bare wood was covered with Dicor sealant which actually looked great. Called Keystone which owns Dutchmen and was told to take it to an authorized dealer that they recommended. If the dealer determined it was a manufacturing defect, they would pay for the repair. The dealer determined it was in fact a manufacturing defect. Keystone told me, and I’ll paraphrase, “Take a hike, we aren’t covering anything sucker”.
Every single new rv or trailer seems to be a pile. My 1972 is a tank. My old '87 wasnt even built as solid. Just buy old used and fix it up. Dont be afraid of work.
I have an old class A. It's a bit faded on the outside, dated on the inside. But it worked for me. Took it in to have it winterized last fall and the manager at the RV dealership/repairs place told me the new RV's are "all sh-t" and that he has a class C from the 80's. He said he'd much rather have an older one because they were built better. I felt much better about my own rig after that, and watching these sorts of videos.
What an interesting topic. In the four years I have owned my Canyon Star there have been just over $55,000 in repairs. Along the way, I have suggested something seemed off when looking at several small flaws (I suspected it had been in an accident), but when I would point these things out I was told I was overthinking things and that these small items were not related. Well, finally a service advisor at a dealership listened to me and put the same two and two together and said you got a problem and need to take this back to Newmar! As a result, I will be in Nappannee next Monday, June 26 to evaluate what to do about my cracked frame!
My wife and I are on our 6th 5th wheel. Artic Fox, Raptor, Gateway, Redwood, Redwood and Riverstone. Everyone had issues and good luck trying to get the shop to do it after you've towed it off the lot. Our used 2007 Artic Fox was probably the better built out of them all. Thanks for the video.
The more I see these types of videos, the better I feel about my older class A. Seems like the problems are largely with the ones manufactured in more recent years.
My brand new Travato had about 11 things wrong with it right from the factory. Finding service people that care has been a challenge in and of itself. I've ended up fixing some stuff myself.
Bought my RV from a Private Seller and had a full inspection.. Absolutely fantastic team checked inside and out. Fortunately no major problems were found
This is perhaps one of the best public-service RV videos I can remember. I've learned a bit the hard way & a lot via others around me/online how bad the industry is over the last say, 25yrs.... I see this stuff as well. You guys' clout will convert many of the Kool-Aide drinkers out there that poo-poo the small percentage of experienced folks like myself when we say stuff like "they're all crap". Thank you two again for this one!
Great video on the industry quality. My wife and I took a month long trip out west pulling our '86 Airstream. At almost every camping spot we had nearby neighbors who wanted to talk to us about our Airstream and share with us their disappointing story buying a recent Airstream with endless quality issues. We had two people tell us to hang onto our Airstream because they aren't building them as durable anymore. We are happy with our trailer, but realize that we are dealing with an industry that isn't quality driven; it's profit driven. We ve learned to become handy and fix alot of our own stuff or find good local people who work on trailers who aren't associated with a brand.
Yes, we had a NRVIA inspection when we bought our present RV in 2017. 100+ page inspection report was impressive. We had made an inspection as part of our contingency to buy the RV from Camping World, Mesa which they were agreeable to. The main problems in the inspection were that the roof needed to be resealed, the batteries were no good, the tires were 6 years old and they needed to be replaced. In Camping World's favor, they did reseal the roof and replace the tires and batteries which saved us more than a couple of thousand dollars. The question was why didn't they do this before the inspection?
I purchased a class C Sprinter RV at the Hershey RV show in September 2021. Hired an inspector. The dealer was not happy about it and wasn’t going to let them inspect the rig. I told them I wouldn’t be completing the purchase without one. They reluctantly allowed it but rushed them through their inspection. It did reveal problems that the dealer addresses some of them and I worked relentlessly with Thor over the next 7 months to resolve the rest of the issues. The best part was that I had a full report with pictures detailing the issues at delivery. EVERYONE NEEDS an RV inspection At purchase
I read about, and saw evidence of all these horror stories during our rv purchase research. Almost decided against buying ANY rv. Didn’t want to buy a problem. Then came across Pleasureway. They have a 5 year warranty, but only for what they build, so not appliances or the base vehicle. Still, better than most 1 year warranties. In our 6 years, we have had repairs, including propane regulator, sofa mechanism, which we paid for. Other repairs were battery isolator, and spider panel replacement, but Pleasureway covered these costs. Our repair facility, Rick’s RV repair, said they liked Pleasureway because they were open to warranty claims and even gave repair shops a credit card to keep and use for instant approved repairs. Rick’s said sometimes it takes a long time for other brands to decide approval, ship parts, or pay for service. Thank goodness, we went for a Pleasureway. This is just our experience. Good luck in yours.
This is a "buyer beware" industry. Without checking I believe my defect punch list on our new 2021 Jayco Redhawk 24B was around 30 items+/-. Ask me about the repair experience. NOT. Should have built my own.
Because of Pierre and Laurel’s channel, we ordered an inspection for Tuesday on a 2019 Newmar we are purchasing from a dealer. Can’t wait to hear from the inspector……let the fun begin! Thank you for a great video!
I got a 2021 Thor Tellaro in December of 2020. This unit should never have left the factory let alone been for sale. The dealer saw this rub a mile away and took advantage. I eventually got everything fixed after having to explain to them that I had a 2 year warranty, which was the only bright spot in the whole thing, since it took almost that long to get everything ship shape.
Melanie here. I thought that I saw a few familiar things on here. We leave tomorrow, Sunday, to head down to the dealership to have some things fixed. Fingers crossed that they are fixed this time. I'm so glad that we had Laurel and Pierre do our inspection. They were wonderful. Hopefully, our update will be good. I'm going to use your code to get our snap jacks.
I bought a new 2019 Thor and everyone said oh that’s so bad. I’ve been driving from Michigan to south texas to Colorado and only problem I had was the hot water heater wouldn’t work. It does now.
Thank you for this topic. We are RV curious but it's information like this that keep us from diving into the RV life. I grew up on boats and equate RV ownership to a large boat and those always needed some maintenance but no where near these quality horror stories. We plan to do a couple of rentals and see if this is for us. BTW, just finish a 6 week tour of the US, towing a motorcycle trailer with a small SUV and staying in hotels and with friends. Our thought is that an RV may make this type of travel easier, i.e. we would be self contained.
Thanks Izzy! We need more videos like this. Our Mercedes Benz Chassis for our Thor Tiffin Class B motor coach was low on transmission fluid right off the lot. The Coach portion was a mess and it took us many visits to the manufacturer to get the service performed under warranty to repair all of these issues. It's a shame.
Great video and thank you for the insight. I agree with many of the comments here that very sadly we pay our hard earned and saved money to tie the RV we want. We do our research and buy RV. It never fails that we find issues within the first month. Some of which we repair as there are loose screws here and there (although very unacceptable!) and then some things that need dealership work. Quality has definitely gone down over the past several years!!! Do your due diligence and really look at your unit and/or call for an inspection!! Thanks for a great video❤😊
As I continue to say, the RV industry as a whole from a quality perspective is a disgrace and nobody is holding this industry accountable. They took advantage of everyone during Covid with significant price increases with significantly low quality units pushed out for the purpose of profits. The auto industry would not tolerate this level of poor quality.
History will not be kind to their covid scare tactics... 20+ dollars per pop for those covid injections, they profited hundreds of Billions of tax dollars from their, "leaked" virus(s)... locking a World down for less than 1% of the population getting sick from a coronavirus that they themselves knowingly released... "they, their, them" being the US Department of Defense... If it happens you can always start and end by looking into the USDOD... all roads lead right back to them... the Wuhan Military World Games, 140 Nations with nearly 10,000 Military personnel involved... great place to release a virus for experimental purposes of course... Evil holds no bounds
We just turned 70 and are very experienced RVers. We call it "putting lipstick on pigs". 99.9% of all RV's are junk new. They put some shinny fancy things in full view, then you don't see all the issues. And it's ALL of them!! After flushing about $500k down the toilet over 40 years we gave up. I converted a stock GM van and that is how we travel now. A license to make RV's is a license to steal. Most of the 5th wheels are also not safe at highway speeds. The tow vehicles are too small, there is no required training, they are an accident looking for a place to happen. It's all crazy!! So sad. 8( --gary
I have a class A but only for summer months. I need a travel trailer for the rest of the year and strongly considering buying a cargo hauler and converting, for quality purposes.
@@lauravictorious4670 If I may offer a bit of advice? Do a lot of research, you can't change the bones once you begin! For all season, an "all aluminum" (frame included) unit works best, they are also lighter and easier to tow. Ask questions about the axle/suspension, upgrade to disk breaks if available. (aftermarket available too) Some companies use cheap axles! They should also have all "LED" lights, and high quality wiring. Take a good flashlight and look at everything! Top of roof, under frame, everything! Spending more $$ for a higher quality unit will make you much happier down the road with your build!! Have fun, and enjoy it! Wishing you good luck!! I think it's really the best way to go!! 8) --gary
@@gtr1952 I lean towards toy haulers, I like that the back end opens up completely and they tend to be built on a better frame, but I do loads of research and will weigh all options. Thanks.
Oh man, I thought I was doing so good I spotted a bunch of issues and now I just feel sick now. Why couldn't you have come out with this yesterday. I signed the paperwork yesterday.
Sorry to hear. We have talked about always getting a certified RV inspection prior to buying an RV. We have a video coming out in the near future that will make your head spin.
You should still have a timeframe, after the sale, to legally cancel it. Of course that depends on the laws in your state. Some have a "lemon law" for such reasons.
This is great information! My husband and I are looking into just something small - B or smaller C. Been watching videos, noting things we like or don’t like. Mainly just for quick getaways. Thanks for helping us ‘newbie’s’ make good informed choices 😊
Really good video. I bought a used travel trailer…it was a disaster. I should’ve got an inspection before I bought it. Water intrusion was the major issue (and there were lots of other issues). Granted, I was a newbie and too trusting. So we bought a brand new one and still have issues…although not as bad. What is sooo frustrating is that these small issues (that can cause major damage) could nearly all be eliminated with such little effort by manufacturer with greater quality control!!!
We purchased new in 2015, BigHorn by Heartland, I agree that all RV’s have issues and not one is perfect. But we did have some structural issues about 2019 were we noticed a crack in the corner of the slide out frame on the fiberglass, it cost us about $6,000 to have it repaired. It was found that the tack welds done by the manufacturer were bad welds so the wall had to be removed and reinforcement added and welded in, as well as the fiberglass needed to be redone. I tried to work with the manufacturer but they gave me the run around so I reported it as a safety issue to a government web site within 2 weeks I got an email and call from Heartland that they wanted to assist. They reimburse me for the cost of the repairs but it was a pain to get it all worked out. Of course no matter what kind of inspection or thorough inspection that issue would not have been found. I have had some minor issues like drawer bottoms falling through, or other maintenance things like black and gray tank valves or breaks, and bearings but these are wear and tear and I have thought myself to do the work, I just replaced the flooring on my RV, one of the hardest jobs I have had to do. Other than that one major issue it has been a great RV and because we are so familiar with it, and know the systems we will probably keep it until we no longer use it.
No inspections on the last two used motorhomes. We looked at every nook and cranny for water leaks and called it good. It is a point in time of the condition because as it heads down the road - things break! Both were fine; just little D.I.Y. stuff popped up. I think if I was going to get a new one I would do the inspection because of the poor quality. Mt brother went through three travel trailers in one year due to poor quality - the middle one was taken back by the manufacturer because there was no fix! The other two were in the shop under warranty for longer than he used them. He bailed during COVID to get his money back. He is OCD about mechanical things so RV's and him are not a good fit.
Interesting video. Funny, I have never had an inspection of a used car, except 1 classic car that was over a thousand miles away, or a RV. I’m 61 and have owned a hundred cars ( I like cars and classic cars, plus for my family) and over a dozen RVs of every type, including several motorhomes, and have never had a professional inspection. I’m not saying it’s not a good idea because it is but in my case, I always felt that I was knowledgeable enough to do my own thorough inspections. I can honestly say that I have never had a lemon for any of the vehicles or RVs. Sounds crazy but I tend to have the absolute best luck with vehicles, I’m also very, very OCD about them so I think that helps. Thanks for sharing!👍
Like Mark Martin says when talking about his new Newell. “ it takes 18 months to get it right”. It took 18 months and 3 trips to Forest City, Iowa to get my 2020 Horizon 42Q where it should be. But, now it’s absolutely perfect. Next, it needs to be kept up every year. The best part Winnebago has a 3 year warranty on everything they do and I recommend use your new RV so you can take care of it under that Manufacturer warranty. If you rarely use your RV it may take longer to find the issues.
Isn’t it a shame you had to travel back to Forest City 3 times to get it correct when it should have been that way from the factory? That is the big issue with the RV industry that we want people to be aware of before they get into the RV lifestyle.
It was actually good, because they fixed it all perfect. I don’t think a dealership repair shop could have done all that need to be done correctly. The factory service know their own units and know exact,y how to fix them. I was prepared for the factory visits. We just made a trip out of it and had other stops in the Midwest. What they did in 5 days would take several months at a dealership service.
We bought a used 2000 travel trailer and have been very lucky with the items that have broken. All fixable. No water damage even after California's worse winter. I went out to storage to check inside assuming I would find something wet. Nothing!
Everyone gets a home inspection on a new house or a mechanics inspection on a used car. Why would you assume an RV doesn't need one. I have been planning on have my new 24 Georgetown inspected I look forward to seeing if we can connect.
2019 Tiffin 36UA, Dealer allowed us to inspect ahead of delivery when it arrived, spent 3 hours, found some minor issues, nothing big except loose toilet in half bath, we did not hire, we inspected ourselves, brought everything we needed to inspect, even a blow dryer to plug in to ensure good power. $25K later some typical issues from the travels, and some "owner created issues" if we buy another we may invest in an independent inspection
My husband was looking at travel trailers... until one sales guy on TH-cam said, "after your first trip with it you'll bring it in to me for some repairs. Because it's basically a moving box on wheels being shaken and shimmied as you drive down the road." He stopped looking after that. We might go with a used popup for short weekend camping trips. Anything longer and we'll get hotels.
Thank you Izzy and MJ for this video. I love when you do videos like this. It helps me out by saying we need our Rvs inspected before we bring them home. I would hire an inspector to inspect my Rv. After seeing Blue Ox on the Run they telling me to do so. Glad we have that couple around to help. Thank you Izzy and MJ.
I had the pleasure of speaking to Pierre and Laurel when I wanted an inspection, but they were not in my area (GA) so I had to get another inspector, but luckily the only things he found on my 2023 Entegra Esteem were some loose or missing screws! I guess I got lucky!
Well the Rolls Royce Automobiles are handmade. Never heard of problems with that product. Spending 3 million and at that level there are still problems out the gate. It’s a disgrace.
All I can say is BUY THE EXTENDED SERVICE PLAN. It's not "if" it's "when" it's going to break. You can't have something bouncing down the road and not expect problems. Stay safe.
there are two sources of defects in RVs -- 1) the manufacturer, 2) the user (owner, operator, whatever you want to call the person who actually uses the RV). I have an '83 Avion 35' trailer that I got for a song and is in really good condition overall (some rust in outrigger areas (steel) but overall not falling apart) but there IS some evidence of water leaks (stained rivets in the ceiling, etc.). But over the 40 years of use I don't think even once anyone has gone up to clean the roof of pine needles that hold onto water after it rains or inspect (let alone replace) seals around critical areas. I've watched a number of these videos on RVs and many have said that RV manufacturing isn't what it used to be. "Hand made" with pride and precision isn't the same thing as "hand made" and you're in a hurry or cutting corners to improve your bottom line. That's the manufacturer's dilemma and how to address that I'm not sure ("vote w/ your pocketbook"?). But as an owner, regardless of the condition the vehicle may have been in new, you can extend the life immensely by spending time (and a little effort and expense) in maintaining the unit. While I'm very fond of the Avion I have now, I just wonder what it might have been like had the previous owner paid more attention to keeping it pristine while he owned it. It seems whether it's a vehicle or relationship (just to name a couple examples), over time people tend to lose interest -- and when that happens, things deteriorate. Bringing them back to their former glory typically takes (in the long run) more of everything compared to what might have been the case if a little attention, exercised often, had been done.
I look at it as, buy an RV then spend the first three months doing shake down trips and repairs/upgrades to get it right and the way you want it. Rinse and repeat.
Off topic here... You did a video where you mentioned that the photos on your walls were metal and at the time I didn't note where they came from... and no clue from which video. Thanks. Also, this video makes me what to hang onto my 2003 Sunline forever. In all these years, the only problem was the roof began to leak from being stored in full sun in a field for it's first 15 years. Our fault, not the manufacturer. Repaired now, but I am absolutely appalled at the crappy workmanship in brands (like Jayco) that had an excellent reputation for a well built product. Love going to RV shows, but scared to buy.
I would LOVE to have a set of Snap Pads. But I only need 2, and they only sell them in sets of 4. 😖 and since they last for a long time, I would never need the second pair. So I have to live without them. 😢
What happens when the find all these items in the RV. Do the sales department repair them or do clients just move on to another RV? Great video. Goes back to you can't trust salesman.
They sell RV to do one thing make the dealerships money. As soon as you sign the papers and drive it off the lot most dealers will ghost you till your warranty runs out. It does not matter how much it costs.
Blue Ox on the Run has a great channel and I am always impressed with the attention to detail they bring to each inspection. I wish I had used them before I bought my Thor Magnitude.
Maybe prospective RV buyers would be better off sleeping in minivans and pulling small cargo trailers for their stuff. Cars seem to have higher building standards than RV's.
How frustrating for people paying alot of money for a RV only to find out it's a piece of junk. We were looking at buying a new RV to replace our 1988 class C. After a lot of research we decided to keep the old girl and put $$ into upgrading. We have not one leak in our RV. We also don't have any slides and don't like them. Sure having more room is great but you are inviting water into you RV. I mean the rv industry thinks the solve the problem by putting those ridiculous little awnings over the slides.
Firstly I wouldn’t dream of buying any RV without a full independent inspection. New or used expensive or not something is going to be trouble. The standards of construction are not adequate for the money being asked and appear to be getting worse. Doors don’t fit and the hinges are not correctly installed. Roofs are another disaster area as the majority of people feel unsafe just looking. One of my biggest concerns is the risk of fire 🔥 due to the electricity system being overlooked and wired incorrectly or, rat infestation where they simply chew through wires and anything else. It’s a big problem and it’s your life at risk to be blunt. RVS are something that sounds like being free to explore the country but it’s definitely not worth the money that’s being asked. Until manufacturers start taking these issues seriously and making the appropriate changes to their standards you will need to have many thousands of dollars for immediate repairs and then ongoing issues. IF you can afford it given the problems heading your way than go ahead with your inspection and negotiate a price that will include everything likely to happen in year one and thereafter start saving for subsequent years of troubles. It’s time for legalisation to protect the buyers and hold manufacturers fully accountable. The money they are making out of substandard units is daylight robbery in my opinion. I’m predicting that at least half of all manufacturers will be bankrupt within the next five years unless they change their products and standards now. Brilliant video you guys!!!
Do brand new class B's need inspection? Have folks had problems with these rigs right out the gate? Thinking of buying! I would appreciate the helpful input here.
This is the problem with most of today's items there is no quality control the manufactures push the workers to produce And theese companies seem to be making greater And greater profits. Right across the board the consumer is being screwed! It seems to me the more you pay more headache you have actually bought.
This is not shocking. RV's are Crap, absolutely no fit & finish on anything, manufacturers rely on large amounts of Caulking. Water damage is an absolute. RV's are not an Investment and depreciate 50% the minute you drive of the Lot. Used campers are everywhere. Junk, Junk and More Junk.
the best rv to ride in is the one owned by someone else. they are all money pits and we gave up on them long ago. if we want to camp, we rent a cabin. when you put bathroom and kitchen appliances in a vehicle that is moving down the road, rocking, bouncing, swaying, the rv will fail. they ALL do. Technology hasn't figured out how to build a house on wheels. can't be done.
I know I will need an inspection but don't know how to check the background of the inspectors? The timing is my other delema if I go to a show of dealership can I get an inspection prior to the sale? Thank you for your info.
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Thanks. I'm getting a tent. Won't feel so bad when it leaks
I bought a 23 year old Monaco and.... everything worked and no leaks.
Purchased a new Travel trailer, Did the inspection myself ( I have an aircraft inspection and maintenance license, and tools). Found these problems: Rear window had some type of adhesive spatters, access hatches in the underbelly Coroplast were poorly sealed and popping off, U bracket nuts on one side of the auto levelers were barely threaded on and were not tightened, hanger strap for grey water drain was loose, electrical connections in the distribution box were not tight, power wire to tongue jack was pinched between frame and hitch mount, 2 drawer slides were not screwed in at the back.
So people who can work on RVs can work on airplanes?
@@bdoug5316 anyone "can" work on an RV. I meant to convey that I have the mindset of inspection and attention to detail, to identify and correct potential issues. I also helps if one has appropriate tools..
@@kennethmorhain457he was being a D head! Appreciate your knowledge
Really appreciate the info!
We bought a Thor Tuscany form La Mesa RV in Mesa Arizona. After the purchase we learned two valuable lessons. NEVER buy a unit made by Thor and NEVER (and I mean NEVER) by anything from La Mesa RV in Mesa Arizona again. We bought a used class A and our neighbors across the street bought a new class C from La Mesa. We both got burnt. BE WARE.
I had a fifth wheel, vintage class a and c all stolen in az.
Well, as a senior on a low fixed income who's saving my $ to buy an RV since taking out a 10 yr loan is NOT an option, buying an affordable Thor that's met pre-inspection criteria, is my ONLY option. Not everyone has the $ to spend $50K+++ on a self-contained van. I'm going to trust that things will go well for me AND get NRVTA certified as both a tech and an Inspector to be able to make money on the road😊
@@cathyjones7590 "your ONLY option"?
WHY put limitations on yourself?
I'm putting limits on myself b/c only I know my situation and I don't appreciate being challenged about putting limits on myself. I understand where you're coming from AND only I know about my situation. Please be respectful, rather than questioning and challenging 🙏
@@cathyjones7590 Good luck with that! 😀
Bought a brand new 2015 Voltage toy hauler. I inspected the roof sealants as usual since I’ve been there done that. All looked good. A little over a year of ownership later I see de-lamination on the rear side corner near the roof. Upon closer inspection I discovered the roof membrane was cut over an inch short, the usual metal trim was installed then it, and bare wood was covered with Dicor sealant which actually looked great. Called Keystone which owns Dutchmen and was told to take it to an authorized dealer that they recommended. If the dealer determined it was a manufacturing defect, they would pay for the repair. The dealer determined it was in fact a manufacturing defect. Keystone told me, and I’ll paraphrase, “Take a hike, we aren’t covering anything sucker”.
Every single new rv or trailer seems to be a pile. My 1972 is a tank. My old '87 wasnt even built as solid. Just buy old used and fix it up. Dont be afraid of work.
I have an old class A. It's a bit faded on the outside, dated on the inside. But it worked for me. Took it in to have it winterized last fall and the manager at the RV dealership/repairs place told me the new RV's are "all sh-t" and that he has a class C from the 80's. He said he'd much rather have an older one because they were built better. I felt much better about my own rig after that, and watching these sorts of videos.
What an interesting topic. In the four years I have owned my Canyon Star there have been just over $55,000 in repairs. Along the way, I have suggested something seemed off when looking at several small flaws (I suspected it had been in an accident), but when I would point these things out I was told I was overthinking things and that these small items were not related. Well, finally a service advisor at a dealership listened to me and put the same two and two together and said you got a problem and need to take this back to Newmar! As a result, I will be in Nappannee next Monday, June 26 to evaluate what to do about my cracked frame!
Wow, I hope it works out OK for you. What a nosebleed.
@@bkanegson sounds like a broken nose to me...
update?
My wife and I are on our 6th 5th wheel. Artic Fox, Raptor, Gateway, Redwood, Redwood and Riverstone. Everyone had issues and good luck trying to get the shop to do it after you've towed it off the lot. Our used 2007 Artic Fox was probably the better built out of them all. Thanks for the video.
The more I see these types of videos, the better I feel about my older class A. Seems like the problems are largely with the ones manufactured in more recent years.
My brand new Travato had about 11 things wrong with it right from the factory. Finding service people that care has been a challenge in and of itself. I've ended up fixing some stuff myself.
Bought my RV from a Private Seller and had a full inspection.. Absolutely fantastic team checked inside and out. Fortunately no major problems were found
This is perhaps one of the best public-service RV videos I can remember. I've learned a bit the hard way & a lot via others around me/online how bad the industry is over the last say, 25yrs.... I see this stuff as well. You guys' clout will convert many of the Kool-Aide drinkers out there that poo-poo the small percentage of experienced folks like myself when we say stuff like "they're all crap". Thank you two again for this one!
Thank you
After the years long debacles with our BRAND NEW Keystone Months High Country 385BR, we WILL NOT buy an RV unit without a comprehensive inspection!
Great video on the industry quality. My wife and I took a month long trip out west pulling our '86 Airstream. At almost every camping spot we had nearby neighbors who wanted to talk to us about our Airstream and share with us their disappointing story buying a recent Airstream with endless quality issues. We had two people tell us to hang onto our Airstream because they aren't building them as durable anymore. We are happy with our trailer, but realize that we are dealing with an industry that isn't quality driven; it's profit driven. We
ve learned to become handy and fix alot of our own stuff or find good local people who work on trailers who aren't associated with a brand.
More validation that the older MH or TT's are better built and worth buying/keeping.
Yes, we had a NRVIA inspection when we bought our present RV in 2017. 100+ page inspection report was impressive. We had made an inspection as part of our contingency to buy the RV from Camping World, Mesa which they were agreeable to. The main problems in the inspection were that the roof needed to be resealed, the batteries were no good, the tires were 6 years old and they needed to be replaced. In Camping World's favor, they did reseal the roof and replace the tires and batteries which saved us more than a couple of thousand dollars. The question was why didn't they do this before the inspection?
Because they don’t care
From the Horse's mouth....if the buyer doesn't bring it up during the walk through, we don't fix things ahead of time !!!
I purchased a class C Sprinter RV at the Hershey RV show in September 2021. Hired an inspector. The dealer was not happy about it and wasn’t going to let them inspect the rig. I told them I wouldn’t be completing the purchase without one. They reluctantly allowed it but rushed them through their inspection. It did reveal problems that the dealer addresses some of them and I worked relentlessly with Thor over the next 7 months to resolve the rest of the issues. The best part was that I had a full report with pictures detailing the issues at delivery. EVERYONE NEEDS an RV inspection At purchase
I read about, and saw evidence of all these horror stories during our rv purchase research. Almost decided against buying ANY rv. Didn’t want to buy a problem. Then came across Pleasureway. They have a 5 year warranty, but only for what they build, so not appliances or the base vehicle. Still, better than most 1 year warranties. In our 6 years, we have had repairs, including propane regulator, sofa mechanism, which we paid for. Other repairs were battery isolator, and spider panel replacement, but Pleasureway covered these costs. Our repair facility, Rick’s RV repair, said they liked Pleasureway because they were open to warranty claims and even gave repair shops a credit card to keep and use for instant approved repairs. Rick’s said sometimes it takes a long time for other brands to decide approval, ship parts, or pay for service. Thank goodness, we went for a Pleasureway. This is just our experience. Good luck in yours.
Are you referring to Ricks RV repair in San Clemente? They are honest and fair. We will drive 3 hours out of the way to get them on our RV problems!
This is a "buyer beware" industry.
Without checking I believe my defect punch list on our new 2021 Jayco Redhawk 24B was around 30 items+/-.
Ask me about the repair experience. NOT.
Should have built my own.
Thank you Endless RVing for spotlighting this very important topic.
Because of Pierre and Laurel’s channel, we ordered an inspection for Tuesday on a 2019 Newmar we are purchasing from a dealer. Can’t wait to hear from the inspector……let the fun begin! Thank you for a great video!
There you go girl ! Hope you found yourself a good one ? I'm talking about your RV 😉🤣
We're so glad to have helped!
I feel so fortunate purchasing an extremely lightly used 2016 Cruizer Fun Finder in 2019 that had ZERO issues! Thanks "Kent RV", Kent, WA"
Great info from 2 honest channels. Inspections are necessary, period.
Almost at 100k!
I got a 2021 Thor Tellaro in December of 2020. This unit should never have left the factory let alone been for sale. The dealer saw this rub a mile away and took advantage. I eventually got everything fixed after having to explain to them that I had a 2 year warranty, which was the only bright spot in the whole thing, since it took almost that long to get everything ship shape.
Stay tuned because we have a video in the near future about loopholes in RV warranties. It will shock you even more.
Melanie here. I thought that I saw a few familiar things on here. We leave tomorrow, Sunday, to head down to the dealership to have some things fixed. Fingers crossed that they are fixed this time. I'm so glad that we had Laurel and Pierre do our inspection. They were wonderful. Hopefully, our update will be good. I'm going to use your code to get our snap jacks.
Good luck Melanie...continue standing up for yourself . It paid off so far.
Happy summer up there !
We've been thinking about you and Paul!! As always, stay in touch😊
I bought a new 2019 Thor and everyone said oh that’s so bad. I’ve been driving from Michigan to south texas to Colorado and only problem I had was the hot water heater wouldn’t work. It does now.
I built my own trailer. Sold the first one for cheap after I learned a lot then built the one I have now. Low tech, solid wood, similar to a boat.
Yes! I purchased a used Class B and had an rv inspection. It was pricey, but we’ll worth it!
Yup, ours is less then two weeks old, we have a leak on the front of our RV
Thank you for this topic. We are RV curious but it's information like this that keep us from diving into the RV life. I grew up on boats and equate RV ownership to a large boat and those always needed some maintenance but no where near these quality horror stories. We plan to do a couple of rentals and see if this is for us. BTW, just finish a 6 week tour of the US, towing a motorcycle trailer with a small SUV and staying in hotels and with friends. Our thought is that an RV may make this type of travel easier, i.e. we would be self contained.
Thanks Izzy! We need more videos like this. Our Mercedes Benz Chassis for our Thor Tiffin Class B motor coach was low on transmission fluid right off the lot. The Coach portion was a mess and it took us many visits to the manufacturer to get the service performed under warranty to repair all of these issues. It's a shame.
Thanks for sharing
There are all the same my 2021 was new and it had a problem with the wire harness and water pump
Like a Dawg after a Bone ...that's how Laurel calls me now !
We're here to save one RVer at the time ...❤
Yes and you’re doing great job!
Great video and thank you for the insight. I agree with many of the comments here that very sadly we pay our hard earned and saved money to tie the RV we want. We do our research and buy RV. It never fails that we find issues within the first month. Some of which we repair as there are loose screws here and there (although very unacceptable!) and then some things that need dealership work. Quality has definitely gone down over the past several years!!! Do your due diligence and really look at your unit and/or call for an inspection!!
Thanks for a great video❤😊
As I continue to say, the RV industry as a whole from a quality perspective is a disgrace and nobody is holding this industry accountable. They took advantage of everyone during Covid with significant price increases with significantly low quality units pushed out for the purpose of profits. The auto industry would not tolerate this level of poor quality.
You are totally on point...the problem with the RV industry is the human factor at 100% on any production line and no QC accountability!
History will not be kind to their covid scare tactics... 20+ dollars per pop for those covid injections, they profited hundreds of Billions of tax dollars from their, "leaked" virus(s)... locking a World down for less than 1% of the population getting sick from a coronavirus that they themselves knowingly released... "they, their, them" being the US Department of Defense... If it happens you can always start and end by looking into the USDOD... all roads lead right back to them... the Wuhan Military World Games, 140 Nations with nearly 10,000 Military personnel involved... great place to release a virus for experimental purposes of course...
Evil holds no bounds
Ok Izzy, How did your rv stand up to their inspection? I will have a hard time believing that you didn't get them to go through Nellie.
WOW Every thing is shocking.
We just turned 70 and are very experienced RVers. We call it "putting lipstick on pigs". 99.9% of all RV's are junk new. They put some shinny fancy things in full view, then you don't see all the issues. And it's ALL of them!! After flushing about $500k down the toilet over 40 years we gave up. I converted a stock GM van and that is how we travel now. A license to make RV's is a license to steal. Most of the 5th wheels are also not safe at highway speeds. The tow vehicles are too small, there is no required training, they are an accident looking for a place to happen. It's all crazy!! So sad. 8( --gary
I have a class A but only for summer months. I need a travel trailer for the rest of the year and strongly considering buying a cargo hauler and converting, for quality purposes.
@@lauravictorious4670 If I may offer a bit of advice? Do a lot of research, you can't change the bones once you begin! For all season, an "all aluminum" (frame included) unit works best, they are also lighter and easier to tow. Ask questions about the axle/suspension, upgrade to disk breaks if available. (aftermarket available too) Some companies use cheap axles! They should also have all "LED" lights, and high quality wiring. Take a good flashlight and look at everything! Top of roof, under frame, everything! Spending more $$ for a higher quality unit will make you much happier down the road with your build!! Have fun, and enjoy it! Wishing you good luck!! I think it's really the best way to go!! 8) --gary
@@gtr1952 I lean towards toy haulers, I like that the back end opens up completely and they tend to be built on a better frame, but I do loads of research and will weigh all options. Thanks.
I love Blue Ox channel. Its amazing how detailed they are. I started following them after your video of channels that yall follow.
Thanks for the shout out guys...as you know, we have the well being of every customer at heart....like a dawg searching for a bone😂
You guys are the best out there. 🙌
Oh man, I thought I was doing so good I spotted a bunch of issues and now I just feel sick now. Why couldn't you have come out with this yesterday. I signed the paperwork yesterday.
Sorry to hear. We have talked about always getting a certified RV inspection prior to buying an RV. We have a video coming out in the near future that will make your head spin.
You should still have a timeframe, after the sale, to legally cancel it. Of course that depends on the laws in your state. Some have a "lemon law" for such reasons.
This is great information! My husband and I are looking into just something small - B or smaller C. Been watching videos, noting things we like or don’t like. Mainly just for quick getaways. Thanks for helping us ‘newbie’s’ make good informed choices 😊
Really good video. I bought a used travel trailer…it was a disaster. I should’ve got an inspection before I bought it. Water intrusion was the major issue (and there were lots of other issues). Granted, I was a newbie and too trusting. So we bought a brand new one and still have issues…although not as bad. What is sooo frustrating is that these small issues (that can cause major damage) could nearly all be eliminated with such little effort by manufacturer with greater quality control!!!
We purchased new in 2015, BigHorn by Heartland, I agree that all RV’s have issues and not one is perfect. But we did have some structural issues about 2019 were we noticed a crack in the corner of the slide out frame on the fiberglass, it cost us about $6,000 to have it repaired. It was found that the tack welds done by the manufacturer were bad welds so the wall had to be removed and reinforcement added and welded in, as well as the fiberglass needed to be redone. I tried to work with the manufacturer but they gave me the run around so I reported it as a safety issue to a government web site within 2 weeks I got an email and call from Heartland that they wanted to assist. They reimburse me for the cost of the repairs but it was a pain to get it all worked out. Of course no matter what kind of inspection or thorough inspection that issue would not have been found.
I have had some minor issues like drawer bottoms falling through, or other maintenance things like black and gray tank valves or breaks, and bearings but these are wear and tear and I have thought myself to do the work, I just replaced the flooring on my RV, one of the hardest jobs I have had to do. Other than that one major issue it has been a great RV and because we are so familiar with it, and know the systems we will probably keep it until we no longer use it.
No inspections on the last two used motorhomes. We looked at every nook and cranny for water leaks and called it good. It is a point in time of the condition because as it heads down the road - things break! Both were fine; just little D.I.Y. stuff popped up. I think if I was going to get a new one I would do the inspection because of the poor quality. Mt brother went through three travel trailers in one year due to poor quality - the middle one was taken back by the manufacturer because there was no fix! The other two were in the shop under warranty for longer than he used them. He bailed during COVID to get his money back. He is OCD about mechanical things so RV's and him are not a good fit.
Interesting video. Funny, I have never had an inspection of a used car, except 1 classic car that was over a thousand miles away, or a RV. I’m 61 and have owned a hundred cars ( I like cars and classic cars, plus for my family) and over a dozen RVs of every type, including several motorhomes, and have never had a professional inspection. I’m not saying it’s not a good idea because it is but in my case, I always felt that I was knowledgeable enough to do my own thorough inspections. I can honestly say that I have never had a lemon for any of the vehicles or RVs. Sounds crazy but I tend to have the absolute best luck with vehicles, I’m also very, very OCD about them so I think that helps. Thanks for sharing!👍
Like Mark Martin says when talking about his new Newell. “ it takes 18 months to get it right”.
It took 18 months and 3 trips to Forest City, Iowa to get my 2020 Horizon 42Q where it should be.
But, now it’s absolutely perfect. Next, it needs to be kept up every year.
The best part Winnebago has a 3 year warranty on everything they do and I recommend use your new RV so you can take care of it under that Manufacturer warranty. If you rarely use your RV it may take longer to find the issues.
Isn’t it a shame you had to travel back to Forest City 3 times to get it correct when it should have been that way from the factory? That is the big issue with the RV industry that we want people to be aware of before they get into the RV lifestyle.
It was actually good, because they fixed it all perfect. I don’t think a dealership repair shop could have done all that need to be done correctly. The factory service know their own units and know exact,y how to fix them. I was prepared for the factory visits. We just made a trip out of it and had other stops in the Midwest. What they did in 5 days would take several months at a dealership service.
If your RV isn’t leaking you haven’t found it yet. 🙂My dream is to buy an RV plan travel with the family and the feline . I plan to use blue ox.
Hand built isn't the issue, the car industry has the same problem. Just google Ford F-150 engine issues. It's non-stop.
We bought a used 2000 travel trailer and have been very lucky with the items that have broken. All fixable. No water damage even after California's worse winter. I went out to storage to check inside assuming I would find something wet. Nothing!
All I have is an older slide in pop up but that was was still a very interesting video to me. Great job!
Everyone gets a home inspection on a new house or a mechanics inspection on a used car. Why would you assume an RV doesn't need one. I have been planning on have my new 24 Georgetown inspected I look forward to seeing if we can connect.
I paid $500 for an inspection prior to buying my Roadtrek and saved $3,000 off the price.
2019 Tiffin 36UA, Dealer allowed us to inspect ahead of delivery when it arrived, spent 3 hours, found some minor issues, nothing big except loose toilet in half bath, we did not hire, we inspected ourselves, brought everything we needed to inspect, even a blow dryer to plug in to ensure good power. $25K later some typical issues from the travels, and some "owner created issues" if we buy another we may invest in an independent inspection
My husband was looking at travel trailers... until one sales guy on TH-cam said, "after your first trip with it you'll bring it in to me for some repairs. Because it's basically a moving box on wheels being shaken and shimmied as you drive down the road." He stopped looking after that. We might go with a used popup for short weekend camping trips. Anything longer and we'll get hotels.
That’s the big BS line the RV industry likes to use for poor quality.
Inspection always 👍🏻
Always. 🙌
Thank you Izzy and MJ for this video. I love when you do videos like this. It helps me out by saying we need our Rvs inspected before we bring them home. I would hire an inspector to inspect my Rv. After seeing Blue Ox on the Run they telling me to do so. Glad we have that couple around to help. Thank you Izzy and MJ.
Thank you Sherri !
You make us feel like we're not doing this in vain !😘
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You’re very welcome! I can tell you aren’t doing this in vein. It’s the real deal!
I had the pleasure of speaking to Pierre and Laurel when I wanted an inspection, but they were not in my area (GA) so I had to get another inspector, but luckily the only things he found on my 2023 Entegra Esteem were some loose or missing screws! I guess I got lucky!
Glad to hear that ! So you got yourself a good one...? I'm talking about the RV for sure 😅
Great work these people are doing!
Well the Rolls Royce Automobiles are handmade. Never heard of problems with that product. Spending 3 million and at that level there are still problems out the gate. It’s a disgrace.
Thank you.
Fantastic interview ❤
Thank you ED😊
I believe you because we have to keep resting out thermostat in breaker box
Awesome video! Keep up the great work 😊. Lisa
Thank you
A LOT of post hurricane (Ian) rigs being dumped in FLorida= water intrusion.
All I can say is BUY THE EXTENDED SERVICE PLAN. It's not "if" it's "when" it's going to break. You can't have something bouncing down the road and not expect problems. Stay safe.
there are two sources of defects in RVs -- 1) the manufacturer, 2) the user (owner, operator, whatever you want to call the person who actually uses the RV).
I have an '83 Avion 35' trailer that I got for a song and is in really good condition overall (some rust in outrigger areas (steel) but overall not falling apart) but there IS some evidence of water leaks (stained rivets in the ceiling, etc.). But over the 40 years of use I don't think even once anyone has gone up to clean the roof of pine needles that hold onto water after it rains or inspect (let alone replace) seals around critical areas.
I've watched a number of these videos on RVs and many have said that RV manufacturing isn't what it used to be. "Hand made" with pride and precision isn't the same thing as "hand made" and you're in a hurry or cutting corners to improve your bottom line. That's the manufacturer's dilemma and how to address that I'm not sure ("vote w/ your pocketbook"?).
But as an owner, regardless of the condition the vehicle may have been in new, you can extend the life immensely by spending time (and a little effort and expense) in maintaining the unit. While I'm very fond of the Avion I have now, I just wonder what it might have been like had the previous owner paid more attention to keeping it pristine while he owned it.
It seems whether it's a vehicle or relationship (just to name a couple examples), over time people tend to lose interest -- and when that happens, things deteriorate. Bringing them back to their former glory typically takes (in the long run) more of everything compared to what might have been the case if a little attention, exercised often, had been done.
I look at it as, buy an RV then spend the first three months doing shake down trips and repairs/upgrades to get it right and the way you want it. Rinse and repeat.
Off topic here... You did a video where you mentioned that the photos on your walls were metal and at the time I didn't note where they came from... and no clue from which video. Thanks. Also, this video makes me what to hang onto my 2003 Sunline forever. In all these years, the only problem was the roof began to leak from being stored in full sun in a field for it's first 15 years. Our fault, not the manufacturer. Repaired now, but I am absolutely appalled at the crappy workmanship in brands (like Jayco) that had an excellent reputation for a well built product. Love going to RV shows, but scared to buy.
Inspectors are your bess friend when buying a rig ....
You got that right. 👍
It is like a buying a horse. The owner say my horse have no problem. Protect yourself have a expert, tell you there no problems or is a problems.
I would LOVE to have a set of Snap Pads. But I only need 2, and they only sell them in sets of 4. 😖 and since they last for a long time, I would never need the second pair. So I have to live without them. 😢
Unless you can find someone who wants the extra two, and you split the cost.
don't see a lot of truth being spoke in the RV world... great job guys.
Thank you.
Although RV's are built to run up and down the road ,they are not built to go up and down the road.
The quaility will improve when only one thing happens, people stop buying them and we know that will not happen anytime soon, myself included.
Exactly 😂 job security for us !
@@pierrefortin8687 Dr. Demming would be turning in his grave!
Never had this problem with tiffin motorhome. Have owned 4 and they are all perfect
Thanks for sharing. Here is one that was far from perfect.
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What happens when the find all these items in the RV. Do the sales department repair them or do clients just move on to another RV?
Great video. Goes back to you can't trust salesman.
That depends on the client
Nice I live in Massachusetts keep up the good work
What do you you want to bet the next airliner you step onto has something broken on it? :-)
Ouch.. and I hate flying😢
I am shocked ALL RV's got problems like this. Such poor quality for that amount of money; that's crazy.
They sell RV to do one thing make the dealerships money. As soon as you sign the papers and drive it off the lot most dealers will ghost you till your warranty runs out. It does not matter how much it costs.
Blue Ox on the Run has a great channel and I am always impressed with the attention to detail they bring to each inspection. I wish I had used them before I bought my Thor Magnitude.
Couldn't agree more!
Appreciate the compliment Robert 😊
@@pierrefortin8687 Hoping an honest statement will drive new viewers to your channel. In my advanced years, I have become a fanboy 😵💫
Maybe prospective RV buyers would be better off sleeping in minivans and pulling small cargo trailers for their stuff. Cars seem to have higher building standards than RV's.
Yes they would
That's why those who can, often do just that. Looking at my own options.
Indeed!!!
How frustrating for people paying alot of money for a RV only to find out it's a piece of junk. We were looking at buying a new RV to replace our 1988 class C. After a lot of research we decided to keep the old girl and put $$ into upgrading. We have not one leak in our RV. We also don't have any slides and don't like them. Sure having more room is great but you are inviting water into you RV. I mean the rv industry thinks the solve the problem by putting those ridiculous little awnings over the slides.
Firstly I wouldn’t dream of buying any RV without a full independent inspection. New or used expensive or not something is going to be trouble. The standards of construction are not adequate for the money being asked and appear to be getting worse. Doors don’t fit and the hinges are not correctly installed. Roofs are another disaster area as the majority of people feel unsafe just looking.
One of my biggest concerns is the risk of fire 🔥 due to the electricity system being overlooked and wired incorrectly or, rat infestation where they simply chew through wires and anything else. It’s a big problem and it’s your life at risk to be blunt. RVS are something that sounds like being free to explore the country but it’s definitely not worth the money that’s being asked. Until manufacturers start taking these issues seriously and making the appropriate changes to their standards you will need to have many thousands of dollars for immediate repairs and then ongoing issues. IF you can afford it given the problems heading your way than go ahead with your inspection and negotiate a price that will include everything likely to happen in year one and thereafter start saving for subsequent years of troubles.
It’s time for legalisation to protect the buyers and hold manufacturers fully accountable. The money they are making out of substandard units is daylight robbery in my opinion. I’m predicting that at least half of all manufacturers will be bankrupt within the next five years unless they change their products and standards now.
Brilliant video you guys!!!
Thanks Lorrie
RV.....Rolling challenges all the time!
It’s all about the problems you can and can’t live with.
Do brand new class B's need inspection? Have folks had problems with these rigs right out the gate? Thinking of buying! I would appreciate the helpful input here.
Yes they have problems and yes they should be inspected.
I suppose if it stays home and doesn't move, it will be all right!!!
Holly Molly Andy! this is bad.
Nice!
This is the problem with most of today's items there is no quality control the manufactures push the workers to produce And theese companies seem to be making greater And greater profits. Right across the board the consumer is being screwed! It seems to me the more you pay more headache you have actually bought.
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This is not shocking. RV's are Crap, absolutely no fit & finish on anything, manufacturers rely on large amounts of Caulking. Water damage is an absolute. RV's are not an Investment and depreciate 50% the minute you drive of the Lot. Used campers are everywhere. Junk, Junk and More Junk.
the best rv to ride in is the one owned by someone else. they are all money pits and we gave up on them long ago. if we want to camp, we rent a cabin. when you put bathroom and kitchen appliances in a vehicle that is moving down the road, rocking, bouncing, swaying, the rv will fail. they ALL do. Technology hasn't figured out how to build a house on wheels. can't be done.
A trailer is a trailer is a trailer.
Oh MY God!
Why isn't this industry regulated?
Indiana RV lobby is strong. Wait a few weeks for another video we have coming out your mind will be blown
Hey, are they still around? We’d like them to come out to our place and check out our 2021 Newmar Dutch Star b/4 we leave for Newmar on Friday
Where are you located?
In PA and now heading to MA😊😊
Seems like it is very expensive all the way around. No interest....
I know I will need an inspection but don't know how to check the background of the inspectors? The timing is my other delema if I go to a show of dealership can I get an inspection prior to the sale? Thank you for your info.
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