I'm still unsure about story but for me Jedi Survivor was superior in quite literally everything. It really felt Respawn has listened to many criticisms (other than the fps drops & bugs) & wants and really try to outdo themselves.
I always felt Cal's personality being milder and his lacking some confidence made sense storywise in FO. After all, Cal has essentially been alone in hiding dealing with trauma, always looking over his shoulder, and keeping his head down to avoid capture for 5 years. He seems like a deer caught in headlights when he's first taken aboard the Mantis. So it was nice in the first game to see him slowly open up and be more vulnerable around the others as he began dealing with the PTSD and guilt Order 66 caused. You see his personality slowly develop and after 5 years of being a Jedi Knight out in the field, his personality starts to shine through at the beginning of and during Survivor.
But the realism of the facial animations in both games is just terrible, really hope the 3rd game made in UE5 with teåhe new metahuman AI technologies can fix that, cutscenes should be as realistic as live action movies and shows.
The death of rayvis made me so sad man. I can’t explain how much it struck me. He was a difficult boss for me and I wanted to beat him so bad but then the boss battle ends and his dialogue begins and he’s killed. It’s just so sad
@@freec1261 I don’t think ninth was a gen’daii. And nah man’s got decapitated. In most fantasy series, that’s usually the way to kill regenerating foes.
The only problem i have with survivor is how quickly Cal gets over his wounds. Slashed across the chest by a lightsaber? Fine within minutes. Shot by a blaster in the shoulder by Bode? Never mentioned.
@@Xol_Will_of_the_Divorce but why? Bode literally had no reason to shoot Cordova or to betray anyone because the hidden path wouldn’t have really even put them at that much more risk
@@filmetiquette2409 That's definitely not true. All it would take was 1 Imperial Spy to infiltrate the Hidden Path and get to Tanalorr and the Empire would come knocking. As a spy himself Bode knows this.
@@filmetiquette2409 Killed Cordova so there were less Jedi he would have to worry about and Cal and the others wanted to share Tanalor with more people which means that there would have been a good chance the empire would have eventually found them
Survivor is to Fallen Order as Tears of the Kingdom is to Breath of the Wild. Its a stellar sequel that builds on the mechanics of the original and adds mechanics of its own and makes everything a good time
But botw and totk are fully developed huge games, FO is more like a test to see if respawn can make good single player game. Survivor is the full fledged vision of respawn, they’ve made an actual full game. It’s more like Arkham asylum to Arkham city.
I will say, when Bode was beating the shit out of Cal and the screen goes black and then says "Embrace the dark side," that was one of the coolest moments in any video game I've ever seen (I don't play many singleplayer games)
Yeah, except for me any excitement was immediately diminished by the cue letting me know that that option was Unbound. I just started spamming my whole keyboard, and I think eventually I figured out it was linked to 4.
The problem I have with Survivor's planets compared to Fallen Order is that it just feels like the entire story is bouncing back and forth from Koboh to it's moon whereas in Fallen Order, you're travelling from planet to planet across the galaxy. I don't know why they couldn't just make each of Koboh's distinct areas different planets - Koboh is the outpost and Raiders' base, High Republic stuff on another planet, swamp on another planet, etc. Then it would have felt more varied. To me it was a bit boring, even if the planet itself is diverse.
Yeah some what feeling de javu like "Wait the High Republic Bulding is here? How the F the Raider ain't brute force the door and soon" or "you again". Koboh is quite varied, from swam to the desert like area, but still it is too pack for a planet and bit too much.
@@astronot_teladanTeladan yeah i agree and maybe could've been broken up to yknow, increase performance on that world, because that world alone was so laggy for me
The Story of Fallen Order and Survivor are actually very easy to compare to A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back. The first one has a relatively simple plot with some memorable if simple characters, very well structured and to the point, much like Ep.4 Survivor on the other hand is more focused on character than it is on plot, the most memorable parts are the emotions and reactions rather than the events themselves, just like Ep.5
Survivors villains felt pretty lackluster, especially Dagan. I did like Rayvis but its criminal we didnt kill him with the giant array laser you see a little before his fight. Like it literally obliterates whatever goes inside, perfect to destroy a Gendaii.
wouldn't go that far but I thought Gendaii i thought was bit lack luster due to the twist they decided to put in the game. I'll be honest i didn't see it coming to till about the second trip to jedha because gamer sense came in and thought. Alright things are going a little to smoothly. Then the campfire scene knew exactly what was coming next.
Ultimately I do think the games are comparable (each better at certain things), and I would encourage people to play them in order. You don't have to, they can be played as stand alone, but I believe you'll enjoy the experience more.
The Fallen Order has more planets and a better story. Survivor's worlds are sort of orangey, whereas Fallen Order has more diversity. Survivor's main antagonist was not that interesting. Suddenly doing away with Dagan Gera also left a vacuum of a sort in the narrative and the whole High Republic story didn't feel that important, more like red herring. On the other hand, characterization, gameplay, visuals are better in Survivor.
Survivors worlds are a lot better imo. if we’re talking directly about the story then you could say fallen order, but there is 10x more to do in survivor outside the story. (Like side quests and exploring)
@@jonahcannon2820 They're larger and, yes, also better. However, there's lot more platforming in Survivor than there was in TFO. It's like Cal can't go five metres into any direction without making a one-kilometre detour.
@@dankokamcevski exactly man.. everytime I arrived on a new world I was afraid to explore anywhere that wasn’t the main objective because I knew I would get side tracked for 30minutes on one single open area
@@Kxvca Yeah but that one dimensionality in exploring comes back later to bite your ass when you beat Fallen Order and you wanna explore and you just go through the same places. At that point there's no reason to play the game to explore anymore since you've basically gone everywhere in the story. The only place that comes to mind that isn't like that in Fallen Order is the crashed Venator on Zeffo Survivor gives you a wider map and more content with it so that you can visist alot more places and take alot of detours post game The only people that would hate Survivor's map are the people who want a game that doesn't take long to complete or they want a game that you can stop playing when you finish the story since there's no other stuff to do
I’m glad you can’t customise the mantis in survivor. It makes sense Cal would change his hair and clothes. It makes sense he would use new parts on his lightsaber and bd1, but it isn’t really believable that he would change the colour of the mantis.
Sorry why not it would be sick and so if it not realistic nothing is realistic about cal being about to completely change his outfit and hair on the go
I like the story and villains in Fallen Order better. I think Survivor is better in most other ways, although there are too many jumping puzzles. The open world exploration and NPC interactions/missions are a nice addition.
The platforming or what you funnily called “jump puzzles” is the best part of the game. It’s about 60% of the game too, the combat is lacking compared to most other games. Also the exploration is inherently interwoven with the platforming and puzzles and is why it’s so good.
Yeah bro the story was so much better you were able to just FEEL everything that happened because not as much happened which gave you time to process it. Survivor gave you no time to process anything at all it just threw a ton of stuff in your face and hoped you got emotional about it
@@hartsickdisciple it’s a fucking video game, the story is secondary to gameplay. And the platforming was the best part, definitely wasn’t the shitty combat, constant ganks.
@@Enoo_ I disagree. It's a Star Wars video game, so story is very important. I don't think that much platforming is a good thing. There have been other excellent Star Wars games without much platforming (Jedi Knight, Outcast, Academy).
Id love to see them scale 3 or 4 planets equally in size to have the best of both worlds when it comes to how many planets we can visit, and how much time we spend on those planets. I dont think its probable, but i think it would be super neat to have a infamous like morality system, with skill trees for both dark, and light side abilities. Maybe we could keep the same stances from survivor, but rather instead of stances, add combat styles. Idk how that would work but it seems like a decent idea. I would also like to see more human based enemies with more variaties. Im not the biggest fan of fighting creatures. Id like to be able to fight some mini bosses that wield lightsabers that can respawn when meditating.
For me personally: Fallen Order - - Performance (I’ve had a couple glitches here and there on Survivor, even after all the patches, kinda obvs to have it here) - Story (maybe I’m just a simple guy but I liked Fallen Orders story more. Don’t get me wrong, I loved Survivors story, but if I wanted to replay any of these for just the story alone, it’d be Fallen Order) - Planets (I think I liked the fact that each planet was a complete different biome and, despite the problems mapping around Zeffo, I just liked exploring these planets more. If Survivor had more planets, maybe something Lush or Snowy, just to contrast with the other planets, then maybe I’d give this point to Survivor) Survivor - - Characters (No brainer really. Really enjoyed each of the Mantis Crew this game, everyone just had that bit more of depth added to them and each just even more likeable as before. Then you’ve got the side characters of Skoova, Turgle, Ashe, Caij, the high republic droid, the chiss dude, each one of them and more are just so interesting and I’m always excited to interact with them to find out more about them. Only issue for me is I wish we explore more of the villains in this game. The politician at the start, maybe cos he was marketed a lot, I thought he’d be of more importance but🤷🏼♂️ Feel like Dagan also could’ve been explored more other than having an unhealthy obsession. Kinda wish we didn’t have to kill Rayvis and just leave him free and have him maybe ally us in the future, but gotta respect his culture. Bode I feel is the best of the villains. And we still learn more of him even after the boss battle so that’s kinda cool too.) - Gameplay (Also a no brainer, altho, maybe it’s an unpopular opinion, but I do miss the tombs. Those puzzles were challenging and kinda fun. The High Republic vaults don’t really live up to that for me. But one thing that really sold me on Survivor having this point, is some of the traversal skills. ESPECIALLY, Merrins gadget thing that allows you to travel through the green barriers. Man was that act on Jedha with the giant droid so much fun to do! Genuinely my favourite part of the game. And the high republic gadget was fun to use, the animals were fun to travel with, and ofc the combat is phenomenal, my favourite being the dual wield.) - Progression (Yeah I like both, but Survivor improves on what Fallen Order had) - Customisation (Again, no brainer here, being able to customise practically everything is a very good feature! Just a shame we couldn’t upgrade the Stinger Mantis aswell. Strange decision to remove that tbh lol) Overall - Fallen Order 3-4 Survivor Very close matchup! Excited to see how the third game will compare to this! (hopefully an improvement on all fronts, but that might be difficult in some sections considering how good they are now)
Fallen Order wins on the planets on it's not even close because in Survivor literally 90% of the entire game is spent on Koboh and it's just constantly running places you've already been over and over and over.
I agree that Survivor has the better story but just by a little and almost everything else is a big improvement. The ONLY thing I think I would say Fallen Order did well is the variety in planets
Not the only thing they did well but the only thing they did better you mean. And I agree even though there was more to explore in survivor, I feel like kobo is a little boring and the planets are all similar (+the imperial base and coruscant are tiny). But I get why it was important to make kobo massive and I do find that impressive
@@oliverlewis3126 Koboh gets a lot better for me the more you explore post-Rayvis fight but yeah the planet itself doesn't feel that visually unique, more of a blend of space station & Jedha's aesthetic
@@dequasont1063 Yeah the planets in Survivor feel like real areas and not linear levels disguised like full areas. Just saying the enviroments were more varied
fallen order run smooth as butter, has a much more focused story and level design its my favourite out of the two and somehow survivor's combat feels even clunkier than fallen order
JS is just the superior game in my opinion. So much more to do and a greater story. Not to say JFO is lackluster though, it’s amazing. I love both so much
Is Survivor better than Fallen Order? Yes, almost in every aspect. Does that mean you should skip Fallen Order and head straight to Survivor? Absolutely not, they both are amazing games, the best we got from the EA exclusive decade, and my personal favorites of all Star Wars games.
Yes, the super safe life where they'd be alone on a planet where she had no-one but Dad, would eventually watch him die an then be completely alone. What a lovely future that would have been for Kata. Even after Cal kills her father she's pretty cool with it because that future was abysmal.
1:10 That's the most Imperial looking Imperial/ISB Officer I've ever seen. With that mullet, mustache, and the American accent, there's no way Imperial _Intelligence_ will ever suspect a thing.
It may sound wired but it's not a fair comparison as Survivor is built on top of Fallen Order. And with that being said, you expect of course the sequel to be better but my experience with Survivor although it was very fun and more immersive , Fallen Order was smoother in gameplay, almost bug free, and though not as big as Survivor, it was deeper, darker. In conclusion I would say, judging both of them as stand alone games, they are the same overall as an experience, a cool experience of course.
On the story my opinion is that they tell two parts of the same story and so it's hard to actually pick them against each other since they are the same whole.
22:48 truer words have never been spoken. in survivor I’ve died so many times because I rely on the dodge/evade but Cal just doesn’t react at all. It’s why I died to Spawn of Oggdo so many times.
I liked both games. I got survivor with the purchase of a new Ryzen cpu and I bought fallen order for $12. I never played fallen order when it came out but I figured it was worth a try at $12. This approach allowed survivor to bake in the oven a bit more to iron out the bugs. Once I completed fallen order, survivor had received a few patches and now was ready to enjoy. I completed the game and I found that both games compliment each other. I hope the next game is just as good as the first two.
As a game I say survivor wins hands down, but as a story I think fallen order just edges it put, for me I don't think survivor kicks into high gear until right before the final fight with Dagen. Meanwhile fallen order is giving it all as soon as the 2nd sister shows up
Jedi Fallen Order was a fantastic game, but Jedi Survivor did absolutely everything better. I played on PS5 and had no issues other than random crashes every once in a while. But this is nothing new for games on day 1-2. Especially with 10 hour sessions. So I'm not holding that against it. If they can do to the 3rd game like the 2nd game did to the first game, then we'll probably get the greatest Star Wars game ever made. Beating Kotor and the likes. Either way, fantastic additions to the Star Wars universe.
na man. character wise (especially villain wise) fallen order take the cake. in survivor alot of the villains actions didnt make sense. Degan Gera was freed by cal and instead of thanking him he attacks him as soon as he finds out hes a jedi? wheres the reason in that? also bode not wanting to have other people find shelter at Tanalorr cause he wanted his daughter to be safe is dumb. sure she would be safe but with nobody to make friends with her own age would have stunted her growth. in short most of the villains reasoning was half baked and made it feel a little lazy. the only solid villain was Rayvis.
Order was better. Unfortunately everyone think "bigger is better" but it's not. Survivour is a bigger but unfinished and unpolished game in quite every aspect.
Forgive me if I’m wrong, but in the legends cannon didn’t the Jedi of the old republic go for a mix of the dark and the light side of the force. They strived for a balance right? So I’m more ways than one Cal would be more of a Jedi than some of the recent ones right?
Egh, I disagree on the 'struggling with the Darkside' being an improvement on Cal. It's done to death in Star Wars and happens so bloody often that it's a wonder the Jedi Order lasted 5 minutes, much less thousands of years. Also, if they want Cal going completely over the edge to the Darkside for a while to be a thing in the next game, then I don't see a convincing way for them to do it that doesn't involve killing Merrin. Which will suck.
the only problem i have is that i have to upgrade to a 3060 ti to have 60 + fps im with a 1650 4 gb finished the game on jedi grand master with 30 - 50 fps and that the game is 128 GB i cant have many other games if i want to play it unlike fallen order only taking 55 GB both games are amazing
just got this game and i use high preset and the fps is everything from 35fps to 75fps so alot up n down in this 1 sadly. 1st thing i felt was the visuals that looked worse in this game i think(or atleast during the 1st part of the newer game) is this so?? So the little i played this today i dont know if i really like it or not(but will keep on playing it a little more tomorrow n hope for the best) rtx3060 i5 12400f seems to be good enough ,but the fps drops are pretty insane vs previous game where i had no issue w this at all.... Thanks 4 video
The first Jedi game will always be special to me because it was the first game ever that I got day 1, and I have all the figures, the posters, and was building the LEGO set as I watched this, however, I had a absolute blast with Survivor, and it was a great improvement. But due to emotional biased, the first one will always be my favorite.
I just finished the story yesterday. I was late to the game because it was crashing on me on release, and I only just checked if it got better. It did, and I love the game. It feels like it's a game from Star Wars fans for Star Wars fans. Looking forward to see more like it.
Well I personally think that Jedi survivor just has to much customisation. I mean it’s kinda wierd if u can literally change cals hole look and it just feels not right. Maybe a bit ist good but they just did to much … but no doubt still both are really gods games
It was nice to see the Devs address customisation, but ultimately it felt like there was just too much shit. I found that one outfit I was ok with and kinda just ignored it after that.
In terms of performance. I just completed Fallen order last month and I’m playing survivor now so I didn’t have the launch glitches with survivor. However like I said I just played fallen order last month and i found it to be way more glitchier than survivor
Both stories were damn close for me, however Fallen Order has the more immediately compelling and tighter story for me. In survivor the first act and a bit are a little meandering and has wonky pacing for me.
I found Survivor kinda bland in gameplay. It was always just more of the same. Fallen Order shook things up with some exciting cinematic calibre sequences and boss fights that I just didn't get from the sequel. But the world and map were much better designed in survivor. I wasn't getting lost like the first game.
My main complaint with Fallen Order is that you physically can't backtrack. Especially Kashyyyk and Dathomir. You get to a certain point and then you can't go back. You have to go to all the way round, the same route as the main story, but at least on Kashyyyk there's a fast travel shyyo bird. On Dathomir you go down and if you didn't unlock the elevators, you had to go through the caves, swamps and the Nightbrother village. I'm glad Survivor added fast travel.
good news performance wise i played through it on a 1050ti andhada solid 30 to 40 frames the whole time except for the opening cutscene with all the companies that made it and such
I love survivor’s mechanics much more and will never miss spending hours on zeffo’s crappy map, but I consider the two equals in terms of storytelling. I really liked Fallen Order and there’s just something about it that hits different.
The direction they hinted at for the next game could make cal a re adapted version of star killer. Fallen order, i thought cal was interesting but not my favorite. Survivor made me realize how great of a character he is and could be.
Although I liked Fallen Order, I felt this was some sort of "obvious" game. When I was 14, one day I played both Bloodborne and the Force Unleashed on a row... And after a while I had this crazy idea of having a soulsborne game about a rougue Jedi fighting against the empire. I even created my very own control scheme (which I'm currently using in Survivor) and it played pretty much the same. I even had the idea of including a force time-shift mechanic, similar to the one used by Spiderman 2099 in the Edge of Time video-game. It was obvious that all of this mechanics could work on a force user SW game, and Fallen Order's story wasn't that interesting to me. On the other hand, although Survivor is more of the same, everything felt darker and way bigger on scale. I loved the idea of bringing a High Republic Jedi to the imperial era (like somo sort Captain America). It felt better than another story of another Jedi that survived the order 66 and now is keeping a low life in order to survive.
the first one was okay.. solid. Jedi Survivor is really good. Same broken game problems of every game released anymore it seems. Was better to wait a year after release to play it. His ability to "shatter" as Revan and Mace and access both dark and light, makes him so powerful yet fun for gameplay, creates many problems if we are to accept it as canon included in the first six movies. And the only lore following way to play the game he has to wield a purple lightsaber. Because he definitely isn't a guardian or counselor.
What’s crazy is for all cal knows he’s really the last Jedi. One of the tragic things about this time period is all this Jedi think they are fighting alone but they aren’t the only one and if they only knew that ….smh
One thing i don't like about the reviews of jedi survivors story is the hate on dagan and the point they miss with bode, i mention bode cuz you can tell people didn't 100% the game or play after the end credits. Iff you explore after that you literally find all bode's echo's and understand how conflicted and almost persuaded by cal he was at almost every single turn they were together. Even when he asked cal "if the empire attacks, will you protect my little girl?" Cal had no response for that. As for Dagan, how the hell do people look at Rayvis and go yeah high and mighty guy has a code then look at Dagan and don't see him as the same elitist who lost everything with no chance to grieve, had a plan, got turned down then he takes matters to his own hands and gets betrayed by the love of his life and instantly trapped for centuries reliving those same moments over and over in his head but nah he's just a cry baby to everyone that does these damn videos
Being better in story than Disney lately is a pretty low bar to clear... that said, very good story although moments in the writing were a little on the nose with messaging for me. The "I found myself" sentiment for example is something I roll my eyes at every time hear it so hearing merrin say it after how hard it was telegraphed just made me groan
The story of the first game was definitely better than the new one, however I think they really improved on the gameplay aspect for Jedi: Survivor. Cal and Merrin’s relationship was handled perfectly and Bode’s betrayal wasn’t very unexpected! I think the two main villains in Darth Scrote and Dagan were criminally underused, and just showed up in the story at random times. Despite some grips with the gameplay/customization of the first game and the story of the second, they are both some of my favorite video games ever! Great video, lots of great points!
I’m eagerly waiting for Jedi 3, (wall of text incoming) Really loved the first one, it’s characters, story, and just everything about it felt like a genuine adventure, gow and that game had a similar mysticism and unique atmosphere to them that made them so immersive, and I just loved the fact that the Star Wars aspects was done so well for it too Survivor introduced so many awesome concepts and features, multiple lightsaber stances, way bigger open world like planets, non linear side content that feels rich but also very quantitative, graphics and textures were all great, and for some reason I’m having a brain fart and can’t remember the rest of the things that they pushed forward with, but I love how they genuinely tried something new and are pushing the games DNA forward and not just rehashing it However I have a huge problem with this game, and that’s that mainly the gameplay itself is very lackluster. Now some may disagree, and that’s fine but let me say this, I’m a huge combat and gameplay guy, don’t want to be full of myself but I’d say I’m farely competent when it comes to understanding and using great combat systems, and Jedi survivor has insane POTENTIAL but it’s just not being used great. The idea of a Jedi, with 5 interlocked lightsaber styles, unique force abilites to weave into basic combat, a blaster on top of that, with cool unique gadgets and a droid, as well as tapping into the dark side a bit has so much gameplay potential that I feel what we got instead were ridgid, sloppy animations and no animation canceling for all stances, very limited abilites and we can’t use all stances together, enemy design that by themselves is good, but when paired with even one other enemy it’s just not really enjoyable and quite honestly unfair at times, and your force powers feel like they can only be used by themselves with one or two genuinely creative combos, where as it would’ve been cool if they were more integrated and weaved into base combat fluidly instead of some clunky controls that put a stake in your flow. Overall I think the combat needs to try to stray away a bit from its “souls like” nature, I think that aspect should be reserved mainly for enemy design, but player agency and control should lean more towards fluid, fast paced and combo based combat mechanics such as god of war or something like that, and maybe taking a page from battlefront 2, as I think the light saber animations, fluidity, quick pacing, and visual flare would be so good for this game I’ve always liked the idea of mixing multiple genres into one gameplay system, as if done properly could be amazing but I feel like they did it poorly here. I’d just like to know that I fan enjoy everything the game has to offer, while knowing that the combat itself is also superb and let’s me feel like I’m in control and it’s super creative and fluid with a plethora of abilites and options to choose from That’s why I’m excited for Jedi 3, as good as stig asmussen was, I think the gameplay was a detriment to the series overall, so hopefully with new leadership that changes and most of the aspects of this series is a lot stronger (note: I also would love for them to expand on the galaxy aspect of this series, letting us visit more planets, some bigger than others but I’m not an idiot and I understand that’s a Tremendous ask as somethjng like that would take an abundance of time, budget, and technical issues that might not even be worth the trouble, I guess I just have this itch of piloting a space ship and visiting these iconic planets on a whim) Also I have to say, originally I thought survivors story was pretty bad, but while I still go this day think FO’s is better, I’ve grown to really appreciate survivors story, I think I would have liked it better if they handled certain characters and events better such as dagan gera, bodes betrayal, the overall pacing should’ve been a lot longer, and I wish we visited more diverse planets because they all kinda felt the same and it felt like I kept constantly revisiting kobo and jedha. I’m a sucker for cool concepts and themes, especially betrayal, old history meeting new history, struggling between light and dark etc, so it’s a shame that the end result was decent but underwhelming. I genuinely think they set up some very interesting things for the third game, raising a daughter of your former freind turned backstabber, either having to protect or abandon tanalor, dealing with ceres death and the death of his crew, his flirting with the dark side that occasionally sways his judgement, and the fact that darth vader and the empire are breathing down his neck more than ever, and that’s not including any curveball they could throw at us like how they did with the high republic (which I thought was an awesome concept, a warrior from the past, fighting so hard for a better future only to see that future be a repetition of the same kind of war he just fought to bring peace, but I think they fumbled that a little but oh well I guess)
@@wb7585 I did too, but only because it felt like I was the one in control, I think the game honestly gets pretty easy just using the dual sabers, that’s why they need to cater the enemy design and other external elements that challenge that freedom, rather than flat out taking that freedom away from us.
I'm still unsure about story but for me Jedi Survivor was superior in quite literally everything. It really felt Respawn has listened to many criticisms (other than the fps drops & bugs) & wants and really try to outdo themselves.
i agree in terms of gameplay, but the story of survivor was a mixed bag. Fallen Order is one of the best star wars stories in general
I honestly really liked the story I felt like it had a lot more emotion. I also love how they were able to use battle droids as well
Survivor Story>Fallen Order Story but both were peak Star Wars
@@sharkwithahat7802 Facts the first 2 mins of each game were better than the sequels😂
Fallen order had the better story.
I always felt Cal's personality being milder and his lacking some confidence made sense storywise in FO. After all, Cal has essentially been alone in hiding dealing with trauma, always looking over his shoulder, and keeping his head down to avoid capture for 5 years. He seems like a deer caught in headlights when he's first taken aboard the Mantis. So it was nice in the first game to see him slowly open up and be more vulnerable around the others as he began dealing with the PTSD and guilt Order 66 caused. You see his personality slowly develop and after 5 years of being a Jedi Knight out in the field, his personality starts to shine through at the beginning of and during Survivor.
But the realism of the facial animations in both games is just terrible, really hope the 3rd game made in UE5 with teåhe new metahuman AI technologies can fix that, cutscenes should be as realistic as live action movies and shows.
The death of rayvis made me so sad man. I can’t explain how much it struck me. He was a difficult boss for me and I wanted to beat him so bad but then the boss battle ends and his dialogue begins and he’s killed. It’s just so sad
I mean he can come back next game like ninth sister remember those species can regenerate
@@freec1261 I don’t think ninth was a gen’daii. And nah man’s got decapitated. In most fantasy series, that’s usually the way to kill regenerating foes.
I mean ninth sister come back i didnt mean she was that species 🤷♂️
i think he's dead. He was tired of being a puppet or imprisoned and wanted a warrior's death.
I beat him first time using like 4 stims on master difficulty lol. It’s the beast boss fights that are the hardest haha
The only problem i have with survivor is how quickly Cal gets over his wounds. Slashed across the chest by a lightsaber? Fine within minutes. Shot by a blaster in the shoulder by Bode? Never mentioned.
Totally agree, that and the bode betrayal makes little to no actual sense
@Film Etiquette
But it makes so much sense.
@@Xol_Will_of_the_Divorce but why? Bode literally had no reason to shoot Cordova or to betray anyone because the hidden path wouldn’t have really even put them at that much more risk
@@filmetiquette2409 That's definitely not true. All it would take was 1 Imperial Spy to infiltrate the Hidden Path and get to Tanalorr and the Empire would come knocking. As a spy himself Bode knows this.
@@filmetiquette2409 Killed Cordova so there were less Jedi he would have to worry about and Cal and the others wanted to share Tanalor with more people which means that there would have been a good chance the empire would have eventually found them
Survivor is to Fallen Order as Tears of the Kingdom is to Breath of the Wild.
Its a stellar sequel that builds on the mechanics of the original and adds mechanics of its own and makes everything a good time
But botw and totk are fully developed huge games, FO is more like a test to see if respawn can make good single player game. Survivor is the full fledged vision of respawn, they’ve made an actual full game. It’s more like Arkham asylum to Arkham city.
@@Enoo_This.
Or Arkham City to Arkham Asylum
I will say, when Bode was beating the shit out of Cal and the screen goes black and then says "Embrace the dark side," that was one of the coolest moments in any video game I've ever seen (I don't play many singleplayer games)
I play a lot of singleplayer games and it was still one of the coolest moments.
SWEA I FELT THE SAME WAY MADE ME THINK ABOUT THE FIRST TIME YOU EVER FIGHT MANTIS ON METAL GEAR 1
Yeah, except for me any excitement was immediately diminished by the cue letting me know that that option was Unbound. I just started spamming my whole keyboard, and I think eventually I figured out it was linked to 4.
The problem I have with Survivor's planets compared to Fallen Order is that it just feels like the entire story is bouncing back and forth from Koboh to it's moon whereas in Fallen Order, you're travelling from planet to planet across the galaxy. I don't know why they couldn't just make each of Koboh's distinct areas different planets - Koboh is the outpost and Raiders' base, High Republic stuff on another planet, swamp on another planet, etc. Then it would have felt more varied. To me it was a bit boring, even if the planet itself is diverse.
Yeah some what feeling de javu like "Wait the High Republic Bulding is here? How the F the Raider ain't brute force the door and soon" or "you again". Koboh is quite varied, from swam to the desert like area, but still it is too pack for a planet and bit too much.
@@astronot_teladanTeladan yeah i agree and maybe could've been broken up to yknow, increase performance on that world, because that world alone was so laggy for me
The Story of Fallen Order and Survivor are actually very easy to compare to A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back.
The first one has a relatively simple plot with some memorable if simple characters, very well structured and to the point, much like Ep.4
Survivor on the other hand is more focused on character than it is on plot, the most memorable parts are the emotions and reactions rather than the events themselves, just like Ep.5
Great comparison. Jedi Fallen Order is incredible but Jedi: Survivor just scaled it up in just about every way.
Best part of the game. Fast travel. I don’t have to traverse 5 miles of enemy’s and cliffs to go find one version of a poncho.
lmaooo fr
But it’s fun fighting enemies to get more xp.
the game would be x10000 better if it had an “return to the mantis button” on map or at least in meditation circles
Survivors villains felt pretty lackluster, especially Dagan. I did like Rayvis but its criminal we didnt kill him with the giant array laser you see a little before his fight. Like it literally obliterates whatever goes inside, perfect to destroy a Gendaii.
Exactly
wouldn't go that far but I thought Gendaii i thought was bit lack luster due to the twist they decided to put in the game. I'll be honest i didn't see it coming to till about the second trip to jedha because gamer sense came in and thought. Alright things are going a little to smoothly. Then the campfire scene knew exactly what was coming next.
My favorite thing was that you kept some of the skill upgrades from the last game like the ground dash and other ones like the deflect while running.
Best video you've made in a long time, I love it. Keep it up man!
Ultimately I do think the games are comparable (each better at certain things), and I would encourage people to play them in order. You don't have to, they can be played as stand alone, but I believe you'll enjoy the experience more.
The Fallen Order has more planets and a better story. Survivor's worlds are sort of orangey, whereas Fallen Order has more diversity. Survivor's main antagonist was not that interesting. Suddenly doing away with Dagan Gera also left a vacuum of a sort in the narrative and the whole High Republic story didn't feel that important, more like red herring. On the other hand, characterization, gameplay, visuals are better in Survivor.
Couldn’t have said it better
Survivors worlds are a lot better imo. if we’re talking directly about the story then you could say fallen order, but there is 10x more to do in survivor outside the story. (Like side quests and exploring)
@@jonahcannon2820 They're larger and, yes, also better. However, there's lot more platforming in Survivor than there was in TFO. It's like Cal can't go five metres into any direction without making a one-kilometre detour.
@@dankokamcevski exactly man.. everytime I arrived on a new world I was afraid to explore anywhere that wasn’t the main objective because I knew I would get side tracked for 30minutes on one single open area
@@Kxvca Yeah but that one dimensionality in exploring comes back later to bite your ass when you beat Fallen Order and you wanna explore and you just go through the same places. At that point there's no reason to play the game to explore anymore since you've basically gone everywhere in the story. The only place that comes to mind that isn't like that in Fallen Order is the crashed Venator on Zeffo
Survivor gives you a wider map and more content with it so that you can visist alot more places and take alot of detours post game
The only people that would hate Survivor's map are the people who want a game that doesn't take long to complete or they want a game that you can stop playing when you finish the story since there's no other stuff to do
Rayvis has to be one of the most respectable antagonists ever, so much so that I actually felt sad when he died.
I’m glad you can’t customise the mantis in survivor. It makes sense Cal would change his hair and clothes. It makes sense he would use new parts on his lightsaber and bd1, but it isn’t really believable that he would change the colour of the mantis.
Sorry why not it would be sick and so if it not realistic nothing is realistic about cal being about to completely change his outfit and hair on the go
Nah Cal being able to grow his hair back in seconds is not more believable than painting the mantis lmaoooo
@@christopherlyndsay8611 I didn’t think about that🤣
@@christopherlyndsay8611 You could say that the Buzz cut is the only real haircut. Everything else is a wig 😂
I like the ending of fallen order more than survivor running away from Vader was the greatest experience of my life
Still have nightmares from getting lost on Zeffo and don’t get me started on Dathomir man that place was hell
I like the story and villains in Fallen Order better. I think Survivor is better in most other ways, although there are too many jumping puzzles. The open world exploration and NPC interactions/missions are a nice addition.
The platforming or what you funnily called “jump puzzles” is the best part of the game. It’s about 60% of the game too, the combat is lacking compared to most other games. Also the exploration is inherently interwoven with the platforming and puzzles and is why it’s so good.
Yeah bro the story was so much better you were able to just FEEL everything that happened because not as much happened which gave you time to process it. Survivor gave you no time to process anything at all it just threw a ton of stuff in your face and hoped you got emotional about it
@@Enoo_ I don't think there needed to be nearly as much platforming. You can tell a story without so much of it.
@@hartsickdisciple it’s a fucking video game, the story is secondary to gameplay. And the platforming was the best part, definitely wasn’t the shitty combat, constant ganks.
@@Enoo_ I disagree. It's a Star Wars video game, so story is very important. I don't think that much platforming is a good thing. There have been other excellent Star Wars games without much platforming (Jedi Knight, Outcast, Academy).
Id love to see them scale 3 or 4 planets equally in size to have the best of both worlds when it comes to how many planets we can visit, and how much time we spend on those planets. I dont think its probable, but i think it would be super neat to have a infamous like morality system, with skill trees for both dark, and light side abilities. Maybe we could keep the same stances from survivor, but rather instead of stances, add combat styles. Idk how that would work but it seems like a decent idea. I would also like to see more human based enemies with more variaties. Im not the biggest fan of fighting creatures. Id like to be able to fight some mini bosses that wield lightsabers that can respawn when meditating.
Love the longer format, found it really entertaining and enjoyed hearing your perspective!
Bro I can’t take the background footage seriously with the moustache and mullet you put on Cal 💀
Yee yee ass jedi
For me personally:
Fallen Order -
- Performance (I’ve had a couple glitches here and there on Survivor, even after all the patches, kinda obvs to have it here)
- Story (maybe I’m just a simple guy but I liked Fallen Orders story more. Don’t get me wrong, I loved Survivors story, but if I wanted to replay any of these for just the story alone, it’d be Fallen Order)
- Planets (I think I liked the fact that each planet was a complete different biome and, despite the problems mapping around Zeffo, I just liked exploring these planets more. If Survivor had more planets, maybe something Lush or Snowy, just to contrast with the other planets, then maybe I’d give this point to Survivor)
Survivor -
- Characters (No brainer really. Really enjoyed each of the Mantis Crew this game, everyone just had that bit more of depth added to them and each just even more likeable as before. Then you’ve got the side characters of Skoova, Turgle, Ashe, Caij, the high republic droid, the chiss dude, each one of them and more are just so interesting and I’m always excited to interact with them to find out more about them. Only issue for me is I wish we explore more of the villains in this game. The politician at the start, maybe cos he was marketed a lot, I thought he’d be of more importance but🤷🏼♂️ Feel like Dagan also could’ve been explored more other than having an unhealthy obsession. Kinda wish we didn’t have to kill Rayvis and just leave him free and have him maybe ally us in the future, but gotta respect his culture. Bode I feel is the best of the villains. And we still learn more of him even after the boss battle so that’s kinda cool too.)
- Gameplay (Also a no brainer, altho, maybe it’s an unpopular opinion, but I do miss the tombs. Those puzzles were challenging and kinda fun. The High Republic vaults don’t really live up to that for me. But one thing that really sold me on Survivor having this point, is some of the traversal skills. ESPECIALLY, Merrins gadget thing that allows you to travel through the green barriers. Man was that act on Jedha with the giant droid so much fun to do! Genuinely my favourite part of the game. And the high republic gadget was fun to use, the animals were fun to travel with, and ofc the combat is phenomenal, my favourite being the dual wield.)
- Progression (Yeah I like both, but Survivor improves on what Fallen Order had)
- Customisation (Again, no brainer here, being able to customise practically everything is a very good feature! Just a shame we couldn’t upgrade the Stinger Mantis aswell. Strange decision to remove that tbh lol)
Overall -
Fallen Order 3-4 Survivor
Very close matchup! Excited to see how the third game will compare to this! (hopefully an improvement on all fronts, but that might be difficult in some sections considering how good they are now)
It would be nice to get a Jedi Fallen Order deluxe version, with more clothing options and the Fast travel option included.
Will probably get a remaster in the future
Fallen Order wins on the planets on it's not even close because in Survivor literally 90% of the entire game is spent on Koboh and it's just constantly running places you've already been over and over and over.
I agree that Survivor has the better story but just by a little and almost everything else is a big improvement. The ONLY thing I think I would say Fallen Order did well is the variety in planets
Not the only thing they did well but the only thing they did better you mean. And I agree even though there was more to explore in survivor, I feel like kobo is a little boring and the planets are all similar (+the imperial base and coruscant are tiny). But I get why it was important to make kobo massive and I do find that impressive
@@oliverlewis3126 Koboh gets a lot better for me the more you explore post-Rayvis fight but yeah the planet itself doesn't feel that visually unique, more of a blend of space station & Jedha's aesthetic
Fallen order technically did have more planets but I would say survivor has more variety, koboh is massive and has a lot of diverse areas
@@dequasont1063 Yeah the planets in Survivor feel like real areas and not linear levels disguised like full areas. Just saying the enviroments were more varied
fallen order run smooth as butter, has a much more focused story and level design its my favourite out of the two and somehow survivor's combat feels even clunkier than fallen order
Rayvis was my favorite villain in JS. I really thought he was thought out well- and had a code which was awesome
JS is just the superior game in my opinion. So much more to do and a greater story. Not to say JFO is lackluster though, it’s amazing. I love both so much
Is Survivor better than Fallen Order? Yes, almost in every aspect.
Does that mean you should skip Fallen Order and head straight to Survivor? Absolutely not, they both are amazing games, the best we got from the EA exclusive decade, and my personal favorites of all Star Wars games.
Fallen order. The story is better and makes more sense within the context of the time during which it's set.
Yes, the super safe life where they'd be alone on a planet where she had no-one but Dad, would eventually watch him die an then be completely alone. What a lovely future that would have been for Kata. Even after Cal kills her father she's pretty cool with it because that future was abysmal.
> "She's basically Riva.. "
> "...but done right.
My mistake, carry on.
1:10 That's the most Imperial looking Imperial/ISB Officer I've ever seen. With that mullet, mustache, and the American accent, there's no way Imperial _Intelligence_ will ever suspect a thing.
😂😂😂
I love jedi survivor and it is 100% the better game but idk man fallen order just hits different.
Feels good to have a youtuber who thinks exactly like I do.
It may sound wired but it's not a fair comparison as Survivor is built on top of Fallen Order. And with that being said, you expect of course the sequel to be better but my experience with Survivor although it was very fun and more immersive , Fallen Order was smoother in gameplay, almost bug free, and though not as big as Survivor, it was deeper, darker. In conclusion I would say, judging both of them as stand alone games, they are the same overall as an experience, a cool experience of course.
On the story my opinion is that they tell two parts of the same story and so it's hard to actually pick them against each other since they are the same whole.
Very well thought out video. It was great. Thanks for putting in the time
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truer words have never been spoken.
in survivor I’ve died so many times because I rely on the dodge/evade but Cal just doesn’t react at all. It’s why I died to Spawn of Oggdo so many times.
14:00 He got it wrong the 2nd sister is not like revea is the knock off trilla
I liked both games. I got survivor with the purchase of a new Ryzen cpu and I bought fallen order for $12. I never played fallen order when it came out but I figured it was worth a try at $12. This approach allowed survivor to bake in the oven a bit more to iron out the bugs. Once I completed fallen order, survivor had received a few patches and now was ready to enjoy. I completed the game and I found that both games compliment each other. I hope the next game is just as good as the first two.
As a game I say survivor wins hands down, but as a story I think fallen order just edges it put, for me I don't think survivor kicks into high gear until right before the final fight with Dagen. Meanwhile fallen order is giving it all as soon as the 2nd sister shows up
Jedi Fallen Order was a fantastic game, but Jedi Survivor did absolutely everything better. I played on PS5 and had no issues other than random crashes every once in a while. But this is nothing new for games on day 1-2. Especially with 10 hour sessions. So I'm not holding that against it.
If they can do to the 3rd game like the 2nd game did to the first game, then we'll probably get the greatest Star Wars game ever made. Beating Kotor and the likes. Either way, fantastic additions to the Star Wars universe.
Star wars: Survivor is damn near a perfect sequel/Game
na man. character wise (especially villain wise) fallen order take the cake. in survivor alot of the villains actions didnt make sense. Degan Gera was freed by cal and instead of thanking him he attacks him as soon as he finds out hes a jedi? wheres the reason in that? also bode not wanting to have other people find shelter at Tanalorr cause he wanted his daughter to be safe is dumb. sure she would be safe but with nobody to make friends with her own age would have stunted her growth. in short most of the villains reasoning was half baked and made it feel a little lazy. the only solid villain was Rayvis.
At least for me with the introduction of Fast Travel in Survivor I can never go back to Fallen Order
Nice and impartial video! you have metioned lots of fair views that I'm not able to
Wow. Great video seriously. Good job
"no recency bias" *gives all the points to survivor purely by quantity*
He’s not biased Jedi survivor is LITERALLY the superior game in almost every category
@@alexchaser320in my opinion fallen order is better in performance, story, progression and planets
Order was better. Unfortunately everyone think "bigger is better" but it's not. Survivour is a bigger but unfinished and unpolished game in quite every aspect.
Forgive me if I’m wrong, but in the legends cannon didn’t the Jedi of the old republic go for a mix of the dark and the light side of the force. They strived for a balance right? So I’m more ways than one Cal would be more of a Jedi than some of the recent ones right?
I was wondering if anyone knows where ozzys videos are from before the Felicia update cus I can't find any before that time
Egh, I disagree on the 'struggling with the Darkside' being an improvement on Cal. It's done to death in Star Wars and happens so bloody often that it's a wonder the Jedi Order lasted 5 minutes, much less thousands of years. Also, if they want Cal going completely over the edge to the Darkside for a while to be a thing in the next game, then I don't see a convincing way for them to do it that doesn't involve killing Merrin. Which will suck.
This is the best video I’ve seen from you!
Are you by any chance going to make a video about Star Wars: Outlaws?
the only problem i have is that i have to upgrade to a 3060 ti to have 60 + fps im with a 1650 4 gb finished the game on jedi grand master with 30 - 50 fps and that the game is 128 GB i cant have many other games if i want to play it unlike fallen order only taking 55 GB both games are amazing
regarding the mob beeing after you ;) it would have been nice to see some evidence/benchmark comparison of the performance imo
just got this game and i use high preset and the fps is everything from 35fps to 75fps so alot up n down in this 1 sadly.
1st thing i felt was the visuals that looked worse in this game i think(or atleast during the 1st part of the newer game) is this so??
So the little i played this today i dont know if i really like it or not(but will keep on playing it a little more tomorrow n hope for the best)
rtx3060 i5 12400f seems to be good enough ,but the fps drops are pretty insane vs previous game where i had no issue w this at all....
Thanks 4 video
I’ve a PS5 & 6600 XT is this game worth it getting on console or PC.
Console works better. Definitely worth getting.
The first Jedi game will always be special to me because it was the first game ever that I got day 1, and I have all the figures, the posters, and was building the LEGO set as I watched this, however, I had a absolute blast with Survivor, and it was a great improvement. But due to emotional biased, the first one will always be my favorite.
I just finished the story yesterday. I was late to the game because it was crashing on me on release, and I only just checked if it got better. It did, and I love the game.
It feels like it's a game from Star Wars fans for Star Wars fans. Looking forward to see more like it.
Whenever I hear Dagans name I can’t help but think about the angry beavers
Well I personally think that Jedi survivor just has to much customisation.
I mean it’s kinda wierd if u can literally change cals hole look and it just feels not right.
Maybe a bit ist good but they just did to much …
but no doubt still both are really gods games
The Mandalorian S3 video coming soon?
This is gonna be a good one
It was nice to see the Devs address customisation, but ultimately it felt like there was just too much shit. I found that one outfit I was ok with and kinda just ignored it after that.
Especially when a lot of the customization is pretty difficult to see during gameplay (lightsaber and BD-1 mainly)
Really? I changed my outfit like 10 times throughout the game.
@@ajgross67 the lightsaber and bd1 can be seen in cutscenes mostly
For me Jedi Survivor upped the gameplay massively, but Fallen Order's story is much more solid.
In terms of performance. I just completed Fallen order last month and I’m playing survivor now so I didn’t have the launch glitches with survivor. However like I said I just played fallen order last month and i found it to be way more glitchier than survivor
I cant take any of the Survivor footage seriously with the mullet and the Handlebar Mustache lmao
Great video, i really enjoyed your opinions, i never finished fallen but was wondering if I should jump into survivor or finish fallen order
Very good video!
20:53 Disney did Not restrict it if you Look at all there Movies/Shows they are More brutal then Lucas
Both stories were damn close for me, however Fallen Order has the more immediately compelling and tighter story for me. In survivor the first act and a bit are a little meandering and has wonky pacing for me.
Should i play these games in order,? Or jump into survivor?
Survivor has no performance issues on PS5 now
He gave Cal a mullet💀
I found Survivor kinda bland in gameplay. It was always just more of the same. Fallen Order shook things up with some exciting cinematic calibre sequences and boss fights that I just didn't get from the sequel. But the world and map were much better designed in survivor. I wasn't getting lost like the first game.
My main complaint with Fallen Order is that you physically can't backtrack. Especially Kashyyyk and Dathomir. You get to a certain point and then you can't go back. You have to go to all the way round, the same route as the main story, but at least on Kashyyyk there's a fast travel shyyo bird. On Dathomir you go down and if you didn't unlock the elevators, you had to go through the caves, swamps and the Nightbrother village. I'm glad Survivor added fast travel.
good news performance wise i played through it on a 1050ti andhada solid 30 to 40 frames the whole time except for the opening cutscene with all the companies that made it and such
I wish the frame rate was more stable because that’s literally my biggest problem
I love survivor’s mechanics much more and will never miss spending hours on zeffo’s crappy map, but I consider the two equals in terms of storytelling. I really liked Fallen Order and there’s just something about it that hits different.
3 months ago 😮
The direction they hinted at for the next game could make cal a re adapted version of star killer. Fallen order, i thought cal was interesting but not my favorite. Survivor made me realize how great of a character he is and could be.
I would love to coat my tactical jacket with beskar like I did with my light saber hilt and gun
Although I liked Fallen Order, I felt this was some sort of "obvious" game. When I was 14, one day I played both Bloodborne and the Force Unleashed on a row... And after a while I had this crazy idea of having a soulsborne game about a rougue Jedi fighting against the empire. I even created my very own control scheme (which I'm currently using in Survivor) and it played pretty much the same. I even had the idea of including a force time-shift mechanic, similar to the one used by Spiderman 2099 in the Edge of Time video-game.
It was obvious that all of this mechanics could work on a force user SW game, and Fallen Order's story wasn't that interesting to me. On the other hand, although Survivor is more of the same, everything felt darker and way bigger on scale. I loved the idea of bringing a High Republic Jedi to the imperial era (like somo sort Captain America). It felt better than another story of another Jedi that survived the order 66 and now is keeping a low life in order to survive.
the first one was okay.. solid. Jedi Survivor is really good. Same broken game problems of every game released anymore it seems. Was better to wait a year after release to play it. His ability to "shatter" as Revan and Mace and access both dark and light, makes him so powerful yet fun for gameplay, creates many problems if we are to accept it as canon included in the first six movies. And the only lore following way to play the game he has to wield a purple lightsaber. Because he definitely isn't a guardian or counselor.
In conclusion, Jedi Survivor is the Empire Strikes Back of the inevitable trilogy
What’s crazy is for all cal knows he’s really the last Jedi. One of the tragic things about this time period is all this Jedi think they are fighting alone but they aren’t the only one and if they only knew that ….smh
One thing i don't like about the reviews of jedi survivors story is the hate on dagan and the point they miss with bode, i mention bode cuz you can tell people didn't 100% the game or play after the end credits. Iff you explore after that you literally find all bode's echo's and understand how conflicted and almost persuaded by cal he was at almost every single turn they were together. Even when he asked cal "if the empire attacks, will you protect my little girl?" Cal had no response for that. As for Dagan, how the hell do people look at Rayvis and go yeah high and mighty guy has a code then look at Dagan and don't see him as the same elitist who lost everything with no chance to grieve, had a plan, got turned down then he takes matters to his own hands and gets betrayed by the love of his life and instantly trapped for centuries reliving those same moments over and over in his head but nah he's just a cry baby to everyone that does these damn videos
One point where fallen order wins is planets. They are much more planet and more world variety in fallen order
Is it me. Or does Dagan remind you as an elf from high fantasy games. Kashyyk was my favorite fallen order planet
Yes
Where are you man, we miss you 😢
Being better in story than Disney lately is a pretty low bar to clear... that said, very good story although moments in the writing were a little on the nose with messaging for me. The "I found myself" sentiment for example is something I roll my eyes at every time hear it so hearing merrin say it after how hard it was telegraphed just made me groan
The story of the first game was definitely better than the new one, however I think they really improved on the gameplay aspect for Jedi: Survivor.
Cal and Merrin’s relationship was handled perfectly and Bode’s betrayal wasn’t very unexpected! I think the two main villains in Darth Scrote and Dagan were criminally underused, and just showed up in the story at random times.
Despite some grips with the gameplay/customization of the first game and the story of the second, they are both some of my favorite video games ever!
Great video, lots of great points!
Darth Scrote?
@@originalvegoman inside joke, he’s Rayvis.
I got survivor about a week after it came out on Xbox. Absolutely no problems with performance.
I’m eagerly waiting for Jedi 3, (wall of text incoming)
Really loved the first one, it’s characters, story, and just everything about it felt like a genuine adventure, gow and that game had a similar mysticism and unique atmosphere to them that made them so immersive, and I just loved the fact that the Star Wars aspects was done so well for it too
Survivor introduced so many awesome concepts and features, multiple lightsaber stances, way bigger open world like planets, non linear side content that feels rich but also very quantitative, graphics and textures were all great, and for some reason I’m having a brain fart and can’t remember the rest of the things that they pushed forward with, but I love how they genuinely tried something new and are pushing the games DNA forward and not just rehashing it
However I have a huge problem with this game, and that’s that mainly the gameplay itself is very lackluster. Now some may disagree, and that’s fine but let me say this, I’m a huge combat and gameplay guy, don’t want to be full of myself but I’d say I’m farely competent when it comes to understanding and using great combat systems, and Jedi survivor has insane POTENTIAL but it’s just not being used great.
The idea of a Jedi, with 5 interlocked lightsaber styles, unique force abilites to weave into basic combat, a blaster on top of that, with cool unique gadgets and a droid, as well as tapping into the dark side a bit has so much gameplay potential that I feel what we got instead were ridgid, sloppy animations and no animation canceling for all stances, very limited abilites and we can’t use all stances together, enemy design that by themselves is good, but when paired with even one other enemy it’s just not really enjoyable and quite honestly unfair at times, and your force powers feel like they can only be used by themselves with one or two genuinely creative combos, where as it would’ve been cool if they were more integrated and weaved into base combat fluidly instead of some clunky controls that put a stake in your flow.
Overall I think the combat needs to try to stray away a bit from its “souls like” nature, I think that aspect should be reserved mainly for enemy design, but player agency and control should lean more towards fluid, fast paced and combo based combat mechanics such as god of war or something like that, and maybe taking a page from battlefront 2, as I think the light saber animations, fluidity, quick pacing, and visual flare would be so good for this game I’ve always liked the idea of mixing multiple genres into one gameplay system, as if done properly could be amazing but I feel like they did it poorly here. I’d just like to know that I fan enjoy everything the game has to offer, while knowing that the combat itself is also superb and let’s me feel like I’m in control and it’s super creative and fluid with a plethora of abilites and options to choose from
That’s why I’m excited for Jedi 3, as good as stig asmussen was, I think the gameplay was a detriment to the series overall, so hopefully with new leadership that changes and most of the aspects of this series is a lot stronger (note: I also would love for them to expand on the galaxy aspect of this series, letting us visit more planets, some bigger than others but I’m not an idiot and I understand that’s a Tremendous ask as somethjng like that would take an abundance of time, budget, and technical issues that might not even be worth the trouble, I guess I just have this itch of piloting a space ship and visiting these iconic planets on a whim)
Also I have to say, originally I thought survivors story was pretty bad, but while I still go this day think FO’s is better, I’ve grown to really appreciate survivors story, I think I would have liked it better if they handled certain characters and events better such as dagan gera, bodes betrayal, the overall pacing should’ve been a lot longer, and I wish we visited more diverse planets because they all kinda felt the same and it felt like I kept constantly revisiting kobo and jedha. I’m a sucker for cool concepts and themes, especially betrayal, old history meeting new history, struggling between light and dark etc, so it’s a shame that the end result was decent but underwhelming.
I genuinely think they set up some very interesting things for the third game, raising a daughter of your former freind turned backstabber, either having to protect or abandon tanalor, dealing with ceres death and the death of his crew, his flirting with the dark side that occasionally sways his judgement, and the fact that darth vader and the empire are breathing down his neck more than ever, and that’s not including any curveball they could throw at us like how they did with the high republic (which I thought was an awesome concept, a warrior from the past, fighting so hard for a better future only to see that future be a repetition of the same kind of war he just fought to bring peace, but I think they fumbled that a little but oh well I guess)
My man speaking my language on combat! Did abuse the shit out of dual sabers though for bosses.
@@wb7585 I did too, but only because it felt like I was the one in control, I think the game honestly gets pretty easy just using the dual sabers, that’s why they need to cater the enemy design and other external elements that challenge that freedom, rather than flat out taking that freedom away from us.
The best characters in survivor were the side characters especially in the Haxion Brood story line. (If you know you know).
It’ll be awesome that the third game would be about Cal and Kata’s journey. A Master and a Padawan forever.
Kinda predictable and boring
@@Enoo_ Says you
@@ericle5366 yeah I said that
Two games telling a story. Just play both, both are legendary