Why Thailand's Democracy is at Risk
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In today’s episode, we discuss why Thailand’s democracy may be at risk. Also, we run through Putin’s meeting with the Wagner Group; the fallout from the Guatemala election; and why SAG members have joined the WGA on strike in Hollywood.
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Further reading:
✍️ Thailand’s Democracy at RIsk
www.reuters.com/world/asia-pa...
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia...
edition.cnn.com/2023/07/12/as...
✍️ Putin and the Wagner Group
www.politico.eu/article/putin...
www.reuters.com/world/europe/...
www.euronews.com/2023/07/14/u...
✍️ Guatemala Election Turmoil
www.reuters.com/world/america...
www.theguardian.com/world/202...
www.france24.com/en/americas/...
✍️ Strikes in Hollywood
www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainm...
www.theguardian.com/culture/2...
variety.com/2023/tv/news/bob-...
✍️ TLDR Good News
www.goodgoodgood.co/articles/...
www.forbes.com/sites/willskip...
• Barely Contained Rage:...
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00:00 Intro
00:20 Thailand’s Democracy at RIsk
04:08 Putin and the Wagner Group
05:29 Guatemala Election Turmoil
07:13 Strikes in Hollywood
08:46 TLDR Good News
Can't have a democracy in danger if there was no democracy in the first place
The lower house in thai parliament was democratically elected.
Modern problems require modern solutions.
@@tauceti8060 any country with a lese-majeste law is not a democracy, Thailand has one of the broadest lese-majeste law possible, ... so ....
@@agmuntianuThat's also putting Germany, Poland, Italy, Spain, Denmark, switzerland, and the Netherlands as non-democracy. I agree that Thailand isn't a democracy but that's a really weird criteria
@@potato_nugget germany has a lese-majeste law? what royal family do they even have? i thought they got rid of the kaiser like before ww2
Bold of you to assume they had any meaningful democracy to begin with. Any deviation of the government from the will of the military would just result in a coup
Yeah kinda amusing that people don't know that on the whims of the military the regime changes there is coup in Thailand every so often. Also been ranked one of the least free countries for decades.
Eh fuck the military but that's a pretty simplistic take on the situation in Thailand, please speak to Thai citizens about how their government works, it's really interesting and more than just "Fake democracy".
@@ExtradaemonYT But not a wrong one.
@@ExtradaemonYTit's 100% true though
@@ExtradaemonYT It's really not. Thailand's a monarchic military dictatorship posing as a democracy.
The reason why Thailand is inherently vulnerable to coups, by the way, is because Bangkok is an extreme example of what's termed a "primate city", a city that holds significant portion of country's population and absolute majority of its wealth and institutions with no other city in the country coming even close in terms of population or significance. That means that, in order to coup Thailand, all you need to do is take over Bangkok and you have the country because of how heavily centralized it is. France is another example of similar phenomena, that's why revolutions in France have always come from and have only cared about taking and holding Paris.
So Coup in NZ when? 😁
Interesting point that I hadn't considered. Thanks for the insight 👍🏻
@@DarkHarlequin None bc NZ doesn't have a military that have their tentacles in politics and they respect elected official rather than trying to be one.
@@DarkHarlequin also, NZ has a far away constitutional monarch that is legally allowed to make life hard for the "new government"
A prime example is Thailand's public transport system, going to and from anywhere in rural Thaialand across country, North to West, South to East etc, you would most likely have to stop over in BKK regarless if that is your destination or not. Train lines across the country are build with BKK in mind as a stop.
There has been like 20 coups in modern Thailand since 1912, 19 if we start counting in 1932 when the country became a "democracy". Are we really gonna say it's in risk when this is it's norm?
Exactly
But being honest reduces user clicks
Militaries can't be allowed to think they can interfere with democratic government - once that cat is out of the bag, it's nearly impossible to put it back in.
Many countries in Latin America did it, it's hard but not impossible
@@jackyex And not a single one was left without scars that endure even decades after the return to democracy, be it for immunity against prosecution for crimes during dictatorship periods, continued presence in politics (like Pinochet's infamous position as senator for life in Chile or the Fujimoris continued involvement in Peruvian politics) or privileges like retirement benefits for the military far beyond what any other state employee gets.
Taiwan and South Korea were curiously free of this. Their military largely relented power on their own.
@@chinguunerdenebadrakh7022 Are you sure about that? Many of the former members of the military goverment just adjusted themselves to the democratic institutions, also there were many secret deals under the wraps that the public doesn't know.
@@chinguunerdenebadrakh7022 In Taiwan's case that's true, but in South Korea's, it's not quite that simple. South Korea had multiple uprisings and mass demonstrations (the Ba-Mu Student Uprising, the Gwangju Uprising, and the eventual June Democratic Struggle), that weakened and eventually, after huge amounts of effort and no small amount of bloodshed, forced the military from power. The Korean military certainly didn't fight as hard as it could have against the JDS, partially because Chun seems to have been legitimately scared that a crackdown could escalate to a massacre (Adesnik & Kim, 2008) but they never would have surrendered power if not backed into a corner where the only choices were either surrender or seriously risk unfathomable brutality in front of the entire world.
Stay strong and keep fighting, Thailand. We admire your bravery and are hopeful that you will be free from your current dictatorship one day 🇺🇸❤️🇹🇭 A progressive Thailand would be a beautiful sight
Say the nation which supported more dictatorships than anyother nation in this world
@@anLeithreas I think that progressive in the sense of removing political power from the corrupt and unappointed military and monarchy is something the US will support.
Thank you
Thank you for your support ❤🇹🇭
@@user-uf4rx5ih3vLegalizing same-sex marriage is a little bit too far.
Certified Thailand moment
Go John Green! A good man doing good work.
My biggest concern with this is that the current government is pro-Myanmar Military junta and may just continue supporting the horrors in Myanmar. The People's First Party has some anti-Myanmar Military junta rhetoric which makes them attractive to the rebel groups...
A lot has been asked in the west about why we are not doing something about the situation in Myanmar. But Thailand is the only country through something can be done,(China and Cambodia seem to support the junta) so yes, the new thai goverment has to take a stance against the illegal junta.
@@Sneikki well said. Also, I can confirm China supports the Myanmar junta, I've heard that the junta gets its weapons from China or something like that. I don't know much about Cambodia, but given who's in power, I'm not surprised if they turn out like that.
@@Sneikki
I honestly appreciate they dont interfere since south china sea is already a battleground for china and the us.
Although the only thing we can do is humanitarian efforts and not recognised the junta
ASEAN didnt recognized them anyway so that's what everyone needs to do
@@Sneikkiand India won't take hostile stance on Myanmar
@@alexsbarricades8218Cambodia is pretty much China's pet. They're indepted to China so much that they became their mouthpiece state. Whenever there's a resolution to do anything involving Myanmar for their atrocities and anything involving the 9 dash line in the ASEAN conference, Cambodia will be there to object the resolution. Singapore was right when they put fourth the resolution to kick Cambodia out of ASEAN. All of ASEAN should've seen what Cambodia really is back then.
In Thailand, prior to Pita, there was a former conservative Prime Minister named Thaksin who faced a coup, along with his sister who later became an MP.
The royalists strongly dislike anything associated with or mentioned about Thaksin. However, it is important to note that the Future Forward Party (now known as the Move Forward Party) was formed due to disillusionment with the Thaksin versus royalist conflict. It is indeed alarming to witness the amount of hatred Pita receives, especially considering that he has not officially become an PM yet.
Thaksin and his family actually still have connection to many royalists.
I watched John Green's video and hoped it doubted it would amount to anything. It is amazing and wonderful that it succeeded.
My brother in Christ, Thailand hasn't had a functional democracy in decades.
I’m not Thai, but I love Thailand so much❤️ and this is so sad to see.. I really hope that one day Thailand will become free and democratic country
Thank you
Article 112 of the Criminal Code carries between three and 15 years’ imprisonment per violation and currently there's was one lady received a consecutive three-year sentence for each of the 29 lèse majesté offences, or 87 years.
Imagine just criticized royal family online and have to spend whole life in prison even the sentence was reduced to 43 years but still 😔
Article 112 is used to bully Thais period.
Best wishes to Thailand from Cambodia. Worst case scenario atleast you guys get to vote and express your voice unlike here
Damn that sad...best wish for Cambodia as well bro.
❤Cambodia from th
John Green, how far you have come since the days where I watched your Crash Course videos ❤
4:25 You mean June 29th…I got you TLDR news 😂
The genericization of bedaquiline is definitely one of the best news I've heard so far.
John Green is a natural treasure
Brexitland after having 2 unelected PMs in 3 months : "Is Thailand's Democracy at Risk?"
Do you know how a parliamentary democracy works?
We just a very imperfect democracy. Still we have general freeedom and aren't at risk of suddenly being ruled by tanks
John Green on the news, awesome!
Jack stepping up to the daily grind. Doing a good job bud!
Good luck to everyone fighting for democracy and worker’s rights! ✊
The thumbnail is absolutely right. King has power in politics system directly and indirectly. He dgaf. Will do everything to maintain his power.
4:29 I'm guessing he ment 6/28
I wouldn't say Thailand's Democracy is at risk, more that it simply doesn't exist due to these conservative groups and laws put in place by monarchists and military appointees. Unfortunately in terms of laws Thailand's laws are both archaic and well designed to work against reformists.
@TLDR In the Russia segment, you mentioned the meeting took place in July, when you probably meant June.
Maybe they still use different calendars
Fight the good fight in Thailand 🇹🇭
This is as expected.
Its infuriating to see a group of politicians or senators in thailand who are not even elected by the people who only cares about their interests and that of the royal family can dictate democracy in their country, a stark contrast with what democracy represents
As long as Thailand has a king, it has no democracy, so the headline here is misleading.
Very correct on the report of Thai situation right now
well it popped up on my feed in his b-day as well
Your understanding of Thai Election is next to zero. Their Parliament consist of 500 seats...winning 151 seats (less than 1/3) doesnt not meant MFP party can appoint their member as the next PM. It has to be a Coalition govt. NO Country should choose thier PM based on popularity. It should be on the competence to lead the country for the better future.
LETS GO JOHN!
It's not at risk, it's already gone.
As Indonesian, I just worried with a possibility of having two Myanmars in our region.
Basically steaming subscriptions and movies ticket prices are going to get more expensive.
Nerdfighteria with John ( CEO LOL ) at the helm for the win!
Every country must wrestle with this same issue. In Britain, the elected house can withhold taxation powers if vested interests interfere.
Short answer yes. The long answer also YES.
Small mistake in the part about wagner, it should be 29th of june, but you're saying july
Why is the uk junior doctor strike not covered?
Adding another fact here. The media that Pita holds shares account for less than 1% of total shares so he could not use it to further his political benefit. Also, it ceased its operation in 2007. This point is supported by a lot of evidence and witnesses from the employee who once worked at the firm.
How come certain bits like the ads are that much louder than the rest of the video?!
Cheers for the videos though.
What do you mean? The entire video is silent.
Thailand's "democracy" at "risk", lmao 🤣
The only people who would put the words "Thailand" and "democracy" together in a video title are those who don't know Thailand's history.
Within 10 days!
@TLDRDaily Can you please have "Day Month" format at the beginning of the breifing. Only the US uses that format (and mainly just the civilian population) and most of the world doesn't. I hate to see a UK channel pandering to US whims for no real reason.
America makes up a majority of their audience, TLDR isn't going to use a DMY format for a minority of their audience in the name of anti-"pandering".
guatemalan elections looks similar of another election 3or2 years ago
I swear, I had to race to the central station because I knew this would probably happen, since I wanted to avoid all the protests so I didn't miss my train.
But you understand or support the protests, right?
youre racist.
@@toyotaprius79Why?
151/500 is no most seats, needs to form 8 party coalition to get more than half. 250 senates come from constitution won national referendum by majority. All steps come through national referendum. So what is wrong? Some news agencies love to say half truth to make it exciting.
Get up and stand up writers and screen writers!
Thailand's democracy is not under threat, because they never really have one.
TLDR daily: is Thailand democracy under threat?
Me: Always has been.
"Democracy with a Monarchy as a head of state"
Figure it out.
This was very good... but why not title this:
"Why Thailand's Democracy is at Risk... and Russia, Guatemala and film strike update?"
Or something similar?
They never had one !
It says something that one man can get more done about TB than the WHO can.
Not sure if Thailand had a functional democracy in the first place...
it does 9 years ago
"is"? You meant "has been"?
We did it! We did it! We did it! We actually did it!
Thai democracy is always under threat as long as the military holds more power than civilians.. tho I have to say it's still "not as bad" as Myanmar
do a report on why Western companies are still trading in Russia
Because there's "Kingdom" in Thailand
For real, I'm native
As a Thai, there’re more to the story. For start, we do not have 2 parties whereas one win. There are 500 seats in the lower house with the winning party gets only 151 and the senate, even though appointed by the military, was approved through public hearing.
How can something that never existed in a country be "at risk"?
Prigozin about to fall out of a window any day now.
As I am a Thai person At the election this year, I chose Prayut Chan-o-cha. Why did I choose him? Because since he was Prime Minister, Thailand has developed many infrastructures and promoted a sustainable economy both in the EEC and in the double-track railways across the country. There is a reserve fund ranked 11th in the world. What the heck is Thailand now? People who regard themselves as democratic but persecute others who differ from themselves. that is not democracy There is now news of a meeting in Paris on intervening in the overthrow of Thailand's regime, and the group has foreign support. And now Thailand's security department is watching. And let me tell you another thing, in the year 2014, the coup took place because the previous government had cheated and caused the country to owe more than 1 million Thai baht from the rice pledging scheme and off-budget loans, making it difficult to audit. And millions of Thais protested that year to oust the government.
Coup without sin is also call corruption. Sustainable or not I think we can look to plastic waste in Thailand from food industry and infrastructure like road is not gonna benefit to the whole country without good public transport that come in / on time.
I’m Thai who have different though and never try to shut someone mouth with law 112. We all know that we need to took responsible for what we did and give an opinion or contribution to work together. But prayuth don’t take responsibility for what he did.
I’m environmentalist, I can guarantee you that our country is far from sustainability now. If you using the electricity in everyday life or using a car. Mainly of it source in Thailand still come from fossil fuel. Which I tried to speak up but it won’t reach his government for 8-9 years.
@@Rise_and_Fall ผมเป็นคนไทยคนหนึ่งที่ไม่เคยและไม่เดือนร้อนกับ ม.112 หรือ กฎหมายหมิ่นประมาทอื่น ๆ ม.112 ถูกนำมาใช้ทางการเมืองมานานแล้วมีคนที่ทำผิดกฏหมายตัวนี้จริงก็มีแต่ไม่ถูกดำเนินคดี ม.112 ร.10 สั่งไม่ให้ใช้กฎหมายนี้มา 2 ปี แต่หลังจากไม่ให้ใช้ก็เกิดตลาดหลวงขึ้นมา ด่า ใส่ร้าย ร.10 ร.9 หรือคนในราชวงศ์ ไม่ว่าจะขู่ฆ่าหรือว่าจะทำเหมือนฝรั่งเศสหรือยุคโซเวียต
You didnt mention that there is also a scandal in Romania about the asylums. I hope you guys will cover it
There has bever been democracy in Thailand to begin with
It is a kingdom not a democratic nation
Maybe with the strikes taking some time, Hollywood can actually produce something of quality again after this break.
actors' union on strike lmao that's a good one
Thailand is a country both difficult to read and break into for sure.
Thailand 'democracy' is practiced in word only, not a work in reality. 😁🤣😁Thai Monarch and military would never allow that to happen.
AS ALWAYS, TLDR : 8 mins video , 2 mins ad
Article 112 is an excuse. It's the best excuse they can use to justify their rejection. The real reasons are the fact that they will demonopolize many industry, for example alcohol industry that only have 7 big players and the law make it difficult to make alcohol company to compete with them. Or the fact that the majority of electricity of the country is made by one company and the over produced electricity whic means overpriced electric bills for everyone. Another big policy they suggested is decentralized Bangkok and give more power to the rural area along with defunding the military. All of these means the direct attack on the powerful. These are the real reasons not 112.
15 years if you insult the PM?! My word, could you imagine everyone in jail for insulting Black Face Trudeau or Bidumb?!
What is it with Eastern worlds regarding their leaders so highly. Their name honored and praised, whereas we Westerners just don’t give af
Things couldn't be at risk if it has never existed in the first place
Never let your military have any power in your state: a lesson many nations have learned the hard way
The Thai generals should be asked point blank: "Do you want to step down or do you want this country to turn into Myanmar?".
That simple.
It's not that bad. People like to exaggerate so much
its always under Threat
Democracy is not the answer. Look at the US and the UK now. What a mess.
Democracy is undoubtedly the best type of government out of all the insane crap that is Absolute monarchism, Facism, anarchy, Communism and just generally delusional dumness.
Situation like this make Tai realize you don't really have democracy. It's just a show to fool people.
what ever party win, in the end, it would be the same rich family that runs the country
🇹🇭🇺🇸🇹🇭🇺🇸🇹🇭
Thailand? Democracy?
Remember everyone %#%^% the King of Thailand
Hard to have a democracy when the military's thumb is always on the scale.
If a revolution ever happens in Thailand, I'm robbing 7-11 first. I need that Slurpee machine .
If things really go south, Thailand could end up being like Myanmar, which would open the doors wide for Russia & China.
Also, while i support the WGA & SAG-AFTRA strike, you have to wonder if that will accelerate Big Film's move to AI.
Doubt it, both sides of the political spectrum knows their country needs tourist dollars. They never touch tourists in previous coups or protests
I don’t see that happening tho, if it does Bangkok would literally turn into a sea of blood, and we(the thai people) don’t like that
Thailand won't end up like Myanmar may be worst because they knew how to play the game and people don't have weapon to fight back unlike Myanmar that's why they have 20 coup with the same loop
Thailand won't end up like Myanmar because of tourism. 65.7% of the economy. While Myanmar had almost no tourists. Families don't usually fight when there are guests over. We need to keep the country welcoming to tourists.
Actually in the past, most of the destruction came from the protesters themselves, burning malls and government buildings, occupying all the airports, and blocking the main roads.
"democracy"
What risk? It always like that nothing new actually it even better than the last election.
As long as ''THE LAST BOSS'' as the true owner of Thailand doesn't accept, Pita cannot be PM.
TIN MYO ZAW SU SU 🙏👍
Democracy should consider a strict age limit for "leaders" or at the very worst a limit to how much "leaders" can legally resist popular support for change of their respective constitutions.
If these men and women are inspired by the nostalgia of their past, they can dream on while looking at the sun set on a beach but don't bring your individualistic romance with your fond memories in life to the entire state! Change happens! It will happen with or without you! It's life! What do you gain from this:
"In my lifetime, when I was a lawmaker, I made sure insulting a fellow human being [who daydreams that their blood is somehow blue in colour] was a crime with up to 15 years in prison.... But then I died and the whole thing went to shit and unfortunately, those people were killed and the 'royal family' ended".
It's degenerate to think that you, a lowly mortal homosapien in your short small insignificant life on earth will fight for laws that will last multiple lifetimes. It doesn't happen that way. Life is a timeline of change. When the circumstances of life [i.e. change] force changes in law, guess what, your dead decayed body cannot come and fight for the law to remain unchanged.
Democratization in thailand have risk for falling continue. If 250 Senator who from selected by NCPO stay in position .Because ,They servant to General ,Marshal or lieutenant. Protest Move Forward Party just They want to represent to reform Les majeste Law (Article 112).
So it's not weired. why Leader of Move Forward Party (Pita Limchareonrat) can't be Prime minister. because ,He challenge and want to abolish Prayut millitary regiem. that supported by Privillage capital man ,Influenece and Someone who we're call "Pooh".
What democracy?
Basically majority rules
Dictatorcracy💅
There are always some countries in danger of something every week.
I know politics is always an active mess.
Russia is not really in danger of anything XD
For west every country democracy is under threat who not listing them.