@@Alohanate2004 Very true. I would think since 1909 they have adapted to schedule changes and what not. I fear Stanford and Cal are going to have a few year till they adjust, I guess we’ll have to wait and see!
I'm an FSU fan and to date, as far as TH-cam goes, you're the only guy on TH-cam that's pushing an FSU to the SEC narrative. Virtually everyone thinks FSU to the B1G is a done deal. I'm not sure if you're informed on FSU's history, but FSU and the SEC have a VERY strained relationship stemming from the SEC declining FSU for two decades, then getting upset when they finally came around to giving FSU an invite and FSU spurning them for the ACC. The SEC was so butthurt that aside from the Gators, the SEC refused to schedule FSU for a decade. Lets also not forget how horrible the relationship between FSU and ESPN and the State of Florida and Disney is. I'd love to see FSU in the SEC, but it's not going to happen.
FSU has beef with ESPN too. Why would they continue to be under ESPN? They would rather be under Fox. ESPN also could have appeased FSU by saying, we won't charge you the gor if you just move to the SEC.
@@buddylewis9901 I think FSU's hate for ESPN is a lot stronger than ESPN's hate for FSU. Personally, I think ESPN shills for the SEC over everyone and deservedly so. The SEC is ESPN's cash cow. I think ESPN would be stupid to let FSU go to Fox, but I'm not sure if they'll be able to pull FSU and the SEC together.
@@nateg4582 An an Ohio St fan, wouldn’t you want FSU in the Big ten for the satisfaction that you could beat them every 4 years on their home field and emasculate their home state recruiting efforts similar to how you emasculate Maryland and their Baltimore talent?
@@michaelbee2165 Yes that’s true but once they’re outperforming fsu and solidify themselves as the current and future face of the league; they’ll permanently supplant the better options that would pick fsu in past commitments. Similar to how OSU dominates talent in the DMV/Maryland area over the Terps. Also, UGA, UF ( with more competent coaching) Bama, LSU, and Texas will also select top talent from the state. fsu in the big would basically expand recruiting grounds for the top programs of the Big 10; especially IF they have down years.
I think adding memphis makes a lot of sense. They have made a NY6 game recently, won more games on football than aby ither AAC team that left for the Big12, have had 2 #1 recruiting classes in basketball. Those are good things for even a power conference team. They have a higher upside than any other group of five team in my opinion. What they haven't done is take advantage of their opportunities. They should have been in at least two more NY6 games, Missing two field goals on the last play of the game That would have either put them in one or put them in position to be in one. They only had one tournament win with those two number one classes. Regardless of this, There is much more potential there than any other G5 team available. Given some resources and a better conference, They may be a school that benefits greatly from a change of scenery.
The only way FSU goes to the B1G is as a package deal with Miami. ESPN owns the TV rights to both ACC and SEC, so they would prefer FSU to the SEC, rather than lose them to Fox.
B1G doesn’t want FSU it’s been said and been known B1G has enough tier 3 programs no need to add another who things they are bigger than everybody else
Big 12: Miami, Pittsburgh, Louisville, Duke Big 10: FSU, Clemson SEC: NC State, Virginia Tech, Virginia, North Carolina ACC: SMU, CAL, Stanford, Washington State, Oregon State, Memphis, Tulane, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, Syracuse, Boston College, Norte Dame, UNLV, San Diego State, APP State, Boise State
I don't think people understand the culture at these ACC schools. They aren't going to the big-12. It's not going to be an upgrade, even if this unlikely big-10/sec scenario was going to happen. I don't know if Clemson is desired. Believe me that I want them to be, I'd take them, I think passing on them is dumb, but I think there's a reason why that camp is so quiet. The SEC isn't taking four NC/VA schools. They'll take one of each. I don't know that the big-10 would take 1 of each though. I think they'd only take UVA and UNC but the prize there is UNC and UVA is the tolerable add on. NCSU and VT aren't the same quality of package deal... especially with the decline of VT football. The ACC won't expand out west if they can help it. Eastern options will be favored. Stanford and Cal wouldn't even want most every team listed there, even former conference mates I suspect. Uconn, Temple, Delaware (moving to FBS), USF (especially in your scenario where they lost all Florida schools), UAB are all better options than most that list (Tulane and perhaps Memphis excepted, though memphis academics are pretty atrocious). Boise, App state are laughable non-options.
I say that is very likely to happen since it will be the last true P5 schools now becoming P4 that ACC could add in conjunction with MWC and AAC and SBC schools and two Big East schools that will be added as full members and then comes the service academies for all sports and push that. If the ACC does this what I think they should do, it will be nearly impossible to lose Autonomy Status and get way less money than the Big12 but probably equal revenue but obviously below SEC and BiG10. I suspect that 6-7 schools will leave the ACC. Depressed Ginger is a BiG10 bozo and Ohio State grad goof. All media sources have pointed out that FSU and Miami are most likely going to BiG10 not SEC. UVA, VT, UNC, and NCST are linked to go to the SEC as it stands. Clemson or GT would be another school that might leave but not guaranteed to. So my suggestions for adds if lose 6-7 schools are as follows: WazzU OzzU San Diego St Colorado St UTSA or Rice Tulane USF Villanova UCONN Air Force Army Navy JMU or ODU or both CCU or App St or neither This is not the perfect alignment and replacement scenario but is solid and keeps the conference core primarily along the Atlantic Seaboard and Eastern Time Zone. Now again if only 2-4 schools leave then only 6-8 schools listed here get added and still counting Notre Dame is in all sports except football still. The schools I mentioned are the ones ND and others play often or regularly and have decent to moderate success against other conferences.
Washington St and Oregone St would rather resurrect the PAC by creating a Super G5 league imo. Keeps it much more regional. May not be what happens, but they have done more to do that than try and join the ACC, probably bc its a more realistic scenario
14:34 Correction: ACC does Not have any media deal After 2026.... Acc goes to open market the spring 2025 after espn decline to extend. Amazon CW may then extend offers to the Acc who will then be in the same Pac10 predicament of '23
@@jeffmorgan9337 "After bigger brands leave ,will renew at a even bigger discount than they already have ." No..., the loss in value would come out of excess profits rather than lower the price. The deal just wouldn't be as heaviy discounted.
Don't be naive, the ACC will blow up. Besides FSU and Clemson, the Big 10 expands to 24 teams. Invites Georgia Tech for the Atlanta TV market, TCU for the 5th largest TV market and Arizona for the PHX market. It's all about TV not butts in the stands.
ESPN has a huge say in this. ESPN owns TV rights for both ACC and SEC. FSU moving to SEC helps everyone, including SEC and ESPN. If FSU goes to B1G, ESPN loses those rights and SEC allows B1G to move into Florida, at which point B1G would also pursue Miami and be the dominant conference in the #1 recruiting region. Seems this would be worth moving past any past grievances between SEC and FSU.
B1G wants Virginia, NC and FSU is my understanding. They might would take Miami to round it out but idk. For B1G its about academics too. Being part of the research association.
@tarheel7406 on paper, maybe. But, they're historically a program that recruits for recruiting ranking rather than schematic fit and get a bump on a lot of their recruits from 247 because InsideCarolina is one of their 2 largest sites by subscriber base and they want to keep them excited and paying for subscriptions. It's like how 24 hour news channels make things a bigger story than they are so you keep watching. Over the past few years, the only high school recruits that were big names that have actually lived up to the hype are Maye, Downs, and Hampton. There are far more stories like Tony Grimes and Keeshawn Silver though.
North Carolina is a far better fit, and provides much more value for the Big Ten then Miami and Georgia Tech does, and it’s not even close. Doesn’t mean that is going to happen though.
If you're ask anyone from north carolina they will tell you that. People outside of North carolina don't quite feel as strong about it. I'm not saying it isn't a good fit, bc it is, but fans of the Big 10 and SEC are not exactly clamoring for UNC. I don't think they would be opposed to it, but it's not getting them as excited as FSU or Clemson. But it isn't fans who decide it.
UNC is a basketball school in a basketball state. Football is the engine that pulls the train. UNC is #46 in viewership, for comparison, next door Tennessee is #13 in a smaller state. Why isn’t UNC #12? Because they are not in a football market. College football is a multi billion dollar a year entertainment business. Viewership matters. Eyeballs = Money. No eyeballs, no money.
@@505premoto Must be a shock to FSU fans that not only is it seen as inferior to FLORIDA but also to schools like UNC and most likely UVA. FSU would have been far better served by acknowledging and respecting its peers during this realignment.
@@tarheel7406 They don’t have any peers in the ACC. Certainly not the #46 school who is a financial drag. FSU is said to be worth between 23-32% of the value of the conference, well over double the value of your school. Talk about inferior.
Clemson, FSU and North Carolina are the 3 most valuable programs left on the chess board. I agree with this analysis although I do think there could be one late curve ball with NC/Clemson teaming up to the SEC and FSU to the B10. North Carolina may also pull NC State with them as well.
@@jansonroberts2616 I don't think so, I think the SEC will say it's UNC or it's none and the board will buckle to getting one school to stay relevant instead of zero.
@@johnmandock56 I see ND as so secure they are the only institution that can make any decision they like and be fine. Everyone wants them and they are powerful enough and rich enough to remain independent if they want. A league of their own.
@@booster222jc then why haven't they won anything in years. They're a fraud and a phony. Every time they play really good team they get blown out. They get blown out in the playoffs when they make it and they can blown out another games. I'm tired of them playing a week schedule and trying to get wins just to qualify for the playoffs.
I think the current ratios of fan base sizes are still similar now. FSU has the largest fan base, then Clemson, and so on... Of course ND has a larger fan base then all of them but they weren't on that chart. I believe ND has the 3rd largest fan base nationally and that's why they are such a valuable addition.
@@roris5882 Louisville wasn't even on that chart of 8 ACC schools but they draw the 2nd or 3rd Best TV Ratings EVERY YEAR. Did they join after 2011 or something? I don't remember when they got there.
If the ACC is going to move west, why not get Washington St. & Oregon St? They have more cache than Boise or SDSU coming from an existing power program.
I think Oregon State and Washington State should have been more of suggested add to ACC then your suggested Top 7 options you ranked.... If you think they are gonna be stubborn to rebuild the Pac-? then your even crazier to think your top 7 ranked minus Memphis/South Florida is involved in your ACC expansion candidates... Just looking at geographical superiority..
The Big 12 would gladly take MOST of any of the ACC. Yes, Boston College and Wake Forest are going to have to call the American for an invite. But ALL the rest of the schools will be divided up between the B1G, SEC, Big 12. Louisville and Pitt already have their Big 12 hats and shirts printed. Although it would be a wild idea to think that Louisville would get an SEC invite, unless there isn't much left, and the SEC wants to fill out their LEAGUE membership numbers.
@@nateg4582 You must have missed the Mountain West championship game. How are UNLV and Ohio State similar? Both schools colors are scarlet and gray and both schools football teams lost to Michigan last year.
If they can open the floodgates, it makes sense that some teams move. If we know anything it is that it won't make sense or flow. FSU and Clemson to the Big Ten to get them to 20 SEC also moves to 20 with UNC, NC St, UVA, VT (they decide to lock down 2 new states and not upset the others adding) Big 12 adds Miami, Pitt, Louisville, GT to go to 20 but decides now is the time to move to 24 before the others and also adds Syracuse, Duke, Wash St, Ore St ACC adds Memphis, Boise St, App St, Tulane, UConn, UNLV, Nevada, NM, NM St, Temple, SD St, Rice (or UTSA) Of course, none of this will happen
I have this crazy idea for the college football playoffs. Have the top 13 teams make the college playoffs. Then have the next group of 12 have an NIT tournament. But here’s the kicker. The winner of the NIT tournament gets a play in a play in game with the 14th team the following year automatically for winning the NIT tournament and each team that advance get to share in prize pool divided amongst the players and if by chance the team that wins the NIT qualifies automatically for the tournament the runner up to playing game with the 14th team. Just some kind of crazy ideal that I came up with and you can use the bowl games to run this tournament. That way you still have the sponsors in the bowl games mean something to the players and to the team and have some financial benefit. For each round money to split among the players and coaches. The more you advance in the tournament, the higher the price for money to split. Between the players. What do you think about this idea? I know it probably won’t work but it’s something to think about.
Pitt, Louisville, and VT would be in the B12 within seconds of an implosion. Va and NC will be in the B10 with maybe Duke, Miami, possibly ND. NCst, GT, and SMU could also be in the B12 with OrgSt and Wash St if they want to get bold and go 24.
I think the SEC and Big 10 are planning to split off from the rest of FBS once the ACC goes down, and they will coordinate bringing each of their conferences to 20, and negotiate between themselves who gets which teams. My guess is the SEC adds FSU, Miami, Clemson, and Oklahoma State, and the Big 10 adds Notre Dame and UNC. The 2 conferences will each host their own playoffs of 6-8 teams, and the winner of each conference plays for the P2 national championship
ND is going to have no choice but to join the P2 or get left behind if the SEC and Big 10 break off, and I really see almost no chance they don’t join the Big 10 once they are no longer contractually obligated to join the ACC if they join a conference. I could see UNC going to the SEC, but I really think the SEC and Big 10 are going to work together and negotiate, and if the SEC wants FSU and Clemson, they’ll have to concede ND and UNC
@@tarheel7460 Sorry, but you are confirmed to be ignorant and slow. The SEC will take UNC with any acceptable +Xs. UVA may depend on any hard package. If the SEC won't take a stringless UNC, the B1G would bump all others (including FSU) except ND to secure.
@@sirsmackstrikesback1611 "if the SEC wants FSU and Clemson, they’ll have to concede ND and UNC" The SEC doesn't really want FSU or CLEMSON. The SEC wants UNC and to a lesser UVA. Recent events indicate that the SEC has secured UNC once available, UNC will coattail CLEMSON if possible, and the SEC has ceded FSU and ND.
UVA is never coming to the SEC. They bring nothing to the table in football, and it’s big football brands that add anything to the SEC. That’s why FSU and Clemson will be their biggest targets. VA Tech would be more likely than UVA.
I doubt the SEC takes anymore schools. Theres a reason there is only 1 school per state beside the few exceptions. Texas has the market to support 2-4 teams in one conference and the other states have their power team and their secondary team.
Why does the Big 10 need Duke when they have Northwestern? UNC & Duke could still play FB or BB games like UK & Louisville do & those 2 schools are in different conferences.
If FSU and Clemson can get out, and they will, everyone else will too. They’ll be at the SEC for sure. Miami and GT will be in the B1G. From there the state of North Carolina is the tough one to figure out, but Virginia will eventually get to the B1G as well.
I think fsu and Clemson to the sec, Duke, NC state and NC to the bog 12, it's great basketball wise which is a strong suit for all the teams and is close geographical for most schools compared to standford in the acc
I'm sorry but I have to ask. Are you just making things up, or is it wishful thinking on your part? You have the Pac12 making more money than the Big12 & ACC on your chart, and they only have 2 schools! Where are you getting your information? 🤔😔☹️ Dude please!
FSU isn't going to the SEC. FSU's academics are great and it's in the Top 20 public universities in the USA. Miami(FL) is not a "big boy" in the ACC, either. Even the graphic you put in about the ACC teams' values was from 2011. Do you ever do any research before making these videos?
FSU is a great fit for the SEC! A public state school in a small southern city that is football centric. Second if the B10 is the new base line contracts, then the SEC contract is way undervalued and could exceed 125 mill based on past performances. Third I was there for both the LSU and Syracuse game. The atmosphere and attendance was night and day. Imagine the amount of money flowing in to the local economy if we are playing teams from the south versus Rutgers, NW, Indiana etc. Lastly, can you imagine the road nightmare for other sports traveling from NJ to Cali to Chicago versus South Carolina to Tennessee.
If I had to guess I’d guess that FSU will go B1G if offered an invite. FSU would come in at number 6 in the SEC so their academic fit would be better in the SEC but this isn’t about academics. It isn’t about athletics either because the SEC would be the better option for FSU’s student athletes as well. It’s more about hurt feelings and perhaps who would give them an invite more than anything else at this point.
FSU knows the only way to get their AAU membership is to join the B1G because the B1G has the academic resources and influence to help them get voted in. The SEC doesn't have that type of pull and the B1G isn't going to go out of their way to help them if they join the SEC.
Ginger - WHERE does that Grph come from? It isn't based on TV Viewership. And THAT is where the Value is. So EXPLAIN HOW UNC is 3rd when their TV Viewership is 7th in the ACC. But Louisville who was 2nd this year, but is usually 3rd in TV Viewership in the ACC does not appear in the TOP 8 shown on your graph. Explain that.
Make all schools be independent,make a playoff of 24 teams and be done with all conference and bowl games most players do not even play in them anyways the tv stations will come calling to the programs for ratings let them make there own deals fuck it all
Big 12 will definitely be hurting from football money but that conference will get most of the money during basketball i would rather watch KU vs any leftover ACC team then any BIG vs SEC basketball game
The B1G is at 18 and the SEC is at 16. I think, to hit 20, the SEC would be looking at FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, and North Carolina; and the B1G would be doing their best to convince Notre Dame to join and then probably look at Miami or Stanford.
We’re only attached to NCSU because their alums in the state legislature would never allow us to move onto greener pastures and leave them behind. I speak for most Carolina fans when I say that I would much rather Duke come with us to another conference than State.
I think you’re way off on one thing. Wherever North Carolina would go. All they have to have is a small agreement that their basketball team can have two out of conference games during their conference season. You preserve the Duke rivalry and you preserve the traditional times of the games on the calendar, that’s all North Carolina needs to have. I have family that went to Duke and some of them I’ve got a decent amount of money and they say that that rivalry matters more to those schools than anything football related to the alumni and the big money, donors. I think North Carolina would be a huge get for either the Big Ten or the SEC. I think they fit in either just fine as long as the Duke rivalry is preserved. There is less than 0% chance that the B10 or SEC is going to give Duke a full share of football revenue.
Things have changed, and UNC is now near certain to SEC. Moreover, it appears that neither UNC nor CLEMSON want to be associated with FSU on this matter.
@tarheel7406 We don't give a duck. Unless you're the lead dog, your only view is ass. $10 million reasons UNC may go to B10. It has become evident. All the talk from last year to now. FSU is the only one with a vested interest to blow up the ACC. UNC is being hamstrung by being in North Carolina. Go Noles! Let's Go!
Everything I've heard, is FSU to the Big 10. Idk why, if you are running the conference, to where it's pretty much 50/50, if you're going to win the conference, why you'd leave.
Yeah, you say this but think about the new contract deal without FSU, Clemson, and UNC. The rest of the ACC won't be satisfied with the low ball offer from ESPN. ACC commish, Jamee Phillips, is going to experience what Kiofkoff went through in trying find new media money that will appease the other schools. Remember, a partial payout from the B1G/SEC is still more than a full and lesser payout if they stay in the ACC. Miami and Duke might find homes based on brand recognition at a bargain rate. That then lessens the value of the ACC even more. Backfilling with the likes of Tulane, SDSU, Memphis, etc. wont move the needle.Other ACC schools get nervous and this is where Yormark shines. He'll perfectly time discussions with Louisville, Pitt, VT and maybe NC State if they're still on the table. The Big 12's sale pitch is "We may not be rich like the B1G/SEC but we're not poor either. We're like upper middle class. Plus, we'll build your brand. We can get you to the playoffs. No one here is 2nd Tier having to play 2nd fiddle to an OSU, an Alabama, an FSU. We're all equal."
a) ESPN preferred the PAC over the BIG12, but the PAC overvalued itself. b) ESPN signed the BIG12 and low balled the PACC due to ACC content then considered secured. c) The ACC's deal is already heavily discounted down to the Tier 2 level.
@@tarheel7406 I know, which has FSU and Clemson hot under the collar. But once they leave and the GOR ends in 2026 (assuming ESPN will not exercise it's option to extend to 2036), the ACC value is going to get worse. The next domino to fall could be UNC, UVA, Miami, Duke.The linchpin is UNC. If they stay, the ACC survives, but severely depreciated. If UNC decides on jumping (nevermind an NC State tag along package deal) then the ship is sunk. You can safely predict other ACC schools start looking for life lines in the Big 12. The Big 12 will cherry pick schools best fit or geographically advantageous. That would be Pitt, VT, NC State, and Louisville.
@@George-Kliavkoff4Big12 "But once they leave and the GOR ends in 2026 (assuming ESPN will not exercise it's option to extend to 2036), the ACC value is going to get worse. " a) The GOR ends per its terms in 2036. Its term is not set to the media deal. It's set to the max length of the media deal. b) No reason to believe that ESPN won't renew a heavily discounted deal. c) Of course the ACC's value will get worse. That's not the relevant trigger. "then the ship is sunk" The BIG12 has already sunk in this context. The question is how will the Tier 2 level look.
I know its all for money and recognition but i find it dumb that teams like Clemson want to leave the conference when they have a hard time winning against any of the acc competition that plan on staying and losing to them too
The SEC wont take anybody in a State where they already have a team. That's my guess. They made an exception in Texas but Texas is big enough for that.
24 teams 100% makes sense. You have 4 divisions of 6. Final week of the regular season you play a cross over matchup. This would base off of ranking. This sets up a semi final. But also the rest of the division would play the like seed of the other division that the 1 seed plays. Look at the B1G business model. They own every major market out side of Miami, Dallas and Atlanta. B1G adds 4, Miami, Ga Tech, FSU and Notre Dame SEC goes to 20/24 Clemson, North Carolina, Virginia Tech, Virginia, Louisville, Ok State Big 12 takes who they want that is left. Plus they love basketball schools and want to be in the northeast. Pitt, Syracuse, Duke, Nc State , Cal, Stanford, Oregon st and Washington st.
Somebody please explain how Cal and Stanford will be in the Atlantic Coast Conference when they are on the Pacific Coast? I feel like we are in bizarro world. None of this conference realignment crap makes any sense and is killing college football.
CAL & STANFORD highly value academic association and non-revenue sports. After the PAC de facto died and the B1G passed, the ACC was the next preference.
But yeah I’m with you if the ACC would collapse I’d rather see us in the Big East again idgaf about cuse football so they can figure that out themeselves
SEC needs Basketball Schools.. UNC is the #1 school for the SEC. NC State would work as well as Virginia. Clemson would round out the four. The BiG can get FSU , Miami ,GT and ND.
B1G wants Notre Dame, not Duke or North Carolina. Their are only 18 teams currently in the B1G, Notre Dame is the only team that works. We'd just have to find one more team after that.
5 ACC schools go to B10/SEC plus ND. B10 and SEC get 75%-80% of the total money available. I do agree that the B12 and remainder ACC schools merge. They get 15%-20% and the rest get 5%. This is not about creating a third super league. This is all about the haves dominating the haves spot. While the new B12 in this circumstance would be fun, it will not be competitive and the TV networks don't want them to be competitive. Playoffs expand to 16 teams and every once in a while you will see a B12 team in the playoffs.
The Big12 is the Leftover's League because they have no big brands or football blue bloods. So the ACC leftovers will probably head there after their bigger brands head to the B1G and SEC, the Super League. The Big12 will probably end up being used as a farm league for the Super League because their best players will head to the higher tiered league to maximize their revenue and get better exposure.
@@roris5882 Yep. Although I am excited to see WV and Pitt again in the same conference, that rivalry plus the Holy War can't make the B12 nearly equal to what is happening. I think something like 75% of the top 250 2024 recruits went to the B10/SEC. The gap is already getting significantly worse.
@@TheHamsterfist I say screw the other conferences. Give me WVU/Pitt. You do this for the fans. The money is always gonna be there. We should have the SEC slogan that "It just means more." Hell the SEC's new slogan is "We just get paid more." ha ha. Oh, and I'm from Texas, but I support all my Big 12 schools. If Pitt, Louisville, and/or VT joined the Big 12, I'd support them, too.
Me too. I would hate to see UNC get embarrassed in football by powerhouses. We've suffered enough, why go to a bigger conference just to lose by 20? Although recruiting could be better, who knows?
@alexcuevas5633 that's not my point. We will struggle in football in either conference. But I just can't get excited playing Purdue, Northwestern, Rutgers, Iowa, Indiana regularly. I would still take interest in playing any and all of the SEC teams however. UNC is a southern team. I just cant take any interest on playing these northern BIG 10 teams on a regular basis. Please SEC if we are going to move. I will vomit the day we join the BIG 10 and check out on college sports.
Makes no sense. ND would have already joined the ACC with a new media deal to keep FSU/CLEMSON. ND won't join a depleted ACC. That window has closed. Moreover, the ACC has already preemptively backfilled for FSU & CLEMSON.
@@tarheel7406hadn't you thought they should backfill little bit further just to keep the conference a little more stable. And good luck to your tarheels in 2024.
@@nateg4582 ESPN/FOX were perfectly happy with a 12-team new BIG12 and effectively capped growth to 16. The future ~24-team each SEC and B1G will have the gravity to remain stable, but the Tier 2s won't. Smaller Tier 2 mostly regionals will work better anyway. I originally only addressed ND joining the ACC + more backfill. That clearly doesn't make sense. ND is just delaying the inevitable and will join a P2 when playoff access is at risk. Moreover, FSU/CLEMSON are low SEC priorities, and the ACC wouldn't add anymore (unless ND) if "only" FSU/CLEMSON left.
UNLV makes zero sense to me, honestly at the mountain west conference championship game that was hosted in Vegas, Boise state almost had just as many fans there as UNLV. Their main problem I think is that people who live in Vegas don’t care about a UNLV football game cause at the end of the day if they do care about football, they go to a Raiders games, other than that there is a billion of other things to do in Vegas. Not to mention that UNLV doesn’t even have their own stadium and this is literally the first year they’ve ever made it to the mountain west conference championship game and lost, they play at allegiant and need to pay the NFL every game day. I’d say the ACC needs to just completely poach the top of the mountain west including Boise State, San Diego state and Fresno state, add in Memphis and create a western division to mediate travel costs, especially when you consider sports like softball or baseball that play a ton of games. This is my thoughts at least
I will happily take any bet for Clemson or FSU getting out of the ACC this summer. There is no way in hell FSU is not paying 600 million plus in Grant of rights and exit fees. Who is going to pay these exit fees? ESPN owns both the SEC and the ACC. They did not pay for a 9th SEC conference game. Why would they pay more for content they already own?
FSU isn't paying much to get out of their horrible ACC deal because the conference violated their portion of the contract and FSU Board never signed the GOR. That's why the ACC is trying to prevent people from seeing their contracts. But I agree that FSU probably won't be leaving the ACC this Summer unless the ACC refuses to pay them for last year. Then they will be able to claim the ACC is illegally withholding their revenue and will leave right away for their own survival and battle it out in court for the next 10 to 20 years. By then the ACC most likely won't even exist.
I don’t understand how you don’t see that there’s going to be more value in the big 12 over the ACC when Florida State Miami, Clemson, North Carolina Virginia and Virginia Tech all leave the conference I just don’t see how pit or Georgia Tech would want to stay when they can easily join the big 12 with Virginia Tech. It really depends on if the big 12 can pick up another 3 to 4 teams to complete the dissolve, the ACC
@@tarheel7406 you do know that Virginia Tech does want to leave the ACC if Florida Clemson and all the other schools leave they want to go to the big 12 there’s not a lot of value in the ACC especially when ESPN terminates their contract next year
@@alexa7736 Nope. VATECH doesn't want to downgrade to the new BIG12, hence it voted for the +3. There's no reason to believe that ESPN will terminate the ACC's media deal.
@@Rodkicks88 The BIG12 is a downgrade whether or not the ACC dissolves, which is highly unlikely. BIG12 fans don't realize, rational or not, how the B12 is viewed by the other P4 schools. After a decade of depletion and backfill, the BIG12 is the least prestigious, athletically and academically.
I personally never thought Stanford and California should've been added to the ACC. I would've taken in Appalachian State, Marshall, Tulane, and Memphis, and USF over them.
Once the ACC collapses, Wake Forest is the odd man out. Everybody else will find a home in the P2 or Big 12 as long as they don't overrate their value or (in SMU's case) have enough cash on hand.
@@tarheel7406 We already went over this 5 times bro. And I've seen you using my framework to have this same debate all over the place. We're on the same side.
@@xfacta334 Nope. The ACC would have to heavily deplete out to the SEC/B1G before any ACC remainder would consider the BIG12 ~and~ there's no purpose served by moving. The then BIG12 would be Tier 1 irrelevant. My "framework" is at least 2 years old.
@@tarheel7406 I know all of that already considering thats exactly what I explained to you before in detail down to the options each team would have on the market. I also broke down what purpose the new Big 12 would serve in the grand scheme and you vehemently disagreed with that because your framework is based around the ACC still having Tier 1 revelance and the B12 being beneath them. There is no ACC rebuild to survive this next move. All 3 chairs are already occupied. The ACC is dead.
@@xfacta334 Nope.... a) The current ACC and new BIG12 both have Tier 1 relevance as things stand. b) The ACC will deplete down to the Tier 2 with peer per team media value with the already Tier 2 BIG12. c) The BIG12 can only tread water (at best) in average media value. d) The P2 will only increase in value, power and exposure. Of course, the current ACC is far better than the new BIG12 on every material factor as would be expected at this stage. After the P2 consolidation, each Tier 2 will think it's the better Tier 2 from their respective perspectives. The BIG12 has no, zero, nada path to be a peer P3. The gap to the P2 will only grow. To stay relevant, the BIG12 needs the ACC to remain intact, but that won't happen. In context, the BIG12 is already dead. The Tier 2s will be better as smaller regionals.
Cal Stanford Oregon State Washington state should join the mountain west .the mountain west should rebrand itself . And it doesn’t matter if you’re a power of five or a group of five or whatever you wanna call it with the playoff expanding to 12 teams even Appalachian State could get into the playoffs. This is a dumb move and I know my idea is better.
I maintain that a new PAC will have to include 3 or all of the 4Cs to draw CALFORDD back. Academics and non-revenue sports are too important for the pair.
ESPN holds all the cards in the future of the ACC. The exit of the football powers as FSU & Clemson will allow ESPN to re-open the ACC TV contract. All ESPN needs to do is ditch the ACC TV contract or even low ball the ACC on the contract renewal. FOX will not run to the rescue just like the PAC was left out to die. All the ACC schools left by the P2 will then scurry to join the Big-12. The ACC may still survive by adding G5 schools, however their P5 status will be lost.
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Cal and Stanford 2700 miles to travel to the ACC seems crazy to me. This whole conference realignment will be a wild thing to watch this season.
Hawaii travels at least 2500 miles for all of their sports. No big deal.
@@Alohanate2004 Very true. I would think since 1909 they have adapted to schedule changes and what not. I fear Stanford and Cal are going to have a few year till they adjust, I guess we’ll have to wait and see!
Rutgers to UCLA
Not only are they traveling so much, but they're doing it at reduced revenues from the ACC too.
@@trclark7689 But they will make MORE in the ACC than they did in the PAC... so it is an INCREASE
I'm an FSU fan and to date, as far as TH-cam goes, you're the only guy on TH-cam that's pushing an FSU to the SEC narrative. Virtually everyone thinks FSU to the B1G is a done deal. I'm not sure if you're informed on FSU's history, but FSU and the SEC have a VERY strained relationship stemming from the SEC declining FSU for two decades, then getting upset when they finally came around to giving FSU an invite and FSU spurning them for the ACC. The SEC was so butthurt that aside from the Gators, the SEC refused to schedule FSU for a decade.
Lets also not forget how horrible the relationship between FSU and ESPN and the State of Florida and Disney is.
I'd love to see FSU in the SEC, but it's not going to happen.
FSU has beef with ESPN too. Why would they continue to be under ESPN? They would rather be under Fox. ESPN also could have appeased FSU by saying, we won't charge you the gor if you just move to the SEC.
Question is if ESPN hates FSU enough to let the FOX get the money value that FSU brings.
@@buddylewis9901 they don't get much of a say if FSU wins this lawsuit.
@@buddylewis9901 I think FSU's hate for ESPN is a lot stronger than ESPN's hate for FSU. Personally, I think ESPN shills for the SEC over everyone and deservedly so. The SEC is ESPN's cash cow. I think ESPN would be stupid to let FSU go to Fox, but I'm not sure if they'll be able to pull FSU and the SEC together.
FSU will only join the big ten if they get aau status
I really want a wac situation where the size makes the conference implode on itself
Florida state is going to the Big. It's a done deal
They're gonna stay crying in the ACC
They're more likely to go to the SEC than the Big Ten.
@@nateg4582 An an Ohio St fan, wouldn’t you want FSU in the Big ten for the satisfaction that you could beat them every 4 years on their home field and emasculate their home state recruiting efforts similar to how you emasculate Maryland and their Baltimore talent?
@@ronelite582How does FSU joining the Big 10 enhance Ohio State's recruiting in Florida? They already recruit well there.
@@michaelbee2165 Yes that’s true but once they’re outperforming fsu and solidify themselves as the current and future face of the league; they’ll permanently supplant the better options that would pick fsu in past commitments. Similar to how OSU dominates talent in the DMV/Maryland area over the Terps. Also, UGA, UF ( with more competent coaching) Bama, LSU, and Texas will also select top talent from the state. fsu in the big would basically expand recruiting grounds for the top programs of the Big 10; especially IF they have down years.
If the Big12 could snag VT, NC State, GT & Pitt oh man that makes for a very fun conference.
Need Louisville
@@captainspartan04 Now that you mention it I agree. I say replace Pitt with Louisville.
Louisville, Pitt, NC St, and VT, or Duke.
I think adding memphis makes a lot of sense. They have made a NY6 game recently, won more games on football than aby ither AAC team that left for the Big12, have had 2 #1 recruiting classes in basketball. Those are good things for even a power conference team. They have a higher upside than any other group of five team in my opinion. What they haven't done is take advantage of their opportunities. They should have been in at least two more NY6 games, Missing two field goals on the last play of the game That would have either put them in one or put them in position to be in one. They only had one tournament win with those two number one classes. Regardless of this, There is much more potential there than any other G5 team available. Given some resources and a better conference, They may be a school that benefits greatly from a change of scenery.
Question, does Miamis value on that graph for let’s say the Big10 diminish if FSU goes there first?
The only way FSU goes to the B1G is as a package deal with Miami. ESPN owns the TV rights to both ACC and SEC, so they would prefer FSU to the SEC, rather than lose them to Fox.
My man, FSU is NOT going to the SEC. They are going to the Big10.
Why would FSU go to the Big 12 conference that doesn't even make sense at all
@@damascuslutin3956he said Big Ten
@@damascuslutin3956who said Big 12 😂🤣😂
B1G doesn’t want FSU it’s been said and been known B1G has enough tier 3 programs no need to add another who things they are bigger than everybody else
Fla state is Headed to B1G
Big 12: Miami, Pittsburgh, Louisville, Duke
Big 10: FSU, Clemson
SEC: NC State, Virginia Tech, Virginia, North Carolina
ACC: SMU, CAL, Stanford, Washington State, Oregon State, Memphis, Tulane, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, Syracuse, Boston College, Norte Dame, UNLV, San Diego State, APP State, Boise State
CLEMSON has gotten no interest from the BIG TEN Dabo swinney is one of the biggest reasons why
Clemson won’t likely leave until after 2030
I like what ur thinking. App state is a great fit for the ACC for how good football and basketball are doing
Good luck getting ACC remainders to downgrade (from their perspective) to the new BIG12.
Doesn’t line up with the B1G academically
I don't think people understand the culture at these ACC schools. They aren't going to the big-12. It's not going to be an upgrade, even if this unlikely big-10/sec scenario was going to happen.
I don't know if Clemson is desired. Believe me that I want them to be, I'd take them, I think passing on them is dumb, but I think there's a reason why that camp is so quiet.
The SEC isn't taking four NC/VA schools. They'll take one of each. I don't know that the big-10 would take 1 of each though. I think they'd only take UVA and UNC but the prize there is UNC and UVA is the tolerable add on. NCSU and VT aren't the same quality of package deal... especially with the decline of VT football.
The ACC won't expand out west if they can help it. Eastern options will be favored. Stanford and Cal wouldn't even want most every team listed there, even former conference mates I suspect.
Uconn, Temple, Delaware (moving to FBS), USF (especially in your scenario where they lost all Florida schools), UAB are all better options than most that list (Tulane and perhaps Memphis excepted, though memphis academics are pretty atrocious).
Boise, App state are laughable non-options.
Good to see Memphis get some love from somebody
Any chance ACC grabs Oregon St & Wash St, to balance out the west wing? (If they lose 2 -5)
A low chance.
I say that is very likely to happen since it will be the last true P5 schools now becoming P4 that ACC could add in conjunction with MWC and AAC and SBC schools and two Big East schools that will be added as full members and then comes the service academies for all sports and push that.
If the ACC does this what I think they should do, it will be nearly impossible to lose Autonomy Status and get way less money than the Big12 but probably equal revenue but obviously below SEC and BiG10.
I suspect that 6-7 schools will leave the ACC. Depressed Ginger is a BiG10 bozo and Ohio State grad goof. All media sources have pointed out that FSU and Miami are most likely going to BiG10 not SEC. UVA, VT, UNC, and NCST are linked to go to the SEC as it stands. Clemson or GT would be another school that might leave but not guaranteed to.
So my suggestions for adds if lose 6-7 schools are as follows:
WazzU
OzzU
San Diego St
Colorado St
UTSA or Rice
Tulane
USF
Villanova
UCONN
Air Force
Army
Navy
JMU or ODU or both
CCU or App St or neither
This is not the perfect alignment and replacement scenario but is solid and keeps the conference core primarily along the Atlantic Seaboard and Eastern Time Zone. Now again if only 2-4 schools leave then only 6-8 schools listed here get added and still counting Notre Dame is in all sports except football still. The schools I mentioned are the ones ND and others play often or regularly and have decent to moderate success against other conferences.
Washington St and Oregone St would rather resurrect the PAC by creating a Super G5 league imo. Keeps it much more regional. May not be what happens, but they have done more to do that than try and join the ACC, probably bc its a more realistic scenario
I think there is a chance that the Beavers and Cougars could get in if they can't resurrect the Pac-12 (or whatever is it)
@@tarheel7460. At least he puts his takes out there. Do you ?
14:34 Correction: ACC does Not have any media deal After 2026....
Acc goes to open market the spring 2025 after espn decline to extend. Amazon CW may then extend offers to the Acc who will then be in the same Pac10 predicament of '23
No reason to believe that ESPN doesn't renew a heavily discounted deal.
After bigger brands leave ,will renew at a even bigger discount than they already have .
@@jeffmorgan9337 "After bigger brands leave ,will renew at a even bigger discount than they already have ."
No..., the loss in value would come out of excess profits rather than lower the price. The deal just wouldn't be as heaviy discounted.
Don't be naive, the ACC will blow up. Besides FSU and Clemson, the Big 10 expands to 24 teams. Invites Georgia Tech for the Atlanta TV market, TCU for the 5th largest TV market and Arizona for the PHX market. It's all about TV not butts in the stands.
Pac 12 with Kansas, ok st, Houston, TCU? What might have been?
The only way the SEC would take FSU is for defensive purposes against the BIG10.
Correct, and that is the smartest play. No way does the SEC lets the BIG 10 in the sate of Florida. They could lose so much resources.
ESPN has a huge say in this. ESPN owns TV rights for both ACC and SEC. FSU moving to SEC helps everyone, including SEC and ESPN. If FSU goes to B1G, ESPN loses those rights and SEC allows B1G to move into Florida, at which point B1G would also pursue Miami and be the dominant conference in the #1 recruiting region. Seems this would be worth moving past any past grievances between SEC and FSU.
B1G wants Virginia, NC and FSU is my understanding. They might would take Miami to round it out but idk. For B1G its about academics too. Being part of the research association.
I keep hearing rumors from people claiming to know inside info that Florida State would be going the Big 10... Not the SEC...
How is UNC better than NC State in football? UNC has lost the last 3 times they played State & NCSU is 7-3 in their last 10 games against each other.
Higher ceiling for starters.
@tarheel7406 on paper, maybe. But, they're historically a program that recruits for recruiting ranking rather than schematic fit and get a bump on a lot of their recruits from 247 because InsideCarolina is one of their 2 largest sites by subscriber base and they want to keep them excited and paying for subscriptions. It's like how 24 hour news channels make things a bigger story than they are so you keep watching. Over the past few years, the only high school recruits that were big names that have actually lived up to the hype are Maye, Downs, and Hampton. There are far more stories like Tony Grimes and Keeshawn Silver though.
When the 2 major Conferences get to 24 teams they each will hold a playoff for the conference championships
Agreed, could see this coming about a year ago
I agree with this 100%.
North Carolina is a far better fit, and provides much more value for the Big Ten then Miami and Georgia Tech does, and it’s not even close. Doesn’t mean that is going to happen though.
If you're ask anyone from north carolina they will tell you that. People outside of North carolina don't quite feel as strong about it. I'm not saying it isn't a good fit, bc it is, but fans of the Big 10 and SEC are not exactly clamoring for UNC. I don't think they would be opposed to it, but it's not getting them as excited as FSU or Clemson. But it isn't fans who decide it.
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UNC is a basketball school in a basketball state. Football is the engine that pulls the train. UNC is #46 in viewership, for comparison, next door Tennessee is #13 in a smaller state. Why isn’t UNC #12? Because they are not in a football market. College football is a multi billion dollar a year entertainment business. Viewership matters. Eyeballs = Money. No eyeballs, no money.
@@505premoto Must be a shock to FSU fans that not only is it seen as inferior to FLORIDA but also to schools like UNC and most likely UVA.
FSU would have been far better served by acknowledging and respecting its peers during this realignment.
@@tarheel7406 They don’t have any peers in the ACC. Certainly not the #46 school who is a financial drag. FSU is said to be worth between 23-32% of the value of the conference, well over double the value of your school. Talk about inferior.
Clemson, FSU and North Carolina are the 3 most valuable programs left on the chess board. I agree with this analysis although I do think there could be one late curve ball with NC/Clemson teaming up to the SEC and FSU to the B10. North Carolina may also pull NC State with them as well.
I’ve long said that the SEC would be willing to add NCST if it ensures UNC to the SEC. We’ll see how it shakes out.
@@jansonroberts2616 I don't think so, I think the SEC will say it's UNC or it's none and the board will buckle to getting one school to stay relevant instead of zero.
What about Notre Dame?
@@johnmandock56 I see ND as so secure they are the only institution that can make any decision they like and be fine. Everyone wants them and they are powerful enough and rich enough to remain independent if they want. A league of their own.
@@booster222jc then why haven't they won anything in years. They're a fraud and a phony. Every time they play really good team they get blown out. They get blown out in the playoffs when they make it and they can blown out another games. I'm tired of them playing a week schedule and trying to get wins just to qualify for the playoffs.
You’re using a graph and data from 2011?
I think the current ratios of fan base sizes are still similar now. FSU has the largest fan base, then Clemson, and so on... Of course ND has a larger fan base then all of them but they weren't on that chart. I believe ND has the 3rd largest fan base nationally and that's why they are such a valuable addition.
@@roris5882 Louisville wasn't even on that chart of 8 ACC schools but they draw the 2nd or 3rd Best TV Ratings EVERY YEAR. Did they join after 2011 or something? I don't remember when they got there.
If the ACC is going to move west, why not get Washington St. & Oregon St? They have more cache than Boise or SDSU coming from an existing power program.
I think Oregon State and Washington State should have been more of suggested add to ACC then your suggested Top 7 options you ranked....
If you think they are gonna be stubborn to rebuild the Pac-? then your even crazier to think your top 7 ranked minus Memphis/South Florida is involved in your ACC expansion candidates...
Just looking at geographical superiority..
What has happened with the suggestion of 4 conferences of 16 teams in regions?
That was never suggested by anyone involved
The Big 12 would gladly take MOST of any of the ACC. Yes, Boston College and Wake Forest are going to have to call the American for an invite. But ALL the rest of the schools will be divided up between the B1G, SEC, Big 12. Louisville and Pitt already have their Big 12 hats and shirts printed. Although it would be a wild idea to think that Louisville would get an SEC invite, unless there isn't much left, and the SEC wants to fill out their LEAGUE membership numbers.
If ACC schools are moving to the BIG12, the BIG12 won't be relevant in football.
ACC is toast
Big conferences will probably add extra conference playoff game. A 4 team playoff for conference championship. More games more money
UNLV also plays in a pretty nice stadium.
I agree, it's a nice stadium. In my opinion, it's nice enough to host a Super Bowl.
But UNLV football is a joke.
@@nateg4582
You must have missed the Mountain West championship game.
How are UNLV and Ohio State similar?
Both schools colors are scarlet and gray and both schools football teams lost to Michigan last year.
If they can open the floodgates, it makes sense that some teams move. If we know anything it is that it won't make sense or flow.
FSU and Clemson to the Big Ten to get them to 20
SEC also moves to 20 with UNC, NC St, UVA, VT (they decide to lock down 2 new states and not upset the others adding)
Big 12 adds Miami, Pitt, Louisville, GT to go to 20 but decides now is the time to move to 24 before the others and also adds Syracuse, Duke, Wash St, Ore St
ACC adds Memphis, Boise St, App St, Tulane, UConn, UNLV, Nevada, NM, NM St, Temple, SD St, Rice (or UTSA)
Of course, none of this will happen
Geographically I thought VT would be a great fit in the BIG. They already complete with Penn State in recruiting.
I have this crazy idea for the college football playoffs. Have the top 13 teams make the college playoffs. Then have the next group of 12 have an NIT tournament. But here’s the kicker. The winner of the NIT tournament gets a play in a play in game with the 14th team the following year automatically for winning the NIT tournament and each team that advance get to share in prize pool divided amongst the players and if by chance the team that wins the NIT qualifies automatically for the tournament the runner up to playing game with the 14th team. Just some kind of crazy ideal that I came up with and you can use the bowl games to run this tournament. That way you still have the sponsors in the bowl games mean something to the players and to the team and have some financial benefit. For each round money to split among the players and coaches. The more you advance in the tournament, the higher the price for money to split. Between the players. What do you think about this idea? I know it probably won’t work but it’s something to think about.
Pitt, Louisville, and VT would be in the B12 within seconds of an implosion. Va and NC will be in the B10 with maybe Duke, Miami, possibly ND. NCst, GT, and SMU could also be in the B12 with OrgSt and Wash St if they want to get bold and go 24.
The Top Big 12 schools will all be in the ACC in 5 years.
There will be no IMPLOSION of the ACC after it BURNS FSU to the ground.
Their strong support of adding CAL, etc. says otherwise. The BIG12 is a downgrade frio the perspective of outside P$ schools.
Duke are elitist. They are disgusted by the thought of big-12.
@@tarheel7460 Nope
I think the SEC and Big 10 are planning to split off from the rest of FBS once the ACC goes down, and they will coordinate bringing each of their conferences to 20, and negotiate between themselves who gets which teams. My guess is the SEC adds FSU, Miami, Clemson, and Oklahoma State, and the Big 10 adds Notre Dame and UNC. The 2 conferences will each host their own playoffs of 6-8 teams, and the winner of each conference plays for the P2 national championship
As things stand, the SEC is very unlikely to cede UNC to the B1G. Moreover, ND has too any entanglements and likely won't play along.
ND is going to have no choice but to join the P2 or get left behind if the SEC and Big 10 break off, and I really see almost no chance they don’t join the Big 10 once they are no longer contractually obligated to join the ACC if they join a conference. I could see UNC going to the SEC, but I really think the SEC and Big 10 are going to work together and negotiate, and if the SEC wants FSU and Clemson, they’ll have to concede ND and UNC
@@tarheel7460 Sorry, but you are confirmed to be ignorant and slow.
The SEC will take UNC with any acceptable +Xs. UVA may depend on any hard package.
If the SEC won't take a stringless UNC, the B1G would bump all others (including FSU) except ND to secure.
@@sirsmackstrikesback1611 "if the SEC wants FSU and Clemson, they’ll have to concede ND and UNC"
The SEC doesn't really want FSU or CLEMSON. The SEC wants UNC and to a lesser UVA. Recent events indicate that the SEC has secured UNC once available, UNC will coattail CLEMSON if possible, and the SEC has ceded FSU and ND.
UVA is never coming to the SEC. They bring nothing to the table in football, and it’s big football brands that add anything to the SEC. That’s why FSU and Clemson will be their biggest targets. VA Tech would be more likely than UVA.
I doubt the SEC takes anymore schools. Theres a reason there is only 1 school per state beside the few exceptions. Texas has the market to support 2-4 teams in one conference and the other states have their power team and their secondary team.
Conferences limit to 18 max. One dedicated opponent every year, versus 8 rotational, for 9 total conference games.
Why does the Big 10 need Duke when they have Northwestern? UNC & Duke could still play FB or BB games like UK & Louisville do & those 2 schools are in different conferences.
DUKE is far more valuable than NWEST, though that doesn't mean a Tier 1 landing.
If FSU, Miami, & Clemson left the ACC…it’s over.
How are each leaving and to where?
An ACC that "just" loses those three easily survives as a Tier 2.
@tarheel7460 Nope.
Curious, if and when ESPN does renew, will you be deleting your comments as you have done in the past?
I think that the only ACC team that the SEC would have enough interest in is UNC.
If I was the B10, the first two teams I would want are UNC and UVa.
Right now Uva has VT attached to them so it may be whoever takes one may have to take both
If FSU and Clemson can get out, and they will, everyone else will too. They’ll be at the SEC for sure. Miami and GT will be in the B1G. From there the state of North Carolina is the tough one to figure out, but Virginia will eventually get to the B1G as well.
I think fsu and Clemson to the sec, Duke, NC state and NC to the bog 12, it's great basketball wise which is a strong suit for all the teams and is close geographical for most schools compared to standford in the acc
Not sure how the ACC adds more teams from the middle of the country and the west coast without changing the conference name.
I'm sorry but I have to ask. Are you just making things up, or is it wishful thinking on your part? You have the Pac12 making more money than the Big12 & ACC on your chart, and they only have 2 schools! Where are you getting your information? 🤔😔☹️ Dude please!
FSU isn't going to the SEC. FSU's academics are great and it's in the Top 20 public universities in the USA. Miami(FL) is not a "big boy" in the ACC, either. Even the graphic you put in about the ACC teams' values was from 2011. Do you ever do any research before making these videos?
FSU is a great fit for the SEC! A public state school in a small southern city that is football centric. Second if the B10 is the new base line contracts, then the SEC contract is way undervalued and could exceed 125 mill based on past performances. Third I was there for both the LSU and Syracuse game. The atmosphere and attendance was night and day. Imagine the amount of money flowing in to the local economy if we are playing teams from the south versus Rutgers, NW, Indiana etc. Lastly, can you imagine the road nightmare for other sports traveling from NJ to Cali to Chicago versus South Carolina to Tennessee.
If I had to guess I’d guess that FSU will go B1G if offered an invite. FSU would come in at number 6 in the SEC so their academic fit would be better in the SEC but this isn’t about academics. It isn’t about athletics either because the SEC would be the better option for FSU’s student athletes as well. It’s more about hurt feelings and perhaps who would give them an invite more than anything else at this point.
FSU knows the only way to get their AAU membership is to join the B1G because the B1G has the academic resources and influence to help them get voted in. The SEC doesn't have that type of pull and the B1G isn't going to go out of their way to help them if they join the SEC.
@@roris5882 Nice admission that the B1G has corrupted the AAU.
@@roris5882AAU doesn’t give a damn about your sports. 🤷🏾♂️
Ginger - WHERE does that Grph come from?
It isn't based on TV Viewership. And THAT is where the Value is.
So EXPLAIN HOW UNC is 3rd when their TV Viewership is 7th in the ACC.
But Louisville who was 2nd this year, but is usually 3rd in TV Viewership in the ACC does not appear in the TOP 8 shown on your graph. Explain that.
All those G5 schools will look GREAT in the Big 12 soon.
You know, a few seasons ago I wanted the group of 5 teams to get more recognition , and it has happened only because of conference realignment....😂😂😂
Watch conferences trade teams. To get things more geographical
i heard rumors of ga tech talking to the big 12..
If I’m the Big 12 I want some combination of NC, NC St, Duke, VT and VA.
Unlikely the BIG12 would get any of those.
I hope the B1G and SEC pass on GT. That could be UCF's travel partner.
GT burnt all bridges when it left the SEC. No worries there.
FSU has always been solid in Hoop.
curious if theres an updated graph instead of one from 2011, I don't see VT being worth more combining football and basketball than UVA
Make all schools be independent,make a playoff of 24 teams and be done with all conference and bowl games most players do not even play in them anyways the tv stations will come calling to the programs for ratings let them make there own deals fuck it all
Big 12 will definitely be hurting from football money but that conference will get most of the money during basketball i would rather watch KU vs any leftover ACC team then any BIG vs SEC basketball game
The B1G is at 18 and the SEC is at 16. I think, to hit 20, the SEC would be looking at FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, and North Carolina; and the B1G would be doing their best to convince Notre Dame to join and then probably look at Miami or Stanford.
Stanford ?? No way. B1G wants Miami, UNC (with nc state & Duke) or VA. That’s it!
You just showed us an outdated chart from 2011. North Carolina is attached to NCS and no one else.
We’re only attached to NCSU because their alums in the state legislature would never allow us to move onto greener pastures and leave them behind. I speak for most Carolina fans when I say that I would much rather Duke come with us to another conference than State.
@@banksavram as long as Wake isn't attached, it's a good deal.
I think you’re way off on one thing. Wherever North Carolina would go. All they have to have is a small agreement that their basketball team can have two out of conference games during their conference season. You preserve the Duke rivalry and you preserve the traditional times of the games on the calendar, that’s all North Carolina needs to have. I have family that went to Duke and some of them I’ve got a decent amount of money and they say that that rivalry matters more to those schools than anything football related to the alumni and the big money, donors.
I think North Carolina would be a huge get for either the Big Ten or the SEC. I think they fit in either just fine as long as the Duke rivalry is preserved.
There is less than 0% chance that the B10 or SEC is going to give Duke a full share of football revenue.
Nah! FSU is B10 bound. The only question is North Carolina coming.
If North Carolina goes would UVA and VT stay or go with??
No, UNC is SEC bound if and when they leave the ACC. FSU and Miami are probably bound for the B1G if and when they leave the ACC.
Things have changed, and UNC is now near certain to SEC. Moreover, it appears that neither UNC nor CLEMSON want to be associated with FSU on this matter.
@tarheel7406 We don't give a duck. Unless you're the lead dog, your only view is ass.
$10 million reasons UNC may go to B10.
It has become evident. All the talk from last year to now. FSU is the only one with a vested interest to blow up the ACC. UNC is being hamstrung by being in North Carolina.
Go Noles!
Let's Go!
@@jansonroberts2616 As I stated in a previous post.
$10 million reasons UNC to be B10 bound. I'm on the Board of Trustees. I'm just saying😄😄😄
Everything I've heard, is FSU to the Big 10. Idk why, if you are running the conference, to where it's pretty much 50/50, if you're going to win the conference, why you'd leave.
UNC and ncsu are a pretty locked up package deal I actually think Duke and wake would be the schools on the outside looking in out of the NC schools
Yeah, you say this but think about the new contract deal without FSU, Clemson, and UNC. The rest of the ACC won't be satisfied with the low ball offer from ESPN. ACC commish, Jamee Phillips, is going to experience what Kiofkoff went through in trying find new media money that will appease the other schools. Remember, a partial payout from the B1G/SEC is still more than a full and lesser payout if they stay in the ACC. Miami and Duke might find homes based on brand recognition at a bargain rate. That then lessens the value of the ACC even more. Backfilling with the likes of Tulane, SDSU, Memphis, etc. wont move the needle.Other ACC schools get nervous and this is where Yormark shines. He'll perfectly time discussions with Louisville, Pitt, VT and maybe NC State if they're still on the table. The Big 12's sale pitch is "We may not be rich like the B1G/SEC but we're not poor either. We're like upper middle class. Plus, we'll build your brand. We can get you to the playoffs. No one here is 2nd Tier having to play 2nd fiddle to an OSU, an Alabama, an FSU. We're all equal."
a) ESPN preferred the PAC over the BIG12, but the PAC overvalued itself.
b) ESPN signed the BIG12 and low balled the PACC due to ACC content then considered secured.
c) The ACC's deal is already heavily discounted down to the Tier 2 level.
@@tarheel7406 I know, which has FSU and Clemson hot under the collar. But once they leave and the GOR ends in 2026 (assuming ESPN will not exercise it's option to extend to 2036), the ACC value is going to get worse. The next domino to fall could be UNC, UVA, Miami, Duke.The linchpin is UNC. If they stay, the ACC survives, but severely depreciated. If UNC decides on jumping (nevermind an NC State tag along package deal) then the ship is sunk. You can safely predict other ACC schools start looking for life lines in the Big 12. The Big 12 will cherry pick schools best fit or geographically advantageous. That would be Pitt, VT, NC State, and Louisville.
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"But once they leave and the GOR ends in 2026 (assuming ESPN will not exercise it's option to extend to 2036), the ACC value is going to get worse. "
a) The GOR ends per its terms in 2036. Its term is not set to the media deal. It's set to the max length of the media deal.
b) No reason to believe that ESPN won't renew a heavily discounted deal.
c) Of course the ACC's value will get worse. That's not the relevant trigger.
"then the ship is sunk"
The BIG12 has already sunk in this context. The question is how will the Tier 2 level look.
I know its all for money and recognition but i find it dumb that teams like Clemson want to leave the conference when they have a hard time winning against any of the acc competition that plan on staying and losing to them too
Long term planning vs short term planning
The SEC wont take anybody in a State where they already have a team. That's my guess. They made an exception in Texas but Texas is big enough for that.
24 teams 100% makes sense.
You have 4 divisions of 6.
Final week of the regular season you play a cross over matchup. This would base off of ranking. This sets up a semi final. But also the rest of the division would play the like seed of the other division that the 1 seed plays.
Look at the B1G business model. They own every major market out side of Miami, Dallas and Atlanta.
B1G adds 4, Miami, Ga Tech, FSU and Notre Dame
SEC goes to 20/24
Clemson, North Carolina, Virginia Tech, Virginia, Louisville, Ok State
Big 12 takes who they want that is left. Plus they love basketball schools and want to be in the northeast. Pitt, Syracuse, Duke, Nc State , Cal, Stanford, Oregon st and Washington st.
If the SEC and B1G go to 24 each, the BIG12 would be Tier 1 irrelevant and it going to 24 would serve no purpose.
IMO, UNC would bring along NC State due to the political situation in North Carolina. Louisville probably wouldn’t be a consideration for the SEC.
@@tarheel7460 Yep.
I can reply sans substance as well.
Somebody please explain how Cal and Stanford will be in the Atlantic Coast Conference when they are on the Pacific Coast? I feel like we are in bizarro world. None of this conference realignment crap makes any sense and is killing college football.
Desperation
CAL & STANFORD highly value academic association and non-revenue sports. After the PAC de facto died and the B1G passed, the ACC was the next preference.
USC, UCLA, Washington and Oregon are going to NJ, MD also it's all about the money 🤑💰
@@tarheel7460The reason they’re in the ACC is exactly as your papa said. 😆
How funny it's been reported that both NC State & Virginia Tech have been talking with the Big 12.
Big12 will never add WF, BC, Syracuse, Smu. Even cal & Stanford would have a issue joining the big12
Why wouldn’t they want Syracuse the Big 12 is a basketball conference Cuse has a lot of Basketball history and a bright future
But yeah I’m with you if the ACC would collapse I’d rather see us in the Big East again idgaf about cuse football so they can figure that out themeselves
Big 12 will never add any ACC teams. They won't agree to the paycut or the crap Travel.
Stanford University would literally go independent before even considering the big 12.
FSU will be in the B1G. Outside of that I agree with your assessment.
SEC needs Basketball Schools.. UNC is the #1 school for the SEC. NC State would work as well as Virginia. Clemson would round out the four. The BiG can get FSU , Miami ,GT and ND.
The MWC will pick up WSU, OSU, CAL, Stanford, and SMU. They can add Gonzaga for basketball.
Travel is no big deal in football since you only play once a week.
FSU and Miami were both asked to join the SEC in the 1990's and declined. I think the Big10 is more realistic
B1G wants Notre Dame, not Duke or North Carolina. Their are only 18 teams currently in the B1G, Notre Dame is the only team that works. We'd just have to find one more team after that.
Big XII merger with a mega ESPN and FOX deal to compete with the B1G and SEC
The BIG12 has no feasible path to be a peer P3.
5 ACC schools go to B10/SEC plus ND. B10 and SEC get 75%-80% of the total money available. I do agree that the B12 and remainder ACC schools merge. They get 15%-20% and the rest get 5%. This is not about creating a third super league. This is all about the haves dominating the haves spot. While the new B12 in this circumstance would be fun, it will not be competitive and the TV networks don't want them to be competitive. Playoffs expand to 16 teams and every once in a while you will see a B12 team in the playoffs.
The Big12 is the Leftover's League because they have no big brands or football blue bloods. So the ACC leftovers will probably head there after their bigger brands head to the B1G and SEC, the Super League. The Big12 will probably end up being used as a farm league for the Super League because their best players will head to the higher tiered league to maximize their revenue and get better exposure.
@@roris5882 Yep. Although I am excited to see WV and Pitt again in the same conference, that rivalry plus the Holy War can't make the B12 nearly equal to what is happening. I think something like 75% of the top 250 2024 recruits went to the B10/SEC. The gap is already getting significantly worse.
@@TheHamsterfist I say screw the other conferences. Give me WVU/Pitt. You do this for the fans. The money is always gonna be there. We should have the SEC slogan that "It just means more." Hell the SEC's new slogan is "We just get paid more." ha ha. Oh, and I'm from Texas, but I support all my Big 12 schools. If Pitt, Louisville, and/or VT joined the Big 12, I'd support them, too.
I'm a Tar Heel fan. If we end up in the Big 10 instead of the SEC I will lose any and all interest I have left in college athletics.
I am a Duke fan and supporter, and I am in agreement with your assessment.
Fear not, as that nightmare scenario seems to have been eliminated about 6 months ago.
Me too. I would hate to see UNC get embarrassed in football by powerhouses. We've suffered enough, why go to a bigger conference just to lose by 20? Although recruiting could be better, who knows?
@alexcuevas5633 that's not my point. We will struggle in football in either conference. But I just can't get excited playing Purdue, Northwestern, Rutgers, Iowa, Indiana regularly. I would still take interest in playing any and all of the SEC teams however. UNC is a southern team. I just cant take any interest on playing these northern BIG 10 teams on a regular basis. Please SEC if we are going to move. I will vomit the day we join the BIG 10 and check out on college sports.
Reality SEC adds FSU and Clemson, ACC adds Tulane, Uconn, and Notre Dame as a full member, and Big 12 adds SDSU and USF
Makes no sense. ND would have already joined the ACC with a new media deal to keep FSU/CLEMSON. ND won't join a depleted ACC. That window has closed.
Moreover, the ACC has already preemptively backfilled for FSU & CLEMSON.
@@tarheel7406hadn't you thought they should backfill little bit further just to keep the conference a little more stable. And good luck to your tarheels in 2024.
@@nateg4582 ESPN/FOX were perfectly happy with a 12-team new BIG12 and effectively capped growth to 16. The future ~24-team each SEC and B1G will have the gravity to remain stable, but the Tier 2s won't. Smaller Tier 2 mostly regionals will work better anyway.
I originally only addressed ND joining the ACC + more backfill. That clearly doesn't make sense. ND is just delaying the inevitable and will join a P2 when playoff access is at risk. Moreover, FSU/CLEMSON are low SEC priorities, and the ACC wouldn't add anymore (unless ND) if "only" FSU/CLEMSON left.
I think the ACC needs Notre Dame to commit full time to keep the conference together.
It doesn't.
That window has closed.
That doesn't matter, it's not enough.
UNLV makes zero sense to me, honestly at the mountain west conference championship game that was hosted in Vegas, Boise state almost had just as many fans there as UNLV. Their main problem I think is that people who live in Vegas don’t care about a UNLV football game cause at the end of the day if they do care about football, they go to a Raiders games, other than that there is a billion of other things to do in Vegas. Not to mention that UNLV doesn’t even have their own stadium and this is literally the first year they’ve ever made it to the mountain west conference championship game and lost, they play at allegiant and need to pay the NFL every game day. I’d say the ACC needs to just completely poach the top of the mountain west including Boise State, San Diego state and Fresno state, add in Memphis and create a western division to mediate travel costs, especially when you consider sports like softball or baseball that play a ton of games. This is my thoughts at least
Sec are not going from 700 million to 1.17 billion in tv deals that graph is a joke 😅
I will happily take any bet for Clemson or FSU getting out of the ACC this summer. There is no way in hell FSU is not paying 600 million plus in Grant of rights and exit fees. Who is going to pay these exit fees? ESPN owns both the SEC and the ACC. They did not pay for a 9th SEC conference game. Why would they pay more for content they already own?
FSU isn't paying much to get out of their horrible ACC deal because the conference violated their portion of the contract and FSU Board never signed the GOR. That's why the ACC is trying to prevent people from seeing their contracts. But I agree that FSU probably won't be leaving the ACC this Summer unless the ACC refuses to pay them for last year. Then they will be able to claim the ACC is illegally withholding their revenue and will leave right away for their own survival and battle it out in court for the next 10 to 20 years. By then the ACC most likely won't even exist.
The 3 newcomers plus Notre Dame can vote, but FSU can't vote.
FSU currently can vote. There is a motion to remove their vote in court.
@benjaminhawkes6693 thank you for the correction. I think it's ridiculous to give ND a vote without being all in on all sports.
My man, the two most wanted schools are NC and Virginia.
Man…it’s 2024! Why are you showing a revenue sheet from 20111 as a point of reference 😂! I’ve seen enough already. FSU is in the SEC? Oh, OK 😂!
umass js joined the mac💀
ACC should lowkey invite App state to join
A 5th North Carolina school?
I don’t understand how you don’t see that there’s going to be more value in the big 12 over the ACC when Florida State Miami, Clemson, North Carolina Virginia and Virginia Tech all leave the conference I just don’t see how pit or Georgia Tech would want to stay when they can easily join the big 12 with Virginia Tech. It really depends on if the big 12 can pick up another 3 to 4 teams to complete the dissolve, the ACC
The BIG12 has already lost its top 6 (net). Now all vanilla teams with few synergies with the likely ACC remainders.
@@tarheel7406 you do know that Virginia Tech does want to leave the ACC if Florida Clemson and all the other schools leave they want to go to the big 12 there’s not a lot of value in the ACC especially when ESPN terminates their contract next year
@@alexa7736 Nope. VATECH doesn't want to downgrade to the new BIG12, hence it voted for the +3. There's no reason to believe that ESPN will terminate the ACC's media deal.
@@tarheel7406VATech to the big 12 isn’t a downgrade if the ACC dissolves. They would hop on that big 12 train quickly
@@Rodkicks88 The BIG12 is a downgrade whether or not the ACC dissolves, which is highly unlikely. BIG12 fans don't realize, rational or not, how the B12 is viewed by the other P4 schools. After a decade of depletion and backfill, the BIG12 is the least prestigious, athletically and academically.
I personally never thought Stanford and California should've been added to the ACC. I would've taken in Appalachian State, Marshall, Tulane, and Memphis, and USF over them.
Why? CALFORD work as a spot geo outlier and easily fit brand.
13:20 graphic of all the teams in the USA , they left Miami out that’s funny
Disagree both conferences should go to 24 each
Your map of the MW has the logo for Colorado College…great hockey school no football.
I have to ask, is he just making stuff up in his head? His logic seems way off.
Once the ACC collapses, Wake Forest is the odd man out. Everybody else will find a home in the P2 or Big 12 as long as they don't overrate their value or (in SMU's case) have enough cash on hand.
For what purpose a large, wide and overly diverse Tier 2 BIG12?
@@tarheel7406 We already went over this 5 times bro. And I've seen you using my framework to have this same debate all over the place. We're on the same side.
@@xfacta334 Nope. The ACC would have to heavily deplete out to the SEC/B1G before any ACC remainder would consider the BIG12 ~and~ there's no purpose served by moving. The then BIG12 would be Tier 1 irrelevant.
My "framework" is at least 2 years old.
@@tarheel7406 I know all of that already considering thats exactly what I explained to you before in detail down to the options each team would have on the market. I also broke down what purpose the new Big 12 would serve in the grand scheme and you vehemently disagreed with that because your framework is based around the ACC still having Tier 1 revelance and the B12 being beneath them. There is no ACC rebuild to survive this next move. All 3 chairs are already occupied. The ACC is dead.
@@xfacta334 Nope....
a) The current ACC and new BIG12 both have Tier 1 relevance as things stand.
b) The ACC will deplete down to the Tier 2 with peer per team media value with the already Tier 2 BIG12.
c) The BIG12 can only tread water (at best) in average media value.
d) The P2 will only increase in value, power and exposure.
Of course, the current ACC is far better than the new BIG12 on every material factor as would be expected at this stage. After the P2 consolidation, each Tier 2 will think it's the better Tier 2 from their respective perspectives.
The BIG12 has no, zero, nada path to be a peer P3. The gap to the P2 will only grow. To stay relevant, the BIG12 needs the ACC to remain intact, but that won't happen. In context, the BIG12 is already dead.
The Tier 2s will be better as smaller regionals.
There should be a conference teams cap of 14
Day late and a dollar short at this point.
Cal Stanford Oregon State Washington state should join the mountain west .the mountain west should rebrand itself . And it doesn’t matter if you’re a power of five or a group of five or whatever you wanna call it with the playoff expanding to 12 teams even Appalachian State could get into the playoffs. This is a dumb move and I know my idea is better.
I maintain that a new PAC will have to include 3 or all of the 4Cs to draw CALFORDD back. Academics and non-revenue sports are too important for the pair.
Clemson, Virginia Tech or Virginia, and FSU you Should go to the SEC.
When the ESPN contract expires, the Grant in Rights expire. OVER DONE
ESPN holds all the cards in the future of the ACC. The exit of the football powers as FSU & Clemson will allow ESPN to re-open the ACC TV contract. All ESPN needs to do is ditch the ACC TV contract or even low ball the ACC on the contract renewal. FOX will not run to the rescue just like the PAC was left out to die. All the ACC schools left by the P2 will then scurry to join the Big-12. The ACC may still survive by adding G5 schools, however their P5 status will be lost.