It's a matter of who goes where, the B1G and SEC will look at who they can add from the Big 12 and ACC in the near future which would be the most valuable brands available from those two conferences.
Could be a dumb question, what does this mean for college basketball? Are they forced to switch division as well or does that change due to the different sport?
Basketball will be along for the ride just like every other sport. It’s not a factor in realignment even for basketball schools like Duke, UNC, KU. The BIG has two criteria schools must meet. 1. High football revenue 2. AAU accreditation. No one in the ACC meets that criteria (Miami would be the closest). SEC will take who they want, the Big12 will take who they can get. The rest will remain in the ACC and try to rebuild.
Florida state belongs in the SEC, but probably would benefit more from the B1G. Not just from athletics, but academically. Once they get AAU status, their academic programs will share in the research money the other B1G schools get. Plus, I doubt they’ll be the only southern school to join the B1G. Miami and UNC may join them so they won’t be in an island by themselves. Plus FSU playing Ohio state, USC, Michigan, and Penn state would generate just as much revenue as if they played anyone in the SEC. Either way you slice it, all FSU can do is win wherever they decide to go between the power 2.
I think two super conferences are inevitable. In fact, I don’t see the Big Ten or SEC stopping at 20 members: I see both conferences expanding to 24. My prediction is that the SEC adds Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina, NC State, Oklahoma State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, and Kansas (Kansas City Market). The Big Ten would likely add Notre Dame, Arizona, Arizona State, Stanford, Colorado, and Utah.
I agree completely. No one is talking about Big10 and SEC raiding the Big12. I also wonder if Purdue, N'western, MN, Vanderbilt, Mississippi State, and others are safe in SEC and Big10.
The SEC will not take a school in South Carolina and would probably take Miami over FSU for location. North Carolina has nothing in terms of market. I do believe there is more to Fran Brown leaving UGA to coach SYR then just getting a new job. New York is still the nation's largest market. I see SYR to the SEC. There's no other place where the SEC can justify giving up $60 million than the north east market.
Adding Louisville and Pitt + 2 other decent ACC Schools will help fill in the East for the Big12. Virginia Tech and NC State would be first choice but who knows how the cards fall..
You totally ignored the option of the B12 adding four mid ACC schools after the top 2 to 6 leave for the SEC and B1G. IMO after FSU and at least one other top ACC value leaves their contract doesn’t get picked up in FEB25 or get renegotiated down by 25%. Then B12 adding Louisville, VT, NCState and GT or other mid ACC schools adds 10 to 20% in value.
If Louisville can get there act together in basketball, there's 100% incentive to add them to the Big 12. Plus, you already have some Big East/AAC rivals there in Cincy and WVU
@@UofLFan1224 it would be great to have UL join the B12 with three others from the ACC. UL should have been invited back when UWV was added at ESPN request. Who would you want?
I agree actually with those or similar ACC schools being the leftovers after the B1G and SEC have their fill of the best brands in the ACC. The Big12 will then offer a home to the next best of the ACC. The ACC will then have to reconstitute itself the best it can by doing what the Big12 did by lifting up some Group of 5 teams. Assuming Stanford doesn’t go B1G, they and Cal will depart the ACC back to the west coast and join with WSU and OSU to build a new PAC/MWC.
Roughly half of cfb market share is in the BIG10 and SEC, the other half is elsewhere but with more teams. Which will be more interesting considering that they are on basically equal footing? BIG12, ACC, and G5 vs BIG10/SEC. Who has more content? Who has Cinderella stories? The rest of the cfb should flex their collective muscle. A 2+2+2+2+2model with 4 at large. If the Big10 and SEC say no then go to a 2+2+2 with 4 at large and ignore them.
@@frictionhitchthe others are willing to take that chance. Guaranteed that a playoff system for only the Big12, ACC and G5’s wouldn’t come close in value to what they are getting by staying with the B1G and SEC even at the lower amounts.
It would be a huge pay raise for the left over teams to go to the Big12. ESPN will rework the ACC contract. It will be drastically lower. Could be anywhere between 12 to 18 million per year.
SEC staying local is not a good business decision because they will not make much more money. B1G is going to span 4 time zones so more games will be televised across those times including probably an extra time slot.
When the SEC adds North Carolina and Virginia they will be in as many states as the B1G will be in 2024 (14 states). Stretching from Texas to North Carolina is far from "local". The B1G having a 1,500 mile gap between Los Angeles and Lincoln, NE doesn't automatically give the B1G all those states in between.
From a big ten fan, I'm already sick of this. Someone needs to step in from congress or something and stop all this. It's literally going to ruin college football. Am I excited to see games like michigan vs usc? Ohio st vs oregon? Potentially michigan vs Florida St or notre damn annually? Yeah. But it doesn't belong. You are literally destroying the little teams that we need. Do we want more playoffs? And games that matter instead of meaningless bowl games? Just do what the fcs does. Eliminate one game to 11, kill the conference championships, and do a 24 team playoff. Then we will get our, Ohio st vs Georgia, Alabama vs Penn st, Florida St vs Oregon and more games that teams will actually play their starters in. Just divide up the TV revenue within the power 5, and spread some of that to the other conferences like Mac and sun belt etc.
@armchairgeneral7557 (great name, by the way)... the SEC cares about quality over quantity. The SEC didn't transition to 9 conference games back when everyone started making that switch. The Pac12, Big12 & B1G (in that order) all received higher tv deals after adding that extra premier conference game. The SEC didn't go after that money grab, and B1G fans love gloating about how they make more tv money... but still, somehow, the SEC has more top 25 college football annual revenue generators. If those Pacific time slot was so valuable, why do they try and schedule their premier match ups according to the eastern timezones? Because they want more people to potentially watch it. But at least they did grab the best from out west. The problem is, a Penn St wouldn't be happy about games that start at 11 pm locally and ends after 2 am. Maybe the younger audience would hang around. Coast to coast is only a selling point if the entire country was as football crazy as the South is.
UNC and UVA going to the SEC is a big if. Even if that happens, the SEC is still stuck in a lot of smaller markets. The Big Ten already owns the five largest TV markets. It's not about the number of states. It's about the number of eyes in those states.
There’s only going to be two major football conferences. Each of those conferences will have 30 teams each. All the teams left out will have their own smaller conferences.
A conference full of blue bloods will eventually be a conference with only two blue bloods. That's what I think of the long-term impact of the current conference realignment.
The B1G would take FSU in a minute. Major Florida university and football king. There is tremendous bad blood between FSU and the SEC. Huge assumption on your part to believe that FSU would go to the SEC. FSU administrators have wanted the B1G for academic reasons more than football. Now FSU fans hate the SEC and ESPN. The SEC does not need FSU, except to block the B1G.
The SEC isn’t blocking. FSU doesn’t want the grind of the SEC. Academics, as an excuse sounds better than their last excuse of having an easier path to the playoffs. Heck everyone has a path to the playoff now. Can’t use that one anymore. They’ll be fine going to the B1G.
@@SurferRC63-3 is all the stats needed. Playing a mid Florida school and a down LSU school isn’t helping your argument at all. Georgia has won every regular season SEC game for three years straight. There’s a real stat.
When the Big 12 was on life support the ACC should have pounced and grabbed West Virginia and one of the Texas teams (TCU would have been my choice as it's the farthest east I believe). They also should have added Cincy and UCF while they were still available. Yeah, it would have destroyed the grant of rights but there's strength in numbers and those 4 programs would have eased the pain of losing FSU, Clemson, Miami, and UNC.
The Pac-12 was ready to pounce I believe with Oklahoma State and Texas Tech but USC put the kibosh on it for, "travel reasons." Then they ended up leaving anyway. Hope they enjoy those trips to Rutgers and Maryland?
They need to make 4 16-team conferences and take the winners of each to make the playoffs. Seeds 5-12 should be based on record/strength of schedule. There’s your playoffs.
With the B1G and SEC getting so large they almost need their own playoffs before bowls/national championships. They need to start looking at pro sports where they have 4 divisions and a west/east or north/south conference within their own conference. Total geographical Realignment is nice for simplicity sake but would never happen in reality. There’s too much money, history and rivalry between different programs and conferences to allow it.
The B1G is probably adding at least 2 from the ACC and maybe more. The SEC 4+. The only possible surprise would be if the B1G went higher but did it with say FSU/Clemson then went to like Texas to get a footprint and harm the B12. If we assume nothing crazy then the B12 should just add what they can and is left. If they are left, and in this order I'd say add 4, Miami (more in Florida), GT (play into Georgia and Atlanta), NC St (NC play), VT (they are bigger in DMV than UVA by far and bigger in VA), Syracuse (NY and mainly NYC play), Lville (fits well and new market), Pitt (too similar to WVU but good fit). The ACC can add Wash St, Ore St, Boise, SD St, UConn, Memphis, UNLV, and maybe someone else on east
There’s very few teams with a chance to go to p2, 40-44 total by the end. Big wants fsu and nd, maybe 2 more from unc, uva and Miami. SEC will consider those plus Clemson, maybe nc state, va tech, ga tech. That’s all folks. The only sure things are nd fsu and unc if they don’t insist on state. Clemson and Miami could even be left behind, get it? Everyone else will stay in the second tier. No one else adds enough value. 44. Tops, I’d guess 42.
Y does it matter wha the Big 12 tV deal is currently when they can rework the deal after realignment. Something tells me Clemson don’t wanna go to SEC maybe B1G. BIG12 best scenario To get 24 teams Clemson Miami Louisville Pittsburgh Georgia Tech Memphis Duke Virginia Tech
I have seen videos saying with the SEC and Big 10 are going then they need to add 14--18 teams each. This will allow an NFL format. Divisions to organize etc. This will blow up revenue into the sky. Not just TV but corporate sponsors for team and regular games. Like Pitt vs Penn St for the Hershey Pa Battle.
I’ve seen those videos too. At first I didn’t like the idea, but the more I think about it I think it fits the evolutionary trail we seem to be on and, like you say, will be a boom to many existing and newly formed rivalries. My school gets chopped out again but I’ve reconsidered and have accepted things for what they are and will be. And I’m ok with that. I can see a Power 2 with a lesser Group of 3 “best-of-the-rest’s”. Or the best-of- the-rest could group together to form their own 24 to 30 school nationwide conference consisting of 4 geographic divisions. Have their own championship game on the same Saturday as the Power 2 championship game. That works for me.
WSU in Pullman. I’ve seen videos mentioning Pitt as one possible B1G pick-up. If it works out that way, great for you! That’ll be an amazing event for ya.
@@gregoryjasonsmith5732 I see it as an outcome from 2 factors IF they make it a closed super league. To get the real GREAT money like the NFL they need a larger footprint. More places with "Home Teams" to get more eyes on the games. Coast to Coast coverage. In most cases each collages has a smaller footprint. Like I don't give a shit what Penn St, Temple, WV or Ohio St does, Second limiting the backlash from Universities left out. Does it wrong will make people you need from TV made and with the Politicians. They need inclusion for everyone. Need too give those left out a soft landing. It is in the winner best interest. . .
FSU, UNC, Miami, ND, & UV will go to the B1G. NCS, VT, Clemson & WV will go to the SEC. Louisville, GT, Pitt, & BC will go to Big 12 as far as Big12 payday compared to ACC, when FSU leaves their payout will decrease drastically because of less interest & money.
Bro couldn't be any more off. UVA/VT state stuff trying to keep them together, same with NCST/UNC. Big 12 doesn't want BC, maybe not GT. Miami isn't what it was, they honestly might be the one out to go to the Big 12. It's just the Miami market, not a good program
lol.. SEC/B1G are not taking NCS, VT, WVU. None of those teams create the revenue to pay the football and basketball players as employees. SEC not taking the shit academics of WVU. ND/FSU to B1G. UNC/ UVA to SEC. Miami and Clemson will be put on hold.
UNC wants to go the Big 10. They don't care about NC State. It's the politicians that want to make sure NC State doesn't get left behind. UVA and VT in the same conference only happened about a decade ago. They aren't joined at the hip. If anything, UNC and UVA are more closely aligned. Similar academics, sports, and culture. More history together as well.
4:55 The Big 12 is firmly in third place among College Football Conferences. They are as far ahead of the ACC as they are behind the SEC and Big Ten. 6:55: FSU to the Big Ten and Miami to the SEC. The SEC and Big Ten fight over NC with Clemson as a consolation prize, unless NC State is a package deal with NC (then the SEC might still be interested, but the Big Ten won’t be).
Not a chance. The ACC was number three before the PAC-12 imploded, but the number four Big 12 used the PAC-12’s collapse to leapfrog the ACC. The ACC has made similarly disastrous decisions like the decisions that the PAC-12 made..
@@SurferRC LOL, way to pull for your fav. The SEC is head and shoulders above everyone else in football regardless of who anyone adds at this point. Facts are facts.
Your night lights map is a flat map superimposed on a round one. Those lights are in the wrong spots. That is not where Denver and Salt Lake city are. Look at the Texas triangle. It is shifted far too east.
In terms of UNC: On one hand, apparently the SEC and B1G really want them and they usually get what they want On the other hand, that Wolfpack Backpack is glued on tight and the P2 conferences might not feel like getting strong armed or bullied in to having to take both. Also the state of NC is heavily invested in the ACC as a whole and may influence the outcome of all this
Yeah, same with Virginia. That is why the ACC could get stronger by adding the top schools from the Big 12 to be a truly the best of the rest. We have seen teams from the MWC, Big 12, AAC and them beating the SEC schools. Boise State did beat Georgia and Florida State, so the big 2 who still have not taken the best power football schools out of the other conferences and the G5 still will have problems that they could get eliminated from the playoffs early.
UNC wants out. The SEC wants them badly. They have always been pro ACC. Saying we will never leave. UNC has a new chancellor who has said for the first time that UNC will do what's best for UNC. If that means leaving the conference, that is an option. By 2027, the SEC schools will be making 100M more per school inrevenue from it's new tv deal. Also, several Clemson insiders are saying that Clemson and UNC are working together on getting out of the ACC. IF that's true, both of those schools could be heading to the SEC
Interesting. The B1G has let it be known that any new addition would have to “pay their way”. If the payout is $70m a year per school, then a school would have to, at minimum, bring $70m a year in revenue generation. Only FSU and ND meet that criteria. UNC brings in about $34-36m a year for the ACC. Less than half of the requirement. Also, in viewership, UNC ranks #46, behind several G5 schools.
Never understood why Boise isn’t a power conference. Their pedigree is insane since 2000. All these ridiculous “educational standards” are pathetic. It’s all the same thing. I went to a prestigious school and can tell you it wasn’t special. Just wasted a ton of money for a title. Hasn’t benefited me more than my buddies who went to basic schools
Maybe UConn will have this opening AFTER the ACC is picked clean by the B1G and SEC. The ACC will then have to reconstitute itself and will do as the Big12 did by picking up schools from lower conferences.
I see the ACC losing FSU, MIAMI, and clemson to the SEC. And UNC, Virginia, and N.C ST to the B1G. 8 teams to replace them with USF UCONN TULANE MEMPHIS SD. ST BOISE WAZZOU Oregon st Go with more quantity for more inventory!
If you started all over you could take the map alone and divide up all the FBS schools into 6 regional conferences of around 20 or so teams each that would be not only fair in travel considerations but would have bluebloods in each. They would also have most of the natural rivalries intact as well as each having a bunch of super basketball schools. Obviously they would all have plenty of cupcakes. None of them would be head and shoulders above the others the way it is now. Sure, some would be a little better than others but in most years you'd never have too much of a gap in between them. All done based on nothing more than geography.
That doesn't make things fair for everyone else though. The whole point of the starting over idea is to get more of an even playing field. The SEC is already head and shoulders above everyone else and that includes the Big10.
@@jeffwatson68 like I said, Kansas wouldn’t bring much the football side of the conference, but it would greatly enhance the basketball side. It’s hard to get a team that’s good at both that’s available. As for being behind Kansas State is not that far. Both were top 25 team last year one team is ranked in basketball. The other one is not. Plus Kansas will bring in the Kansas City TV market.
A Northern Conference and a Southern Conference, thirty schools each, with promotion and relegation within each. I think thats where this is headed, with the remaining schools in a higher-octane FCS.
Relegation will never happen with the SEC. Founding members aren’t going to be relegated out. Doubtful it would happen in the B1G either. There are by laws in place as well.
ACC is going to implode, Stanford and Cal will run back to the Pac 12 and be merged with the Mountain West and West Cost conf to create a huge two div conf. ND will go to the Big 10, It will be the re build Pac 12, Big 10 and SEC.
I can see a path to the ACC becoming the best conference in the NCAA. The PAC 12 and ACC were the two conferences that most prided themselves in prioritizing academics over sports. Cal and Stanford were the leaders of the PAC 12 in this regard. The only way them joining the ACC made sense is if the ACC is emerging as the safe haven for power 5 teams teams looking to hold on to the old NCAA amateur vision of college sports. This would also explain why FSU wants out so bad, as they definitely don't have that vision. The BIG 12 seems to be a collection of teams interested in a new vision with a semi-pro restructuring, but not ready to join the SEC or BIG 10. These three leagues seem destined to leave the NCAA to create a new league designed to manages non-conference schedules, NIL and transfer portal issues. This will come with division structures build to feed into a playoff structure. Based on this model, I could see Vanderbilt eventually leaving the SEC for the ACC. This event would confirm this future of college sports. After the SEC, BIG 10 and Big 12 leave the NCAA, the ACC would be the best conference remaining.
I agree with you. I think that the SEC and BIG10 ditch some of their teams and absorbs the football portion of the Big 12. This would probably be the best thing that could happen to college sports. Expel the Big10 and SEC football from the NCAA and let them play for a Semi Pro title and allow all the other NCAA teams to play for the NCAA championship since no real championship exists for football in D1 today.
I see the BIG 12 getting Miami, Virginia Tech, Pittsburgh, and Louisville. ACC getting washington state and Oregon State, with San Diego State, and UNLV
Miami can get into the B1G/SEC, so I don’t realistically see them going to the Big 12 And the ACC could also try and get Memphis, USF, Tulane, and UConn. Those 4 along with Washington st, Oregon st, San Diego st and UNLV can save the ACC, although it would be much, much worse.
A re built Pac 12 is better off then the ACC. ACC is going to implode like the Pac did, Stanford and Cal will be back, along with Washington State, Oregon State, UNLV And then merge with the Mountain West.
@@zachellenburg5738the SEC doesn't want MIami and the BIG wants one team from Florida so if they get FSU they won't want Miami. It's either or for them. That would put Miami in the BIG 12.
@zachellenburg5738 UConn would only join THAT version of the ACC for football. They aren't going to leave the Big East unless they can get into a big money conference (which they won't). They already made a bold move with their football program to leave the AAC, the new ACC prob will be on par with what the American was before they lost Hou, Cin, UCF.
I could see Louisville, Pitt, & Cuse going to the Big12 if the moneys right. I could also see nc state or VT going if they don’t get an invite into the big 2 conferences. I think ncsu & vt are the bubble schools so to soeak, I think nc state has the better chance due to the relationship with UNC
Dude, not to be grammar police, but damn, spelling Carolina "Corolina" is not a good look. You create strong content and offer substantive analysis, but that's an amateur move I hope you learn from man. Did it for North and South Carolina which means someone clearly thought Carolina actually started with a Co.
He's definitely someone who would make grammatical mistakes and has in the past, but he uses other people's pictures and videos so often that I bet it's someone else's
Big 12 should have added teams that would win, like I believe Boise state would have done better in that league than any other new school they added. Winning is what truly drives in money and growth. Why not add in the winningest football program in the 21st century? It also would have kept the BYU v Boise rivalry going, which was super fun to watch every year
@@hcopenhagenhYes, but once the NCAA tournament is over there is nothing of interest sports-wise except recruiting, so die-hards are drawn to the NCAA college baseball tournament.
The Big 12 will get Pitt, Louisville, NC State, UNC, Virginia, and Virginia Tech. The ACC will either dissolve or become a AAC/C-USA copy. The Big 12 is better top to bottom in football than the Big 10. The Big 10 is top heavy but outside the top 4 the rest are on par or worse than the Big 12 schools.
@@troywest7045 idk what table you’re sitting at but atleast I know the conference my team is in isn’t on the brink of collapse. If you’re an ACC fan you should be mad at your conference, not me.
@@basementhorrorsreview My team is in the B1G and while I'm all for expansion, I'm also being realistic as to what the media partners are willing to do at the moment. Things get messy when you try to amend contracts, not to mention getting a room full of Presidents agree on something. The B1G and USC/UCLA had apparently been talking behind closed doors and when the time was right(Start of the new media deal) and announced the move. Wa/OR had been vetted, but the media deal had already been done when the PAC fell apart. Fox bumped up the media deal, some people online say Fox wasn't happy to bump it up, less than a year after it started, is that true, I have no idea, but they only bumped it up for half shares that go up slightly every year till the next deal in 2030. That's just over 30mil a year starting out per school. I'm not sure what ACC schools get now per school, but my guess it would be in the same ballpark around 30mil a school, so basically they would make the same money for 5-6 years till they get a full share on the next media deal. The B1G only has ND in its escalation clause, so anybody added would need either Fox or a new media partner to pay for the broadcast rights. If Fox passes, because they don't want to spend more or they are out of windows, then they could try another linear partner or a streaming platform like Apple TV. The thing is a full share is 60mil a year, so if you add even just two teams that's 120mil a year for two games a week and if you're the other linear channel or streaming platform, you're probably getting the last picks of the games each weekend, so no marquee matchups and how much can that really be worth? 120mil a year? I dunno, I just don't see the math adding up for them being able to offer full shares, unless someone at Fox in the C suite says they need to get into Florida at all costs.
ACC aftermath 1. Stanford 2. Cal 3.Oregon St 4. Wazzou 5. San Diego St 6. Boise st 7. SMU 8. Tulane 9. Memphis 10. USF 11. UCONN 12. G.T 13.DUKE 14. V.T* Unless them and Virginia are a package! Duke/ UNC are not as UNC/ NC ST Are! 15.Louisville 16 N.D no football 17. Syracuse 18. Pitt 19 B.C 20.Wake forest
I love how no ones knows what the SEC is gonna do, all I hear is the B1G should grab FSU, no they should UNC, no they should get Miami. The SEC will jump to 20
UNC or UVA won't go to the SEC. I believe they will stay and rebuild the ACC to keep their rivalries and the history of the league. Only 2 teams in the ACC really want to leave and none of the other 16 teams are football powerhouses. Getting $30 million a year would be find with those schools. Keep in mind at some time the SEC and Big10 are going to get rid of the poor teams who don't carry their weight - Vanderbilt, Northwestern, etc. If money is all that matters why hang onto the 8 weak sisters that are their today.
Im not convinced you seriously follow realignment. The notion of the XII being in a P3 stems from the idea that they would absorb the best of the ACC leftovers if and when some of the top dogs leave. The XII while not on the same level as the B1G or SEC but would be powerful and valuable ENOUGH to stay in the conversation. The XII did not seriously consider adding SDSU and their focus was primarily on UConn and Gonzaga for basketball only. Duke and UNC are not staying together. And this notion that the B1G and SEC are so much better than everyone else is ridiculous to me because if you take a step back and look at it, its just Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, and Michigan AND they make more money. that is there central argument.
It's a money grab , 40 teams tops they are not looking to split the pie . Acc will get weaker Espn will offer pac 12 money , 22-24 million per team for remaining members if they are lucky.
I dunno. I see the Big12 now as just a large group of secondary tier brand names. What they would add from the fall of the ACC (after the B1G and SEC gorge themselves) would just be more of the same.
I agree that, they, the BIg12, will be the strongest of the rest of the conferences left. It won’t be a “big jump”, though. I think it’ll be way distant from the Power 2 but bigger than the rebuilt ACC and PAC/MWC rebuild.
It will change a little. The ACC will get raided by the B1G and SEC, and then the Big 12 will get raided by them. After that, both of their deals will get pulled. What's left of the Big 12 and ACC will combine to form the new G1, taking the best of the current G5 (and the Pac2) with them.@@chsmithins
ACC is getting a larger cut of the CFP split than the Big12 this upcoming CFP contract. Neither of them are dead…..yet. We’ll have to see how it plays out.
What the ACC has going for it is that the East has a large population and the fasting - growing states are there, especially North Carolina, Virginia, Tennessee, and Georgia. The states in the Big Ten are not growing, and with the exception of Florida and Georgia (and now Texas) the same is true of the SEC. The Big 12 has states with low growth and population (again with the exception of Texas). This says that there is a need for an Eastern conference, and the ACC seems to be that - especially with the addition of UCONN.
The Big10 convincing people they are as good as the SEC was one of the biggest cons of all time. Some of the most borings teams in CFB, terrible to watch.
Not a con when they just had a team win the National Title. They are not a con when they've got 6, now 7, with the addition of Oregon, of the top 12 most watched teams in the nation. They fall short to the SEC as far as national title wins in the last 20 years. The numbers don't lie, they have a massive following.
Yeah, I see your point exactly. It means an absolutely NOTHING that the National Championship game this year was between two teams from what will be BOTH FROM THE B1G!!!
Sec: a conference that pays players and has esecspn running interference so they get away with it. Looking at you Saban and Kirby. Saban was the biggest fraud in the history of college football. Notice how fast he retired when the nil became a thing. Can't secure all the nations top picks exposed him. He was slowly going down once the players cycled through. With this being the 4th year upcoming in the nil, he knew it was over. Got out before he got humbled.
If the SEC chooses to add FSU Clemson Miami, (former SEC member) Georgia Tech and Louisville, Now thats 5 leaving 9 plus ND then the Big Ten would get All 4 NC schools, UVA, VT and ND. That leaves BC Pitt & Syracuse, those last 3 go to the Big XII. The Pac 2 (Washington St & Oregon St) add Cal Stanford & SMU, a reverse merger with the Mountain West + 2 or 3 top G5 teams
Only school the B1G would really want from that group would be N.D. N.C. would be 2nd best from that group, but the B1G isn't taking anymore teams from North Carolina other than them. Stanford would probably be added before N.C. or any other ACC schools. If N.C. State or Duke think they are going in lockstep with N.C to a new conference i'de like to introduce them to Washington State and Oregon State. Lastly any new school getting added before the next media deal will have to accept partial shares like Oregon and Washington.
I can see Florida State, Miami, Stanford, and after the ACC collapses finally Notre Dame for all sports. Clemson, North Carolina, North Carolina State and SMU will join the SEC.
The big 12 will produce new Blue Bloods also expanding would always add value because you’re going into new TV markets and no they don’t have some of the top brands that the big 10 in the SEC have, but they do have good brands in football and adding more schools from the ACC would help that
1st stage - huge superconferences develop. 2nd stage - Texas, Alabama, USC, Ohio State. Michigan go independent and sign their own mega-deals, once they realize that private tv deals are more $$$$$.
IMO the four biggest tier 1 brands that the B1G & SEC will fight tooth and nail for does NOT include FSU. The “big 4” are UNC, Notre Dame (not really ACC, but biggest free agent), Miami, and UVA. Both the B1G & SEC would LOVE to have all 4 of those over FSU & Clemson. Duke & Louisville would be tier 2. Mainly because all 6 of those schools are have more to offer than just football. If it’s just about football, then FSU, Clemson, VT, & WVU would be tied 1. But I think both the B1G & SEC are thinking more than just football imo. I gut tells me UNC, NCST, UVA, FSU, Clemson, VT, Duke, Miami will go to the SEC. Notre Dame, Pitt, Louisville, Syracuse, WVU, Boston College will go to the B1G. Of course Notre Dame are so arrogant & self righteous, they may do something wild like go to the B12 or the SEC than the B1G 😂. The B1G just makes too much sense 😂. No one knows what’s going to happen. It’s going to be fun to watch though!
The B1G has an escalation clause in media deal to add Notre Dame, so that's built in. Those other schools you have going to the B1G are a hard pass, they wouldn't carry their weight and FOX wouldn't give them enough for a quarter share till 2030. They would obviously get Stanford to go with ND before any of those schools. Plus the B1G already have Penn St. And Rutgers for those markets.
Hear me out do why would you want to switch to a different conference when you have a free Playoff Spot right there all you would have to do if you’re Clemson is handle your business and dont fuck it up and boom your in and they nobody can use Strength of Schedule as an excuse anymore of why a team got in over someone else if you’re guaranteed a spot in the playoffs if you win your conference How do people not realize that this loophole exists
All of these podcasts come from young people who didn't grow up with FSU being a women's college and/or not being in the ACC. It might be about the money, but the ACC can always get a better deal.....they just have to want it bad enough.
Nebraska isnt an AAU school but the B10 allows them. They much prefer that you are an AAU but money talks and if it comes to that theyll put AAU status to the side
@@sugargay7168 Also, Nebraska was an AAU school when they joined the B1G. They only lost AAU status because their medical school is in Omaha, not Lincoln.
That's what you think huh? LOL. (Is Nebraska in the AAU?). Wake up, this is about money, not academics since you haven't been paying attention. FSU brings the state of Florida, one of the best states for recruiting & TV viewership... sorry, but your precious BIG10 can offer Ohio State vs FSU, which would be one of the biggest games of the year most years... or just continue to offer Ohio State vs Indiana, Rutgers, Minnesota, Purdue, Maryland, Illinois... are you getting the picture yet?
@@sugargay7168 Nebraska got booted out of the AAU mainly because their new research hospital was built off campus. If it was built on campus, they would likely still be in the AAU. Nebraska expects to back in the AAU sometime in the near future.
Big 10 does not want FSU. There is no recruiting advantage to Tallahassee. Whereas Miami area is loaded. Notre Dame is the No 1 prize. Then it is UNC. Duke or NCSU is not tied to UNC. They will not be wanted by the conference that takes UNC. Duke-Carolina can still play a Home and Home. It may only be one game a year.
LOL last I checked Tallahassee is in the state of Florida... do you think FSU gets all it's players from Tallahassee? They get many many of their players from South Florida. Obviously you have an ax to grind with FSU, but nobody buys your silly breakdown. FSU is a BIG target for the BIG10.
UNC? Last I looked, these realignments have had everything to do with football tv rankings. UNC is no better than Stanford and Cal. As a matter of fact, Boise St had a larger audience than UNC... At best, UNC ranks in the mid 40's. Where's their value? UNC carries value, but $70 mil/year? Not trying to be an ass, I'm just trying to figure out the justification of paying UNC that kind of money for a football program that is around .500
@@rlhaff3560 Are you talking number of TVs or in actual TV audience watching? The B1G’s addition of Rutgers and Maryland must’ve been for total TVs only, as far as I know.
I find it funny how you missed FRESNO STATE in this hypothetical BS video! Bosie who can't schedule a decent power team on their non conference schedule and sdsu who cant seem to win any decent games! FRESNO has time in and out have had the highest attendance in the G5 and not just football but baseball, softball, ect and own the market from the central valley and regions from Bakersfield up to Sacramento!
Boise @ Oregon isn't a power non con? Who has Fresno played and defeated power non con? Fresno always fades out never has even sniffed at NY6 eligibility. Literally the last two decades Fresno has not defeated anyone that mattered. Bakersfield to Sac town don't give a damn about Fresno ball
@@ganjean4209 lmfaooooooo ok!! To the person crying about the donkeys 🫏!! U know nothing of California! Ohh Oregon we played them a couple years ago and we kept it close! Let's see 3 wins over ucla, we beat Purdue and Arizona state! You guys played one good team and lost horriblely too. You guys sure do love to live in the past with that ny6 😄 🤣
@@FresnoState101played Oregon and kept it close one time😂….boise state beat Oregon all 3 Times. Fresno is a slum. They never deliver when it matters. I’ll take San Diego and Boise all day
It's a matter of who goes where, the B1G and SEC will look at who they can add from the Big 12 and ACC in the near future which would be the most valuable brands available from those two conferences.
It is not likely that either league will poach the Big 12 any time in the near future
You should do videos of potential division realignments for MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL
Could be a dumb question, what does this mean for college basketball? Are they forced to switch division as well or does that change due to the different sport?
Basketball will be along for the ride just like every other sport. It’s not a factor in realignment even for basketball schools like Duke, UNC, KU.
The BIG has two criteria schools must meet. 1. High football revenue 2. AAU accreditation. No one in the ACC meets that criteria (Miami would be the closest). SEC will take who they want, the Big12 will take who they can get. The rest will remain in the ACC and try to rebuild.
WOULD FSU really be suing the ACC if they didn't already have an under the table conference to go to???
Exactly
Florida state belongs in the SEC, but probably would benefit more from the B1G. Not just from athletics, but academically. Once they get AAU status, their academic programs will share in the research money the other B1G schools get. Plus, I doubt they’ll be the only southern school to join the B1G. Miami and UNC may join them so they won’t be in an island by themselves. Plus FSU playing Ohio state, USC, Michigan, and Penn state would generate just as much revenue as if they played anyone in the SEC. Either way you slice it, all FSU can do is win wherever they decide to go between the power 2.
LOL. Ok then.
I think two super conferences are inevitable. In fact, I don’t see the Big Ten or SEC stopping at 20 members: I see both conferences expanding to 24. My prediction is that the SEC adds Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina, NC State, Oklahoma State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, and Kansas (Kansas City Market). The Big Ten would likely add Notre Dame, Arizona, Arizona State, Stanford, Colorado, and Utah.
I agree completely. No one is talking about Big10 and SEC raiding the Big12. I also wonder if Purdue, N'western, MN, Vanderbilt, Mississippi State, and others are safe in SEC and Big10.
The SEC will not take a school in South Carolina and would probably take Miami over FSU for location. North Carolina has nothing in terms of market. I do believe there is more to Fran Brown leaving UGA to coach SYR then just getting a new job. New York is still the nation's largest market. I see SYR to the SEC. There's no other place where the SEC can justify giving up $60 million than the north east market.
God these conferences suck
Adding Louisville and Pitt + 2 other decent ACC Schools will help fill in the East for the Big12. Virginia Tech and NC State would be first choice but who knows how the cards fall..
You totally ignored the option of the B12 adding four mid ACC schools after the top 2 to 6 leave for the SEC and B1G. IMO after FSU and at least one other top ACC value leaves their contract doesn’t get picked up in FEB25 or get renegotiated down by 25%. Then B12 adding Louisville, VT, NCState and GT or other mid ACC schools adds 10 to 20% in value.
If Louisville can get there act together in basketball, there's 100% incentive to add them to the Big 12. Plus, you already have some Big East/AAC rivals there in Cincy and WVU
@@UofLFan1224 it would be great to have UL join the B12 with three others from the ACC. UL should have been invited back when UWV was added at ESPN request. Who would you want?
I agree actually with those or similar ACC schools being the leftovers after the B1G and SEC have their fill of the best brands in the ACC. The Big12 will then offer a home to the next best of the ACC. The ACC will then have to reconstitute itself the best it can by doing what the Big12 did by lifting up some Group of 5 teams. Assuming Stanford doesn’t go B1G, they and Cal will depart the ACC back to the west coast and join with WSU and OSU to build a new PAC/MWC.
Oh I didnt know Florida St left the ACC already. Which conference did they join?
Sun Belt
B10
@@HughJass-id8iq😂
Roughly half of cfb market share is in the BIG10 and SEC, the other half is elsewhere but with more teams. Which will be more interesting considering that they are on basically equal footing? BIG12, ACC, and G5 vs BIG10/SEC. Who has more content? Who has Cinderella stories? The rest of the cfb should flex their collective muscle. A 2+2+2+2+2model with 4 at large. If the Big10 and SEC say no then go to a 2+2+2 with 4 at large and ignore them.
2Big10/SEC/BIG12/ACC/G5
Can the BIG10 and SEC field an interesting 16 playoff alone? NO
Your kidding right??? Who will buy the rights to a G7 playoff...it would be a big nothing burger!!! Nobody watches them now. Have fun with that
The sec has gotten 2 teams in a 4 team play off do u think it's gonna be any different with a 12 team playoff? 6 a least !!
@@frictionhitchthe others are willing to take that chance. Guaranteed that a playoff system for only the Big12, ACC and G5’s wouldn’t come close in value to what they are getting by staying with the B1G and SEC even at the lower amounts.
It would be a huge pay raise for the left over teams to go to the Big12. ESPN will rework the ACC contract. It will be drastically lower. Could be anywhere between 12 to 18 million per year.
SEC staying local is not a good business decision because they will not make much more money. B1G is going to span 4 time zones so more games will be televised across those times including probably an extra time slot.
When the SEC adds North Carolina and Virginia they will be in as many states as the B1G will be in 2024 (14 states). Stretching from Texas to North Carolina is far from "local".
The B1G having a 1,500 mile gap between Los Angeles and Lincoln, NE doesn't automatically give the B1G all those states in between.
From a big ten fan, I'm already sick of this. Someone needs to step in from congress or something and stop all this. It's literally going to ruin college football. Am I excited to see games like michigan vs usc? Ohio st vs oregon? Potentially michigan vs Florida St or notre damn annually? Yeah. But it doesn't belong. You are literally destroying the little teams that we need. Do we want more playoffs? And games that matter instead of meaningless bowl games? Just do what the fcs does. Eliminate one game to 11, kill the conference championships, and do a 24 team playoff. Then we will get our, Ohio st vs Georgia, Alabama vs Penn st, Florida St vs Oregon and more games that teams will actually play their starters in. Just divide up the TV revenue within the power 5, and spread some of that to the other conferences like Mac and sun belt etc.
@armchairgeneral7557 (great name, by the way)... the SEC cares about quality over quantity. The SEC didn't transition to 9 conference games back when everyone started making that switch. The Pac12, Big12 & B1G (in that order) all received higher tv deals after adding that extra premier conference game. The SEC didn't go after that money grab, and B1G fans love gloating about how they make more tv money... but still, somehow, the SEC has more top 25 college football annual revenue generators.
If those Pacific time slot was so valuable, why do they try and schedule their premier match ups according to the eastern timezones? Because they want more people to potentially watch it. But at least they did grab the best from out west. The problem is, a Penn St wouldn't be happy about games that start at 11 pm locally and ends after 2 am. Maybe the younger audience would hang around. Coast to coast is only a selling point if the entire country was as football crazy as the South is.
UNC and UVA going to the SEC is a big if. Even if that happens, the SEC is still stuck in a lot of smaller markets. The Big Ten already owns the five largest TV markets. It's not about the number of states. It's about the number of eyes in those states.
@gregoryjasonsmith5732 what did the Pacific time zone do for the Pac12? The analogy of quality over quantity comes to mind.
There’s only going to be two major football conferences. Each of those conferences will have 30 teams each. All the teams left out will have their own smaller conferences.
A conference full of blue bloods will eventually be a conference with only two blue bloods. That's what I think of the long-term impact of the current conference realignment.
The B1G would take FSU in a minute. Major Florida university and football king. There is tremendous bad blood between FSU and the SEC. Huge assumption on your part to believe that FSU would go to the SEC. FSU administrators have wanted the B1G for academic reasons more than football. Now FSU fans hate the SEC and ESPN.
The SEC does not need FSU, except to block the B1G.
The SEC isn’t blocking. FSU doesn’t want the grind of the SEC. Academics, as an excuse sounds better than their last excuse of having an easier path to the playoffs. Heck everyone has a path to the playoff now. Can’t use that one anymore. They’ll be fine going to the B1G.
@@jansonroberts2616fsu owns the sec stats dont lie
@@SurferRC63-3 is all the stats needed. Playing a mid Florida school and a down LSU school isn’t helping your argument at all. Georgia has won every regular season SEC game for three years straight. There’s a real stat.
FSU will go to the SEC, just because ESPN would be willing to give a higher share than the B1G in my opinion.
@@jansonroberts2616 which is relevant to what? UGA has had a great football program, but?
No one wants regional rivalries destroyed by these greedy idiots….. stop ruining CFB …. These moves don’t make sense truly
When the Big 12 was on life support the ACC should have pounced and grabbed West Virginia and one of the Texas teams (TCU would have been my choice as it's the farthest east I believe). They also should have added Cincy and UCF while they were still available. Yeah, it would have destroyed the grant of rights but there's strength in numbers and those 4 programs would have eased the pain of losing FSU, Clemson, Miami, and UNC.
The Pac-12 was ready to pounce I believe with Oklahoma State and Texas Tech but USC put the kibosh on it for, "travel reasons." Then they ended up leaving anyway. Hope they enjoy those trips to Rutgers and Maryland?
They need to make 4 16-team conferences and take the winners of each to make the playoffs. Seeds 5-12 should be based on record/strength of schedule. There’s your playoffs.
To easy and simple which is why it will never happen.
Makes sense to me, I’d love to see it.
With the B1G and SEC getting so large they almost need their own playoffs before bowls/national championships. They need to start looking at pro sports where they have 4 divisions and a west/east or north/south conference within their own conference. Total geographical Realignment is nice for simplicity sake but would never happen in reality. There’s too much money, history and rivalry between different programs and conferences to allow it.
The B1G is probably adding at least 2 from the ACC and maybe more. The SEC 4+. The only possible surprise would be if the B1G went higher but did it with say FSU/Clemson then went to like Texas to get a footprint and harm the B12. If we assume nothing crazy then the B12 should just add what they can and is left.
If they are left, and in this order I'd say add 4, Miami (more in Florida), GT (play into Georgia and Atlanta), NC St (NC play), VT (they are bigger in DMV than UVA by far and bigger in VA), Syracuse (NY and mainly NYC play), Lville (fits well and new market), Pitt (too similar to WVU but good fit).
The ACC can add Wash St, Ore St, Boise, SD St, UConn, Memphis, UNLV, and maybe someone else on east
I could easily see the Big 10 add an entire southern wing. Add 6 schools to get to 24: Notre Dame, FSU, Miami, UNC, UVA, and Georgia Tech.
The Big 10 and SEC need to have their power checked
lol, it can't. They will just leave the NCAA. This is what most people want anyway.
There’s very few teams with a chance to go to p2, 40-44 total by the end. Big wants fsu and nd, maybe 2 more from unc, uva and Miami. SEC will consider those plus Clemson, maybe nc state, va tech, ga tech. That’s all folks. The only sure things are nd fsu and unc if they don’t insist on state. Clemson and Miami could even be left behind, get it? Everyone else will stay in the second tier. No one else adds enough value. 44. Tops, I’d guess 42.
UNC will be in the SEC if and when they leave the ACC. Book mark this here.
How is the Big 12 “condensed”?
No big power, just irrelevant teams...mostly
Y does it matter wha the Big 12 tV deal is currently when they can rework the deal after realignment. Something tells me Clemson don’t wanna go to SEC maybe B1G. BIG12 best scenario
To get 24 teams
Clemson
Miami
Louisville
Pittsburgh
Georgia Tech
Memphis
Duke
Virginia Tech
I have seen videos saying with the SEC and Big 10 are going then they need to add 14--18 teams each. This will allow an NFL format. Divisions to organize etc. This will blow up revenue into the sky. Not just TV but corporate sponsors for team and regular games. Like Pitt vs Penn St for the Hershey Pa Battle.
I’ve seen those videos too. At first I didn’t like the idea, but the more I think about it I think it fits the evolutionary trail we seem to be on and, like you say, will be a boom to many existing and newly formed rivalries. My school gets chopped out again but I’ve reconsidered and have accepted things for what they are and will be. And I’m ok with that.
I can see a Power 2 with a lesser Group of 3 “best-of-the-rest’s”. Or the best-of- the-rest could group together to form their own 24 to 30 school nationwide conference consisting of 4 geographic divisions. Have their own championship game on the same Saturday as the Power 2 championship game. That works for me.
@@chsmithins What was your school. I want to Pitt.
WSU in Pullman. I’ve seen videos mentioning Pitt as one possible B1G pick-up. If it works out that way, great for you! That’ll be an amazing event for ya.
Possible, but I don't see any conference going to more than 24 schools. That gives them 4 pods with 6 teams each.
@@gregoryjasonsmith5732 I see it as an outcome from 2 factors IF they make it a closed super league. To get the real GREAT money like the NFL they need a larger footprint. More places with "Home Teams" to get more eyes on the games. Coast to Coast coverage. In most cases each collages has a smaller footprint. Like I don't give a shit what Penn St, Temple, WV or Ohio St does, Second limiting the backlash from Universities left out. Does it wrong will make people you need from TV made and with the Politicians. They need inclusion for everyone. Need too give those left out a soft landing. It is in the winner best interest. . .
FSU, UNC, Miami, ND, & UV will go to the B1G. NCS, VT, Clemson & WV will go to the SEC. Louisville, GT, Pitt, & BC will go to Big 12 as far as Big12 payday compared to ACC, when FSU leaves their payout will decrease drastically because of less interest & money.
Bro couldn't be any more off. UVA/VT state stuff trying to keep them together, same with NCST/UNC. Big 12 doesn't want BC, maybe not GT. Miami isn't what it was, they honestly might be the one out to go to the Big 12. It's just the Miami market, not a good program
lol.. SEC/B1G are not taking NCS, VT, WVU. None of those teams create the revenue to pay the football and basketball players as employees. SEC not taking the shit academics of WVU. ND/FSU to B1G. UNC/ UVA to SEC. Miami and Clemson will be put on hold.
UNC will go to the SEC if and when they leave the ACC. Book mark this right here.
UNC wants to go the Big 10. They don't care about NC State. It's the politicians that want to make sure NC State doesn't get left behind. UVA and VT in the same conference only happened about a decade ago. They aren't joined at the hip. If anything, UNC and UVA are more closely aligned. Similar academics, sports, and culture. More history together as well.
WV adds nothing .also stadium is too small
4:55 The Big 12 is firmly in third place among College Football Conferences. They are as far ahead of the ACC as they are behind the SEC and Big Ten.
6:55: FSU to the Big Ten and Miami to the SEC. The SEC and Big Ten fight over NC with Clemson as a consolation prize, unless NC State is a package deal with NC (then the SEC might still be interested, but the Big Ten won’t be).
lol... ACC is still ahead of Big12.
Come back after the fireworks have ended. Right now, today, the ACC is number 3.
Not a chance. The ACC was number three before the PAC-12 imploded, but the number four Big 12 used the PAC-12’s collapse to leapfrog the ACC. The ACC has made similarly disastrous decisions like the decisions that the PAC-12 made..
Whoever gets fsu becomes the best conference tbh
@@SurferRC LOL, way to pull for your fav. The SEC is head and shoulders above everyone else in football regardless of who anyone adds at this point. Facts are facts.
Your night lights map is a flat map superimposed on a round one. Those lights are in the wrong spots. That is not where Denver and Salt Lake city are. Look at the Texas triangle. It is shifted far too east.
I think the “Big 3” rhetoric presupposes the ACC losing its top brands.
In terms of UNC:
On one hand, apparently the SEC and B1G really want them and they usually get what they want
On the other hand, that Wolfpack Backpack is glued on tight and the P2 conferences might not feel like getting strong armed or bullied in to having to take both. Also the state of NC is heavily invested in the ACC as a whole and may influence the outcome of all this
Yeah, same with Virginia. That is why the ACC could get stronger by adding the top schools from the Big 12 to be a truly the best of the rest. We have seen teams from the MWC, Big 12, AAC and them beating the SEC schools. Boise State did beat Georgia and Florida State, so the big 2 who still have not taken the best power football schools out of the other conferences and the G5 still will have problems that they could get eliminated from the playoffs early.
UNC wants out. The SEC wants them badly. They have always been pro ACC. Saying we will never leave. UNC has a new chancellor who has said for the first time that UNC will do what's best for UNC. If that means leaving the conference, that is an option. By 2027, the SEC schools will be making 100M more per school inrevenue from it's new tv deal. Also, several Clemson insiders are saying that Clemson and UNC are working together on getting out of the ACC. IF that's true, both of those schools could be heading to the SEC
@@SpitfirethedragonNobody from the Big12 would leave for the ACC.
Interesting. The B1G has let it be known that any new addition would have to “pay their way”. If the payout is $70m a year per school, then a school would have to, at minimum, bring $70m a year in revenue generation. Only FSU and ND meet that criteria. UNC brings in about $34-36m a year for the ACC. Less than half of the requirement.
Also, in viewership, UNC ranks #46, behind several G5 schools.
@@505premoto not all about Football. B1G actually covets UNC more than FSU.
Never understood why Boise isn’t a power conference. Their pedigree is insane since 2000. All these ridiculous “educational standards” are pathetic. It’s all the same thing. I went to a prestigious school and can tell you it wasn’t special. Just wasted a ton of money for a title. Hasn’t benefited me more than my buddies who went to basic schools
Its all about markets,big and sec dont NEED anyone. They have the state of Florida,they have the South Carolina. BIG wants those markets to.
ACC gonna be the Ivy League of the Power 5. Olympic athletes and Brains.
Power 5? It’s the Power 4 for now. Times are changing.
@@jansonroberts2616 Until June 1st Power 5.
@@cgandy27 LOL. Ok
UConn will join the Big 12 or ACC
Maybe UConn will have this opening AFTER the ACC is picked clean by the B1G and SEC. The ACC will then have to reconstitute itself and will do as the Big12 did by picking up schools from lower conferences.
I see the ACC losing FSU, MIAMI, and clemson to the SEC. And UNC, Virginia, and N.C ST to the B1G. 8 teams to replace them with
USF
UCONN
TULANE
MEMPHIS
SD. ST
BOISE
WAZZOU
Oregon st
Go with more quantity for more inventory!
If you started all over you could take the map alone and divide up all the FBS schools into 6 regional conferences of around 20 or so teams each that would be not only fair in travel considerations but would have bluebloods in each. They would also have most of the natural rivalries intact as well as each having a bunch of super basketball schools. Obviously they would all have plenty of cupcakes. None of them would be head and shoulders above the others the way it is now. Sure, some would be a little better than others but in most years you'd never have too much of a gap in between them. All done based on nothing more than geography.
You wouldn’t have to start over with the SEC. The SEC will be perfect once they add UNC, Clemson, Virginia and NCST.
That doesn't make things fair for everyone else though. The whole point of the starting over idea is to get more of an even playing field. The SEC is already head and shoulders above everyone else and that includes the Big10.
@@bradparnell614it wouldn’t be fair to break up the SEC just because they’ve made good decision’s though.
Nothing is fair in love and conference realignment.
Big ten needs to get Kansas first. The football side of the conference is strong adding Kansas would strengthen the hoops side
Problem is KS just doesn’t have fb value. They’re even way behind KSU in their own state.
@@jeffwatson68 like I said, Kansas wouldn’t bring much the football side of the conference, but it would greatly enhance the basketball side. It’s hard to get a team that’s good at both that’s available. As for being behind Kansas State is not that far. Both were top 25 team last year one team is ranked in basketball. The other one is not. Plus Kansas will bring in the Kansas City TV market.
@@ShowercurtainU To add on, they are getting a new stadium
Could even Imagine the SEC giving Kansas a look eventually since the SEC took Mizzou. Kansas is a very recognizable Brand.
@@rx2878The SEC will have much stronger lower hanging fruit right in front of them from the ACC.
A Northern Conference and a Southern Conference, thirty schools each, with promotion and relegation within each. I think thats where this is headed, with the remaining schools in a higher-octane FCS.
Relegation will never happen with the SEC. Founding members aren’t going to be relegated out. Doubtful it would happen in the B1G either. There are by laws in place as well.
ACC is going to implode, Stanford and Cal will run back to the Pac 12 and be merged with the Mountain West and West Cost conf to create a huge two div conf. ND will go to the Big 10, It will be the re build Pac 12, Big 10 and SEC.
There will only be a 2 conference league, if the majority of teams are involved, like 60 teams minimum.
Just a crazy thing they could do is a relegation system for all of college sports.
I can see a path to the ACC becoming the best conference in the NCAA.
The PAC 12 and ACC were the two conferences that most prided themselves in prioritizing academics over sports. Cal and Stanford were the leaders of the PAC 12 in this regard. The only way them joining the ACC made sense is if the ACC is emerging as the safe haven for power 5 teams teams looking to hold on to the old NCAA amateur vision of college sports. This would also explain why FSU wants out so bad, as they definitely don't have that vision.
The BIG 12 seems to be a collection of teams interested in a new vision with a semi-pro restructuring, but not ready to join the SEC or BIG 10. These three leagues seem destined to leave the NCAA to create a new league designed to manages non-conference schedules, NIL and transfer portal issues. This will come with division structures build to feed into a playoff structure.
Based on this model, I could see Vanderbilt eventually leaving the SEC for the ACC. This event would confirm this future of college sports.
After the SEC, BIG 10 and Big 12 leave the NCAA, the ACC would be the best conference remaining.
Along with the Ivy League.
What a laugh
I agree with you. I think that the SEC and BIG10 ditch some of their teams and absorbs the football portion of the Big 12. This would probably be the best thing that could happen to college sports. Expel the Big10 and SEC football from the NCAA and let them play for a Semi Pro title and allow all the other NCAA teams to play for the NCAA championship since no real championship exists for football in D1 today.
wish the big east, southwest conference could make a comeback in football
For just getting looked over and staying put, Oregon State and Washington State are sitting good if everyone wises up and the Pac 12 reforms.
We can all hope the P12 comes back that would be awesome
Should the PAC-12 get in the Mix, they’ll probably go after teams in the WAC & The Mountain West
... This money chasing is what will in the end, shrink sports. It's not good.
I see the BIG 12 getting Miami, Virginia Tech, Pittsburgh, and Louisville.
ACC getting washington state and Oregon State, with San Diego State, and UNLV
Miami can get into the B1G/SEC, so I don’t realistically see them going to the Big 12
And the ACC could also try and get Memphis, USF, Tulane, and UConn. Those 4 along with Washington st, Oregon st, San Diego st and UNLV can save the ACC, although it would be much, much worse.
A re built Pac 12 is better off then the ACC. ACC is going to implode like the Pac did, Stanford and Cal will be back, along with Washington State, Oregon State, UNLV And then merge with the Mountain West.
I disagree with the Big 12,
But the ACC makes sense if you remove UNLV and replace them with Boise State.
@@zachellenburg5738the SEC doesn't want MIami and the BIG wants one team from Florida so if they get FSU they won't want Miami. It's either or for them. That would put Miami in the BIG 12.
@zachellenburg5738 UConn would only join THAT version of the ACC for football. They aren't going to leave the Big East unless they can get into a big money conference (which they won't). They already made a bold move with their football program to leave the AAC, the new ACC prob will be on par with what the American was before they lost Hou, Cin, UCF.
I could see Louisville, Pitt, & Cuse going to the Big12 if the moneys right. I could also see nc state or VT going if they don’t get an invite into the big 2 conferences. I think ncsu & vt are the bubble schools so to soeak, I think nc state has the better chance due to the relationship with UNC
Dude, not to be grammar police, but damn, spelling Carolina "Corolina" is not a good look. You create strong content and offer substantive analysis, but that's an amateur move I hope you learn from man. Did it for North and South Carolina which means someone clearly thought Carolina actually started with a Co.
He's definitely someone who would make grammatical mistakes and has in the past, but he uses other people's pictures and videos so often that I bet it's someone else's
Dolthan, AL?
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Big 12 should have added teams that would win, like I believe Boise state would have done better in that league than any other new school they added. Winning is what truly drives in money and growth. Why not add in the winningest football program in the 21st century? It also would have kept the BYU v Boise rivalry going, which was super fun to watch every year
Hypothetical: SEC adds FSU, Clemson, Miami, and UNC then the Big10 adds ND, Louisville, Duke, and Virginia tech
I’ll switch Louisville for Stanford (coupled with your Notre Dame) and we have a deal.
switch Louisville and UNC. Louisville has a rivalry with Kentucky and u cant split up Duke UNC
Sec won't get fsu.
B1G would only want N.D out of that group. Louisville, Duke, and VT don't move the needle at all.
@@troywest7045fsu brings the most $$$, thats why the b10 wants them
I'm. All for US Congress passing a law limiting college athletic conferences to 12 teams each.
All the conference commissioners from these conferences have been to DC and talked with congressional members. No help is coming.
Congress has no control would be struck down in SC
Utah getting absolutely screwed. Best most consistent team in the Pac 12 over the last 10 years.
CAL and Stanford joining the ACC in Baseball is HUUUUGGGGEEEEE and no one is talking about this.
no one cares about baseball.
@@hcopenhagenhYes, but once the NCAA tournament is over there is nothing of interest sports-wise except recruiting, so die-hards are drawn to the NCAA college baseball tournament.
FSU would be dumb to join the SEC!
Why? More $$$ in the b10 too
The Big 12 will get Pitt, Louisville, NC State, UNC, Virginia, and Virginia Tech. The ACC will either dissolve or become a AAC/C-USA copy.
The Big 12 is better top to bottom in football than the Big 10. The Big 10 is top heavy but outside the top 4 the rest are on par or worse than the Big 12 schools.
What a joke .big 12 is nothing
Awwww, you look cute sitting at the little kids table. Bless your heart.
@@troywest7045 idk what table you’re sitting at but atleast I know the conference my team is in isn’t on the brink of collapse. If you’re an ACC fan you should be mad at your conference, not me.
@@basementhorrorsreview My team is in the B1G and while I'm all for expansion, I'm also being realistic as to what the media partners are willing to do at the moment.
Things get messy when you try to amend contracts, not to mention getting a room full of Presidents agree on something. The B1G and USC/UCLA had apparently been talking behind closed doors and when the time was right(Start of the new media deal) and announced the move. Wa/OR had been vetted, but the media deal had already been done when the PAC fell apart. Fox bumped up the media deal, some people online say Fox wasn't happy to bump it up, less than a year after it started, is that true, I have no idea, but they only bumped it up for half shares that go up slightly every year till the next deal in 2030. That's just over 30mil a year starting out per school. I'm not sure what ACC schools get now per school, but my guess it would be in the same ballpark around 30mil a school, so basically they would make the same money for 5-6 years till they get a full share on the next media deal. The B1G only has ND in its escalation clause, so anybody added would need either Fox or a new media partner to pay for the broadcast rights. If Fox passes, because they don't want to spend more or they are out of windows, then they could try another linear partner or a streaming platform like Apple TV. The thing is a full share is 60mil a year, so if you add even just two teams that's 120mil a year for two games a week and if you're the other linear channel or streaming platform, you're probably getting the last picks of the games each weekend, so no marquee matchups and how much can that really be worth? 120mil a year? I dunno, I just don't see the math adding up for them being able to offer full shares, unless someone at Fox in the C suite says they need to get into Florida at all costs.
“ACC basketball is not very good either”. You sticking with that? Want to retract that statement.
ACC aftermath
1. Stanford
2. Cal
3.Oregon St
4. Wazzou
5. San Diego St
6. Boise st
7. SMU
8. Tulane
9. Memphis
10. USF
11. UCONN
12. G.T
13.DUKE
14. V.T* Unless them and Virginia are a package! Duke/ UNC are not as UNC/ NC ST Are!
15.Louisville
16 N.D no football
17. Syracuse
18. Pitt
19 B.C
20.Wake forest
Being a mid major team. I care less about this football conference stuff. I enjoy March madness more.
I love how no ones knows what the SEC is gonna do, all I hear is the B1G should grab FSU, no they should UNC, no they should get Miami. The SEC will jump to 20
UNC or UVA won't go to the SEC. I believe they will stay and rebuild the ACC to keep their rivalries and the history of the league. Only 2 teams in the ACC really want to leave and none of the other 16 teams are football powerhouses. Getting $30 million a year would be find with those schools. Keep in mind at some time the SEC and Big10 are going to get rid of the poor teams who don't carry their weight - Vanderbilt, Northwestern, etc. If money is all that matters why hang onto the 8 weak sisters that are their today.
Dude you are not up to date! The BigTen and SEC want 4 each guaranteed teams in the 12 team playoff.... Get up to date
Boycott time for SEC & Little Ten. Dropped TV ratings will hault this crap.
And a boycott won't achieve jaxk
@@stevekelly9509 It's spelled jack. Jack
@@user-zs3yp1ef7e there is one way people can do that. They have to cut the cord to cable and satellite tv. Don’t give ESPN or Fox any money.
Im not convinced you seriously follow realignment. The notion of the XII being in a P3 stems from the idea that they would absorb the best of the ACC leftovers if and when some of the top dogs leave. The XII while not on the same level as the B1G or SEC but would be powerful and valuable ENOUGH to stay in the conversation. The XII did not seriously consider adding SDSU and their focus was primarily on UConn and Gonzaga for basketball only. Duke and UNC are not staying together. And this notion that the B1G and SEC are so much better than everyone else is ridiculous to me because if you take a step back and look at it, its just Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, and Michigan AND they make more money. that is there central argument.
The gap is widening every day. But imo the Big12 will be willing to g to take less money and fewer playoff spots to remain with the power 2.
It's a money grab , 40 teams tops they are not looking to split the pie . Acc will get weaker Espn will offer pac 12 money , 22-24 million per team for remaining members if they are lucky.
You need to look at those ACC B12 contracts and compare them
ACC is dead!
B12 has a big jump
I dunno. I see the Big12 now as just a large group of secondary tier brand names. What they would add from the fall of the ACC (after the B1G and SEC gorge themselves) would just be more of the same.
I agree that, they, the BIg12, will be the strongest of the rest of the conferences left. It won’t be a “big jump”, though. I think it’ll be way distant from the Power 2 but bigger than the rebuilt ACC and PAC/MWC rebuild.
It will change a little. The ACC will get raided by the B1G and SEC, and then the Big 12 will get raided by them. After that, both of their deals will get pulled.
What's left of the Big 12 and ACC will combine to form the new G1, taking the best of the current G5 (and the Pac2) with them.@@chsmithins
ACC is getting a larger cut of the CFP split than the Big12 this upcoming CFP contract. Neither of them are dead…..yet. We’ll have to see how it plays out.
What the ACC has going for it is that the East has a large population and the fasting - growing states are there, especially North Carolina, Virginia, Tennessee, and Georgia. The states in the Big Ten are not growing, and with the exception of Florida and Georgia (and now Texas) the same is true of the SEC. The Big 12 has states with low growth and population (again with the exception of Texas). This says that there is a need for an Eastern conference, and the ACC seems to be that - especially with the addition of UCONN.
3 conferences dude
The Big10 convincing people they are as good as the SEC was one of the biggest cons of all time. Some of the most borings teams in CFB, terrible to watch.
Not a con when they just had a team win the National Title. They are not a con when they've got 6, now 7, with the addition of Oregon, of the top 12 most watched teams in the nation. They fall short to the SEC as far as national title wins in the last 20 years.
The numbers don't lie, they have a massive following.
Yeah, I see your point exactly. It means an absolutely NOTHING that the National Championship game this year was between two teams from what will be BOTH FROM THE B1G!!!
SEC is literally Alabama and Georgia. And on a good year LSU.
SEC ain't all that
You do the know Big10 makes more money than any conference right?
Sec: a conference that pays players and has esecspn running interference so they get away with it. Looking at you Saban and Kirby. Saban was the biggest fraud in the history of college football. Notice how fast he retired when the nil became a thing. Can't secure all the nations top picks exposed him. He was slowly going down once the players cycled through. With this being the 4th year upcoming in the nil, he knew it was over. Got out before he got humbled.
Duke isnt going anywhere
If the SEC chooses to add FSU Clemson Miami, (former SEC member) Georgia Tech and Louisville, Now thats 5 leaving 9 plus ND then the Big Ten would get All 4 NC schools, UVA, VT and ND. That leaves BC Pitt & Syracuse, those last 3 go to the Big XII. The Pac 2 (Washington St & Oregon St) add Cal Stanford & SMU, a reverse merger with the Mountain West + 2 or 3 top G5 teams
I guarantee the BIG10 has no interest in Wake Forest or VT.
Only school the B1G would really want from that group would be N.D.
N.C. would be 2nd best from that group, but the B1G isn't taking anymore teams from North Carolina other than them. Stanford would probably be added before N.C. or any other ACC schools. If N.C. State or Duke think they are going in lockstep with N.C to a new conference i'de like to introduce them to Washington State and Oregon State. Lastly any new school getting added before the next media deal will have to accept partial shares like Oregon and Washington.
FSU isn't going to the SEC. The Big Ten is renegotiating their TV deal to get all members full shares.
@@troywest7045b10 wants fsu already low key offered them a spot. Otherwise fsu wouldnt be suing the acc
Florida state should just go independent
They probably will to bide time until the AAU and Big Ten invitations are extended in about a year or two - if not sooner.
We used to be and our schedule every year was awesome. Bowden said we’ll play anyone, anywhere, anytime.
Oh fck no
They will join the BIG
SEC
I can see Florida State, Miami, Stanford, and after the ACC collapses finally Notre Dame for all sports. Clemson, North Carolina, North Carolina State and SMU will join the SEC.
It definitely will be a gut wrenching period for many schools in the ACC, won’t it! Who gets offered and who gets left behind? Major money involved.
Big Bucks are heavily involved. Golden opportunity for some universities as we speak.
App state
The big 12 will produce new Blue Bloods also expanding would always add value because you’re going into new TV markets and no they don’t have some of the top brands that the big 10 in the SEC have, but they do have good brands in football and adding more schools from the ACC would help that
lol
Fantasy
North Dakota State and South Dakota State need to join the Big Ten. I said what I said!!
lol. You can start in the mountain west and have teams like Boise state and Fresno stomp you. They deserve a move way more than South Dakota
1st stage - huge superconferences develop. 2nd stage - Texas, Alabama, USC, Ohio State. Michigan go independent and sign their own mega-deals, once they realize that private tv deals are more $$$$$.
LOL, ok
IMO the four biggest tier 1 brands that the B1G & SEC will fight tooth and nail for does NOT include FSU. The “big 4” are UNC, Notre Dame (not really ACC, but biggest free agent), Miami, and UVA. Both the B1G & SEC would LOVE to have all 4 of those over FSU & Clemson. Duke & Louisville would be tier 2. Mainly because all 6 of those schools are have more to offer than just football. If it’s just about football, then FSU, Clemson, VT, & WVU would be tied 1. But I think both the B1G & SEC are thinking more than just football imo. I gut tells me UNC, NCST, UVA, FSU, Clemson, VT, Duke, Miami will go to the SEC. Notre Dame, Pitt, Louisville, Syracuse, WVU, Boston College will go to the B1G. Of course Notre Dame are so arrogant & self righteous, they may do something wild like go to the B12 or the SEC than the B1G 😂. The B1G just makes too much sense 😂. No one knows what’s going to happen. It’s going to be fun to watch though!
Lol fsu brings the most viewership and $$$$ they are the prize. The others dilute the revenue
The B1G has an escalation clause in media deal to add Notre Dame, so that's built in. Those other schools you have going to the B1G are a hard pass, they wouldn't carry their weight and FOX wouldn't give them enough for a quarter share till 2030. They would obviously get Stanford to go with ND before any of those schools. Plus the B1G already have Penn St. And Rutgers for those markets.
If the ACC breaks up there will no longer be an ESPN. The lawsuits will be never-ending. There will be bigger lawsuits if teams go to the SEC.
I swear bro is saying contradicting statements over and over again
Hear me out do why would you want to switch to a different conference when you have a free Playoff Spot right there all you would have to do if you’re Clemson is handle your business and dont fuck it up and boom your in and they nobody can use Strength of Schedule as an excuse anymore of why a team got in over someone else if you’re guaranteed a spot in the playoffs if you win your conference
How do people not realize that this loophole exists
Because they may less than half of what the B10 does.
Harder to get one spot vs four spots! You can be a 3-5 loss sec/b10 school and make the 14 team playoff!! Thats the easiest road
All of these podcasts come from young people who didn't grow up with FSU being a women's college and/or not being in the ACC. It might be about the money, but the ACC can always get a better deal.....they just have to want it bad enough.
If you want to squelch rumors, accept the fact that if an institution is not a member of the AAU, they're not going to the Big 10 (Clemson and FSU.)
Nebraska isnt an AAU school but the B10 allows them. They much prefer that you are an AAU but money talks and if it comes to that theyll put AAU status to the side
@@sugargay7168 Exactly. It's a new day. Billion dollar TV CFP contract will make one forget all about AAU.
@@sugargay7168 Also, Nebraska was an AAU school when they joined the B1G. They only lost AAU status because their medical school is in Omaha, not Lincoln.
That's what you think huh? LOL. (Is Nebraska in the AAU?). Wake up, this is about money, not academics since you haven't been paying attention. FSU brings the state of Florida, one of the best states for recruiting & TV viewership... sorry, but your precious BIG10 can offer Ohio State vs FSU, which would be one of the biggest games of the year most years... or just continue to offer Ohio State vs Indiana, Rutgers, Minnesota, Purdue, Maryland, Illinois... are you getting the picture yet?
@@sugargay7168 Nebraska got booted out of the AAU mainly because their new research hospital was built off campus. If it was built on campus, they would likely still be in the AAU. Nebraska expects to back in the AAU sometime in the near future.
Just wanna say we will never join a conference permanently
I’m glad. Stand your ground and get the shaft in a couple of years when the mega conferences agree not to schedule you in a couple of years. Bravo 👏
Big 10 does not want FSU. There is no recruiting advantage to Tallahassee. Whereas Miami area is loaded. Notre Dame is the No 1 prize. Then it is UNC. Duke or NCSU is not tied to UNC. They will not be wanted by the conference that takes UNC. Duke-Carolina can still play a Home and Home. It may only be one game a year.
LOL last I checked Tallahassee is in the state of Florida... do you think FSU gets all it's players from Tallahassee? They get many many of their players from South Florida. Obviously you have an ax to grind with FSU, but nobody buys your silly breakdown. FSU is a BIG target for the BIG10.
UNC? Last I looked, these realignments have had everything to do with football tv rankings. UNC is no better than Stanford and Cal. As a matter of fact, Boise St had a larger audience than UNC... At best, UNC ranks in the mid 40's. Where's their value? UNC carries value, but $70 mil/year? Not trying to be an ass, I'm just trying to figure out the justification of paying UNC that kind of money for a football program that is around .500
@@rlhaff3560 Are you talking number of TVs or in actual TV audience watching? The B1G’s addition of Rutgers and Maryland must’ve been for total TVs only, as far as I know.
You are clearly misinformed! Fsu is the b10 biggest desire! They bring the most $$$$
FSU should come to Big12
The BIG12pays FSU 200+ million to join because the BIG12 needs them the most.
Nah b10 wants that $$$$
The BIG12 will buy FSU
I find it funny how you missed FRESNO STATE in this hypothetical
BS video! Bosie who can't schedule a decent power team on their non conference schedule and sdsu who cant seem to win any decent games! FRESNO has time in and out have had the highest attendance in the G5 and not just football but baseball, softball, ect and own the market from the central valley and regions from Bakersfield up to Sacramento!
Boise @ Oregon isn't a power non con? Who has Fresno played and defeated power non con? Fresno always fades out never has even sniffed at NY6 eligibility. Literally the last two decades Fresno has not defeated anyone that mattered. Bakersfield to Sac town don't give a damn about Fresno ball
@@ganjean4209 lmfaooooooo ok!! To the person crying about the donkeys 🫏!! U know nothing of California! Ohh Oregon we played them a couple years ago and we kept it close! Let's see 3 wins over ucla, we beat Purdue and Arizona state! You guys played one good team and lost horriblely too. You guys sure do love to live in the past with that ny6 😄 🤣
@@FresnoState101has Fresno ever represented a NY6? Cause I know
Boise
Memphis
Liberty
UCF
HOUSTON
CINCINNATI
ALL HAVE!
@@FresnoState101played Oregon and kept it close one time😂….boise state beat Oregon all 3 Times.
Fresno is a slum. They never deliver when it matters. I’ll take San Diego and Boise all day
@Mountaindwell4 lmfaooooooo come talk shit when boise can schedule good power 4 programs! Ohh wait didn't boise lose to us last year haha!