@@Winnetou17 I'm amazed they did this now when people are finally coming round to what an insufferable fraud Elon Musk is. Not surprised Australia of all places is where you can get some legit Starlink value, though.
Got myself a 5600 and i must say, coming from a 1500X this CPU is a MASSIVE upgrade, in some cases offering double the performance i was getting previously, which is just amazing. Really great option, considering i could still use it on my B450 motherboard after 4 entire generations. AM4 is simply amazing!
@@ShawFujikawa Seriously CPU-bound games definitely exist (Minecraft is a prime example) and will still show big improvements on older GPU's. I've seen it happen myself.
That's similar to the upgrade I want to make. I have a 2400G that I want to upgrade to a 5600. The 1500X and 2400G are basically the same in terms of cpu performance, the 2400G just has an iGPU. I just need to get a discreet GPU first and I've got my eyes on NAVI33.
Wrong, the 13900KS will destroy it, the 3D-vcache will turn into just worthless vcache CPU'S for AMD, AMD'S reign is over its time to put the crown on the new KING which is intel
Thanks for putting together another fantastic roundup inclusive of us budget and mainstream plebs! Got a 5800X for 200USD and it's been fantastic upgrading from an R5 2600 without having to change motherboard or RAM. Truly nothing beats living near a Microcenter with their ridiculous sales.
Did that exact swap last weekend. Super happy with my upgrade. 2600x treated me very well and is being reused in another build well so I don't feel to bad swapping the old gal of for that 5800x.
@@quagmirefx Just went from a 2600x to a 5800X3D yesterday and oh boy, I had no idea how much performance I stood to gain! Got my old 2600x for $120 back in 2019 for a $650 budget build, so absolutely no regrets, and I'll be sticking with AMD into the future if they can support AM5 like they have AM4.
I hear that. I live in the Bronx and the Yonkers Microcenter is only a hop, skip and jump away. Got myself a 5800X for $199 and my son picked up a laptop yesterday.
This is the first time I’ve seen a Starlink sponsorship. I’ve been using Starlink myself since February, and it is absolutely brilliant. There are a few issues here and there but far less than we were having with BT’s 5Mbps Copper.
I was somewhat surprised to hear the sponsorship section was brought to us by SpaceX! I'd kind of tuned out at that point and was like, what!?! Caught me by surprise 😅
@@youssefakenkar459 I've seen numbers like 20ms to 50ms typically. These are low orbit satellites, around 500-ish miles, instead of the usual ones that are about 30,000 miles higher than that.
@@youssefakenkar459 Pings are more likely low because of your local setup, even using a foreign SIM card to connect to mobile internet through the other side of the worlds copper networks gives decent pings if your local setup is correct. For instance, I use 4G 10MB internet for gaming and during the night get better speeds than my home 50MB Fibre connection during the day! The thing that affects ping times is usually your router setup and then your Windows firewall setup.
Fun one, AMD AM5 is winning at my work. We've had compatibility issues with intel chips with our older software while AMD works fine. My AMD hating system admin is even on board now haha.
@@MuhammadHosny0 Could be connected to all the security holes, don't know if it's relevant with the newest CPUs anymore, but with the older generations there was huge amount of problems.
I installed Starlink at my Grandmother and Aunts house, it's incredible. Their max DSL speed before was 2mbps down and 256kbps up. Felt like it was 1999.
Would love to see an AM4 upgrade analysis video comparing AM4 CPUs with budget/midrange GPU. We all know that 5800X3D provides substantial gains when using monster GPUs like RTX4900, but are the gains still there if you have like a RX 6700 or RTX3060 or that class of GPU (or the new models when released). For example, can an R5-3600 still keep up with those newer mid-range GPUs, or is it now becoming the bottleneck?
I saw a noticeable Improvement playing dota 2 at 1080p going from my 3600 to 5800x3d with my 1060 gb. Unless you're gaming at 4k and are entirely gpu bottlenecked you should see some improvement.
I agree but i have a 3400g with an rx 6700 and in most games i have about 50% utilization on both,and i bought a 3600 and the bottleneck was still pretty medium to high,so i bought a 5600 and the games were running lot smoother,i think the 5 5600/x are the best budget cpus
I wish there would of been more motherboard coverage, but I understand that it takes time to cover so many properly. On the other hand being a techy I kinda like doing the research myself and have figured out what board to get. Thank you for all the CPU and GPU coverage you do Steve! I'll be upgrading to a 7700X from my 10 year old i7-3770K LOL. This is gonna be goooood. 😂
We need motherboard reviews more than CPU or GPU. It’s really hard to figure out what motherboard is best for me. CPU and GPU is easy to make decision on.
I did catch a sale at my local MicroCenter and picked up the 13700K for $380 USD. That made it cheaper than the 7700X, and even though I mostly want it for gaming, the productivity boost is definitely worth it for me. They also have an extra $20 discount if purchased with an eligible mobo and I’m building a full new rig so I pulled the trigger. Haven’t put it all together yet so we’ll see how it performs in my real world use. 🤞🏼
Microcenter has a deal for the 7700x where you get 32GB DDR5 6000 ram for free plus $50 off a motherboard. All in for mobo ram and cpu is only $549 which is pretty insane.
@@JoshMillerDrums_ Good thing MicroCenter has a 15 day return policy on CPUs and motherboards 😂 Since my build is going to be mostly for gaming, the savings and platform longevity make it worth it.
@@JoshMillerDrums_ I actually did trade my stuff in for the free RAM deal. For anyone else interested, it’s a kit of GSkill Flare 32GB (2x16GB) 6000 CL 30. So it’s actually a pretty good kit. Sadly, no RGB if that matters to some.
I'm currently making a whole new PC build and, having been a life-long Intel-user, I've decided to go with the Ryzen 7700X. I only use my PC for gaming and even though the 13700K probably does deliver slightly better price/performance (even with DDR5) the upgradability of the AM5 platform won me over. Last time I bought a MoBo/CPU I effectively locked myself out of any way to upgrade but this time around I'd like to make a setup which can conceivably last a long time with just a GPU upgrade and maybe a CPU upgrade in 4-6 years. AM5 will be around for a few generations, I'm getting DDR5 RAM and a 1TB NVMe SSD as my boot drive (with enough space for a couple of high-priority games). Now I'll just have to see what the AMD 7000 series card end up costing in my region. Might have to go full Team Red for the first time ever.
Now at the insane high electricity prices AMD quickly makes more sense. Intel will use on average about 50W more for gaming, 100W for productivity, with 2h gaming 2h productivity per day, that makes over 100KWh per year, and in general higher power usage on the CPU increases mobo power usage too. Here it would mean at least 50€ more on electricity per year on the current prices and sadly price is just going up. Also with AMD I probably would power limit it to 90W as you get almost the same performance while cutting at least third of the power away.
@@Ureroll It's more complex than that, and depends so much on the individual and his current and potential future use cases. I doubt the future mobos are really getting anything worthwhile compared to current AM5 boards. Only possibility is that DDR5 speeds are going to get higher and the cheaper boards cannot support those. But otherwise you are not going to need DDR6, better PCIe, or more robust power delivery etc. I would say AM5 is the best time for early adaption, much better than AM4 for sure.
I just finished building the same system yesterday for the exact same reasons! I had been rocking a 10600k and with some of the new games being more CPU intensive I was bottlenecking quite a bit. The 7700x is a beast and gave me a huge boost in games like Spiderman remastered. Enjoy your system!!
@@Ureroll What you're saying makes sense, but not for my situation. If you have some existing hardware that you want too keep, like good DDR4 RAM, then you suggestion of going with the 13700K makes sense. However, my current RAM is 16GB of DDR3 3000hz. Keeping it on a new system doesn't make sense. The only part I'm keeping from my current build are the storage units, so I might as well invest in a new setup that can conceivably last for a while. Changing the motherboard is a pain that I'd rather not go through again for some time. If I had some really good DDR4 RAM that I bought recently then I might have gone with the 13700K, but I don't. And thus, the possibility to keep the motherboard for a long time is more important for me right now.
Thanks to the i3 12100, 4 core/8 threads have never been much more desirable. Definitely worth the entry or simply budget builds for gaming. You're not missing much going for that CPU.
Yea I have a 12100F since 2022 february and so far its been all good, does everything I need it for. Pretty much only play single player games and not a power/multi task user. No plans of upgrading further than a locked i 5 so I went with a more affordable B660 board, should handle a 12400 or a 13400 later down the line if I decide to upgrade but for now its not needed. Currently I have it paired with a RTX 3060 Ti and it works well with that little i 3. Prices are also different where I live, like everything is 30-40$ more expensive than whats listed in this video but thats just the way around here.:P
@@daelionmr4782 nice. Very good generational upgrade. Hopefully it's future successor will have some nice improvements that matches it's price to performance too.
To use ddr4 3600 on the 12100, you'd need a B or Z series board. Those seeking the cheapest route will probably opt for H610. Otherwise, their max is 3200 speed.
I'm surprised at the glossing over the 5800X3D. That thing is a beast if you're already on AM4 and with a bit of patience can definitely be found closer to 300!
Because this more like a guide for people who want to purchase new system, if you want to upgrade but still stick with your platform, the obvious option is just buying whatever is the best CPU on that platform, what more need to say about that. And everybody already know 5800x3D is a beast even neck and neck with new gen CPU.
this already takes lots of work i appreciate the effort to prevent the larger corporations from taking advantage of consumers with all these horrible naming schemes and tricky marketing tricks
I missed hardcoded subtitles, definitely when you started rattling thru all CPUs near the end of the video. Difficult accent for small portion of you viewers probably. Thank you for vid!
Amazon (and Newegg) had a combo with $100 off if you buy the 7950x with an Asus Crosshair X670E Hero together, so I picked that up. This build might get a 7900XTX too.
@@thefreemonk6938 What do I do for a living? These days nothing, as I’m on long term disability because I have stage 4 metastatic cancer. Yay. But before that I worked as a Site Reliability Engineer (SRE) for a major tech company. In addition to base compensation we received annual bonuses in stock RSUs, and over the decade+ that I worked there the stock exploded.
I bought a 58003DX for 300 usd. Insane price, as it beats EVERYTHING in gaming on high resolution. Not to mention, DDR4 and AM4 boards are really cheap right now.
@@DeepteshLovesTECH At 4k, the 4090 has the capacity to CPU bottleneck in some games. We are at that point with GPUs, so the 5800X3D might just have several more generations of life in it as a serious budget king that punches well above its weight for the price, even if it's likely to be left behind by the 7000-series 3D V-cache models.
except 5600x, 7600x, 7700x, 5700x, 5800x, i5 13600k, i5 12600, and 20 other cpus because you are 99% gpu bottlenecked on high resolution, except on games you get 100-200 fps already anyways (or competitive games, where you get 300-600 fps...)
Hey Steve! when you have a bit of time off would be great to see some Ultrawide benchmarks, maybe just one video to be able to compare results with 16:9 and see what to expect in term of fps
@@HalenShredder i'm interested in 2560x1080p results, it should be around 12% slower on average than 1920x1080p when GPU bound, but i'd love a dedicated video from the best youtube channel around :p
@@chemicalbuz No, how do you come up with 12%. It's 33% more pixels, so you should lose around 25% performance. 1440p is 83% more pixels than 1080p, so going with the difference between the 1080p and 1440p performance and then leaning more to the 1080p value is a good indication.
The i5-13600K (and also the old 12600K) reminds me of the R5 3600 when people were amazed by the raw value that was brought about by Zen 2. The 3600 was recommended by many for budget workstation purposes! Now the 13600K exists which keeps up with a 5900X and beats the 5800X/5800X3D/7700X in productivity! Gaming is the same for all, if we don't consider the hypothetical "gaming with a 4K capable GPU at 1080p" situation. C'mon AMD needs to up the core count again, across the board! Bring back 24 and 32 core Ryzen 9s as well!
Ryzen 9 was always 12 and 16 cores. 24 and 32 was reserved for consumer Thredripper, which AMD brutally killed its user base over two generations (R.I.P. X399 & TRX40 owner, myself included) I personally think the 7950X holds its own. It might be edged out by the 13900K in productivity but I also think that is happening due to extreme power draw that is happening with the higher core count Raptor Lake platform in general due to each P-Core and E-core getting a bigger base/boost clock increase than even Alder Lake which was substantial. Downside is you need exotic cooling to properly use Intel's Core i9 platform.
i had a r5-1600 that served me well for 5 years bought a 3700x and dropped it in the old b350 board, and it runs like a charm even on 2400mhz ram lol, it's way less sensitive to memory timings with the uncore and double the amount of l3 cache 28% quicker single threading, and well into the 40% for all out multithreading compared to the old one, nice little drop in replacement for the old am4 :D
Hi. Do you know which of these CPUs will perform better in machine learning and data science tasks, no need to say I would use a Nvidia GPU like 3070 besides the cpu, but I wanna choose an appropriate cpu for these types of tasks. These are my choices: 1. 5900X :$250 2. 13600KF :$400 3. a little bit pricey one (13700KF: $500)
The biggest advantage (for me, anyway) is that going Intel for 12th or 13th Gen means "upgrading" to Win11 to get the most out of it. For that alone, AMD wins me over for my next upgrade.
I'm looking at a 5900x for an all rounder. But I'm not sure if I will regret it after. Maybe I will wait a bit longer to upgrade, and see if there is a better deal or option.
If gaming is all you need, then the value and performance of a 5600 on AM4 is pretty insane right now, with a few exceptions like PS3 emulation using AVX-512, its heavily diminishing returns on price:performance above that.
You know you can play your Steam games using an AppleTV at low-med settings 1080p and it's absolutely fine to play. And if you're looking to emulate PS3 then you're better off going with Intel + igpu, and booting into Batocera. Even old 4 core CPUs with a decent igpu will breeze through PS3 stuff. That being said the 7000 series are looking pretty tasty, I might just wait on that platform since it will do everything perfectly :)
went from a 9700k to a 13700k and the difference in games is shocking. also, the amount of heat the 13700k spews out of my aio is also crazy. my cat is happy though now as she loves laying ontop my pc
I have an i7 8700K, which is hexacore and can ramp up to 5GHz and a GTX 1080 ti. Its old, but man does it still run everything well. I've only struggled with Cyberpunk at 1440p, getting it to to avg 61 FPS, but the anti aliasing shits on the graphics, which is probably only amendable by having Cyberpunk run at 120+ FPS. I miss Cyberpunk 1.0 tbh because I think they hadn't forced sharpening on the game and it looked better to me, with less input lag too and I was one of the fortunates to not have any bugs over 200 hours.
@@andersjjensen it was a big contrast for him, he basically was playing on his first computer with a 1650 i got used cheap. He's a teenager now.. you know, so he went from a 4c to a 6c and zen 1 to zen 3. and got a new 6600 at the same time so.. yeah, his monitor actually maxes out (my first 144hz 1080p hand me down) in some games. Im thinking maybe get him a 3600 cl16 32gb ram kit. Maybe trident z so he can have his first LED hardware.
@@dontsupportrats4089 why buy a gen3 only cpu when the 5600 was a few bucks more and gen4. The very limited 8x 6600 gen4 card needs gen4 just to break even with old gen3 16x standard. It was a stupid move to make budget cards on a 8x Gen4 bus requiring budget minded shoppers to buy gen4 hardware simply to have the same bandwidth available to the old 16x gen3. A big jump and totally different cpu the 5600 is over the 5500. Hopefully you already had a old gen3 board so it doesn’t matter as much.
@@45eno do you comprehend the difference of going from a 1300x to a 5500? You are confusing the 6600 with the 6500. I upgraded a PC I built 7 years ago for my 12 year old, just how much money do you think its worth for "future" proofing? I got 4 kids that all game, all you nuts think everyone needs a 13900k and 4090 to play 1080p. Welcome to the real world where kids can game on an Xbox Series S for 300 bucks. Upgrades don't exceed that price ceiling in my house unless you earn the money yourself. He has been gaming on it nearly a year now. Happily. And that makes me happy with the purchase.
@@dontsupportrats4089 you missed my point entirely and go to name calling. I’m not a nut that feels people need top of the line. I have 9x AM4 budget builds in the house 6 of which with 6600xt’s for kids and media PCs. No I didn’t get it confused with a 6500. This just shows you are lacking understanding about these parts. If you already had a gen3 board then the 5500 is a ok choice as you can’t get gen4 spec anyway. But if you happen to be on a b550/570 board then the 5500 was a terrible pairing of hardware as you missed out on letting this 8x not 16x card have full bandwidth which it is much more needy at 8x then even a 5600xt that is 16x at gen3. I was saying it was also terrible for AMD to sell these budget minded cards with 8x as many people would being pairing them with older or more budget focus parts.
I bought an i7 13700k for 500 euros in Italy, great price for us, INSANELY AMAZING cpu, it is really a fantastic upgrade from my old i7 7800x. And in the upgrade I kept my 64 gb ddr4 3200mhz cl 16, which is still great , since it is corsair dominator with great overclock room, and since ddr5 isn't that great of an upgrade I am super happy. What do you think guys ?
@@ImperatorBaldo yes, when it launched the price was 539€ 😆 Now it’s already discounted.. I went with the 13600k for 373€ playing on 1440p so the cpu is more than enough for many years to come + have it oc’d to 5,4ghz on a strix z790-f board. But prices for gpus are still ridiculous over here 🤦🏼♂️ 3080 tuf 850€ 😒
DDR5 is quite a big upgrade for your cpu actually, but very expensive right now. So perhaps not worth it. Maybe in 1/2 years when the ddr5 prices are better.
I normally use sponsorblock to skip all these sponsor ads but this one is so special, I had to temporarily cancel the skip to satisfy my curiosity. I have never seen a Starlink sponsorship before on basically any channel.
H610 boards are a better choice than b660 boards for i3 12100F or 12400F cuz they're more budget friendly for entry level gaming systems with a rx6600 or a 1660ti
The 5800X3D is the clear winner if you already got a AM4 system. Saving so much money with yet a close enough performance! DDR5 is still too early to get imho, we already got 7200 Mhz to buy so it feels it's best to let it mature abit more before going for that.
Fantastic and thorough video, the best in fact, but I think most people should wait until after the new year and see how prices change if you can wait. 16:29 made this comment before I got to this part of the video. 😅
11:05 Have to disagree. If you play mmos, the extra cache is gonna give you a good chunk of fps on your 1% lows, depending on what you're upgrading from. And in some mmo's, they're less 1% lows and more 10% lows. If you have AM4, there's no other choice, Intel can't compete with the 5800x3d. I would personally wait if you don't have AM4 and just upgrade when they launch the 7X00x3d, as pricing should have come down by then on mobo/ram. Cache is King.
Maybe starlink in Australia is different... but here in NA shit NEVER worked as described, Constant speed decreases, and upload was never stable enough for streaming
I would love to see a video using the existing value comparison benchmarks across a wide range of markets. Here in australia for example the 7600X is effectively in a different price class to the 13600K when total system cost is considered.
too many markets out there. i think it would be unreasonable to expect any one channel to attempt such a task as you would want more intimate knowledge of those local markets than just googling some prices and slapping it in a spreadsheet.
Well I'm glad this video came along when it did as I want to build another system, for fun or maybe upgrade from my current 10th gen !!! Lots to digest in this video so a big ty to HUB !!!
Is it possible to include DAW (digital audio workstation) benchmarks in the future for the productivity area? No one seems to do this yet music and audio industry in general is an integral part of creativity. Thank you!
I went Intel CPU (13700K + 6800 XT for gaming) when I built mine, mostly for lower latency thanks to monolithic die rather than chiplet design. Wipes the floor in Adobe suite with my office machine at work (11700 + Quadro RTX 4000), though I don't do a ton of high-intensity video. E-cores will free up all of the performance cores for intensive, realtime plugin processing, while also speeding up renders (especially with video, thanks to QuickSync). If you're concerned about latency, consider investing in a better DAC/ADC, or audio interface (RME is king here) that will have lower-latency drivers for monitoring while tracking. You can test this on your own system with a free software called LatencyMon! Also a huge plug for Puget Systems - while they tend to feature builds and guides that focus on video, CAD, etc. they do great write-ups on why they choose the parts they do for their prebuilts!
5800x3d is still a better overall gaming only focused CPU at under 4K resolution, over 13600K. As it's equally as fast as 13600K overall, but it's faster in MMO and Simulation genres. So in my opinion on DDR4 platform that is still best option, even if building new. But only if the difference between ddr4 and ddr5 platform is 200$ or more. As by paying 200$ less, then am5 or longevity of ddr5 or platform does not matter.
It doesn't even matter between ZEN3/ZEN4 to Alder Lake/Raptor Lake CPUs you have or decide to go with if you're focusing on Graphic Resolution (i.e. 4K, 1440p, 1080p), because its not the CPU that will matter there, its the Graphic card. *1080p* - GTX 10 series / _1080Ti if you not concerned about Ray-Tracing_ ,otherwise pickup a *RTX 20* series card 4 RT. *1440p* - 2080 Ti or RTX 30 Series *4K* - RTX 3090/3090 Ti or if you desire more than 100FPS at 4K then pick up the latest RTX 40 series. NVIDIA GPU performance equivalent to AMD 1080p - _for Non-RT_ , 1080Ti = RX 5700XT _for RT_ RTX 2080 = 6650XT 1440p - 2080Ti / RTX 3070/Ti = RX 6700XT / 6800 / 6800 XT / 6900XT 4K - RTX 3080 / 3090 = RX 6950XT
I will also add that list is biased into my thinking that if you are gaming at above 1080p resolution, you probably care about ray-tracing. So that is why I don't mention non-RT on the higher than 1080p res.
@@vh9network Obviously we are talking about different things. I am talking about CPU limited performance and you are talking about GPU limited performance. If you are using anything above 3080 and play latest games below 4K, you are going to be limited by CPU too. Otherwise even at 4K in simulation games, mmo and other cpu single core, plus cache intensive games or memory you are going to be limited by CPU. So CPU matters for smoothness of the gameplay too. There is a massive gap between Zen 3 vs Zen3D or Intel 13Gen in those scenarios. Obviously in AAA games such scenarios are rare, but MMO, simulation and such genres are as popular. Unless you are willing to argue that people only play AAA games and then sure CPU does not matter. So those specific distinctions matter. You won't get as smooth experience with a 5600 or 12400 in a MSFS 2020 or MMOs as with 5800x3d even at 4K with a 1080 or 2060 or 3060Ti.
@@KryssN1 I partially agree with what you wrote there but those games that are CPU limited are outliers, and should not be regarded for your CPU purchase since they don't make up the bulk of PC games. I would add that if you are shopping for a ZEN3, the 5600X is only $150 and the top ZEN3 the 5800X3D is $330 now, why even look at a non-X bottom ZEN3, you would be shooting yourself in the foot cruising for low end ZEN3, when the mid and top tier can be bought for cheap. Same with Alder Lake, the 12400F is not a bad CPU either, I don't buy that this CPU will under perform a 1080, 2060 or 3060Ti. It's a 12600K minus e-Cores.
7700 non X should be really nice as AM5 motherboard prices steadily drop, I do hope DDR5 also follows. By the time Zen 5 is announced, AM5 should be a great value platform by then.
Great breakdown of best options for each price range. Would also be interesting for each cpu tier what gpu limit there will be. For example the 13700/7700 would not bottle neck a 4080/4090 but I guess those cheaper ones might cause a bottleneck somewhere?
Can't really do that since every game and situation is different. You could pair an i3 12100 with a 3080 if you plan to exclusively play at 4k max. Its better judge by the limits of what you need to do.
If you watch the 4090 review it does actually bottleneck the current cpu’s. Not in every game and not at every resolution but it does bottleneck. The 4090 is an absolute animal
The R5 5600 also has a "lower" price than the $130 since you can also get the Uncharted game with AMD's current event going on. Sell for/save ~$30-40 with that. Well worth.
I don't think you can sell it as you don't get a key for the game itself. You have to redeem it through AMD's website which gives you a utility that checks your hardware (making sure you actually have a Ryzen CPU) and then you gotta log into Steam through AMD's website which will activate the game on your account. I mean technically you could still sell it but only to someone willing to provide their login information or someone who already has Ryzen and hasn't redeemed one of these codes for it.
Please do a CPU scaling benchmark on Warzone 2.0, it seems heavily single core dependent, so it "reacts" to a generation of CPU core, rather that the model in particular, a nice benchmark will be Ryzen 1600x, 3600x, 5600x, 7600x, and Intel equivalents, for reference a Ryzen 3600 can give around ~100 fps, while on 50% cpu usage
I have 9900k and 4090 upgraded from 2080. I will upgrade my monitor from 2560x1080 to 4k. 4090 will still bottleneck but the monitor upgrade will give me the most. Currently thinking of buying the 42 inch Asus oled 4k 144hz monitor or the 32 inch Neo g8
RTX 4090 gets less than 30 FPS on average at 4K Ultra settings with RT Enabled. No GPU will be able to keep up with the latest games at 4K. Do your wallet a favour and stick to 1440p or ultrawide.
@@gurjindersingh3843 It can with DLSS. But i can also get the Alienware 3423DW. Ultrawide 3440x1440p might be the reasonable upgrade after my current ultrawide benq xr3501 2560x1080p
@@freazyknight I just picked up the Alienware recently as it has a good few discounts/cashback available in the UK. It's a fantastic monitor and gives a good experience with the aspect ratio while not being so hard to drive compared to 4k. I find having DLDSR with my 3080 can work really well if the game engine runs well. Currently have a 3080 paired with an 8700k and thinking of getting a 13600k and then waiting to see how the new AMD GPUs are.
Of course I’ll comment about my 5800x3D+B550m upgrade from b450m+3600. Every shooter games I play is now averaging +120 FPS with almost no FPS drops! 😏
With both the 5800x3d and the 5900x within ~$10 of each other, I decided to go for the 5900 as an upgrade for my 3600 especially since I'm gaming at 1440p high quality settings on a 3080.
I just bought a Ryzen 7 5700X for $210CAD (roughly $156USD) brand new from Amazon. I feel at that price, it's clearly the price-to-performance king at that price bracket.
Thanks its always great to hear your personal view over charts and specs as your view based on your knowledge and working with the cpu's Im still in 2 minds but hopping the AMD 7000's 3DX will be way to go
The 5800x3d is still available for $340 on Walmart's site where I live. I also see it listed for new on ebay from verified sellers for the $330. Would it be worth it then?
I'm buying next week a new PC build with AMD R5 5500. At stock speed its about 15% slower than 5600x but the 5500 is running at 4.2Ghz so, if i overclock it will be very close to the more expensive 5600/5600x. there are no benchmarks comparing overclocked 5500 vs stock 5600x. Anyways if its slower a bit, i don't mind. It will be a budget PC, for 550Euro plus 180Euro for a 1660ti used on ebay. Rest of the PC will have 32gb ram, and 2tb M.2 nvme ssd, Inter-Tech IM-1 Pocket micro atx case.
>says it's budget PC >spends money on 32GB RAM and a 2TB SSD for some reason >gets a 1660 Ti and a R5 5500, presumably to make it fit into budget This is... a really poor way of spending your money, unless you have a real reason you need 32GB RAM and 2TB SSD
I think it great way of spending money. I need the 32gb ram since 16 gb is on edge with my requirements, a game open and lots of web tabs on chrome, fusion 360 app. I need the 2tb ssd, its the slowest nvme, but i need mostly for games. who want to delete games, and then realize that you have to downloaded first to play it every once in a while. Do i have enough money for a 4090 and 13900k, I have. do i need it. I don't.
I just build a i3-1200f system for a firend's son. Upgraded his A10-7850K / R7 270. I had some DDR5 around that I had upgraded from on my main system, so it got 32Gb of DDR5-5200MHz. Had a 2Tb SSD (970 EVO) for him too. Picked up that ASRock Z790M Riptide board it was $155 and is a nice board. Picked up an Intel Arc A380 for it for $130, a little Antec NX200M case for $50 (had a PSU around too and a couple fans for the case) so all told was under $400 and a huge upgrade for him.
Why Intel Arc A380? That's just asking for trouble at this point. That's an unfinished product. You would be better off getting a used card for $100 from AMD or Nvidia with better drivers and better game support across the board.
If you are very budget constrained, Intel 10th i3 makes some sense. Last I checked motherboards were $50 less and platform difference to 12th amounted to $70 or more. Base was like $190 for 10105f+RAM+Board. If you have older DDR4, I think it makes less sense to go 12100F and better keep the RAM + board difference for something else down the line. Or you can go with AM4 also and have better over clocking for the same price.
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Check out the Starlink deal here: www.starlink.com/?referral=RC-1131-49662-4&AusKVLHardwareUnboxed
Is this the link you're gaming on for gaming unboxed ?
Perfect timing on this sort of video. This will help a lot of people around me right about now.
Can you make a video about "Recommended RAM clock speed that suits the CPU"?
@@Winnetou17 I'm amazed they did this now when people are finally coming round to what an insufferable fraud Elon Musk is. Not surprised Australia of all places is where you can get some legit Starlink value, though.
weird to see spx starlink sponsored but this seeing it first and gratefully use irl by steve!
bruh the thumbnail 😭
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Fookin laser beams
SILENCE! Glorified Sand!
Omae Wa Mo Shindeiru
Goofy ahh 😭💀😂
Got myself a 5600 and i must say, coming from a 1500X this CPU is a MASSIVE upgrade, in some cases offering double the performance i was getting previously, which is just amazing. Really great option, considering i could still use it on my B450 motherboard after 4 entire generations. AM4 is simply amazing!
what is your gpu?
@@GR3AP RX 480
@@X_irtz You must be playing some seriously CPU-bound games if you're still CPU-bottlenecked with that GPU.
@@ShawFujikawa Seriously CPU-bound games definitely exist (Minecraft is a prime example) and will still show big improvements on older GPU's. I've seen it happen myself.
That's similar to the upgrade I want to make. I have a 2400G that I want to upgrade to a 5600. The 1500X and 2400G are basically the same in terms of cpu performance, the 2400G just has an iGPU. I just need to get a discreet GPU first and I've got my eyes on NAVI33.
Can't wait to hear how things hash out for the 3D V-Cache CPUs stack up against these guys
Will be a bloodbath.
Can't wait for amd to start their big core, small core system
should be better, in games that love cpu cache
Wrong, the 13900KS will destroy it, the 3D-vcache will turn into just worthless vcache CPU'S for AMD,
AMD'S reign is over its time to put the crown on the new KING which is intel
@@lldjslim 🤡 🤣
Had 2600x, upgraded to 5700x, still on the same old b450 board. Runs flawlessly, amazing performance, barely breaks a sweat on load, let alone games.
Thanks for putting together another fantastic roundup inclusive of us budget and mainstream plebs!
Got a 5800X for 200USD and it's been fantastic upgrading from an R5 2600 without having to change motherboard or RAM. Truly nothing beats living near a Microcenter with their ridiculous sales.
Did that exact swap last weekend. Super happy with my upgrade. 2600x treated me very well and is being reused in another build well so I don't feel to bad swapping the old gal of for that 5800x.
@@quagmirefx Just went from a 2600x to a 5800X3D yesterday and oh boy, I had no idea how much performance I stood to gain! Got my old 2600x for $120 back in 2019 for a $650 budget build, so absolutely no regrets, and I'll be sticking with AMD into the future if they can support AM5 like they have AM4.
save got it for $215 after taxes at Micro Center runs so much more efficiently than my 3800X
I hear that. I live in the Bronx and the Yonkers Microcenter is only a hop, skip and jump away. Got myself a 5800X for $199 and my son picked up a laptop yesterday.
My closest Microcenter is 6 hours away...
This is the first time I’ve seen a Starlink sponsorship. I’ve been using Starlink myself since February, and it is absolutely brilliant. There are a few issues here and there but far less than we were having with BT’s 5Mbps Copper.
I was somewhat surprised to hear the sponsorship section was brought to us by SpaceX!
I'd kind of tuned out at that point and was like, what!?! Caught me by surprise 😅
What about gaming ping ?
@@youssefakenkar459 I've seen numbers like 20ms to 50ms typically. These are low orbit satellites, around 500-ish miles, instead of the usual ones that are about 30,000 miles higher than that.
@@youssefakenkar459 Pings are more likely low because of your local setup, even using a foreign SIM card to connect to mobile internet through the other side of the worlds copper networks gives decent pings if your local setup is correct.
For instance, I use 4G 10MB internet for gaming and during the night get better speeds than my home 50MB Fibre connection during the day! The thing that affects ping times is usually your router setup and then your Windows firewall setup.
Courtesy of US tax payers feeding Elon money for his pet projects.. The government should have just created a far superior version of starlink.
Congrats on the Starlink sponsorship. I have the service for my adventure van and I love it.
i bought my friends old 3800x after he bought a 5800x3d. im very happy with it paired with 2060 super and 16gb ram its perfoming very well
5800x3D is a better option that some of these DDR5 platforms
*_YES_* , now this is the tech content I like to see. Can't wait for the AM5 motherboard reviews and recommendations. Thank you.
np
Pricing on all am5 boards is still ass. Better wait.
@@crylune thanks 🙏
If rumors on the upcoming X3D chips are true, there is little reason to migrate to AM5 anytime soon.
You are not the real heroes...
Great video Steve. I love the way you showcased the CPUs using your action figures - very creative!
Fun one, AMD AM5 is winning at my work. We've had compatibility issues with intel chips with our older software while AMD works fine. My AMD hating system admin is even on board now haha.
just curious what kinda work do you guys do?
Same if you work with vms and docker don’t get a cpu with e-cores it’ll make your brain hurt.
true, had 2 intels ransomwared, nowadays always go amd for work/important pcs
@@iikatinggangsengii2471 can you elaborate? how did the CPU cuase your PC to get a ransomware?
@@MuhammadHosny0 Could be connected to all the security holes, don't know if it's relevant with the newest CPUs anymore, but with the older generations there was huge amount of problems.
I installed Starlink at my Grandmother and Aunts house, it's incredible. Their max DSL speed before was 2mbps down and 256kbps up. Felt like it was 1999.
Ouch man, that was rough.
Would love to see an AM4 upgrade analysis video comparing AM4 CPUs with budget/midrange GPU. We all know that 5800X3D provides substantial gains when using monster GPUs like RTX4900, but are the gains still there if you have like a RX 6700 or RTX3060 or that class of GPU (or the new models when released). For example, can an R5-3600 still keep up with those newer mid-range GPUs, or is it now becoming the bottleneck?
I saw a noticeable Improvement playing dota 2 at 1080p going from my 3600 to 5800x3d with my 1060 gb. Unless you're gaming at 4k and are entirely gpu bottlenecked you should see some improvement.
I agree but i have a 3400g with an rx 6700 and in most games i have about 50% utilization on both,and i bought a 3600 and the bottleneck was still pretty medium to high,so i bought a 5600 and the games were running lot smoother,i think the 5 5600/x are the best budget cpus
@@cristi5900 Got a soft spot for the 5500 both Ryzen and Radeon!
The 5800X3D currently starts at £355 in the UK. The 5900X is £5 cheaper if you want something stronger at productivity but respectable at gaming.
You can get used 5800x s for £200 ish, Which is a nice Value sweetspot
I wish there would of been more motherboard coverage, but I understand that it takes time to cover so many properly. On the other hand being a techy I kinda like doing the research myself and have figured out what board to get.
Thank you for all the CPU and GPU coverage you do Steve!
I'll be upgrading to a 7700X from my 10 year old i7-3770K LOL. This is gonna be goooood. 😂
I’d go for a 13700k + z690 instead
Wow i too jumped from an 3770 to an 10700k so 4 cores to 8 cores clocked near 5ghz
Negligible upgrade tbh
Same here! 7700x for the win!
I’m waiting for the 33700k
Went from a 3700x to a 5600x last year and it was totally worth it, such a noticeable bump.
We need motherboard reviews more than CPU or GPU. It’s really hard to figure out what motherboard is best for me. CPU and GPU is easy to make decision on.
We're working on it, but that testing takes time.
Buildzoid's rambles over on Actually Hardcore Overclocking can give some insight in the meantime.
I did catch a sale at my local MicroCenter and picked up the 13700K for $380 USD. That made it cheaper than the 7700X, and even though I mostly want it for gaming, the productivity boost is definitely worth it for me. They also have an extra $20 discount if purchased with an eligible mobo and I’m building a full new rig so I pulled the trigger. Haven’t put it all together yet so we’ll see how it performs in my real world use. 🤞🏼
I need me a MicroCenter near me :(
Microcenter has a deal for the 7700x where you get 32GB DDR5 6000 ram for free plus $50 off a motherboard. All in for mobo ram and cpu is only $549 which is pretty insane.
@@JoshMillerDrums_ Good thing MicroCenter has a 15 day return policy on CPUs and motherboards 😂 Since my build is going to be mostly for gaming, the savings and platform longevity make it worth it.
@@JoshMillerDrums_ I actually did trade my stuff in for the free RAM deal. For anyone else interested, it’s a kit of GSkill Flare 32GB (2x16GB) 6000 CL 30. So it’s actually a pretty good kit. Sadly, no RGB if that matters to some.
@@RolloC84 where can I see this deal?
I'm currently making a whole new PC build and, having been a life-long Intel-user, I've decided to go with the Ryzen 7700X. I only use my PC for gaming and even though the 13700K probably does deliver slightly better price/performance (even with DDR5) the upgradability of the AM5 platform won me over. Last time I bought a MoBo/CPU I effectively locked myself out of any way to upgrade but this time around I'd like to make a setup which can conceivably last a long time with just a GPU upgrade and maybe a CPU upgrade in 4-6 years. AM5 will be around for a few generations, I'm getting DDR5 RAM and a 1TB NVMe SSD as my boot drive (with enough space for a couple of high-priority games).
Now I'll just have to see what the AMD 7000 series card end up costing in my region. Might have to go full Team Red for the first time ever.
I'm thinking of going same route next year, so would be interesting to hear your experience going from intel to AMD.
Now at the insane high electricity prices AMD quickly makes more sense. Intel will use on average about 50W more for gaming, 100W for productivity, with 2h gaming 2h productivity per day, that makes over 100KWh per year, and in general higher power usage on the CPU increases mobo power usage too. Here it would mean at least 50€ more on electricity per year on the current prices and sadly price is just going up.
Also with AMD I probably would power limit it to 90W as you get almost the same performance while cutting at least third of the power away.
@@Ureroll It's more complex than that, and depends so much on the individual and his current and potential future use cases.
I doubt the future mobos are really getting anything worthwhile compared to current AM5 boards. Only possibility is that DDR5 speeds are going to get higher and the cheaper boards cannot support those.
But otherwise you are not going to need DDR6, better PCIe, or more robust power delivery etc.
I would say AM5 is the best time for early adaption, much better than AM4 for sure.
I just finished building the same system yesterday for the exact same reasons! I had been rocking a 10600k and with some of the new games being more CPU intensive I was bottlenecking quite a bit. The 7700x is a beast and gave me a huge boost in games like Spiderman remastered. Enjoy your system!!
@@Ureroll What you're saying makes sense, but not for my situation. If you have some existing hardware that you want too keep, like good DDR4 RAM, then you suggestion of going with the 13700K makes sense. However, my current RAM is 16GB of DDR3 3000hz. Keeping it on a new system doesn't make sense. The only part I'm keeping from my current build are the storage units, so I might as well invest in a new setup that can conceivably last for a while. Changing the motherboard is a pain that I'd rather not go through again for some time.
If I had some really good DDR4 RAM that I bought recently then I might have gone with the 13700K, but I don't. And thus, the possibility to keep the motherboard for a long time is more important for me right now.
Microcenter has great deals on CPU/MOBO combos. Grabbed the 12700k with Asus Z690 Tuf Gaming for $350 and additional 5% off w store card 🥵
Thanks to the i3 12100, 4 core/8 threads have never been much more desirable. Definitely worth the entry or simply budget builds for gaming. You're not missing much going for that CPU.
Yea I have a 12100F since 2022 february and so far its been all good, does everything I need it for.
Pretty much only play single player games and not a power/multi
task user.
No plans of upgrading further than a locked i 5 so I went with a more affordable B660 board, should handle a 12400 or a 13400 later down the line if I decide to upgrade but for now its not needed.
Currently I have it paired with a RTX 3060 Ti and it works well with that little i 3.
Prices are also different where I live, like everything is 30-40$ more expensive than whats listed in this video but thats just the way around here.:P
@@daelionmr4782 nice. Very good generational upgrade. Hopefully it's future successor will have some nice improvements that matches it's price to performance too.
@@joelconolly5574 13100F is coming but basically it is 12100F + 200 MHz nothing else
@@topg2820 if performance gains are higher without too many increase in power, I think it'll be a banger.
Except in newer and upcoming games.
6 cores 12 threads is the minimum for a decent gaming experience.
Super informative. I really appreciate the depth
To use ddr4 3600 on the 12100, you'd need a B or Z series board. Those seeking the cheapest route will probably opt for H610. Otherwise, their max is 3200 speed.
This is the first time I've seen a Starlink ad, pretty interesting. One of very few ads I actually watched through.
I'm surprised at the glossing over the 5800X3D. That thing is a beast if you're already on AM4 and with a bit of patience can definitely be found closer to 300!
11:00 did you watch the video?
@@BusAlexey Yes, only talking for 20 seconds about it is what I consider "glossing over" 🤷♂
Because this more like a guide for people who want to purchase new system, if you want to upgrade but still stick with your platform, the obvious option is just buying whatever is the best CPU on that platform, what more need to say about that. And everybody already know 5800x3D is a beast even neck and neck with new gen CPU.
Yep, if already on AM4 the 5800X3D should be obvious. But for new system builders there's little point getting it. Especially at $400+.
They could of titled this video better. It is a new system build video and the 5800X3D is last gen
With all the chaos and sadness in the world, it’s good to see good people like Steve happy and healthy
I think the 5700x was $218 USD just a few hours ago on Amazon. Price is all over the place but I think it's best value in 200-250 range
Picked up mine for $200 on Newegg last month
You can get 5800X for $200 at Micro Center right now. They had that price at least for the last 10 days.
this already takes lots of work i appreciate the effort to prevent the larger corporations from taking advantage of consumers with all these horrible naming schemes and tricky marketing tricks
13600K is $300 on Amazon and it was a nice upgrade from my previous 8700K.
I missed hardcoded subtitles, definitely when you started rattling thru all CPUs near the end of the video. Difficult accent for small portion of you viewers probably. Thank you for vid!
Amazon (and Newegg) had a combo with $100 off if you buy the 7950x with an Asus Crosshair X670E Hero together, so I picked that up. This build might get a 7900XTX too.
What do you do for a living?
great choice. I'll pick up that combo too when the 7900xtx come out.
@@thefreemonk6938 What do I do for a living? These days nothing, as I’m on long term disability because I have stage 4 metastatic cancer. Yay. But before that I worked as a Site Reliability Engineer (SRE) for a major tech company. In addition to base compensation we received annual bonuses in stock RSUs, and over the decade+ that I worked there the stock exploded.
@@asdf51501 Sorry to hear that dude, wishing you the best.
recently i bought 5700X for my 5 years old B350 mobo. My way to go for last upgrade for AM4
I bought a 58003DX for 300 usd. Insane price, as it beats EVERYTHING in gaming on high resolution.
Not to mention, DDR4 and AM4 boards are really cheap right now.
not sure what you mean by "high resolution" , because at 1440P or 4k, all these new CPUs are the same as games are GPU bound (RTX 3000 series).
@@DeepteshLovesTECH At 4k, the 4090 has the capacity to CPU bottleneck in some games. We are at that point with GPUs, so the 5800X3D might just have several more generations of life in it as a serious budget king that punches well above its weight for the price, even if it's likely to be left behind by the 7000-series 3D V-cache models.
except 5600x, 7600x, 7700x, 5700x, 5800x, i5 13600k, i5 12600, and 20 other cpus because you are 99% gpu bottlenecked on high resolution, except on games you get 100-200 fps already anyways (or competitive games, where you get 300-600 fps...)
But it doesn't beat everything... 12900KS and 13900k beat it. Don't spread misinformation
It doesn't beats everything but it is bang for the buck.
sweet sponsor its great to see you guys growing /i love your content
Hey Steve! when you have a bit of time off would be great to see some Ultrawide benchmarks, maybe just one video to be able to compare results with 16:9 and see what to expect in term of fps
Take 4k and 1440p results and split the difference. Close enough.
@@HalenShredder i'm interested in 2560x1080p results, it should be around 12% slower on average than 1920x1080p when GPU bound, but i'd love a dedicated video from the best youtube channel around :p
@@chemicalbuz No, how do you come up with 12%. It's 33% more pixels, so you should lose around 25% performance. 1440p is 83% more pixels than 1080p, so going with the difference between the 1080p and 1440p performance and then leaning more to the 1080p value is a good indication.
@@Psi-Storm i come up with 12% watching other reviews and comparison. It's not just about pixel count, that's why i'm asking for proper benchmarks.
Great roundup, thanks!
The i5-13600K (and also the old 12600K) reminds me of the R5 3600 when people were amazed by the raw value that was brought about by Zen 2. The 3600 was recommended by many for budget workstation purposes!
Now the 13600K exists which keeps up with a 5900X and beats the 5800X/5800X3D/7700X in productivity! Gaming is the same for all, if we don't consider the hypothetical "gaming with a 4K capable GPU at 1080p" situation.
C'mon AMD needs to up the core count again, across the board! Bring back 24 and 32 core Ryzen 9s as well!
Ryzen 9 was always 12 and 16 cores. 24 and 32 was reserved for consumer Thredripper, which AMD brutally killed its user base over two generations (R.I.P. X399 & TRX40 owner, myself included)
I personally think the 7950X holds its own. It might be edged out by the 13900K in productivity but I also think that is happening due to extreme power draw that is happening with the higher core count Raptor Lake platform in general due to each P-Core and E-core getting a bigger base/boost clock increase than even Alder Lake which was substantial. Downside is you need exotic cooling to properly use Intel's Core i9 platform.
That 13600k is a beast 💪🏽
i had a r5-1600 that served me well for 5 years
bought a 3700x and dropped it in the old b350 board, and it runs like a charm even on 2400mhz ram lol, it's way less sensitive to memory timings with the uncore and double the amount of l3 cache
28% quicker single threading, and well into the 40% for all out multithreading compared to the old one, nice little drop in replacement for the old am4 :D
Hi. Do you know which of these CPUs will perform better in machine learning and data science tasks, no need to say I would use a Nvidia GPU like 3070 besides the cpu, but I wanna choose an appropriate cpu for these types of tasks. These are my choices:
1. 5900X :$250
2. 13600KF :$400
3. a little bit pricey one (13700KF: $500)
@@maxit1082 I think only 13th gen and Ryzen 7000 have some AI acceleration features.
Not sure.
A 5900X for 250 usd?! Damn!
I wish there was the same guide for GPUs or even a guide for possible rigs from cheap to top tier
The biggest advantage (for me, anyway) is that going Intel for 12th or 13th Gen means "upgrading" to Win11 to get the most out of it. For that alone, AMD wins me over for my next upgrade.
Got the 5900x coming from the 3800x for around $350 earlier this year! Won’t need another cpu for a few years. Especially if I’m playing in 1440p. 👍
5800X3D is around 350,- € in Europe for some time now. Still some pretty good bang for the buck imho.
Thanks for covering. I ended up upgrading storage this past month but will likely do CPU next
I'm looking at a 5900x for an all rounder. But I'm not sure if I will regret it after. Maybe I will wait a bit longer to upgrade, and see if there is a better deal or option.
5800x3d for 309$ at micro center last week couldn't ask for more this will last me a few more years
If gaming is all you need, then the value and performance of a 5600 on AM4 is pretty insane right now, with a few exceptions like PS3 emulation using AVX-512, its heavily diminishing returns on price:performance above that.
You know you can play your Steam games using an AppleTV at low-med settings 1080p and it's absolutely fine to play. And if you're looking to emulate PS3 then you're better off going with Intel + igpu, and booting into Batocera. Even old 4 core CPUs with a decent igpu will breeze through PS3 stuff.
That being said the 7000 series are looking pretty tasty, I might just wait on that platform since it will do everything perfectly :)
Clement, that is especially true if one bags a cheap used mbd like an MSI B450 Tomahawk Max II.
@@mapesdhs597 Careful about the bios update though
@@TheAdamAdy I didn't have a problem with mine.
@@mapesdhs597 Just a heads up for others, as older mobos need a BIOS update for newer Ryzens to work
I’m waiting for Zen 4 3D. Great vid tho!
went from a 9700k to a 13700k and the difference in games is shocking. also, the amount of heat the 13700k spews out of my aio is also crazy. my cat is happy though now as she loves laying ontop my pc
Does I7 10700 processor also heats up very much? Can a air Cpu cooler used onit?
@@zhuzhu9599 a 10700 can definitely be air cooled. just use a fairly decent air cooler. cooler master or noctua are good.
I have an i7 8700K, which is hexacore and can ramp up to 5GHz and a GTX 1080 ti. Its old, but man does it still run everything well. I've only struggled with Cyberpunk at 1440p, getting it to to avg 61 FPS, but the anti aliasing shits on the graphics, which is probably only amendable by having Cyberpunk run at 120+ FPS. I miss Cyberpunk 1.0 tbh because I think they hadn't forced sharpening on the game and it looked better to me, with less input lag too and I was one of the fortunates to not have any bugs over 200 hours.
I went with a 5500/6600 amd for my son. it was a big upgrade for him from a 1300x and 1650. But the upgrade path was super cheap that way.
Those two are also very evenly matched, and he can play every title at 1080p High or Ultra just fine.
@@andersjjensen it was a big contrast for him, he basically was playing on his first computer with a 1650 i got used cheap. He's a teenager now.. you know, so he went from a 4c to a 6c and zen 1 to zen 3. and got a new 6600 at the same time so.. yeah, his monitor actually maxes out (my first 144hz 1080p hand me down) in some games. Im thinking maybe get him a 3600 cl16 32gb ram kit. Maybe trident z so he can have his first LED hardware.
@@dontsupportrats4089 why buy a gen3 only cpu when the 5600 was a few bucks more and gen4. The very limited 8x 6600 gen4 card needs gen4 just to break even with old gen3 16x standard. It was a stupid move to make budget cards on a 8x Gen4 bus requiring budget minded shoppers to buy gen4 hardware simply to have the same bandwidth available to the old 16x gen3. A big jump and totally different cpu the 5600 is over the 5500. Hopefully you already had a old gen3 board so it doesn’t matter as much.
@@45eno do you comprehend the difference of going from a 1300x to a 5500? You are confusing the 6600 with the 6500.
I upgraded a PC I built 7 years ago for my 12 year old, just how much money do you think its worth for "future" proofing?
I got 4 kids that all game, all you nuts think everyone needs a 13900k and 4090 to play 1080p.
Welcome to the real world where kids can game on an Xbox Series S for 300 bucks. Upgrades don't exceed that price ceiling in my house unless you earn the money yourself.
He has been gaming on it nearly a year now. Happily. And that makes me happy with the purchase.
@@dontsupportrats4089 you missed my point entirely and go to name calling. I’m not a nut that feels people need top of the line. I have 9x AM4 budget builds in the house 6 of which with 6600xt’s for kids and media PCs. No I didn’t get it confused with a 6500. This just shows you are lacking understanding about these parts. If you already had a gen3 board then the 5500 is a ok choice as you can’t get gen4 spec anyway. But if you happen to be on a b550/570 board then the 5500 was a terrible pairing of hardware as you missed out on letting this 8x not 16x card have full bandwidth which it is much more needy at 8x then even a 5600xt that is 16x at gen3. I was saying it was also terrible for AMD to sell these budget minded cards with 8x as many people would being pairing them with older or more budget focus parts.
I bought an i7 13700k for 500 euros in Italy, great price for us, INSANELY AMAZING cpu, it is really a fantastic upgrade from my old i7 7800x. And in the upgrade I kept my 64 gb ddr4 3200mhz cl 16, which is still great , since it is corsair dominator with great overclock room, and since ddr5 isn't that great of an upgrade I am super happy. What do you think guys ?
465€ here in Germany
@Zawisza Czarny great price, but in Europe we always have a bit more of cost, which is fine considering all the added cost that vendors have
@@ImperatorBaldo yes, when it launched the price was 539€ 😆
Now it’s already discounted..
I went with the 13600k for 373€ playing on 1440p so the cpu is more than enough for many years to come + have it oc’d to 5,4ghz on a strix z790-f board.
But prices for gpus are still ridiculous over here 🤦🏼♂️ 3080 tuf 850€ 😒
DDR5 is quite a big upgrade for your cpu actually, but very expensive right now. So perhaps not worth it. Maybe in 1/2 years when the ddr5 prices are better.
@@zawiszaczarny1749 the i5 13600k is actually the best cpu on the world right now, considering performance-price-wattage
I normally use sponsorblock to skip all these sponsor ads but this one is so special, I had to temporarily cancel the skip to satisfy my curiosity. I have never seen a Starlink sponsorship before on basically any channel.
I bought 5600X + B550 TUF + 16GB 3600MHz CL16 for $305 just two weeks ago. I think I made a good deal.
You have the same setup I am thinking about buying. 5600 + B550 TUF. Extremely good price/perfomance ratio
@@TheAdamAdy yup, I'm happy with it. :))
Another awesome video, showing what is out there, and the best way for each specific application.
Thanks a lot :)
H610 boards are a better choice than b660 boards for i3 12100F or 12400F cuz they're more budget friendly for entry level gaming systems with a rx6600 or a 1660ti
Great Video as Always Steve , waiting on those Motherboards Comparision & Coolers Comparision Videos.
The 5800X3D is the clear winner if you already got a AM4 system. Saving so much money with yet a close enough performance! DDR5 is still too early to get imho, we already got 7200 Mhz to buy so it feels it's best to let it mature abit more before going for that.
Fantastic and thorough video, the best in fact, but I think most people should wait until after the new year and see how prices change if you can wait. 16:29 made this comment before I got to this part of the video. 😅
I picked up a new 5700x for $165 USD from a local retailer. Was too good to pass up!
Thanks, Steve! As always a really well presented and researched video! Good to hear your recommendations.
Would love to also include the cpu cooler options for each tier since Intel 13th gen and Ryzen 7000 are pretty toasty
Everything From a assassin 3 as it's one of the only air coolers that Can do that and from a 240 aio upwards
Thanks for the great summary for those shopping for the holiday.
Wil Intel have a refresh or answer to AMD's 3D V Cache models early next year? If not surely they will be left behind in gaming performance?
I love my 5800x3d. I can’t wait to see how AMD’s next gen 3D vcache chip will perform!
no, answer will be the 14th gen
they prob wait ddr5 to become std
i mean 13100 and 13400 will be strong anyways price/perf wise
so happy I got the 58003d last night with the game bundle for $330 off newegg it is gone now!
11:05 Have to disagree. If you play mmos, the extra cache is gonna give you a good chunk of fps on your 1% lows, depending on what you're upgrading from. And in some mmo's, they're less 1% lows and more 10% lows.
If you have AM4, there's no other choice, Intel can't compete with the 5800x3d. I would personally wait if you don't have AM4 and just upgrade when they launch the 7X00x3d, as pricing should have come down by then on mobo/ram. Cache is King.
Maybe starlink in Australia is different... but here in NA shit NEVER worked as described, Constant speed decreases, and upload was never stable enough for streaming
5800X3D is the best gaming CPU I owned in years.
Quite cool to be sponsored by Spacex, nice story as well.
Where is Ryzen 7 5800x3d ? This is the best for now!
He mentioned it
I would love to see a video using the existing value comparison benchmarks across a wide range of markets. Here in australia for example the 7600X is effectively in a different price class to the 13600K when total system cost is considered.
too many markets out there. i think it would be unreasonable to expect any one channel to attempt such a task as you would want more intimate knowledge of those local markets than just googling some prices and slapping it in a spreadsheet.
Well I'm glad this video came along when it did as I want to build another system, for fun or maybe upgrade from my current 10th gen !!! Lots to digest in this video so a big ty to HUB !!!
Is it possible to include DAW (digital audio workstation) benchmarks in the future for the productivity area?
No one seems to do this yet music and audio industry in general is an integral part of creativity.
Thank you!
I went Intel CPU (13700K + 6800 XT for gaming) when I built mine, mostly for lower latency thanks to monolithic die rather than chiplet design. Wipes the floor in Adobe suite with my office machine at work (11700 + Quadro RTX 4000), though I don't do a ton of high-intensity video.
E-cores will free up all of the performance cores for intensive, realtime plugin processing, while also speeding up renders (especially with video, thanks to QuickSync).
If you're concerned about latency, consider investing in a better DAC/ADC, or audio interface (RME is king here) that will have lower-latency drivers for monitoring while tracking. You can test this on your own system with a free software called LatencyMon!
Also a huge plug for Puget Systems - while they tend to feature builds and guides that focus on video, CAD, etc. they do great write-ups on why they choose the parts they do for their prebuilts!
5800x3d is still a better overall gaming only focused CPU at under 4K resolution, over 13600K.
As it's equally as fast as 13600K overall, but it's faster in MMO and Simulation genres.
So in my opinion on DDR4 platform that is still best option, even if building new.
But only if the difference between ddr4 and ddr5 platform is 200$ or more.
As by paying 200$ less, then am5 or longevity of ddr5 or platform does not matter.
It doesn't even matter between ZEN3/ZEN4 to Alder Lake/Raptor Lake CPUs you have or decide to go with if you're focusing on Graphic Resolution (i.e. 4K, 1440p, 1080p), because its not the CPU that will matter there, its the Graphic card.
*1080p* - GTX 10 series / _1080Ti if you not concerned about Ray-Tracing_ ,otherwise pickup a *RTX 20* series card 4 RT.
*1440p* - 2080 Ti or RTX 30 Series
*4K* - RTX 3090/3090 Ti or if you desire more than 100FPS at 4K then pick up the latest RTX 40 series.
NVIDIA GPU performance equivalent to AMD
1080p - _for Non-RT_ , 1080Ti = RX 5700XT _for RT_ RTX 2080 = 6650XT
1440p - 2080Ti / RTX 3070/Ti = RX 6700XT / 6800 / 6800 XT / 6900XT
4K - RTX 3080 / 3090 = RX 6950XT
I will also add that list is biased into my thinking that if you are gaming at above 1080p resolution, you probably care about ray-tracing. So that is why I don't mention non-RT on the higher than 1080p res.
@@vh9network
Obviously we are talking about different things.
I am talking about CPU limited performance and you are talking about GPU limited performance.
If you are using anything above 3080 and play latest games below 4K, you are going to be limited by CPU too.
Otherwise even at 4K in simulation games, mmo and other cpu single core, plus cache intensive games or memory you are going to be limited by CPU.
So CPU matters for smoothness of the gameplay too.
There is a massive gap between Zen 3 vs Zen3D or Intel 13Gen in those scenarios.
Obviously in AAA games such scenarios are rare, but MMO, simulation and such genres are as popular.
Unless you are willing to argue that people only play AAA games and then sure CPU does not matter.
So those specific distinctions matter.
You won't get as smooth experience with a 5600 or 12400 in a MSFS 2020 or MMOs as with 5800x3d even at 4K with a 1080 or 2060 or 3060Ti.
@@vh9network While 6650 XT is closer to 2080 in Rasterisation it gets crushed in Ray tracing by 2070.
@@KryssN1 I partially agree with what you wrote there but those games that are CPU limited are outliers, and should not be regarded for your CPU purchase since they don't make up the bulk of PC games. I would add that if you are shopping for a ZEN3, the 5600X is only $150 and the top ZEN3 the 5800X3D is $330 now, why even look at a non-X bottom ZEN3, you would be shooting yourself in the foot cruising for low end ZEN3, when the mid and top tier can be bought for cheap. Same with Alder Lake, the 12400F is not a bad CPU either, I don't buy that this CPU will under perform a 1080, 2060 or 3060Ti. It's a 12600K minus e-Cores.
Didn't expect that starlink ad push for australia actually hit Hardware Unboxed
5800X3D AM4 upgrade is a no brainier 😁 Also the 5800X3D is a beast with MMO's
7700 non X should be really nice as AM5 motherboard prices steadily drop, I do hope DDR5 also follows.
By the time Zen 5 is announced, AM5 should be a great value platform by then.
Great breakdown of best options for each price range. Would also be interesting for each cpu tier what gpu limit there will be. For example the 13700/7700 would not bottle neck a 4080/4090 but I guess those cheaper ones might cause a bottleneck somewhere?
Can't really do that since every game and situation is different. You could pair an i3 12100 with a 3080 if you plan to exclusively play at 4k max.
Its better judge by the limits of what you need to do.
If you watch the 4090 review it does actually bottleneck the current cpu’s. Not in every game and not at every resolution but it does bottleneck. The 4090 is an absolute animal
The only thing that dosnt bottle neck a 4090 is a 13900k
@@CHICKENmcNUGGIESMydude even that bottlenecks for every other new game. Cant wait to see 7800x3d perf
The R5 5600 also has a "lower" price than the $130 since you can also get the Uncharted game with AMD's current event going on. Sell for/save ~$30-40 with that. Well worth.
I don't think you can sell it as you don't get a key for the game itself. You have to redeem it through AMD's website which gives you a utility that checks your hardware (making sure you actually have a Ryzen CPU) and then you gotta log into Steam through AMD's website which will activate the game on your account. I mean technically you could still sell it but only to someone willing to provide their login information or someone who already has Ryzen and hasn't redeemed one of these codes for it.
Just got one for $120 + free shipping and no tax
Please do a CPU scaling benchmark on Warzone 2.0, it seems heavily single core dependent, so it "reacts" to a generation of CPU core, rather that the model in particular, a nice benchmark will be Ryzen 1600x, 3600x, 5600x, 7600x, and Intel equivalents, for reference a Ryzen 3600 can give around ~100 fps, while on 50% cpu usage
this was so amazingly helpful
I have 9900k and 4090 upgraded from 2080. I will upgrade my monitor from 2560x1080 to 4k. 4090 will still bottleneck but the monitor upgrade will give me the most. Currently thinking of buying the 42 inch Asus oled 4k 144hz monitor or the 32 inch Neo g8
RTX 4090 gets less than 30 FPS on average at 4K Ultra settings with RT Enabled. No GPU will be able to keep up with the latest games at 4K. Do your wallet a favour and stick to 1440p or ultrawide.
@@gurjindersingh3843 It can with DLSS. But i can also get the Alienware 3423DW. Ultrawide 3440x1440p might be the reasonable upgrade after my current ultrawide benq xr3501 2560x1080p
@@freazyknight I just picked up the Alienware recently as it has a good few discounts/cashback available in the UK. It's a fantastic monitor and gives a good experience with the aspect ratio while not being so hard to drive compared to 4k. I find having DLDSR with my 3080 can work really well if the game engine runs well.
Currently have a 3080 paired with an 8700k and thinking of getting a 13600k and then waiting to see how the new AMD GPUs are.
Of course I’ll comment about my 5800x3D+B550m upgrade from b450m+3600. Every shooter games I play is now averaging +120 FPS with almost no FPS drops! 😏
With both the 5800x3d and the 5900x within ~$10 of each other, I decided to go for the 5900 as an upgrade for my 3600 especially since I'm gaming at 1440p high quality settings on a 3080.
5800X3D is better, HANDS down!
@@cdiff07 only in games
@@XCSme I replied to his comment because he said he was using it for gaming, LMAO, read what I replied to!
@@cdiff07 but not by enough on my 3080 to really matter on the games I play. Heck the PBO on a 5900x sometimes beats the x3d
@@albertko1 Who ever gave you that info is full of shit.
Thanks. Great video!
I just bought a Ryzen 7 5700X for $210CAD (roughly $156USD) brand new from Amazon. I feel at that price, it's clearly the price-to-performance king at that price bracket.
Woa thats really cheap
Thanks its always great to hear your personal view over charts and specs as your view based on your knowledge and working with the cpu's
Im still in 2 minds but hopping the AMD 7000's 3DX will be way to go
The 13 700k is going to be like the I7 7700k, the best bang for buck, productivity and gaming. Often beating the 7950x in most cases.
The 5800x3d is still available for $340 on Walmart's site where I live. I also see it listed for new on ebay from verified sellers for the $330. Would it be worth it then?
Great CPU, will last for years and many GPU upgrades 👍
I'm buying next week a new PC build with AMD R5 5500. At stock speed its about 15% slower than 5600x but the 5500 is running at 4.2Ghz so, if i overclock it will be very close to the more expensive 5600/5600x. there are no benchmarks comparing overclocked 5500 vs stock 5600x. Anyways if its slower a bit, i don't mind. It will be a budget PC, for 550Euro plus 180Euro for a 1660ti used on ebay. Rest of the PC will have 32gb ram, and 2tb M.2 nvme ssd, Inter-Tech IM-1 Pocket micro atx case.
Classic case of poor management of money
What is your motherboard, I am looking for ones with more than one M.2.
>says it's budget PC
>spends money on 32GB RAM and a 2TB SSD for some reason
>gets a 1660 Ti and a R5 5500, presumably to make it fit into budget
This is... a really poor way of spending your money, unless you have a real reason you need 32GB RAM and 2TB SSD
@@flintfrommother3gaming ASUS Prime B450M-K II, only one m.2
I think it great way of spending money. I need the 32gb ram since 16 gb is on edge with my requirements, a game open and lots of web tabs on chrome, fusion 360 app. I need the 2tb ssd, its the slowest nvme, but i need mostly for games. who want to delete games, and then realize that you have to downloaded first to play it every once in a while. Do i have enough money for a 4090 and 13900k, I have. do i need it. I don't.
Will you do a followup after CES ? I am mostly interested in the sweet spots between performance and watt usage.
bruh! Starlink sponsorship! Way to go HU!
Useless video 😂😂😂😂😂
Planning on 7700x for gaming if prices drop when vchache variabts arrive or just getting the vcache variant if the value is better
Buy 7600x now and replace it with 7700X3D in a year or two. That's what im going to do.
I just build a i3-1200f system for a firend's son. Upgraded his A10-7850K / R7 270. I had some DDR5 around that I had upgraded from on my main system, so it got 32Gb of DDR5-5200MHz. Had a 2Tb SSD (970 EVO) for him too. Picked up that ASRock Z790M Riptide board it was $155 and is a nice board. Picked up an Intel Arc A380 for it for $130, a little Antec NX200M case for $50 (had a PSU around too and a couple fans for the case) so all told was under $400 and a huge upgrade for him.
Why Intel Arc A380? That's just asking for trouble at this point. That's an unfinished product. You would be better off getting a used card for $100 from AMD or Nvidia with better drivers and better game support across the board.
The thumbnail always gets me, it’s getting better and better each episodes 😂
Didn't expect to see a StarLink sponsorship on YT
If you are very budget constrained, Intel 10th i3 makes some sense. Last I checked motherboards were $50 less and platform difference to 12th amounted to $70 or more. Base was like $190 for 10105f+RAM+Board.
If you have older DDR4, I think it makes less sense to go 12100F and better keep the RAM + board difference for something else down the line.
Or you can go with AM4 also and have better over clocking for the same price.
5700x now has the same price with 12400f in some country, this is total win for AMD.
I can't wait to see Zen4 X3D demolish Raptor Lake in gaming.