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@@UnathiGXyeah I do think the birds were important symbolism throughout. I love the thought of them being unattainable. Just the fact they could travel the world freely, while eren and them (who wanted to see the world) were confined to the walls was definitely a great parallel. It was really fun rewatching the series and noticing all the moments that birds were emphasized
@@mikasasgarden because...visuals would be: Birds -> then boom(some trajedy)...eg Berthold in titan form and the trailer for season 4 with Falco speaking/referring to a bird saying, "...it's dangerous here..." ie the battle field...etc etc
I agree, the ending just made sense, especially with humanity going into war again. Most of the hate for the ending came from that one armin line in the manga and from edgelord yaegerists who wanted eren to be the chad god titan to wipe out humanity. They didnt understand the character at all
Nort really man. Alot of hate also came from how rushed the ending is and how almost all the rules are forgotten with strange plot holes. I really think this ending genuinely ruins the writing and Eren's Character.
100% agree. The line in the manga was over focused on and Eren was super misunderstood. There’s a lot people missed I think. Appreciate your comment and support 🙏🏼
@@mikasasgarden He probably just means that the ending introduced a lot of important plot details which were never expanded upon nor explained further such as Ymir's relationship with MIkasa. I think it's fine if those things were left up for interpretation
I feel like being Eren is a lot of peoples fantasy. They are angry at the world and they think if they were just more powerful than everybody else combined they could live the life theyve always dreamed of. But violence can never be the answer to violence. Eren tried to solve a problem and never understood that the change had to come from within. The ending is realistic and Eren was trapped in his mind and like you said never free at all.
you might already know this, but Isayama has publicly said that "Bystander" is his favorite episode, and the best episode he was lucky enough to be a part of. Although I love that episode, he seemed to be giving a clue as to the importance of it...and I think you nailed it! Thank you for helping me finally fully understand its full significance. (Btw I love the rest of your video too! You have more relevant and deep ideas in a 12 minute video than most TH-cam videos express in an hour!)
I remember loving that episode so much and then finding out it was Isayama's favorite had me so excited haha Thanks so much for the kind words! I'm glad you liked the video. Appreciate you! 🙏🤍
I think I’m lucky I watched attack on titan as my first anime ever, I knew nothing about it besides the colab in FORTNITE. I saw no trailers knew no spoilers, no fan theories between seasons I went in completely blind. It took me 2 weeks to finish the entire series cuz I just couldn’t put it down. And I loved every second of it. The feeling of watching something new and blind at a show of this quality was insane. I had no idea people hated the ending. Until watching this vid. This is also the only vid I’ve seen if someone explaining AOT
Honestly that's a pretty awesome way to get introduced to the show and to anime in general! Watching something blind without being aware of where the community stands definitely is a blessing. I'm honored to be your first and only explanation video! Hope you enjoyed, really happy you came across it!
Kenny’s line is so important for understanding the ending “Everyone had to spend their lives drunk on something. Everyone was a slave to something… even him”
It was stupid AF I mean what's the meaning of delaying war and distraction why don't just finish one race he already killed 80%. Also ending literally ruined, absolutely butchered Eran's character he went from gigachad to stupid emotional crybaby in one episode. Saying I am stupid,I don't know what I am doing,I don't know why I killed 80% of humanity.
While I did enjoy hearing your analysis and do, in fact, agree that Eren was never actually free, there is still something else to consider. One of the biggest issues is that the ending makes the entire story deterministic. Predeterminism would actually be the most accurate term to describe the laws of aot, based on how it ended. I mean, Eren didn't just see visions of the future; he saw MEMORIES of the future, and that makes the future even more set in stone than just visions or premonitions. Plus, "he" was also able to change or influence events in the past. I put he in quotes there because Eren didn't technically change those events. Because "Eren" changed the past, those subsequent past events are what lead him to get to the point where "he" altered those events (thus making it predetermined). You also did bring up scenes that actually showed us that Eren had no say in the matter; he described times where he wanted to change the future memory he had seen, but he still ended up acting in a way that was conducive to the predetermined events. That's kind of why I didn't love the last few episodes of the series. But I did enjoy watching your video. 😊
But the pretederminism in aot doesn't work like is a greek myth. This isn't an Oedipus situation where Eren tries to change the future and that's what leads to it. Eren can't change the future he sees because deep down it's what he wanted. This is seen really well in the scene with Ramzi. He knows he will save the child at that moment, thinks that if he doesn't he will successfully change the future, and still saves him on his own volition. Because Eren is the type of person that cannot bear to see a child beat up and not do something while being capable of trampling that same child when his own freedom is on the line.
Aot is literally deterministic because of eren himself bro It’s because he can’t change Remember the ramzi scene ? There if he hadn’t saved him then future could have changed but eren saved him because deep down he couldn’t let him be beaten up by those people
Honestly it reminds me of a reflection of addiction. It's the weakness of humans that we can easily know and understand what would be the best choice, or at least a better choice, but we will still choose to dig ourselves in a deeper hole because, well, we are weak in some regards. Our habits/nature rule some of us.
It's... quite meta. As in, Eren's dangerously close to making commentary on being a fictional character devised by a man who draws comics for a living.
@@angelamengualcortinas3614 Predeterminism is still predeterminism regardless of how it is carried out. The reason why I find the ending unsatisfying is because everything became pointless when it was stated that everything has already been set in stone and Eren couldn't change his future or the future of humanity. The author tried the copout of "well, even though it is predetermined it is the future Eren wanted". If Eren did want that future, then why did he "time-travel" into the past to try to change it? The ending makes the story contradict itself. I believe the author got so lost in his own threads that he just wanted a quick ending and move on to another project.
This is the best video about the ending I've seen. I encourage you to make more attack on titan videos. Maybe a broader video about attack on titan that goes over the genius writing touching on all the insane plot twists, foreshadowing, paradoxes, character arcs, etc. Something that I can send to people who don't give it a 10/10 lol, already actually been doing that with this video
Really appreciate that! I will definitely try to make more attack on titan videos in the future. Excited to read the new levi chapter! Thanks so much for your support
Eren has the same motivation of freedom throughout the show, and the only reason it is "futile" is because he keeps learning more and the scope of the situation changes. He has to learn about the outside world and all the new threats. But when he touches Historia's hand and then when he gets the founding titan's powers and begins the rumbling, it is no longer futile. He finally has all the knowledge and all the power necessary to get the freedom he always wanted, to be free of the oppression against him and his people. Just saying "Eren is childish" is very, reductive. All the examples you give are literally Eren fighting for freedom. He wasn't some suicidal maniac or just extremely childish. He was extremely driven towards his goal of freedom. That's what defines his character. Eren's future visions massively changed him. Why are you saying all the character development not happening is actually part of a good story? Eren isn't a slave to hatred, and wasn't ever since touching Historia's hand and experiencing life in Marley. A slave to freedom doesn't even make sense, so it's weird people say it so much. He is being oppressed. He wants to be free. This is somehow a bad thing? When he finally gets free, he will no longer need to fight to be free. You can't talk about Eren being powerful and then say that he has no power. That makes no sense. Either Eren can choose, or he can't. And why does everyone get causation backwards and say that he can't choose because determinism", forgetting that his choices are what determines the outcome. Ymir can't fathom freedom, but Eren doe so very well, hence being driven towards it. Eren does utilize his power correctly. The story makes it clear that the entire world is about to go and destroy Paradis. It's them or the world. Eren chooses to save Paradis. Ymir makes the past titan shifters fight. That isn't standing back and doing nothing. How would Eren be free by running off with Mikasa? Eren was literally trapped in walls, not free, hence his driving motivation, and only by fighting did he start to escape them. Mikasa did not let Eren go though. She kissed his head. She constantly visited his grave, dragging her family with her. She was literally buried with her scarf. It's fine to say it is just the ending which is unenjoyed, but given that the ending retcons so much, it retroactively ruins the rest of the show for many people.
Reasons to why it’s a terrible ending. 1 How did his friends survive the titans? They lose Sasha to 3 titan shifters and 2 kids but lose no one against 100s of titan shifters? 2. Zeke dying shouldn’t of stopped the rumbling. Ymir’s goal was to destroy the world so why didn’t Ymir just continue the rumbling after zeke died?’ 3. Zeke should of stopped the rumbling earlier because his dad telling him “ please stop Eren” didn’t give him motivation to die so he can stop it but armin showing a ball did? 4. How did mikasa free Ymir?😂 and no it isn’t because she was able to kill her lover and move on no no no she didn’t move on for crap she still had that scarf on and got buried next to Eren. 5.Ymir doesn't have Stockholm’s syndrome, if she did why did she not heal herself when a spear went through her? If she had Stockholm’s syndrome she would of had the will to live for the king. Ymir’s character is terrible. She is in the paths because she is a slave to Fritz but disobeyed him ? 6 Eren ch139 (last 30 mins) “ I’m an idiot” “I don’t know why I did the rumbling” “ I moved forward for mikasas choice” “ I did it to portray u as heroes” 💀💀💀💀 “ I would of killed them all if u didn’t stop me” Pre ch139 “Ill keep moving forward until I destroy my enemies “ “The only way to end the cycle of hatred is to bury it”😂 7.Ain’t no soul answering this question. If Ymir can see the future then why did Ymir wait till mikasa kills Eren who somehow frees her when she can see the future and knows that mikasa will kill Eren? Why did she wait for it to happen when she knows what the result is? She should of been free since she entered paths 8. What was the point of destroying 80%? eldia got destroyed. What did he achieve by doing that? He made the outer world hate eldians more and doomed paradises safety which he promised ( Eren only cared about Eldias safety not cycle of hatred so eldia bombing themselves is irrelevant for him) 9. What was the reason for the rumbling ? It defo wasn’t to make them look like hero’s because Eren said if u didn’t stop me I would of killed them all which is a contradiction. 10. Erens mom death was pointless. He already said he killed her because it wasn’t bertholdt time yet which means it wasn’t to fuel his hate for titans💀He already had the determination to lead him were he already is. When mikasa’s parents got killed he said “ if anyone tried to take away my freedom I won’t hesitate to take theirs” he also said to his dad that the kidnappers were scum and animals that needed to die. Eren before his moms death wanted to join the survey corps and venture outside the walls. If he found out the world wants to kill him he would of started the rumbling because they tried to take his freedom and we knew what Eren thinks about that. Erens view of freedom was killing everyone outside the walls so he 100% has the determination to do the rumbling. (Anyone who says Eren view of freedom wasn’t killing everyone u need to rewatch the last episode where he was talking to ramzi the kid 11. In ch130 ( episode where the ships get destroyed in Marley) Eren thinks about his mom getting eaten by the titan and it being his main motivation for the rumbling which makes no sense since Eren should know that he killed his mom because this is when he sent armin to paths and told him everything. 12.The whole Eren at the cabin scene. How did eren interact with mikasas memories? She is an Ackerman he Shouldn't be able to do that. people who are saying this is a different timeline pls provide ur proof. If it is a different timeline why does Eren have titan marks? Why do they also grow bigger the closer Eren gets to death? They become massive when she is holding erens head representing that it was a fake memory. The bigger the titans marks the closer she gets to reality 13. Eren crying like a baby for mikasa is a retcon. When did Eren ever cry like this for mikasa? He alway pushed mikasa away from him. When Eren found out he has a 8 years to live mikasa was in jail with him, did he care about her then? No he didn’t even care about mikasa when he found out he dosnt have long left to live even isayama said mikasa is a mother figure for him so how exactly does him crying like a baby fit his character? 14. Eren said to armin he will show them the memories after he gets killed but shows it to mikasa before he gets killed? 15. How did Eren turn into the collosal titan after zeke died and the worm left him ?😂😂😂 16. There was literally no point in the rumbling, the outside worlds wants to kill then because their just eldian. What makes Eren think destroying 80% of the world then letting armin kill you to look like a hero does? Stop them from hating eldians? No😂 they will hate u more
We hate the ending because of how they handle eren character in the finale They changed him into an idiot loser Before the eren crying scene, Eren was a guy who literally ripped off his leg and eyes for the future of paradise
It feels like a complete waste of time, a decade long investment. What was the point of all that fighting? Eren is a tragic character, with the addition of Mikasa's descendant and the creation of a new line of titans by Eren (Titan tree). They should have stuck with the original manga ending...it all feels so rushed (new ending) in attempt to prolong the story further for money.
@vintage2983 The point was that Eren did end the threat of the titans for a long time and most of the people he loved lived happy lives. He was never going to secure eternal peace or ensure Paradis survived forever because human beings fight each other. The whole point of Armin's chat with Zeke was pointing out that tiny, beautiful things make life worth living in a world of cruelty, and that his (and by extension Eren's) obsession with purpose and inability to enjoy those things ruined both of them.
The ending was epic, people just don't even understand the meaning of "WAR". Erwin explained it best in season 2: "there can only be peace when there's only 1 human left on this earth" - so no matter what Eren does or doesn't do (wiping 100% of humanity excepts for Paradis) - they will start their own civil war like what we've seen earlier in the show.
Reasons to why it’s a terrible ending. 1 How did his friends survive the titans? They lose Sasha to 3 titan shifters and 2 kids but lose no one against 100s of titan shifters? 2. Zeke dying shouldn’t of stopped the rumbling. Ymir’s goal was to destroy the world so why didn’t Ymir just continue the rumbling after zeke died?’ 3. Zeke should of stopped the rumbling earlier because his dad telling him “ please stop Eren” didn’t give him motivation to die so he can stop it but armin showing a ball did? 4. How did mikasa free Ymir?😂 and no it isn’t because she was able to kill her lover and move on no no no she didn’t move on for crap she still had that scarf on and got buried next to Eren. 5.Ymir doesn't have Stockholm’s syndrome, if she did why did she not heal herself when a spear went through her? If she had Stockholm’s syndrome she would of had the will to live for the king. Ymir’s character is terrible. She is in the paths because she is a slave to Fritz but disobeyed him ? 6 Eren ch139 (last 30 mins) “ I’m an idiot” “I don’t know why I did the rumbling” “ I moved forward for mikasas choice” “ I did it to portray u as heroes” 💀💀💀💀 “ I would of killed them all if u didn’t stop me” Pre ch139 “Ill keep moving forward until I destroy my enemies “ “The only way to end the cycle of hatred is to bury it”😂 7.Ain’t no soul answering this question. If Ymir can see the future then why did Ymir wait till mikasa kills Eren who somehow frees her when she can see the future and knows that mikasa will kill Eren? Why did she wait for it to happen when she knows what the result is? She should of been free since she entered paths 8. What was the point of destroying 80%? eldia got destroyed. What did he achieve by doing that? He made the outer world hate eldians more and doomed paradises safety which he promised ( Eren only cared about Eldias safety not cycle of hatred so eldia bombing themselves is irrelevant for him) 9. What was the reason for the rumbling ? It defo wasn’t to make them look like hero’s because Eren said if u didn’t stop me I would of killed them all which is a contradiction. 10. Erens mom death was pointless. He already said he killed her because it wasn’t bertholdt time yet which means it wasn’t to fuel his hate for titans💀He already had the determination to lead him were he already is. When mikasa’s parents got killed he said “ if anyone tried to take away my freedom I won’t hesitate to take theirs” he also said to his dad that the kidnappers were scum and animals that needed to die. Eren before his moms death wanted to join the survey corps and venture outside the walls. If he found out the world wants to kill him he would of started the rumbling because they tried to take his freedom and we knew what Eren thinks about that. Erens view of freedom was killing everyone outside the walls so he 100% has the determination to do the rumbling. (Anyone who says Eren view of freedom wasn’t killing everyone u need to rewatch the last episode where he was talking to ramzi the kid 11. In ch130 ( episode where the ships get destroyed in Marley) Eren thinks about his mom getting eaten by the titan and it being his main motivation for the rumbling which makes no sense since Eren should know that he killed his mom because this is when he sent armin to paths and told him everything. 12.The whole Eren at the cabin scene. How did eren interact with mikasas memories? She is an Ackerman he Shouldn't be able to do that. people who are saying this is a different timeline pls provide ur proof. If it is a different timeline why does Eren have titan marks? Why do they also grow bigger the closer Eren gets to death? They become massive when she is holding erens head representing that it was a fake memory. The bigger the titans marks the closer she gets to reality 13. Eren crying like a baby for mikasa is a retcon. When did Eren ever cry like this for mikasa? He alway pushed mikasa away from him. When Eren found out he has a 8 years to live mikasa was in jail with him, did he care about her then? No he didn’t even care about mikasa when he found out he dosnt have long left to live even isayama said mikasa is a mother figure for him so how exactly does him crying like a baby fit his character? 14. Eren said to armin he will show them the memories after he gets killed but shows it to mikasa before he gets killed? 15. How did Eren turn into the collosal titan after zeke died and the worm left him ?😂😂😂 16. There was literally no point in the rumbling, the outside worlds wants to kill then because their just eldian. What makes Eren think destroying 80% of the world then letting armin kill you to look like a hero does? Stop them from hating eldians? No😂 they will hate u more
@@aotgoat3267 by you just asking the 1st question then I already know that you don't understand the whole story at all. Eren is just another arrogant, selfish and a fool (which 80% of us are) that wants nothing but to see his friends and the people he cared for on the island live longer, so why would Ymir and Eren let their own titans kill off his friends ???
Sasha dies because according to Eren's future memories-which bounds to happen and out of his control, if he hadn't execute the attack on Marley, Sasha and his friends will be alive for a few more months before the entire world execute their attack on Paradis, which would have been too late -Sasha's death was crucial for this to happen and Eren knows it (Hence the laugh in S4 part 1 where he failed to stop his visions to becoming reality) -Fun fact for you, she was meant to die in Season 2 when she saved that little girl Kaya, the Titan was meant to use his hands and crack her head in two but the editor broke down in tears and begged Isayama to prolong her life even further to this point
@@aotgoat3267 Hange dies because that's her own free will, is to "Exit in the coolest way possible" while bursting out the tears of joy and curiosity, she was ready to meet Erwin and her comrades
Exactly. Eren was no genius or tactical or battle mastermind. He was just an above average kid. Heck, if he wasn’t a titan shifter his story would’ve ended in the Santa Claus titan.
Ik this vid is old, another point that people seem to miss, the boy walking into the tree was not chased in there by people hurting him, hunting him, hes curious and he has a little dog companion, a completely different circumstance from ymir going into the tree. also the singing when the scene is taking place translated is repeating the sentiment "children getting out of the forest". Its a bleak, nihilistic, brutal ending, but there is the chance for optimism, maybe the story we witnessed was for nothing...or it planted the seeds for a possibly better future.
This was a brilliant analysis. Been watching many videos analyzing the ending ever since it aired almost 3 months ago and you've brought up elements that I had not seen so far but that make perfect sense
Thank you so much! I’m really glad you liked it, this comment means a lot. My goal was to touch on things that others hadn’t already so I’m happy to hear I did 🙏🏼
is that really the theme of the story that isayama came up with? "war never ends, humans will always fight" or is that just a easy copout for a character that he completely ruined when he made eren say "its all because im an idiot". If the theme really is that war never ends, why did he make eren do all these things and suffer in his life in order to complete the rumbling, but in the end have him state that he did it just because he wanted to. Is that how humans act during war? Are wars started and ended just because "they can" ?? Is the boy at the tree in the end gonna start a rumbling again and state on his deathbed "I did all this because im an idiot"? Its a tone-deaf way to approach the theme of a continuous loop that forgets to acknowledge that you have to have true motivations for war. Violence isnt started because you want to see the world burn, its done due to suffering that you have faced. Its because your mom died, your house gets destroyed, your city gets toppled. All things that motivated eren to go and accomplish his goal of revenge. But in the end you have to forget all these motivations and realize that its all for nothing, its all a facade for a boy that just wanted to do it just because. What a idiotic end to one of the greatest stories ever, a theme that was so forced by bad writing that people had to resort to calling it the point of the story. The theme has always been fight, fight no matter what you face or what is blocking your way.
its a 3 step clock cycle (war restoration peace) that the human race has followed and always will follow you sound like an idealistic ignorant idiot. Eren was an idiot from the start of the show and then started seeing past present and future all at once, even if you were a genius your brain would be in shambles. The point of Eren killing the world was really simple, to let his family live in the time of restoration and peace, a freedom that Eren chased but could only give to his family and friends and well 20% of the population, and your idea of "fight fight no matter what" is only a piece of the human endurance which is just a human nature its just best showcased when people are in times of war. its not an overarching theme; the overarching theme being the cycles that humans operate in, and as long as life prevails, so does death. Its just funny to me that you think you know how to wrap up Hajimes absolute masterpiece of a story better than the genius himself who spent his life working on it, and clearly knew where he was going from the start.
PS: when I speak of "the cycles" Im referring to far more than the clock cycle I spoke of at the beginning things like the repetition of shortcomings and dream chasing and inabilites, and failures through stupidity, a trait demonstrated by all but most obviously a parallel drawn between Ymir, and Eren. Or how temporary it all is, theres much to "cycles" and I didnt realize until making this that it would likely fly over the head of someone of your intellectual caliber: you.
@@data7170ah yes, he went crazy when he accessed the paths, unlike all the named character in the story that did the same thing without loosing their minds, lol
@@randomusername3873 oh wow another dun ce who thinks they know how to finish a masterpiece better than its creator. Sadly youtube has the dumbest anti keyword and flags the most base line insults. So im not repeating my 2 page essay to you sadly only my PS will be your argument as your even more unintelligent than the commentor I responded to if you genuinely could only muster up that as an argument, which in itself is only proof of your inability to pay attention to anyone and anything but the main character.
Fr bruh, people don’t see the beauty of this show before they would put it down for its controversial ending. You said it right that they are slaves to their expectations lol. The symbolism in the show was beautiful, as well as the pace and development.
Great essay, made me think (even though I already loved the ending). A side note about the "I'll kill them all!" line. Even if you disregard time loop shenanigans and take him as only meaning Titans... it's still a chilling portent. Eren was always shown as intensely hateful and violent in a way that freaked out people around him, many of whom had lost just as much as him. It was accepted by them because he was either their friend or a useful ally, and by us because he's the protagonist. It's no surprise (okay, I was surprised, but with hindsight) that his genocidal rage didn't abate just because the conflict turned out to be with the rest of humanity. It's like you said, he never grew out of that childish impulse that he could only solve problems with violence.
For real. I’m rewatching the show currently and damn, Eren’s character really hit different the second time around. In season 4, we all hate Gabi, but she essentially who Eren is in seasons 1-3, but we didn’t hate him then. He was the hero, overcoming the enemies and fighting for his friends. It isn’t until Gabi feels that same hatred towards the characters we know and love and Eren starts going off the deep end that we start to question it. But the red flags were always there. His extremism was just aimed at those who the narrative showed to be enemies, but in Eren’s mind that narrative changes to be the rest of the world.
All you're doing is interpreting bad writing as good writing, by clinging to the analogy of Eren being a moth or genuinely insane. Cool idea, but your points are either 80% head canon or speculation throughout the video. People are open to have their own interpretations and enjoy their own shows for whatever reasons, but in terms of raw writing. The ending of attack on titan is extremely sub-par at best. I can fully explain why Attack on Titan's ending is one of the worst endings in recent series and fiction. It's unironically a failure of an ending. I'll sum it up in a couple points. 1 - Characters suddenly losing their previous characterization for the sake of plot By the ending of Attack on Titan, multiple of the main characters (and I'll address a few of the main ones) entirely fold or negate their previous character traits or characterization. Not in a logical progression either, but in a literal (suddenly this character is no longer this) way. 1.1 (Eren) It makes no sense that the most straightforward and determined character from childhood, Eren Yaeger, would suddenly decide that his plan of the rumbling half-way through is a bad thing to do because his "friends deserve the ability to fight his decision". That's some Fairy Tale logic a reader would never expect from the likes of a world as dark and bleak as Attack on titan. Sure you could argue it as him being emotional. But realistically, he isn't stupid and Eren's already stated multiple times in the story that if he doesn't end all threats to Paradis, Paradis and the rest of the Eldians will be killed, to include all his friends and home. Already having been depicted to be the character willing to do anything for the result they want, it makes no sense that Eren would even consider stopping the rumbling. In character, it only makes sense if he either fully did it or didn't do it at all. In section 3, I'll get to why Eren pulling back his decision of the rumbling makes even less sense. 1.2 (Armin) Armin is depicted to be the brains of Attack on Titan and one of the smartest characters in the verse along with Hanji and Erwin. Of all characters, Armin should last person (in-character) to not see why Eren is being morally gray and why he is pursuing an idea like the rumbling. Armin is no doubt dumb enough to believe that with a little bit of peace talk, the rest of the world is gonna leave Eldians alone when they have either full control or the full potential to control weapons of mass destruction (Rumbling Titans). Technology is gradually outpacing the regular titan shifters, so the Eldians would reasonably become more of a slave class than before, if not eradicated entirely just to be safe about it. In this scenario, it makes sense that if you want the Eldians to survive with the limited span of a Shifter's lifetime, is to launch the Rumbling, removing all enemies of Paradis. Armin should already understand this (in character) and him asking Eren "What are you doing?" as if he doesn't understand or is somehow incapable of this line of thinking, is writing Armin purposely aloof for the sake of plot and making Eren look villainous. It's pretty stupid overall. It would have been more realistic for Armin to recognize why Eren believes the Rumbling was fully necessary, and for him to try to think of another path to take that would avoid losing so many lives but achieving a similar goal to Eren's, the ultimate protection of Paradis and the Eldians 1.3 (Mikasa) A character whose main reason for living is the Main Character, Eren, and whose 50% of their dialogue is literally "Eren" is (spoiler alert) --------- going to try to kill and follow through with killing Eren because he's killing people that belong to a society that would gladly kill him? She's the ride or die of Attack on Titan. The only realistic way Mikasa would ever aim to (in character) kill Eren would be if Eren killed Armin. And even then, she'd more likely just be distraught instead. Mikasa was already stated multiple times to not care about people other than Eren and Armin. Her characterization is overall detached so the author suddenly writing her to care about the entire humanity of the world (especially when she already knew the cruelty and unfairness of it by her parents being killed extremely early into the series, all for the sake of a "positive ending" is horrible on the author's character consistency and overall character writing. 2 - Gabi (ever being written and the amount of plot points she somehow influenced as a Mary Sue) 2.1 Is a regular kid soldier that somehow used aimbot level reactions to instantly snipe Eren's neck (mid movement) (this is something most of the readers could literally only imagine Levi himself pulling off, not a kid soldier with zero amped abilities or powers. 2.2 Killed Sasha, again being overly cracked for a child soldier 2.3 Arguably pulling off feats you'd think an awakened Ackerman would be doing, when she's not even an Ackerman. See 2.1 2.4 Again surviving situations that you'd only think an awakened Ackerman would survive, for the sake of plot and keeping screen time / story focus. People may argue that Gabi isn't a Mary Sue because she isn't literally perfect. Sure, but anyone who's read AoT can surely tell you her aim is beyond her years, she can pull of feats that make literally no sense unless it was someone far more specialized doing it, and yes this is the worst character written in the entirety of Attack on Titan. Again, going back to the main point that the Author is willing to do anything to the characters, even creating poor ones, to propel the plot or keep the narrative going as intended. This is the case, even if it outright lowers the qualities of new or existing characters in the series. 3 - Time Travel and Time-based abilities An easy way to ruin a story's verse is adding things that never needed to be there. An even better method of doing that is those things last minute. Even worse is when those things don't add to the story and actually do more to take away from it. And at that point, you have Attack on Titan's time manipulation. (Talking directly to the ability of the Prime Attack Titan's power to affect future and past memories and influence the plot of the world by influencing people directly to make different decisions and bend to the whim of the strongest titan or in Eren's case, himself. So the author's really telling us that Eren warped through time to simply fold on his own plan that he had all the time in the world to think about, because it suddenly seemed not so nice and not so kind? You literally have plot manipulation my guy, the last person running back on their decisions should be the person capable of seeing and influencing past and future events to control the course of multiple major arcs and history in the world. Imagine controlling your own timeline, killing half the population in it, just to redact your whole cosigning of it, when you already control the timeline and could've just avoided it yourself? Lmao. Can't get more convoluted than this. This is major flaw and part of the reason why this ability didn't need to be in the story at all. Not only was it bad to involve Time Travel / Time Manipulation in the Attack on Titan universe, because it isn't needed. But it was poorly handled and makes absolutely zero sense that a character with timeline manipulation would change their opinion on something randomly when they had all the time to think about it in the world. Because of all of this poor writing, characters folding against their original beliefs, and including of trash and unnecessary abilities in the AoT verse, Eldians and Paradis was destroyed in the end. Who'd of thought? This is exactly what happens when an author goes for a massively symbolic and overly "meaningful" ending that fails to keep to the series itself. Ultimately ends up coming up as a flop and looking trash in the eyes of the majority of the viewers and people who liked the series to begin with. Also, ultimately any story is written and created for the purpose of someone else to experience it. If the experiences of those people that liked the series conclude that the ending was trash. It pretty much is. Just like a chef cooking, what the guest actually tastes is what matters, not what the person cooking planned the dish to taste like or the combination they thought the seasonings would create. For these reasons, I will say the ending portion of Attack on Titan drastically fell off and the ending is probably one of the worst I've seen in any series. It's unfortunate too, because Attack on Titan was and is easily one of my favorite series of all time.
I would like to disagree, the ending heavily contradicted the buildup to that point in the story: Eren mentioned numerous times that the cycle of hatred can only be eliminated if all life outside the walls were eliminated. Then he suddenly switched to 80% and then claims that his reasoning is because "hes an idiot".
@cobraz3845 false, he didn't switch to 80%, he said that the plan was to destroy everything but paradis, but in the future he saw that he would have been stopped when he had already destroyed 80% of the world and was happy with that because it meant paradis would be save for his friends' lifespan. Also realized that the hatred can't be stopped for a long time (even inside the walls there were factions that killed each other), he just wanted to make his friends' lives better and "free", doesn't care about the future. He's an egoistic character and did an egoistic act, no contradictions.
Reasons to why it’s a terrible ending. 1 How did his friends survive the titans? They lose Sasha to 3 titan shifters and 2 kids but lose no one against 100s of titan shifters? 2. Zeke dying shouldn’t of stopped the rumbling. Ymir’s goal was to destroy the world so why didn’t Ymir just continue the rumbling after zeke died?’ 3. Zeke should of stopped the rumbling earlier because his dad telling him “ please stop Eren” didn’t give him motivation to die so he can stop it but armin showing a ball did? 4. How did mikasa free Ymir?😂 and no it isn’t because she was able to kill her lover and move on no no no she didn’t move on for crap she still had that scarf on and got buried next to Eren. 5.Ymir doesn't have Stockholm’s syndrome, if she did why did she not heal herself when a spear went through her? If she had Stockholm’s syndrome she would of had the will to live for the king. Ymir’s character is terrible. She is in the paths because she is a slave to Fritz but disobeyed him ? 6 Eren ch139 (last 30 mins) “ I’m an idiot” “I don’t know why I did the rumbling” “ I moved forward for mikasas choice” “ I did it to portray u as heroes” 💀💀💀💀 “ I would of killed them all if u didn’t stop me” Pre ch139 “Ill keep moving forward until I destroy my enemies “ “The only way to end the cycle of hatred is to bury it”😂 7.Ain’t no soul answering this question. If Ymir can see the future then why did Ymir wait till mikasa kills Eren who somehow frees her when she can see the future and knows that mikasa will kill Eren? Why did she wait for it to happen when she knows what the result is? She should of been free since she entered paths 8. What was the point of destroying 80%? eldia got destroyed. What did he achieve by doing that? He made the outer world hate eldians more and doomed paradises safety which he promised ( Eren only cared about Eldias safety not cycle of hatred so eldia bombing themselves is irrelevant for him) 9. What was the reason for the rumbling ? It defo wasn’t to make them look like hero’s because Eren said if u didn’t stop me I would of killed them all which is a contradiction. 10. Erens mom death was pointless. He already said he killed her because it wasn’t bertholdt time yet which means it wasn’t to fuel his hate for titans💀He already had the determination to lead him were he already is. When mikasa’s parents got killed he said “ if anyone tried to take away my freedom I won’t hesitate to take theirs” he also said to his dad that the kidnappers were scum and animals that needed to die. Eren before his moms death wanted to join the survey corps and venture outside the walls. If he found out the world wants to kill him he would of started the rumbling because they tried to take his freedom and we knew what Eren thinks about that. Erens view of freedom was killing everyone outside the walls so he 100% has the determination to do the rumbling. (Anyone who says Eren view of freedom wasn’t killing everyone u need to rewatch the last episode where he was talking to ramzi the kid 11. In ch130 ( episode where the ships get destroyed in Marley) Eren thinks about his mom getting eaten by the titan and it being his main motivation for the rumbling which makes no sense since Eren should know that he killed his mom because this is when he sent armin to paths and told him everything. 12.The whole Eren at the cabin scene. How did eren interact with mikasas memories? She is an Ackerman he Shouldn't be able to do that. people who are saying this is a different timeline pls provide ur proof. If it is a different timeline why does Eren have titan marks? Why do they also grow bigger the closer Eren gets to death? They become massive when she is holding erens head representing that it was a fake memory. The bigger the titans marks the closer she gets to reality 13. Eren crying like a baby for mikasa is a retcon. When did Eren ever cry like this for mikasa? He alway pushed mikasa away from him. When Eren found out he has a 8 years to live mikasa was in jail with him, did he care about her then? No he didn’t even care about mikasa when he found out he dosnt have long left to live even isayama said mikasa is a mother figure for him so how exactly does him crying like a baby fit his character? 14. Eren said to armin he will show them the memories after he gets killed but shows it to mikasa before he gets killed? 15. How did Eren turn into the collosal titan after zeke died and the worm left him ?😂😂😂 16. There was literally no point in the rumbling, the outside worlds wants to kill then because their just eldian. What makes Eren think destroying 80% of the world then letting armin kill you to look like a hero does? Stop them from hating eldians? No😂 they will hate u more Additional: In s2 ep 12 why was Dina there?💀💀 the wall rose never fell. She’s meant to be in wall Maria. Only the titans zeke created should be in wall rose.
@aotgoat3267 man you are just the average twitter user that would send death treats for fun to mappa staff♿️ Literally every point that isn't ymir related is explained in the show and makes sense and every character is always in-character, you just misunderstood eren and didn't pay much attention to the show I guess. For the ymir ones there is ambiguity since it is a freakin mute character, how do you expect to make a fair point on the psychology of a mute 2000 years old character lol, that's just dumb. You can criticize the concept of said character, which is a deus ex machina, but you can't make real concrete points about her in the story, a fanboy could make shit up and you couldn't demonstrate him being wrong since we know nothing about her. It was a cheeky way to shortcut and justify a lot of stuff, not the best but it works 🤷🏻♂️ Stay mad and rewatch it since you just proved my point lol
I loved the ending. So much. Many tears cried. But also, I was really disappointed with how side-lined Historia was. Her character never felt fully fleshed out after her losing Ymir and killing her father and becoming queen (even just proxy queen). By the end it was great that she was happy in motherhood, but that was ALSO forced on her just in case they needed to continue passing on titans. I really really wanted just a little something to wrap up her character. Annie felt a little jipped too. I mean, think of how much Reiner was developed. Albeit Annie was in crystal for years, but also something felt missing. I LOVED Annie. Would have loved to see more with her, too
She wasn't forced into motherhood, she chose it so that she could avoid inheriting the beast titan by delaying it long enough that Eren could go through with the rumbling thus making it no longer necessary to inherit it.
I get that Eren was supposed to have been a slave to his nature, but I don't understand how a character that doesn't change or learn anything is interesting. It's just not a very good character arc. In the end, the show tries reallllyyy hard to make me empathize with a genocidal asshole and it just doesn't work at all. The idea that killing someone like Eren at the end is presented is a difficult decision...idk that just came across as kinda laughable to me.
how did Mikasa get back to the island with Eren's decapitated head decomposing did she walk across on the ocean the flying boat got destroyed we saw that in the anime I'm just curious if anyone can tell me I'm pretty sure they did not show the scouts arriving on the island in anime I guess isayama didn't know how to explain it so he's just put a three year time skip problem solve lol you guys gotta stop defending this and just admit that are some flaws in the ending that doesn't make any sense a example will be when eren ask reinar why he's mom had to die when he knew the answer to that the question
This same question can even be raised on how Eren ran away from the scouts and stayed in Marley. Dumb to nitpick on something thay does not even matter to the story as a whole, "oh how did she reach Paradise?" .
I thought it was perfect and kinda the only way they could have ended it. Imagine being, they're 19 by then end right? Don't quote me but all the sudden he gets the power to see the past present and future all at once, and all the trauma on top of that, I mean how would you deal? It's the stuff I think people forget.
Agreed. People forget that Eren literally is still at teenager dealing with trauma at 19. I’m not sure why some people think it’s so controversial for Eren to feel like he’s an idiot, because the reality is, why should we expect at 19 year old to know how to solve global centuries-old issues of conflict, violence and racism?
I see where you coming from bro but naw bruh ending was still ass ain't no lack of understanding cus you missed hella plot holes and everything before ending was 10/10 but ending was still horrible af
Can't believe it's over what a journey it was. It will always be close to my heart and remain my favorite story. Believe me or not i was before watching it i used to be kind of a hater and I never would've guessed it would be the best watch experience i had watching a show. this was a amazing analysis
I think Eren never got more choices on pursuing his freedom, saving his friends, fighting Marley or ending the Titans even if he not used Rumbling but lived his life peacefully as we can see on one last scene with Eren and Mikasa where both are living together but then Marley army attacked Paradise Island..Imagine seeing all the future alternatives where only massacre is a choice to save your friends but you with your human emotions can’t act on it this contradiction is what Eren felt when seeing all the future scenes. I gotta agree with you on this point Eren represents Us Humanity with all the contradictions. Loved this video I think Isayama wanted the show this as you’ve explained.
The mental gymnastics AOT fans tell themselves to justify an ambiguous ending is wild. Switching themes past the midpoint of the story is a recipe for mediocre writing which is what this show became. Stop defending the indefensible look many video essays there are parroting that this show is masterpiece its so cringe. You Fanatic fans need an echo chamber, cause no one who watched the show is going to rate this a 10 with that bozo ending. *the story intentionally ends unresolved- OMG its perfect a masterpiece.... yikes AOT fans how far you've fallen
You are speaking the truth, Eren was always imposed and was always doomed to the path he was going for. The rumbling was a perfect example of pointless action done by a person who never grew up and refused to see beyond the world they see. The only problem I had was the fall of Paradis. I strongly believe that Paradis should have been destroyed in the manga over the anime destruction of Paradis, it gives me a bad taste in my mouth that 1000s years have passed by yet Paradis still stands in peace without paying a price for the rumbling gives a horrible message and this part of the Manga is the one thing I want to keep. It makes more sense that only 50 years have pass instead of 1000s.
How man ?, the 20% humanity left, they need time to recover from the rumbling first, before attacking paradis again, this explains the 1000s years, and finally they nuke the island just for revenge and payback...thus continues the cycle of hate.
In the manga, the author added 5 pages that showed paradis getting destroyed in like 50yrs. In the anime it transitioned way better into that part. Also armin saying we'll join you in hell instead of thanking eren for killing 80% of the world was way better. Mikasa romance and ymirs stockholm syndrome is still mad cringey but what can you do
Mikasa is literal npc only things say Eren! But mikasa s1 better than this ermika fan fiction ending story is about end cycle of hatred/racism not a love story .That's way extra confirms people who read knows this will happen before it was add
I don’t really agree much since I think it would diminish the rest of the allies and paradis who didn’t condone the rumbling and tried to stop him. They were set up at the end to try and negotiate peace talks with both sides and it’s nicer to know they had some amount of success rather than none. I can partially agree that it’s weird they went all the way to futuristic before war struck again it should’ve been only a couple hundred years, but I do think it’s a harsher end to have paradis get destroyed immidietly because not everyone in paradis is responsible. It’s the same as saying the rumbling was deserved because the every person in the world is responsible for eldian oppression
@maxlewis234 its less about it being deserved and more about the fact, other countries in the world would most likely want retribution for what happened. I can imagine a ceasefire happening since they might still be afraid of the titans but once they realize their out of the picture, their leaders and government might use that as a chance to get revenge on paradis
Attack on titan is one of the greatest stories ever told. It asks questions that most authors are afraid to ask, and because of this it is up there with the works of people like J.R.R Tolkien and Shakespeare.
Bro do not compare it to Shakespeare All the questions it asks has already been done before it's a good anime with a good premise but nowhere near the big 3 let alone Shakespeare
Those people who think that the ending of AOT was perfect, they don't know anything about writing imo. I am sure that these people will also say that the ending of Game of Thrones was perfect🤣🤣
That was a nice video (although the narration a bit too fast for me). I agree with the overall analysis as I had almost zero complaints with the ending myself.
@@mikasasgarden I made the critique with good intentions. The fast-paced narration is a quite common style in youtube. I don't feel comfortable with it, even in my native language, but maybe it's just a personal preference. Again, that was an interesting analysis about AoT's ending!
All very true: Except I, as a aot ending non-enjoyer, have never complained about any of these things. My problems are what follows: Mikasa went from literally needing a retconned tattoo on the wrist to have any significance into the story other than sucking eren's dick to being the most important character in the story. Ymir is apparently in love with fritz, ah yes, I remember every time it was set up in the story a grand total of 0 times. Can we also forget "only ymir knows" as an explanation which has the same ring as "I forgot" in SAO in the aincrad arc finale of "daenerys kinda forgot" of GoT finale. Reiner losing any fight he's ever had in the show to suddenly achieving mastered ultra instinct on eren's back doing. Homeboy couldn't defeat eren with the help of Porco two days before. Suddenly we come to know that Pieck can transform countless times, I remember all the 0 times this was mentioned in the story. The fact that the Warhammer titan on eren's back just stabs and holds the cart titan for an unspecified amount of time instead of actually killing her. The whole main cast now being on the level of Levi and Mikasa managing to survive the battle of heaven and earth without a scratch. Levi having a raging hate boner for Zeke for killing erwin and his men but not the lightest problem with Annie who killed his whole squad. The ending retroactively makes eren a fucking hypocrite "Reiner, tell me, why did my mother die that day?", bro because you killed her why are you asking reiner. Eren so much of an idiot that managed to come up with the same plan as Lelouch from Code Geass one the smartest character in anime history. After zeke's death the rumbling stops but eren still can controll the founding titan for some unspecified reason. After the fight the Hallucigenia magically disappears even tho the armored titan was hugging her. The marleans not shooting armin & Co after the tells them they've lost all powers. To the eyes of the marleans the eldians have just annihilated 80% of human population. *how* did Mikasa go back to Paradis? She swam? These are the problems with the ending, not anything you mentioned. And no, if something is 99 out of 100 is not perfect by definition.
I am.scared to say, but the more I think about it, the true main character is Mikasa, and Eren was the driving force of her journey. Everything was riding on Mikasa, what she did and how she did it would lead to either the end of the Rumbling, or to the end of humanity completely She changes through the show, despite her love for Eren. Eren may be seen as the main character, but the thing is Eren never really changed. He was never given the chance or the choice to change. In reality, Eren is was the unwilling villain while Mikasa was the unintentional heroine of the story. They both need each other, yet only one was going to actuallybring Ymir peace, and in the end, it was Mikasa's act of killing the love of her life that ended everything.
THANK YOU SO MUCH OH MY GOD THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING AAAAAAAAAAAAH perfect video, great delivery and audio quality, solid editing and beautiful analysis! Now go watch FD signifier and ROAR AND SCREAM like I did.
I’m glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks so much! I appreciate the kind words. I just searched the video you’re talking about up on TH-cam and from the title and thumbnail alone I’m already prepared to scream 😭
The issue with all this is that the "fate" is never explained and that it goes against the entire idea of "making choices in the moment". After the ending everything before that feels set in stone, like nothing ever mattered. After he got the founder, there should not be any "set in stone" fate but for some reason without explanation there still was. Pair this with some straight up plot issues that were never explained (Mikasa forgetting paths being the biggest one) and you just have a lot of unexplained issues riddling an otherwise good ending on paper. It could have been great but as it is, it's mediocre at best
I agree with you mostly except for Mikasa forgetting the Paths, she didn't forget it, it occurred at the time it was shown to support my point if you recall the memory Mikasa got was before she killed Eren and it was because of the memory she knew Eren was in the mouth of the titan while the memories Armin and the rest got came back after Eren was killed and Eren said he had to wipe Armin's memory which he didn't say in Mikasa's case.
Well said. One of the best pieces of media to watch again and experience a completely new perspective from it. It really is a fantastic show, and I’m thankful to have had the chance to experience its greatness.
He is a slave to ymir and attack titan..his action is the inevitable..his choice was like dr. strange’s choice, the only possibly acceptable future..that’s what people never understand, always thinking that Eren has becoming a villain..it’s mentioned clearly, he has played the scene in his head again and again and again, and this is the only way
Eren’s last scenes are reminiscent of Bertholdt’s death. Even when Bert man’d up, he still was ultimately a 17 year old facing death. Of course you can expect him to cry out like a child, he still was one. Both put into the terrible rock and hard places but knowing they had to at least act, even if they didn’t want to (double entendre).
even though the construct of being stuck in multiple timelines - at all times - is very abstract to comprehend, i feel like the medium had a somewhat hard time to really make you appreciate the fact our protagonists were mere teens. if you realize that, then there is not much empathy needed to see the bro-talk scene as very fitting, in my opinion. i think the show was a masterpiece in every regard and, for me, worthy of being titled as perfect, but i do understand why that might not be the case for everyone and why that ending is controversial for some
An ending on par with Game of Thrones, And just like GoT we have AoT fans who can't help themselves except to ignore all of the plot armor, plot convenience, retcons, and terrible execution of the ending.
I totally agree. Most people just want a happy ending for everything and cannot handle the fact the ending wasnt that even though eventually for the whole situation it had a slight positive note as eren did create a short time of peace, which ofcourse slowly gets on course towards the ouroboros of repeating history. Also symbolicly it was perfectly set up for this, which I sometimes have a feeling a big portion of viewers symbolic stuff flies over their head.
I never heard a single person complain there wasn't an happy ending If anything people complain it was too happy Have you ending enjoyers ever bothered to actually listen to some criticism?
I generally disagree with your interpretation of episode 48 and how it plays a role in the finale. In the episodes prior to this one, Eren felt as if his existence was only a hindrance to those around him because he no longer thought of himself as special upon learning that the titan powers weren't his, until keith tells him the words his mother told Keith about Eren. Eren took these words to heart and we're able to see this because of his increase in resolve after hearing these words, contrary to your belief that he "gave us no reason to believe in his plans". His resolve coupled with what he was willing to do to go through with the Rumbling were all the reasons we needed. To say he lacked any real resolve especially after this episode is pretty ignorant.
I think episode 48 is a representation of man of the characters stories. He definitely got a level of resolve from what Keith said. When I say that he didn’t give us a reason to believe in his plans, I mean in the sense that when you go back through a lot of the show. It was Armin that was the calm collected one who came up with the plans. Eren was more so a think first act later character. That doesn’t mean what he did was ever lacking, but it makes sense he calls himself an idiot to Armin. It was a self deprecating frustration. He had resolve, but it’s like the moth example. What he was aiming for he wasn’t able to reach. So it was misguided resolve, which is why I said when he cries to the kid his resolve is breaking and feels weaker. Not because he doesn’t have resolve but because he had started doubting himself on both sides and feeling frustrated. Which is exactly what he expressed to Armin. All his doubts and confusions. I think the bystander episode is important because in the end eren felt like a bystander, Ymir represented a character that was a bystander, and so did many other characters. It’s my interpretation though, and I see your point as well with eren feeling like he was a hindrance to others. I feel like both ideas coexist to some degree
@@mikasasgarden I'ma ask you a question and if you answer it I'll just leave it at that. Do you believe that Eren's breakdown in front of Ramsi was due to him being conflicted rather than him knowing for sure that he's going to go through with the Rumbling?
I think he knows he's going through with the rumbling but constantly conflicted on whether or not it's the best way to go about it. Why else try to save him? He has that mental conflict in the alleyway before saving him and I think it shows his doubt in the plans, like how he expresses to Armin. That's why there's that focus on the idea that "i just kept moving forward". What do you think about it?@@hightetrisbeatboxrevived1648
@@mikasasgarden I pretty much agree with everything you just said except for the mental conflict. The way I see it that conflict he has is just him stating the situation he faces (in terms of Paradis vs the outside world) objectively. This mental dialogue he has is the closest thing that we have to him being confused and even at that, at the end of the monologue he says he can't accept that end (Paradis being wiped). I can tell though that we agree on quite a few things, there's just some points in the story where we divulge.
absolute percent of people who hate AoT dont understand it and i feel sorry for them, for not beeing able to apreciate the ultimate art. for me, this show is the GOAT
Absolutely perfect video man, even down to the calling out to the people doubting the ending reminding us we are also slaves. Wonderful tie in and in depth explanation of the beauty of this show.
Thank you for this video! It made me understand AOT more. It all made sense! It got a great writer. Seriously, the Rumbling kind of reminds me of the story of Moses in the Bible😅
The ending is great when considering what they cooked up in S1 - S3. The author said himself that he started the story with the ending in mind. I understand this, but people just like to see a happy end. I won't pretend I'm not like this too, I would've loved a happy ending, there wouldn't have been such a discourse between the fans. Such "happy end" was however basically imposible from the very beggining because of the way the story was headed.
The entire story makes zero sense whatsoever the moment you realize ymir can time travel and change the past The entire "oh she was waiting for mikasa to free her" is completely pointless once you take into account her ability to change the past
That is the whole point, despite having great powers, Ymir was powerless because of her being unable to make choices on her own. She was the bystander, following orders, exactly as she is shown everytime she appears on screen or manga panels. Despite all her powers, she comes back to serve her abuser King Fritz.
@@Tatakhaenope. ymir can travel back in time and change the past She could have just done that once she became free in the end and just didn't for no reason And it's not only ymir, but all the founding titans as well (at least the ones pre king Fritz)
The ending does the same thing the Cellar episode did. Huge twist that can take a while to process but upon rewatching makes so much more sense. I remember when I first saw the revelation of the world beyond. I was past being shocked. I was confused. It took me a while to process what I had just learned because the show had already changed its identity several times up until that point and then we hot hit with that. It was insane. I feel the same way about the ending. It really does make sense if you watch the show as a whole. If all you have in your memory is the show since the cellar reveal then I can 100% see why you'd be disappointed. But when you remember where we started it makes more than perfect sense. Perfect show. 10 out of 10.
@@mikasasgarden Definitely. I prefer the dub and while the last episodes were taking FOREVER to be dubbed I decided to re-watch. Made all the difference in the world.
I finished this show literally ten minutes ago. This was my second anime ever. All I knew going into season 4 was that the ending was controversial. I cried my eyes out, and I hated the fact that it had to be this way in the story. But it was a good thing. You as the viewer are SUPPOSED to be heartbroken. And in the end, Eren got the ending he wanted. This story was so tragic and beautiful. The greatest show of all time.
If you think the show is perfect you dont really think realistically. Break everything down logically or realistically. No one in their right minds would understand what eren did was for freedom when he onspires hate from the start. Even teaching himself to hate along
I completly forgot about the ending. I was waiting every week for a new episode until i think around 4th season part 2. I somehow just forgot about the anime, and even more somehow-ey never heard anything really about the ending, only that it's supposed to be "The absolute worse, it ruined the anime" So a few days ago, i binched the last bit of the anime, and i gotta day; I feel satisfied. No cliffhanger, no "Oh they're living a peacefull life", it ended in a way i could see it happen in real life. Eren seeing how the world won't change their atics on war and grudges, just trying to atleast let his friends life a peacefull life. Eren being "a crybaby" honestly just made this ending just more appealing to me. A boy who's scared of death, but sacrifcing it all for the ones he love. While it's extremly sad to see, that theres no real "happy" ending, since the island kept getting attacked, it's realistic. Especially in the past years, we saw, that humanity will always resolve back to hatred and war. The ending is not beautifull, or per se a good ending, but it's realistic, and that makes it special to me.
Kenny also achieved freedom, tho after the point his dream was unattainable. That episode is also the crucial for the overarching theme n msg of the show
Also the ending doesnt make sense when eren legit got out of the rumbing THEN fought armin when he couldve reformed and rebuilt the world and die like a man
The Chad Eren fanboys remind me so much of Harry/Hermione shippers back when the 4th Harry Potter book came out and made it pretty clear that they'd completely misunderstood the dynamic of the main trio. They projected their own ideas onto the text and ignored the author's intent, then felt betrayed when the story went where it was supposed to go rather than where they'd hoped it would go... Even if I hadn't "guessed right" from reading the first three books, a quick check of how Ron is treated in Harry/Hermione fanfiction vs how Harry is treated in Ron/Hermione fanfiction would have made it clear who the bad guys were; if you feel the need to kill Ron off or turn him into a Death Eater in order to make your ship sail, there's something fundamentally wrong with it.
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this is really a very nice analysis!
Do you think the Birds that were in all the seasons represent Freedom that can't be attained?
@@UnathiGXyeah I do think the birds were important symbolism throughout. I love the thought of them being unattainable. Just the fact they could travel the world freely, while eren and them (who wanted to see the world) were confined to the walls was definitely a great parallel. It was really fun rewatching the series and noticing all the moments that birds were emphasized
@@mikasasgarden because...visuals would be: Birds -> then boom(some trajedy)...eg Berthold in titan form and the trailer for season 4 with Falco speaking/referring to a bird saying, "...it's dangerous here..." ie the battle field...etc etc
I agree, the ending just made sense, especially with humanity going into war again. Most of the hate for the ending came from that one armin line in the manga and from edgelord yaegerists who wanted eren to be the chad god titan to wipe out humanity. They didnt understand the character at all
Nort really man. Alot of hate also came from how rushed the ending is and how almost all the rules are forgotten with strange plot holes. I really think this ending genuinely ruins the writing and Eren's Character.
@@danko6712 okay tell me what’s wrong wit it?
100% agree. The line in the manga was over focused on and Eren was super misunderstood. There’s a lot people missed I think. Appreciate your comment and support 🙏🏼
@danko6712 what parts did you feel were rushed ?
@@mikasasgarden He probably just means that the ending introduced a lot of important plot details which were never expanded upon nor explained further such as Ymir's relationship with MIkasa. I think it's fine if those things were left up for interpretation
I feel like being Eren is a lot of peoples fantasy. They are angry at the world and they think if they were just more powerful than everybody else combined they could live the life theyve always dreamed of. But violence can never be the answer to violence. Eren tried to solve a problem and never understood that the change had to come from within. The ending is realistic and Eren was trapped in his mind and like you said never free at all.
Honestly super facts. I agree and love the take!
So self defense bad, got it
Really scary
@@randomusername3873 stop 😂
you might already know this, but Isayama has publicly said that "Bystander" is his favorite episode, and the best episode he was lucky enough to be a part of.
Although I love that episode, he seemed to be giving a clue as to the importance of it...and I think you nailed it! Thank you for helping me finally fully understand its full significance.
(Btw I love the rest of your video too! You have more relevant and deep ideas in a 12 minute video than most TH-cam videos express in an hour!)
I remember loving that episode so much and then finding out it was Isayama's favorite had me so excited haha
Thanks so much for the kind words! I'm glad you liked the video. Appreciate you! 🙏🤍
I think I’m lucky I watched attack on titan as my first anime ever, I knew nothing about it besides the colab in FORTNITE. I saw no trailers knew no spoilers, no fan theories between seasons I went in completely blind. It took me 2 weeks to finish the entire series cuz I just couldn’t put it down. And I loved every second of it. The feeling of watching something new and blind at a show of this quality was insane. I had no idea people hated the ending. Until watching this vid. This is also the only vid I’ve seen if someone explaining AOT
Honestly that's a pretty awesome way to get introduced to the show and to anime in general! Watching something blind without being aware of where the community stands definitely is a blessing.
I'm honored to be your first and only explanation video! Hope you enjoyed, really happy you came across it!
You are blessed to have watched AOT without being tainted by haters ruining the experience in between episodes of the last season
Oh my god, finally someone who understands the genius behind the ending. Amazing video
I appreciate you 🤍 glad you enjoyed !
This video is the best summarized explanation of AoT's brilliance I've ever seen
Appreciate the kind words! I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
broooooooo...!
agree.
Kenny’s line is so important for understanding the ending
“Everyone had to spend their lives drunk on something. Everyone was a slave to something… even him”
terrific video, love the pace & presentation throughout
i've watered mikasa's garden 🧑🌾
Thanks so much 🙏🏼 appreciate your support.
LMAO @ the watered mikasa garden 🤣
Finally someone who agrees the ending was actually a genius. But your explanation is very well done which justifies this reason even more.
It was stupid AF I mean what's the meaning of delaying war and distraction why don't just finish one race he already killed 80%. Also ending literally ruined, absolutely butchered Eran's character he went from gigachad to stupid emotional crybaby in one episode. Saying I am stupid,I don't know what I am doing,I don't know why I killed 80% of humanity.
While I did enjoy hearing your analysis and do, in fact, agree that Eren was never actually free, there is still something else to consider. One of the biggest issues is that the ending makes the entire story deterministic. Predeterminism would actually be the most accurate term to describe the laws of aot, based on how it ended. I mean, Eren didn't just see visions of the future; he saw MEMORIES of the future, and that makes the future even more set in stone than just visions or premonitions. Plus, "he" was also able to change or influence events in the past. I put he in quotes there because Eren didn't technically change those events. Because "Eren" changed the past, those subsequent past events are what lead him to get to the point where "he" altered those events (thus making it predetermined). You also did bring up scenes that actually showed us that Eren had no say in the matter; he described times where he wanted to change the future memory he had seen, but he still ended up acting in a way that was conducive to the predetermined events. That's kind of why I didn't love the last few episodes of the series. But I did enjoy watching your video. 😊
But the pretederminism in aot doesn't work like is a greek myth. This isn't an Oedipus situation where Eren tries to change the future and that's what leads to it. Eren can't change the future he sees because deep down it's what he wanted. This is seen really well in the scene with Ramzi. He knows he will save the child at that moment, thinks that if he doesn't he will successfully change the future, and still saves him on his own volition. Because Eren is the type of person that cannot bear to see a child beat up and not do something while being capable of trampling that same child when his own freedom is on the line.
Aot is literally deterministic because of eren himself bro
It’s because he can’t change
Remember the ramzi scene ?
There if he hadn’t saved him then future could have changed but eren saved him because deep down he couldn’t let him be beaten up by those people
Honestly it reminds me of a reflection of addiction. It's the weakness of humans that we can easily know and understand what would be the best choice, or at least a better choice, but we will still choose to dig ourselves in a deeper hole because, well, we are weak in some regards. Our habits/nature rule some of us.
It's... quite meta. As in, Eren's dangerously close to making commentary on being a fictional character devised by a man who draws comics for a living.
@@angelamengualcortinas3614 Predeterminism is still predeterminism regardless of how it is carried out. The reason why I find the ending unsatisfying is because everything became pointless when it was stated that everything has already been set in stone and Eren couldn't change his future or the future of humanity. The author tried the copout of "well, even though it is predetermined it is the future Eren wanted". If Eren did want that future, then why did he "time-travel" into the past to try to change it? The ending makes the story contradict itself. I believe the author got so lost in his own threads that he just wanted a quick ending and move on to another project.
This is the best video about the ending I've seen. I encourage you to make more attack on titan videos. Maybe a broader video about attack on titan that goes over the genius writing touching on all the insane plot twists, foreshadowing, paradoxes, character arcs, etc. Something that I can send to people who don't give it a 10/10 lol, already actually been doing that with this video
Really appreciate that! I will definitely try to make more attack on titan videos in the future. Excited to read the new levi chapter! Thanks so much for your support
I agree I love the ending attack on Titan so much
I love how the closer to the end of the video you get, the more chapters and unnecessary breaks there are. Truly beautiful story telling
Eren has the same motivation of freedom throughout the show, and the only reason it is "futile" is because he keeps learning more and the scope of the situation changes. He has to learn about the outside world and all the new threats. But when he touches Historia's hand and then when he gets the founding titan's powers and begins the rumbling, it is no longer futile. He finally has all the knowledge and all the power necessary to get the freedom he always wanted, to be free of the oppression against him and his people.
Just saying "Eren is childish" is very, reductive. All the examples you give are literally Eren fighting for freedom. He wasn't some suicidal maniac or just extremely childish. He was extremely driven towards his goal of freedom. That's what defines his character. Eren's future visions massively changed him. Why are you saying all the character development not happening is actually part of a good story?
Eren isn't a slave to hatred, and wasn't ever since touching Historia's hand and experiencing life in Marley. A slave to freedom doesn't even make sense, so it's weird people say it so much. He is being oppressed. He wants to be free. This is somehow a bad thing? When he finally gets free, he will no longer need to fight to be free.
You can't talk about Eren being powerful and then say that he has no power. That makes no sense. Either Eren can choose, or he can't. And why does everyone get causation backwards and say that he can't choose because determinism", forgetting that his choices are what determines the outcome.
Ymir can't fathom freedom, but Eren doe so very well, hence being driven towards it.
Eren does utilize his power correctly. The story makes it clear that the entire world is about to go and destroy Paradis. It's them or the world. Eren chooses to save Paradis.
Ymir makes the past titan shifters fight. That isn't standing back and doing nothing.
How would Eren be free by running off with Mikasa? Eren was literally trapped in walls, not free, hence his driving motivation, and only by fighting did he start to escape them.
Mikasa did not let Eren go though. She kissed his head. She constantly visited his grave, dragging her family with her. She was literally buried with her scarf.
It's fine to say it is just the ending which is unenjoyed, but given that the ending retcons so much, it retroactively ruins the rest of the show for many people.
I've always loved the ending. I don't care about the controversy because i know its a masterpiece. Thank you for this video its amazing 🔥
Thank you for watching! Glad you enjoyed the video and the ending 🔥
Reasons to why it’s a terrible ending.
1 How did his friends survive the titans? They lose Sasha to 3 titan shifters and 2 kids but lose no one against 100s of titan shifters?
2. Zeke dying shouldn’t of stopped the rumbling. Ymir’s goal was to destroy the world so why didn’t Ymir just continue the rumbling after zeke died?’
3. Zeke should of stopped the rumbling earlier because his dad telling him “ please stop Eren” didn’t give him motivation to die so he can stop it but armin showing a ball did?
4. How did mikasa free Ymir?😂 and no it isn’t because she was able to kill her lover and move on no no no she didn’t move on for crap she still had that scarf on and got buried next to Eren.
5.Ymir doesn't have Stockholm’s syndrome, if she did why did she not heal herself when a spear went through her? If she had Stockholm’s syndrome she would of had the will to live for the king. Ymir’s character is terrible. She is in the paths because she is a slave to Fritz but disobeyed him ?
6 Eren ch139 (last 30 mins)
“ I’m an idiot”
“I don’t know why I did the
rumbling”
“ I moved forward for mikasas choice”
“ I did it to portray u as heroes” 💀💀💀💀
“ I would of killed them all if u didn’t stop me”
Pre ch139
“Ill keep moving forward until I destroy my enemies “
“The only way to end the cycle of hatred is to bury it”😂
7.Ain’t no soul answering this question. If Ymir can see the future then why did Ymir wait till mikasa kills Eren who somehow frees her when she can see the future and knows that mikasa will kill Eren? Why did she wait for it to happen when she knows what the result is? She should of been free since she entered paths
8. What was the point of destroying 80%? eldia got destroyed. What did he achieve by doing that? He made the outer world hate eldians more and doomed paradises safety which he promised ( Eren only cared about Eldias safety not cycle of hatred so eldia bombing themselves is irrelevant for him)
9. What was the reason for the rumbling ?
It defo wasn’t to make them look like hero’s because Eren said if u didn’t stop me I would of killed them all which is a contradiction.
10. Erens mom death was pointless. He already said he killed her because it wasn’t bertholdt time yet which means it wasn’t to fuel his hate for titans💀He already had the determination to lead him were he already is. When mikasa’s parents got killed he said “ if anyone tried to take away my freedom I won’t hesitate to take theirs” he also said to his dad that the kidnappers were scum and animals that needed to die. Eren before his moms death wanted to join the survey corps and venture outside the walls. If he found out the world wants to kill him he would of started the rumbling because they tried to take his freedom and we knew what Eren thinks about that. Erens view of freedom was killing everyone outside the walls so he 100% has the determination to do the rumbling. (Anyone who says Eren view of freedom wasn’t killing everyone u need to rewatch the last episode where he was talking to ramzi the kid
11. In ch130 ( episode where the ships get destroyed in Marley) Eren thinks about his mom getting eaten by the titan and it being his main motivation for the rumbling which makes no sense since Eren should know that he killed his mom because this is when he sent armin to paths and told him everything.
12.The whole Eren at the cabin scene. How did eren interact with mikasas memories? She is an Ackerman he Shouldn't be able to do that. people who are saying this is a different timeline pls provide ur proof. If it is a different timeline why does Eren have titan marks? Why do they also grow bigger the closer Eren gets to death? They become massive when she is holding erens head representing that it was a fake memory. The bigger the titans marks the closer she gets to reality
13. Eren crying like a baby for mikasa is a retcon. When did Eren ever cry like this for mikasa? He alway pushed mikasa away from him. When Eren found out he has a 8 years to live mikasa was in jail with him, did he care about her then? No he didn’t even care about mikasa when he found out he dosnt have long left to live even isayama said mikasa is a mother figure for him so how exactly does him crying like a baby fit his character?
14. Eren said to armin he will show them the memories after he gets killed but shows it to mikasa before he gets killed?
15. How did Eren turn into the collosal titan after zeke died and the worm left him ?😂😂😂
16. There was literally no point in the rumbling, the outside worlds wants to kill then because their just eldian. What makes Eren think destroying 80% of the world then letting armin kill you to look like a hero does? Stop them from hating eldians? No😂 they will hate u more
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People hate the ending because they think it was all for nothing. But they fail to realise that's exactly why it's the perfect finale
We hate the ending because of how they handle eren character in the finale
They changed him into an idiot loser
Before the eren crying scene, Eren was a guy who literally ripped off his leg and eyes for the future of paradise
@@titasreference964And? What, you think someone can't have regrets and insecurities while also being capable of doing badass things?
@@titasreference964 Boo hoo, Eren cried about the fact he’ll never see his loved ones again. He’s not a chad anymore wah wah
It feels like a complete waste of time, a decade long investment. What was the point of all that fighting? Eren is a tragic character, with the addition of Mikasa's descendant and the creation of a new line of titans by Eren (Titan tree). They should have stuck with the original manga ending...it all feels so rushed (new ending) in attempt to prolong the story further for money.
@vintage2983 The point was that Eren did end the threat of the titans for a long time and most of the people he loved lived happy lives. He was never going to secure eternal peace or ensure Paradis survived forever because human beings fight each other. The whole point of Armin's chat with Zeke was pointing out that tiny, beautiful things make life worth living in a world of cruelty, and that his (and by extension Eren's) obsession with purpose and inability to enjoy those things ruined both of them.
The ending was epic, people just don't even understand the meaning of "WAR". Erwin explained it best in season 2: "there can only be peace when there's only 1 human left on this earth" - so no matter what Eren does or doesn't do (wiping 100% of humanity excepts for Paradis) - they will start their own civil war like what we've seen earlier in the show.
Reasons to why it’s a terrible ending.
1 How did his friends survive the titans? They lose Sasha to 3 titan shifters and 2 kids but lose no one against 100s of titan shifters?
2. Zeke dying shouldn’t of stopped the rumbling. Ymir’s goal was to destroy the world so why didn’t Ymir just continue the rumbling after zeke died?’
3. Zeke should of stopped the rumbling earlier because his dad telling him “ please stop Eren” didn’t give him motivation to die so he can stop it but armin showing a ball did?
4. How did mikasa free Ymir?😂 and no it isn’t because she was able to kill her lover and move on no no no she didn’t move on for crap she still had that scarf on and got buried next to Eren.
5.Ymir doesn't have Stockholm’s syndrome, if she did why did she not heal herself when a spear went through her? If she had Stockholm’s syndrome she would of had the will to live for the king. Ymir’s character is terrible. She is in the paths because she is a slave to Fritz but disobeyed him ?
6 Eren ch139 (last 30 mins)
“ I’m an idiot”
“I don’t know why I did the
rumbling”
“ I moved forward for mikasas choice”
“ I did it to portray u as heroes” 💀💀💀💀
“ I would of killed them all if u didn’t stop me”
Pre ch139
“Ill keep moving forward until I destroy my enemies “
“The only way to end the cycle of hatred is to bury it”😂
7.Ain’t no soul answering this question. If Ymir can see the future then why did Ymir wait till mikasa kills Eren who somehow frees her when she can see the future and knows that mikasa will kill Eren? Why did she wait for it to happen when she knows what the result is? She should of been free since she entered paths
8. What was the point of destroying 80%? eldia got destroyed. What did he achieve by doing that? He made the outer world hate eldians more and doomed paradises safety which he promised ( Eren only cared about Eldias safety not cycle of hatred so eldia bombing themselves is irrelevant for him)
9. What was the reason for the rumbling ?
It defo wasn’t to make them look like hero’s because Eren said if u didn’t stop me I would of killed them all which is a contradiction.
10. Erens mom death was pointless. He already said he killed her because it wasn’t bertholdt time yet which means it wasn’t to fuel his hate for titans💀He already had the determination to lead him were he already is. When mikasa’s parents got killed he said “ if anyone tried to take away my freedom I won’t hesitate to take theirs” he also said to his dad that the kidnappers were scum and animals that needed to die. Eren before his moms death wanted to join the survey corps and venture outside the walls. If he found out the world wants to kill him he would of started the rumbling because they tried to take his freedom and we knew what Eren thinks about that. Erens view of freedom was killing everyone outside the walls so he 100% has the determination to do the rumbling. (Anyone who says Eren view of freedom wasn’t killing everyone u need to rewatch the last episode where he was talking to ramzi the kid
11. In ch130 ( episode where the ships get destroyed in Marley) Eren thinks about his mom getting eaten by the titan and it being his main motivation for the rumbling which makes no sense since Eren should know that he killed his mom because this is when he sent armin to paths and told him everything.
12.The whole Eren at the cabin scene. How did eren interact with mikasas memories? She is an Ackerman he Shouldn't be able to do that. people who are saying this is a different timeline pls provide ur proof. If it is a different timeline why does Eren have titan marks? Why do they also grow bigger the closer Eren gets to death? They become massive when she is holding erens head representing that it was a fake memory. The bigger the titans marks the closer she gets to reality
13. Eren crying like a baby for mikasa is a retcon. When did Eren ever cry like this for mikasa? He alway pushed mikasa away from him. When Eren found out he has a 8 years to live mikasa was in jail with him, did he care about her then? No he didn’t even care about mikasa when he found out he dosnt have long left to live even isayama said mikasa is a mother figure for him so how exactly does him crying like a baby fit his character?
14. Eren said to armin he will show them the memories after he gets killed but shows it to mikasa before he gets killed?
15. How did Eren turn into the collosal titan after zeke died and the worm left him ?😂😂😂
16. There was literally no point in the rumbling, the outside worlds wants to kill then because their just eldian. What makes Eren think destroying 80% of the world then letting armin kill you to look like a hero does? Stop them from hating eldians? No😂 they will hate u more
@@aotgoat3267 by you just asking the 1st question then I already know that you don't understand the whole story at all. Eren is just another arrogant, selfish and a fool (which 80% of us are) that wants nothing but to see his friends and the people he cared for on the island live longer, so why would Ymir and Eren let their own titans kill off his friends ???
@@LukeNguyen174 Eren already got his friends killed😂😂😂 Sasha and hange💀😂😂
Sasha dies because according to Eren's future memories-which bounds to happen and out of his control, if he hadn't execute the attack on Marley, Sasha and his friends will be alive for a few more months before the entire world execute their attack on Paradis, which would have been too late -Sasha's death was crucial for this to happen and Eren knows it (Hence the laugh in S4 part 1 where he failed to stop his visions to becoming reality)
-Fun fact for you, she was meant to die in Season 2 when she saved that little girl Kaya, the Titan was meant to use his hands and crack her head in two but the editor broke down in tears and begged Isayama to prolong her life even further to this point
@@aotgoat3267 Hange dies because that's her own free will, is to "Exit in the coolest way possible" while bursting out the tears of joy and curiosity, she was ready to meet Erwin and her comrades
Exactly. Eren was no genius or tactical or battle mastermind. He was just an above average kid. Heck, if he wasn’t a titan shifter his story would’ve ended in the Santa Claus titan.
Ik this vid is old, another point that people seem to miss, the boy walking into the tree was not chased in there by people hurting him, hunting him, hes curious and he has a little dog companion, a completely different circumstance from ymir going into the tree. also the singing when the scene is taking place translated is repeating the sentiment "children getting out of the forest". Its a bleak, nihilistic, brutal ending, but there is the chance for optimism, maybe the story we witnessed was for nothing...or it planted the seeds for a possibly better future.
This was a brilliant analysis. Been watching many videos analyzing the ending ever since it aired almost 3 months ago and you've brought up elements that I had not seen so far but that make perfect sense
Thank you so much! I’m really glad you liked it, this comment means a lot. My goal was to touch on things that others hadn’t already so I’m happy to hear I did 🙏🏼
is that really the theme of the story that isayama came up with? "war never ends, humans will always fight" or is that just a easy copout for a character that he completely ruined when he made eren say "its all because im an idiot". If the theme really is that war never ends, why did he make eren do all these things and suffer in his life in order to complete the rumbling, but in the end have him state that he did it just because he wanted to. Is that how humans act during war? Are wars started and ended just because "they can" ?? Is the boy at the tree in the end gonna start a rumbling again and state on his deathbed "I did all this because im an idiot"? Its a tone-deaf way to approach the theme of a continuous loop that forgets to acknowledge that you have to have true motivations for war. Violence isnt started because you want to see the world burn, its done due to suffering that you have faced. Its because your mom died, your house gets destroyed, your city gets toppled. All things that motivated eren to go and accomplish his goal of revenge. But in the end you have to forget all these motivations and realize that its all for nothing, its all a facade for a boy that just wanted to do it just because. What a idiotic end to one of the greatest stories ever, a theme that was so forced by bad writing that people had to resort to calling it the point of the story. The theme has always been fight, fight no matter what you face or what is blocking your way.
its a 3 step clock cycle (war restoration peace) that the human race has followed and always will follow you sound like an idealistic ignorant idiot. Eren was an idiot from the start of the show and then started seeing past present and future all at once, even if you were a genius your brain would be in shambles. The point of Eren killing the world was really simple, to let his family live in the time of restoration and peace, a freedom that Eren chased but could only give to his family and friends and well 20% of the population, and your idea of "fight fight no matter what" is only a piece of the human endurance which is just a human nature its just best showcased when people are in times of war. its not an overarching theme; the overarching theme being the cycles that humans operate in, and as long as life prevails, so does death. Its just funny to me that you think you know how to wrap up Hajimes absolute masterpiece of a story better than the genius himself who spent his life working on it, and clearly knew where he was going from the start.
PS: when I speak of "the cycles" Im referring to far more than the clock cycle I spoke of at the beginning things like the repetition of shortcomings and dream chasing and inabilites, and failures through stupidity, a trait demonstrated by all but most obviously a parallel drawn between Ymir, and Eren. Or how temporary it all is, theres much to "cycles" and I didnt realize until making this that it would likely fly over the head of someone of your intellectual caliber: you.
@@data7170ah yes, he went crazy when he accessed the paths, unlike all the named character in the story that did the same thing without loosing their minds, lol
@@randomusername3873 so I take it your an idiot?
@@randomusername3873 oh wow another dun ce who thinks they know how to finish a masterpiece better than its creator. Sadly youtube has the dumbest anti keyword and flags the most base line insults. So im not repeating my 2 page essay to you sadly only my PS will be your argument as your even more unintelligent than the commentor I responded to if you genuinely could only muster up that as an argument, which in itself is only proof of your inability to pay attention to anyone and anything but the main character.
Fr bruh, people don’t see the beauty of this show before they would put it down for its controversial ending. You said it right that they are slaves to their expectations lol. The symbolism in the show was beautiful, as well as the pace and development.
Great essay, made me think (even though I already loved the ending). A side note about the "I'll kill them all!" line. Even if you disregard time loop shenanigans and take him as only meaning Titans... it's still a chilling portent. Eren was always shown as intensely hateful and violent in a way that freaked out people around him, many of whom had lost just as much as him. It was accepted by them because he was either their friend or a useful ally, and by us because he's the protagonist. It's no surprise (okay, I was surprised, but with hindsight) that his genocidal rage didn't abate just because the conflict turned out to be with the rest of humanity. It's like you said, he never grew out of that childish impulse that he could only solve problems with violence.
For real. I’m rewatching the show currently and damn, Eren’s character really hit different the second time around. In season 4, we all hate Gabi, but she essentially who Eren is in seasons 1-3, but we didn’t hate him then. He was the hero, overcoming the enemies and fighting for his friends. It isn’t until Gabi feels that same hatred towards the characters we know and love and Eren starts going off the deep end that we start to question it. But the red flags were always there. His extremism was just aimed at those who the narrative showed to be enemies, but in Eren’s mind that narrative changes to be the rest of the world.
TEN YEARS AT LEAST
Ellen becomes bird (crying)
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All you're doing is interpreting bad writing as good writing, by clinging to the analogy of Eren being a moth or genuinely insane.
Cool idea, but your points are either 80% head canon or speculation throughout the video.
People are open to have their own interpretations and enjoy their own shows for whatever reasons, but in terms of raw writing.
The ending of attack on titan is extremely sub-par at best.
I can fully explain why Attack on Titan's ending is one of the worst endings in recent series and fiction. It's unironically a failure of an ending.
I'll sum it up in a couple points.
1 - Characters suddenly losing their previous characterization for the sake of plot
By the ending of Attack on Titan, multiple of the main characters (and I'll address a few of the main ones) entirely fold or negate their previous character traits or characterization.
Not in a logical progression either, but in a literal (suddenly this character is no longer this) way.
1.1 (Eren) It makes no sense that the most straightforward and determined character from childhood, Eren Yaeger, would suddenly decide that his plan of the rumbling half-way through is a bad thing to do because his "friends deserve the ability to fight his decision". That's some Fairy Tale logic a reader would never expect from the likes of a world as dark and bleak as Attack on titan. Sure you could argue it as him being emotional. But realistically, he isn't stupid and Eren's already stated multiple times in the story that if he doesn't end all threats to Paradis, Paradis and the rest of the Eldians will be killed, to include all his friends and home. Already having been depicted to be the character willing to do anything for the result they want, it makes no sense that Eren would even consider stopping the rumbling. In character, it only makes sense if he either fully did it or didn't do it at all. In section 3, I'll get to why Eren pulling back his decision of the rumbling makes even less sense.
1.2 (Armin) Armin is depicted to be the brains of Attack on Titan and one of the smartest characters in the verse along with Hanji and Erwin. Of all characters, Armin should last person (in-character) to not see why Eren is being morally gray and why he is pursuing an idea like the rumbling. Armin is no doubt dumb enough to believe that with a little bit of peace talk, the rest of the world is gonna leave Eldians alone when they have either full control or the full potential to control weapons of mass destruction (Rumbling Titans). Technology is gradually outpacing the regular titan shifters, so the Eldians would reasonably become more of a slave class than before, if not eradicated entirely just to be safe about it. In this scenario, it makes sense that if you want the Eldians to survive with the limited span of a Shifter's lifetime, is to launch the Rumbling, removing all enemies of Paradis. Armin should already understand this (in character) and him asking Eren "What are you doing?" as if he doesn't understand or is somehow incapable of this line of thinking, is writing Armin purposely aloof for the sake of plot and making Eren look villainous. It's pretty stupid overall.
It would have been more realistic for Armin to recognize why Eren believes the Rumbling was fully necessary, and for him to try to think of another path to take that would avoid losing so many lives but achieving a similar goal to Eren's, the ultimate protection of Paradis and the Eldians
1.3 (Mikasa) A character whose main reason for living is the Main Character, Eren, and whose 50% of their dialogue is literally "Eren" is (spoiler alert) --------- going to try to kill and follow through with killing Eren because he's killing people that belong to a society that would gladly kill him? She's the ride or die of Attack on Titan. The only realistic way Mikasa would ever aim to (in character) kill Eren would be if Eren killed Armin. And even then, she'd more likely just be distraught instead. Mikasa was already stated multiple times to not care about people other than Eren and Armin. Her characterization is overall detached so the author suddenly writing her to care about the entire humanity of the world (especially when she already knew the cruelty and unfairness of it by her parents being killed extremely early into the series, all for the sake of a "positive ending" is horrible on the author's character consistency and overall character writing.
2 - Gabi (ever being written and the amount of plot points she somehow influenced as a Mary Sue)
2.1 Is a regular kid soldier that somehow used aimbot level reactions to instantly snipe Eren's neck (mid movement) (this is something most of the readers could literally only imagine Levi himself pulling off, not a kid soldier with zero amped abilities or powers.
2.2 Killed Sasha, again being overly cracked for a child soldier
2.3 Arguably pulling off feats you'd think an awakened Ackerman would be doing, when she's not even an Ackerman. See 2.1
2.4 Again surviving situations that you'd only think an awakened Ackerman would survive, for the sake of plot and keeping screen time / story focus.
People may argue that Gabi isn't a Mary Sue because she isn't literally perfect. Sure, but anyone who's read AoT can surely tell you her aim is beyond her years, she can pull of feats that make literally no sense unless it was someone far more specialized doing it, and yes this is the worst character written in the entirety of Attack on Titan.
Again, going back to the main point that the Author is willing to do anything to the characters, even creating poor ones, to propel the plot or keep the narrative going as intended. This is the case, even if it outright lowers the qualities of new or existing characters in the series.
3 - Time Travel and Time-based abilities
An easy way to ruin a story's verse is adding things that never needed to be there. An even better method of doing that is those things last minute. Even worse is when those things don't add to the story and actually do more to take away from it. And at that point, you have Attack on Titan's time manipulation.
(Talking directly to the ability of the Prime Attack Titan's power to affect future and past memories and influence the plot of the world by influencing people directly to make different decisions and bend to the whim of the strongest titan or in Eren's case, himself.
So the author's really telling us that Eren warped through time to simply fold on his own plan that he had all the time in the world to think about, because it suddenly seemed not so nice and not so kind? You literally have plot manipulation my guy, the last person running back on their decisions should be the person capable of seeing and influencing past and future events to control the course of multiple major arcs and history in the world.
Imagine controlling your own timeline, killing half the population in it, just to redact your whole cosigning of it, when you already control the timeline and could've just avoided it yourself? Lmao. Can't get more convoluted than this. This is major flaw and part of the reason why this ability didn't need to be in the story at all.
Not only was it bad to involve Time Travel / Time Manipulation in the Attack on Titan universe, because it isn't needed. But it was poorly handled and makes absolutely zero sense that a character with timeline manipulation would change their opinion on something randomly when they had all the time to think about it in the world.
Because of all of this poor writing, characters folding against their original beliefs, and including of trash and unnecessary abilities in the AoT verse, Eldians and Paradis was destroyed in the end.
Who'd of thought?
This is exactly what happens when an author goes for a massively symbolic and overly "meaningful" ending that fails to keep to the series itself. Ultimately ends up coming up as a flop and looking trash in the eyes of the majority of the viewers and people who liked the series to begin with.
Also, ultimately any story is written and created for the purpose of someone else to experience it. If the experiences of those people that liked the series conclude that the ending was trash. It pretty much is. Just like a chef cooking, what the guest actually tastes is what matters, not what the person cooking planned the dish to taste like or the combination they thought the seasonings would create.
For these reasons, I will say the ending portion of Attack on Titan drastically fell off and the ending is probably one of the worst I've seen in any series. It's unfortunate too, because Attack on Titan was and is easily one of my favorite series of all time.
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The greatest thing this show accomplished in the end was that it made stupid people feel smart 🤣🤦🏻.
I firmly believe that whoever disliked the ending, didn't actually like or pay attention to aot. No other explaination tbh
I would like to disagree, the ending heavily contradicted the buildup to that point in the story:
Eren mentioned numerous times that the cycle of hatred can only be eliminated if all life outside the walls were eliminated. Then he suddenly switched to 80% and then claims that his reasoning is because "hes an idiot".
@cobraz3845 false, he didn't switch to 80%, he said that the plan was to destroy everything but paradis, but in the future he saw that he would have been stopped when he had already destroyed 80% of the world and was happy with that because it meant paradis would be save for his friends' lifespan. Also realized that the hatred can't be stopped for a long time (even inside the walls there were factions that killed each other), he just wanted to make his friends' lives better and "free", doesn't care about the future. He's an egoistic character and did an egoistic act, no contradictions.
Reasons to why it’s a terrible ending.
1 How did his friends survive the titans? They lose Sasha to 3 titan shifters and 2 kids but lose no one against 100s of titan shifters?
2. Zeke dying shouldn’t of stopped the rumbling. Ymir’s goal was to destroy the world so why didn’t Ymir just continue the rumbling after zeke died?’
3. Zeke should of stopped the rumbling earlier because his dad telling him “ please stop Eren” didn’t give him motivation to die so he can stop it but armin showing a ball did?
4. How did mikasa free Ymir?😂 and no it isn’t because she was able to kill her lover and move on no no no she didn’t move on for crap she still had that scarf on and got buried next to Eren.
5.Ymir doesn't have Stockholm’s syndrome, if she did why did she not heal herself when a spear went through her? If she had Stockholm’s syndrome she would of had the will to live for the king. Ymir’s character is terrible. She is in the paths because she is a slave to Fritz but disobeyed him ?
6 Eren ch139 (last 30 mins)
“ I’m an idiot”
“I don’t know why I did the
rumbling”
“ I moved forward for mikasas choice”
“ I did it to portray u as heroes” 💀💀💀💀
“ I would of killed them all if u didn’t stop me”
Pre ch139
“Ill keep moving forward until I destroy my enemies “
“The only way to end the cycle of hatred is to bury it”😂
7.Ain’t no soul answering this question. If Ymir can see the future then why did Ymir wait till mikasa kills Eren who somehow frees her when she can see the future and knows that mikasa will kill Eren? Why did she wait for it to happen when she knows what the result is? She should of been free since she entered paths
8. What was the point of destroying 80%? eldia got destroyed. What did he achieve by doing that? He made the outer world hate eldians more and doomed paradises safety which he promised ( Eren only cared about Eldias safety not cycle of hatred so eldia bombing themselves is irrelevant for him)
9. What was the reason for the rumbling ?
It defo wasn’t to make them look like hero’s because Eren said if u didn’t stop me I would of killed them all which is a contradiction.
10. Erens mom death was pointless. He already said he killed her because it wasn’t bertholdt time yet which means it wasn’t to fuel his hate for titans💀He already had the determination to lead him were he already is. When mikasa’s parents got killed he said “ if anyone tried to take away my freedom I won’t hesitate to take theirs” he also said to his dad that the kidnappers were scum and animals that needed to die. Eren before his moms death wanted to join the survey corps and venture outside the walls. If he found out the world wants to kill him he would of started the rumbling because they tried to take his freedom and we knew what Eren thinks about that. Erens view of freedom was killing everyone outside the walls so he 100% has the determination to do the rumbling. (Anyone who says Eren view of freedom wasn’t killing everyone u need to rewatch the last episode where he was talking to ramzi the kid
11. In ch130 ( episode where the ships get destroyed in Marley) Eren thinks about his mom getting eaten by the titan and it being his main motivation for the rumbling which makes no sense since Eren should know that he killed his mom because this is when he sent armin to paths and told him everything.
12.The whole Eren at the cabin scene. How did eren interact with mikasas memories? She is an Ackerman he Shouldn't be able to do that. people who are saying this is a different timeline pls provide ur proof. If it is a different timeline why does Eren have titan marks? Why do they also grow bigger the closer Eren gets to death? They become massive when she is holding erens head representing that it was a fake memory. The bigger the titans marks the closer she gets to reality
13. Eren crying like a baby for mikasa is a retcon. When did Eren ever cry like this for mikasa? He alway pushed mikasa away from him. When Eren found out he has a 8 years to live mikasa was in jail with him, did he care about her then? No he didn’t even care about mikasa when he found out he dosnt have long left to live even isayama said mikasa is a mother figure for him so how exactly does him crying like a baby fit his character?
14. Eren said to armin he will show them the memories after he gets killed but shows it to mikasa before he gets killed?
15. How did Eren turn into the collosal titan after zeke died and the worm left him ?😂😂😂
16. There was literally no point in the rumbling, the outside worlds wants to kill then because their just eldian. What makes Eren think destroying 80% of the world then letting armin kill you to look like a hero does? Stop them from hating eldians? No😂 they will hate u more
Additional:
In s2 ep 12 why was Dina there?💀💀 the wall rose never fell. She’s meant to be in wall Maria. Only the titans zeke created should be in wall rose.
@@lorenzodidac465bro he knew what would happen the second he got the founding titan power activated😂💀😂😂
@aotgoat3267 man you are just the average twitter user that would send death treats for fun to mappa staff♿️
Literally every point that isn't ymir related is explained in the show and makes sense and every character is always in-character, you just misunderstood eren and didn't pay much attention to the show I guess.
For the ymir ones there is ambiguity since it is a freakin mute character, how do you expect to make a fair point on the psychology of a mute 2000 years old character lol, that's just dumb. You can criticize the concept of said character, which is a deus ex machina, but you can't make real concrete points about her in the story, a fanboy could make shit up and you couldn't demonstrate him being wrong since we know nothing about her. It was a cheeky way to shortcut and justify a lot of stuff, not the best but it works 🤷🏻♂️
Stay mad and rewatch it since you just proved my point lol
I loved the ending. So much. Many tears cried. But also, I was really disappointed with how side-lined Historia was. Her character never felt fully fleshed out after her losing Ymir and killing her father and becoming queen (even just proxy queen). By the end it was great that she was happy in motherhood, but that was ALSO forced on her just in case they needed to continue passing on titans. I really really wanted just a little something to wrap up her character. Annie felt a little jipped too. I mean, think of how much Reiner was developed. Albeit Annie was in crystal for years, but also something felt missing. I LOVED Annie. Would have loved to see more with her, too
She wasn't forced into motherhood, she chose it so that she could avoid inheriting the beast titan by delaying it long enough that Eren could go through with the rumbling thus making it no longer necessary to inherit it.
I get that Eren was supposed to have been a slave to his nature, but I don't understand how a character that doesn't change or learn anything is interesting. It's just not a very good character arc.
In the end, the show tries reallllyyy hard to make me empathize with a genocidal asshole and it just doesn't work at all.
The idea that killing someone like Eren at the end is presented is a difficult decision...idk that just came across as kinda laughable to me.
how did Mikasa get back to the island with Eren's decapitated head decomposing did she walk across on the ocean
the flying boat got destroyed we saw that in the anime I'm just curious if anyone can tell me
I'm pretty sure they did not show the scouts arriving on the island in anime
I guess isayama didn't know how to explain it so he's just put a three year time skip problem solve
lol you guys gotta stop defending this and just admit that are some flaws in the ending that doesn't make any sense
a example will be when eren ask reinar why he's mom had to die when he knew the answer to that the question
This same question can even be raised on how Eren ran away from the scouts and stayed in Marley. Dumb to nitpick on something thay does not even matter to the story as a whole, "oh how did she reach Paradise?" .
@@Tatakhae exactly bad writing it's a plot hole it's doesn't make sense
You can't replied cuz it is bad writing
@@Tatakhaethat's not a nitpick, lol
The fact that she was even allowed back on the Island is insane
I thought it was perfect and kinda the only way they could have ended it. Imagine being, they're 19 by then end right? Don't quote me but all the sudden he gets the power to see the past present and future all at once, and all the trauma on top of that, I mean how would you deal? It's the stuff I think people forget.
Agreed. People forget that Eren literally is still at teenager dealing with trauma at 19. I’m not sure why some people think it’s so controversial for Eren to feel like he’s an idiot, because the reality is, why should we expect at 19 year old to know how to solve global centuries-old issues of conflict, violence and racism?
I see where you coming from bro but naw bruh ending was still ass ain't no lack of understanding cus you missed hella plot holes and everything before ending was 10/10 but ending was still horrible af
Can't believe it's over what a journey it was. It will always be close to my heart and remain my favorite story. Believe me or not i was before watching it i used to be kind of a hater and I never would've guessed it would be the best watch experience i had watching a show. this was a amazing analysis
I've never understood the hate the ending received
I think Eren never got more choices on pursuing his freedom, saving his friends, fighting Marley or ending the Titans even if he not used Rumbling but lived his life peacefully as we can see on one last scene with Eren and Mikasa where both are living together but then Marley army attacked Paradise Island..Imagine seeing all the future alternatives where only massacre is a choice to save your friends but you with your human emotions can’t act on it this contradiction is what Eren felt when seeing all the future scenes.
I gotta agree with you on this point Eren represents Us Humanity with all the contradictions.
Loved this video I think Isayama wanted the show this as you’ve explained.
Attack on Titan overall 9/10 story, 5/10 manga ending, 7/10 anime ending.
Perfect? Nope.
no matter what u say the ending is anything but perfect
The mental gymnastics AOT fans tell themselves to justify an ambiguous ending is wild. Switching themes past the midpoint of the story is a recipe for mediocre writing which is what this show became. Stop defending the indefensible look many video essays there are parroting that this show is masterpiece its so cringe. You Fanatic fans need an echo chamber, cause no one who watched the show is going to rate this a 10 with that bozo ending. *the story intentionally ends unresolved- OMG its perfect a masterpiece.... yikes AOT fans how far you've fallen
Literally so true
I love how it's accepted that the titans will come back, like wtf
Aot ending is ass the only thing you need to Unterstand that is a brain which many of the aot stans dont have
Show is meh
eding is bullcrap
You are speaking the truth, Eren was always imposed and was always doomed to the path he was going for. The rumbling was a perfect example of pointless action done by a person who never grew up and refused to see beyond the world they see. The only problem I had was the fall of Paradis. I strongly believe that Paradis should have been destroyed in the manga over the anime destruction of Paradis, it gives me a bad taste in my mouth that 1000s years have passed by yet Paradis still stands in peace without paying a price for the rumbling gives a horrible message and this part of the Manga is the one thing I want to keep. It makes more sense that only 50 years have pass instead of 1000s.
How man ?, the 20% humanity left, they need time to recover from the rumbling first, before attacking paradis again, this explains the 1000s years, and finally they nuke the island just for revenge and payback...thus continues the cycle of hate.
In the manga, the author added 5 pages that showed paradis getting destroyed in like 50yrs. In the anime it transitioned way better into that part. Also armin saying we'll join you in hell instead of thanking eren for killing 80% of the world was way better. Mikasa romance and ymirs stockholm syndrome is still mad cringey but what can you do
Mikasa is literal npc only things say Eren! But mikasa s1 better than this ermika fan fiction ending story is about end cycle of hatred/racism not a love story .That's way extra confirms people who read knows this will happen before it was add
I don’t really agree much since I think it would diminish the rest of the allies and paradis who didn’t condone the rumbling and tried to stop him. They were set up at the end to try and negotiate peace talks with both sides and it’s nicer to know they had some amount of success rather than none. I can partially agree that it’s weird they went all the way to futuristic before war struck again it should’ve been only a couple hundred years, but I do think it’s a harsher end to have paradis get destroyed immidietly because not everyone in paradis is responsible. It’s the same as saying the rumbling was deserved because the every person in the world is responsible for eldian oppression
@maxlewis234 its less about it being deserved and more about the fact, other countries in the world would most likely want retribution for what happened. I can imagine a ceasefire happening since they might still be afraid of the titans but once they realize their out of the picture, their leaders and government might use that as a chance to get revenge on paradis
Attack on titan is one of the greatest stories ever told. It asks questions that most authors are afraid to ask, and because of this it is up there with the works of people like J.R.R Tolkien and Shakespeare.
Bro do not compare it to Shakespeare
All the questions it asks has already been done before it's a good anime with a good premise but nowhere near the big 3 let alone Shakespeare
Honestly I agree with this lmao my personal opinion is that it’s probably one of the best stories ever told across all mediums
@@StudioReinernowhere near the big 3? That's crazy
wdym the big 3 are the big 3 for a reason aot not surpassing them anytime soon if ever@@user-qx1id1dt8x
What kinda crack you are sniffing?
This video is amazing. It summarizes all of the complex themes and motivations in such a concise way. Wow, just wow. Hats off to you, sir.
Thanks so much, I’m glad you liked it 🙏🏼 appreciate the kind words
Those people who think that the ending of AOT was perfect, they don't know anything about writing imo.
I am sure that these people will also say that the ending of Game of Thrones was perfect🤣🤣
That was a nice video (although the narration a bit too fast for me). I agree with the overall analysis as I had almost zero complaints with the ending myself.
Appreciate your comment and the critique about the narration being fast. Will try to keep it in mind for future videos 🙏🏼 glad you liked the video !
@@mikasasgarden I made the critique with good intentions. The fast-paced narration is a quite common style in youtube. I don't feel comfortable with it, even in my native language, but maybe it's just a personal preference.
Again, that was an interesting analysis about AoT's ending!
All very true:
Except I, as a aot ending non-enjoyer, have never complained about any of these things.
My problems are what follows:
Mikasa went from literally needing a retconned tattoo on the wrist to have any significance into the story other than sucking eren's dick to being the most important character in the story.
Ymir is apparently in love with fritz, ah yes, I remember every time it was set up in the story a grand total of 0 times.
Can we also forget "only ymir knows" as an explanation which has the same ring as "I forgot" in SAO in the aincrad arc finale of "daenerys kinda forgot" of GoT finale.
Reiner losing any fight he's ever had in the show to suddenly achieving mastered ultra instinct on eren's back doing.
Homeboy couldn't defeat eren with the help of Porco two days before.
Suddenly we come to know that Pieck can transform countless times, I remember all the 0 times this was mentioned in the story.
The fact that the Warhammer titan on eren's back just stabs and holds the cart titan for an unspecified amount of time instead of actually killing her.
The whole main cast now being on the level of Levi and Mikasa managing to survive the battle of heaven and earth without a scratch.
Levi having a raging hate boner for Zeke for killing erwin and his men but not the lightest problem with Annie who killed his whole squad.
The ending retroactively makes eren a fucking hypocrite "Reiner, tell me, why did my mother die that day?", bro because you killed her why are you asking reiner.
Eren so much of an idiot that managed to come up with the same plan as Lelouch from Code Geass one the smartest character in anime history.
After zeke's death the rumbling stops but eren still can controll the founding titan for some unspecified reason.
After the fight the Hallucigenia magically disappears even tho the armored titan was hugging her.
The marleans not shooting armin & Co after the tells them they've lost all powers.
To the eyes of the marleans the eldians have just annihilated 80% of human population.
*how* did Mikasa go back to Paradis? She swam?
These are the problems with the ending, not anything you mentioned.
And no, if something is 99 out of 100 is not perfect by definition.
Most of things you pointed out are nitpicks lol.
Amazing video, thank you❤
Glad you liked it! Thank you for watching 🤍
I am.scared to say, but the more I think about it, the true main character is Mikasa, and Eren was the driving force of her journey.
Everything was riding on Mikasa, what she did and how she did it would lead to either the end of the Rumbling, or to the end of humanity completely
She changes through the show, despite her love for Eren. Eren may be seen as the main character, but the thing is Eren never really changed. He was never given the chance or the choice to change.
In reality, Eren is was the unwilling villain while Mikasa was the unintentional heroine of the story. They both need each other, yet only one was going to actuallybring Ymir peace, and in the end, it was Mikasa's act of killing the love of her life that ended everything.
so much of this video is straight up wrong, i really really can’t understand how people enjoy the ending.
Perfect perfect perfect AOT is perfect ❤❤❤ finally I found someone who truly understood the ending 🤧🤧🤧🤧🤧🤧😐
THANK YOU SO MUCH OH MY GOD THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING AAAAAAAAAAAAH perfect video, great delivery and audio quality, solid editing and beautiful analysis! Now go watch FD signifier and ROAR AND SCREAM like I did.
I’m glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks so much! I appreciate the kind words. I just searched the video you’re talking about up on TH-cam and from the title and thumbnail alone I’m already prepared to scream 😭
The issue with all this is that the "fate" is never explained and that it goes against the entire idea of "making choices in the moment". After the ending everything before that feels set in stone, like nothing ever mattered. After he got the founder, there should not be any "set in stone" fate but for some reason without explanation there still was. Pair this with some straight up plot issues that were never explained (Mikasa forgetting paths being the biggest one) and you just have a lot of unexplained issues riddling an otherwise good ending on paper. It could have been great but as it is, it's mediocre at best
I agree with you mostly except for Mikasa forgetting the Paths, she didn't forget it, it occurred at the time it was shown to support my point if you recall the memory Mikasa got was before she killed Eren and it was because of the memory she knew Eren was in the mouth of the titan while the memories Armin and the rest got came back after Eren was killed and Eren said he had to wipe Armin's memory which he didn't say in Mikasa's case.
Well said. One of the best pieces of media to watch again and experience a completely new perspective from it. It really is a fantastic show, and I’m thankful to have had the chance to experience its greatness.
Feel the exact same ! Appreciate you
Finally someone who gets it 😭
The line about the walls walking with him was amazing!! I had to rewind that line. 6:09
You had nothing to say about Historia?
One of the best endings of all time
He is a slave to ymir and attack titan..his action is the inevitable..his choice was like dr. strange’s choice, the only possibly acceptable future..that’s what people never understand, always thinking that Eren has becoming a villain..it’s mentioned clearly, he has played the scene in his head again and again and again, and this is the only way
This is parody right??
Eren’s last scenes are reminiscent of Bertholdt’s death. Even when Bert man’d up, he still was ultimately a 17 year old facing death. Of course you can expect him to cry out like a child, he still was one. Both put into the terrible rock and hard places but knowing they had to at least act, even if they didn’t want to (double entendre).
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Ending is bad. Agree to disagree
“MIKASA IS FREEDOM” this video had perfect analysis
This was a really good breakdown of the ending and puts it in a new light for me thanks!
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You summarized this perfectly! Thank you 👏🏼👏🏼
even though the construct of being stuck in multiple timelines - at all times - is very abstract to comprehend, i feel like the medium had a somewhat hard time to really make you appreciate the fact our protagonists were mere teens. if you realize that, then there is not much empathy needed to see the bro-talk scene as very fitting, in my opinion. i think the show was a masterpiece in every regard and, for me, worthy of being titled as perfect, but i do understand why that might not be the case for everyone and why that ending is controversial for some
100% agree with you
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great video! i loved the ending!
Definitely wasn't bad or a got s8 thrones
The ending is trash.
People who dont like the Ending dont understand the show and the characters.
I love the ending. But I don't think others saying they don't like it means, "They're lying to you."
An ending on par with Game of Thrones,
And just like GoT we have AoT fans who can't help themselves except to ignore all of the plot armor, plot convenience, retcons, and terrible execution of the ending.
I didn't like the ending. In the end it was all about "love".
This review it's just AMAZING.
I totally agree.
Most people just want a happy ending for everything and cannot handle the fact the ending wasnt that even though eventually for the whole situation it had a slight positive note as eren did create a short time of peace, which ofcourse slowly gets on course towards the ouroboros of repeating history.
Also symbolicly it was perfectly set up for this, which I sometimes have a feeling a big portion of viewers symbolic stuff flies over their head.
I never heard a single person complain there wasn't an happy ending
If anything people complain it was too happy
Have you ending enjoyers ever bothered to actually listen to some criticism?
I generally disagree with your interpretation of episode 48 and how it plays a role in the finale. In the episodes prior to this one, Eren felt as if his existence was only a hindrance to those around him because he no longer thought of himself as special upon learning that the titan powers weren't his, until keith tells him the words his mother told Keith about Eren. Eren took these words to heart and we're able to see this because of his increase in resolve after hearing these words, contrary to your belief that he "gave us no reason to believe in his plans". His resolve coupled with what he was willing to do to go through with the Rumbling were all the reasons we needed. To say he lacked any real resolve especially after this episode is pretty ignorant.
I think episode 48 is a representation of man of the characters stories. He definitely got a level of resolve from what Keith said. When I say that he didn’t give us a reason to believe in his plans, I mean in the sense that when you go back through a lot of the show. It was Armin that was the calm collected one who came up with the plans. Eren was more so a think first act later character. That doesn’t mean what he did was ever lacking, but it makes sense he calls himself an idiot to Armin. It was a self deprecating frustration. He had resolve, but it’s like the moth example. What he was aiming for he wasn’t able to reach. So it was misguided resolve, which is why I said when he cries to the kid his resolve is breaking and feels weaker. Not because he doesn’t have resolve but because he had started doubting himself on both sides and feeling frustrated. Which is exactly what he expressed to Armin. All his doubts and confusions. I think the bystander episode is important because in the end eren felt like a bystander, Ymir represented a character that was a bystander, and so did many other characters. It’s my interpretation though, and I see your point as well with eren feeling like he was a hindrance to others. I feel like both ideas coexist to some degree
@@mikasasgarden I'ma ask you a question and if you answer it I'll just leave it at that. Do you believe that Eren's breakdown in front of Ramsi was due to him being conflicted rather than him knowing for sure that he's going to go through with the Rumbling?
I think he knows he's going through with the rumbling but constantly conflicted on whether or not it's the best way to go about it. Why else try to save him? He has that mental conflict in the alleyway before saving him and I think it shows his doubt in the plans, like how he expresses to Armin. That's why there's that focus on the idea that "i just kept moving forward". What do you think about it?@@hightetrisbeatboxrevived1648
@@mikasasgarden I pretty much agree with everything you just said except for the mental conflict. The way I see it that conflict he has is just him stating the situation he faces (in terms of Paradis vs the outside world) objectively. This mental dialogue he has is the closest thing that we have to him being confused and even at that, at the end of the monologue he says he can't accept that end (Paradis being wiped). I can tell though that we agree on quite a few things, there's just some points in the story where we divulge.
absolute percent of people who hate AoT dont understand it and i feel sorry for them, for not beeing able to apreciate the ultimate art. for me, this show is the GOAT
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good analysis, good quality video as well. Very underrated!
Thank you so much! Glad you like it, appreciate you !
Shout it louder for the people in the back! AOT storytelling is the symbol of perfection
Absolutely perfect video man, even down to the calling out to the people doubting the ending reminding us we are also slaves. Wonderful tie in and in depth explanation of the beauty of this show.
Thank you for this video! It made me understand AOT more. It all made sense! It got a great writer.
Seriously, the Rumbling kind of reminds me of the story of Moses in the Bible😅
The ending is great when considering what they cooked up in S1 - S3. The author said himself that he started the story with the ending in mind. I understand this, but people just like to see a happy end. I won't pretend I'm not like this too, I would've loved a happy ending, there wouldn't have been such a discourse between the fans. Such "happy end" was however basically imposible from the very beggining because of the way the story was headed.
The entire story makes zero sense whatsoever the moment you realize ymir can time travel and change the past
The entire "oh she was waiting for mikasa to free her" is completely pointless once you take into account her ability to change the past
That is the whole point, despite having great powers, Ymir was powerless because of her being unable to make choices on her own. She was the bystander, following orders, exactly as she is shown everytime she appears on screen or manga panels. Despite all her powers, she comes back to serve her abuser King Fritz.
@@Tatakhaenope. ymir can travel back in time and change the past
She could have just done that once she became free in the end and just didn't for no reason
And it's not only ymir, but all the founding titans as well (at least the ones pre king Fritz)
The ending does the same thing the Cellar episode did. Huge twist that can take a while to process but upon rewatching makes so much more sense. I remember when I first saw the revelation of the world beyond. I was past being shocked. I was confused. It took me a while to process what I had just learned because the show had already changed its identity several times up until that point and then we hot hit with that. It was insane. I feel the same way about the ending. It really does make sense if you watch the show as a whole. If all you have in your memory is the show since the cellar reveal then I can 100% see why you'd be disappointed. But when you remember where we started it makes more than perfect sense. Perfect show. 10 out of 10.
100% agree. Rewatch from the start really increases the overall impact and context for the ending
@@mikasasgarden Definitely. I prefer the dub and while the last episodes were taking FOREVER to be dubbed I decided to re-watch. Made all the difference in the world.
I finished this show literally ten minutes ago. This was my second anime ever. All I knew going into season 4 was that the ending was controversial. I cried my eyes out, and I hated the fact that it had to be this way in the story. But it was a good thing. You as the viewer are SUPPOSED to be heartbroken. And in the end, Eren got the ending he wanted. This story was so tragic and beautiful. The greatest show of all time.
Aot and its ending is perfect, if perfect meant not perfect and if that didn’t make sense, good because neither did this video.
If you think the show is perfect you dont really think realistically. Break everything down logically or realistically. No one in their right minds would understand what eren did was for freedom when he onspires hate from the start. Even teaching himself to hate along
People who say the ending was bad just had there expectations way to high I don't why they actually think it's bad.
I completly forgot about the ending.
I was waiting every week for a new episode until i think around 4th season part 2. I somehow just forgot about the anime, and even more somehow-ey never heard anything really about the ending, only that it's supposed to be "The absolute worse, it ruined the anime"
So a few days ago, i binched the last bit of the anime, and i gotta day;
I feel satisfied.
No cliffhanger, no "Oh they're living a peacefull life", it ended in a way i could see it happen in real life.
Eren seeing how the world won't change their atics on war and grudges, just trying to atleast let his friends life a peacefull life.
Eren being "a crybaby" honestly just made this ending just more appealing to me.
A boy who's scared of death, but sacrifcing it all for the ones he love.
While it's extremly sad to see, that theres no real "happy" ending, since the island kept getting attacked, it's realistic.
Especially in the past years, we saw, that humanity will always resolve back to hatred and war.
The ending is not beautifull, or per se a good ending, but it's realistic, and that makes it special to me.
Kenny also achieved freedom, tho after the point his dream was unattainable. That episode is also the crucial for the overarching theme n msg of the show
Also the ending doesnt make sense when eren legit got out of the rumbing THEN fought armin when he couldve reformed and rebuilt the world and die like a man
can't wait
The Chad Eren fanboys remind me so much of Harry/Hermione shippers back when the 4th Harry Potter book came out and made it pretty clear that they'd completely misunderstood the dynamic of the main trio. They projected their own ideas onto the text and ignored the author's intent, then felt betrayed when the story went where it was supposed to go rather than where they'd hoped it would go...
Even if I hadn't "guessed right" from reading the first three books, a quick check of how Ron is treated in Harry/Hermione fanfiction vs how Harry is treated in Ron/Hermione fanfiction would have made it clear who the bad guys were; if you feel the need to kill Ron off or turn him into a Death Eater in order to make your ship sail, there's something fundamentally wrong with it.
Eren free ymir
Ymir: woah that great wait that's not it i've seen your gf beheaded u in future that's better . Ikinda wanna see it live
Eren : ok boss
That was an amazing review very well, executed I like what you said. Amazing I love them man really