Air Data is the partner on that, they are making it all from scratch and have done an amazing job.. they will work it out . They do Have the DJI as a template to shoot for, agreed DJI has it on lock!
A 2000% percent agree my friend. This is what you called a watered-down drone just to say is made in America. Terrible I would never in my life on one of these drums
All US based drone manufacturers want the ban because they cannot compete with DJI so they want to get rid of them. Hopefully there is a clause that grandfathers all existing drones
No, what all US based MFG want is for CHYNA to remove the ban on foreign drones being sold in CHYNA as well as levies on Chinese drones that have had de facto state backing from fund state investment funds and on Chinese monopolies and large entities in the drone business that dump product to harm competition in violation of WTO rules.
@@alacazaba I can't find any information about a Chinese ban of American drones. I also can't Imagine why Somebody in China would want an American drone when Chinese drones are Better and cheaper.
@@jerseyshoredroneservices225 article 12, subchapter 3, surveying mapping law, People's Republic of China. Please name one Chinese manufacturer that produces an optically navigating uas under 2kg that has 4g cellular data linkage, or one that is under 2kg with a swappable payload? No Chinese drones have been approved for BVLOS in the US or Europe, yet many European, American, and even Japanese ones have. If they have the superior drone, why are they being beat in all these techinical areas? Furthermore, there are no Chinese sensor manufacturers that produce products for UAV that offered as technically advanced sensors as you find from american, european, and Japanese manufacturers. For example, DJI just released an HD thermal system, it's a sensor package that's been available in the US for 10 years. If you're just buying kiddy toys, it's understandable that you'd think that
We were Just at AUVSI and saw the Anzu drones and number of people confirmed it does in-fact have the DJI sensors and other hardware inside. Its seems the biggest difference is the the color and the FC software / firmware
100% there are even DJI labeled parts inside. There is also custom silicon from DJI - you cannot buy this, it can only be licensed from DJI if you have access to a fab to make the chips.
My biggest concern about the Anzu Raptor is performance and compatibility with third-party apps. The hardware specs look identical and, from all outward appearance, it looks exactly like the DJI M3E (only green) but, with the software/firmware from Aloft, versus DJI, how does it fly? Does the Raptor handle as well as the DJI M3E? How does the flight control software compare to DJI Pilot 2? What about compatibility with third-party apps like Drone Deploy, etc? I'd love to get my hands on a demo unit! Anzu Robotics - are you listening??
What I wanna know is if I pick up a Raptor...will my DJI M3 batteries work? I mean I've seen people using their consumer M3 batts in the M3E/T so I dont see why not
Several commentors are upset that the US version cost more than the Chinese version. How could it not cost more? On top of the cost of producing the drone, they have to pay the license fee to DJI and the expense of developing the software. If you want to be mad at somebody don't be mad at DJI or Anzu, be mad at Elise Stefanic and others like her. Be mad at the American companies who have hired lobbyist to push for this legislation and our elected officials who are going along with it.
This legislation would be a disaster for most drone owners. It makes no sense, and who's to say China won't strike back by refusing to sell products in the US? That covers components in the computer you're using now, if not the whole thing. Most US companies have at least some of their products built in China, or haven't you noticed? Even Buick had the Encore built entirely in China, and people didn't seem to notice. It will cripple so many drone operations, including all kinds of public safety organizations. And raymondforbes4295 has a great point. I'l be out about 10 grand in total for all my useless drones. And for what? Oh the Chinese are spying on us using drones. Really? Where's the proof, and who cares? You can't fly over sensative military/infrastructure sites anyway, and why would it matter? This is beyond stupid.
Them pesky Chinese been spyin’ on my dog as I video him runnin’ at the beach from mah drone. I’m mad as Hell and I’m not gonna fake it no more! Thanks to the brave Rep. Elise Stefanik for protection’ our national security! Sure, she’s accepting payoffs from domestic competitors, but who among us haven’t been corrupted? That’s US politics at its finest. Because ‘Murica!
If this is the only acceptable alternative to dji, companies that need a drone will be forced to pay the higher price, this drone manufacturer will be very profitable.
I would only buy an Anzu if the US made it impossible for me to get away with flying a DJI Mini X without getting caught. I just think such a bill is absolutely ridiculous and should be actively opposed. I understand the privacy concerns with TikTok, but for recreational civilian pilots, there's no information that can be acquired from their flights that can't be acquired from Google Earth. I can understand restricting government use, where drones may be flying in sensitive locations, but we for recreational use, I can't see any security threat posed by that even if the CCp did demand all flight data from DJI. This bill seems more like it's about sending a message to China rather than actually protecting US national security. And back to the matter of buying an Anzu drone, first they would have to make a Mini clone. The lack of geofencing is an attractive prospect, although the 50% price increase is not. Why do much more expensive when they never had to pay for any of the R&D or product design? The higher price is also frustrating when I already have a DJI drone that I spent a lot of money on, that the government is apparently trying to prevent me from using. Are they going to be writing checks or giving tax deductions to ask us existing DJI owners? I doubt it. Perhaps the US government could create some kind of agreement between DJI and Anzu that would allow Anzu to wipe all the data from a DJI drone and install their own software instead for grandfathered-in drones purchased before the bill was passed. However I'm not sure if that would be sufficient, given the drone would still contain Chinese hardware. And what about visitors to the US from other countries? What would happen if they were to fly a DJI drone in the US? What about other DJI products, like their wireless microphone systems or action cameras? Would those be banned as well? How would that even be enforced when they don't broadcast an identifying signal? This all just seems hyper-reactionary. If this passes in the way that it seems written now, for long before all photography and recording equipment from China is banned?
The entire basis of the bill is to kill the market share DJI has over the bill sponsor's donors, Skydio and their officers, who want to make inroads into the US market. It's a bunch of back door deals. I hate the situation, and I hate the fact that some republicans sponsored the bill. This is normally something from the D. playbook. I don't have a horse in this race, other than for recreational use, but I have already voiced and opposed this bill and written all my representatives. This is shit move by congress.
In this day and age of technology, they can implement software that can ground all dji drones, you don't seem to understand, the government has lots of power, they been doing this for centuries
Thanks for sharing this information! Do you know if Anzu will produce lower level models similar to the Air and Mini line? Do you know of any proposals to compensate DJI drone owners if the ban is placed in effect and we cannot fly our drones? The drone community be at a loss for significant amounts of $$ and It would be helpful if they were to offer some monetary incentive to "purchase" our banned drones back from us or provide credit towards a purchase of an Anzu produced clone.
To our knowledge, there are currently no proposals to compensate DJI drone owners if the ban is placed in effect. Anzu was founded in early April so it's a very new company (from the public viewpoint). I'm assuming they will begin to produce lower level models like the Air and mini line, especially if the the Raptor series does well.
They're making a terrible entrance by overcharging for a copy of a drone possibly to banned! Guess if you can't BEAT them BAN them! American drone consumers are potentially being screwed because American drone makers couldn't compete! Ugly entrance!
Randall Warnas If I'm remembering correctly. Expecting an American made product for the same price as the Chinese manufactured product is unrealistic. On top of the cost of producing the drone they also have to pay the license fee to DJI And the cost of developing the software.
@@jerseyshoredroneservices225 Here's what I want...Freedom to CHOOSE the product that I want to buy. That use to be an American value. No one should be forced to pay for a lesser product or higher prices because the government is using the "Can't beat em so ban em" strategy."
@@frankc.9853 I agree, that's what I want too. But the reason that we're having trouble getting what we want isn't the fault of Anzu it's the fault of skydio, their lobbyists and politicians like Elise stefanic. Don't blame Anzu for offering us a workaround.
If this goes through we won't be able to register those drones. There would also be an embargo on them so anybody who ships it here will be taking a risk of it never arriving to the purchaser. The FCC license would be revoked too I'm not sure if there's any way they can stop them from working but it would be a crime to use them. May not be able to get insurance for using an illegal product and may not be able to get some customers if they ask about the product we're using
Pretty sure it's only for the sale and purchase of new drones going forward. Heard there was a clause that will allow existing drones to still be legal. Not sure how true this is?!
That was a different ban this one is a bill by Elise stefanic in New York that would tax them to oblivion before completely banning them. There is also a bill that would disallow them the FCC licence that's needed. I'm not sure if it's the same bill or a different one
Problem is the drone world isn’t populated with consumers who are willing to spend 6 thousand on a drone rite out …especially not knowing of the company and if they even produce quality aircraft
@@besomewheredosomething I read the bill. Checked the Congressional bill tracking tab on Congress’ website (with a summary of the bill). I have worked with federal regulations since graduating law school in 2005 and often reference the summary of proposed laws and track them in real time using the site. It is fact that it has been sent to Senate. Not sure how that vote will go but probably not well since the drone bill is attached to defense spending.
So Anzu wont have anything to offer that is comprable to the DJI mini 3? or its price point? I was just on the verge to purchase one...now Im holdin off....geeze, it pays to research before you buy....Im Ok with Anzu but those $5K-$7K prices....I hope that is just their top of the line fleet....will there be minis for uner $1k? from Anzu? That is the questions, and that is the answer.
If they produced clones of any of the minis and they followed the same pricing scheme as the Raptor, then I would expect a Mini 4 Pro clone to be around $1400, Mini 3 Pro about $1100, and Mini 4K to be $450-$500. I don't know what the Mini 3 is selling for but just take that number and multiply it by 1.5x
Anzu emerged in early April so we don't have much information on if and when they will create other drones and if the price points will continue to be higher than DJI's current drones.
Many police and emergency services use DJI drones, and are overwhelmingly against this ban. Right now, there is already a ban on using federal money to buy DJI drones, but since no one (before, anyway) has made anything that works as well, that ban has just introduced extra paperwork. Many of the agencies have gotten around some concern by using US-based software, rather than DJI software. That *should* be enough - no data is going back to a China-based company - but the response has been there are concerns with the hardware and firmware. One solution might be if this company or another American company could wipe the firmware on current drones, so there is not even a possibility of information being returned to China.
It looks like they haven't begun selling the Raptor series to everyone but you can submit some information on a form to see if it's right for you. You can check out more information here: www.anzurobotics.com/
Ban on what level? That's pain for general user like us...if DJI from other country what it will be like... If US can't make something superior , don't say 'Ban' on everything pathetically.
Due to the increasing political tensions between the US and China, many popular Chinese companies are being targeted and scrutinized as potentially being privacy and security risks to the US. The President just signed a bill into law requiring that TikTok either be sold to a US company within a year, otherwise access for US users will be disabled. I can understand the concerns over TikTok, because if you actually read the permissions it has and the ToS, things start to look a little creepy. There is evidence that is activated your microphone even while your phone is locked, that it take your eye movement to see where exactly on the screen you're looking, and it has access to look at just about everything on your phone, as well as a great deal of information that is on any network that your phone is connected to. Roof could be a major security concern if a Senator's child has TikTok want they use the same home wifi without any internal network firewalls, then theoretically if the CCP was working with TikTok, they could easily gain access to the Senator's phone and computer and see much of the data on each, and this is all subtly implied in the ToS that users have agreed to by creating a TikTok account. Furthermore, a much more direct threat could be something like the CCP using TikTok to influence the opinions of young Americans or even sway elections. Since the proprietary algorithm that determines what videos are down to users is highly guarded secret, the CCP could utilize that to spread propaganda and misinformation to Americans. So when the house and Senate move to ban those kinds of companies I can understand the rationale, even if the constitutionality is questionable. However with DJI, to me it seems more about sending a message to China and stepping on their toes a little by banking an extremely popular Chinese company. I can't imagine that they could acquire any additional data from the flights of recreational civilian pilots that they can't already acquire from Google maps. I understand banning law enforcement and government use because they might be flying in sensitive locations, but a blanket ban for the whole country seems excessive. Anyway, that's the reasoning that they're operating on. DJI will just be one of many Chinese companies eventually banned out of overzealous security concerns, until we finally just end up getting involved in a proxy war with China over Taiwan, just as we're in a proxy war with Russia right now using the Ukraine as the battlefield. But hey, the good news is that this probably triggers the start of WW3, with the BRICS Alliance vs the NATO Powers, and then any silly drone laws won't matter anymore and you can fly whatever you want however you want. *TL;DR:* increasing political tensions and paranoia with China, leading to privacy and security concerns presented by the widescale presence of certain Chinese companies in the US and the data collection being done by their products or services.
After moving to ban TikTok in the US, the federal government could target the China-based DJI next. Aa bill advanced by the House of Energy and Commerce Committee last month that could ground DJI’s fleet of drones across the country. If passed, the Countering CCP Drones Act would add DJI drones to the FCC’s list of equipment covered by the Secure and Trusted Communications Networks Act of 2019. This bars communications equipment or services that “pose a national security risk” from running on US networks. It also prevents companies from using federal funding to purchase banned equipment. Chinese companies such as Huawei and ZTE are already included on the FCC’s list.
@@dn8598well said! I'd be happy to buy an American drone if it wasn't prohibitively expensive, as refined and as Cutting Edge as DJI products. As it stands us drones can't hold a candle to DJI products, and the fact is the Enterprise products save lives. That's not something that anyone should compromise on.
If they eventually sell a Mini clone at roughly the same kind of price as their mavic clone, yeah id consider it. Especially down a timeline where DJI is banned or wrost-case grounds our currently FCC licensed drones.
If The government bans DJI, they should buy all our drones from us, we didn’t pick them up off the streets you know, we bought them with our hard earned money.
Stefanik's actions appear driven by her broader political aspirations, potentially aiming for a spot on the Republican vice-presidential ticket. Her close ties to anti-China drone players like Skydio and AUVSI, facilitated by former staffer Joe Bartlett, reveal the self-serving nature of her legislative efforts. These bills are not about national security-they are about Stefanik's political gain at the expense of an industry that is crucial for innovation and safety.
So we all have spent numerous dollars for the brand, DJI. Now the US federal government wants to ban DJI products? And the FAA’s required Remote ID compliance? Where does it stop! Even at the hobbyist level!
If American politicians are going to ban CCP drones, then do it for the the right reasons and follow suit with computers, televisions, and everything else with a CCP micro chip. Why ban a product made on foreign soil only to reproduce it by the same company on a different foreign soil and upload a software / firmware on US soil and tell everyone it’s not the same thing. Oh, it’s a U.S. “based” company. It’s a great product. Randall Warren is genius in the drone marketing business. This slight of hand back door remanufacturing to bypass a policy is ridiculous.
This legislation is going to pass both house and senate. I’ve written to my congressmen to express my concerns and the impact it will have on my business. I’ll fold before I buy a DJI lookalike or overpriced garbage from a US manufacturer. Would love to see DJI negotiate a path forward - start with divesting cloud and telemetry data storage to a third party company to manage access and ensure the PRC can’t access it. There is a way forward, but buying new drones won’t work for many small businesses.
I think that the only reason that this DJI ban exists is because Anzu has no opponent in the US when DJI is gone. they are doing this because its better for them, not for the rest. And its a green DJI enterprise that costs 3 thousand dollars more 😅
HOLY HS1T! - I thought we had it bad in the UK but this is just mental! For starters when we lost our access to hand guns we got compensation (about a 3rd to a half of the actual value) but what I see here is USA fliers losing their drones altogether! How many people can afford >$5000 for a drone let alone $7600. All those people with legacy drones will be legally grounded and for why? Yes some idiots fly in an irresponsible manner and need action taking against them but this looks to be taking the pass-time / hobby / business and making it totally unreachable to many. Is this why its really happening? Remove the sales and remove the idiot fliers? Is it just home economics driving this?
It's being driven mostly by skydio and other whining drone manufacturers who can't compete with dji. They've hired "experts" to create this false idea of security concerns and paid lobbyists to get the message out to politicians. Politicians are happy to invent a problem or even pretend that there is a problem so they can pretend to fix it as if they're doing something useful.
I have about $10k of DJI drones as well as $1000 in Chinese made drones. So is the government just taking $11,000 from me & banning one of my favorite hobbies? I’m so fn confused. Flying drones is therapy for me. It helps keeps me from life’s bs. I beside myself right now.
I agree with others... i have many dji drones and lots of money invested... if the government gonna stop me from using it for the dumbest reasons yet(what about chinese phones, tvs, and everything else chinese made thats in america) then they can pay me for my drone...straightforward cash or i can write it off on taxes(many loopholes to write what you want off/knowledge is good) but no, i wont buy from a company like this thats selling a dji drone for more money than dji sold it for... screw that. Ill keep building long range freestyle/cinematic drones...
The DJI apps and servers are probably how a ban would work. If any DJI product ever needs to verify an account or some other reason needs a connection before allowing operation, that's the end of flying the drone. Would be great to have an app for DJI drones that is independent and without data/ server needs. The orphaned DJI users would pay for such a thing.
Anzu is a "few guys" who set everything up but they're not making anything. The drones are made and assembled in Malaysia Anzu purchased a license from DJI for the technology and is doing all the stuff to have them produced, shipped, loaded with software and distributed, along with all the business stuff. You know the liability, taxes, lawyers, marketing, all that crap...
For foo;s. "Your data is secure its not in China because its a 'US' drone that is not made in US its software is being made in US and installed in US probably by some offshore team in India or Russia or China" but hey.... its American company so you have to pay another 2K for the same thing.
This is crazy! This is another way of DJI controlling this drone and how it works. The question is... Does DJI have full control where this drone is built? Does the country where this drone have the same rules for not allowing China's control in production? The answer is NO! So, this is a loop-H that banned products can be produced no in banned countries but they still have 100% full control how things are. Software is a convert it up, any parts of the drone can have hidden malware and no matter what you use it, the malware could do anything when enter the USA ISP. This is how the USA functions today! A bunch of idiots in power.
This is a DJI drone. People are so gullible to think that this is a us-made drone. This is the same thing that was done with Hubsan drones a couple years back.. just like with the Hubsans/Black hawks price shot through the roof
So where is it made? And, are we banning ALL non domestic drones in the future? The average user is being squeezed out of this industry pretty quickly.
A few questions comes to mind... Why are the copies priced higher than the original? The only way an American company can compete is to BAN the leading competitor after it's "partnered" with that competitor? Given a choice, NO I Would not switch and may just go back to hand held photography, videography. I have invested too much to have to start over at higher prices because of political BS! Where's my right to choose?
Anzu Isn't behind the bill's seeking to ban the drones, that would be SKYDIO. The drones cost more because it's not possible to produce them cheaper than China does. On top of production they have to first send parts to Malaysia, then send the drones to the US, develop the software and..... Pay the licensing fee to DJI.
If this bill becomes law, I will NEVER purchase a US quad on principle. That would only reward those who are behind that bill. In fact, the more anti-Chinese laws they pass, the more I will purchase things from China (and not, I am not Chinese, I just loathe the way China-bashing is now the new "designated enemy" for a "minute of hate")
Guess the rest of the world can fly the best of DJi drones while US uses the best of America. Without any competition of course. Great strategy to close door on your rival and free from competition and in isolation. Likewise, with USD trend today.
How exactly is Anzu going to take over when it's product is licensed directly from dji? They haven't created anything original they're just creating a work around to the potential us ban.
Price is ridiculous. Anzu founder already rubs me the wrong way. Overly defensive and not truthful. Good luck with non existent service. What a disaster
So the former DJI Enterprise manager made a deal with DJI to produce a green DJI drone in Malasia, not China. The green DJI Mavic 3 is then shipped to the US where the former DJI Enterprise manager uploads firmware and ups the price. Nope, I don’t see any Chinese technology here. What a bunch of BS. How many politicians are getting in on the Anzu Robotics stock.
Headed to the store to buy some green spray paint
LOL 👍
A 30%+ markup is not "a little bit pricier"
35%
Ikr. The thermal version is over $2,000 more. That’s a not just a “little bit” pricier
just the price for the green painting，its cheap
The government better buy my $4,000 brick if they ban them.
You know bricks are easy to throw.
I hope that they do but Skydio doesn’t sell to civilians anymore!
You are absolutely correct! I make a living with my DJI fleet, congress doesn't take these things in consideration.
The sad thing is I saw a video on the Ben and it started out with the guy who made skydio drones
You guys will be able to use the drones you already own.
Other than the price, the other problem is the software. That's a huge part of what makes DJI drones so good.
The price is fine...it's a flex when you break it out 😂
Air Data is the partner on that, they are making it all from scratch and have done an amazing job.. they will work it out . They do Have the DJI as a template to shoot for, agreed DJI has it on lock!
I would not be to happy in switching to the Anzu if their copy cat versions cost more than the original Dji drones.
I wouldn't call them copycat versions. They are licensing the product design from dji.
@@Ernest.J
I've seen a few interviews with the CEO and read a lot about Anzu recently. I believe they are a retailer who will sell to anyone.
A 2000% percent agree my friend. This is what you called a watered-down drone just to say is made in America. Terrible I would never in my life on one of these drums
Prices are astronomical!!
All US based drone manufacturers want the ban because they cannot compete with DJI so they want to get rid of them. Hopefully there is a clause that grandfathers all existing drones
Couldn't agree more. There is no basis for the attempt to ban. Period. This is driven by the competition who is not actual competition.
No, what all US based MFG want is for CHYNA to remove the ban on foreign drones being sold in CHYNA as well as levies on Chinese drones that have had de facto state backing from fund state investment funds and on Chinese monopolies and large entities in the drone business that dump product to harm competition in violation of WTO rules.
What USA made Drones? I bought the Skydio 2, then they went to enterprise and no longer deals with the Public!
@@alacazaba
I can't find any information about a Chinese ban of American drones. I also can't Imagine why Somebody in China would want an American drone when Chinese drones are Better and cheaper.
@@jerseyshoredroneservices225 article 12, subchapter 3, surveying mapping law, People's Republic of China. Please name one Chinese manufacturer that produces an optically navigating uas under 2kg that has 4g cellular data linkage, or one that is under 2kg with a swappable payload? No Chinese drones have been approved for BVLOS in the US or Europe, yet many European, American, and even Japanese ones have. If they have the superior drone, why are they being beat in all these techinical areas? Furthermore, there are no Chinese sensor manufacturers that produce products for UAV that offered as technically advanced sensors as you find from american, european, and Japanese manufacturers. For example, DJI just released an HD thermal system, it's a sensor package that's been available in the US for 10 years. If you're just buying kiddy toys, it's understandable that you'd think that
We were Just at AUVSI and saw the Anzu drones and number of people confirmed it does in-fact have the DJI sensors and other hardware inside. Its seems the biggest difference is the the color and the FC software / firmware
Great insight! It will definitely be interesting to learn more about this company and their drones in the coming months.
100% there are even DJI labeled parts inside. There is also custom silicon from DJI - you cannot buy this, it can only be licensed from DJI if you have access to a fab to make the chips.
That price point seems like a pretty big difference, too
@@skyranger187 they don't have the economy of scale behind them to produce at a lower cost once they sell more the prices are sure to come down...
Wonderful to live in the great US! Have fun with your new drone!
just spray the dji green and unlock the software .....simples
🤣🤣😂😂
Good luck getting that software to communicate with US GPS satellites.
@@idamonutubeit's ok there is more satellites that are not American in use
How much does the model without thermal imaging cost?
Thank you anzu for keeping the dream alive if even needed . Thanks
The dream for people with money and not the average American hobbyist.
I don't remember but aren't some drone companies pushing lobbyists to ban DJI/ already did
@@hellomouse2354 yes they are pushing . And if it did DJI will not leave you with a brick
@@GENERALLee-jp4xr that's good just got a mini 3 and I love it
I owned a US Robotics drone. The IRIS. That thing was a piece of junk from the day I got it.
Karma is infamous! LOL
My biggest concern about the Anzu Raptor is performance and compatibility with third-party apps. The hardware specs look identical and, from all outward appearance, it looks exactly like the DJI M3E (only green) but, with the software/firmware from Aloft, versus DJI, how does it fly? Does the Raptor handle as well as the DJI M3E? How does the flight control software compare to DJI Pilot 2? What about compatibility with third-party apps like Drone Deploy, etc? I'd love to get my hands on a demo unit! Anzu Robotics - are you listening??
It will definitely be interesting to check on all of the aspects you noted!
So the money companies spent on DJI drones can companies trade in the drones for Anzu drones?
What I wanna know is if I pick up a Raptor...will my DJI M3 batteries work? I mean I've seen people using their consumer M3 batts in the M3E/T so I dont see why not
decades ago saying china is a copycat. in the modern era, who is a copycat now in drones?
I want to know the paint code of the green used by Anzu drones.
Several commentors are upset that the US version cost more than the Chinese version. How could it not cost more? On top of the cost of producing the drone, they have to pay the license fee to DJI and the expense of developing the software.
If you want to be mad at somebody don't be mad at DJI or Anzu, be mad at Elise Stefanic and others like her. Be mad at the American companies who have hired lobbyist to push for this legislation and our elected officials who are going along with it.
This legislation would be a disaster for most drone owners. It makes no sense, and who's to say China won't strike back by refusing to sell products in the US? That covers components in the computer you're using now, if not the whole thing. Most US companies have at least some of their products built in China, or haven't you noticed? Even Buick had the Encore built entirely in China, and people didn't seem to notice. It will cripple so many drone operations, including all kinds of public safety organizations. And raymondforbes4295 has a great point. I'l be out about 10 grand in total for all my useless drones. And for what? Oh the Chinese are spying on us using drones. Really? Where's the proof, and who cares? You can't fly over sensative military/infrastructure sites anyway, and why would it matter? This is beyond stupid.
Agree
Them pesky Chinese been spyin’ on my dog as I video him runnin’ at the beach from mah drone. I’m mad as Hell and I’m not gonna fake it no more! Thanks to the brave Rep. Elise Stefanik for protection’ our national security! Sure, she’s accepting payoffs from domestic competitors, but who among us haven’t been corrupted? That’s US politics at its finest. Because ‘Murica!
And where can we even get these drones?
Great Idea, but don't rip us off. The cost is unreal and will put a lot of companies out of business. What's the M30T clone going to cost 40K+?
If this is the only acceptable alternative to dji, companies that need a drone will be forced to pay the higher price, this drone manufacturer will be very profitable.
War aren't cheap.
I would only buy an Anzu if the US made it impossible for me to get away with flying a DJI Mini X without getting caught. I just think such a bill is absolutely ridiculous and should be actively opposed. I understand the privacy concerns with TikTok, but for recreational civilian pilots, there's no information that can be acquired from their flights that can't be acquired from Google Earth.
I can understand restricting government use, where drones may be flying in sensitive locations, but we for recreational use, I can't see any security threat posed by that even if the CCp did demand all flight data from DJI. This bill seems more like it's about sending a message to China rather than actually protecting US national security.
And back to the matter of buying an Anzu drone, first they would have to make a Mini clone. The lack of geofencing is an attractive prospect, although the 50% price increase is not. Why do much more expensive when they never had to pay for any of the R&D or product design? The higher price is also frustrating when I already have a DJI drone that I spent a lot of money on, that the government is apparently trying to prevent me from using. Are they going to be writing checks or giving tax deductions to ask us existing DJI owners? I doubt it.
Perhaps the US government could create some kind of agreement between DJI and Anzu that would allow Anzu to wipe all the data from a DJI drone and install their own software instead for grandfathered-in drones purchased before the bill was passed. However I'm not sure if that would be sufficient, given the drone would still contain Chinese hardware.
And what about visitors to the US from other countries? What would happen if they were to fly a DJI drone in the US?
What about other DJI products, like their wireless microphone systems or action cameras? Would those be banned as well? How would that even be enforced when they don't broadcast an identifying signal?
This all just seems hyper-reactionary. If this passes in the way that it seems written now, for long before all photography and recording equipment from China is banned?
Great comments, questions, and reflections! It will be interesting to see how those specific details get laid out if the bill continues to progress.
The entire basis of the bill is to kill the market share DJI has over the bill sponsor's donors, Skydio and their officers, who want to make inroads into the US market. It's a bunch of back door deals. I hate the situation, and I hate the fact that some republicans sponsored the bill. This is normally something from the D. playbook. I don't have a horse in this race, other than for recreational use, but I have already voiced and opposed this bill and written all my representatives. This is shit move by congress.
Remember the old USSR that banned everything from the West? That's what we're turning into
In this day and age of technology, they can implement software that can ground all dji drones, you don't seem to understand, the government has lots of power, they been doing this for centuries
I guess they should ban Iphones too.
I thought Anzu was made in some country in Asia near China. Is that correct?
Excellent video thank you
Thanks for sharing this information! Do you know if Anzu will produce lower level models similar to the Air and Mini line? Do you know of any proposals to compensate DJI drone owners if the ban is placed in effect and we cannot fly our drones? The drone community be at a loss for significant amounts of $$ and It would be helpful if they were to offer some monetary incentive to "purchase" our banned drones back from us or provide credit towards a purchase of an Anzu produced clone.
To our knowledge, there are currently no proposals to compensate DJI drone owners if the ban is placed in effect. Anzu was founded in early April so it's a very new company (from the public viewpoint). I'm assuming they will begin to produce lower level models like the Air and mini line, especially if the the Raptor series does well.
They will still cost 35% more than the DJI Air and Mini.
Potential game-changer. We’ll see.
The green drone looks like a frog and I can't unsee that
😂
That is a significant price difference.
Yes, hopefully the prices would decrease if they continue to make more drones, specifically ones designed for more recreational or photo/video uses!
Anzu is a DJI Drone licensed to a US drone maker. Some guy that used to work at Autel.
They're making a terrible entrance by overcharging for a copy of a drone possibly to banned! Guess if you can't BEAT them BAN them! American drone consumers are potentially being screwed because American drone makers couldn't compete! Ugly entrance!
He was the DJI Enterprise brand manager before he was at Autel!
Randall Warnas If I'm remembering correctly.
Expecting an American made product for the same price as the Chinese manufactured product is unrealistic. On top of the cost of producing the drone they also have to pay the license fee to DJI And the cost of developing the software.
@@jerseyshoredroneservices225 Here's what I want...Freedom to CHOOSE the product that I want to buy. That use to be an American value. No one should be forced to pay for a lesser product or higher prices because the government is using the "Can't beat em so ban em" strategy."
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I agree, that's what I want too.
But the reason that we're having trouble getting what we want isn't the fault of Anzu it's the fault of skydio, their lobbyists and politicians like Elise stefanic. Don't blame Anzu for offering us a workaround.
Unfortunately what they don't have is a clone mavic 3 pro cine. The cam specs on that thing doesn't even hold a candle to cine premium.
So whats going to prevent a US consumer from buying DJI poducts from an online seller overseas or even just Canada?
If this goes through we won't be able to register those drones. There would also be an embargo on them so anybody who ships it here will be taking a risk of it never arriving to the purchaser.
The FCC license would be revoked too I'm not sure if there's any way they can stop them from working but it would be a crime to use them.
May not be able to get insurance for using an illegal product and may not be able to get some customers if they ask about the product we're using
Pretty sure it's only for the sale and purchase of new drones going forward. Heard there was a clause that will allow existing drones to still be legal. Not sure how true this is?!
I thought the proposed Dji ban only pertained to government funded agencies, not private citizens.
Unfortunately, if the ban goes through, it applies for everyone.
That was a different ban this one is a bill by Elise stefanic in New York that would tax them to oblivion before completely banning them.
There is also a bill that would disallow them the FCC licence that's needed. I'm not sure if it's the same bill or a different one
I read an article that DJI would import their parts to this company (Anzu) and they would assemble them in the US as a work around the ban.
Problem is the drone world isn’t populated with consumers who are willing to spend 6 thousand on a drone rite out …especially not knowing of the company and if they even produce quality aircraft
Color...why?
It's like DJI "green card"! kkkk
I would doubt they will ban DJI.
Never doubt the governments ability to do something stupid.
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The bill is out of committee and on the way to the Senate. So... there you go.
@@ElChingonFPV Chuckles, oh boy you know how to half-ass regurgitate what you've heard.
@@besomewheredosomething I read the bill. Checked the Congressional bill tracking tab on Congress’ website (with a summary of the bill). I have worked with federal regulations since graduating law school in 2005 and often reference the summary of proposed laws and track them in real time using the site. It is fact that it has been sent to Senate. Not sure how that vote will go but probably not well since the drone bill is attached to defense spending.
So Anzu wont have anything to offer that is comprable to the DJI mini 3? or its price point? I was just on the verge to purchase one...now Im holdin off....geeze, it pays to research before you buy....Im Ok with Anzu but those $5K-$7K prices....I hope that is just their top of the line fleet....will there be minis for uner $1k? from Anzu? That is the questions, and that is the answer.
If they produced clones of any of the minis and they followed the same pricing scheme as the Raptor, then I would expect a Mini 4 Pro clone to be around $1400, Mini 3 Pro about $1100, and Mini 4K to be $450-$500.
I don't know what the Mini 3 is selling for but just take that number and multiply it by 1.5x
Anzu emerged in early April so we don't have much information on if and when they will create other drones and if the price points will continue to be higher than DJI's current drones.
Many police and emergency services use DJI drones, and are overwhelmingly against this ban. Right now, there is already a ban on using federal money to buy DJI drones, but since no one (before, anyway) has made anything that works as well, that ban has just introduced extra paperwork.
Many of the agencies have gotten around some concern by using US-based software, rather than DJI software. That *should* be enough - no data is going back to a China-based company - but the response has been there are concerns with the hardware and firmware.
One solution might be if this company or another American company could wipe the firmware on current drones, so there is not even a possibility of information being returned to China.
Interesting thoughts! And agreed, a lot of police and emergency service pilots are strongly against the DJI ban.
I enjoyed this video and am considering purchasing an Anzu Raptor.
Does Anzu Robotics have warranty (repair or replace) similar to the DJI company?
It looks like they haven't begun selling the Raptor series to everyone but you can submit some information on a form to see if it's right for you. You can check out more information here: www.anzurobotics.com/
its sad that US buy inexpensive stuff at expensive price
The same dog with different collar!!!
China will ban drone part export. Can Anzu produce their drone?
If they offer a mini 4 pro version at a more reasonable price I'll get one 😊
Ban on what level? That's pain for general user like us...if DJI from other country what it will be like... If US can't make something superior , don't say 'Ban' on everything pathetically.
There's a bill in place that could ban DJI drones from all U.S. citizens.
I'm out of the loop, what is the specific reason why DJI is being banned in the US?
Due to the increasing political tensions between the US and China, many popular Chinese companies are being targeted and scrutinized as potentially being privacy and security risks to the US. The President just signed a bill into law requiring that TikTok either be sold to a US company within a year, otherwise access for US users will be disabled.
I can understand the concerns over TikTok, because if you actually read the permissions it has and the ToS, things start to look a little creepy. There is evidence that is activated your microphone even while your phone is locked, that it take your eye movement to see where exactly on the screen you're looking, and it has access to look at just about everything on your phone, as well as a great deal of information that is on any network that your phone is connected to. Roof could be a major security concern if a Senator's child has TikTok want they use the same home wifi without any internal network firewalls, then theoretically if the CCP was working with TikTok, they could easily gain access to the Senator's phone and computer and see much of the data on each, and this is all subtly implied in the ToS that users have agreed to by creating a TikTok account.
Furthermore, a much more direct threat could be something like the CCP using TikTok to influence the opinions of young Americans or even sway elections. Since the proprietary algorithm that determines what videos are down to users is highly guarded secret, the CCP could utilize that to spread propaganda and misinformation to Americans.
So when the house and Senate move to ban those kinds of companies I can understand the rationale, even if the constitutionality is questionable.
However with DJI, to me it seems more about sending a message to China and stepping on their toes a little by banking an extremely popular Chinese company. I can't imagine that they could acquire any additional data from the flights of recreational civilian pilots that they can't already acquire from Google maps. I understand banning law enforcement and government use because they might be flying in sensitive locations, but a blanket ban for the whole country seems excessive.
Anyway, that's the reasoning that they're operating on. DJI will just be one of many Chinese companies eventually banned out of overzealous security concerns, until we finally just end up getting involved in a proxy war with China over Taiwan, just as we're in a proxy war with Russia right now using the Ukraine as the battlefield.
But hey, the good news is that this probably triggers the start of WW3, with the BRICS Alliance vs the NATO Powers, and then any silly drone laws won't matter anymore and you can fly whatever you want however you want.
*TL;DR:* increasing political tensions and paranoia with China, leading to privacy and security concerns presented by the widescale presence of certain Chinese companies in the US and the data collection being done by their products or services.
After moving to ban TikTok in the US, the federal government could target the China-based DJI next. Aa bill advanced by the House of Energy and Commerce Committee last month that could ground DJI’s fleet of drones across the country.
If passed, the Countering CCP Drones Act would add DJI drones to the FCC’s list of equipment covered by the Secure and Trusted Communications Networks Act of 2019. This bars communications equipment or services that “pose a national security risk” from running on US networks. It also prevents companies from using federal funding to purchase banned equipment. Chinese companies such as Huawei and ZTE are already included on the FCC’s list.
They haven't gotten banned yet. For national security risks.
a mix of paranoia and protectionism due to the US inability to compete fairly on the world markets
@@dn8598well said! I'd be happy to buy an American drone if it wasn't prohibitively expensive, as refined and as Cutting Edge as DJI products. As it stands us drones can't hold a candle to DJI products, and the fact is the Enterprise products save lives. That's not something that anyone should compromise on.
Clearly not targeting the consumer market with those prices.
It’s not made in the US. It’s US owned.
If they eventually sell a Mini clone at roughly the same kind of price as their mavic clone, yeah id consider it. Especially down a timeline where DJI is banned or wrost-case grounds our currently FCC licensed drones.
Specta on Amazon are already doing this
If The government bans DJI, they should buy all our drones from us, we didn’t pick them up off the streets you know, we bought them with our hard earned money.
The Government said "you are nothing but a slave, all you money belong to us"
so its a mavic 3 that costs way more and is missing features
Stefanik's actions appear driven by her broader political aspirations, potentially aiming for a spot on the Republican vice-presidential ticket. Her close ties to anti-China drone players like Skydio and AUVSI, facilitated by former staffer Joe Bartlett, reveal the self-serving nature of her legislative efforts. These bills are not about national security-they are about Stefanik's political gain at the expense of an industry that is crucial for innovation and safety.
So we all have spent numerous dollars for the brand, DJI. Now the US federal government wants to ban DJI products?
And the FAA’s required Remote ID compliance? Where does it stop!
Even at the hobbyist level!
Assemble in Malaysia & that thing is really pricey
Cool idea I guess, except for the cashgrab pricing, which is predatory. Also the green color is horrible. Could they not have chosen something else?
If their mission planning and flight SOFTWARE are as comprehensive and reliable as DJI's sure... but this is highly doubtful.
If American politicians are going to ban CCP drones, then do it for the the right reasons and follow suit with computers, televisions, and everything else with a CCP micro chip. Why ban a product made on foreign soil only to reproduce it by the same company on a different foreign soil and upload a software / firmware on US soil and tell everyone it’s not the same thing. Oh, it’s a U.S. “based” company.
It’s a great product. Randall Warren is genius in the drone marketing business. This slight of hand back door remanufacturing to bypass a policy is ridiculous.
This legislation is going to pass both house and senate. I’ve written to my congressmen to express my concerns and the impact it will have on my business. I’ll fold before I buy a DJI lookalike or overpriced garbage from a US manufacturer. Would love to see DJI negotiate a path forward - start with divesting cloud and telemetry data storage to a third party company to manage access and ensure the PRC can’t access it. There is a way forward, but buying new drones won’t work for many small businesses.
Yeah, good luck with that. TikTok basically offered the same and still Congress banned them.
I just started looking into what it takes to get a drone and now I'm hearing the DJI may be banned?😂😭
It is a DJI clone, and more expensive. Like it or not, that is what they will allow USA consumers to have, apparently.🤔
Not sure if there are plans to reduce the price at all, but that is what it looks like at the moment.
TIME TO PAINT MY DRONES GREEN
My new DGI 4 mini pro has a sticker that says the drone itself is now made in Malaysia. Everything else is made in China.
But first got my attention was the sticker on the bottom of the box. It says made in Malaysia.
Anzu is on the ban list with DJI.
Wow
I think that the only reason that this DJI ban exists is because Anzu has no opponent in the US when DJI is gone. they are doing this because its better for them, not for the rest. And its a green DJI enterprise that costs 3 thousand dollars more 😅
I’ll buy American period if that happens .
HOLY HS1T! - I thought we had it bad in the UK but this is just mental! For starters when we lost our access to hand guns we got compensation (about a 3rd to a half of the actual value) but what I see here is USA fliers losing their drones altogether! How many people can afford >$5000 for a drone let alone $7600. All those people with legacy drones will be legally grounded and for why? Yes some idiots fly in an irresponsible manner and need action taking against them but this looks to be taking the pass-time / hobby / business and making it totally unreachable to many. Is this why its really happening? Remove the sales and remove the idiot fliers? Is it just home economics driving this?
It will be interesting to see if the prices decrease at all.
It's being driven mostly by skydio and other whining drone manufacturers who can't compete with dji.
They've hired "experts" to create this false idea of security concerns and paid lobbyists to get the message out to politicians.
Politicians are happy to invent a problem or even pretend that there is a problem so they can pretend to fix it as if they're doing something useful.
Does anyone here own an Anzu Raptor? If so, is it as good as a DJI drone?
I have about $10k of DJI drones as well as $1000 in Chinese made drones. So is the government just taking $11,000 from me & banning one of my favorite hobbies? I’m so fn confused. Flying drones is therapy for me. It helps keeps me from life’s bs. I beside myself right now.
Dji still in top, dji 4 ever
Id rather buy from anzu than buy skydio if they ever release civvy versions
I agree with others... i have many dji drones and lots of money invested... if the government gonna stop me from using it for the dumbest reasons yet(what about chinese phones, tvs, and everything else chinese made thats in america) then they can pay me for my drone...straightforward cash or i can write it off on taxes(many loopholes to write what you want off/knowledge is good) but no, i wont buy from a company like this thats selling a dji drone for more money than dji sold it for... screw that. Ill keep building long range freestyle/cinematic drones...
The DJI apps and servers are probably how a ban would work. If any DJI product ever needs to verify an account or some other reason needs a connection before allowing operation, that's the end of flying the drone. Would be great to have an app for DJI drones that is independent and without data/ server needs. The orphaned DJI users would pay for such a thing.
Wow!!! That is pricey!!!! Ouch!!!
Yep! Hope the price decreases as more models get released!
It would cost $10,000 if made in USA just like everything that's made here. Nothing is isn't cheap of great quality in the US. Especially military
Paying $7000 for a Mavic 3 without Hasselblad optics seems like a shitty deal.
They can ban all they want, i'll still build my own freestyles and fly them, tickets or not. lol
Bro $5k that’s crazy man….
Hopefully it decreases with future models!
Out of all the colors they chose green
But a 10k drone is too much. Anzu had better start making the rest of the air line as well.
We heard that Anzu drones are actually blueprints of original DJI just made in USA!!!!!!!!!!
They're made in Malaysia....
Anzu is a "few guys" who set everything up but they're not making anything.
The drones are made and assembled in Malaysia Anzu purchased a license from DJI for the technology and is doing all the stuff to have them produced, shipped, loaded with software and distributed, along with all the business stuff. You know the liability, taxes, lawyers, marketing, all that crap...
Does it work with dji goggles?
Not sure! Most likely if they make more drones, they will make their own goggles to go along with it.
For foo;s. "Your data is secure its not in China because its a 'US' drone that is not made in US its software is being made in US and installed in US probably by some offshore team in India or Russia or China" but hey.... its American company so you have to pay another 2K for the same thing.
This is crazy! This is another way of DJI controlling this drone and how it works. The question is... Does DJI have full control where this drone is built? Does the country where this drone have the same rules for not allowing China's control in production? The answer is NO! So, this is a loop-H that banned products can be produced no in banned countries but they still have 100% full control how things are. Software is a convert it up, any parts of the drone can have hidden malware and no matter what you use it, the malware could do anything when enter the USA ISP. This is how the USA functions today! A bunch of idiots in power.
Why would we want to pay thousands more
ONE OF THE BEST ANZU DRONES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is a DJI drone. People are so gullible to think that this is a us-made drone. This is the same thing that was done with Hubsan drones a couple years back.. just like with the Hubsans/Black hawks price shot through the roof
So where is it made? And, are we banning ALL non domestic drones in the future? The average user is being squeezed out of this industry pretty quickly.
It seems Anzu's drones are made in Malaysia.
Made in Malaysia and as far as I know the bills seeking to ban certain drones are for country of origin (China)
Just keep flying it
That’s a DJI Air 3 Clone for 7k it’s ridiculous 🤦♂️
And now we know the real reason DJI is looking at getting banned. How convenient for Anzu.
Its just rebranded🤦
A few questions comes to mind... Why are the copies priced higher than the original? The only way an American company can compete is to BAN the leading competitor after it's "partnered" with that competitor? Given a choice, NO I Would not switch and may just go back to hand held photography, videography. I have invested too much to have to start over at higher prices because of political BS! Where's my right to choose?
Anzu Isn't behind the bill's seeking to ban the drones, that would be SKYDIO.
The drones cost more because it's not possible to produce them cheaper than China does.
On top of production they have to first send parts to Malaysia, then send the drones to the US, develop the software and..... Pay the licensing fee to DJI.
If this bill becomes law, I will NEVER purchase a US quad on principle. That would only reward those who are behind that bill. In fact, the more anti-Chinese laws they pass, the more I will purchase things from China (and not, I am not Chinese, I just loathe the way China-bashing is now the new "designated enemy" for a "minute of hate")
Guess the rest of the world can fly the best of DJi drones while US uses the best of America. Without any competition of course. Great strategy to close door on your rival and free from competition and in isolation. Likewise, with USD trend today.
Nope, I am done with drones. Not paying all that money for a drone.
Hopefully the prices decrease with future models!
Perfect Anzu Robotics time to take over baby freedom will always prevail bless USA!!!!!!!!!
How exactly is Anzu going to take over when it's product is licensed directly from dji?
They haven't created anything original they're just creating a work around to the potential us ban.
Price is ridiculous. Anzu founder already rubs me the wrong way. Overly defensive and not truthful. Good luck with non existent service. What a disaster
this sounds like aprils fool.. but wait it's june!
So the former DJI Enterprise manager made a deal with DJI to produce a green DJI drone in Malasia, not China. The green DJI Mavic 3 is then shipped to the US where the former DJI Enterprise manager uploads firmware and ups the price. Nope, I don’t see any Chinese technology here. What a bunch of BS. How many politicians are getting in on the Anzu Robotics stock.