Can Level III Armor Survive UNRATED Threats at Range?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2021
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In this video, we throw threats at this NIJ Certified, Level III plate from RMA Defense, that it is NOT rated for, but at a longer range out to nearly 300 yards to see if the reduced velocity and energies can be defeated. These lightweight plates will stop full power threats up to M80 Ball, but can they survive a beating from M855 (Level III+ Threat) or 7.62x54R Light Ball (Level IV Threat) at standoff distances?
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As Paul Harrel says, not all body armor is created equally, even if its the same rating.
Omg a PH quote that I cannot remember.
Time to watch every video on his channel again.
@@ShortArmStrongArm "Is dat a Snipa?"
One of my favorite content creators, quoting one of my favorite content creators, on one of my favorite content creators' videos.
Man of true culture
About time someone did a real world situation test...thank you
Man...that PSL...that regret of not grabbing one for 600$
got mine in 2002 for about that much
I've got a pair of the RMA lvl 4 plates and am very happy with them. On the heavy side at 8lb each, but amazing deal and I'm fine with the extra weight. Especially after I saw what the lvl 4 plates can handle. Great vid as always!!
Botach battle steel
In today's day in age I would think you would want armor that stops M855 and M193. There are so many 5.56 rifles now.
90% (or more!) of bad guys use handguns. In 2019 (last year if the calculated stats) only 297 total rifle shooting in entire US and I cannot think of even one that was verified as using M855 green tip rounds on purpose to penetrate armor. Bottom line, you’re prepared for something VERY unlikely to ever happen. Honestly you’re in much, much, much more danger driving your car and being killed in an accident. Or dying from a heart attack from eating badly. But dedicated armor for M855 green tip is a solution looking fir a problem that really doesn’t exist.
@@DaveL9170 Level 4 armor will stop said threats.
I see Shawn's point though, if you're going from soft to hard armor (as you say almost all shootings with handguns and thus soft is enough for that 90%) you may as well get as much protection as can be offered as its going to be less pleasant to wear no matter what.
@@DaveL9170 Why not prepare for worst case scenario? We're unlikely to ever need a firearm for defense yet so many Americans carry. No reason not to get the best armor.
@@DaveL9170 not if you're preparing to go against tyrannical government forces
@@JohnW-yv6yp and your armor is likely at home in a closet and not on you at the grocery store. Do you carry 17 additional mags?? Because if you don’t you’re not really prepared for the “worst case”. Do you carry frag grenades? What about smoke?
I really enjoy this testing! Please keep it up! I have always wondered how this works at extended ranges.
I'm really enjoying this new series! Old school IV8888
Didnt even watch the video and I already like it, keep them coming Eric
Great stuff, y’all are killing it with everything you’ve been doing!
Yes, killing every target with every caliber at every range. I love it.
I have been wanted to know this for a long time great video!
Answering the real questions here, loved it!
This is awesome man haha I been waiting for this
Man this is awesome. It would be cool to have a video of top 5 armor plates lol.
And to have one to discuss what different levels of armor there are.
I'd love to see some more testing like this
That was a cool video. I learned something. I also wondered about that. Now I know. Thanks!
i just want thank you guys for all the exhaustive, yet amazingly fun work you do! from keeping us informed on 2a issues, and extensive product testing. your channel is a wealth of information and i’ve learned a great deal over the years. keep up the good fight!
I live in England so I have to look to the US for proper gun channels and you’re right this is easily the best. The only downside is my friends and family are like “why the hell do you care so much about their second amendment?!” 😂
oh what i would give to spend some serious time over across the pond. i’m talking like yrs! im deeply fascinated with history and also a avid metal detectorist. my dream is to one day get over there and forget to come home.mudlarking on the thames foreshore or digging in some ancient field or forest🥳🥰
@@hardluckclub7271 id rather be in the US in a 2a sanctuary state lol. We’ve got more history over here and I love that, but my world is guns and cars and in my opinion you guys have the best of both worlds lol. The only thing is I can’t abscond with my daughter to America, I don’t think her mother would be very happy with it lol.
“At Range” man have I wanted to see this! Ty guys!
It would be cool to see what 7mm mag 300 win mag and so on with hunting ammo would do
Hollow points don't generally do well with armor. I'm not sure how all that extra speed would change things.
@@ricksanchez9669 Not all hunting bullets are hollow points though. The majority are lead nosed soft points, polymer tipped, and monolithic
@@noahhorinek what do you think is under that polymer tip? Additionally, with the exception of dangerous game bullets, most are designed to expand. Expansion does the opposite of armor penetration.
Simply put, velocity defeats armor. Any of the belted magnums (7mm, 300WM, 416, so on) will cut straight through any modern body armor. Steel, ceramic, composite, the material does very little to make a difference. Best advice is keep your head down and hope someone isn't channeling Simo, or you're f*cked.
@@stillenacht8518 no offense but you're just wrong. Ar500 steel will stop 7mm and 300wm hollow points just fine. Velocity does defeat body armor, but the make up of the projectile is very important. A tungsten core bullet at 2400fps will outperform a HP hunting round at 3200fps, every time.
Nice work fellas. Keep videos like this coming please. 💪🏻🇺🇸💪🏻
I can't wait to see more stand off tests with higher level plates. Great vid!
Awesome video guys.
Great video and velocity kills.
Actually very cool. Thanks guys
Awesome video!
Thank you for doing this video been in the market looking and considering this will help make a decision easier even though I was already at level 3+ for minimum requirement LOL
With the current offerings on the market there’s really no point in going with anything less. Even level IV plates can be thinner than this plate and almost as light weight.
Very informative. Great video. 💪
These are the tests I like keep them comming
Ah love some armor testing in the morning
thanks for the video!!!
Great video idea!
I'd really like to see the same test backed by ballistics gell or ply wood.
@@jamesh.6208 💩?
Ready to see this!!!
Legit vid!! I was thinking about getting their level 4 plates
THat wolf t shirt is really cool!
loving the content lately iv8888!
Great content, thanks bud
Thanks for the video
These have been freaking awesome I want to get a carrier and plates this kind of stuff makes me feel like I can at least know the limits on the grades
This was great thanks.
Thanks for sharing, excellent experiment and real world app
Great video!
Thank you sir!
RMA coming through with some nice body armor from my home state of Iowa!
tyvm this was very interesting, much nicer than tossing 50 rounds into the plate with rounds it was rated for
Love the vids!
Eric, youre looking great today! :)
Cool video man..
If you're shooting supers while suppressed, depending on the caliber you can shoot targets close enough to prevent the sonic crack, or the impact of the round covers that sound.
Such a big plate in terms of thickness. I was surprised when you said it was light, interesting.
Is it ceramic? My ceramic plates are about that size and they are light.
Edit: after watching more of the video, its definitely a ceramic
@Alex G I ahh I missed what they were made of. Ceramic plates are a lot lighter than steel tho lol
thanks. Greetings from Lithuania
Good info
Eric lost some weight...you look happy and healthy brother! Great vid too!
Yes, please do the level III+ I have always wondered if there is a safe distance from a rifle threat.
Very very interesting video, more of these please 👌👌🤩🤩top score
Please keep doing these longer range tests on armor. I think it is best to know what they will stop close up but also at a distance of at least 100 yards.
I like the fact that Ja used different suppressors and indifferent rifles I'm personally I love dead air But it's cool to see a video with people actually using suppressors using suppressors and not it just being a suppressor video
awesome vid!
love my Vepr SVD clone! 54R is fo real!
Great video!! Please please please do more videos with your 458 win mag!
It'd be awesome to see you guys test RMA 1092s. Got a couple sets and love em. They're thicc but light and Level III+ multicurve goodness.
Thumbs UP and shared thank you for the video. :)
i know what ammos you were talking about because of Tarkov lol. Great video guys.
I must have missed the episode on why you've got 2 tanks in the background..... either way ,it's great!!
If you bring out the level 3+ armor, bring out more interesting rounds like .45-70, .458 SOCOM, .338 Lapua, .50 Beowulf, 7.92 Mauser (Kar98K), etc. I’m interested to see what those round would really do to the level 3+ armor you’ll bring out soon.
@@Sparks00psn 😬🤔 you should watch the kentucky ballistics video , on safelifes, flexible RIFLE armor. The 458 socom zipped right through it
@Alex G I while also stopping 7.62 soviet and 556
@@Sparks00psn i wouldnt consider any rifle round in 7.62 soviet or 556 a low energy round. And the 458 in energy too? Ill admit im bias as i have one. But id equate it too a semi auto slug shotty.
i think the last demoranch video had the safelife flexible on armor testing., but dont know. It looked like it was a ceramic “dragon skin” type. Meaning it is made up of small scales instead of a large tile. The socom mightve had enough energy to break that scale bond but not really enough to make it through a true solid steel or ceramic plate.
Id be interested to see the results of a 458 socom at 2200fps monolithic 250gr hornady on any lvl 3 plates.
@Alex G I
I agree. Id love to see the high velocity cartridges tested instead of the typical lame scale it up video. A video on the high velocity and energy cartridges would be great. But most you tubers like to draw it out. We all know it will stop a 22lr
we all know bullet composition and velocity are the ley factors in defeating armor. Since almost all compositions are the same, we can just say armor is almost velocity dependent
@@allthingsconsidered3211 But it's not always velocity dependent. It all depends on the material. Velocity dependency is very true for Aramid/Kevlar soft, but not always true for PE, Steel, Ceramic. I have defeated a level III+ PE plate with subsonic (under 1130 fps) M855A1 and M80A1.. A level III+ ceramic strike face plate and even steel would laugh both of those projectiles off at that velocity.
Have you ever thought of putting a witness board behind the target in the back plate carrier?
Or maybe some ballistic gel?
Some oranges and pork chops like Paul Harrel.
@@Sparks00psn bro
Love the Wolf shirt your sporting!
I love these plates. I however did get one from rma with the 600d nylon waterproof cover ripped on the corner.
Contact them and they should make it right.
@@hansgruber9685 i did contact them trough customer service. As they dont accept any returns.
After sending photos.
They offered to email me a postal slip for the return, and to inspect it. And if issues, then rewrap it. Then send it back.
Wuat would you do? They said it just looks like the water proof cover.
This was a recent purchase. And shipping a ceramic plate 3 times seemed like a bad idea. And in times like this, i dont know when id get it back. . I dont know if it was damaged in shipping. Regardless i am up in the air on what to do.
They didnt offer to replace it , maybe they couldve once the other was in shipping. (what i wouldve done as the company)
Just beware of quaily control issues. I THINK my plate is fine. (Multicurve lvl 4 ceramic. nij tested/not approved)
I have RMA level III +. Looking forward to that video. I really like the weight and comfort level of it.
You and Chad got your own tanks!
This is good to know.
Today on irv8888 were gonna see if a U.S. politician will stop a 7.62×54R at 500 yards
Formley chuck
I literally work right next to RMA in Centerville Iowa.
I'd like to see you guys shoot rounds its not rated for out of shorter barrels and see the results. Like a 5.56 out of a 10.5, and a 7.5.
Did I miss the video with the two tanks in the background?
That m80 deformation over the heart could be game over without needing to penetrate...
The shock alone, on anyone but the most fit 20yr old .
Break out the untested but somewhat common/popular calibers. 22-250, .243, 6.5cm, 30-30, 7mm, etc.
Very curious to see the III+ torture test 🤗🤗
one test I've alway wanted to see.
We need more stuff like this that's actually useful rather than just randomly blowing stuff up
I really wasn't expecting that result at all.
Coming round a corner staring down a scar heavy at point blank range? Yowzah! I would probably expect to find out shortly if there's an afterlife at that point, body armor or not!
Plz do another long range PSL 54 video, but with decent ammo
Interesting information, it may be a small sample size, but makes me rethink fooling with straight up level 3 since green tip is so common.
This plate is polyethylene only which makes it extremely light but weak to hard core penetrators, if it had a ceramic strike face it would have stopped M855.
@@Halal_Dan Yep, but it also floats which is something I need. Won't wear steel for that reason.
@@rustychains1897 Lightweight ceramic level 3+ or a special threat plate would also be a good idea, steel is no good as armor in general.
Only problem with body armor is anyone with a gun like that will be aiming for the head
That’s Hollywood nonsense.
Center mass works
I’d love to see the 54R at the long distance but with ballistic gel behind it. What happens to the soft tissue wearing the plate when it goes through?
On top of distance it would be cool to see what happens if you hit armor at a 45° angle. It may actually stop more
Maybe it because i recently built one
But id love to see what a 450 bushmaster does to a plate…
I think it would be cool to see
Love my scar 20s
Hey Eric, just a real quick. Awesome video. But the PSOP you have there is not the original issue for the PSL rifle. The Cugir PSL rifles made for the Romanian military were sent out with matched Romanian made LPS/TIP2 4x6 scopes. Civilian market PSLs are not shipped with these anymore, and most of the time are shipped with Belarusian or Russian PSOP scopes that were not the original scopes as the LPS/TIP2 scopes are rather uncommon nowadays.
Ready for the 3+ rating video, already.
That gun is old as me literally. 🤘
Interesting would be to see if 2 soft plates made 1 hard plate.
How much more can you stop by using two level II soft plates?
What can you stop with two level IIIA soft plates?
I don’t know anyone that wants armor that won’t stop 5.56. This day and age with the way the country and political atmosphere is, everyone that I know of training and kitting up FOR 5.56 (and larger)! The most common and most likely caliber you will face in any future conflict. Anything under? Why bother?!
I’ll wear my steal plates. Got used to wearing them in the military and have continued to have and train with them. I KNOW mine will stop 5.56 and larger. I’ll take the weight and security of mind over light weight and keep my fingers crossed!
Don't steel plates have a 20 year shelf life compared to other types of plates plus weighs more than other plates.
Good information so it’s high or low 😁
Hey man could you do some lvl 4 LA police gear and maybe some rts tactical plates? Actually as a matter of fact. I'd buy the plates and send them to you for testing
Just watched "704 Tactical" test the same thing , I THINK ?? is that "Ceramic plate ?/ I did hear if you said ,thanks ! The one he tested stopped all the rifle rounds !
He tested an NIJ IV both are ceramic plates, level IV is rated to stop .30-06 M2 AP rounds.
In my testing, spartan lvl 3 steel armor will stop 5.56 M193 from a 20" barrel at 75yds, polyethylene might be lightweight but it lacks composition.
To be fair m193 is just lead core FMJ while m855 has a steel penetrator, like Eric said design of the bullet as well as velocity
@@that_guy_3714 m855 steel tip is for cold war era soviet helmets, it actually does less to armor compared to m193 because of the lower velocity.
@@SuspiciousGanymede that depends on the type of armor. Most UHMWPE lvl3 plates will stop M193 at close distance, but need considerable standoff for M855 due to bullet composition differences.
@@that_guy_3714 yes but level iii steel will stop M855, steel works differently than ceramic. The reason why M193 will penetrate at 25 feet is because steel is rated by velocity so if the bullet exceeds the velocity threshold of the plate it will go through and M855 isn't traveling fast enough to go through the plate. Also the "steel tip" isn't hardened steel its just mild steel the penetrator was designed to go through Soviet steel helmets at like 300 yards.
@@TheBamidd thats largely because ceramic and UMWPE plates are better at soaking up high velocity threats but are very poor against heavy threats like M855, M80, and 7.62x39 in the latter two cases it will stop them but have significant back face deformation.
I love this test... but... its going to just be answering the question... at what velocity does the threat become normalized. I often remind my fellows my 12.5 inch .308 is sending the projectile at velocities equal to an 18 inch barrel at about 200 yards. So shave 200 yards off and that is the equal, basically. I am just spitballing here from memory but that is about it.
Damn 5.56 did better than I thought at 200yrds , interesting video 👍
Love the test, but curious to know what the mock tanks in the background are for….
To trick German pilots.
Try It with PTRS 41...or Zastava m76 with Mauser 7.92 x 57 but Full metal jacket ! Not hunting munition.
It's a good way to think outside the box
Be very interested to repeat this test with ballistic gel behind it to see what the round does after passing through the armor at 100yrds...