This is great advice, IF you're playing an offlaner who can jungle effectively like Axe. Very helpful, but I'd love to hear about the other cases where my character can't feasibly farm multiple hard camps without buying regen.
will be one of the future videos, but i did cover some of it towards the end where some heroes just need lvls, so for instance doom or brewmaster, maybe farm one hardcamp, go back to the lane safely and once youre 6 your back
As a divine ET offlane player, your basically fucked if your lane goes bad. Levels don't help him, he can't jungle very well, this hero is basically the worst case scenario for a lane going bad. What do I do to recover? I pretty much become a support and try to gank and shake the game up by making supports tp to other lanes with my disturbances. Topson calls this "breaking the lanes". Works pretty well
Once you hit 6 with ulti, go rotate and try to get kill in mid or safelane. Take the xp rune at 7min if you're really struggling. As a offlane even if your game is rough you can still try to enable your other 2 cores.
@@Aycheffe 'Breaking' the laning stage is a very cool concept and I'm glad you heard of it before, the best advice I can give you is to continue to try to be creative when SHIT really hits the fan in your game :D Other good tip would be 1 of 2 1) ET is a lane dominating hero, hes designed and picked to snowball, likely something went very wrong in your laning stage (over agressiveness, maybe they ganked you etc) 2) try to defensively agro as much as possible in hard lanes to get through this shitty stage of the game If NONE of these work, being pro active and making shit happen elsewhere is AMAZING; keep the open mindness about this
Great video & use of the shorter form format to highlight the importance of being useful early on. Especially nice that this applies to more than just the offlane role.
Hi @@KheZuthank you for the great video. But I have seen happen several times when I leave the lane and go jungle is the hard support / pos 4 leaves the enemy core alone and pressures mid. And then the mid complains what can be done differently ? (3k bracket)
This type of content help me a lot ngl. Not so much to apply it, but to see the theory behind it, why to do it, when to do it, when not to do it and thus "easier" when it comes to playing and/or explaining it to other people.
Thanks for upcoming support videos! Listening to you talk about dota you make me feel like I could actually be good at it. Which I currently am not. But I like your videos!
This is exactly my issue when trying to play for these timings but keep feeding because I think I am supposed to stay in the lane. Excellent advice bro. Trying it out.
Thank you for the video KheZu! Looking forward to the next video. Hopefully could see your opinion on how supports should do these. 1. Set up good fight 2. Farm 3. Team fight
Super Video, Marurice. Vielen Dank! Ich spiele am liebstken Offlane und habe öfter dieses Problem - jetzt habe ich etwas an der Hand. Thx and keep it up! :-)
Awesome video.. Short, simple and you hit the main points efficiently. Keep making these videos. And definitely please, please, please keep casting with Sunsfan... You two are awesome and becoming one of favs duos, taking the number one spot from cap and svg, who are still amazing casters..
Love the video, would love to see how Collapse recovers from the offlane hero that doesnt have an ability to farm jungle or hard to go jungle. In this case Axe is able to farm (at least), so if you can find the really hard game from him or other offlaners, please give us another great video. Always love when u give us this kinda great advice.
Great ideas in this video. What do you do when your hero doesn’t have innate farming capability. In this case, Axe had ring and boots and can easily jungle. Many other heros can still jungle but a lot less efficiently as axe. For example, I play offlane hero’s night stalker, mars, and viper. Any suggestions for these heros?
Night stalker falls into the last category. He's a MONSTER when he hits lvl 6. So if youre having a bad first few lvls try to play slow untill you get lvls/phase boots. Creep agro defensively, pull a wave etc. Maybe when youre lvl 5 and u really cant lane, think about looking mid, maybe your mid is a puck, he has coil and u can just quickly move mid minute 5 with a 2 1 2 build? Otherwise, play chill till lvl 6, now most likely you should be able to take over the lane again with ULT and your spells refreshing. Call overa support to help you. Viper is a lane dominator, so similar here, ideally your lane goes well, if not, try to abuse hardcamp pulls, or deviate your skillbuild and get a lvl in W or maybe even 2 by lvl 5 and start stacking your hardcamp.
In the offlane you also have the option to go behind tower, with a ward, preferably, which is not really feasible in the safelane Even if you get caught eventually, you farmed up juicy lane creeps, and created some space because enemies usually kill you by pulling over 2-3 heroes, and all of them need to run somewhere after they end up near their own t2 It is also worth noting how Collapse is not greedy with the lane creeps even when the lane is under his tower. Abaddon shows his presence and readyness to punch him if he has a chance. Collapse ignores ranged creep, which I am sure I wouldn't
good point about the going behind the tower, I was thinking to put that into the video but decided not to atleast this game he cant cuz they have a lot of DMG + a mid who can easily rotate (boots of travel kotl)
Going through this process is so satisfying! Had a Medusa game yesterday where I got fucked 0/3 KD early on in the lane. The game ended 12/3 and it was freaking chill, only cause I followed the strategy highlighted here. Stop dying a.k.a no risky farm, farm under tower and your safe neutrals until you get your key items.
You should mention cutting the wave behind the enemy T1 tower and pulling it to the neutrals or your own T1 tower. A good enemy team will never let you play ping pong at your own tower. They will make sure all lane creeps die before they could walk to your T1 tower.
Can we please get a video around how to itemize? Pos 3 pos 1 or pos 2? Im a newish player and all i can do is follow a guide cuz i dont know/understand why to buy and what to buy
Thank you very much for the video, I look forward to as many videos from you as possible! Dota is very popular in the CIS, but unfortunately many people know English very poorly, it would be just great if there were subtitles (on TH-cam for example) in Russian, your audience would grow dramatically , trust me! Many people in Russia know you and were happy to watch such useful videos.
i thought it will be something unusual, but this is pretty standart gameplay. in my games, pos5 chase me in jungle, and enemy carry just hold wave under his tower
sorry about that You can place urself an OBS and when the support comes kinda smash him, or if they hold the wave under the tower maybe you can pull the hardcamp for equilibrium (if theyre holding wave in tower you probably have the space to pull) But that also means the carry is sacrifing a lot to keep you shut down.
+ good advice One things people need to understand, you help your teamt he MOST, ALWAYS, by enabling yourself. You can force urself with 1800 gold to make a shit move and die, delaying your blink more. Or farm 1 more minute and actually make a good move and give back to your team
yes if you have a bad laning and fed 4 times in lane, to win the game you need cancel as slark in your team and you need to not feed anymore thank you.
KheZu nice videos. I'm a 7.5k player trying to improve. Even though these videos explain concept that my skill level already know, it's still a good reminder for me not to auto pilot and pepega feed.
Also, if you are in a pub, mute/ignore what your team usually says in a situation like this. They are gonna flame you no matter what. Most people doesnt understeand the fact that even if you die, you are making a difference in the game. Focus on your timmings!
dont get me wrong but this works only when ur enemies are playing the lane bad normaly they should pull the waves and deny his farm they didnt pull once...
Great Advice tho, but my take is It's only possible cause he's playing Axe. it's hard for others to do what he just did here. Other than that seems like his carry is fine too. In most scenarios if you're losing 1 lane yet winning the other 2 then it's winnable. Also who cares? He's playing Offlane. You're Off for a reason. People don't mald when they offlaners lost their lane. Just do your job, make space, set up ur cc initiate and all. Ganking is also great in this scenarios (if you're winning other 2 lanes). Don't be that guy who asks for ganks yet you lost your lane. You're gonna get tripled killed by the safelaners whom you just fed lmao. The thing is Axe might be good at farming those neutral camps, but he's bad at ganking, especially when saving for Blink. See the balance? If you were a Slardar, Tiny or Doom who can't farm those neutrals to come back, you have an advantage in ganking without needing to get a blink dagger, but that situation is much more difficult than this scenario.
This situation is very specific and obvious for a hero like Axe, who can efficiently rotate between camps. However, the vast majority of offlaners cannot clear camps as effectively as him, making this strategy useless for most offlaners.
As an offlaner other than Axe, recovering a lost lane in Dota 2 can be very very challenging you can try rotating to other lanes specially safe, stacking and farming other jungle camps and buy ítems to help that, ganking other lanes is one of the best, and asking for assistance from teammates on ganking, and gaining experience with runes
ahhh the meta nowadays, safe lane plays like offlane from 2012, while offlane plays like the usual safelane, the map being enlarged now creates cheesy farm camps
Hey i have a question) If i picked melee 3 and there will be unreal lane like Viper+Lich lane against me, what is better to do - 1: get resources+windlace/boot and try to lane(cs/spam spells on wave+enemy/pull waves/afk under tower for waves and exp) very carefully but end up dying with a high probability or 2: get resources+stats to farm jungle and close to lane camps (to take it from enemy for example) Thanks in advance if someone will respond. :) (maybe there's video about THIS hard lanes, because Viper+someone is not Abbadon+Treant) GL not facing lanes like this
Generally stats early, cuz these heroes are not super strong lvl 1/2, most lane dominstors are strong lvl 3 (razor viper slark ursa etc) Early stats and then decide after first' 1-2 mins how the lane is going, are you owning? Maybe more stats and fight (if u have a range 4), IF NO chance of fighting, buy items like boots/windlace/sustain items that will allow you to scale/play the lane
don't you think it would be better for abaddon in this case to not shove and feed waves into tower for axe, and instead keep lane back and farm since aba isn't a flashfarmer in any case opposed to axe
not really because then Abaddon also farms way leas gold and experience and doesnt pressure the tower, i mean its always situational and it depends what you value more, but generally you want to pressure
what if i use Spirit breaker and we know he doesnt have a skill(other than his charge) to kill creeps as fast as axe or centaur or any offlaner. What would be an efficient way in this scenario.
Potentially looking around on the map for a charge (around mid for runes) 2) defensively agroing creeps all the time in the lane 3) checking if you can pull the wave behind their tower (if not a lot of stuns/slow/dmg between their heroes)
Abadon keep pushing lane so it's ez for axe to farm under tower. In case enemy doesn't push, offlane has to take risk farm enemy jungle. Best spots are 2 camps near portal outpost & alongside to enemy tower 2. Enemy rarely ward there. I just had this situation last night. Enemy safelane keep deny & never push even when i missing simply farming that camps i mentioned. He(enemy carry) so stupid. He could've clear wave & farm jungle to fast farm but he played old school gameplay. Wasted early advantage just like that.
Yeah dota isnt really played like that anymore, if the enemy carry does do this, they are also sacrificing A LOT. They sacrifice XP, Gold & pressure just to slow you down. This generally isn't good dota nowadays, most carries NEED to flashfarm, or play through their pressure (take your t1 safelane tower)
This video should be about how to not let the lane Enemy offlaner recover… if treant stack pull the small camp there wont be creeps running into tower and this axe stays lvl4….
na, he will just keep farming jungle, and then it also means his 4 is applying pressure while the Treant is deciding to keep owning the Abaddon, it's always a give and take! You do have a point, but there are always ways to recover
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This is great advice, IF you're playing an offlaner who can jungle effectively like Axe. Very helpful, but I'd love to hear about the other cases where my character can't feasibly farm multiple hard camps without buying regen.
will be one of the future videos, but i did cover some of it towards the end where some heroes just need lvls, so for instance doom or brewmaster, maybe farm one hardcamp, go back to the lane safely and once youre 6 your back
As a divine ET offlane player, your basically fucked if your lane goes bad. Levels don't help him, he can't jungle very well, this hero is basically the worst case scenario for a lane going bad. What do I do to recover? I pretty much become a support and try to gank and shake the game up by making supports tp to other lanes with my disturbances. Topson calls this "breaking the lanes". Works pretty well
Once you hit 6 with ulti, go rotate and try to get kill in mid or safelane. Take the xp rune at 7min if you're really struggling. As a offlane even if your game is rough you can still try to enable your other 2 cores.
@@Aycheffe 'Breaking' the laning stage is a very cool concept and I'm glad you heard of it before, the best advice I can give you is to continue to try to be creative when SHIT really hits the fan in your game :D
Other good tip would be 1 of 2
1) ET is a lane dominating hero, hes designed and picked to snowball, likely something went very wrong in your laning stage (over agressiveness, maybe they ganked you etc)
2) try to defensively agro as much as possible in hard lanes to get through this shitty stage of the game
If NONE of these work, being pro active and making shit happen elsewhere is AMAZING; keep the open mindness about this
Answer: don't play offlaners that can't recover in jungle. Or have backup plan - like ganking sfaelane or mid on heroes like spirit breaker
an actual breeze of fresh air from watching tournament highlights, and most importantly, trustworthy source.
thank you!
Great video & use of the shorter form format to highlight the importance of being useful early on. Especially nice that this applies to more than just the offlane role.
I hope you never stop making videos so enjoyable to watch and i realy like the way you explain everything.
thank you! I will try my best, sometimes im a lazy ass but Ill try I promise
Hi @@KheZuthank you for the great video. But I have seen happen several times when I leave the lane and go jungle is the hard support / pos 4 leaves the enemy core alone and pressures mid. And then the mid complains what can be done differently ? (3k bracket)
I knew this in my heart, but it is such an important reminder. thanks a bunch, truly goat bringing this knowledge in a 5-min format
This type of content help me a lot ngl. Not so much to apply it, but to see the theory behind it, why to do it, when to do it, when not to do it and thus "easier" when it comes to playing and/or explaining it to other people.
happy to hear that, thank you!
Thanks for upcoming support videos! Listening to you talk about dota you make me feel like I could actually be good at it. Which I currently am not. But I like your videos!
very, very well done, love the visuals! This makes it so easy to understand.
appreciate your comment!
Great video on the offlane! Will try to keep this in mind regardless of role!
love your new style of content, keep it going! much love
This is exactly my issue when trying to play for these timings but keep feeding because I think I am supposed to stay in the lane. Excellent advice bro. Trying it out.
Bro, love from Malaysia. Gotta to see you again in ESL Kuala Lumpur ❤
Thank you for the video KheZu! Looking forward to the next video. Hopefully could see your opinion on how supports should do these.
1. Set up good fight
2. Farm
3. Team fight
thx for video. almost everyone gives an example of a game with a good lining stage, but you have interesting content
your videos are so informative bro clear and concise easy to understand thank you for the content
thank you! I will make sure to continue
You always make very refreshing, and straight-forward content that you make. You inspire me very much!
as i ask u 2-3 weeks ago!! thanks khezu, im very glad to see this guide 🎉🎉🎉
Great job Khezu, I do hope our small Dota community gives the appreciation you deserve
Offline usually is already the hardest lane in my opinion. So this really helps. Ty.
Very helpful. As an offlaner i learn something from you. Thanks.
I love your videos man! Excited every time you drop one. Please make an advanced guide on playing the carry role like an immortal.
Coming in the future!
Great vid KehZu, thank you!
Thanks for the video. Hope you'll make more offlane focused guides since they're kinda hard to find.
Absolutely I will =) Thank you for the nice comment
woooow. i learnt so much from this one video and the comments than my entire life. thank you.
Super Video, Marurice. Vielen Dank! Ich spiele am liebstken Offlane und habe öfter dieses Problem - jetzt habe ich etwas an der Hand. Thx and keep it up! :-)
Awesome video.. Short, simple and you hit the main points efficiently. Keep making these videos.
And definitely please, please, please keep casting with Sunsfan... You two are awesome and becoming one of favs duos, taking the number one spot from cap and svg, who are still amazing casters..
thank you for that incredible comment =)
Bro, when are the new videos coming??
"this so simple, anyone can do this"
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Love the video, would love to see how Collapse recovers from the offlane hero that doesnt have an ability to farm jungle or hard to go jungle. In this case Axe is able to farm (at least), so if you can find the really hard game from him or other offlaners, please give us another great video. Always love when u give us this kinda great advice.
Also he had a good strong team. When that fight came Slark was pretty strong already. What if you have an AM carry and mid is feeding?
Du erklärst immer gut. Vielen Dank Khezu
Very informative video! Godspeed!
looking forward to the support videos!
its here!
Really great video! thanks
Great ideas in this video. What do you do when your hero doesn’t have innate farming capability.
In this case, Axe had ring and boots and can easily jungle. Many other heros can still jungle but a lot less efficiently as axe.
For example, I play offlane hero’s night stalker, mars, and viper. Any suggestions for these heros?
blade mail can help in jungle(+easy to use item for kills) + you can try to find kills with team on enemy's weak heroes (supports or weak cores) idk
Night stalker falls into the last category. He's a MONSTER when he hits lvl 6. So if youre having a bad first few lvls
try to play slow untill you get lvls/phase boots. Creep agro defensively, pull a wave etc.
Maybe when youre lvl 5 and u really cant lane, think about looking mid, maybe your mid is a puck, he has coil and u can just quickly move mid minute 5 with a 2 1 2 build?
Otherwise, play chill till lvl 6, now most likely you should be able to take over the lane again with ULT and your spells refreshing. Call overa support to help you.
Viper is a lane dominator, so similar here, ideally your lane goes well, if not, try to abuse hardcamp pulls, or deviate your skillbuild and get a lvl in W or maybe even 2 by lvl 5 and start stacking your hardcamp.
Dude, thank you for these videos!
In the offlane you also have the option to go behind tower, with a ward, preferably, which is not really feasible in the safelane
Even if you get caught eventually, you farmed up juicy lane creeps, and created some space because enemies usually kill you by pulling over 2-3 heroes, and all of them need to run somewhere after they end up near their own t2
It is also worth noting how Collapse is not greedy with the lane creeps even when the lane is under his tower. Abaddon shows his presence and readyness to punch him if he has a chance. Collapse ignores ranged creep, which I am sure I wouldn't
good point about the going behind the tower, I was thinking to put that into the video but decided not to
atleast this game he cant cuz they have a lot of DMG + a mid who can easily rotate (boots of travel kotl)
@@KheZu yeah this game he surely cant, but just as a general advice
Going through this process is so satisfying! Had a Medusa game yesterday where I got fucked 0/3 KD early on in the lane. The game ended 12/3 and it was freaking chill, only cause I followed the strategy highlighted here. Stop dying a.k.a no risky farm, farm under tower and your safe neutrals until you get your key items.
Great content! Keep doing what you’re doing please! It is very interesting
YES! Next content for supports! Keep it going!
I will definetly suck on a lane easely soon, !BUT! now I know what to do in that situation! Tnx KheZu.
bro i love your videos. also I have you as a legend of HoN, your warbeast offlane was crazyyyyyy good
the good old days 🥹🥹
Great video mate! Actually helpful!
Still putting out great content mate. Fan since getting stomped by you in a game of HON back in the day.
Very helpful Indeed!! Need more and more!!
I notice the laning pattern is similar to yatoro luna video.
good eye
more people at low rank should watch your videos ! keep em coming.
You should mention cutting the wave behind the enemy T1 tower and pulling it to the neutrals or your own T1 tower. A good enemy team will never let you play ping pong at your own tower. They will make sure all lane creeps die before they could walk to your T1 tower.
Can we please get a video around how to itemize? Pos 3 pos 1 or pos 2? Im a newish player and all i can do is follow a guide cuz i dont know/understand why to buy and what to buy
Very helpful man! Thanks.
I like videos that helps me recover from bad games
Looking forward for the support video 🙂
Thank you very much for the video, I look forward to as many videos from you as possible! Dota is very popular in the CIS, but unfortunately many people know English very poorly, it would be just great if there were subtitles (on TH-cam for example) in Russian, your audience would grow dramatically , trust me! Many people in Russia know you and were happy to watch such useful videos.
I will look into it!! Thank you for the nice comment
i thought it will be something unusual, but this is pretty standart gameplay. in my games, pos5 chase me in jungle, and enemy carry just hold wave under his tower
sorry about that
You can place urself an OBS and when the support comes kinda smash him, or if they hold the wave under the tower maybe you can pull the hardcamp for equilibrium (if theyre holding wave in tower you probably have the space to pull)
But that also means the carry is sacrifing a lot to keep you shut down.
i love this content, this helps me so much in my pubs
Will try my best to continue asap!
Keep it up!!! this is so so good!
When did this become the best educational Dota channel on TH-cam? Keep it up khezu!
Thank you man =)
Ty for being my coach in game for 3 min ❤😅
Im a herald now guardian on SEA ur videos are helping my gameplay Thank Sensei Khezu
I notice you! Keep going 👍😅
Wanna get out guardian it's easy
Just play healing support
And you'll get to crusader
Really nice, but this time I felt like just 1 replay to support your point wasn't so good like the previous videos
also note when you do this your team will claim youre trying to carry by bouncing between jungle,lane. just mute them and hit your timing
+ good advice
One things people need to understand, you help your teamt he MOST, ALWAYS, by enabling yourself.
You can force urself with 1800 gold to make a shit move and die, delaying your blink more.
Or farm 1 more minute and actually make a good move and give back to your team
Love ur videos bro thank you for sharing
awesome videos, look forward to support tips :)
Khezu ty for offlane help
Loving the vids Khezu ❤
Instead of flaming, Dota players should learn hot to recommend players on how to be useful!
thanks man. you make it very simple and practical . time to play axe again shhhhhhhhhhhheshhhh!
You're awesome Khezuu
Great vid again, next vid could be when to and when not to smoke?
I took note of this for the future! Nemrat
yes if you have a bad laning and fed 4 times in lane, to win the game you need cancel as slark in your team and you need to not feed anymore thank you.
Great video!
KheZu nice videos. I'm a 7.5k player trying to improve. Even though these videos explain concept that my skill level already know, it's still a good reminder for me not to auto pilot and pepega feed.
Also, if you are in a pub, mute/ignore what your team usually says in a situation like this. They are gonna flame you no matter what. Most people doesnt understeand the fact that even if you die, you are making a difference in the game. Focus on your timmings!
i have a feeling he can only farm these camps safely because of safety bubble
dont get me wrong but this works only when ur enemies are playing the lane bad normaly they should pull the waves and deny his farm they didnt pull once...
Great Advice tho, but my take is It's only possible cause he's playing Axe. it's hard for others to do what he just did here. Other than that seems like his carry is fine too. In most scenarios if you're losing 1 lane yet winning the other 2 then it's winnable.
Also who cares? He's playing Offlane. You're Off for a reason. People don't mald when they offlaners lost their lane. Just do your job, make space, set up ur cc initiate and all.
Ganking is also great in this scenarios (if you're winning other 2 lanes). Don't be that guy who asks for ganks yet you lost your lane. You're gonna get tripled killed by the safelaners whom you just fed lmao. The thing is Axe might be good at farming those neutral camps, but he's bad at ganking, especially when saving for Blink. See the balance? If you were a Slardar, Tiny or Doom who can't farm those neutrals to come back, you have an advantage in ganking without needing to get a blink dagger, but that situation is much more difficult than this scenario.
I love your videos khezu
What if your enemy is ursa?
And your is axe?
Is it still works?
would love the same content for mid lane if possible
over time I will try to make content for every role!
how is this guy is not a better player after all the tutorials?
Please do next, how to recover after a horrible breakup : TorontoTokyo POV
lets say i play position 4 and we are losing the lane like in the video, what do i do?
please find that polish bober bb, who fed 17 times to luna in 15 mins from my last game, and show him this video :D
Thank you! Please make guide on pos4 rubik 🎉😊
But what about offlaners that cant farm like slardar and night stalker
This situation is very specific and obvious for a hero like Axe, who can efficiently rotate between camps. However, the vast majority of offlaners cannot clear camps as effectively as him, making this strategy useless for most offlaners.
As an offlaner other than Axe, recovering a lost lane in Dota 2 can be very very challenging you can try rotating to other lanes specially safe, stacking and farming other jungle camps and buy ítems to help that, ganking other lanes is one of the best, and asking for assistance from teammates on ganking, and gaining experience with runes
what if my support push the lane back before it reaches tower😂
hi bro just wanted to ask what part of the set is that the one where he walk there's like TOBD effect?
I will try to check for you
ahhh the meta nowadays, safe lane plays like offlane from 2012, while offlane plays like the usual safelane, the map being enlarged now creates cheesy farm camps
Hey i have a question) If i picked melee 3 and there will be unreal lane like Viper+Lich lane against me, what is better to do - 1: get resources+windlace/boot and try to lane(cs/spam spells on wave+enemy/pull waves/afk under tower for waves and exp) very carefully but end up dying with a high probability or 2: get resources+stats to farm jungle and close to lane camps (to take it from enemy for example) Thanks in advance if someone will respond. :) (maybe there's video about THIS hard lanes, because Viper+someone is not Abbadon+Treant) GL not facing lanes like this
Generally stats early, cuz these heroes are not super strong lvl 1/2, most lane dominstors are strong lvl 3 (razor viper slark ursa etc)
Early stats and then decide after first' 1-2 mins how the lane is going, are you owning? Maybe more stats and fight (if u have a range 4), IF NO chance of fighting, buy items like boots/windlace/sustain items that will allow you to scale/play the lane
Such a gold mine of info for us low mmr scrubs.
don't you think it would be better for abaddon in this case to not shove and feed waves into tower for axe, and instead keep lane back and farm since aba isn't a flashfarmer in any case opposed to axe
not really because then Abaddon also farms way leas gold and experience and doesnt pressure the tower, i mean its always situational and it depends what you value more, but generally you want to pressure
what if i use Spirit breaker and we know he doesnt have a skill(other than his charge) to kill creeps as fast as axe or centaur or any offlaner. What would be an efficient way in this scenario.
Potentially looking around on the map for a charge (around mid for runes)
2) defensively agroing creeps all the time in the lane
3) checking if you can pull the wave behind their tower (if not a lot of stuns/slow/dmg between their heroes)
@@KheZuThanks so much man! Gonna keep this in mind.
By having his opponents not hold the lane in place
very good teacher 🙂
Abadon keep pushing lane so it's ez for axe to farm under tower.
In case enemy doesn't push, offlane has to take risk farm enemy jungle. Best spots are 2 camps near portal outpost & alongside to enemy tower 2. Enemy rarely ward there.
I just had this situation last night. Enemy safelane keep deny & never push even when i missing simply farming that camps i mentioned. He(enemy carry) so stupid. He could've clear wave & farm jungle to fast farm but he played old school gameplay. Wasted early advantage just like that.
Yeah dota isnt really played like that anymore, if the enemy carry does do this, they are also sacrificing A LOT. They sacrifice XP, Gold & pressure just to slow you down.
This generally isn't good dota nowadays, most carries NEED to flashfarm, or play through their pressure (take your t1 safelane tower)
While my offline and pos4, pos 4 jungling and offlane feeding 0 12 by 15 minutes
Good advice
This video should be about how to not let the lane Enemy offlaner recover… if treant stack pull the small camp there wont be creeps running into tower and this axe stays lvl4….
na, he will just keep farming jungle, and then it also means his 4 is applying pressure while the Treant is deciding to keep owning the Abaddon, it's always a give and take!
You do have a point, but there are always ways to recover
great video
S Tier content again