The kid is insane, my favourite pro player to watch ever. The clip from the Ceb documentary cemented it for me, where misha says something like 'we need to pick meta heroes these drafts are not working' and Ammar shuts it straight down and says 'no, we win because we play comfort hero, razor not meta, timber not meta but these win'. Hard to believe how young this guy is with his insane and meta shaping knowledge. Hope falcons don't run over everything now and get nerfed hard before TI, but ATF the type of player to not worry about that
Completely agree - ATF is quickly building a legacy of a dota legend like others before him (Sumail, Miracle, etc) - Misha will only be remembered as some coach who tried to question Ammar lol
I remember watching gorp stream when he asked gorp if he could add him and saying "LMAO WHAT 12 YEAR OLD NAMES THEMSELVES AMMAR THE FUCKER" little did I know he was like 14 or 15 at the time @@supesulgi
If I remember correctly, OG were winning games and Ammar was on the helm with razor and Mars with aghs and there’s a new patch came in and the nerfs were directed to his heroes. That’s where also people “bash” him for not playing zoo heroes when the meta is all about pushing.
@@jakugarcia that's my point, specifically timber and razor weren't meta and that's what Ammar was saying and was right about in the clip from the Ceb documentary I mentioned. People bash him for not playing the zoo meta but OG won playing their way and Ammar saw that in the moment and at 17 was calling out the coach like he did which shows greatness imo
TLDW: Ammar is kind of like Quinn of the offlane. He fights for every single CS, he has insane button pressing abilities, and he plans to outskill the enemy.
I’d love to see more offlane content it feels like there’s creators for every other position in dota but offlane is rarely discussed. Great video as always thanks.
you honestly make the best educational content out of all the DotA 2 creators. would love to see a specific hero educational now and then like what you used to do in HoN 💕
That is not the only reason why Ammar is dominating right now. He is also insane at counterpicking enemy, he sometimes pick slark offlane, razor offlane, antimage offlane, in order to beat his opponent in lane and dominate them. And he isn't scared of picking the same 3 heroes that he master in order to win, creating a disruption in banning phase, where the enemy has to ban his timber, mars, razor and waste 3 bans. His map awareness and his macro play is also insane where he always gets more farm than an average offlaner should, and with all that networth he always performs and make the enemy know that he is the greatest threat in the game. The only drawbacks i see is he being greedy making all the other core farm less. But a team that can use Ammar into his greatest potential will have the strongest offlaner in this current patch.
This is accurate, been watching his games lately and he plays offlane so well his net worth is often extremely high. He doesn't die to disrupt (which I think too many offlaners do) which is fine to make space but honestly isn't always necessary. I like ATF's style so much because he's essentially a semi carry by mid game. Also from some reason he reminds me of Topson in the sense that he makes other people play his game through his consistency, which many of your points made clear to me.
Nitpick about the bonk on lonedruid at about 3:27: He bonks him for 3/12 bars of health (well between 3 and 4), so between 25-33%, however the bear dies too, so it’s less than 25%. That said - great guide! Making the toilet breaks much more satisfying (and prolonged lol)
Honestly this guy is just insane. Ever since his days in OG, I think everyone saw the potential of him and rightly so after his performance in other teams. He did struggle early on because his heroes kept getting banned and he lacked versatility but now that vulnerability is no longer there with him having a wider range of heroes. Great player and also entertaining.
Google ammar brood mother in Quest what a player every OG fans said he cant play zoo heroes 😂 AMMAR LIKE COMFORT HEROES NOT META HEROES.... like misha 😅
Very clear! It's true on one side that we think we do (or try to do) more or less the same... But it's interesting the fact to pull the creeps to the left when laning... The separation of waves, the thing about luna 80dmg & forcing the creeps to strike you... Crazy details that matter
the confidence of this guy in his plays is astronomical compared to other players, and he has the skills to back that up, that makes him a cut above the rest😮
i remember out of nowhere in one of the tournamernt he was shining with Timbersaw which had not been played by anone before in that tournament and he made a meta out of that unused hero after that players were picking timbersaw everygame like how Collapse did with Mag at the TI . Ever since i always look forward to watching his game and looks like he finally found a team where he can actually play together as a team and his mates understands him . He is a TI winning potential player but lets see how they do at TI together if they dont change the rooster .
The fact that he was not picked by a team for so long is insane. He's one of these new players that stands out as a potential new great. Doing so good in Falcons.
Done some of those venge-blocking plays myself as a mars (or as DK just blinked where I bet he would be cuz carry was kinda baiting) against a whole lot worse enemies of course. Those felt like real dota, but 99% time in my bracket no matter the game the teams just afk hover around an area and wont fight until the offlaner blinks in to suicide x) I love any game where other roles kinda make things start and chaos happen, force plays etc so the 3 with big CD can jump in and make that huge arena or black hole or RP, but that's like 1/10 :( Would love to learn how to setup the team in draft to make this happen more reliably, but little does it help me when in pubs I need to first pick 9/10 times
I'm on my way to Ammar's level. I also do the keep enemy creeps alive as long as possible to delay the wave push. That's pretty much the only thing ATF and I have in common.
Glad you are on the dota2 panel in the mainstream, you and BSJ make every discussion informative and fun! P.S. still spamming your chat wheel, and I swear it tilts the enemy hard.
Watching Ammar play is like witnessing pure Dota 2 magic unfold. His 73% competitive winrate speaks volumes, but it's the small nuances and expert moves that truly set him apart.
and thats how your build a team, this team had synergy aui maybe had biggest factor to connect it cause hes in every video passionate how to explain things in dota works
Ammar is indeed a fresh air among the offlaner players. It's his challenge to win big titles now, to be legendary as Universe, Faith_Bian and Collapse. Mind Control and Ceb are honorable mentions as well, but If I may speak in terms of invidual's skill level. The first three are definitely GOAT.
I'd appreciate some mid MMR (sub immortal) to top MMR analogies of fundamentals and where do mid MMR players go wrong after a good enough start to their game
One of the things that got me so into dota recently is my countrie's representation in the pro circuit, and generally there are alot more Arabs in the scene than any other esport I've played so far :DD
I see ATF like the combination of Sumail + Topson. Sumail's younger days - his bravado, cheekiness and confidence which shapes his playstyle to be reckless yet calculated with a hint of genius. Topson - the TI9 Chadson, the type of player who goes out of his way to build unconventional build but after you zoom out you be like "oooooooooh thats why he bought those items"
Like I always said, as much people don't like him cuz of his personality, he's talented and you can't deny that. His expertise on his comfort heroes shows the level of dedication for the game.
The most basic and most common thing the entire Dota community forgets is that, the techniques, the procedure, the plays, everything you hear and watch is ALL about tournament matches where there are players in your team who can actually play this game. When you get hooked in a PUB games, this entire encyclopaedia of the "PRO TIPS & TECHNIQUES" goes straight down to your commode and mergers with the pile of turd accumulated in your drainage. Even the great Ammar the destroyer gets destroyed like an egg shell when he plays pub matches. So in reality this game is all about how good the 5 heroes including your own can synergies with eachother and create a get go strategy to win the games. Most the people (who have actually understood the game) target for opponent's bad habits, they know that even if god enters in their team there is no way they can win 2 vs 5. So what they do is target the player of enemy team who is making the good calls for his team, then they catch them always with the little bad habits they make. Such as: always farming in same camps, always following certain hero, always spotted in certain lane, etc. And when they focus on that player the game starts to shift in their favour and eventually (if the team dnt faqs up in the greed for kills) they end the game and win. I can give you a blank cheque and tell you to write a number which can be your sum of money to guarantee that, there is no roadmap for this game to make you win your pub games. Once the game itself decides to pair you with trollers in matches not even god can save you from losing games. This game is literally designed to keep you in the same rank, and there are very little things you can do to overcome the mechanics of the game itself. So stop watching bull crap videos like this, this is nothing but waste of time.
I know what makes ammar good, MALR1NE. This dude i was saying since Nemiga, i knew he was going to stand in in ti and be hired by t1 teams soon, it happened. Such a joy to the eyes to watch him play.
it's a lot about positioning and understanding which creeps are important, its very hard to try and explain this over text. Basically the best players will force situations and mistakes out of you. Sometimes you will get outplayed
thank you for the answer. love your insight on games on dreamleague is that kind of stuff video worthy, if it's too hard to explain through text?@@KheZu
The kid is insane, my favourite pro player to watch ever. The clip from the Ceb documentary cemented it for me, where misha says something like 'we need to pick meta heroes these drafts are not working' and Ammar shuts it straight down and says 'no, we win because we play comfort hero, razor not meta, timber not meta but these win'. Hard to believe how young this guy is with his insane and meta shaping knowledge. Hope falcons don't run over everything now and get nerfed hard before TI, but ATF the type of player to not worry about that
That's true. Ammar is one of the pro players who played Timbersaw when he was out of meta. He's like a really good specialist player.
Completely agree - ATF is quickly building a legacy of a dota legend like others before him (Sumail, Miracle, etc) - Misha will only be remembered as some coach who tried to question Ammar lol
I remember watching gorp stream when he asked gorp if he could add him and saying "LMAO WHAT 12 YEAR OLD NAMES THEMSELVES AMMAR THE FUCKER" little did I know he was like 14 or 15 at the time @@supesulgi
If I remember correctly, OG were winning games and Ammar was on the helm with razor and Mars with aghs and there’s a new patch came in and the nerfs were directed to his heroes. That’s where also people “bash” him for not playing zoo heroes when the meta is all about pushing.
@@jakugarcia that's my point, specifically timber and razor weren't meta and that's what Ammar was saying and was right about in the clip from the Ceb documentary I mentioned. People bash him for not playing the zoo meta but OG won playing their way and Ammar saw that in the moment and at 17 was calling out the coach like he did which shows greatness imo
this is literally one of the best tutorial vids ive seen on top of featuring a pro player as an example. Good job!
TLDW: Ammar is kind of like Quinn of the offlane. He fights for every single CS, he has insane button pressing abilities, and he plans to outskill the enemy.
Don't insult Ammar by putting him on the same level as Quinn
Quinn is very good. Ammar is too. Both have not won the aegis tho.@heerakathakor6016
Quinn is crazy good, on Pango
@@heerakathakor6016 lol you like him or not, Quinn is very good on the mid lane. And both are very toxic so fair comparison imo
I wonder who's the Safelane carry equivalent to these 2? Probably none yet but I think maybe Ceb and TorontoTokyo fits 4 and 5 respectively.
The way he last hit/deny at the very last moment is so disgusting lol... that lucent beam bait to denying the ranged creep is so simple yet insane...
Like it’s hard to do
@@mozinha maybe not in herald
@@mozinha ok mr ancient at best
@@mozinha saw ur vids lil bro, even at cs u suck, ur legend a t best
@@orlandoactab3034 That wasn’t even me except for the 1v4. Calm down ammar fans.
I’d love to see more offlane content it feels like there’s creators for every other position in dota but offlane is rarely discussed. Great video as always thanks.
you honestly make the best educational content out of all the DotA 2 creators. would love to see a specific hero educational now and then like what you used to do in HoN 💕
Also been a Kezhu Fan since HoN vids, I am upvoting this.
That is not the only reason why Ammar is dominating right now. He is also insane at counterpicking enemy, he sometimes pick slark offlane, razor offlane, antimage offlane, in order to beat his opponent in lane and dominate them. And he isn't scared of picking the same 3 heroes that he master in order to win, creating a disruption in banning phase, where the enemy has to ban his timber, mars, razor and waste 3 bans.
His map awareness and his macro play is also insane where he always gets more farm than an average offlaner should, and with all that networth he always performs and make the enemy know that he is the greatest threat in the game. The only drawbacks i see is he being greedy making all the other core farm less. But a team that can use Ammar into his greatest potential will have the strongest offlaner in this current patch.
This is accurate, been watching his games lately and he plays offlane so well his net worth is often extremely high. He doesn't die to disrupt (which I think too many offlaners do) which is fine to make space but honestly isn't always necessary. I like ATF's style so much because he's essentially a semi carry by mid game. Also from some reason he reminds me of Topson in the sense that he makes other people play his game through his consistency, which many of your points made clear to me.
Nitpick about the bonk on lonedruid at about 3:27:
He bonks him for 3/12 bars of health (well between 3 and 4), so between 25-33%, however the bear dies too, so it’s less than 25%. That said - great guide! Making the toilet breaks much more satisfying (and prolonged lol)
Honestly this guy is just insane. Ever since his days in OG, I think everyone saw the potential of him and rightly so after his performance in other teams. He did struggle early on because his heroes kept getting banned and he lacked versatility but now that vulnerability is no longer there with him having a wider range of heroes. Great player and also entertaining.
Google ammar brood mother in Quest what a player every OG fans said he cant play zoo heroes 😂 AMMAR LIKE COMFORT HEROES NOT META HEROES.... like misha 😅
The only thing is people complain about his hero pool
Tldr lil bro is one of a kind BEAST
omg i just noticed it was khezu all the time. Top tier video,man -new sub
Takes a good offlaner to recognize other. Love how you break down the advanced stuff and explain it to us heralds! Great video!
Very clear! It's true on one side that we think we do (or try to do) more or less the same... But it's interesting the fact to pull the creeps to the left when laning... The separation of waves, the thing about luna 80dmg & forcing the creeps to strike you... Crazy details that matter
the confidence of this guy in his plays is astronomical compared to other players, and he has the skills to back that up, that makes him a cut above the rest😮
Thank you for giving us professional insight into these plays that are hard to see with 2k mmr eyes.
i remember out of nowhere in one of the tournamernt he was shining with Timbersaw which had not been played by anone before in that tournament and he made a meta out of that unused hero after that players were picking timbersaw everygame like how Collapse did with Mag at the TI . Ever since i always look forward to watching his game and looks like he finally found a team where he can actually play together as a team and his mates understands him . He is a TI winning potential player but lets see how they do at TI together if they dont change the rooster .
Top notch content Khezu, years of playing dota and no one explained the complexity of pro level team fight better than this. Thank you!
7:47 is insane
Amazing video, Khezu, thanks as always for teaching us something interesting & useful! Loving your videos
That creep aggroing before falling to 80hp is a small detail but greatly impacts the lane is impressive asf
KheZu, thank you for the content - please keep it coming. Cheers.
great analysis khezu so detailed ❤ love it
Jenkins : we can't call full name, what atf are you
ATF: ammar the fucker (during live)
Jenkins : what did i expect from Atf 😂😂
Great analysis k. Subbed
There's levels to this game
OG kicking Ammar for not playing zoo heroes will be remembered as one of the worst in dota history
Dota has come a long way man, props to the new players!
the lucent beam bait is really mind blown for me. holy shit! this kid is genius.
Them: You have a superiority complex
Ammar: But I am superior.
Great content. Love to see more of this type of content for other players.
7:49 OMG this blowd my mind LOLOLOL its simple but awesome
I love expert in offlane players, they're the main game decider on how to play the match. Alongside with midlaner.
The fact that he was not picked by a team for so long is insane. He's one of these new players that stands out as a potential new great. Doing so good in Falcons.
Done some of those venge-blocking plays myself as a mars (or as DK just blinked where I bet he would be cuz carry was kinda baiting) against a whole lot worse enemies of course.
Those felt like real dota, but 99% time in my bracket no matter the game the teams just afk hover around an area and wont fight until the offlaner blinks in to suicide x)
I love any game where other roles kinda make things start and chaos happen, force plays etc so the 3 with big CD can jump in and make that huge arena or black hole or RP, but that's like 1/10 :(
Would love to learn how to setup the team in draft to make this happen more reliably, but little does it help me when in pubs I need to first pick 9/10 times
Nice video Khezu... interesting to see how offlane plays are done
Bro is crushing everyone's dreams as we speak
No, he's shitting the street
7:48 broo thats 100000 iq
It's his disgust toward Misha that fueled him more fiery.
Amazing analysis Khezu!! Great focus on the details which actually make all the difference in a Dota match. Much love to you and to Ammar 🙏🏼
enjoyable content as always!
thank you!
I still remember Timado all chat "Mercy" on Ammars Slardar in laning and it happens in pro league
I'm on my way to Ammar's level. I also do the keep enemy creeps alive as long as possible to delay the wave push. That's pretty much the only thing ATF and I have in common.
Ammar won his 4th Major LAN this season. This video continues to age well.
AMMAR the GOD OF MARS..... GGWP bro... very very intertaining...
It’s cool to see the great Khezu himself explaining this, rich content indeed! 👊🏼
7:45 is actually insane
More videos like this analyzing proplayers. Love to see an OG squad analysis
Glad you are on the dota2 panel in the mainstream, you and BSJ make every discussion informative and fun!
P.S. still spamming your chat wheel, and I swear it tilts the enemy hard.
great content Khezu! lets go 50k subs!
Its not too late bro, your content amazes me ! ❤❤❤
Ammar is the Dota version of "Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face"
great content for all ranks, from herald to immortal. tysm for upload.
That aggro was insane when luna tried to use beam.
So he's basically Topson but in offlane
Watching Ammar play is like witnessing pure Dota 2 magic unfold. His 73% competitive winrate speaks volumes, but it's the small nuances and expert moves that truly set him apart.
and thats how your build a team, this team had synergy aui maybe had biggest factor to connect it cause hes in every video passionate how to explain things in dota works
Great video. Really loved the analysis.
I learned something new today. Thanks for sharing.
So good analysis. Keep up the good work bro
ammar is like the topson of offlane but he always plays aggressively and not for space. He uses non meta offlane am slark tiny uses weird items too
ya most of his heroes is always got ban, i remember last match that team spirit ban all ammar's hero, yet still win lol
@@squiggaz you cant ban ammar anymore. He has too many heroes now. Guy isnt even 20 and is still peaking
@@urekmazino5125 yea ammar the GOAT
Ammar is indeed a fresh air among the offlaner players.
It's his challenge to win big titles now, to be legendary as Universe, Faith_Bian and Collapse.
Mind Control and Ceb are honorable mentions as well, but If I may speak in terms of invidual's skill level. The first three are definitely GOAT.
i mean he already one 3 major tournaments
Pog video, would love a video like this with a player on every role, analyzing their moves and what sets them apart in games
I'd appreciate some mid MMR (sub immortal) to top MMR analogies of fundamentals and where do mid MMR players go wrong after a good enough start to their game
I cannot believe he is 3k mmr back then 2017 or 18 i dont remember but now he is one of the best
Great video as always mr khezu
ATF owned that liquid series.. after I saw his performance in game 1.. i got confident on my -2.5 parlay 😂😂
Thank you KheZu, I love you..
One of the things that got me so into dota recently is my countrie's representation in the pro circuit, and generally there are alot more Arabs in the scene than any other esport I've played so far :DD
Hey Khezu, miss your videos, plz come back bro!!!
After watching esl Birmingham, I'm now a fan of his sister. Atf is really good.
I want to see more videos like this on different pro players
I see ATF like the combination of Sumail + Topson.
Sumail's younger days - his bravado, cheekiness and confidence which shapes his playstyle to be reckless yet calculated with a hint of genius.
Topson - the TI9 Chadson, the type of player who goes out of his way to build unconventional build but after you zoom out you be like "oooooooooh thats why he bought those items"
Great breakdown thank you.
Having received the bonus of the version, of course he is very strong in his own right.
he has one of the best mechanics I have ever seen
Good stuff man 100%
I knew he was good, but your break down of creep aggro mechanics made me even more impressed with him
Khezu the goat with these offlane videos
Great video Khezu!
Jenkins 0:06 - *Yea i expected this*
Like I always said, as much people don't like him cuz of his personality, he's talented and you can't deny that. His expertise on his comfort heroes shows the level of dedication for the game.
Would be next ammar game review in esl s22.. He's picking other than his usual hero pool
Well he's very old and play in a pro scene for a long time, experienced player indeed
Maybe some update on how you feel about dark seer this patch
finally found someone who can see ammar's skill!
Can you please do a video like this on what makes crit or sneyking so good? Basically a "how are 12k mmr supp players so good"
Blinks in and dooms an offlaner.
awesome content, keep it up
Hey do you still plan on making new videos? No one else really makes content like this where they analyze pro play
The most basic and most common thing the entire Dota community forgets is that, the techniques, the procedure, the plays, everything you hear and watch is ALL about tournament matches where there are players in your team who can actually play this game. When you get hooked in a PUB games, this entire encyclopaedia of the "PRO TIPS & TECHNIQUES" goes straight down to your commode and mergers with the pile of turd accumulated in your drainage.
Even the great Ammar the destroyer gets destroyed like an egg shell when he plays pub matches. So in reality this game is all about how good the 5 heroes including your own can synergies with eachother and create a get go strategy to win the games. Most the people (who have actually understood the game) target for opponent's bad habits, they know that even if god enters in their team there is no way they can win 2 vs 5. So what they do is target the player of enemy team who is making the good calls for his team, then they catch them always with the little bad habits they make. Such as: always farming in same camps, always following certain hero, always spotted in certain lane, etc. And when they focus on that player the game starts to shift in their favour and eventually (if the team dnt faqs up in the greed for kills) they end the game and win.
I can give you a blank cheque and tell you to write a number which can be your sum of money to guarantee that, there is no roadmap for this game to make you win your pub games. Once the game itself decides to pair you with trollers in matches not even god can save you from losing games. This game is literally designed to keep you in the same rank, and there are very little things you can do to overcome the mechanics of the game itself. So stop watching bull crap videos like this, this is nothing but waste of time.
Ammar is the guy that says "Just do _______" but he can do it....
Yeah, guy is a beast.
why did you stop makind videos? those are pretty good, very informative
I know what makes ammar good, MALR1NE. This dude i was saying since Nemiga, i knew he was going to stand in in ti and be hired by t1 teams soon, it happened. Such a joy to the eyes to watch him play.
Nice content, I like it, you are the best dota 2 player in the world. keep it up
ive been doing youtube for many many years. If you don't like it, don't watch it brother
My career is also anything but a failure =) - thank you!
@@KheZu ?? why are you so agressive?
@@muntaserdagher5570 KEKW nice edit
so... what is the counterplay to him in lane? what does micke need to do to have respectable cs in lane, if the first question wasn't specific enough?
Micke should just go div 3 like a good d tier carry he is
it's a lot about positioning and understanding which creeps are important, its very hard to try and explain this over text.
Basically the best players will force situations and mistakes out of you. Sometimes you will get outplayed
thank you for the answer. love your insight on games on dreamleague
is that kind of stuff video worthy, if it's too hard to explain through text?@@KheZu
So good that he can't take any losses
how can i control the lane as Ammer if my great support keep fucking hitting creeps or hitting hero to trigger aggro and pull them away?
Wow i learn so much from this video
One more thing that I heard from a Chinese commenter that Ammar always willing to buy team item even it doesn’t t his hero
Nice vid!