How Supports Can Solo Win Every Game: 10K MMR Advice
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 มิ.ย. 2024
- In this video I've analyzed my own game and explained the decisions that I made in my game to help people understand there are literally decisions that you can make as a support player that control the game.
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
1:01 Initial plan (Starting items, Skill build, Camp Block)
3:55 Lane (Range Creep, Positioning, Items)
7:15 Lotus (2 ways to secure) & Benefits
8:27 Value of consumables (Regen resources)
10:24 TP Usage
11:30 Power Rune
12:32 Wisdom Rune
14:38 TP Usage (Game winning)
16:13 Post Laning Stage (Carrying as Support)
21:04 Target selection Breakdown
23:38 Reset after bad play
25:44 Spell Usage & Positioning in Fights
28:42 Team fight
30:24 Summary & Outro
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Hey man your videos are awesome and your information behind every min is really gold and smart. I really like that high suport/players have this reading of map and the "why" of their decision in the game 😁. Keep uploading your videos are really original.
Glad you like them!
More videos like this - good to show despair examples where you're constantly reacting and losing
This is brilliant - super helpful… once I experienced controlling the early game as support like this, I chose it as my main role!
man that was so devastating ink swelling the cm to kill mid XD support duo balling all over the enemy team
FINALLY SUPPORT VIDEO THANKS GOD
I haven't even finished the video yet. But amazing job. Would love to see more of this style. It's kinda like a replay analysis or educational commentary, except the structure of the video really helps emphasize the bite sized points your making. So much easier to absorb this way.
thanks!
Great video. More like this please! Especially would love to see a game where you're playing well but still losing, and how you handle it.
Great video! Couple questions I have:
- 4:28 - You say you can't manfight jakiro, which is true. But mars can't either, so one of you has to tank the spells and right clicks from jakiro. Would you say it's better for mars to tank it and you give him tangos, because jakiro will have to push the wave into you to go on mars?
- 4:40 - You say to always play on the opposite side of the lane, but isn't this only true if the small camp stays blocked? Let's say jakiro dewards the small camp and tries to stack it at 1:55. You would have to tank a bunch of damage trying to body block or reblock the camp with a sentry. Is it worth it to stay in lane hitting alch, or in this case would you be fine moving to the left side of lane to contest camps?
- 6:39 - This is when you fly yourself a stick and eat one of the 2 mangos. Since they were spamming spells from the start, would it be better to start with 3 tangos, blood grenade, 1 mango, faerie, sentry, 1 branch, and magic stick? (basically, losing 1 tango+mango+branch in exchange for magic stick) The magic stick would have at least 5 charges by the time your courier gets to you, which is more hp regen than the extra mango, and you didn't need to use the 2nd mango before the courier got to you. Then, your courier would be tango, salve, mango, sentry or something like that
Lastly, some video ideas or things I think would be useful
- Some games, all of your cores are very farm heavy and don't make early moves well (e.g. pa, sniper, dark seer). In these cases, how do you setup the map as a team to farm well while not getting picked off, so that you can hit your midgame timing? In these games, it can be risky to contest runes, etc. even if you're ahead in gold because none of your cores help that much.
- I like how you point out the mistakes you made - maybe a replay review of a lower rank (5-6k mmr) where you point out some of the mistakes that lower ranks make would be useful. I used to watch dubu's replay reviews and found it very insightful.
yes i can give tango to mars. I'll play opposite to jakiro so if jakiro tries to hit me he takes creep aggro and takes extra damage. if he tries to hit mars in that case me and mars both can hit him back together (also i can use my spells) but if i'm playing the same side then mars cannot connect.
if jakiro dewards i don't mind it because the time he's gonna take to deward in that time i'm gonna make alchemist suffer with right click and spell damage. i also have spells to farm small camp if jakiro pulls it. the main issue is i dont want jakiro to stack, either i'll place another sentry to block while he's stacking or i'll fight him while he's busy stacking, he cant stack and fight me at the same time ( he'll take damage from neutrals too, perfect time for me to block small). In stacking case i'll move to camp but i need to keep an eye on alchemist, don't want to end up in 2v1 situation.
you're right about starting with magic stick.
thanks for the video ideas!
amazing vid from an immortal pos3 perspective too, nice work :)
Generally very insightful video. Its nice for a pos 4/5 player like myself to have the game broken down into smaller bits, and makes it much easier to understand. Would definitely like more like this one! 👍🔥
Incredible video keep up the great work
im very impressed with your indepth knoledge of the game. impressing video
I like that you highlight both good and bad decision !
Man what a great support video. I would love too watch you go over a lich replay, along with warding aspects to help defend the carry
Best video you've produced yet.
LOVE this format
as a person who likes to play supp thank you for giving me direction and not sit on lane and wait for a lucky play
Dude, thank you so much for this guide, finally things make sense to me as a newbie!
❤ From India!
Appreciate your video, I've played support since the first day I play dota most because of my low-mechanic and slowhand 😄. But the more i play support, the more I love it and understand the role's importance and how a support can dictate the game since minute 1
Great video brother.
Decision 19,5: Not getting emotional because Ursa bought back.
Great content man!
One huge thing i learned early was if you think "what could i do diff, or what did i do wrong" constantly and especially when u die.. you learn faster.
Aimless playing will never improve a player
A herald support that thanks you for your amazing job as explaining. Keep up the good works ! peace
great video! Personally, I’d like to see you do an analysis of a closer game that goes late. Eg. How to play a teamfight in the late game. How to play the map in different late game scenarios. Thanks!
I can relate to various parts of the video, and I've learned some new things I didn't know. But in short, it's better to be proactive than to be the one to react.
Bro, bsj and speed are so over rated. I follow many dota channels but this is gold❤. Keep up the good work
New subscriber here mate.. 🎉 love ur videos... Im old but young on heart... Im from herald and now im archon right now... Hope i can climb up
More of this video thanks
the best support videos
Good video
20:42 insane had no idea this was possible
Are you making the shotcalls or does CM just know to follow you around? Wondering whats happening via voice comms
I'm making the shotcalls.
You cannot expect people to understand what you're thinking (communicate whatever you want them to do) and honestly nobody is going to do anything unless you're making calls
You have the best support guide ever！
So the most important part of the game is the early game？i noticed none of this play is possible beyond early game is just too dangetous.
thanks!
every part is important be it early game or team fight but yes if as support you've more control in the early game. By control I mean if you're not feeding in your lane, always helping your midlaner with power rune and keep an eye for tp rotations you can change a lot of things.
16:46 you can use the portal to go down instead of tp
i just feel helpless as a support at times like for example after giving the carry a really good lane phase, he then start diving recklessly because he felt invincible and the team starts losing because of the feeding. can u show us a game of yours where u look like you are actually losing because of bad teammates then you turn it around due to your support decisions?
sure soon!
How did you refill the bottle charges?
bottle gets refilled with fountain aura (from base). When you TP from base to somewhere you still have fountain aura effect on you for few seconds (2-3) seconds. If bottle gets passed to you when you've fountain aura, it gets refilled
Thank you!
do you have twitch?
no
who would win, a team with 4 4kmmr players with 10k mmr support captain vs team with 4 4kmmr player with 4k support captaidn and 10k carry player?
whoever has a good draft and better understanding of game.
10:00 question: why not die to neutrals instead?
dying to neutrals doesn't give you free tp scroll on death and when you die to neutrals your death timer is more than usual. ''Dying to a neutral creep now results in a minimum death time of 26 seconds.''
@@AhsanDotakinda confuse why does the graph show that jakiro killed you when you obviously killed jakiro way earlier?
None were related to vision right? Or did I miss that…
there's not. will keep that in mind next time
im so bad at predicting supports like if its soft or hard. like in your example for all i know i will be laning with wd there.
it varies from bracket to bracket. maybe in your bracket jakiro would've been preferred on 4
Its good, good guides. Things are very different in archon/legend. For example, Decision 18: Carry player in low rank do not contest dewards, carry stays in lane and focus on LH. Its such a huge difference in carry skill. A lot of these decisions dont work in low MMR. Example, I try refill bottle for mid, they dont react (probably dont know about it), then lane partner dies solo because I am not in lane. Its very, VERY difficult to leave low MMR as support main.
I am trying my best though. Your guide helps.
same problems in higher brackets as well. you just need to communicate everything 5-10 seconds before and communicate in a way that people don't get offended. Show them whatever you're saying will give them more value.
At around 10 min, you purposely died in the tower. Yes they didn't get exp but they got gold for it, was that really worth it?
yes it was worth it. dying to tower gives less gold than dying to actual hero.
Main reason to die to tower was - if i had used courier to bring regen resources it would take a lot of time(because courier's speed gets slowed if it is carrying salve/mango/clarity) and then i'd have to stay afk till then. if i walked base that would've taken so much time too so i just saved my gold and time by dying to tower while giving enemy only a little gold (no XP)
@@AhsanDota Wtf the courier is slower than normal if you have regen on it???
@@scowlyy yes
Decision 1: Buy a stick
great video great content but i hate to bring this its hard to understand the accent edited in subtitles will make a huge difference on ur content
thanks! done.
thats insane u already added them dang man try to find an auto subtitle editor so it adds it in the video with no effort its really good for retention and view count@@AhsanDota
Why die to tower and not neural creeps? They got gold
dying to tower gives less gold than dying to actual hero so it's whatever. The value i got is more than giving 150 gold to enemy.
Main reason to die to tower was - if i had used courier to bring regen resources it would take a lot of time(because courier's speed gets slowed if it is carrying salve/mango/clarity) and then i'd have to stay afk till then. if i walked base that would've taken so much time too so i just saved my gold and time by dying to tower while giving enemy only a little gold (no XP).
If you die to neutral you've a minimum respawn time of 26 seconds which is a lot for early game and you don't even get Free TP upon death, that's why tower.
Actually the first mistake is not guessing correctly who will you be against in lane. Too ez to make that mistake in 2k :)))).
:(((
first :D
deseasions?
I do agree that being a support and not being passive is what wins you games. But at the 3k bracket, 7/10 games are unwinnable unless you have a decent cores. When I mean decent, it's someone who hits cs, knows their timings and isn't ego tripping maniac who griefs. The 7/10 games usually comes with your last pick safe lane sf, last pick mid heroes like riki, offlaners picking unconventional heroes like zues. But that's not the worst part, most of the time, these players play and act like literal bots. No map awareness, no game sense, doesn't even type to chat and feeds on purpose without casting any spells in team fights. Yes you heard me, 7/10 of my games, I get this of behaviors as a support. At least I played core roles, my decision can have greater impact for my team to control maps or hit objectives. As a support, yeap... You're stuck with core wannabes who never types in chat and feeds needlessly like your typical bots.
This is what I believed and trust me this mindset didn't let me improve and i was hard stuck 9k.
There might be something that you can fix in your game to have good results.
whether it's 3k or 10k every bracket has bad players that do really questionable things. If you focus on your game and avoid everything bad, misplays around you, you might be able to do better.
Maybe because you didn’t create opportunities for your cores??
If those bots can stay at your rank that means you do something equally as bad as them😂, valve doesn't hate you and isn't putting bad players on your team and only good players on enemy team
@@elvis4868 if that the case then why does my enemy team never gotten this sort of players in game?
@@athenaallen6119 yeh ok mate
"10k mmr"
This isn’t league of legends
whats ur point?
You are 10k MMR and this was your logic for starting items? 2 sets of tangoes when you can possibly waste the first set until your courier arrived with the second set which you will get from runes ( 95% of all games at least). Instead of getting a magic wand in an aggressive lane where you yourself said "they will be casting a lot of spells " I call bs. I do all of what you say and it isn't enough to climb as support. At least not in WEU. If you do all of these tips, and your team feeds you lose or the enemy team above crusader knows how to counter you. You might get to people who don't know how to counter you at archon but only if lucky. If you believe this can get you to immortal I want to see stats of you solo queueing from herald to divine in WEU with those tips and make it.
Let me save you some time. You will make it but it will take you 2+ years of grind....
Tango on courier makes courier slower
@@elvis4868 you get it right after you first item delivery and I doesn't slow your game play at all. It will be there by minute 2 and you won't be of the first set of tangoes by then...its like you people don't even think at all...
this accent nothx
No need to comment this. If it's not for you, turn on CC and read instead