What Happened During the Engineers Civil War? - Theory Explained
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- Were the Engineers engaged in a catastrophic Civil War? We provide a theory on what became of their race and how it ties into the future of Alien films.
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What do you guys think happened? Also, ALIEN Director's Cut Commentary going up tonight at 8pm EST!
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Hybrid Network can you make a vid on the predators symbols, like the one in avp when the presator marked her with an alien finger?
Hybrid Network Do you think that the outbreak on lv-223 was an accident or an act of sabotage?
Hybrid Network Do you do What ifs? cos Ive always wondered what would happen if a Xenomorph got impregnated by a Facehugger? I know they dont have throats but what if they did and it could happen if you use the Genocide comic where Red Xenos are at war with Black Xenos, the Blacks could take a Red to be Facehugged, would the creature just be a Plain old Xenomorph or could it be a Fastrack to making a Queen or Praetorian?
Ciaran McGuinness good question. Didn't know the black zenos could impregnate a red zeno and vice versa. Interesting
I wonder if Ridley Scott comes to this and other like channels and says to himself, "Yeah, that sounds good, we'll do that."
1jeffr If I was him and ran out of ideas I would, it give a means of interpretation outside the box
too bad this wasn't around before matrix 2 and 3. would've helped then larry and andy. cause there were 1000's of better ideas lurking around.
Lmfao I wouldn't blame him
1jeffr Yeah,...we'll do that.
Yes, I also wonder how much more time people spend creating theories about that than the writers themselves. My guess is they took 5 min.
I prefer the engineer stories over Aliens any day!
Khaos969 Amen to that. I was hoping to get way more of a back storie on the engineers and people complained they they wanted more aliens and gore. I was hoping to see the reaction of the engineers to David and Elizabeth coming to find them. Instead we don't get that. We just get some other people who resemble the engineers.
Khaos969 I've been alive for all of the alien movies and I'm well aware of why the movies have survived. I like the gore as well yet they introduced an amazing aspect of how this all began and I'm more intrigued then ever on the history of the engineers.
Yessir me too. I would eliminate all the crossover films if I had a say and take away the 2nd and 4th alien films ( Aliens, and Resurrection) just leave the Prometheus, Covenenat Alien and Alien3 which I just have a special place for in my heart. Toss another bridging film in between Cov and Alien and let A3 be the capstone on the franchise
@pokezee king-wolf idk I really liked the alien movies the first trilogy rocks but these are different, much scarier much better done as far as story telling and such. My favorites are now these movies.
@@thesingularity8714 The second Alien film was a classic and one of the best out of the franchise. Wth are you talking about? So glad you don't make the decisions.
If only the writers gave this franchise as much thought as you do
I have a slightly different theory on this topic. There are two Engineer factions, they are in conflict with each other, that much stays the same... BUT... the Engineer faction that Hybrid Network calls "Creators" are not really creating or seeding other planets with life, no.
I think what the "Creator"(for lack of a better word) Engineers did at the beginning of Prometheus was a contingency plan. I think they anticipated that the other faction would win, and believed that the weapons they used(Black Goo, Xenomorphs) would turn against them and also lead to the other factions extinction, which would in essence doom their entire race, regardless of faction, to extinction.
So, what they did is essentially seed a suitable planet, one very much like their own homeworld, with their own DNA, ensuring that at least *something* of their race would survive... and possibly re-emerge in the far future. And that would be... us. The paintings, who some others here theorized were a warning not to go to the stars, were meant to instill a primal, instinctual fear of what lies beyond our planet into the developing species, to ensure that they would *never* wander beyond the boundaries of their own planet or solar system and get into contact with the horrors which the "Destroyer" faction unleashed.
That would also explain why the awakened Engineer in Prometheus reacted so violently after discovering where these creatures, which he had never seen before, came from... they/us are the descendants of their ancient enemy.
So... tell me what you think.
I like it.
If you look at the old paintings and tablets showing the star pattern and the engineer pointing to them his lower hand is held in a way as if to say 'stop, don't go to the stars I'm pointing at.' I've always believed the engineers were warning us to keep away, they suspected we would advance to the point of star travel and were trying to warn us away.
It's also possible they were educating us about our history, or possibly what we were meant to become. Did they truly want to destroy us... or transform us because that's what the black goo does. It creates life.
very observant,I didn't catch that
I don't buy it. If they wanted a future spacefaring humanity to heed a warning, then they could afford to be a lot more forthcoming about it using physics and mathematic models, that a more advanced human would understand, instead of cave paintings meant for primitive man. Not much point in cave paintings since primitive man has a harder time getting into orbit than modern man.
We don't know how they think. Their warning may have seemed prudent to them at the time.
You're right, we don't know how they think, which makes my reasoning just as sound as yours. However, if you have a time machine and wanted to leave a message that means the difference between life and death to your past self, you wouldn't leave said message as 4 year old you would write it with crayons and symbols. You'd write it so adult you could understand. That's the problem with cave drawings. They are open to interpretation. Physics and mathematics are not. Why try to explain it to a primitive humanity that hasn't even invented the wheel, let alone, space travel? If you wanted to warn an entire species, you make it big and you make it unmistakable.
Let's not forget, these guys have mastered interstellar travel and can create life itself. I don't think they would even be capable of dumbing it all down to cave drawings.
Of course, you could very well be right. They could indeed be warnings, but that is just piss poor writing and another reason why Prometheus was garbage.
I think the black goo is perhaps something they synthesized from xenomorphs to create positive life. If not synthesized right it will create negative life, like the xenomorphs.
the engineer's on lv-223 in Prometheus we're also a billion years more evolved than the ones at the beginning, or so Ridley says. I noticed that the engineer's exoskeleton is very similar to the xenomorph exoskeleton I think David had something to do with creating the xenomorph using engineer DNA.
I think there is a conflict between the engineers, because it seems some of them want to create, and others want to destroy. In Prometheus, it start off to create us, then towards the end that one engineer wasn't to happy with us. It seems like they're monks and warriors, and that might be the struggle among them.
You and me are on the same page buddy.
Jay Stone the engineer at the end of the prometheus movie had intended to take David's head to earth with him
Considering just how much time must have passed between that one Engineer beginning life on earth (or giving it a kickstart) and the Prometheus film they could quite simply have changed their minds. Life bearing world? Great! Space-faring species from said world? Bio-weapon the world from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.
A different idea that just occurred to me is that the Engineers we've seen so far aren't the precursor species but their version of an android. If so then these A.E.'s might've been programmed to terraform worlds for their masters (who might be long gone) to colonize. Though if intelligent life should come about on that world then they'll just have to scrap it and start over again. Granted that basically ignores the problem created by the cave drawings.
Jay Stone that is the single lamest and most obvious exploration. you just described what has been already said .we NEW theories
The message for humans to go the planet could of been put there before the engineers got pissed at us, I read somewhere about Jesus being an engineer so they could of put the map there and after the whole Jesus thing thought.....Right en...Now your fucked!!
It's possible the war broke out over who had the best space weed.
People keep talking about factions but in the covenant scene before David has his way, the engineers look like they are welcoming the ship home, like they are excited to see it arrive. They way people are explaining that they are 2 different factions, you would think they could recognize a friendly or hostile ship of their own species.
as interesting as the 2 faction notion may be I find the notion that basing it off the way the black goo reacts is highly flawed. The opening scene of Prometheus the engineer ingested the chemical in a small and measured amount combining it with his cardiovascular system flooding it inside out. The chemical dropped on paradise I believe to be the exact same yet both the scale of volume used as well as the method it interacted with living matter was entirely different. The goo breaks down organic matter on a rapid scale allowing it to either be dissipated over a very large area leaving nothing but a carbon shell as seen in covenant or to be reconstituted in a fluid as the carbon simply washes away while molecules attract one another forming the chains of dna seen in Prometheus. All advanced civilizations that lasted any measurable length of time here on earth always had a military faction that was apart from it's civilian population. There is no reason for the engineers society to be any different. Had a civil war broken out between the advanced militarized faction and the civilian faction it's just seems doubtful that the civilian population could have survived it. For example if the American military went against the people the people simply could not out fight the military due to the instruments of war including tanks jets drones missiles and so on that the military has readily available.
pretty obvious the destroyers lost. otherwise a rescue mission would have came and recovered the ships and the engineers in cryo. that weapon was to valuable to leave behind. especially if the ships were already loaded.
I beginning to think the Xenomorph might be the oldest species in the universe, and is biologically perfect. found by the engineers and had them realize perfection leads to the destruction of the imperfect. maybe two factions of engineers do exist. one that wanted to roll back the engineers DNA and create humans as imperfect beings, and another faction bent on spreading the perfect being.
lieurple
you sound like Weyland Yutani and their preaching about "studying the perfect organism"
Like it... Was just commenting that very idea... (trying to contribute to the types of discussion that should be taking place in such a forum, so pardon this barrage of projectile nerdism.) I think it'll turn out that the xenomorph is a result of life doing what it does best, mutating and adapting (evolving), but over a much larger timescale, several billions of years. Compared to the 800 million years that encompasses the entirety of life on earth from the Cambrian explosion in the oceans, through the epoch of dinosaurs, then the mammalian revolution that led to us; the variety of organisms seem alien to one another and I could see something as terrifyingly adapted to survive as the xenomorph. Having come into existence up to 8 earth histories before earth itself, it's genetic line would have adapted on a cosmic scale. Add in a factor for what an intelligence could do through genetic manipulation or simple contamination, and their could be anything drifting still amongst the stars.
That's what I'm thinking as well.
At this point we can`t be sure who created the Xenomorphs or why they were that stupid, but we know that these creatures have been on the planet Earth before. In ALIENS VS. PREDATOR: REQUIEM Xenomorphs are part of the hunting "game", long before Jesus was born. The Predators might even have hunted Dinosaurs, I remember a trophy room/wall and the skull of a Protoceratops or a Zuniceratops - but I am not 100 percent sure. Anyway... In ALIEN: RESURRECTION humans kind of continue the work of the Engineers, thanks to clone technology they create a hybrid: Cloned Ripley. Half human, half Xenomorph and the Xenomorph she "gives birth" to is even capable of "feelings" - again, I am not totally sure of it! Her "offspring´s" face looks more human than Xenomorph and it prefers its mother Clone Ripley. This creature is still dangerous, but proves that the mutation rate of these living beings don`t have any limits!?
How could a "perfect" creature who needs a host with DNA and then flesh to eat ever be the first creature? Maybe you idolize this alien ant bug but I think they're parasites like giant ticks
If the engineers were like us, they would have started killing each other for any given reason at some point in time.
It's sad that a small group of Ridley Scott affectionados have to bang their heads against a wall just to come up with a theory that explains so much of the backstory. Having read through the comments, I'm impressed with the level of scrutiny some fans have focused on elements that were simply thrown in our faces. Trying to make sense out of a convoluted film takes real energy and time. Hopefully, Scott will start filling in some gaping holes in his follow-on films.
The world shown in Covenant was not the Engineer's home world. Paradise is not seen at all in Covenant, what is shown instead is another planet seeded by the Engineer's, like Earth. When there's a closeup of the inhabitants, they look very different from Engineers.
If it was indeed a civil war, the "creators" must have had extensive means of fighting back for the "destroyers" to consider such drastic measures as weaponizing the black goo.
Personally, I have no doubt that there are many other planets colonized by the engineers. It wouldn't make sense for them to develop interstellar travel and then only having *one* outpost. Paradise might have been the last enclave of the creators.
People ignore the facts on this issue and decide to come up with theories.
Originally, Jesus was supposed to be an engineer. The Romans killed him and the engineers were going to try to get revenge for his death.
That part of the plot was removed from the script because it was controversial.
Also seems really petty and spotty, to be honest.
What seems petty?
It's petty because it's a highly advanced space fairing civilization that wants to kill an ENTIRE primitive & ignorant race for killing ONE guy,when they should have know better than to put said guy (aka Jesus) there in the first place. It's like challenging a 5 year old to a fist fight for spilling juice.
People are ignoring it because what you just wrote as "Facts" never happened in the film. Perhaps Ridley Scott intended to have Jesus as part of the film at one point but the *FACT* is he never did so everything else is now open to interpretation.
And fucking dumb.
I think it's kind of obvious: One factions of engeneers are are the "demons" and the other is angels, parallels to the bible. I think the paradise planet was made for us, but then humans fucked upso they started fresh on planet earth. The "demon" engineers are jelous of how many chnaces we had to make things work and want to destroy "gods creation".
It is a legit theory.
Its believed one of the Engineers would have been the Gods in human history or even Jesus/ Prophets. I wonder if any if the Predators tie into this story and it would be cool if they did. I like the Engineers and the Predators. I wouldn't mind sharing the universe with them so long as they did not try to come here and run our turf.
Tulpa Kat
Wrong. Doctor Shaw's cross necklace was not an accident, it was intentional by the man who created this entire story. Your hate is showing, it must be embarrassing to be so ignorant.
IF the Paradise planet is made for us, why does it contain spores that turn humans into Neomorphs? :-/ I'm more inclined to believe that is literally just their home world that they fashioned for themselves.
Surely it is the anunnaki rather than Enochian, as they had a civil war. with the Sumerian creation myth analogy, we are part engineer and part ape. when you get right into the Sumerian, there is a galactic battle of the gods which are different species similar to the engineers, predators. I do hope this is where Ridley Scot is going.
I love the engineers story discarding the zenomorph outbreak and survival, Prometheus is a masterpiece
yea your wrong, if you watch the opening scene we see the engineers seeding life look nothing like the lifeforms that david kills in coveant wit the jars, the lifeforms there look much more human than the engineers we see in prometheus,
agian there is no way that the lifeforms on paradise are engineers, they are too small, have different facial features and their eyes are not black as every single engineers we have seen looked like
What I find unusual is what relationship if any that the Engineers have with the Predators. In the Aliens universe both seem to have visited Earth. I think that the Engineers wanted to create a species close to them [for whatever reason?] however they showed us how to build civilization [like in books like Chariot of the Gods] and how to be sustainers of civilization and the environment. How the Predators may have showed up from time to time and used Earth as a game preserve and showed us more advanced forms of warfare. I think in the Aliens universe both the Engineers and Predators would hate one another and probably be in a Darwinian state of war. Engineers probably would feel that making us [some of them] was a mistake because we had become like their enemies or could become potential enemies at some point in time. Just my guess. It could also be possible there was a civil war or shaw/david dropped the biological weapons on the Engineers. I hope the Engineer race is not completely killed off. I find them interesting aliens.
The AvP films derived from the crossover comic books from late 80s early 90s. The Alien franchise is only connected to the Predator franchise on an alternate timeline existing outside of what is canonical
In alien colonial marines game on the derelict ship level you can activate a hologram which depicts a battle between the round engineer ship and a u engineer ship.
Chad Beckstead Considering the checkered development of that game, I wouldn't believe anything in it.
Well ya it got negative reviews for bad design with the ai and such, but from what i know as part of its advertising campaign they boasted that they worked with the movie studios for plot elements, for the game to be considered to be canon in universe. And it was around the time Prometheus was coming out, and fans were speculating if it was in a way spoiling Ridley Scotts envisioning of the engineers seemingly as if they have two different cultures in the movie and games coming out at the time. So idk, i could have been something, maybe nothing, and script ideas get changed in sequels all the time so im not like crossing my fingers or anything lol.
Chad Beckstead
indeed.
that game is actually canon which pissed off a lot of people but it's possible that a civil war of such a scale did occur which lead to so many ships being thrown around the galaxy with the black stimulant accelerator.
You could say the race of engineers on planet 4 or paradise didn’t dissolve or disintegrate because the black goo was airborne so it was inhaled not ingested like the engineer did in the Prometheus’s intro. In Prometheus it’s hinted that the goo has different effects depending on how host comes in contact with it.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one that noticed about the different ships used by the engineers. There's most likely two different races, or at least two different Era of engineers that wants to create and wants to destroy.
"The civil war" sounds like a better movie.
Alien; Civil War
If they are in the middle of a civil war, or even a space-faring developed species, they would have some form of defense and alert system for their planet. And also, what happened to the large hovering station above the engineer's city?
this is an excellent video with some great hypothesis
I think the reason Ridley Scott is filming a prequel is so he doesn't have to include the alien monster and just focus
on the engineers.
We need a movie explaining what happened before Prometheus.
I think most logical explanation is that population of Paradise are not Engineers!
They are just another creation/experiment of the Engineers -just like Humans on planet Earth.
This would explain they low-tech society, noticeably different looks from Engineer from Prometheus.
And this would also mean Engineers are not wiped out and are still there for next Alien prequel;)
Very engaging, visual stuff all previously unseen (by me). Liked and subscribed. Where can podcast be heard on android tablet?
awesome theory man...keep the vids coming.
Either they all died fighting in a civil war or a natural catastrophe occured that was similar to what happened in Pompea and that's why they are all burned ? In any case, I can't imagine that a single android managed to kill an entire civilization of advanced beings like the Engineers... Not only it's stupid but it's also wrong and I hope they won't go that route !
Chris Tsirigotis I completely agree
Nick great videos ! You're posting so much today ! Bravo !
the question nobody can answer is: who laid the eggs on Paradise? Clearly, in "Aliens", there was a rather large queen involved. Covenant shows no queen of that magnitude...so either that queen still resides there or there's more going on with this story. If there is one more prequel, Ridley Scott better start rounding the corners really fast because he's only going to have about 2 hours to do it and it's not going to end well if he can't.
Love the AVP Underworld thing you guys do, discovered you lot through the Covenant trailer 1 breakdown.
I would love if you guys could organise theories for AVP Underworld where you, Mr H and Alien Theories may not agree and hear the 3 of you explain reasons why you think your theory to be the correct one :)
Also believe I heard a couple of times someone asking if the AVP movies were canon. I believe Fox came out years ago stating them to be not canon but if you enjoy them watch them and enjoy them still by all means :)
On the point on the different ship: It's not unlikely designs would change after billions of years.
I think the schism is in the philosophy in the way the two factions philosophise creation. The paradise engineers create through self-sacrifice, and the Moon engineers create through destruction.
yes I agree with your theory. We will know more in Covenant.
Hey Nick, awesome theroy enjoyed! :)
I would like to see more prof of this war before committing.
Thank you now I finally know why the ship on LV426 was there
I like that theory of two engineers the ones who creat and te ones who destroy
All I can say is we will have to wait and see.
Cool theory
Great video man
The Engineers are the "Anunnaki" and there is several groups of Anunnakis
I wanna see a Civil War with the Space Jockeys and the Predators race!
I always run into one problem with this theory - the "creators" are the ones who directed us to LV426 and there was nothing there for us but death.
Bad blood engineers kinda like bad blood predators haha the engineers really need their own movie, it would be awesome
the movies completely ignore the xenomorph homeworld concept...
I've had a hypothesis brewing since Prometheus came out, exclusive of any extra material or interviews, just from the film. We are starved for information: ships were in hangers; one was loaded with goo canisters; the temple room contained canisters that activated only after the room's seal was broken; there were a corpse pile of engineers; and a playback of engineers that appeared to be fleeing something. Presuming the mission was to deliver the loaded ship to earth to unload the goo payload and the revived engineer went immediately into action to complete the mission. The DNA match between the found head and humans was a match. The physical differences and lack of any diversity in the engineers makes me wonder the enzymes and proteins of engineers was very different from those in humans.
LV223 was a depot or staging area. Nothing seen indicates any manufacturing or testing facilities, there did not seem to be any kind of offensive or defensive arms, the fleeing engineers never had side arms or even pointy sticks to protect themselves as they ran for cover. This infers they were not soldiers, but more like a delivery service.
The temple room was storage for containers that were defective. What ever safety containment mechanisms used, they were failing on these containers. Might be the atmosphere mix, pressure, temperature, or some other environmental qualities kept the goo from activating in the sealed room. Once the Prometheus crew opened the door, things changed quickly. Perhaps david even knew this, since there were mission objectives and goals that were not stated.
The engineers are specific built clones. Mapped from the same DNA base and even imprinted with their mission into their brain. This might explain no independence of actions other than to complete their tasks as well as their identical appearance. Their physiology allowed them to operate breathing the atmosphere that was noxious to humans. This works with the suicide seeding in the opening scenes. They were unable to do anything except what they had been coded to do.
The higher level behind the goo keyed it to work on human DNA and most likely engineer DNA as well. Was it a weapon or perhaps their version of Round Up, a weed killer to get rid of human infestation when it became an annoyance. It has a very long shelf life if two thousand years is accurate. I have wondered if there is a counter agent to the goo or some effective life time or half-life to their Round Up.
Still a work in progress.
They should make the engineers own movie aside from aliens
sometims it is better to wait and see than having unproof theories what may not even in the thought of ridley scott himself. And also sometimes a movie and its story is just what it wants to be - entertainment.
I think engineers have factions, but they are not at odds with one another. The spiritual leaders seed life, and ocassionally visit to teach us. They didn't invite us to LV223, they warned us about what they keep there. Ridley said engineers wipe out entire planets if their progeny goes astray.
I think there are two ''communities'' of engineers. The ''defectors monks'' who spread life on planets and the others (those who David killed and the one from Prometheus movie) who hunting them and also check and destroy if that is necessary the life the others create.
@hybrid network after watching this video I been having thoughts about if Ridley Scott planning to do a movie on the engineers like how they met predators or as you said in this about your theory of the 2 factions like how it started perhaps?
One other thing to think about is that 1 faction didn't like where they were going with their society and decided on a more agrarian movement to make life less troublesome. But the other part didn't like that and unleashed the goo thinking they could control it, bad move there, they signed their own death warrant.
I always thought it was weird that the spaceship in prometheus isn't the same u-shaped ones. I mean we see it later on, but it definitely seems like it wasn't a mistake.
I thought that the planet in Covenant was the one seeded by the engineer at the start of Prometheus...so those engineer's we saw were a race descended from the one that drank the goo? No? Yes?
That is what I thought too, but no official ans have come yet.
I think that what went wrong on the planet Prometheus visited, is what always goes wrong with the xenomorphs: They start doing their own thing and killing everybody. The Alien franchise has so far had a recurring theme of corporations and military trying to aquire and control the alien life form and failing miserably every time, because the damned things are just too cunning and powerful and offer too many surprises.
its like scott said, the ship on lvv426 was a military vessel containing eggs. the original strain and in covenant david made his own.
According to the comics the engineers were once slaves under another far older race.
It is entirely possible that the engineers are infact androids - it would explain their obsession with creating life.
Maybe but I think they are not androids but merely like humankind but different which is they destroyed them
I think this is a great theory :D I'd make a great to tie up all loose ends/plot holes. a movie on its own.
Prometheus in the mythology was a renegade, so it's more likely the benevolent faction of engineers were actually the renegades also.
This is a cool theory, but is the Engineer civil war suggested/hinted at all in the movies or did you just come up with this idea?
If there is a civil war then the city we see in Covenant is the city of one faction, so where the other factions live ?
Maybe on a different planet?
The engineers did create the aliens as a weapon. The statues and mosaics on the ceiling in Prometheus lend credit to that idea.
I think the biggest problem with the Alien series is that I don't think Ridley Scott ever really sat down and designed out a logical timeline of the events for the series. Seems too scattered and mish-mashed.
What was it they said before Prometheus premiered? Most of our questions would be answered. Yep, that worked out really well.
It's beginning to make me feel like watching "Lost".
@Hybrid Network Theory for you Nick, if the original Engineer head was carbon dated at 2,000 years (being the time of the recorded outbreak) and there was a minor ecosystem present in the temple room; could this mean that the goo while acting as a mutative accelerant naturally recesses back to its base form over time?
The black chemical used in the beginning of Prometheus does seem different from the other chemical carried by the "militant" engineers. They also appear to be in different styled canisters. One has a bit of a bowl shape while the other is kept in glass sealed tubes in a coating of goo like substance within its canister most likely because of its destructive properties.(The scene when David takes this stuff from the sealed off storage place, which was not so sealed once the crew arrived.
Well...maybe. Just think about our civilization, we have farmers and we also have the army. Both are on the same side doing different functions.
I guess you are wright, man. I completly agree with yours theory.
I just want an explanation of the space jockey at this point. I really wanted more in the engineers but got nothing. I'm still hoping we get more.
I'm sure they met drunk Ridley and asked him for few ideas, we all know what happened next.
the engineer civil war may be a variation on the myth of the titans who fought against the olympian gods in greek mythology, and the rebellion of lucifer against god in judaism and christianity. what remains to be seen is which faction parallels which mythical faction
i don't even think the plant which was killed of are the engineers, maybe a engineers creation?
We know that not all of the engineers are gone. There's still the Space Jockey yet to make an appearance in these prequels from the original Alien film, but I don't believe the ones David killed off in Covenant was the only colony in the universe. I do believe that the ones which he killed were possibly the creators and we will encounter more of the destroyers in Awakening.
I like this idea because it could branch off into so many different directions. Was there a Civil War? There could have been. The two factions of Engineers could have been something to the effect of the sons of Abraham in the Old Testament. Not all creation gets along, but that could mean that the Engineers were in fact created by another Creator. This could lead further down the rabbit hole and leave room for more to explore in the prequel trilogy if Ridley Scott is serious about making five more movies prior to tying into the original Alien.
It's more akin to the real myth of Prometheus: the renegade Titan brings fire from Mt. Olympus to Mankind and is punished by Zeus for the transgression...for Prometheus' actions allowed Humanity to advance one step closer to becoming Gods themselves.
I'm getting a "Lost" feeling from all this.
Can´t wait for the movie premiere...
Thank you so much Mr Scott, and thank you HN for confirming and telling us that the Xenos weren't created by the Engineers, thank you both so much. Because I was not a fan of that theory at all, now if the Engineers captured Xenos and used them in this civil war, that's fine, but them creating the Xenos, hell no. Again, thank you so much for that confirmation and letting the rest of us know, thank you both so much.
The original alien jockey (Alien 1979) appears to be gigantic compared to the engineers piloting the same space ship! What's up with that?
TheBatt1958
possibly a piloting framework that shrouded the engineer so that it could do its job without worry or being bothered?
We were never invited - that was the humans interpretation. Engineers were just pioneers and wanted to evolve in other planets. Project gone wrong...imo
Alien:Covenant is going to be a slasher film, like most of the rest. The prologue is just a tease to ready you for David to be some kind of profound, evil wunderkind, that somehow sets it all up. Personally, I hope Walter shits on his dreams.
I think it's possible.., I really believe we will see engineers again and I hope they we join forces with us
Great video! Here's a question: why do the warrior Engineers design their armor and ship interiors in a style that looks like the bodies of xenomorphs? Scott said they didn't create the xenos, but they clearly revere them in some way, judging by the religious looking mural in the head room in Prometheus and their xeno-like architecture and body armor. Any theories as to why this is? Did they maybe both come from a shared ancestor species or creator?
Jon B Baca David created the xenomorph,so its possible the bio mechanical look was a inspiration by looking at the ships design or the enginner's suit,and making it look similar,considering how much time he spent all alone and nothing else to do
Jon B Baca No solid evidence so far that David created the Xenomorphs; remember the mural of Xenomorph inside their ship on Lv-223, and even if they say so in covenant that's not a conclusive evidence because the crew of covenant didn't see inside the ship on Lv-223.
Personally I think David altered the Xenomorphs
Soul Nemisis but how does that explain why the Engineers had a huge mural of the xeno, or maybe the protomorph? They clearly revered them in some way
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they may have put that there as a sign of what was inside that room.
remember, these aren't humans and they do not function on human thought patterns.
to them, that mural may have just simply been a sign telling others to stay the hell back.
the armor and whatnot could have been from trial and error and finding that the Deacon alien had amazing protection.
This ones far out, I think the goo may have infected David. Since he's synthetic there were few visible mutations, but they were still nano-bot like and could have began altering his code. Sure he was odd before, yet from the second he played with the goo he became hell bent on spreading it, which is exactly what the goo wants.
"A king has his reign, then he dies". Seems like the new king had more faith in the Xeno than humans. Those guys bleed acid, survive vacuum and take over any animal or insect at the genetic level. " The meat, if you will".
"A superior species, I trust".
That robot had slipped a cog.
if the engineers use xenomorph as a weapon then why didn't they have eggs on the ship in prometheus when they were on there way to wipe us out? the ship on lv426 is thousands of years old if I remember correctly and they have eggs on it. can someone please give me a theory on this as I'm confused with this. how could david create them if they already use them.
Why does EVERYONE ignore the fact that the race of beings David wipes out looks nothing like the engineers from Prometheus? Yet everyone keeps calling them engineers anyway? LOL.
Easy... If you want to understand what's behind Prometheus and the engineers, just check out Chariots of the Gods or the Ancient Aliens theories. That's where Ridley Scott got his inspiration.
You're all WRONG!! The Engineer Civil War was sparked when an Engineer traveled about 2000 years forward in time to see if humans would become something worthy. Unfortunately, his time ship materialized outside a Drive-In Theater where the first Aliens vs. Predator movie was playing. He couldn't help but watch the entire movie in stunned disbelief. Afterwards, he went back in time and reported his findings. Many, many Engineers were totally outraged and demanded the extinction of the human race.
However, many other Engineers fell in love with Sanaa Lathan the moment they saw her and refused to cooperate. Many of those Engineers wanted to hibernate inside cryo chambers for 2000 years, then wake up & travel to Earth to meet her in person. (They couldn't use the time ship, because there was only ONE of them and it couldn't accommodate half the entire population.) So the Civil War began...
there were no eggs in prom. david creates xenomorphs
Every race has a civil war, Predators (2010) has the berserks fighting the regular yautja. Engineer does it, and even humans with Marvel Civil War.
If there where 2 factions why did the primordial engineers welcome the juganot ship which returned back to paradise from LV223?
I believe there was a serious division between them, may be the humans were supposed to be their ultimate creation, and a group of zealots saw humans themselves developing weapons and making war and saw that as a threat to them.
Covenant was definitely not the end of their race. 'Awakening' will also awaken the engineers.
I like your theory!
yes, i'm in a thing right now. i had one idea and it worked and the other faction, though my job was to make theirs easier i did my job well and because of that they sought to make their importance known. and the only way to do that was by directly attacking those i was protecting. and then trying to get approval from the boss to take away by job.
that's how people are folks. don't matter if it's this world or the next.
#HybridNetwork I personally think that there are two factions: ones that create and destroy. But in the Head Room where they stored the black goo vile, I always thought that there were concentrated samples of dangerous biological lifeforms of all kinds, kept in separate in each vile (I thought that the engineers worshiped them but as far as if they created them or found them I don't know but with the xenos they must have found them eons ago.) I think when the Prometheus team entered into the room, they changed the chemistry of the already fragile 2000+ year old catacomb. Upon investigating, the tops of the urns were melting out black goo, ultimately mixing with each other, God know what dangerous species in that goo each vile was mixing with, also having the potential to make a new thereat. That's when one of the group members stepped in the black goo, causing it to morph into parasitic looking worms. Through out the video it kind of confused me because I wasn't so sure that the urns stacked up in the arsenal were even remotely the same as the urns in the tribunal head room. The chem. could be totally different, but the movie never made it definitive, everyone just assumed they were just by looks.
Also, might I add inside the tribunal room, David was overlooking the xenomorph mural, with the xenomorph looking at the EMERALD GREEN CRYSTAL that was morphed into a stone looking pedestal. No one has mentioned anything about that crystal, it's purpose, and significance with the xenomorph mural looking down on the giant gem. Or is it even a gem at all? Could it be a life form, genetic soup like the black goo, inside the eerie transparent like glass?
Also I find it strange that each planet Weyland corp. discovers and tried to terraform and colonize, the only life found there is limited to microbial life. HOW STRANGE. It's like like around our section of the galaxy was just wiped out except for us. Would it have been a war between theses engineer factions? Ugh I just really want to see a movie where Scott does explore more of the engineers, xenos, and other alien factions to let us know there is more to life than just humans. XD man I love fan theories. This fandom is so unique, we got to keep it alive.
In the occult, primordial knowing is represented by a " Black goo ", a similar comparison is the black monolith in the movie 2001 a space odyssey. Same dialectic, its allegory for... Something else... Its worth looking into.
O-C-C-U-L-T D-I-A-L-E-C-T-I-C. Read between the lines. Its what it represents. You have to look past the outward appearance and look at th hidden meaning
The engineers look awfully familiar to Göbekli Tepe's urfa man.