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Navy AIRR Pipeline and Training | How Hard Is It?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ส.ค. 2023
- I try to briefly answer the question as to how hard the Navy’s AIRR program is. The only people who should give the opinions are those who’ve made it fully and not just gone through it.
served proudly for 13 years with my gold wings
Found this in researching .. preparing my momma heart because my son is wanting to take this route. He's headed to MEPS next week. After that I guess he'll really know. In the meantime, I'm learning all I can. * deeeeeep breath * Thanks for this - I wanna be prepared as a momma.
I went through the pipeline in 93. Served at HS-4 from 94-97. Totally different program back in that time prior to it all changing in 2005. Great advice to future NAC. Glad I was able to do it for my 5 years in the Nav.
I went through the exact same training almost 30 years ago! Nice to see consistency in something, for once! Ooh-RAH!!!
Just graduated! The pipeline actually is boot camp, rescue swimmer school, candidate school, A school, sere school, then FRS!
Congrats. Which one did you graduate? All of them? Seems the same besides the swap between RSS and NACCS.
Congratulations. Do they not hav naccs anymore?
@djricecakes6035 candidate school is NACCS
@PhDarien gotcha. Like you said, kinda backwards
Isn’t NACCS just prior to RSS, or has that changed?
What you called "800" divisions used to be "900" divisions when I went through back in 2001. And the pipeline you described has certainly changed significantly in 22 years. Seems less, shorter, and more direct. LOL!
Spend most of the time trying to drown you. If you survive, you're in.
my son is heading into AIRR, at RTC right now. He was Delayed Entry and got to train several days a week to prepare. (Warrior Challenge Program) he met Special Ops physical requirements there.
Great video! I’m currently in Pensacola for RSS candidate school and two things that have changed. 1:RSS is about 8 weeks now (6 without SAR Prep) and it could be 10 if you have a 4 week SAR Prep. And they changed the RSS and NACCS schools. They flipped them because too many aircrew were failing RSS so we were getting too many aircrew. Then again this is a great video! Lots of useful information in it. Hope to come back in about 10 ish weeks to say I passed RSS! Thanks again for the great video!
It makes sense. My class started with 20 and graduated 8. So the drops all had to go fixed wing.
Good luck. I went through in 08 and am a AWRC/ E-7 in the fleet.
In 2017-2018 Time frame, all RSS drops had to rerate out of AW Rates all together. Many of my fellow NACCS grads had to go UNDES Airman or even BM.
@elliottbachop1743 damn! While that sucks, that’s good. I hated getting BUD/S drops as an instructor. If you can DOR for any special program and come overflow our community, we should be able to do the same to others. Not everyone can get what they want. What’s your platform now?
@PhDarien I was Med Dropped from AWR to BM. I then fought to get a competitive NEC as an Amphibious Landing Craft Commander w/ Beachmaster Unit Two @ Little Creek.
@elliottbachop1743 that’s sucks. There’s plenty of great experiences in other ratings and communities. I live real close to Little Creek. Try to get to ESAMI while you’re attached to NECC
Petra is very cute! Very interested in the new helmet you have on in your intro? I hope you have the back issue documented on your retirement physical…You might be permanent100% shipmate…Pipeline 1982: Bootcamp at RTC Orlando, NACCS at Pensacola, AW “A” school at NATTC Millington, Rescue Swimmer School HC-1 at NASNI, SERE FASOTRAGRUPAC at NASNI, AW “Common Core” at NASNI, FRAC HSL-31 (SH-2F)….Started pipeline January 1983 PCS HSL-37 Hawaii March 1984. Was very fortunate, no rollbacks or admin/medical holds…Sounds like things are relatively the same nowadays. When I was in bootcamp there was no differentiation of recruits based upon your enlistment contract. We did have a SEAL (GMG1 Hurt) that supervised our PT/Swimming while at “A” school…Class was 0600-1200, lunch and report to pool at 1300 until 1500. Very interesting video…You’re helping the next generation to succeed in the Navy…
Thanks a bunch for this information. I try to give back to the community and not become a realtor like most crewman. 😂
HSC-28! I’ve worked with them before! I wonder if anyone I know is still there…
I got to Norfolk in March of 2003. I left east coast to go to Whidbey Island in May of 2007.
It’s possible. We get lots of repeats there. Some threepeats too.
FANTASTIC video! Great easy to understand advice
I went through acs back in 91. That included sere school in Brunswick. After acs in Pensacola it was on to Millington for a school. My rate was AD
Been watching your channel on and off. I appreciate how you give insight into the AWS rating. It is indeed an awesome rate. I was one of those unicorns that graduated from FRS and got shore duty orders due to a lucky co-location chit with my wife who was also a naval Aircrewman. Pardon my french but the Shore duty fucking sucked. I might not have had what it took to be a HRA (helicopter rescue aircrewman) but I had the heart to be. Long story short, I was black-balled the moment I arrived on base at my first duty station which was shore duty. Had a dude that had been a AW for a hot minute tell me straight to my face if I had gotten any other orders other than the duty station I got, I would have been A-okay. Anyways, I watch your videos because it takes me back, I missed the stress of AIRR school, loved the BS workouts and the underwaters. That shit got me hyped. Anyways, I completely agree with your frustration even though I didn't make shit of it when I was in, I have always pushed myself in life no matter what. Now I'm three months away from graduating Nursing school and already have a job lined up working in the emergency department at the hospital I work for. I say fuck the haters, I'm gaining my wings with or without them. Sights are on civilian sector of rescue aviation since I didn't cut it for the Navy. Not to mention I train with guns on the regular as well. I have always loved my country and will always be ready to defend her under contract or not. Thank you for representing on TH-cam. Take care.
I’m really glad you found my channel and decided to watch. I’m curious where you got stationed first. Congrats on your progress with nursing school. Train for yourself and let whoever wants you hire you. Take care as well.
Sup @@PhDarien, I was at NAS Whidbey Island station SAR. Got through the whole pipeline til then. Didn't even get my wings since my command didn't think I earned them. Anyways, it's been a personal chip on the shoulder for a long time and probably will be for the rest of my life but, its all good. Life goes on, always heard the best revenge is becoming the better person. Always have respect for those who serve and still are serving. Just hard feelings for those I served with...
@@PhDarien always believe in the ethos "so others may live" and always will. Stay safe.
thank you for this video , my ASVAB score for SEAL was too low , and I only qualified for AIRR so they recommended to do that , then cross rate to SEAL
Sounds like a great plan thats worked out many times! Make sure you mention that to all of your instructors throughout the pipeline, and definitely make it the first thing you bring up to your chain of command as soon as you get to the fleet! I'm sure they'd love to let you go. You'd be the only Aircrewman in the whole Navy trying to go to BUD/S!
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BUD/s Class 270. Drop Phase 1 week 2. Went to AIRR 3 months later and finished pipeline. Currently an E-7 AWR with 16 years.
I was a absolute unit with recommendations to return to BUD/s from phase 1 instructors. I still didnt get a 2nd chance. There are BIG Navy factors beyond your comprehension that will kill your chance.
Increase your score and go SEAL or you wont get a shot unless your a top tier triathlete.
Well fuck, better get that package routed soon! Only took me 5 years to get out of AWR and go somewhere else.@@David_Bang_
AWR 4 LIFE
I love it bro!
Is this The Darren Brown? What’s good bro?
Wow have things changed! When I went through it was the old system. I'm curious to when everything changed. I went to NACCS which is what aircrew school used to be. Then RSS after. Then AW A school. Aw didn't have different meanings then. AW was just one rate. If you were rescue swimmer you were on the helicopters and if you went from aircrew school straight to A school you ended up on P3 hunting subs. Watching these videos it looks like everyone goes through rescue swimmer school now and Romeo's are hunting subs on helicopters now instead of P3.
Also your pipeline is different that it seems you don't go through Sere school anymore with the other SOC ratings? We went through Sere either after A school of there was availability, or after we got our wings at the final school. Then went to our final command.
I really am curious to when it all changed. I was in between 2001-2006
Lots has changed since you left.
Difficulty is subjective, but for me it was not hard. It’s not a cake walk, but it’s not hard with the right mentality. Quite simple.
Any of the special programs (SEAL/SWCC/SAR/EOD) are very simple if not easy. It’s all about mentality. If you focus on long term and all of the challenges involved, it will be practically impossible and unbearable.
It is all about consistency and breaking it down into immediate focus. By that I mean don’t think about anything except the task in front of you. Even then, there are some tasks that are imposing and elicit thoughts of impossibility. When you get those feelings, break it down into 30 second intervals. For example, on the long buddy tow, one pass down the pool is about 30 seconds. So tell yourself “just this pass”, then get down to the wall, turn around and do it again.
The most memorable instance of this, and where it clicked for me was when we had to tread and float while keeping a parachute out of the pool water. It was impossible. Within a couple seconds the chute was touching the water. At that moment it started sinking and became almost impossible to keep it up. I kept going for 30 seconds at a time at which point I got a boost simply because I finished that 30 seconds. That continued until the instructors told us to stop. It felt like it was 5 minutes. The actual time was 45 minutes.
Be consistent. Meet every challenge with extreme focus. Get rid of the fear and just. Don’t. Quit.
The only other thing I would mention that involves difficulty is that in BUD/s, you need to be ready for phase two. It’s not as simple as just not quitting in five phase. You need to be able to be underwater for an above average amount of time. Not just be comfortable in the water, but to be constantly pushing the limits of breath holding while underwater. Being physically fit when you get there can help you make it, but if you have skimped on training in the pool, or have never trained in the pool prior to BUD/s, it will be much more difficult. Nothing will make it easy, but you can definitely make it manageable by spending time in the pool consistently well before arriving at BUD/s.
Appreciate the video, I was curious how difficult NACCS is physically and what I can do to prepare? I'm doing around 50-60 pushups and 7 minute miles but want to make sure I'm not signing a contract being over-confident and going in underprepared. Not doing the AIRR Pipeline, just signing as an AWR
NACCS isn’t that tough, but it isn’t a cake walk either. It’s more geared towards water survival and things like that. The only school where you swim with added limitations. You will eventually do a mile swim with gear on including a helmet.
@@PhDarien Appreciate the insight, this is the only channel I could find up to date info on the aircrew pipelines and process.
If youre going for AWR you will be going through AIRR. All AWR and AWS are SAR. You cannot do those jobs without being a Aviation SAR Swimmer.
Technically 53 crewmen are aws… so not ALL AWSs go through SAR school.
But ALL AWSs are mailmen!
When I went through Aircrew/rescue swimmer school class 9133. I had been swimming since I was 4 and I went through that school at 26 I loved it!!! The officers treated us with respect. I do have to say that SEAR sucked big time for me anyways... Is aircrew/rescue swimmer now considered special forces???
Good to hear from an OG. AIRR has always been part of special operations, while aircrew overall is a special program. Were you an original AW or maintainer? AW has always had a mission that was special operations in nature along with our basic logistics missions and whatnot. I’ve been an AW my entire career and got to do a lot of stuff that was high-risk, dangerous or combative.
@@PhDarien I was AW acoustic and because I was class honor man I chose P3's VP-45 at NAS JAX but I served 17yrs I wanted to do 20 but because an in flight miss hap I was 26-27 and didn't find it that hard. I grew up in Alaska and life is generally hard and you have to be tough or you might not have a long life... Also to answer your question I was a SS2 and SS1 acoustic operator...
@mako2350 gotcha. I thought you did a tour as a helicopter rescue swimmer the whole time. Didn’t know you flew in the P-3 Orion.
@@PhDarien being the best you get your choice of orders... And I chose P3-update III's I think they bent some rules to get me that billet... As an Airman I won the acoustic rodeo I was just really good at tracking soviet subs.. I don't like to brag but there it is.. I even bitched at my XO for wrecking my carrier I had another chief friend of mine at a witness.. I HATED the mother fucker Cmdr Boomer Elliot. I rode his ass up one side and the other...He didn't authorize a NATOPS nor JAG investigation That guy was a POS!!! I found out later the I got him relieved of duty and lost his wings!
@@PhDarien Just so you know, I would give my left nutt to fly in a P8...
Super cool and great informational video,
I have a couple questions? Can I be red green colorblind and do this or do I need a waiver?
Final question what color blind test does the navy use?
Thank You!
Not sure exactly which color blind test the navy does, and not sure you can be color blind. I’ll double check on that.
Awesome Thanks, I really appreciate it!
The red haired dude looked like it could have been Christopher Adams… would be at about 20 years in if it is.
How’s family life during the whole process
Not too bad. Initially it sucks trying to balance it out, but working as one is great.
@@PhDarien I’m meaning like say if you have a wife and kid do you ever get to see them during the whole process
@Bjohnson01 absolutely.
My grandson is going to Navy boot camp I am sending him some of your stuff. Any advice for him?
That’s awesome! Is he doing this same job? I assume so. The best advice I can give is this. Don’t try to become a sailor, aircrew or AIRR crewman, but prove to your instructors that you already are one.
This will be his first boot camp. So he is just entering the Navy.
Hey, thank you for the great video. I was wondering if you have any information about search and rescue medical technician (SMT). I've reached out to multiple people on information about it but keep getting different responses. About what the course is and what happens if you drop it or if they give you chances. im trying to prepare the best i can, and any amount of information you can provide would be very helpful.
I worked with them. Similar schools. I’ll make a quick video on that as well within the week or so.
Would this info be based off the old AW rate? Edit: And please make a vid about your SERE school experience😂
It only changed recently. I’d say within the last 4 years or so. I’ll talk about the SERE training
Do u have any tips for getting back to RSS? Made it to week 4 got injured and then after getting rolled didn’t make the time on the 800m buddy tow. Want to go back asap now stationed in Kauai as a MA.
As an MA? Sorry to hear that happened to you. You have to contact your career counselor and fill out a 1306 to cross rate for a special program. Do you have any of your old paperwork?
Yes I’m an MA now, are u asking about my enlistment/orders paperwork? Or all my paperwork from training? (The big blue book with medical training, disentanglements etc.) I have both. Definitely should have asked my LT and Chief for a letter of rec. to go back. It just didn’t even cross my mind at the time.
Have you ever heard of anyone getting an age waiver for AIRR out of curiosity?
I don’t believe there is one outside of the navy’s age required to join in general. It’s not like SEALs where you must be in by a certain age. I’ll double check on that.
I’ve seen mixed reports, but under the MILPERSMAN 1220-010 states age 30 or under waivers case by case, I appreciate the help
If that is not RSS, what school is shown? Surface swimmer school?
Just doing quarterly pool training at the base pool in Norfolk.
i couldnt mask clear for shit
Lots of people couldn’t.
@@PhDarien its easily overcomable. but our class size was like 24 and there wasnt enough instructors or time to prep 6 guys on mask clearing. everything else is just pt. the sun is really the only thing making it hard. the sun beats out here
Clearing mask is really easy…BUT, you have to practice it and as Darien very astutely pointed out. You MUST become comfortable doing uncomfortable things in the water…The key to water survival/rescue is to RELAX as much as you can. Keep your head on straight. Listen to your instructors, the skills they teach you can not only help you save a life, but are essential to YOU staying alive…
@@PhDarien 25-yard underwater class rolled quite a few on DAY 1 of trng!
@@B1900pilot i agree 100%. i was dropped last week though so it is what it is. water comfortability took a hit after bootcamp. felt like i hadnt swam hard in years. was rough on me
Hi there Darien! I’m currently on track to go to air rescue swimmer school, and I wanted to ask if after I hit the fleet, could I submit a colocation packet since my husband is also active duty? Thank you so much for the helpful info, and I cannot WAIT to be a part of the world’s greatest navy!🩵
You can ask for spouse colocation at your final duty station. Hope it works out for you.
do you think women can do it?
We have women in it now. Not very many, but we have the ones that want it bad enough.
tough women make it through