Currently an Active Duty Marine, preparing to Separate and go for HM-ATF(SARC) contract... Getting in the water at least 4-5 days a week. Prep-work include (Freestyle swim, Treading,)
drown proofing looks like it would be it for me, not been able to bind my feet to practice and the crowd of people seems pretty rough, but I am practicing dolphin kicking to tread at the very least Update: turned out it's all doable, but iwps are a bitch and my hips are weak
@@jajuanhernandez2357 oh man, what a throwback! Unfortunately no. Ended up being the land or that got me, started picking up overuse injuries. Currently serving as a corpsman with plans to go back through the DMT pipeline.
Thank god I found your video, about a year away from graduating college. Wanting to be a Navy EOD officer so I'll definitely get to work on traing for this. Can you upload more please, this content is GOLD.
Good stuff.... Went through Navy Dive School in 1983... there wasn't any Dive Prep course at that time and we had high attrition rates. Great to see the Navy getting this course set up. Your video would have been very helpful to me back in the day... I had a lot of unhappy surprises 🙌 Hooyah Deep Sea
There are no NDs on submarines. The boat sends people to dive school as a collateral duty. I went with next to no notice and was not prepared at all. I was class two swim qualled but having no physical training for dive school and no mental prep it was overwhelming. I DORed if I'm being honest. Can't change the past though. Hope to get the chance to go back someday and redeem myself.
This happens often. People assume since SC (scuba) qual isn’t “full-blown dive school” it must not be difficult. It’s all difficult, it’s only too difficult without proper preparation. Your honesty and humility will serve you well and I hope you get a second crack at it!
watching this while at CEODD, shitting my pants rn👍 they got rid of dive mo at bootcamp, so I haven't touched a pool in 11 weeks. I used to be a lifeguard too, so I'm surprised how uncomfortable I am in the water for over unders. Definitely came unprepared, wish I saw your video sooner. Thanks for the video.
wish this video came out before I shipped lol attrition rate is much higher now lol especially if you're EOD. You all go through the same selection, but because there's typically more EOD candidates they try to get some to quit before selection even starts. But I hear they actually have a pretty good prep now so it might be different than when I went.
from my division of 88, 44 were diver and EOD. 41 quit in over-unders.... I was the only one to graduate. Butttt then had to do it again after I graduated... dont ever be late from liberty! even if you have graduated :')
Good info. There have been many classes to go from white shirt to blue/gold…then back to white shirts. Training isn’t over until there’s a pin on your chest.
Dont remember over unders. Most guys in our class dropped on weighted treads for 3mins and the IWP finals. Only 30% went to dive school. This was back in 2015 though
Negative. As far as HM-ATF goes, only DMTs attend CEODD. HM-ATF SARC candidates report to Camp Pendleton, CA directly after boot camp. They jump into the field med, recon, SERE, airborne, combat diver, and ARC before starting SOC Medic training.
So the goal of drown-proofing is to get you into a mindset that allows you to tread almost indefinitely by regulating your buoyancy through breathing and staying calm. That being said, I believe the drown-proofing test window to be around 4-5 minutes. Again, once you get a proper technique, the test duration is somewhat immaterial.
BU3 here, preparing for UCT about 2-3 years from now, just a nice head start and trying to get fully qualified at my command, have the opportunity to get three warfare devices so I’m taking it, waiting till I’m also a BU2, any tips on how different UCT is from ND in their training? I heard UCT doesn’t go through CEODD.
Firstly, because pressure and stress are high. It’s not conducted in an environment that is known for its “you’ve got this buddy” mentality. When you surface before you’re supposed to (not the full length) things can go from bad to worse in highly creative ways. Secondly, any show of panic can satisfy and involuntary DOR.
When I was there in February it was said they were adding a actual prep course before “dive prep” which is actually a selection course. Definitely wouldn’t rely on any prep course and would show up very over qualified, especially when it comes to water comfortability.
Got my contract for diver last month and I'm leaving December, I was wondering how long is the dive prep course? I've heard from sources that it was either 7 weeks or 15 days
@@seang9574 the hardest thing is the over-unders. Practice doing them w a charged mask and also using only a snorkel. If you can do this w 5 second breaks in between rounds then thats great. Begin w 1 minute breaks and tread while resting. Have a partner watch you and also start reading the US Navy Dive Manual because it’s important info they expect you to know. Good luck and I wish someone would have told me these things earlier
I was an underwater construction tech (UCT). When the other programs rerated in 2006, UCTs were the only ones to keep their source rate. As a result, my rate was SW(DV).
Negative, over/unders will be done perpendicular to the normal direction of swimming (this keeps you in the deep end the entire time). Your class is split on either side of the deep end with no one in the shallow section for the exercise. So, it’s shorter than 25yrds.
There seems to be a larger section that exits the pipeline via DOR. There are VOLUNTARY and INVOLUNTARY DORs. If you exhibit panic or are a safety concern, you can be involuntarily dropped without technically failing an evolution. This can vary from class to class though as there are often a good amount of PST failures that never progress to the difficult stuff. The PST strictness at CEODD is no joke.
@@brasstacks8136 i know im two years late but im going to dive school for DMT, wdym by PST strictness? do they require ur scores to improve each time? and wdym by panicking?
Unfortunately, most of charged mask competence/confidence comes from exposing yourself to the sensation of water trying to force its way down your throat via your nostrils. In essence, getting comfortable being uncomfortable. In the months leading up to dive school (a while ago for me) I would shower and brush my teeth with a mask full of water. This eventually developed the muscle coordination required to prevent backflow while doing simple things or even speaking coherently with a charged mask. If you do this USE DISTILLED WATER to prevent sinus infections. I hope that helps!
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Which of these evolutions do you see as being the most challenging? How are you training to mitigate it?
Currently an Active Duty Marine, preparing to Separate and go for HM-ATF(SARC) contract... Getting in the water at least 4-5 days a week. Prep-work include (Freestyle swim, Treading,)
drown proofing looks like it would be it for me, not been able to bind my feet to practice and the crowd of people seems pretty rough, but I am practicing dolphin kicking to tread at the very least
Update: turned out it's all doable, but iwps are a bitch and my hips are weak
@@theuniversalbean9352did you make it through dive school?
@@jajuanhernandez2357 oh man, what a throwback! Unfortunately no. Ended up being the land or that got me, started picking up overuse injuries. Currently serving as a corpsman with plans to go back through the DMT pipeline.
Thank god I found your video, about a year away from graduating college. Wanting to be a Navy EOD officer so I'll definitely get to work on traing for this. Can you upload more please, this content is GOLD.
Did you do it?
Good stuff.... Went through Navy Dive School in 1983... there wasn't any Dive Prep course at that time and we had high attrition rates. Great to see the Navy getting this course set up. Your video would have been very helpful to me back in the day... I had a lot of unhappy surprises 🙌 Hooyah Deep Sea
Attrition rates are the same now as back then!
There are no NDs on submarines. The boat sends people to dive school as a collateral duty. I went with next to no notice and was not prepared at all. I was class two swim qualled but having no physical training for dive school and no mental prep it was overwhelming. I DORed if I'm being honest. Can't change the past though. Hope to get the chance to go back someday and redeem myself.
This happens often. People assume since SC (scuba) qual isn’t “full-blown dive school” it must not be difficult. It’s all difficult, it’s only too difficult without proper preparation. Your honesty and humility will serve you well and I hope you get a second crack at it!
Covered everything pretty well. IWPs are what got me out.
This is super beneficial for guys and gals going into this career field.
watching this while at CEODD, shitting my pants rn👍 they got rid of dive mo at bootcamp, so I haven't touched a pool in 11 weeks. I used to be a lifeguard too, so I'm surprised how uncomfortable I am in the water for over unders. Definitely came unprepared, wish I saw your video sooner. Thanks for the video.
You better pass you don’t want to end in engineering like me bro
Or in Apact like me
Prepare for getting recked with lead weights in your pockets haha
@emanuelreina4138, how’d it go?
@@nathanielwills3217which parts made you fail?
Failure rate was a lot higher than 50% when I went there lol.
It definitely fluctuates wildly at times, eh?
It’s at 79% now
Attrition was 80% last month doubt it was higher than that
@@BvngeeGvmdid you pass?
@@jordanraucci7811 i wasn’t there knew someone who did pass
Hahaha this is too funny, accurate AF though! Great video
This was super helpful, plz make more videos!! :)
I’m working on a few currently. Anything specific?
wish this video came out before I shipped lol attrition rate is much higher now lol especially if you're EOD. You all go through the same selection, but because there's typically more EOD candidates they try to get some to quit before selection even starts. But I hear they actually have a pretty good prep now so it might be different than when I went.
This has helped a lot, thanks for making this video
Very informative and well explained.
from my division of 88, 44 were diver and EOD.
41 quit in over-unders.... I was the only one to graduate. Butttt then had to do it again after I graduated... dont ever be late from liberty! even if you have graduated :')
Good info. There have been many classes to go from white shirt to blue/gold…then back to white shirts. Training isn’t over until there’s a pin on your chest.
Ditch n Dawn and Over/Unders we dropped like 6 guys in each evolution. Doesn’t seem like a lot but our class was small
Hey, love your videos. I was wondering if you would be able to do one on the Human Performance Test. I heard that they started doing that at CEODD.
treading water with hands and feet tied seems the hardest unless you're allowed to float on your back
underwater knot tying looks like it would be the hardest thing
Thanks man
Probably all of them may cause me to fail, im just training to get to dive school
More information on “porpoising.”
You swim backwards and upside down?
Dont remember over unders. Most guys in our class dropped on weighted treads for 3mins and the IWP finals. Only 30% went to dive school. This was back in 2015 though
What are the best time tables to do for increased Co2 tolerance?
Hooray, fort story eod, VA
Keep ‘em coming ! Great videos
The stress test is what a lot of my class said was the hardest
It's a considerable event as well!
What does the stress test consist of?
@@MrTwinkieC 4 mile ruck (50lb), during the ruck you’ll be tasked with things that make it more difficult
Do SARCs have to do this after boot camp?
Negative. As far as HM-ATF goes, only DMTs attend CEODD. HM-ATF SARC candidates report to Camp Pendleton, CA directly after boot camp. They jump into the field med, recon, SERE, airborne, combat diver, and ARC before starting SOC Medic training.
Very clear info and wonderfully presented! Thank you!
Them underwaters be tough
How long is the treading with out feet and hands
So the goal of drown-proofing is to get you into a mindset that allows you to tread almost indefinitely by regulating your buoyancy through breathing and staying calm.
That being said, I believe the drown-proofing test window to be around 4-5 minutes. Again, once you get a proper technique, the test duration is somewhat immaterial.
BU3 here, preparing for UCT about 2-3 years from now, just a nice head start and trying to get fully qualified at my command, have the opportunity to get three warfare devices so I’m taking it, waiting till I’m also a BU2, any tips on how different UCT is from ND in their training? I heard UCT doesn’t go through CEODD.
Let me know if you find out, I go to dive school for UCT July 2024
@@Cortez22ifywhat are you doing to prepare for dive school?
If the over unders aren’t a pass fail evolution, what happens if a student surfaces for air during the under portion?
You are allowed to surface for air during the under portion but the instructors will show you how they want you to do it.
Will you be uploading new videos?
DMT doesn't belong in this conversation
Yes it does
If the over unders are not a pass fail evolution then why is there so many DORs?
Firstly, because pressure and stress are high. It’s not conducted in an environment that is known for its “you’ve got this buddy” mentality. When you surface before you’re supposed to (not the full length) things can go from bad to worse in highly creative ways.
Secondly, any show of panic can satisfy and involuntary DOR.
Any new updates on the curriculum? I’m a fleet returned Sailor heading for CEODD in a couple of months.
How'd it go? I'm currently working on my diver contract
@@neverfaideupdate on your diver contract?
We need more vids I go to boot camp in 19 days
So how did everything go?
Do you have any information on the 4 more weeks added to prep in august?
When I was there in February it was said they were adding a actual prep course before “dive prep” which is actually a selection course. Definitely wouldn’t rely on any prep course and would show up very over qualified, especially when it comes to water comfortability.
@@paleodynamics6333 Awesome thanks brother!
Got my contract for diver last month and I'm leaving December, I was wondering how long is the dive prep course? I've heard from sources that it was either 7 weeks or 15 days
You’re looking at 7 weeks in prep for ND. Do good things!
@@brasstacks8136 thank you heres to hoping 🤞
Im in prep rn as a eod candidate w the nd’s and the prep course is 4 weeks
@@masteroogway334 oh awesome good to know. If you don't mind me asking whats the hardest thing you guys have to do in prep?
@@seang9574 the hardest thing is the over-unders. Practice doing them w a charged mask and also using only a snorkel. If you can do this w 5 second breaks in between rounds then thats great. Begin w 1 minute breaks and tread while resting. Have a partner watch you and also start reading the US Navy Dive Manual because it’s important info they expect you to know. Good luck and I wish someone would have told me these things earlier
What was your rate in the navy?
I was an underwater construction tech (UCT). When the other programs rerated in 2006, UCTs were the only ones to keep their source rate. As a result, my rate was SW(DV).
@@brasstacks8136 Did you enjoy UCT over regular Seabees?
Is the pool for the over unders 25 yards?
Negative, over/unders will be done perpendicular to the normal direction of swimming (this keeps you in the deep end the entire time). Your class is split on either side of the deep end with no one in the shallow section for the exercise.
So, it’s shorter than 25yrds.
@@dominicboddie8442 Nice shit Boddie 😂
So would you say most people DOR or fail and get removed?
There seems to be a larger section that exits the pipeline via DOR. There are VOLUNTARY and INVOLUNTARY DORs. If you exhibit panic or are a safety concern, you can be involuntarily dropped without technically failing an evolution.
This can vary from class to class though as there are often a good amount of PST failures that never progress to the difficult stuff. The PST strictness at CEODD is no joke.
@@brasstacks8136 i know im two years late but im going to dive school for DMT, wdym by PST strictness? do they require ur scores to improve each time? and wdym by panicking?
Can you give tips on how to deal with a charged mask? or maybe a video on it ?
Unfortunately, most of charged mask competence/confidence comes from exposing yourself to the sensation of water trying to force its way down your throat via your nostrils. In essence, getting comfortable being uncomfortable. In the months leading up to dive school (a while ago for me) I would shower and brush my teeth with a mask full of water. This eventually developed the muscle coordination required to prevent backflow while doing simple things or even speaking coherently with a charged mask. If you do this USE DISTILLED WATER to prevent sinus infections. I hope that helps!
@@eaglesauce7948 awesome, thanks thats what i needed to hear.
Also, this is Brass Tacks, I just messaged from my personal account! Ha. Either way, the info is out.