WildUte University: Does Miami fit in the B1G?
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WildUte University: Does Miami fit in the B1G?
Join WildUte and Bomb3r as they take a deep dive into the numbers to see just how the University of Miami matches up in the Big Ten. - กีฬา
I appreciate Ute’s voice on alignment more than most. He doesn’t bring wild conjecture and tea leaf reading. He offers objective metrics and analysis. The realignment side of TH-cam needs more of this.
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Wild Ute: Very good analysis. Your numbers pushed me into the NO camp. I thought the academics and TV market were better. I say take FSU and ND ( if you can get them), and NO to anyone else and wait for your Utes and ASU to become available.
The TV market doesn't matter when everything is heading to streaming. Plus when Miami is actually put on national TV they draw ratings.
TV markets don’t matter as much as they used to, but they still matter. It’s surprising that Miami DMA is so low, shocking actually-agree with you.
Terps love playing Miami in football. We own the series 9-8, I think, right now. I’m a S FL Terp. Would love both of my UM’s in the same conference again.
Yeah, Miami would be a good add for the B1G. Hope the Canes and the Terps play again soon.
In terms of athletics, research, academics, location, market-size and number of Big Ten alumni in the area, Miami fits quite well.
Agreed
And B1G fans up north want to travel for nonconference games. Yes!
@@heartbreak25 Answer: hard yes
Mid Miami. The people that saw Miami in their glory days and can still remember it are now in their 40s to 60s now.
Viewership is a no brainer. They can't even fill their stadium for home games.
Appreciate the work guys!
the people in their 40-60's have the money and make up the bulk of the donors
@@glennlewman4186 Miami has 20 to 30 more years to do something because those people donating will be retired or gone
When Miami is actually put on national TV they draw ratings. When they are regulated to the abortion that is the ACC Network they don't. When they played FSU they drew over 4 million
Let me find out that you're a mid big ten team fan lmao
in Big 10 it would be different. If Miami has even a decent season their games will draw eyeballs. Miami vs blue blood teams draws eyeballs. So Miami vs Ohio State, Michigan, USC, Penn State, Oregon etc will all be big money games for the conference. Miami is also a team that would help entice Notre Dame to join. Notre Dame wants to play southeastern teams that why they have deal with ACC. Adding FSU helps Big 10 but its just one school. ND would love for Big 10 to add teams like Miami, Georgia Tech and UNC for recruiting reasons and southeastern exposure.
The TV market issue in South Florida is always misunderstood. Unlike the large sprawling and consolidated DMAs in many midwestern states, Southern Florida is divided into 5 separate DMAs. The Miami / Ft. Lauderdale DMA covers only 3 counties, Miami-Dade, Broward and Monroe (FL Keys). Palm Beach is a separate DMA although its firmly part of the same metro area. This is like Dallas - Ft. Worth or Minneapolis - St. Paul having 2 separate TV markets.
UM's TV market actually comprises 5 DMAs in southern Florida:
- Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne, FL #17
- Tampa-Saint Petersburg-Sarasota, FL #13
- West Palm Beach-Fort Pierce, FL #39
- Ft. Myers-Naples, FL #55
- Miami-Ft. Lauderdale, FL #18
There's a reason why FOX is pushing for Miami so hard.
Even just combining Miami and Palm Beach would give you a market squarely in the top 10 nationally and only behind LA and Chicago in the Big Ten markets.
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Wonderful analysis, it’s always amazing how statistics and facts tell a story. Well done!
Much appreciated, David.
Great job WildUte! Miami is a clear fit for the B1G, but not a full-share right away unless FOX says otherwise.
Miami is a UCLA type sidekick partner add for the B1G. If you are B1G Presidents are you excited to go see an FB or BB game in Miami? Absolutely. Don’t downplay the fun part that Miami brings to the B1G.
You are spot on with the UCLA comparison. You can add the poor Stadium issues ( attendance and location) as something else Miami has in common with UCLA. If I was the Big 10, I would add Florida State and unless ND agreed to come, that would be it.
@@davidbrown386 Great job on the show, WildUte.
I get why David and Mr.Ed say UCLA is a sidekick partner type since they do bring lower overall value than USC in these realiignment talks. That sidekick moniker doesn't seem to tell the whole story since only the very cream of the schools bring more overall value to the B1G than UCLA according to WildUte's excellent analysis, OSU, USC, Michigan & Penn St.
The member schools of the B1G confirmed UCLA's high value in voting to make them the only full revenue share addition to the league in their history, along with USC.
@WildUte with the great vid rocking out
Much appreciated!
@@wildute6958 why would the B1G add FSU (or insert any southern ACC team and not give them a “travel partner relatively nearby”
Since both South Carolina and Maryland are gone do you see any of the 5 remaining founding members Clemson, Duke, UNC, NC State or Wake staying in the ACC(UVA was the first expansion team later on in 1953(bylaws ratified 6/14/53, 12/4/53 UVA was added)
@@danielkopcha2011 Yeah, I see Duke and Wake remaining in the ACC. Think ACC adds Tulane and USF (and maybe Oregon St and Wazzu) after losing schools to the B1G, SEC, and Big12.
My takeaway from this is that the B1G should kick out Indiana and Purdue and add Notre Dame
😂 yes! Indiana is a boon. This type of value piggyback is one of the drivers in the super league break away talk.
The B1G isn't kicking out any schools. Ever. Purdue is one of the top engineering schools in the country and has produced 27 astronauts who have traveled to space. I know the nerdy academic stuff doesn't matter to some segments, but it matters a whole lot to us in the B1G. It's how we have to get jobs, start businesses, and pay the high costs of living in larger cities.
People are talking about $30M per year playoff deals while being totally oblivious to the fact that the NSF Regional Innovation Engines grant alone pays out $160M and the EDA Tech Hub grant pays out over $100 million. Purdue and Indiana are part of both of them in the B1G regional consortium. The federal government dwarfs Fox, ESPN, NBC, and CBS combined in funding to universities. That's why the B1G prioritizes academics above athletics for better or worse.
Appreciate your time and effort on these. Great info. Thank you.
Thanks D5Terps. They do take time, but I think it’s worth it because the analysis is revealing about who’s a real contender and who’s not. If it’s been of value, please share the video with other CFB fans. Best!
Another fantastic job.
A very good review. This analysis was also done on "The Voice of College Football", but on more potential schools. Ibloke yhst youbfocused only in Miami.
Miami is 100% a fit for the B1G. You can talk about attendance all you want (the fans only ahow up to big games even back when they were winning nattys) but when they are put on national tv they draw ratings, when they are relegated to the abortion that is the ACC Network, they dont. Add that to the fact that they are AAU certified and are a recruiting juggernaut and a recruiting hot bed and you dont have too many more better fits
Agreed! Great comment
Miami doesn't have the admission standards it needs to be in the big ten . Big ten bylaws say academic standards cannot be compromised. Key is admission standards not academic rank
Can’t that change upon entry? I mean, Nebraska and Oregon are marginal academically.
I think the tv ratings for Miami will follow behind their recruiting and winning. +Recruiting --> +Winning --> +TV ratings. It will be interesting to see what Miami's tv ratings are in 2024 and beyond.
FSU and Miami should be a lock to the B1G.
Good work bud! Gooooo Bluuuuuueeeeee Baby!
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Do another video that combines all these together! (Fsu, miami, clemson etc)
As a Florida State fan; if we go to the B1G, I hope it is with at least 1 rival Miami or Clemson... ideally in my mind B1G could add Notre Dame, Florida State, Clemson, and Miami.
Yes, that’s the same quartet I think will end up in the B1G. Agreed!
@@wildute6958 of course if I had guessed a year ago... just from a simple fans perspective- based off of viewership, culture fit, and then also expanding footprint... I would of had FSU, Clemson, NC State, and VT to SEC and then UNC, UVA, ND, and Miami to the B1G ("The Magnificent 7" out) 🤣... but right now FSU to B1G seems likely, so who knows 🤔
Does Miami not having an on-campus stadium a negative for B1G admission?
I do believe so but it might be a negative that other positives are able to overcome if some of the rumors are true about B1G interest.
It’s certainly a negative for The University of Miami. A lack of on-campus stadium should not factor much into a conference membership decision. The lack of attendance and ticket sales isn’t money that was going to the conference.
The Orange Bowl also wasn’t on campus. The stadium location becomes an issue only when the team can no longer attract the crowds to fill it.
Similarly, UCLA doesn’t have an on-campus stadium. Having to play in the rose bowl hurts attendance and, IMO, distances the students from the culture of its football program. Was it a negative for gaining B1G membership? It doesn’t help. But, it probably made little difference in UCLA gaining membership.
Totally agree that the Gators and Noles are more valuable. Question for you, who in the ACC or Big12 is more desirable than Miami? (FSU, UNC, Clemson, Notre Dame, ok, but who else.)
As a native Ohioan and OSU fan: NO! the Buckeyes killed the Hurricanes in the 2002 BCS championship game. they've never been the same. The last thing I need is all of this '5 rings' talk when Ohio State put the kabash on all of that. Also add FSU to the list. Look, Ohio State is the ACC Killer. Ask Miami (who was independent before joining the ACC in 2004 and since haven't won the ACC ) and Clemson who hasn't been back to the playoffs since Ohio State put them out of their misery in 2020.
As a Buckeye, would’ve thought you’d enjoy a nice in-conference Miami vacation during fall.
As a native Floridian and FSU fan, notice how he does not talk much about Florida State, who actually beats the Gators and doesn't get owned like Ohio State 😅. FSU is 3-0 vs Ohio nuts and 2-1 vs Michigan with no games played in Tallahassee because you guys are big pussies. Looking at the state where the majority of your best recuits are actually from, I can see why you are so scared of the Florida schools being on an equal level. Maybe actually win a game against Florida State or even Florida before acting like some world beater when your team barely schedules anyone out of conference. Not every school is strong enough, like FSU to be the main rival for two schools. Michigan is with MSU and OSU even though its not on the same level as UF and UM as both are in state. I respect them for not being afraid to play teams like Ohio State. FYI Michigan actually has one win against FSU and UF. Ohio State has NONE 😂😂😂 The Seminoles are called the UNCONQUERED for a reason
I think your TV viewing might be skewed as there are three TV markets in South Florida as far as Nielsen Ratings are concerned. Miami-Dade, Fort Lauderdale and then West Palm Beach.
Thanks for the comment! We use the media markets assigned to each A4 college school as determined by Dr. Paulsen of Sports Watch Media. He’s the utmost expert, so we’re not going to make any adjustments to his assessments.
@@wildute6958 Sports Media Watch just uses the DMAs though and doesn't track the Palm Beach market at all because there are no teams located there. They even have a disclaimer on the rankings that says that flagship state schools are assigned to multiple in-state markets and others are assigned based on proximity (so Miami is assigned to Miami-Fort Lauderdale). Their rankings are based on market and not based on school, since you are doing an analysis on the school you 100% should be including the Palm Beach market. In reality, Miami-Fort Lauderdale and Palm Beach are the same metro area and would be a top 10 market if they weren't arbitrarily divided.
You guys said yourself that you were shocked by the size of the tv market. The reason isn't that people don't own tv's, the reason is that they divide the metro area into two different DMAs.
I do have a question tho. How come the academic ranking was used to measure Miami and not Florida state? They got the blueblood rankimg instead
Miami is a half share fit. Their stadium is almost an hour away from campus, home crowd attendance is atrocious, travel crowd ranks in the dozens. TV viewership is low-mid. They have been in the ACC for 20 years and had one 10 win season. Yes, they get half if the BIG10 wants them at all.
You nailed it. Miami is a half share fit.
Spread the word.
New recommendations came into the fold after the original FSU video. There needed an academics component, so the above criteria was selected after consultation with B1G folks.
Always trying to calibrate and enhance this thing for accuracy.
Good review.
Question for teams NOT FSU, ND or UNC.... those other teams won't get full shares. With only a partial share from SEC or B10, none of them would be able to leave the ACC unless the GOR is annulled.
I mean do they make 25-35M in the ACC or 35-45M in the B10/SEC. And having to pay something....
And if only FSU leaves initially ESPN might pick up the media rights anyway.
Some of the other schools might have to stay a while unless the GOR is broken
If UNC who has absolutely no history of winning anything deserves a full share then Miami does
The TV viewership chart is misleading. It "does not include ACC Network". Miami played most of its games on the ACC network. The rest were on Bally sports, which is a regional broadcast. So if it only counts the limited area broadcasts, of course viewership is going to be a small number.
What’s misleading about it? Nielsen doesn’t rate ACC Network games; nor Pac12 Network games. So either your can make an subjective guesstimate for a rating between teams like Miami vs Wake Forest (played on the ACC Network) or you can do what Nielsen does and simply not rate it. (There’s a reason it’s not rated. That reason is the viewership numbers are embarrassingly low.) If you think guesstimating is the way to go, I ask you this: what would the actual number be? I’d guesstimate it to be less than 200k per game, which is immaterial in the comparison.
@@wildute6958Setting all team/conferences biases aside, do you honestly think Illinois and Purdue average more viewers per game than Miami? That doesn't seem even a little unlikely? I know you think its weird because you guys even acknowledge how surprising it is in the video, intermediately after the segment pointing out that Miami is a national brand.
What I am saying is that the Nielsen chart IS using Bally's numbers in those estimates. It explains the whole thing. Bally isn't even broadcast is 15+ states. So of course any estimate using Bally viewer numbers is always going to be lower.
If you were calculating Utah's viewership it wouldn't make sense to use numbers excluding the entire east coast. That's what using Bally's numbers basically does. It cuts out the entire west coast and much of the north.
@@hurricaneJason07 On a 3-year average, yes, I do think Illinois and Purdue have pulled more viewership than the Canes. For two reasons: 1) B1G fans watch B1G football (all teams - good or bad). 2) Each B1G team gets viewership upside playing the likes of Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State.
Now, if the question was rephrased to say that given the same variables (opponents, distribution, ranking, time of game, etc.), who would draw more - I’d say Miami is much stronger than Illinois/Purdue and most of the B1G. The point of this project wasn’t to do that type of analysis, and no one has other than perhaps media companies.
For reference-here was the top ACC viewership for 2023:
Florida State - 3.58M
Clemson - 1.70M
(Utah - 1.53M)
Louisville - 1.36M
Miami FL - 1.33M
Duke - 1.32M
North Carolina - 966K
Georgia Tech - 766K
Syracuse - 703K
I am sure the B10 donors would love a road trip to Miami.
I would ne vsry interested in the market numbers after thr 2024 season.
Miami fans will show up and watch when thr team is good. If they've bad, a lot of fans will find something else to do. They're not fair westher fans. Most fans would do the same thing if they had more options.
I think playing in the ACC and not winning tmat a high level is killing Miami’s tv viewership. I would like to see the tv projections if Maimi wins the ACC and makes it to the CFP. Instant clout to join the B1G, in my opinion.
The administration and booster have invested and committed to making Miami great again. This just happened when they hired Mario. This year we should see whst Miami will be moving forward.
Can u compare gt Miami fsu Clemson Syracuse nc Virginia Pitt Kansas asu Arizona nd Texas am and even utahin one video going to the bigten
FSU and Clemson much stronger adds
Yeah, it seems like Clemson is a really good option. I like them both, Miami and Clemson to the B1G.
If UNC is a full share school then Miami is 😂. UNC has 0 history of winning anything and that has to be considered
UNC is a full share and Miami is a half share. Exactly! UNC brings elite bball and better academics, so they have a higher value proposition.
For one, there's SEC competition for UNC when there's none for MIAMI.
@@tarheel7460 Troll. I and many others say the same things.
Why the obsession?
@@tarheel7460 Such a fool, fraud and troll. Again, why the obsession?
@@tarheel7460 A troll, fool & fraud has no standing.
It sounds more like you guys are making a lot of excuses for Miami, Your blaming theACC four the hurricanes failures, and not being able to succeed, but why were Florida State and Clemson able to overcome and not just win conference championships, but national championships? They have been playing in the same league. when the numbers look mediocre or don’t seem to be in your favor, you explain it away by saying that they will perform better in the big 10. but you had the same problems that the ACC has. outside of Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn state, who else has done anything and outside of Oregon which of the new schools entering your league have been that consistent? in nationwide viewership Florida State ranks seventh and Clemson ranks 22nd with Miami ranking 32nd and North Carolina ranking 46, but I guess you’ll say academics play the biggest part in the decision but what about the moves the two power conferences have been making shows you that they care anything about academics unfortunately, the only brand that matters is your football brand, because that what brings in the most money for your conference and for the TV executives because when it’s time to renew those TV contracts, nobody is gonna want to hear about assumptions about a team improving in a new conference.
Great comment, Dave. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Football ratings is the main realignment driver. But, the B1G does care about fit and academics for prospective members. It matters to this conference, unlike the Big12 and SEC. It’s a factor. Also, keep in mind academics only equates to 17% of the overall weight, so while a factor, wasn’t massive.
Yes-Miami,Clemson,UNC,Duke,Syracuse,Pittsburg-should-go-to-the-big12
Give Big12 Miami, UNC, and Pitt. Pass on Duke and Cuse.
Why?
No they don’t
David, you know that you and I want Miami in the Big12. Just don’t see that as realistic. Would love it though.
I suspect MIAMI gets better than average ACCN ratings (unavailable), but your findings suggest that MIAMI does get decent tier 1 channel ratings. Nevertheless, really evidences that this was a failed ACC expansion. MIAMI was supposed to be a football tentpole draw that didn't rely on playing another brand for ratings. Demanded dilutive CUSE/BC and then declined after the invite. Would a move to a P2 really change much?
Think Miami is a strong brand, so with strong football success (top 5), they’re likely to draw more than other top 10-25 brands.
@tarheel7460 Troll. Can you at least attempt to reply to what I actually write?
@tarheel7460 So dumb. My comment dealt with MIAMI's decline after it won those nattys. Honestly,,do you read or just bot comment?
Miami is a sleeping giant
💯 agree. Miami will rise again.
Probably not. Small school. Small fan base. Just ok tv draw, no stadium. Doesn't really seem to fit
Does the “nole74” name hint have anything to do with this assessment. Haha😂
@@wildute6958 it's mostly their crappy ratings. I wasn't even around when these 2 were playing for championships so I don't have anything against Miami perse.
I dislike the Gators much more, but I can also see how the Gators and FSU or much more valuable to a conference than Miami. It comes down to a large number of people care about the gators and Seminole, but not many people care about the hurricanes.