WildUte University: Does UNC fit in the B1G?
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WildUte University: Does UNC fit in the B1G?
Join WildUte and Bomb3r as they take a deep dive into the numbers to see just how the University of North Carolina matches up in the Big Ten. - กีฬา
This was awesome!! Great job fellas!!
Man oh man you guys knock it out of the park as usual thank you for all you do your fan Tim. 🏈🏀💥
Great show as usual!! 🎉
I absolutely love these analyses, hope you continue to produce them while we wait for more news. Would love to see comparisons for UVa, Miami, GT, and even throw in your Utes for good measure. Thanks!
Thank you @davidhall !!
We’ll take you! Go BIG!
Great analysis as usual. Thanks for all your work.
Great job with the analytics! The way you present, it is so easy to understand. Appreciate all the time you put into doing this!
Thanks for the feedback, David! Much appreciated.
Yes absolutely
This is great can't wait for Does GT fit in the B1G?
Yes
Great job!
Great video. I enjoyed the analysis.
Thank you, David. We'll keep them coming. Miami next up.
Great🎉
while Academically they do, but sports wise they are more inline with the SEC. I still say that SEC is trying to reform the old southern conference footprint and thus they need a North Carolina and Virginia school to make it happen.
💯 agree. SEC will fight a war for UNC. While both the B1G and the SEC will battle for the heels, the SEC will probably win.
I wish after the big 10, you would do analysis on teams to big 12 and sec
I would be interested in seeing a version of this with UNC/NcSt blended as they might be tied at the hip. When you blend their value/ viewership etc, are they worth 2 shares? Could be a hard sell for B1G or SEC
I would also be interested in how these would look if you take out markets to see how a future streaming based sports world (ESPN/Fox streaming service) without the heavy carriage fee market value. Changes the optics to value actual worldwide viewership over location. That virgin North Carolina market/ Charolette market would be useless if less than a million viewers per game are tuning in to streaming.
There is zero percent chance that the blend of UNC and NC State are worth two spots. Don’t see the numbers working out with UNC for a full share and NC State half share either. Wolfpack don’t fit.
Further proof of how perception of what is true can outweigh actual truth in regards to the perception of UNC by those recruits. I tend to not worry as much about viewership. It will go up quite a bit whether they join the B1G or SEC. Great video and I think you are helping folks to realize why The Big Ten has been wanting to add UNC for many years now.
The perception data is skewed by recruit location. It just means there are a lot of recruits in the North Carolina area. Same with Maryland, and the DC area. It doesn't mean a recruit in Ohio or Mississippi thinks UNC or Maryland is a prestigious brand. It doesn't even pass the sniff test, to me, that UNC is a better perceived football brand than Michigan.
@@mrmonkeysays UNC is the biggest overall brand in the ACC by far, which has a bleed over effect to its historically underachieving football. This along with other factors impact a program's ceiling, which will be of higher importance within the future closed P2 world.
College football's 25 biggest brands in 2022, ranked (Jul 22, 2022)
"Official Visit recently surveyed 1,000 high school football players on brand strength and asked athletes to rank college football programs. They included a rolling four-year average in their data findings and the results are telling."
Select Brands from the Top 25:
01 - ALABAMA
05 - CLEMSON
10 - MIAMI
12 - ND
13 - PSU
14 - UNC
16 - MICH
17 - FSU
@tarheel7406 Google "best states for high school recruiting". Notice that North Carolina is consistently around the top 10, ahead of Michigan. Add 2 and 2, and note that it makes 4. You're welcome.
@@tarheel7406LOL. Then explain why FSU has the #10 recruiting class and UNC has the #27 class. Polls are worthless unless they translate into commitments. They don’t.
You may not worry about viewership but I can guarantee you that the networks do. It is literally how they make their living. UNC is a basketball school in a basketball state. Going to another conference is not going to improve their viewership. Their students will leave a football game to watch a basketball scrimmage. They just don’t have a following and going to the SEC is not going to change that. In fact, it will hurt because the few viewers they do get want to watch their long-standing rivalry with other instate and regional teams. UNC-Auburn is not going to outdraw UNC-Virginia. Last year, UNC had what was supposed to be their best team in decades with Drake Maye. That netted them a dismal #46 ranking in viewership. This year they are going to be well into the 50’s. They just don’t have any national interest and going to another conference isn’t going to change that.
Do Miami!
Miami’s next. Recording today. It’s a bit surprising too.
Yes it does.
Have you done a video on Florida State University B1G video?
Yes, check out the WildUte University short video series of videos on our page. Enjoy, and thanks for watching!
If I would have went to wildute university, I could have been a rocket scientist 😢 Great job Doot
Thanks Tony. You da man, like you how you are. Go Gophers
UNC is a better fit for the Big10 than the SEC…but I’m biased..I despise the SEC.
😂 - I agree with everything you’ve said.
North Carolina belongs in the Southeastern conference SEC
Agree that they’ll probably end up in the SEC. They’re a fit for both.
Bb seats 21750
IMO, the questions will be if UNC has a choice between the B1G & SEC where will they want to go?Will they insist that UVA go with them? Will the NC regents force them to take NCSt with them? My guess is FSU will first leave and join the B1G. Then there will be jockeying for a 2nd slot. Assuming ND is not in the mix, B1G will want UNC. If they can’t leave without NCSt or NCST doesn’t have an SEC landing spot, the B1G will shift to Miami or Clemson. My guess is that it would be Clemson being a land grant school that brings football power and Atlanta & Charlotte markets. If NCSt and VT can find homes in the SEC, then I would expect UNC, & Miami to get invitations and B1G pause at 22. If ND decides to join in 2030, then would pair them with UVA or Stanford.
The big problem with UNC besides bad football ( not winning an ACC Title in 40 years), is UNC does not expand BTN coverage ( where the majority of their games will be) as much as you think. I used to live in Hendersonville, NC and BTN was on the same tier as ESPN and Fox Sports 1 with both U-Verse and Dish ( just like ACC Network ( SEC Network was extra)). Just another reason why I think UNC and Clemson go SEC while FSU and Miami go Big 10.
@@davidbrown386 I'm a Cane fan living on the West coast of Central Florida. I'm a originally from Chicago/MidWest and I've lived in Florida for 20 plus years. I can tell you straight out, this state is full of transplants from the Mid West and East coast who are B10 fans and alums. This state ranked 3# in population and grows daily!
I lived in Pembroke Pines so I get it. The Big 10 alumni in the area is just one of the reasons why the Canes are going with FSU to the Big 10. There are others. One underrated reason is the FSU/“U” rivalry. I could easily see this game moved to “Rivalry Week”’ ( like UO/UW). Imagine a Friday/Saturday of OSU/Michigan, USC/ND ( or UCLA), UO/UW, Iowa/Nebraska AND Miami/Florida State? Did I forget to mention Penn State?
@@davidbrown386As a Miami fan, I looked at things logically living here in Florida! Once the B10 went and got USC and UCLA which meant, the B10/Tv partners had the 1# populated state in California. Their agenda is population, tv markets and nation football brands. Well, there is only once state left with teams, that fill that bill! The SEC has Texas and its two biggest football brands. The SEC is already in Florida with UF. The B10 next move not named Notre Dame is in the Southeast in the 3rd largest state with Miami and FSU two national brands! These B10 tv partners want CFB national week match up. You add Miami and FSU to Penn State, Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State, USC, UCLA, Oregon and Washington, that gives you weekly matchups to rival the top of the SEC. Remember, the base B10 schools without USC, UCLA, Washington and Oregon have more alums and fans than the base SEC schools. That is why they have been making more money than the SEC despite not winning only 3 national titles the last 23 years versus the SEC 12 national titles.
The SEC has tried for over 30 years to get UNC. Roy Kramer, SEC commissioner at the time tried hard to get UNC before having to get Arkansas and South Carolina. IMO, the SEC will take NCSU if it means getting UNC. We’ll see how it works out.
Some of those numbers are very problematic for UNC. This may be why we hear Greg Flugaur always mentioning FOX and Miami but not UNC and FOX. This is likely analogous to Stanford whereby the Presidents like a University but FOX is a pretty hard pass. The basketball numbers also need an asterisk since we are talking about the BIG and FOX. FS1 generally gets about half of the viewership as ESPN and much less in commercial rates. In other words, A UNC vs. Indiana game that might get 1.5 million viewers on ESPN will only get 750,000 on FS1. Regular season basketball is far less valuable to the FOX sports conglomerate than to ESPN. Moreover, BIG actually gets good ratings when its teams are ranked and FOX also payed for the tier-1 big 12 basketball rights. Ditto for the big east basketball tier 1 rights. That does not bode well for UNC to the BIG. FSU and Miami appear to be the FOX choice based on the data and most reliable sources.
Excellent video guys as always.
Actually, Flugar has repeatedly stated that the B1G's priorities are ND & UNC, but if either or both are unavailable, then FSU and/or MIAMI.
Exactly right. Another example is this. USC was the Big 10 pick, and they preferred Oregon as the second choice, but it was Fox’s pick and they picked UCLA ( to capture the LA TV Market). Besides that Greg pointed out that the majority of UNC leadership prefers the SEC. It will be the Heels and Clemson to the SEC, and FSU and Miami to the Big 10.
@tarheel7460 Nope. The priorities are ND & UNC. After that, the lower priorities have different backers.
It's also been commonly asserted that STANFORD turned down a B1G invite because it refuses to join the BTAA and share research, etc.
@tarheel7460 Nope.
a) The actual question at hand is what is Flugar's position, right or wrong. Flugar's position is that ND/UNC are the top expansion targets for the B1G. FSU and/or MIAMI are secondary alternatives.
b) I maintain that the BTAA provides only marginal benefits otherwise it would have been replicated. If STANFORD refused a B1G invite to avoid joining the BTAA, that evidences that low marginal value.
More evidence of your poor reading skills.
Doesn’t CBS/FOX broadcast Big 10 basketball games? Obviously lower tier games go on FS1, but UNC would always play on CBS/FOX. There 1.5 million likely be 2 million + on CBS/Fox
Yes. Former B1G Commish Jim Delany (a UNC grad) wanted UNC, GT, and UVA, and that hasn't changed under the new leadership. You are slightly undervaluing UNC's academic value to the B1G, because unlike every other conference, the B1G wants Federal Research Grant money $$$ just as much as TV revenues.
Great comment, Bryan. Hey, question for you. Are you aware of easy obtain grant money data? I’ve used R&D spending because that’s publicly available and easy to access.
It's a branding and culture thing. Grants are not just pooled/shared at the conference level.
@@wildute6958 2021 R&D Expenditures (per at least one source)
UNC (#13) ~$1,206M
PITT (#18) ~$1,135M
GATECH (# 20) ~$1,114M
AZST (#42) ~$677M
UTAH (#47) ~$625M
UVA (#48) ~$611M
CO (#52) ~$548M
NCSTATE (#53) ~$547M
VATECH (#54) ~$542M
GEORGIA (#57) ~$494M
USF (#68) ~$405M
KANSAS (#72) ~$386M
MIAMI (#75) ~$376M
FSU (#83) ~$329M
UCONN (#88) ~$302M
IOWAST (#077) ~$360M
NEB (#087) ~$307M
CUSE (#144) ~$152M
OREGON (#149) ~$139M
The first three of the 2nd batch were effectively expelled from the AAU.
WAKE (#102) ~$264M
ND (#106) ~$240M
CLEMSON (#107) ~$237M
USCAR (#113) ~$215M
RICE (#117) ~$207M
TULANE (#119) ~$205M
HOUSTON (#121) ~$203M
L'VILLE (#124) ~$200M
WVU (#125) ~$200M
MEM (#181) ~$67M
BYU (#219) ~$44M
@@tarheel7460 Idiot. The BTAA is just another entity that makes grant requests (sometimes joint) on behalf of its members. Grants are not just simply pooled/shared. If the BTAA was as effective as people claim, it would have been replicated elsewhere.
@@tarheel7406 Not true. The Federal Gov does not do nickel/dime Grants. These are huge projects that require the combined resources of several Universities.
Keep in mind UNC’s viewership is suppressed by being in the ACC coastal. Many of these Big 10 schools benefit from playing OSU/Mich etc. UNC doesn’t even play Clemson or FSU most years.
100% correct. UNC football viewership would jump big-time in the B1G.
@@wildute6958 Even more so in the SEC, which is now ~90%
@@tarheel7406That is debatable. The B1G would be a monster viewership move for the heels. Realize the SEC is probably the destination, and viewership would jump, but the B1G is a snug fit too.
@@wildute6958 There's a reason why the fans/donors prefer the SEC upon a move. There was the recent power shift and the ousting of the pro -B1G Chancelor. There's the recently reported allying with CLEMSON (which has little chance of a B1G invite). There's the possible hard package with NCSTATE which the SEC is more likely to accept.
The vs. SEC matchups are just more interesting than vs. B1G. MARYLAND is a cautionary tale.
I can't say why UNC has switched its preference at the admin level since at least the USC/UCLA news, but it has. I can say why I personally think that's the correct decision.
The B1G must effectively and materially expand south due to demo trends. That the B1G may invite the #2 FSU when the SEC has the flag FLORIDA is telling.
@@tarheel7406 Yes, the Tar Heels would succeed in the SEC-in most sports especially basketball. Football would be a struggle.
Don’t think NC State has a shot to get into the SEC or B1G. They’re just not valuable enough. They’re a fit for the Big12.
By the way how is wild Ute feeling this morning,😅Ha ha..
Right Georgia Tech 🍻 lol
Football seats 50500
Basketball won't get you in the Big Ten. Doesn't provide the revenue to split the pie by one more. UNC Football doesn't add much to the conference.
Generally agree that basketball doesn’t move the needle. UNC is the exception. Brand wise, UNC bball is equivalent to Ohio State football and is a fit in so many ways. B1G wants UNC.
@@wildute6958 Sure great brand in hoops but Kansas thinks the same thing. The BIG Ten is not really an "entity" that "wants" a school. The universities have to vote a school in individually. Bball doesn't grow the pie bigger than the reduced cut from having one more school.
@@wildute6958 Sorry, not its not! Football is 1# period! There is a reason UCLA came with USC and it not about BB! UCLA is USC main rival. Its a national CFB rivalry game, the B10 tv partners wants that game to in a slot right after the Ohio State vs Michigan game at the end of the year. U
@@FermiFred Great points, again. UNC brings a lot more to the table than KU: bigger brand, better overall sports, way better academics, and bigger market. It'll be interesting to see what happens. I think it's a YES.
@@arronfrazier7873 Fantastic points. Football is #1, totally agree. Think Carolina is an exception though. It offers so much to the B1G, including a new market, big time brand, elite academics, and the biggest basketball brand. Basketball will grow in value compared to football in the coming years making UNC even more attractive.
Good stuff, but meeeechigan is scuwed as Detroit is right next to them, and they own that market, which puts them just below La and Chicago! Gooooo Bluuuuuueeeeee Baby!
Since you brought up the the viewers of each sport and the value of advertising for a two hour basketball game versus a three football hour game. You’re referencing the amount of time. People are physically watching the television. Well then wouldn’t you have to talk about the number of games? Football only plays about half the number of games that basketball does so if anything I’d say there’s a greater opportunity for advertising in basketball than football.
That’s a good point. Also need to factor in the higher prestige aspect of advertising during a football game vs bball. Advertisers are willing to pay more for a football viewed than a basketball viewer because of the higher prestige aspect.
UNC endowment is only 5 billion which isn't that great
Don’t think endowment has a major impact on realignment decisions. Thanks for watching!
Endowment has zero impact. Like zero... 😂
They mentioned it saying that UNC has 12 billion in endowments I was just pointing out that they don't, but I agree that endowments have very little to do with realignment@@wildute6958
@@user-sc2uv1hw2h UNC will end up in the SEC, probably. UNC is a strong player in realignment.
@@heartbreak25 Endowment is a rough indicator of the wealth of donors and media value per viewer. 100K UNC viewers are worth more than 100K (e.g.) UTAH viewers.
I again reference the graph found at the ~11-minute mark in the vid titled:
"Big 12 Expansion Stats and Facts Breakdown | Conference Realignment | Tony Altimore x 365 Sports"