Shogun Episode 10 Recap & Review
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- Ross Bolen and Barrett Dudley digest episode 10 of "Shōgun" from Hulu/FX. Tune in later this week on www.Patreon.com/OystersClamsCockles for further discussion fueled by hotline calls from listeners!
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Lord T asking Anjin to build him a fleet in Ep 10 was about giving him purpose. Lord T was the master of that for several characters throughout the series. Such masterful storytelling.
Ah yeah that makes sense!
I don’t think Lord T knew the plan would work. I I think the show is telling us that the Anjin provided Lord T with the initial spark to become Shogun way back in the beginning of the series when he said, what if you win? That is why Lord T won’t let the Anjin kill himself. It’s more about his value as a hawk to be leveraged, and maybe a splash of superstition since he brought him luck many times, than him being amusing. I don’t think that hurts but that’s not T’s main priority. The Anjin opens him to new ideas that give him an edge. He also amuses him and offers a distraction for his rivals but that’s a bonus.
One comment about Mariko’s poem. Lady Ochiba added the line about the wind. It was so beautiful and tied to Lord T’s comments to Yabu during their final scene. He said he didn’t control the wind but listened to it. That was Mariko. It was so painful and perfect. Thanks again. Sorry about all of the comments but this was so moving I have to opine.
I don't think he gave him the initial spark, he'll have been planning things for a long time (especially when you consider history). I think he was being honest when he told Yabushige why he kept him around and why he'll continue to - he's useful because of his skills as a pilot and his knowledge of cannon, and he provides distractions for his enemies
"All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream." Edgar Allen Poe
“The Ogre lost his precious Leafless Branch the moment he crushed the Flower underfoot; sisters in the end, after all”
「オーガは、彼が足元に花を押しつぶした瞬間に、彼の貴重な葉のない枝を失いました。結局のところ、姉妹」
For the first time in the entire series, Ochiba sama looks directly to Ishido while talking to him; in all other episodes, she glances at him but looks away. That was the most subtle, passive-aggressive death stare I have seen on screen to date.🫣
Yabushige and Toranaga smirking at each other in the end was awesome, too. Yabushige got the best end he could have gotten, considering all he has done: realizing that whether he knew it or not, he has served his Lord Toranaga excellently. And maybe, just maybe, lightening the burden in his conscience a bit, afterall: a future Toranaga victory will never come to pass if Mariko did not die INSIDE of Osaka. An understanding passed between them, no words needed to be said: Toranaga desires to be Shogun, afterall.
Goodbye to our favourite sociopath.
Blackthorne kills a possible future version of himself-an old man, filled with regret, clutching on to Mariko’s crucifix-by mirroring Mariko (literally doing a ritual su!c!d3 like a woman [a blade through the heart] instead of seppuku [slicing his belly open] like a samurai would) in order to protect Ajiro: the first completely selfless thing he has done in the show; and also by letting that exact same crucifix go into the water along with the ashes of Fuji-sama’s family. And to think he did all those things mostly as an act of kindness to Fuji-sama… she deserves the best. 🥹🥹
"I forcced fate to gaze upon me so that I can pluck its eyes out"
-Ochiba no Kata
Also, the fact that Anjin used the word 詰まらない【つまらない】 (tsumaranai) when he said “my war is small” can also be translated to “my wars are petty/trivial/silly/worthless” in reference to his ambitions and designs for England and his war against the Catholics. That was him letting go of his personal ambitions for something greater.
The entire show (and the novel it was based on) was one giant setup to place Toranaga in a position to win the final battle.
The broad strokes of the scenario for the final battle were revealed, but the details of the final battle plan (along with the final politics to fully turn all the lords who now have a soured opinion of Ishido) and how the battle actually ensued are still hidden.
So who is ready for a “new/separate” mini-series or feature film titled “Sekigahara”?
Ohhh, and what was Toranaga holding in his left hand just before it cut to the title card? Crimson Herring!
Didn't know women had a different ritual. Just thought he picked the quicker death route.
@@thehermitman822 it was the same as Mariko. And it was indeed quicker and less painful than sliding your belly open; which is why plunging the dagger to the heart was the way for women.
@@khaii13 I figured it had a macho reasoning.
@@thehermitman822 wouldn’t go that route. But it is a matter of conviction. Dying is not enough; a warrior needs to do it willingly and endure the pain of disembowelment while doing it to sufficiently prove their conviction. A woman back then would probably feel the same amount of pain or maybe more (idk for obvious reasons) when giving birth without any anesthetic; does a woman even really need to suffer through the same thing as the warriors “for equality”?
The fleet building stuff is a nod to the real William Adams who John is based on. He built a fleet of merchant ships and was Tokugawa's (Toranaga's) trading admiral, when he had become Shogun.
Very cool. Thanks for the insight!
The Battle of Sekigahara is only described briefly as an epilogue in the book. I thought they’re going to have title cards at the end, but this is even better…
It was beautifully done
As in the official podcast, they said it right there - they have to put that ‘seppuku’ scene in (which in the novel is very early for a totally different reason), but where to put it is the key…
Of course, put it in the finale after Mariko’s death, because Blackthorne finally realises that her way to love him is to keep him alive, even if she has to die and to refute what Blackthorne wants. ‘Passion’ transcends from romantic love to a ‘love’ that is deep but selfless - her loyalty to a cause that is in her third heart…
Blackthorne, on the other hand, loves in terms of freedom. The way he loves Mariko is also to keep her alive, but he doesn’t realise that he doesn’t have the tools to keep her alive, until he lets her go - once he’s ‘free’, he can find the right way to love her, some way that is also transcending from romantic love…
Thus, it has to be in this moment - his realisation of giving peace to Mariko by volunteering to be her second as his act of love; his final recognition that Mariko loves him in a way that is not about being with him but to let him live - that he finds out an alternative way to love, that is through the cracks of all the rituals, a certain respect to order so he can in return be ‘free’ and have no fear of taking ‘death’ for a much more beautiful outcome…
That is when he earns his ‘seppuku’ moment. Unlike that in the book which is more about assimilating to the culture, Blackthorne’s ‘seppuku’ act (which is not a seppuku to be honest, more like a jigai that is mirroring to Mariko’s final moment as he also makes a speech about his reasons of taking his own life) is not bound by order or the worshiped idea of ‘honour’, but from an honest reaction of his compassion towards the villagers, his love to Mariko and his gratitude to what she has done for him. He’s free from ‘freedom’ (as he turns his head around and sees his alternative future, holding on to Mariko’s rosary back in England, and becoming his own relic in his ‘museum’ - fuck this as he says; he would rather die now for a purpose to honour Mariko and save the village)…
This is a powerful testimony of love and happiness - death is happiness, and as long as Blackthorne can live in a way that is constantly honouring ‘existence’, he’s delight…
That’s why I say,this series pushes Shogun the 1970s book into the 21st century, because if you look closely, the series exudes huge mood of loneliness, solitude and isolation, especially the deep suppressed love between Blackthorne and Mariko, the testing of their romance between them somehow echoes the push and pull that we have in our current status of this generation. We need to see that loneliness as our loneliness, our blindness ‘strive’ to reach ‘freedom’, to earn our ending through Blackthorne’s recognition. Wars are now closer and closer to us through media, and we can’t do anything to them. What we can do is not to regress (we need to have the spirit of Blackthorne) but also intelligently find the way to peace…
What i liked about Toronaga plans being unclear is that we get to feel like his enemies. Logically speaking, he has to lose, but by a series of muscles he wins
Definitely a cool aspect
"A dream of a dream" might also be a reference to the poem "A dream within a dream" by Edgar Allan Poe. the poem is about how reality is so hopeless that it feels like a dream, while a dream seems more like reality. there's theme about letting go of what you want and compromising/accepting your reality.
Yes, there was a war. The battle of Sekigahara. But it was not a "choice" to leave it out. The story never was about the battle.The novel includes more than 1000 pages. The battle is mentioned in 11 lines in the epilogue.
Amazing episode. I couldn’t stop the tears, even on the rewatch. Loved your recaps ❤ I was going to add a comment about Mariko’s son appearing in earlier episodes but then heard your correction which was cool. Thanks for the great recaps and thoughtful discussions.
I feel if they had mentioned the son of Mariko at least once while she was away it would have hit harder. Perhaps when she was having tea with her husband.
hes really not omniscient he didnt know , the scene where Hiromatsu killed himself, he just went into that knowing he had to sell his defeat to buy time , he couldn't get the Edo generals to back down he decides there he has to sac Hiro to sell it.
the Mariko ploy he knows he can use her to split the regents he knows it will needle Ochiba but he doesnt know that will actually sway her .
he only commits to moves with very good odds with the chance of big wins at known manageable costs.
As Tolkien would say he makes decisions on what he knows not fears.
Oh and Toranaga doesnt want to be Shogun , he never has and doesnt seek it , he never has ;)
if i recall the book correctly that end fight does happen but its basically a footnote it gets little more attention.
Quick thing about the son, Mariko would not be doing any "mothering" the son is at an age where he would be shadowing an older samurai...(much like the young dude that follows Yabushige around) so he would not be around his mom during this time
Well said. Plus Mariko was “away” for several months. Before she left, it seemed like Mariko and her son had a good bond.
Fair point!
51:18 thank you. You’re one of a handful of reactors who get it. And your water vs sprite analogy was one of the best and easiest to understand explanation of how subverting expectations may be jarring at first but does not necessarily make it a bad thing in the end that I have heard in reaction/review so far. 🙇🙇♀️🙇♂️
Barrett is on point with that. As a GOT super fan I love the last season and I think the reason a lot of fans didn't is because they let their speculations become expectations. And that can ruin a story for you.
@@seanjames9073 I only recently discovered this channel; because I am not really a huge tv guy but bought Disney+ monthly for this show ONLY. In earlier episodes, I was one of those guys commenting on how much they missed certain points that was so obvious to me (as an Asian, and if that sounds condescending it was not my intent). But when Barrett said that, I’m like, “finally, a westerner who tries to soak it in rather than judge the show and the culture it was trying to present through western standards.”
So I felt that I had to point this out and show my appreciation and respect when I criticized both of them in some of the previous episode break downs they had for this show.
“I do not control the wind, I only study it”
Toronaga is not omniscient or faultless, he did not know for a fact his plan would work, he hoped it would based on his knowledge of human nature and motivation.
Feel like you guys missed a lot of subtleties that’s causing your complaints and nitpicks! Could definitely use a rewatch so you better understand what went on in this finale.
He knew he didn’t have the numbers to beat Ishidos army with the heir. So he had to maneuver an alliance change with the heir’s mother. He knew Mariko had a history with Ochiba and would better break down her walls than he ever could. She did what his army could not!
Mariko's son was in episode 2. And 3. And 9.
We know.
I really loved the show and think James Clavell would be proud. Did you know Clavell was a japanese POW for years during WW2 and was such a strong person he found the beauty in the culture of his captors and spent the rest of his life telling their stories, that never ceases to amaze me. Only thing the show got wrong for me was Mariko was supposed to win over the christian lords to Toranagas side like in the book and real life (christians switched to his side last minute in real life iirc) and not Lady Ochiba. That would have been way more logical and clean but oh well. I really enjoyed your guys commentary every week and plan on making this my go to podcast when house of dragon season 2 drops. You guys are hilarious i laughed out loud so many damn times the past few weeks i appreciate it 😂
You make what you preach. This show itself have its own eight-fold fence, and I’d argue that that’s the beauty of it, because we are watching ‘dreams’ that link to our reality in a high degree of associations rather than a show explained everything clearly so we just need to accept it as face value. Even Toranaga at the end might not be totally truthful to Yabu. Saying him keeping Blackthorne is for laughs might be just another throwaway lie. He at the very beginning might already know he needs Blackthorne to stay, and I’d argue that he even orchestrate the affair between Mariko and Blackthorne in order to make sure Blackthorne will not leave - thus the gifts, thus the willow world times, thus having Mariko to be close to Blackthorne… all these are done probably because he can read them right away and knows how to move his steps to secure his strength…
But it doesn’t matter whether that’s the truth, because the point is ambiguity is reality, that’s why there’s no concrete revelation of what these characters are actually thinking - the third heart among them…
The poem definitely is the key. The last line is ‘but thankfully the wind’, and in the last scene toranaga says he doesn’t control the wind but he studies it. Ochiba sent him that secret message inside the poem. But= surprise outcome. Thankfully= I’m pissed off about mariko and want revenge. The wind= toranaga and his ways. The falling flower is mariko. Toranaga knows exactly who wrote what part of the poem and says it indirectly. He’s also really excited when he reads it, an indication it’s very good news. If the poem were intercepted no one including ishido would understand. Having that info now, toranaga can predict a huge event happening and how it should play out if he’s correct iin deciphering that beauty of a poem.
So one thing you may be missing is that blackthorn is not the main character, toranaga is. Just like in sicario Emily blunt isn’t the main character, Alejandro is! It’s just told from their perspective. Also the reason they don’t have big battles is because the entire point of Toranaga being an absolute genius is that he literally won WITHOUT a big battle. Why would they have a battle scene? Toranaga just recognized you have to kill 3-5 people to save literally thousands. Which he succeeded in doing. ALSO… when Toranaga says he doesn’t control the wind he just studies it, he’s telling yabushige that it may look like he’s predicting the future but he just simply understood exactly how people will behave and that’s like.. the whole point of Toranaga being the ultimate mastermind. He knew exactly how to read people and he played his hand literally perfectly
Best finale I’ve ever seen. Best show I’ve seen in years. I can’t wait to rewatch
Having a hard time thinking of a recent season of TV more ripe for re-watching
‘A Dream of a Dream’ is from the quote in the book, originally as ‘a dream within a dream’. It’s Toranaga giving his internal monologue about what he’d do for the great prize as Shogun after the battle (in the book, not in the show - Ishido is defeated and dies very old by buried in the ground with his head pops out). The ‘dream within a dream’ is to have Osaka Castle eliminated and Toranaga himself becomes Shogun, moving his power to Edo… the fall of Osaka Castle is the ‘dream within a dream’…
I think in this episode, however, ‘a dream of a dream’ is not directly about that. It really speaks about Blackthorne’s final acceptance as being a Japanese then he got back his ship finally - that’s the ‘dream of a dream’… though it also using dream device in filmmaking to specify ‘dreams’ as something both surreal but tangible…
I also guessed early that the air was Toronags son! 😂
im glad you catch that the "flash forward" was just a dream, if you like the yabushige, his awesome in Ichi The Killer
Euron Greyjoy built a fleet of ships with no tress on the iron islands. So there is possibility for Blackthorn-Sama to build a fleet in 22 mins left in show.
You guys have talked about every show iv loved in the last two years, on fire! Have you done Arcane yet? Would like to see you two run through that. Episodes that feel like movies!
Haven't seen it! Will look into it.
30:22 lol it's the eightfold paper😆
Most people only took face-value on Toranaga’s final words on Blackthorne as if he treated the Anjin as a pet. But I don’t think what he says is exactly what he means, and to be honest, ‘he makes me laugh’ doesn’t mean he’s not treating him as nothing…
Reason is we need to see back what is Toranaga’s actions towards Blackthorne in some crucial moments. As a matter of fact, they don’t actually have a lot of interactions throughout the series. Most of the time Blackthorne is constantly with Mariko, but as I said before, this whole affair can be orchestrated by Toranaga to keep Blackthorne by his side. Toranaga knows that Blackthorne has his own agenda and he doesn’t care. Keeping Blackthorne around is his plan, not until the big earthquake that forces him to change his strategy. That moment, Toranaga probably has mixed feelings: Blackthorne is no longer useful in his plan, but the very moment when Blackthorne saves him, he also sees this person as someone who should be treasured, someone who speaks to him…
Thus I still put my foot down that episode 7 is as strong as the rest of the other episodes, because if you see how Toranaga, Mariko and Blackthorne interact, they’re not directly showing their relationship, but through what they do can give us hints on how they think about each other, as well as how sensitive these three people are. Blackthorne is not a clueless person. He has already sensed that his gifts and titles seems to be meaningless, and he wants to understand his role in this Crimson Sky mission. Fact is, there is no role for Blackthorne in Crimson Sky. Thus, Toranaga says he won’t discuss Crimson Sky with him. If it’s not because Blackthorne develops this relationship with Mariko, he probably won’t react as how he reacts, that is to not make a scene and says, ‘Whatever fate may brings’ - I speculate that Blackthorne knows he’s a pawn here. Of course, deep down, he refutes this idea of being used, yet he also finds himself not able to leave because of Mariko. A trance of depression hovers above him on that beach and he starts to treat the ‘absurdity’ as ‘fate’ because he feels that there’s nothing to fight against by that time. The outburst by the end towards Toranaga’s surrender illustrates that Blackthorne is right, people will die for Toranaga’s own success (and he acts out like that is mostly because he wants Mariko to listen)… and Toranaga must have known that Blackthorne speaks the truth…
After Nagakado’s death (which to me is half of what Toranaga’s speculate will happen - yes, he’s a person who doesn’t see his son’s life as the most important thing, as long as he has sons), Toranaga let go of Blackthorne. Superficially, it’s because Blackthorne already shows his disapproval towards Toranaga, so he has a reason to dismiss him. However, if we study the whole plan, Toranaga needs this free spirit to act according to his terms, and he knows that he can’t force him since he is a person who survives by putting his fate in his own hands rather than to accept whatever comes. Thus, Toranaga makes Blackthorne’s status neutral and ambiguous, let him have ‘free-will’ to see if he will act accordingly…
Interestingly, when Blackthorne approaches Toranaga and gives his condolences, Toranaga glares at him. You can interpret how ever it means, but the fact that Blackthorne makes Toranaga feels things in a way that is different from others probably is the reason why he still keeps him around…
So, when Toranaga says ‘he makes me laugh’, he probably means that Blackthorne is a ‘fool’, and a ‘fool’ is always the wisest because he speaks what he sees, and that connects Toranaga to something which he will never express to us what that is. As Blackthorne resurrects and finally understands the meaning of ‘we live and we die’, Toranaga saves him and gives him a purpose to live on. This is how Toranaga shows Blackthorne that he considers him as a friend. Yes, it’s a test, but Toranaga knows that Blackthorne will pass it, because he knows that Blackthorne has transcended to ‘loyalty’ through honesty, and that is something Toranaga deeply considers…
To quote Mariko, Toranaga is our liege Lord that we must follow whether good or bad
Are you guys moving back to Monday/Tuesday for the Main Pod??
When "House of the Dragon" season 2 starts up, absolutely. Between now and then we'll be bouncing around a bit.
Edo period lasted for nearly 260 years, so yes, that’s the dream…
That's awesome. Apparently there are more books by this author about Japan. So more like this is still possible. Maybe this new Shogun could spawn a whole new dreamlike genre of movies with less epic battles. Sorta like American Westerns or even the Kurosawa style that gets copied.
I definitely got jebaited because I thought after what happened to Mariko, then we'd see Buntero unleashed in battle.
Show creators confirm being back in England was a dream, not the future. Also, Jarvis has brown eye and the dream John had bright blue eye, making more the unreliable narrative.
The deal to save Blackthorne with the church was fuzzy. Could be the deal was sinking the Erasmus. But if the ship can be pulled out of the shallow depths it doesn't make sense. IMO, Toranaga allowed them to build a church in Edo, but the teahouse & ladies of the Willow World wouldn't be their next door neighbors.
I was also fuzzy on what happened to Ishido's hired ninjas after the door exploded killing Mariko? Why did they abort the mission unless it was only to take Mariko alive and nothing else.
only mariko could have saved anjins life bc alvido saved her life. it would've been really nice if they ended the show w that conversation to really show how much she loved anjin.
The problem is, the battle of Sekigahara would somewhat negate the fact that Mariko's sacrifice was the entire key. The real battle was won by who made the least mistakes in a battle where both sides made several. The real life Toronaga was not like the character in the show in terms of cleverness. Of interest, the book ends with a note that Ichido was captured after the battle, buried up to his head in the ground, and passers by were allowed to use a bamboo saw on his neck. He lived for 3 days like this until finally dying.
Mr. T is grooming his Hamato to defend Izu with his life. And if it took 4 or 5 heads of those who prolly had it coming any way, so be it.
My favorite element is that Mr. T had his life twice saved by the Anjin and then found a couple ways to return the favor.
No doubt Yabu's years of inept treachery made Mr. T laugh too. Still, Mr. T does not like show his entire heart. Meaning, secretly, he admires Blackthorne. But this time, the whole village knows Yabu betrayed Mariko. He had to die.
What Toranaga knew was ... Mariko and Ochiba were true ride or die. And the other lords would follow her lead becuz Ishido's stupidity is so transparent. Historic leaders study the winds and know their enemies inside and out.
In that final scene, it felt like Blackthorne began to understand Mr. T's larger plan. I like to think Toranaga also sent Butaro to help pull up the ship. Which the Anjin may now suspect as well.
Baby Reindeer is BANANAS! Definitely start off doing it week by week. (Or 2 or 3 eps a week ) And I bet you won't stop.
Maaannn listen…Lord Toranaga played us as the audience so well..we’re here routing for him only to find out in that scene with Big Yabu that he’s really a badguy…maybe even a borderline sociopath. What a great show!!! #teambigyabs 😅😅
Need y'all to do a Fallout recap, break it into couple episode chunks, but far exceeded expectations, and this is coming from someone who had zero experience with the games / IP
Chad needs to listen this episode LOL
😂😂😂
One thing I want to add about Mariko’s son. My understanding is that he was in Osaka the whole time. That is why you don’t see him with Mariko in the episodes that took place in the fishing village and Edo. I don’t think the show was trying to say Mariko wasn’t close with her son but rather they were highlighting a distinct period of time when these events happened. His rejection of her in Episode 9 hurt her and was part of Ishito’s scheme for control.
if jb ended up as some important person in toranaga's political game, that would've been writing from a white-saviour perspective. jb was just some random englishman washing up on their shore. didn't even have to be this one specific englishman to influence the outcome of the war. whether he was there or not, toranaga would've won. so yeah, in the grand scheme of thing, jb mattered very little to toranaga and the big political machination.
Listening to you guys is kinda frustrating here. He didn’t know it would work. It’s Hail Marys based on his understanding of the totality of circumstances. He has literally no other plan or idea that prevents his death. It’s either this or just. That smirk of relief is just that. Relief. Thank god Marikos sacrifice paid off.
I don't get why you made such a big deal about "how could Toranaga be certain his plan would work?".
I think the show made it pretty clear he wasn't certain. He was in a precarious situation, gambled on his literal last resort plan, and won. There was no certainty, because that's not how plans work, they are almost never certain. You play the odds. Even the remainder of his plan is just his prediction. We can guess it works from the books or history but as far as the show is concerned it just what Toranaga thinks will happen.
Remember he doesn't control the wind, he only studies it.
Thought we did a good job of reiterating that he saw the people he dispatched as hawks and touching on that whole analogy!
Don't u mean those were his contact lenses....
A very tastefully done, well-acted show. That said, I'm not sure we were shown enough to have the devastating impacts I think they were hoping for.
As a first-generation Asian person, I know first hand the whole, "Unspoken, Asian, internal emotional depth thing", so save me the lecture from the weebs, but this art, and I expect to have something expressed to me through the writing or acting if I' to be swayed. Speaking specifically of the love between Blackthorn and Mariko. One 15-minute scene that was quite nice, that leads to a night of love-making, then next episode immediately shut down by the return of Buntaro and the threat of war due to Nogakado. Subsequently chilly vibes for the next four episodes. How am I supposed to know that Mariko is still secretly deeply in love with Blackthorne and that it wasn't a curiosity driven, one-night romp? But they treat it as though there's been like seasons of buildup between the two. Honestly I feel Fuji and Blackthorne have more chemistry and am slightly sadder about Fuji leaving to the covenant than I am about Mariko dying.
I also fail to believe that in the original story, Blackthorne was as irrelevant as they're making him out to be on this series. Toranaga says in the last episode that he kept Blackthorne around because he makes him laugh, I feel like that was symbolic of the whole series.
Loved the show but holy shit there wasn't nearly enough payoff for 10 damn episodes of so planning, posturing, and scheming.
im so fucking pissed about the last episode that shit sucked
That’s because entire show (and the novel it was based on) was one giant setup to place Toranaga in a position to win the final battle.
The broad strokes of the scenario for the final battle were revealed, but the details of the final battle plan (along with the final politics to fully turn all the lords who now have a soured opinion of Ishido) and how the battle actually ensued are still hidden.
So who is ready for a “new/separate” mini-series or feature film titled “Sekigahara”?
Apparently the book also ended with no big battle but instead Toranaga explaining everything he was thinking to the reader. At least in this show, as the clam jam point out, Yabu is there to make it more fun.
Love your takes! I needed this last ep explained to me, good to know we are all on the same page. Ep 1-9 were almost flawless. I didn’t need a big battle scene, and I got what they tried to do with the ending. They just didn’t nail it. To many honourable characters sacrificed for this ending to be satisfying. I think if Toranga had expressed that he felt the gravity of what he sacrificed but to serve his goal it would have been great. But he seemed to explain the Anjin, Marico and Hiromatsu as just chess pieces. If they wanted to do that then they need to reveal him at the end to be more sinister
Using his best friends and advisors as pawns, brutalising his own people for a crime he knows they didn't commit, sticking heads on spikes, gaslighting Anjin, and giving his bond villain monologue about how all his plans have come to fruition and now he can seize ultimate power......
None of that was "sinister" enough for you?
Yeah he was pretty damn sinister hahaha
I gotta say... Big Yabs was one of my least favorite characters this season. He provided nothing more that annoyance for me with his ever-failing schemes. It's like is Varys or LIttlefinger were just incompetent doofuses in the early seasons. No, they had plans that actually worked. Yab's just trying to betray Torinaga and every time just being like "yeah damn that's my bad bro won't happen again" without facing any consequences was a little silly.
Boo! Boo this man!
@@OystersClamsCockles 🤣🤣🤣
This was the worst finale i've ever seen.
Is this the first show you've ever watched?
@OystersClamsCockles Clearly they didn't watch True Detective S4.
@@OystersClamsCockles I watch your show too... lol
Two good episodes out of 10 and the finale was the worst of ‘em all. Compared to book? Through disappointment