House of the Dragon Season 2 Finale Recap & Review
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- Ross Bolen and Barrett Dudley digest season 2, episode 8 of HBO’s House of the Dragon -- "The Queen Who Ever Was." Tune in later this week on / oystersclamscockles for further discussion fueled by hotline calls from listeners!
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Regardless of the finale, it’s been a great two months watching with the Clam Fam
We have fun
Am I the only one who thought Alicent's plan was incredibly undercooked? "Come when Aemond is gone, the guards will stand down and that's it." Like HUH? What will you think my guy Aemond will do with his Airbus of a dragon? Stand down? This is not a game of musical chairs Alicent.
Alicent whole scene was a bad plan and frustrating to watch. It was a poor scene in my opinion. Felt like a fanfic scene. Didn't help we also had the triarchy scene which didn't fit with the show and took my away from my suspense of disbelief.
I've defended this season but this episode was really bad...
But if rhaenyra takes kings landing she’ll have his stronghold and all the defense capabilities. Along with 6 dragons patrolling the area. Aemond can’t pull up with one dragon (at the most two and ones small) and face all those scorpions and all of rhaenyras dragons. Aemond would be alone at harrenhall with all the armies yes, but couldn’t risk attacking kings landing at that point
The GOT tie-ins would be so dope if Dany or Jon ended up on the iron throne. It just doesn’t hit when you know Bran becomes king 😂
I'm choosing to not acknowledge Bran ever exists
For me it's not even that, it's Arya who jumps in out of no where and kills the Night King, not even Jon or Dany who have been teased as the prince or princess that was promised in the books too
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Knowing there would be a 2 year gap between the finale and next season, this episode needed so much more
I don't think I've ever watched a show that ended their season with zero climax.
Maybe the wooden throne is a wheelchair!
Exactly my thoughts.
Even the showrunners knew this episode was going to be kinda lackluster. Odd choice to edit Episode 7’s “Next week on HotD” with the last minutes of the Finale.
Edit: 5:45 Glad you touched on the trailer, love when you two mention exactly what I was thinking.
Yeah the trailer was a bit misleading and felt like an example of them prioritizing pulling in numbers for the finale over storytelling experience. It happens.
To defend Ryan a little bit, the showrunners wanted 10 episodes. I can guarantee you their original script would have capped this off perfectly.
HBO cut them off at 8, something which us die-hard, book thumpers are giving them hell for. My guess is that HBO could not afford Ryan's vision and Ryan made sure to make the crazy people know this. It's safe to assume HBO is aware of their mistakes now lol.
@@jessjess23brooks89 Freaking suits always ruining everything
I'm sorry yall. The finale didn't do it for me. I agree the finale should set you up for the next season, but I wish they would've given us more excitement. They should've ended with a death, a kidnapping, a battle, something! Even something like the scene where Criston gets knocked out during that battle where Aegon gets hurt... ending right as he gets knocked out would've been good. Like, something more action-packed!
Totally fair. Could've used some extra punch for sure.
I mildly enjoyed this finale. I like all of the chess pieces being moved but definitely wanted a bit more action. But I will never turn my back on this show. Going to miss my Targaryen family for two years 😢
The thing that you thought was a guy in a Baratheon helm was actually a Green Man from the Isle of Faces, the island in the God’s Eye. The Order of the Green Hand protects the Gods’ Wood on the island. It’s in the books. Howlan Reed meets them at the tourney of Harrenhall
Here to say this thank god
I rather wait than rush everything. The next battle to happen was written as the most epic and most disastrous battle in the sea.
Hope it works out that way. Just seems like if season two is any indication, the battle either wont happen or it will happen off camera
yeah. As I've learned, they're having difficulties with season 2 production due to the 'Writer Strike' or something like that.
@@gibboa Battle of the Gullet is one of the largest battles, it won't be off camera. They didn't have the budget to do it in season two or else it would have been episode 9 and 10.
For those still wondering about how long 🐉 will run, in a press conference Monday, Ryan Condal announced that the series will come to an end with Season 4.
I really hated the pirate stuff as well Barrett, especially the mud wrestling.
The mud wrestling was... unfortunate lol
I agree
Again, HotD fails to hold a candle to GoT s1-4 quality. GoT was very slow at times because it had so many story lines simmering at once. This show has way, way fewer storylines, yet manages to feel like a chore to watch most of the time. I genuinely enjoyed 1-2 episodes out of 8 we got. With the way they ended this season, they can't possibly wait 2 years to deliver season 3. The pressure is on them now to make this next season come out next year, and make it come out good.
The source material for those 4 season is still far better than source material for HOTD
Really feels like this episode wasn’t originally meant the be the finale, but then the season was cut from 10 to 8. It was fine and I have no major gripes but I can’t shake the feeling that this was the eighth episode of a ten episode series
Episode 9 - battle in the riverlands, Aemond and Daemon die at each others hands, Rhaenyra takes KL
Episode 10 - classic GOT finale that ties up a couple storylines and leaves plenty hanging off the cliff for season 3.
Thinking about this episode in that context makes it feel like it fits better, for me at least. Maybe that makes no sense to anyone else, idk
This season just did not move the story along enough. Some good some bad but overall a big let down for those of us who won’t glaze the show no matter what
I know Lohar from the actors Philosophy Tube channel and couldn't separate the two. Like Barrett, it was too much of a left turn. Also, I kept comparing Lohar to Brienne of Tarth and that wasn't fair either. Otherwise, I don't need battles and blood. Cuz I'm so invested with each of the characters. I say, keep em talkin'. I'll watch it all.
That's who that was?? I thought she looked familiar. Fucking yikes, get this commie out of here, HBO.
27:17 Barrett breaking the 4th wall like Deadpool 😂
BOOM Olympics!
❤ So going to miss you guys😢
They just cannot figure out pirates in this show at all
Worst season finale is an unhinged take. To me this episode was fine. Not great, not awful. Just fine. Mostly I’m just kinda disappointed I have to wait two years for the real action.
I think this is where all emotionally stable viewers are at
Love all the episodes you guys made this season, much love :)
We really appreciate it!
Love your show, but no way they let Matt Smith go that early.
Can’t wait to watch the upcoming shows with you guys but I will miss watching GoT content with you guys that always hits different! Can’t wait for the Hedge Knight though that will be fun!
Very stoked to have A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms next year so we don't have to wait so long
Anyone else shocked by Helena and Aemond’s convo? Like wtf?
And wasn’t it just a week ago Tully basically told Daemon they r only following him b/c of Rhaenyra? A week later no one bends the knee? Very odd
Been waiting for this all day
I have to correct you on the Star Wars Acolyte stuff. Darth Plagueis did not birth Palpatine, he merely trained him in the Sith arts. The Sith lineage is very tight as there can only
be two at a time, so including Plagueis in a show about Sith was to be expected, not some stretch to connect the series to the main story.
Yes, I'm quite ignorant on all that. It was just a recent example of the mandatory Franchise IP connectivity.
I’m probably in the minority, but I really liked the episode; had to eat my words with the Daemon storyline. I was frustrated and bored with it early on, but understand how it needed to happen. Also, that boy Jace out here acting grown!!
I think people want drama every episode, But the story line set up is helping. I also loved this season, The big battle and episode seven was phenomenal.
@@BombasticLove87yes!!
I enjoyed it too and even got a little emotional at the ending.
@@brookestrother7504I got a little emotional with the Harrenhall reunion
“He has no hand!” Ah, yes, another Lannister without a hand.
Won’t spoil anything, but as someone who read the books, they will definitely need at least two more seasons five would be preferable, but they can probably do it in four
It wasn't the Night King in the vision, it was a generic White Walker. The Night King has no hair while the White Walkers do.
Also my take on Heleana's vision was that Aegon's wooden throne would be a wheelchair.
Finally, I think the being on the tree was supposed to be a nod to the Green Men, rumored tenders of the weirwood trees and protectors of the Children of the Forest. I don't think it was relevant to the show rather than just a little easter egg to the lore in the Game of Thrones books.
All in all, I'm glad I found this channel, it was great listening to your discussions without all of the book spoilers. Til next season! *Raises Glass*
I believe the man when the Horns is a Child of the Forest
Green men
The reason it takes time for "streaming" shows to get the next season going is because, the way streaming works now is that it's so expensive and the studios will not "greenlight" the next season until the shows proves to be a hit. Remember season 2 didn't get the go ahead until halfway through season 1
How can Alicent offer up Aegon as sacrifice in King’s Landing, when Aegon is actively escaping King’s Landing in secret? Oh nvm yall caught that too.
Yeah that's a major problem for Alicent, and potentially Rhaenyra too.
Re: Ross bringing up Alys telling Daemon he would die there
That's a scene I've thought back on a lot this season and I now think she was speaking metaphorically. I think the psychological torture he went through and the final vision he had in the last episode ultimately was the death of his old self and old ways. I think he is effectively a new person now after having seen the future and accepting he is just a piece on the board with a role to play and that the magic/supernatural things in this world are real and not to be taken lightly.
This is how I took her “premonition” too. Like his ego would die there, he would never be the same after seeing the vision from the tree. She said he wasn’t ready before.
The old Daemon is dead, I like it
That wasn’t Robert B’s helm. That was a green man from the Isle of faces.
Episode was whatever for me. From the beginning this episode felt messy. The pirate introduction in the finale was strange. Rheana running around the vale. Corlys and his son scene felt forced.
favorite part of each week is the pod. Thanks guys!
I liked the season but it lacked direction/pacing. They need to give Miguel Sapochnik the bag 💰 💰 and get him back for season 3. We missed him this season. The acting was top notch for what they had to work with.
I also think that they didn’t have enough budget and the season would have been much more complete with 2 more episodes.
Really enjoyed most the season just felt like for the most part it was a 8-9 hour trailer for season 3z
Wooden Throne = Wheel Chair
Ohhhh nice call
The next Sheepstealer scene:
Rhaena Targaryen approached Sheepstealer, determined to finally claim a dragon of her own, but just at the moment she reached out to Sheepstealer, Nettles crested a hill and saw this stranger approaching the dragon she'd worked so hard to tame and finally claim herself. Feeling threatened this silver haired rival may somehow commandeer the bond that Nettles had worked so hard to secure, almost instinctively Nettles shouted "Dracarys!!!", and Rhaena was no more.
Great season. I appreciate a nice slow burn.
Burn it slow baby
Boy you are so off about the little man with the horn… lmao
😂😂😂
It was a good guess though! Tell me that doesn't look like a Baratheon helm.
So much great lore packed into this episode. Some may forget the season finales of the first several scenes of GoT were setup to the next season.
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Correct, but we also had an episode 9 where major plot happened. That did not happen in either penultimate episode on HOTD.
Look, there was a lot of great stuff in this episode, but it needed a real BANG to send off the season.
I guess it was more of what craziness came out of the end conversation- Alicent giving the ok for Aegon to die is nuts
@@ryanturner4716 that didn’t land for me. I don’t like Alicent or her son. It’s a big sacrifice, but like who cares if he dies. He STINKS and so does Alicent
@@Donny-24total agreement on this!
I started watching slow horses cuz of y’all recommendation 🎉❤ it’s so good
Great show!
@@OystersClamsCockles Yeah I started it as well because you guys gave it a nod and am also really enjoying it.
The complainers are like the triarchy heedless contrarians, ever resurgent😅 same people who complained s7-8 were rushed. I have a feeling that Rhaenyra’s kids might be in trouble, they are heading to Pentos in the middle of the naval battle
Fire take about the kiddos
Didn’t even think about that 👀
How personally I don’t think the coryliss deserves either one of his sons acknowledgment at this point, because he still has not acknowledged Alan or Adam as his sons in any significant way, and he did not even remotely step up to try to acknowledge them until all of his other family was dead so what are we supposed to take from that you know I totally get why his sons are like F you I’m gonna do you when I need to do because I don’t trust you to have my back and I don’t blame them because so far as I can tell he is not taking his wife’s advice and raise them up. He has just maybe pulled them a little closer, but not close enough to be acknowledge. Do you know what I’m saying?
There is no way theyd kill off matt Smith in early s3. Daemon will be around if not for the last episode, at least 2-3 episodes before the ending.
Non-book reader theory: What if Aegon being king again is about a different Aegon?
I don’t get it. I just don’t get it. Still a heck of a show but how do they end it on nothing but a bunch of chess pieces moving around the board?
There is also ageoan the younger, who is also sitting on a wooden crate on a boat, trying to escape to pentose, who is gonna end up back on dragon stone, and does end up on the throne, but terrified of dragons after some unfortunate things that he sees. So we do not always know that it is going to to be aegon the first or aegon the younger or any of the other people named agon.
Did you guys do the wire ?
No but we plan to one day
I think there could have been some cutting of scenes and a least little pay off when it comes to Rhaena. We have been seeing her running around for the vale dragon.... At least put her on it!
Loved the pod. Can’t wait for season 3!!
Thanks for riding with us! Stick around
Been watching for a long time gentleman, coming from someone with no self control that has spoiled the entire of the series for myself, its nice to see you guys trying to piece it together with just the info from the show. Most of the other breakdowns come from people who have already read the books, so all of their takes are inherently a little biased. Props to you guys for staying strong and giving us raw takes.
It is SO tempting to just go and read the history.
We appreciate it. It's not easy staying pure.
I don’t like that they have the same actor playing Jason/Tyland Lannister. He’s fine, but I don’t think he’s good enough to be pulling double duty
Ryan said there will be 4 seasons. Variety dropped a new post season 2 interview with him yesterday. He also said that the two episodes that were supposed to be part of season 2 will be part of season 3. The Battle of the Gullet will be part of season 3.
37:40 Barrett trying to not DMCA’d by Lonely Island 😆
This season had some truly excellent moments but the whole thing felt a lot like The Hobbit: The Desolation Of Smaug. Now to be clear I think “Smaug” is a good movie. But it’s all set up and with both that movie and this season it felt like the ending was purposely dragged out for a massive battle in the next movie/ next season.
And yeah I think the wooden throne is a wheel chair for him. That’s a lost use by the time Bran gets a wooden wheelchair but common in Targaryen history. So that makes sense.
1. I thought that first scene with tyland was a rerun of aladdin. Lol
2. I think fans dont understand yet that dragons coming into these wars is like introducing nuclear weapons, and it isnt going to last that long.
3. The line "winter is coming" from daemon, sheesh goosebumps there.
4. Y'alls takes were really good and i thank you for the show!
I really enjoyed the season and finale. My problem is when I think about the fact that I have to wait another two years for probably another 8 episodes. They need to be giving us more after 2 years we should have more than 8 episodes.
Also, alicent getting caught on a boat back to KL could ruin their plans …. But there’s also the fact that Aegon is gone
Honestly if they would have ended this season with a shot of all the dragon riders flying out to kings landing (6 dragons V formation going to fuck shit up, errybody suited up in armor) I feel like people wouldn’t be as disappointed with the finale. Would have been wayy better than the final shot of Alicent just looking at the sunset 😭
What was the climax of this season? I didnt see one...
Maelys dying but you don't feel it in the following episodes, falls flat at the end of it
Theyve clearly deviated a bit from the book with some of the decisions they made, and that was clear from this episode. Which im fine with... but i dont like how Condal is trying to act like theyre faithfully following the book like he acts in the behind the episode 😅
The whole time watching this episode I was thinking "This can't be in the book" and turned out its not. I didn't like the changes from what I read. I think it damages the characters more then improved. I'm just not happy with the direction the show taking the characters this season.
@lukeluke333lukeluke the one that really got me was the final scene with the meeting between Rhaenyra and Alicent. It just makes no sense knowing how the rest of the story plays out lol. Some things are definitely left to interpretation from the book but that scene really makes me question where they're taking this in season 3...
Great show. Keep up the good work!😊
I loved the final episode. There is so much crap tv out there nowadays that it's so nice to watch an actually good show. Haters can stay hating
Julie yes
The Season Finale that Never Was! Talk about leaving you with "blue balls". It was a good stand alone episode, but a lackluster season finale! Seriously. They could've thrown us a bone and gave us some kind of action in this episode. At the very least showing Aemon burning the city instead of him just mulling over what he done. Season 1 they ended going to war, and now a repeat of the same thing for the ending of season 2?Get to it already! Really Disappointed. Plus it was edited funny.
It's one of the Green Men. The "antlers" have nothing to do with the Baratheons. The order of The Green Men live on the Isle of Faces, just across from Harrenhal. They were created to protect the last Weirwood trees from being felled by the First Men.
Lohar is the worst thing about this season
Also, Barrett looks like my college roomate circa '91.
hahaha
Ehhh a reason to finish s3 of the bear! Solid choice gents!
Looking forward to it!
I think If they could of ended it right when the SeaSnake and the Triads clashing in the Narrow sea would of been a cool ending. They didn't even have to give us the whole battle just the start.
I loved the Esso scenes it gave me GOT nostalgia.
Pretty sure halaena wasn’t directly involved with Damon’s trip. Thought of it more as a connection she has to the timeline of events. And is Aemonds sort of supernatural liaison as Alys is to daemon
I’m gonna have to watch the other shows you guys will be discussing just to keep up with this great podcast.
Looking forward to Penguin 🐧 and Dune .
Hit "The Bear" season 3 with us next. You seen the first two seasons?
@@OystersClamsCockles not yet , I’m going to now to catch up. The OCC is fun and entertaining.
I really liked the episode; minus Rhaena, running around in the Vale.
I hope next season opens with Sheepstealer burning her up lmao
She needs her own spin-off, "Everyone Hates Rhaena" because I've literally found zero people who dig her character 😂
I hope the Star Wars fandom doesn’t hear you saying Plaugeis gave birth to Palpatine 🤣🤣
Hahaha too late
While I don't think this episode was even close to the worst episodes of original Game of Thrones as people are saying I will say that this season is very flawed in terms of execution. It seems that so much effort has been put into making Rhaenyra and Alicent morally acceptable characters that it has stripped both of them of their edge and complexity. The show frames Rhaenyra's council as patriarchal jackasses when they actually have a fair point about her indecisiveness and hand-wringing this whole season. The men on her council had the opportunity to join Aegon and were actually incentivized to do so but still chose Rhaenyra, knowing that they would be seen as traitors and most likely executed. It is perfectly reasonable that they would be upset that nothing is being done to keep their heads from the block.
I also think that the continuous tie-ins to the original Game of Thrones with the Ice and Fire prophecy has been a colossal misstep and further taints this season. Why would you want to tie your show that had so much goodwill from season one into a story that is almost universally reviled at this point?
It was a greenman they live around the gods eye and are remnants of a pact made between children of the forest and the first men.
Aegon- the Realm’s Eunuch
Book reader here. Love the pod. Love everything about HOTD including this episode. Balm for the soul after what Dumb and Dumber did to GOT. Haters are just static to me.
Yes, The Bear 🐻
Why was Alyss crying when she was sitting by Daemon’s bed
Couldn't even end the season with the Blacks getting a major win.
Mid season should have been episode 4. Finale should have been the Blacks winning a major battle or killing someone major
Someone will recut this with season 3 to give the season we should have had now
Will y’all address next episodes if y’all have plans to read the book that sits behind Barrett 😂 whether after the show or if the wait becomes too long. I recommend the full book, and I think it could be good filler content in the off-season to do chapter reviews starting at the beginning of aegons conquest or the parts of the dance that have been shown so far. Both would be spoiler free as the major events remain mostly linear to this point.
loved this episode cant wait for season 3
Up to this episode. I thought the season was an 8 out of 10 but I think the finale dropped the ball pretty hard. Not only was Deamon payoff disappointing but I think they kinda ruined his character. He’s a believer of destiny and again for me, ruins and makes him less interesting.
Didn’t like Aemond scenes. Comes off weak and none threatening.
Really didn’t like the scene with the two queens. Felt off from a story standpoint point and the acting. Felt fanfic for some reason.
I don’t know. The whole time I kept saying to myself “no way this is in the book” and from what I’ve read. It wasn’t. There a few good scenes but I’m obviously disappointed. Probably give the episode a 4 and give the season a 6 or 7. Depending if they are able to pay off things in the next season.
Typically super positive about shows…I’m one of the people who still loved the final 3 seasons of GOT. But idk about this season…very few memorable moments. A couple episodes I had to rewatch because I fell asleep while watching. That was never an issue with GOT, so I get people complaining about the season as a whole, but I thought episode 8 was great. I do wish that this was episode 6 or 7 though. Just needed a little more.
I loved this episode and this whole season. It felt so much like early GoT to me which I also loved and missed desperately when the shit show of the last few seasons was happening.
My fears with what happens to Rhanera is that in the first season of GoT she is mentioned by Joffrey and her fate is revealed and it is not a good one. I won't say what happens here but if you want to know it is very easily looked up or rewatched and I am very curious and nervous about exactly how that plays out.
The only thing worth watching after ep 4 was the dragon tryouts. 5 hours of bore. We got Daemon tripping balls for 4 weeks just to be a good little boy going back to his wife/niece/queen.
Darth plagueis gave birth to palpatine😂. He’s actually just palpatines master who teaches him everything but it would be cool if plagueis was also his mother
Comparing GoT to HOTD in terms of pacing is not an apt comparison imo. Sure, setups were long in early GoT, but they encompassed so many different worlds and were actually interesting conversations where we (a) knew all the characters unlike HOTD, and (b) progressed the plot. It would not be the same if GoT was just setting up one battle for 2 seasons. And even with HOTD focusing on one conflict, we still somehow barely know anyone on the small council. Sure, in GoT there were a lot of "people in rooms talking", but those rooms could be on The Wall with Jon Snow and Jeor Mormont, Stannis in Dragonstone, Little Finger and Varys in the Red Keep, Tywin and Tyrion in the Hand's quarters. Amazing dialogue, funny, witty, sharp... HOTD comes nowhere close to the level of GoT. I truly think its a false equivalency that a lot of people make that HOTD is so great because we're getting back to "people in rooms talking".
There were many, many times in GoT where it felt like there were an overwhelming amount of side characters we didn’t really know. Insane amount of characters. They developed over time. That’s what people are refusing to allow or acknowledge here.
@OystersClamsCockles Gonna have to agree to disagree here. GoT not only established but also fleshed out so many more characters by the end of S2 than HoTD. They were also so much more engaging and just fun to be around than these characters which effectively makes them more entertaining for the audience. GoT 1-4 should not be compared to HOTD in the slightest degree but to acknowledge they share the same universe.
I haven't seen Season 3 of the Bear yet, but have been wanting to watch it, just haven’t had the time. (HOTD is priority) I also loved the Batman, so am excited for The Penguin. So I'm IN!!!! 🇨🇦 ❤
I thought orwyle was making some kind of medicine right as alicent was walking in. How could he have poured the rum that fast ? Something I noticed
Disappointing finale, IMO.
I’m not outraged about the finale but if the show runners planned better ep 7 would have been the season 2 finally and ep 8 could have started season 3. Imagine the finale ending with the shot of Rheanyra backed up by dragons and Daemon flying away. It would’ve left more fans excited about the start of next season and ended this season on a high note.
I love this take.
She told the new dragon riders they were going to fly in two days time, and the window alicent gave her was 3 days. I think alicents plan doesnt occur
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There wasn't much going on besides Daemon actually declaring finally. It was kinda ehh.