The part when the map of the world was drawn. It was intense and amazingly crafted. It shows clearly how great the threat they were dealing for the first time
One of the big things about the original novel is there is a clear attempt to address the history of Japan truthfully as a backdrop for a story whose reality is heightened. The decisions that the production crew have made so far, each time, has honored that intention. They are getting the things Clavell got wrong, and they are fixing them without rewriting the story whole-sale. There is clearly a degree of mutual respect. It is clear that, however imperfect, Clavell had a respect for the history he embedded his story in. And now, it is clear that a whole host of exceptional professionals are respecting that story while sticking presenting the history in a more robust and accurate way. It is exactly how adaptation should be done. Every time I have heard an interview for this show, it is clear that the people involved care deeply about two aspects: Japan - its culture, history, and people; and the story presented in Shogun which is heavily modeled on those things. And it is refreshing to hear and see. And I am eager to take the journey that so many have worked so hard to bring to fruition.
When Blackthorn has his garden interview with Toranaga. drawing his map, and bringing up how the New World was divided between Spain & Portugal. Also the priest telling him he will die in Japan. Which is kind of meta, as William Adams never did leave Japan and did die there. I was lucky enough to visit his memorial at Anjinzuka
Next time, hope you can visit Hirado Island! His house, now a sweet shop, his statue and other statues beside a footbath, and grave with monuments to Miura Anjin and Mary Hin. The Dutch Trade Mission is also there. There is a replica of his ship, De Leifde, near to Sasebo at Huis Ten Bosch.
Yes he died there but not against his will- he loved Japan and was granted a palace to live in with 80 servants. He knew if he went back to England he would be just another working class man.
The history and tensuons during this period is enthralling and so interesting for a non-japanese like me. I have been a huge sengoku jidai fan, played every game, watched every movie, series, anime, read many books about it. The discipline and the respectful conduct is something i admire a lot, not a big fan of the seppuku and extreme loyalty and the massacre and such. But Europeans really have been a menace, invading everywhere on the earth, their influence has been the biggest in the development of the current world. Even in my country, the english and the portugese invaded and ruled
Thank you so much for letting us into historical details and research preparations behind this already magnificent series! Looking forward to more, both the podcast and the show!
ABSOLUTELY LOVE SHOGUN, how about hiring Hiroyuki Sanada to do a new LONE WOLF AND CUB MOVIE! He's absolutely perfect to play OGAMI ITTO! With his samurai sword skills, it would be one of the best SAMURAI ACTION MOVIES!
I really felt like there is a secret between lady Ociba and Toronoga I believe they were trying to convey that it may be possible that the heirs father was not the Taiko
@@makirisei9923It’s true that he didn’t have any sons but finally produced an heir when he was 60 years old, just before he died. Toranaga’s historical equivalent promised to protect him, as he does in the show, until the boy grew up and rebelled against him- when he was killed by the Toranaga character
Loving the this amazing series. "Shogun" is still one of my favorite novels. The only part that has me concerned is Anna Sawai's portrayal of Lady Toda Mariko, being such a central character throughout the story has so far been somewhat cold. I hope that the character warms up in future episodes, because if the audience does not like her it will hurt the story line.
This story is truly a spectacle. I watched the 1980 edition starring Richard Chamberlain. Then I read James Clavell's book. The Japanese have a lot of culture to teach us. My most sincere congratulations to the entire team who are helping us learn more about this extraordinary nation. Essa história é realmente um espetáculo. Eu assisti em 1980 a edição estrelada por Richard Chamberlain. Depois eu li o livro de James Clavell. Os Japoneses tem muita cultura para nos ensinar. Meus mais sinceros parabéns a toda a equipe que estão nos proporcionando conhecer mais sobre essa nação extraordinária.
I really enjoyed this second episode. Direction, dialogue, acting, etc., everything was spot on. However, at 24:18, you say that everything was dirty on the European side, so be careful not to overdo it and make the opposite mistakes. Okay, Western civilization has its flaws, but it wasn't Mordor for all that. It also had its art and refinements. Apart from that, good series.
I have visited Hemi, near Yokohama to see the monument to Miura Anjin and O-Yuki, Anjin-dori near Mitsukoshimae to see the monument there, Hirado Island to see Miura Anjin's House, now a sweet shop, the Dutch Trade Mission and also his grave with a monument to his English wife - Mary Hin. He had two children, John and Deliverance with Mary, and two with O-Yuki - Joseph and Susanna.
Need help! Was there a post show documentary or anything like that at the end of Episode 2, talking about the silk worm trade? It says so on Wikipedia and I’ve been looking to it everywhere!
There is a story that Miura Anjin was buried in Hirado and not Hemi. It is said that samurai ordered the bones of the buried christians to be dug up and thrown into the sea of Ikitsukishima. It is also said that christians, when it was safe to do so, dived into the sea to collect bones and they were reburied. I think the Japanese exhumed bones in the 1960's ?? to try to positively identify using DNA and asked for people from Gillingham, Kent, England to come forward and give their DNA! I would need to double check my memory and the outcome of testing.
@@nataliev.149 thank you. I was able to find it on Disney+ as advertised. My Disney + settings were off. I remember when the original series was aired in 1980. I was living in Japan then but unable to see the series. Read the book though. Shogun was a worldwide phenomenon at the time then.
For me, a ”nails on a chalkboard” is when I hear Shogun pronounced as show-gun (like a pistol) rather than how it’s said in the show. It’s the little details that make this such a quality film.
When I was in high school, our earth science teacher said it was triaxial ellipsoid. It was even in our perodic exam. According to Neil deGrasse Tyson, the earth is actually almost like a perfect sphere. Mount Everest is about 5.5 miles while the Marianas Trench is about 7 miles, compare that to the earth's radius of about 3960 miles. If you scale this sphere into a billiards ball, it would be the smoothest ball ever made by man. So John Blackthorne is right that the earth is a sphere.
What was your favorite moment?
The scene between Mariko and Fuji! It was so heartbreaking :( but Mariko maneuvered it so well
The moment Blackthorn thinks he's going to die even though with a little faith he prays.
Everything literally can’t wait for episode 3!
The part when the map of the world was drawn. It was intense and amazingly crafted. It shows clearly how great the threat they were dealing for the first time
ur wrong. people should love people who are great.
One of the big things about the original novel is there is a clear attempt to address the history of Japan truthfully as a backdrop for a story whose reality is heightened. The decisions that the production crew have made so far, each time, has honored that intention. They are getting the things Clavell got wrong, and they are fixing them without rewriting the story whole-sale. There is clearly a degree of mutual respect. It is clear that, however imperfect, Clavell had a respect for the history he embedded his story in. And now, it is clear that a whole host of exceptional professionals are respecting that story while sticking presenting the history in a more robust and accurate way. It is exactly how adaptation should be done.
Every time I have heard an interview for this show, it is clear that the people involved care deeply about two aspects: Japan - its culture, history, and people; and the story presented in Shogun which is heavily modeled on those things. And it is refreshing to hear and see. And I am eager to take the journey that so many have worked so hard to bring to fruition.
When Blackthorn has his garden interview with Toranaga. drawing his map, and bringing up how the New World was divided between Spain & Portugal.
Also the priest telling him he will die in Japan. Which is kind of meta, as William Adams never did leave Japan and did die there. I was lucky enough to visit his memorial at Anjinzuka
Next time, hope you can visit Hirado Island! His house, now a sweet shop, his statue and other statues beside a footbath, and grave with monuments to Miura Anjin and Mary Hin. The Dutch Trade Mission is also there. There is a replica of his ship, De Leifde, near to Sasebo at Huis Ten Bosch.
As did my wife and I.
Yes he died there but not against his will- he loved Japan and was granted a palace to live in with 80 servants. He knew if he went back to England he would be just another working class man.
The history and tensuons during this period is enthralling and so interesting for a non-japanese like me.
I have been a huge sengoku jidai fan, played every game, watched every movie, series, anime, read many books about it.
The discipline and the respectful conduct is something i admire a lot, not a big fan of the seppuku and extreme loyalty and the massacre and such.
But Europeans really have been a menace, invading everywhere on the earth, their influence has been the biggest in the development of the current world.
Even in my country, the english and the portugese invaded and ruled
Thank you so much for letting us into historical details and research preparations behind this already magnificent series! Looking forward to more, both the podcast and the show!
ABSOLUTELY LOVE SHOGUN, how about hiring Hiroyuki Sanada to do a new LONE WOLF AND CUB MOVIE! He's absolutely perfect to play OGAMI ITTO! With his samurai sword skills, it would be one of the best SAMURAI ACTION MOVIES!
He is the best it’s awesome he’s now producing also I love the authenticity
I really felt like there is a secret between lady Ociba and Toronoga I believe they were trying to convey that it may be possible that the heirs father was not the Taiko
Good eye! This is brought up in the book so the show will probably go over it to
In actual history, Hideyori is in fact the actual son of Toyotomi Hideyoshi and Yodo-dono
There is a hypothesis that the Taiko (the historical Toyotomi Hideyoshi) was infertile. He had many concubines but sired just a few children.
@@makirisei9923It’s true that he didn’t have any sons but finally produced an heir when he was 60 years old, just before he died. Toranaga’s historical equivalent promised to protect him, as he does in the show, until the boy grew up and rebelled against him- when he was killed by the Toranaga character
I literally thought exactly the same thing
Loving the this amazing series. "Shogun" is still one of my favorite novels. The only part that has me concerned is Anna Sawai's portrayal of Lady Toda Mariko, being such a central character throughout the story has so far been somewhat cold. I hope that the character warms up in future episodes, because if the audience does not like her it will hurt the story line.
Great job guys, great job. I’ve read all of Clavells books, watched the movie/TV adaptations and this is AWESOME. Great job guys, great job.
This story is truly a spectacle.
I watched the 1980 edition starring Richard Chamberlain.
Then I read James Clavell's book.
The Japanese have a lot of culture to teach us.
My most sincere congratulations to the entire team who are helping us learn more about this extraordinary nation.
Essa história é realmente um espetáculo.
Eu assisti em 1980 a edição estrelada por Richard Chamberlain.
Depois eu li o livro de James Clavell.
Os Japoneses tem muita cultura para nos ensinar.
Meus mais sinceros parabéns a toda a equipe que estão nos proporcionando conhecer mais sobre essa nação extraordinária.
I really enjoyed this second episode. Direction, dialogue, acting, etc., everything was spot on. However, at 24:18, you say that everything was dirty on the European side, so be careful not to overdo it and make the opposite mistakes. Okay, Western civilization has its flaws, but it wasn't Mordor for all that. It also had its art and refinements. Apart from that, good series.
I have visited Hemi, near Yokohama to see the monument to Miura Anjin and O-Yuki, Anjin-dori near Mitsukoshimae to see the monument there, Hirado Island to see Miura Anjin's House, now a sweet shop, the Dutch Trade Mission and also his grave with a monument to his English wife - Mary Hin. He had two children, John and Deliverance with Mary, and two with O-Yuki - Joseph and Susanna.
Great episode. Best series on TV.
Brilliant, for the Podcast after the show
Great deep dive into the meat of the show!
I love these behind the scenes details. I just wish to God they would stop calling the series Show Gun instead of Shōgun.
Need help! Was there a post show documentary or anything like that at the end of Episode 2, talking about the silk worm trade? It says so on Wikipedia and I’ve been looking to it everywhere!
There is a story that Miura Anjin was buried in Hirado and not Hemi. It is said that samurai ordered the bones of the buried christians to be dug up and thrown into the sea of Ikitsukishima. It is also said that christians, when it was safe to do so, dived into the sea to collect bones and they were reburied. I think the Japanese exhumed bones in the 1960's ?? to try to positively identify using DNA and asked for people from Gillingham, Kent, England to come forward and give their DNA! I would need to double check my memory and the outcome of testing.
I think Michael Jackson would be able to glide back and forth on tatami matts.
24:00 but Christians just had to deal with getting their heads lopped off
I can't believe Kondo the show runner has never read Shogun before now??!!
Where can I watch this in Canada? It is NOT streaming on Disney+ from Feb 27th as advertised. Any suggestions?
Hulu and FX on sling tv but I’m in the US
@@nataliev.149 thank you. I was able to find it on Disney+ as advertised. My Disney + settings were off. I remember when the original series was aired in 1980. I was living in Japan then but unable to see the series. Read the book though. Shogun was a worldwide phenomenon at the time then.
Cosmo Harris musta eaten glass b4 he did the show his voice is mad different 😅
Blackthorne bathe? Again so soon? What do you want, for him to catch the flux??
I see hiding under the deck
For me, a ”nails on a chalkboard” is when I hear Shogun pronounced as show-gun (like a pistol) rather than how it’s said in the show. It’s the little details that make this such a quality film.
This analysis paralysis takes all the "fun" out of the whole series, thanks for spoiling it because you can
He didn't know the Earth was an oblate spheroid? Well, heck. We're doomed.
When I was in high school, our earth science teacher said it was triaxial ellipsoid. It was even in our perodic exam. According to Neil deGrasse Tyson, the earth is actually almost like a perfect sphere.
Mount Everest is about 5.5 miles while the Marianas Trench is about 7 miles, compare that to the earth's radius of about 3960 miles. If you scale this sphere into a billiards ball, it would be the smoothest ball ever made by man. So John Blackthorne is right that the earth is a sphere.
I think the 'oblate' part is usually omitted or quickly forgot by teachers, i learned that it was almost perfect spherical.
Those flintlock pistols are a century too far ahead to exist in this timeline. This was a time of matchlocks and wheel locks.
God Cosmo is painfully bad.. terrible casting
Where are the men? I don't want to her two women talking about this. Get a clue people!