M.2 SATA, FAST SSD for my x3650 M1 Rack Server - 471
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- Putting a M.2 SSD in a good old IBM/Lenovo x3650 M1 and booting the server on it was something,, I though it would be cool. But only gave it, ah 40% -ish chance of actually working. But It did!! Awesome!
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I just got my first server last week, x3650 M2 and I love it. Your channel made me do it Thanks. Cheers
Hi T Komoski
Thank You very much! That is awesome,, I do hope you get a lot of fun and performances out of it!
Thank you for watching! :-)
You literally have done everything that I’m currently doing with this and I’m just following along! Just installed a high speed nvme in one of the pci slots, and have already 60tb of sata data because of the 5015 raid card, as well a 1650 graphics card without power in the pci riser card with your cutting technique. This is now the perfect plex server!
If you are using a x3650 M1, be mind full of it´s power usage :-) it is a great server but also a bit power hungry.
@@MyPlayHouse did you ever get an nvme to work in that slot? It sees it but when it tries to access the nvme (works with m.2) it freezes and reboots
Great video! Based on it I when I upgrade my FreeNas from 9.10 to 10., I will use this scenario over the USB onboard flash drive. You keep reinventing the wheel.
Good job.
I bought a Kingspec ssd once. 64gb sata. It worked at acceptable speed (close to hdd speeds) for a few months. After that performance went down to 150 kb/sec speeds. Never again!
There is an entire write-up on M.2 SSDs. there is two variants for storage: SATA III and PCIe. not all two-notch cards support PCIe, and are limited to PCIe x2 speeds. single-notch is PCIe only and can use the full speed of the X4 slot it can go into in an adapter. suggestively, see if the card works in the lower slot. you might be able to get it to work. some support both protocols.
Hi Sudos
Thank You very much! I am toled that the CPU is way to old for the PCI-e versions. I am more or less just getting power from the PCI port.
Thank you for watching! :-)
for booting, yes. for using as a storage medium? nope. still, to do a test to see if it even will show up as a bootable device would be an interesting thing, since IBM's BIOS implementation on those machines does go away from norms, being a server and all. it *might* be able to see it as a bootable device, you never know.
I got stuck with an m.2 2280 double-notcher thinking it was a PCIe x2 AND SATA compatible card as some are, and got a passive adapter to try and make use of it as a storage drive, and to my dismay, it was only SATA in the end. there's also a good write-up on the intertubes somewhere about which brands/models use which standard for what, and that's generally how I found out aside from the big ol' SATA marking on the label I didn't bother to fully read. I just got excited that it was an m.2 SSD and oh wow it's all mine, but nope, still can't use it yet.
thanks for the idea I didn't know those boards existed! I bought one of those boards and a 16GB m2 card for less than $20 to boot my server on.
Hi Enraged Bacon
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
You can still add PCIe M.2 NVME drive in there even if CPU / chipset does not support booting from it. You can still use it as very fast storage drive but you will not be able to boot from it.
Hi lnxpro
Thank You very much!
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Hey Great Video and happy 20.000 Subscribers (almost) I noticed that in your outro it says remodely instead of remotely
Have a nice Evening
Hi Alina Hänel
Thank You very much! I am there and then some : socialblade.com/youtube/user/sirnetrom1/realtime
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you should make a video on encryption and use of PCI-X Crypto Accelerator, no matter how much i read about this stuff, still hard to understand, and thanks for the M.2 explanation, I've read about 10 posts each of them was an essay, and nether one explained what distinct types there are, all of them said "you dont need the really fast one just get EVO" so thanks for explaining *_in one sentence_* that its SATA and NVMe, latter being the fastest, and connecting through an adapter or directly, and must be supported, or else it works over slower SATA protocol, thank you again
Hi Igor Igor
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
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explain what PCI-X crypt accelerator does
These servers are a tad old. You'd need an ICH10 or better chipset to support those SSDs...for TRIM, so basically Nehalem or after.
Hi!
I really likes your content, and i think its rally funny to watch your videos. i'm just wondering what type of program you used to create you usb stick? can you make a tutorial?
Hi silfverzor
Thank You very much! www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/
I wouldn't bother with the M.2 slot if the CPU and chipset don't support it. It's NVME and sadly, the M1 is awesome but this is too new for it. The best you can get is what you have already.
But could you run 2 SSDs in RAID 0 off the controller for boot redundancy?
Thanks for this, will try and convince the CEO of Domestic Engineering to part with some funds for testing on my x3250 M1. :)
Mac/au Isn't Raid 1 the redundant one? 0 is striped.
QuickQuips jup RAID 1 is the ohne for you
*one
M.2 NVME will most likely not work in anything older than Haswell / Haswell-E / Haswell-EX / Haswell-EP.
M.2 S-ATA can technically run in everything that supports S-ATA (even when you use an Adapter)
Hi. Nice Video. Could you run a Benchmark on the SSD how fast it runs? Maybe run hdparm -tT or something like this?
Would be awesome with some performance testing on these M.2 drives.
I read reviews about kingspec NGFF ssd, it seems to be good enough. the bios might be misread the firmware (?). and unfortunately you couldn't M.2 PCIe on X3650. those PCIe SSD needs NVMe compatible system to work. I saw pcie x1 to 2x NGFF SSD card earlier. you might like it
Hi S. Kojina
Thank You very much!
Thank you for watching! :-)
Both SATA internal channels are disabled in your BIOS (See devices and I/O Ports)
Nice, if I you don't mind me asking, why do you have so much hardware?
Hi WeirdScience06
I do get this question from time to time, so I have added it to my F.A.Q. that you can check out under the "about" tab here on my channel. I give a longer answer there.
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Thank you :)
Have you ever used the serial port on the back of a X3650 m1 ? I have a serial terminal and I thought it'd be interesting to see what I can do.
thanks morten, this was a realy good information for me.
Greetings from Serbia. Great Support! Morten whether you're on x3650 7979 installed ESXi 6.0 U2? What is the true mark of your server? Specification?
Hi malac1971
x3650 M1 with two x5450 and 24GB of RAM.
Thank you for watching! :-)
Be careful buying SSD in the China market, there are a ton of fakes out there. Sellers modify the software on them to report higher memory to the system, but are actually much lower size. Great video, I just picked up some older server that I may upgrade in a similar way.
Hi vbrtrmn
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
You can use F3 to test your SD cards.
github.com/AltraMayor/f3
could you do a video on the multiboot usb? that looks interesting and would solve my problem of having lots of usb iso laying around.
Hi Travis Sundell
I have not figured it out yet.. I have tried :-/
Thank you for watching! :-)
I guess that NVME and S-ATA will work when both are equipped, as m.2 has a power Limit of arround 12.5 watts where as the PCIe Slot without additional Power is capable of providing upto 75 watts as it is in the PCIe Standard since Version 1.0
Hi tmkoeln
Thank You very much! It´s only an x8,, so I believe it can provide 25Watt.
Thank you for watching! :-)
25W is defined for PCIe x1- x8 that is right...
But
should be enough anyways :
Even Highend m.2 nvme ssds like the Samsung 950 / 960 Pro tend to draw no more than 5 to 10 W
tmkoeln Yes there is no problem :-)
Sweet
Hi Unkyjoe's Playhouse
Thank You very much! this was almost to easy :-)
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if you get an nvme drive with an OPROM the x3650 will boot off of it, look at the plextor m5e drives, they have an OPROM (and that's what I use on my old systems)... most NVMe drives sadly lack an oprom and won't boot old machines that lack NVMe support in the bios
Hi Frank Echanique
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
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i am in Hong Kong, As i know KingSpec Brand SSD in china market not bad at all and have a good price.
Hi Brian Ng
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
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That was cool, will have to buy me a couple of those.
Nice video! gives me something to think about.
I would like to see how it performs after several months of use, especially if it's stable for booting.
I mention this because i used some cheap Verbatim USB-sticks which are all failed by now.
Hi Henk Kok
Thank You very much! I have never killed a USB stick,, how do you do that?
Thank you for watching! :-)
It not actually dead, but esxi does not boot anymore due to read problems on the usb device. I will send you a picture of it
Very Nice Morten 😜👍🏻
Hi artiguf
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
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Hello, how do you manage TRIM for yours SSD disks ???
Don't forget to give a thumbs up.
Hi psygn0sis
You Got It!
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Those PCI express adapters normally only support one of the m.2 slots being in use at one time so you may not get both working at once.
good ideia
thanks for this video. I have ordered the parts for our production web server. worth while upgrade
Hi William Kish
Hope this works out. I forgot to do some performances testing.
Thank you for watching! :-)
I don't think you will see any advantage of using a NVME ssd using the PCI-E bus since you prolly have either version 1.0 or if you are lucky 2.0. Each lane on 1.0 is 250 MB/s and 2.0 is 500 MB/s per lane. most of those cards will only run 2x on PCIE so if its 1.0 it will be actually slower than SATA 3.0 and only a marginal gain on 2.0
Morten, do you have experiences with the HP enclosure C3000?
Nice video!
Hi Morten . interesting post as usual. why not put a 2.5 ssd on the caddy ? i tought the sas connector where compatible ? also if you plan to used a nvme i wounot use this pci card coz it pass it to the sata controller and therefore i doubt it will get the full speed compared to directly to the pcie.
from what i understand on older bios . a pcie . nvme adaptor would be recognized as secondary storage by the os. just no able to boot from it.
also your post strike curiosity in me and research nvme boot compatibility on older mb ( ie my z77). the community mod firmware to make the z68 z77 z87.
very interesting .
www.overclock.net/t/1571271/tutorial-how-to-add-nvme-support-on-any-ami-uefi-bios-with-an-intel-chipset
i wonder if it would work on ur bios
Hi Frank Kesel
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
My PlayHouse ? ok
but there are PCIe-SSD's which are not working on the nvme-protocol, they're not so fast, aspecially writespeeds, but maybe they will run on older harware
maybe this one : MZVLW512HMJP-00000 Samsung PM961
You only need a new chipset and BIOS if you want to boot from an NVME SSD.
I also work with 3 system x3650 m4 im upgrading the firmware right now. I have a question mr, do i have to use the stock IBM sas hardisk or can i just use any sas disk with same specs ?
You can use anything,, but if it's an important production server,, chose wisely!
9:13 also more air flow for it.
will you build your own brand new server?
Hi. I did this exact thing when building my freenas server using a 7979. You can use the pci card without the sata connection the system will see it but you can't boot from it. I could not find a way to select pci device in the boot menu. I tested it with esxi 6.5 and was able to create a data store with no issues.
Hi Ladislav Brezovnik
Thank You very much! I´ll have to try that to!!
Thank you for watching! :-)
I have ordered a SATA DOM to try. I though it would of been here by now. Once I try it i'll let you know it it was a success. www.memorydepot.com/ssd/listcat.html?catid=SATADOM-SL-3ME2&prodid=DESSL-32GD72SCADNA
Have you found a replacement battery? I'm looking too!
Hi Greg S.
Replacement battery for what?
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My PlayHouse oh! The RAID controller batteries...mine look pretty bad :). Lumpy! Kan de tale "lumpy" en Danske?
Did you find out if SSD NVMe (PCI-Express) M.2. is working on this machine or works on SATA only? Thanks!
It worked,, but you can not boot from NVMe.
@@MyPlayHouse OK, for fast booting DVD drive should be fast enough ;) Thanks👍
the usb stick you used had multi boot. How did you do this? would make a good video :)
www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/
tjousk cool thanks will give it a try
I am still learning this one,, a bit weird at times.
wow! I will try this multi-boot software.
LOL that m.2 is really trying to be Kingston, i love the "nearly the same" branding :-D
But it works!!, worth the experement :-D.
Thanks for this!🤙🏾
Hi Steve Edwards
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
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Hi Morten, I would like to know if 2850 M2 can get more Capacity on Gb from a SSD RAM DISK slot x8 upper than 4x 146Gb SAS having total 587.6Gb hard disk SAS. Thinking to make Raid from SSD and to boot Windows System.
Every slot x8 gets 4gbps, you have a lot experience of installing any type of SSD, however before buying anything I prefer to ask you.
Because if 3850 M2 it carry on being limited on 587.6Gb from RAID then I must thinking on an SSD no faster than 4GBps and no bigger than 587.6 HD SAS.
1.-what do you recommend me??
I have a RAID 1, to be protect by clonning datas, but may be It is better to have RAID 0.
2.-Which of them is faster ? RAID 0 or RAID 1?what do you recommend me??
Nice to meet you
Hi Ben Ballano
Not sure I understand this question,, The x3650 M1,M2 and x3850 M2 ´s raid controller has a max limit of 2TB per drive SAS or SATA.
Have you meet me??
Thank you for watching! :-)
Hi Morten, inthe next link: lenovopress.com/sg247630.pdf page 127 describes next:
Depending on the level of RAID you want to configure, up to 584 GB of disk space can be used internally by using four 146 GB drives. Table 3-10 shows the supported disks
However If I decide to make bigger hard disk than 584 GB SAS from a SSD Ram Disk x8 slot, for example 2TB SSD Ram Disk x8 slot, It could be posible? or is it takes to do from M.2 SSD because de Intel Chip is lower than I6 or I7 and may be It does not recognice it ?
My tarjet is the next:
To be able to boot from PCIe Card x8 SSD RAM DISK or to boot PCIe Card x8 SSD M.2 depend on if hardware is compatible chipset to do it and having Disk Drive bigger than by manufacturer 584 GB SAS from 4x 146 SAS. Then I could do configuration RAID drom PCIe Card x8 SSD Ram Disk a lot bigger than 584 Gb SAS. I do not know if the last choise its posible. I am learning from you.
Thanks very much
i got the same brand from taobao and is legit (just very slow write speed around 200mbps)...not sure where you buy it..
Hi Rage Tech
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
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hi morten i am just chasing some information. what version of ibmc do you use to update the x3650m1 ? i have a model 7979 and cant install esxi 6 as it says unsupported cpu. {i am unsure what xeon it is it just says mv 3.02gh.}
Hi Nathan
I do believe you need an 5400 series CPU now.
Thank you for watching! :-)
ah ok i thought that may be the case. They should drop in perfectly fine shouldnt they?
Hi Nathan
You can install ESXi 6.0 and 6.5,, It complains with 6.5,, see my video on installing ESXi 6.5 on the x3650 M1
Thank you for watching! :-)
Very interesting video, thank you!
Hi TheNilknarf69
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
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Do you have any suggestion where I can get a good server (4 bay 3,5 SATA,) that is not to old? Pref 2012 or newer? For maximum $400 or 4500 SEK?
Hi swedisch elite hacker system!!!!!!
N0,, that is a tricky one.
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Hi! The king spec is slow. I try use normal nvme on same model, and get more perfomance on high loaded system.
Hi sergeyyy ghj
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
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I see you use ESXI 6.0 I installed 6.5 way would you not use the latest version ???
Hi T Komoski
The important thing was that it booted :-)
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pretty sure he was supposed to leave the screw in the pcie card and screw into that. that way it doesn't warp like it was.
Hi kevinbs05
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
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I have a "Intel 600P Series 128GB M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 SSD" and a "Desktop Dual-voltage Dual Port NGFF M.2 B + M Key SSD to PCI-E 4X Adapter Card". I have installed it in "ML10 V2 Intel G3240 4GB No HDD" and it does not work after I installed VMware esxi 6.0.0. I will have to get an M.2 SATA SSD and plug it in to the second slot.
Hi David Wilson
You shout not be able to boot from a PCI-e version on old hardware only the SSD version.
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Hello good Morning!
I have a question: What is the need to connect the sata cable to the pci express card x card?
If I connect the sata cable will I be limited to 3Gb or 6Gb standard sata port speed?
Is it possible to connect only the M2 to the pcie board?
Thanks
Hugs
This card has one M.2 NVMe, and One M.2 SSD,, the SSD needs SATA to work. The NVMe does not
@@MyPlayHouse Consigo instalar Sistema Operacional no NVMe?
Mort:
Always love your videos. Yes, I installed M2 NVMe boot drives in most of my computers now, and I am so happy. The costs are too much really for the Samsung NVMe drives, so I recently tried and liked the Intel 600p series. The write is SLOW but the read is FAST. And, they are cheaper than Samsung's NVMe drives. Actually, Samsung used to be CHEAP when I purchased them, but SEEMINGLY???, they have went up in price or maybe I just caught them at right time. So, I'm holding off until these NVMe come down, and I'm kindof doing like you. Just making it until costs come down. Again, love your video. You are about my favorite TH-camr. Really great content. {Again, better than watching our news and seeing the crazy Orange-headed Orantange run our country ...}
Hi Poe Lemic
Thank You very much! I do try not to be political or religious on my channel. The american people has made a strange choice. Prices on hollyday houses in Canada and Mexico,, might be going up.
Thank you for watching! :-)
Yeah, that's a good idea about the political or religious. As always, enjoy your channel. And, just be happy you are in Denmark. Lucky you. I never thought that America would turn into Crazy Land. And, bye bye Health Insurance !!!
The Chinese have no shame in copying anyone, that's a Kingston package.
i am trying to get a pcie nvme card working on a x3650 M4. do you know if it is possible? after mounting it doesnt show up on esxi 5.5
Hi spsfano
Sorry,,, I have not tried that.
Thank you for watching! :-)
if you are interested in that it seems that this driver is needed:
my.vmware.com/web/vmware/details?productId=353&downloadGroup=DT-ESXI55-VMWARE-NVME-10E030-1VMW#product_downloads
from esxi 6.0 on the driver is supported in the standard installation.
btw thanks for your great work your videos are really interesting and useful!
it works!
I like that you use Windows Movie Maker :)
He uses Sony vegas.
Hi Sven Producties | bleuthoot
I have used windows movie maker, but switch to Sony Movie Studio 13 Platinum, just over a year a go,, but I liked the text bokses,, so I have copied that over in Movie studio.
Thank you for watching! :-)
Is it possible for the ssd disk to be recognized without using the sata cable?
Hi david yamil
No,, the SATA disk only gets power on this PCI-e card, and need to be connected to a SATA port to work.
The other M.2 NVME, gets both power and connection. so if you only use that, you do not need the cable.
Thank you for watching! :-)
@@MyPlayHouse well, I have a 970 evo installed in an adapter that doesn't have sata, I want to make it work on an ibm x3650 M1 but I can't get it to recognize it, what can I do?
I do not think you can boot on it,, bios is to old,, but it should pop up inside the OS.
@@MyPlayHouse Thank you very much, once I try it I tell you the results
If you are not to use NVME for bootup it will most likely work. There is even a trick to have NVME m.2 (the PCIe Link variant) boot up with older Nehlem based chipsets even from legacy Boot Mode (NVME needs UEFI to be bootable normally. What I heard it could be achived by Clover, but was not able to verify that by now. mrlithium.blogspot.de/2015/12/how-to-boot-nvme-ssd-from-legacy-bios.html).
where do you buy your used hardware?
Hi thomas watson
Where I get the best prices,, I get a lot of servers from work.
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how old are those servers with usb 1?
Hi Mauriceje YT
Thank You very much! They are from 2006/2007 -ish
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How much does one kW/h cost for you?
Hi internet155
2,10Dkr -ish
I do get this question from time to time, so I have added it to my F.A.Q. that you can check out under the "about" tab here on my channel. I give a longer answer there.
Thank you for watching! :-)
can an 2 pin m.2 ssd fit in an 1 pin m.2 port?
No.
what have you all rack server to cough you to any business or have you bay them yourself
the m.2 you got is sata speed and not nvme speed
PS: i understand it later
Hi panagiotakis1234
Thank You very much! I do know this :-)
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Yeah, he said that he got it to replace the USB 1.0 ESX boot "drive". Which obviously would take a very long time to boot from.
in wath all your videos I am an embedded develloper I used to work as a network engeneer but I never knew that virtual machines has been so far. In university they used to show us vmware player and i never searched so much about. before 2 years i wanted to do a small rendering cluster (but the only rendering cluster you showed was about 3dsmax ) If you have time to do a video with video rendering encoding using ffmeg. As i read i think ffmeg can do distributed encoding with segments from one video to speed up process.
This is a bit pointless because you are limited by sata speeds so a standard non m.2 sata ssd would be more than enough
Hi Luca
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
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Yesterday from explainingComputers - StarTech dual front 2.5” SATA rack into a desktop PC
th-cam.com/video/TYq77wh958A/w-d-xo.html
www.startech.com/HDD/Mobile-Racks/35in-Trayless-Dual-25in-SATA-Removable-Hard-Drive-Drawer~HSB220SAT25B
Two SSD's in one slot.
Hi Carsten Hansen
Thank You very much! I have been contacted by a company that wanted me to to look at this.I might.
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This is how much an equivalent IBM Lenovo server goes for here in New Zealand www.trademe.co.nz/computers/servers/servers/auction-1252155217.htm
$2000 New Zealand Dollars is quite a lot!
Hi produKtNZ
Holly $hit,, and not even as powerful.
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Never use a tool as another tool. That is not a table. It's a keyboard. lol
It dobbels.
Wow can't believe your putting a cheap fake ssd in a server, that's practically the worst idea next to hitting the thing with a hammer
Hi VT Tech
Thank You very much! well it did work.
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each buys IBM System server somewhere
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