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- I usually recommend this IBM x3650 M1 to one two people every week. So I might as well make a vidoe telling you all about why.
Link to servers and parts : amzn.to/29ezyzl
But Ebay.??? is often a better bet.
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My PlayHouse is a channel where i will show, what i am working on. I have this house, it is 168 Square Meters / 1808.3ft² and it is full, of half-finished projects.
I love working with heating, insulation, Servers, computers, Datacenter, green power, alternative energy, solar, wind and more. It all costs, but I'm trying to get the most out of my money, and my time.
Supermicro servers support load reduced memory that can be as dense as 32GB per module. Load reduced means it uses half the power as a normal memory module.
Hi Jasminder Bangar
Thank You very much! RDIMM are faster then LRDIMM. right now you can get 32GB in both RDIMM and LRDIMM. if you want 64GB or 128GB blocks only LRDIMM are available.
Thank you for watching! :-)
Of course dd-wrt uses very little memory, it was initially made for home routers, which are embedded devices and usually don't have much RAM.
Hi
I ran it for years,, it did really good, and before i visualized it, it ran on a blue Linksys router. that was a bit more unstable.
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My PlayHouse I've run a blue Linksys router with OpenWRT for many years, it always worked without a problem.
Hi Seegal Galguntijak
Mine got buggy, so I switch to a visualized DD-wrt, that ran for a couple of years, now I am on PFsense.
Thank you for watching! :-)
10Gbit has been VERY uncommon until about 2015 where prices have come down a bit for switches and a lot for adapters, seeing the Intel X540-T2 for as low as 160€. I happen to use 10Gbit because I work with large PSD files where it makes a difference if it takes 1 or 4 seconds to open.
Hi
The switches are still a bit spicy for home use :-)
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Yes they are terribly expensive. If you diehard need it (like myself for transferring huge amounts of RAW images from my MacBook), you are best off with 2 port NICs in a "token ring" configuration, eliminating the need for a switch.
Hi *****
Thank you for watching! :-)
Dd-wrt is great for embedded routers. Pfsense is best for ultimate router firewall. Also look at open sense its a nicer GUI for PFsense.
I think I used DD-WRT for like 3 years,,,, it was fine :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
good stuff.
When you got multiple ISPs (dual wan) pfSense is absolutely brilliant.
Hi Henk Kok
I want this to,,, have you set that up?
I just got a darter dual network card for mt IBM x3650 M3 to get 4 network ports instead of 4.
Thank you for Watching! :-)
I have this running for almost a year now, and i must say it's very stable and relyable.
I was looking for a better way to have 2 internet connections routed into 1 lan, and pfSense does it quitte well.
If anyone is in America go and get yourself R710 or DL380 G6. Much newer and faster systems for very cheap.
For the 95% rest of the world,,, You want a IBM x3650 M1 to play with! And I have alle the videos to show you how awesome this server is. :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
If you run a Quad Opteron 6380 you can run 1TB of RAM and you still get three or 4 PCI-E slots to add on GPU. Search on Ebay "Quad Opteron 6380." A Quad can run a total of 64 threads and has 32 real cores.
Hi Jas B.
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Damn. So cheap, but you weren't kidding, the postage is killer. For some reason none of the sellers I've found will allow me to pick it up personally too ;_;
Hi
1. April I am kidding,, otherwise I try to keep to the truth :-)
Sometimes you have to be on the look out,, for a bit.
Thank you for watching! :-)
Hahaha. You got me good. :D
In my defense, it's April 2 here.
Hi Kendawg McAwesome
It is very difficult with all the times zones :-)
I should just not trust anything on either side of the 1st. :D
I bought an IBM x3850 M2 for 1€, i'm not kidding. ITSCO is selling them on eBay for the starting bid at 1€ . You need to pay 50€ for shipping, but that's alright.
Hi Hasenlordify
Cheap toy :-) Be mindful of the power usages,, it adds up!
Thank you for watching! :-)
@@MyPlayHouse I won't let it run 24/7. I want to get started in networking, NAS and all of the problems that come with it.
The server may run for 3 to 4 hours in the weekend, but that's about it.
Great,, just don't want you to get that big unexpected power bill :-)
@@MyPlayHouse Thanks for that, i would pay 260€, if i would let it run 24/7. That would hurt quite a lot since i'm just an apprentice.
The ram the 5100 through 5400 processors use is really cheap. I purchased 8x4GB for my Dell Precision 490 for $24 USD total.
Hi stonent
Good Price!
Thank you for watching! :-)
Excellent video. After looking at your videos I made a good decision to start building my rack. Currently I have 15 dell Optiplex 755 and hp 5700 pcs as servers. After getting them and upgrading those machines I found out that the cost is very similar to getting IBM or HP severs that are far more reliable and more expandable. Using VMware to maximize the resource I will also have a saving on the electric bill.
Hi
Glad you like the video,,,, It is also just a bit more cool playing with Server hardware instead of PC's.
Thank you for watching! :-)
Thank you for this explanation, Morten. They are really cheap these days in the US. Now, too, the x3650 M3's can be had for about $300 including shipping with dual processors and 48 GB of RAM with no hard drives. The M4's however, are still pretty expensive in most cases being close to $1,000. These servers can still do a great deal and are much more effective and robust in my opinion than the other popular server, the Dell PowerEdge 1950 or 2950.
HiI want a x3650 M4 myself,, but the price is so high.
Thank you for watching! :-)
The price on M3(s) took a nosedive on ebay, I'm seeing a few just under $200 now.
HI MortifiedDumplin
The season of home server playing is upon us :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
How is IBM and Lenovo with having non branded hard drives? My Dells and HP servers complain if your not using a drive that doesn’t have Dell or HP firmware .
I have to date not come across a drive that gave me any problems.
Hi there what do you think about Dell R710 I prefer that for newbies as it is hard core and pretty cost efficient. I know you love IBM It is a good alternative for a person who wants something else. Plus it is less noisy then IBM.
Hi Charles Dean
Thank You very much! I have done a video on the Dell r710
Thank you for watching! :-)
My PlayHouse have you tried Dell cloud servers ?? I got this one from eBay (Dell CS24-NV7 Cloud Server 12-Core 1.80GHz AMD 2419 with 64gb ram for $120 without shipping) it is also good for beginners the only bad thing is it doesn't run bare metal that's why it is not pretty cheap and people don't buy it. It is extremely good for Hyper V bare metal as it I was running it on there. Maybe I will make some video on it and share you with it. Also I just wanted to verify with you how much power consumption does the IBM M3 server that you consume?? Is it equal to HP DL380 Gen7??
Man, thanks thanks thanks
Hi pauil sandy
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
My PlayHouse man, more videos please. You are dragging me into servers and I am interested. Thanks again.
I would like a server to run virtual machines for gaming on thin clients and performing render tasks. I am new to the whole field and would like some advice on what to look for.
Hi Hyss
GPU power is going to be your problem.
Thank you for watching! :-)
Would a x3250 be an okay pfSense router, rather than the x3650?
I see the x3650 as a FreeNAS or VM server if anything.
Hi
Yes Yes Yes PFsense do not need much,, you would be able to run it off a big calculator :-)
But install it on top of VM-ware so you can run more stuff on your x3250.
Thank you for watching! :-)
My PlayHouse Thanks Morten, great tip ;)
Already have my home server up and running, this gave me some great ideas of things to try on it. Would love to see a video about adding an SSD cache to ESXI and when it makes a difference and would love to see a PFSense or DD-WRT setup video. Another easy thing to setup on a home ESXI is an OpenVPN host, there is even a nice VMware appliance on their site. Like always great video cant wait for the next :D
Hi
Good sugestions !
Thank you for watching! :-)
What's the reason this can only run 2TB hard drives? I mean, even the old PATA could handle drives up to 128PB (or about 131,072TB), so SATA would certainly be able to address the same sizes? And as for file systems, they have been able to handle these sizes for a long time! The old ext3 could do 16TB, and ext3 will go up to 1 Exabyte! So why only 6x2TB hard drives, and not something like 6x8TB? I mean, after all, if you're running 48GB of RAM and 2x4 3.4GHz CPUs? (Not regarding the question what it's being used for, like large corporate databases or something like that?)
Hi
The bottleneck is the IBM x3650 M1 ServeRAID™-8k SAS Controller. It cant take drivers over 2TB.
Put in a newer like the M5015 and you can go higher.
Thank you for watching! :-)
Could you show or build a budget server for socket 1366 ? there are a lot of cheap 1366 xeons on ebay.... I saw a auction with 8 ... yeah 8 Xeon E5640 CPU's and they are gone away for around 55 € so 7 bucks each Oo *.* :D
I got a Poweredge R710. 72gb of RAM with Dual L5630 Quad Cores for ~200 USD.
Hi The 1366 are realy cheap right now, because we hobby people are to cheap to buy the servers yet :-)
Good price for a L5630 server! good buy!
Thank you for watching! :-)
well what do you think of a Hp dl380 G7 I saw one with 24gb ram 1 CPU 2.6 e6400 and 4 512 SAS drives for 250 on ebay with 60 dollars shipping to my location
Hi
There is something wrong with the numbers,,, a e6400 is a PC cpu...
Thank you for watching! :-)
+My PlayHouse (Morten Hjorth)
HP Server ProLiant DL380 G7, 2x 2.93GHz HexCore, 96GB, 16x 146GB SAS, 2x Power
this one is 500 us dollars.
Hi FEDE SEVILLA
I have the DL380 G6 my self, and have worked on the DL380 G8,, I have never seen a G7,, I am sure it's a fine server.
Thank you for watching! :-)
bello i have bought an hp ml 330g6 and an hp ml 350 g6 for 120 euro each they are big but cheap. have you ever played with unraid? it does GPU passtroug but it is not free
HiNO,, I use VM-ware.
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In my setup I am using Mikrotik on a Virtual Machine. It is very cheap, but a very powerfull tool.
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Amazing video thanks
HI
Thanx,, that will be one like please :-)
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how about Power consument?
the server May be cheap but your Power Bill is stacking up with 500€\year ( netherlands).
what do you pay p\server blade ?
is the cost of Power that cheap in DK?
we 0,23€ p\Kwh
Yes it's a power hungry beast. But if servers is your hobby,, it's still cheaper then golf :-)
I have a F.A.Q under my "about" tab with some of this answer.
Thank you for watching! :-)
you got a link to the about tab ?
cant found it :(
Hi th-cam.com/users/SirNetrom1about
Thank you for watching! :-)
what about the DL380 G6-G7?!?!
Hi Jack Calloway
The DL380 G6 was a well build server,, it has been going a bit down hill from that one! When they work, they work,, but there are more issues, then on other brands,, and do not get me started on the service you get from HPE,,,,, boy :-( glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Great video, i think IBM is proud of you.
But i have to say that it can be a little overwhelming if you're new to servers and VMWare.
Hi
Too much info?
Thank you for watching! :-)
Too much info? Impossible! :)
Hi Jonathan Jogenfors
The videos tend to become soooo long :-)
Thank you for Watching! :-)
5400 xeons? really? better than 5600 xeons? I would like to see the cinebench r15 results on this one your favorite entry....
Well for some workloads a good Xeon 5400 will outperform an decent Xeon 5600 ,, they are not that bad.
I don't really see why you'd want a loud server with a dismal performance per watt ratio that needs its own infrastructure to be efficient in what it was actually build for.
The thing will cost you a minimum of 500 euros to run here per year on energy costs alone and with the added acquisition price of the unit, extra memory, storage and infrastructure, you'll be looking at a price where you can easily get something that runs cooler and uses less power while still providing performance and storage that is perfectly fine for a home server.
The TCO of these things is to absurd to even consider using them in any scenario.
HI
I get asked 10 times a week, what I'd recommend, and this is an awesome server, I have managed over 100 of them, and never had to call one in sick, disks die Yes! but on 8-9 year this keeps going. Two faster Xeon E5450's in it and it is as fast as a new $300 single CPU, Yes it's power hungry. I have 12 of them my self.
Thank you for watching! :-)
My PlayHouse
I did not ask anything, I gave an opinion that you failed to respond to.
It is economically unsound to run these servers as a home setup. It is ecologically unsound to run these servers at all.
There is a reason why data centers dump these hunks of garbage like this and there is a reason why home use is more suited for a low powered NAS solution.
Advising people to get this old junk without a proper outline what you could use these for apart from some hoarding fetish is unfounded and perhaps unethical.
"Servers" are a tool for a job.. if you don't understand the job, then you don't understand the server.
Diggnuts I think you are missing the point. These would be ideally suited to a home lab, as he states in his opening statement. I.E. For educational purposes.
A traditional NAS would not be able to run a virtualization hypervisor and therefore be limited in its functionality.
Additionally, Morten is an enthusiast and given the content of his channel; I would expect the majority of his viewers to be of the same persuasion.
Great video.
Is the server available in a miditower version or only as rackservers?
yes IBM & HP have tower versions of each server model's
Hi
Thanx,, I was just looking,,, but I did not find an exact copy, in miditower,, the x3500 comes close,,but not.
Thank you for watching! :-)
Morten how does the x3650 compare to the R610 or DL380 G6? Those are all what I'm considering for my first home server.
Hi
IBM and now Lenovo's x3650 series is very compadable with HP's DL380 series,,,, Dell's series,, I am not as much in too those.
Thank you for watching! :-)
My PlayHouse Thanks for the info!
I am planning to build a VMWare host (x2) and 48GB ram is too low. I will try to get something with at least 2 CPU sockets there are consumer boards that do that and they can have more than 256GB ram.
Hi Well That is properly for more than home use :-)
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Use ECC! For sure!
Hi thingyee1118
You must be tired of hearing me recommending this :-)
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thingyee1118
100%!
The x3650 M2 is also an good choise
Also this model uses far less power the M1 of the IBM. As compared to the "HP DL380 G5 vs the G6's, the G5 uses gross amounts of power vs the 2 G6's both use the same amount of power running vs 1 G5. Also something to keep in mine.
I am not going to disagree! :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Yes, and I think getting a server that uses DDR3 RAM will be cheaper to expand and indicates a much lower power draw. Also, it might be worthwhile to pay more for models with L Xeons to reduce the power consumption as not everyone is able to use alternative energy like Morten. 10th generation Dells (D210->D710) are also supposed to be quite good price/performance wise.
Hi
There are so many servers out there.
Thank you for watching! :-)
I do not use enterprise grade server
I use my own built from mixed grade parts
Main Logic Board: Asus SaberTooth 990FX R2.0
CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1100T, North Bridge / Memory Controller at 2.6GHz, Hyper Transport at 2.6GHz
RAM: 64GB, 4x 16GB DDR3 PC3-12800 1600MHz
LSI MegaRAID MR SAS9261-8i (it may be IBM M5015, but I am not sure) with Battery Backup - this drives RAID6 over 6x 4TB Seagate Constellation ES.3 SAS2 HDDs
nVidia Quadro NVS290 - PCIe x1 graphics - I tun out of slots
Intel I340-T4 - this "server" works as bridging router too
LSI SAS9201-8i - same as SAS9211-8i, but purpose built for IBM - IBM M1015, if I am not wrong - it drives 6 2TB SATA HDDs, which work as RAID6 over BTRFS - this is just temporary solution as temporary BackUP
Chelsio S320-CC2 - 10GbE, RoCE, iWARP, iSCSI Converged Network Adapter
I use Xen for Virtual Machines, but I would back down to KVM, as it is much more convenient and I do not suffer from losing any capabilities (I am using KVM on 2 TestBeds now)
I am planing to remove SATA HDDs as soon as possible and remove LSI SAS9201-8i
this would make space for adapter card for NCME and M.2 SSD.
Both will be used for booting
BackUp of whole booting area will be on RAID6 anyway
Hi WizardNumberNext
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
I think too many people took this advice. I went to price a 3650 M1 and can't find one.
I'm probably better off just putting the money into the DL380 G6 I just got anyway. It has no hdd, only 16Gb ram, I want different processors, and it only has one 460W power supply.
Now that I think about it he said one of the IBMs HAD to have the second power supply with two processors, does anyone know if this holds true for an HP DL380 G6?
The x3650 M1 is at least one generation of processors older then the HP DL380 G6,, the x3650 M2 are same generation. Intel Xeon 5500 and 5600 series.
My only thing woth these servers use lots of power and for many people it would be cheaper in the long run to get a slightly newer server with lga1366 as they use much less power.
Hi
Yep if you want to run 24/7 this is an important thing..
Thank you for watching! :-)
How loud is just one of these servers? Do you think it is bearable to have in my room? :p I currently have a home made server made from spare parts when I upgraded my gaming pc and the noise on that one is not too bad, but is all normal grade fans and cooler
Hi YamiFrankc
If you want a cheap good server to play with. I made a video talking about that : th-cam.com/video/p2lGufUYIZw/w-d-xo.html
But if you want a 24/7 server that has to stay in your room under your bed :-) maybe go more this way : th-cam.com/video/TqoazLMZNXY/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for watching! :-)
youtube at the moment: waaait a minute ... you didn't seen all these 6+ years old videos from My PlayHouse?... leeet me show you all of them :)
Finally they are pushing my videos :-)
I actually bought a 7979-b7u one for 45 euros with one 130 GB SAS in it and 10G of RAM.
It have almost all expansions possible (2nd power supply, wake-on-lan, 10 fans, etc...)
However, I'm worried: am I able to take off the pcie riser in the back to have a 16x 2.0 pcie port, in order to install a graphic card?
How does graphics card perform with it?
Hi
I have no idea,, If you try it ,, do let me know how it works out :-/ ??
Thank you for watching! :-)
you're welcome!
I will have my graphics card in september, i'll tell you if it works
Hi L'homme au pseudo
Awesome!
Thank you for watching! :-)
Hey ! I have a question, i have buy a IBM x3200 M3 for 40 € (44,25 $) with no HDD and 4 go of ram, i think it a good deal but i want your opinion ! (7328-K3G for the model)
PS: And, for what type of use this server is designed ?
Hi
Yes it an okay price,,, it not fantastic,, The Intel Xeon X3430 is a :
Clockspeed: 2.4 GHz
Turbo Speed: 2.8 GHz
No of Cores: 4
Max TDP: 95 W
Which benchmarks at 3373 - this is kind of slow-ish The Xeon's i recomend in this video,, the E5450 is around 4310 and it fits two.
Try and install VM-ware ESXi 6.0,, if it can't run that, straight out of the box,, I'd pass it on to the next lucky dude :-) and try again.
Thank you for watching! :-)
+My PlayHouse (Morten Hjorth) Okay ! I think u upgrade the processor to à x3460 or higher ! Thank for you help !
HI The Bipolar Technician
No, I do not have any 3400 series CPU,,, but I can see that it is mostly just the X3430 that is slow,, move up to X3440 or 50 you get a lot more performances.
Thank you for watching! :-)
Yeah, i have buy a X3460 for 30 €. I really suprised with this server, a raid card m1015 is integrated.
Hi
That is the card that many IBM servers comes with as standard. It is a okay card, but is missing a lot of the better functionality.
Here is a lot on the M1015 : lenovopress.com/tips0740-serveraid-m1015
Thank you for watching! :-)
Is it possible to equip this server with a fairly modern GPU like R470 or GTX 1050? If not, which cheap server would you recommend for that?
Hi Greg M
Thank You very much! I have done a lot of videos on GPU's in servers,, you want at least the x3650 M2,,, search "GPU" on my channel.
Thank you for watching! :-)
Thanks, will do that! :)
Hey @myplayhouse What do you use this data centre for?
Hi Adam Noor Ibrheam
I do get this question from time to time, so I have added it to my F.A.Q. that you can check out under the "about" tab here on my channel. I give a longer answer there.
Thank you for watching! :-)
@@MyPlayHouse Hey thank you for your response. Yes I checked it out and you have something great going on. I wish I had the space and money to do something like that.
Morten, I found your channel through Brian/Brainiac75, and I subscribed instantly, this looks like really good content!
However, I'd like to ask you for what reason do you have so many servers in your house? What do you use them for? I mean, I've got my own little home server, but it mainly runs an instance of OwnCloud for backing up my phone and sharing data with friends and family, however it runs on an old IBM Thinkpad X61s sub-notebook computer, and the big advantage is that it uses only 15 Watts of power! So it's really cheap, and with running Debian Linux on it, I could even run a small website on it, like a Wordpress blog or whatever (after all, OwnCloud is also just a website of sorts). But I've never imagined that one could have the need of so many servers at home, I mean that's not just one, it's at least two racks full of servers. What do you do with them? If you have a video explaining that, I'd greatly appreciate a link to it - or if you can answer in a comment, I'd love to read about it as well. All the best greetings to you from Berlin, Germany!
HI and welcome aboard :-)
I do get this question from time to time,,,so I have don a F.A.Q. that you can find under the "about" tab here on my channel,, where I give you a better answer :-)
Do have a good look around, I make a lot of videos,, mostly IT/server related, but sometime I mix in other projects as well.
I post a new video every Monday, Wednesday and Friday,, at 14.00 central Europa time :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Great informal video. Think or well I hope I answered some questions for you. I think the 1 question of pfsense on vmware may not be a bad idea or other VM based firewall solutions. I'd like too see it. Keep the server video's coming. Thanks.
I have tested pfsense on real hardware total waste of a box as it uses nill ram and nill hhd space out of the box, once you start adding extra stuff to it then you start hitting up hhds caching space and the ram starts to add up.
Hi
Well I am not very good at pfsense,,, and I mostly try to show you stuff that I have a little bit of undestanding on... so mostly the hardware.
Thank you for watching! :-)
Depends on your situation. Personally, I hate running Pfsense in a VM because generally I try to turn off as much as possible at the end of the day. I also don't want to have to rely on that VM to get internet for the rest of the house.
Hi John Smith
I also try to turn off as much as I can. It has been working nicely the last 4-5 years,, this way,,, It has never been the router's fault, when I have lost connection to my data center. I do have that server on 24/7,, So I save a box router this way.
Thank you for watching! :-)
What about racks?
What about this? "www.komplett.no/product/517886/pc-nettbrett/server-infrastruktur/rackskap/toten-19-rack-floorstand-18u-600x600" Will it fit? Or should I buy it used or something else? Thank you!
HiI do not think it is deep enough,,, servers are like 750mm deep.
So maybe something like this one: www.komplett.no/product/517888/pc-nettbrett/server-infrastruktur/rackskap/toten-19-rack-floorstand-42u-600x1000
But do more research :-) I only used 2 min. I could be wrong.
Thank you for watching! :-)
What do you use? And can you make your own? Thank you! :)
Congratulations with 9000 subscribers! :-)
HI Dolfertss
Thanx a lot!!
Thank you for watching! :-)
If you're here in the states and looking on eBay. try narrowing your search to your local area. If you're near a major city you might find shops local that re-sell these. There are at least two within 20 minutes of my work (Richardson Tx) that buy and resell server and desktop pc hardware from corporate liquidations, datacenter upgrades, decoms, etc. That will save you a LOT of money if you can go pick it up locally.
Shane Singleton yeah but all of them are in middle part of America. I live in NYC and it's a pain smh
Hi @Shane-Singleton
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
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Have you ever used XEN SERVER? If yes what do you think about CITRIX XENSERVER? Why did you choose ESXI over XEN?
Hi
When I started using VM-ware XEN was not a thing.
If you are going to run Citrix,,Xen makes good sense.
Thank you for watching! :-)
How do you get 10 Windows 2008 servers or are you just evaluating?
Hi
For testing, I usually just install an evaluating. But normal rolls apply for software licenses,, I do not want to open that gun powder barrel.
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120 day eval copy. Free from MS website. After 120 days re image. Or vmware calls it restore your snapshot.
My PlayHouse Open that gun powder barrel. That is maybe Danglish, I am afraid :-)
My PlayHouse It is called a powder keg: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powder_keg
idioms.thefreedictionary.com/a+powder+keg
Hi Carsten Hansen
Yes,, the bloody thing really does not translate.
But on your name I could see that you would get it :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
What should I? What should I? What should I?..... hahaha...... it's a great video man. thanks for the video....
HI
Thanx
Thank you for watching! :-)
does it come with rails
Depends if they include them in the ebay sale. You can find the rales separate but may cost a bit more than free rales included.
Hi
Well It came with rails,,, if there are still there ? maybe :-/
Thank you for watching! :-)
Thanks for all the great information in your veIdeos. I noticed all the hard drives on the rack on the left. How are you able to access those drives with the x3650 server? Thanks for you help
Hi Benjamin Lanza
Thank You very much! ISCSI san.
Thank you for watching! :-)
Actually Windows Server 2016 comes with Storage Spaces direct which for data safety is much more awesome than ESXI and the licensing costs are much cheaper. VMWare sucks you in with the free hypervisor but the advanced features are way more expensive compared to windows server 2016. Also with hyper-v you don't have to know linux, which is what ESXI is based on. The Hypervisor version of Server 2016 is free to install on bare metal, and you can do clustering with it out of the box. Server 2016 also supports shielded VMs and Secure VMs if you really want to isolate VMs from the Host and other VMs. For Datacenter edition you can get full licenses for about $20USD. Storage Spaces direct supports tiering of storage media types so you can have M.2 drives, then SSDs, then Spinners, and storage spaces uses the fastest possible storage as caching. You can also build in redundancy on a software level as well while avoiding the pitfalls of raid.
Hi Jasminder Bangar
You are right about some of this,, But if you think a legal Microsoft lic. for Server 2016 datacenter is $20,, that is not the case. : www.microsoft.com/en-us/cloud-platform/windows-server-pricing.
$6155 and with that you get the right to use it on 16 cores,, so it your server has 32 cores,, well you need two DC lic. and you will need "CALs are required for every user or device accessing a server".
There is a free Hyper-V that you can install,, it does not include any lic. to install any Microsoft servers, so if you want to keep it free you will need to install free operating systems,, like linux.
Thank you for watching! :-)
Highly recommend this server too. I bought it for about 130€ from Ebay germany with 2x Xeon 5420 @ 2.5 GHz so a bit slower CPU but I really got 48GB RAM included in the server. All just for a total of 130€... So I didn't worry about the CPU.
More specs:
6x 1 Gbit/s Network Connections
6 Bay HDD
2x SAS 146GB HDD
Hi
Two Xeon E5420 is not bad at all, and you got a lot of server for the money.
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Hej hvordan går det
Hi
Please keep comments in english :-)
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+My PlayHouse (Morten Hjorth) nej jeg vil ej
How much power does the M1 use?
Hi
Depends on a lot but 250-350W is not abnormally.
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My PlayHouse Thank you :) I might go get one
Here in Brazil is very expensive buy servers like this one, even simple servers with little power and used, are expensive unfortunately... I would love to build a homelab with propers servers but i have to manage and use old desktops and "convert" them in servers...
i use that aproach to for homelab here in el salvador.
the power comsuption is the only problem xD
HI
Yes I have heard that Brazil is bad server land,,, I have no idea how you could salve that.
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Brazil : maybe places like this can help you : www.servermonkey.com/shipping-and-returns/
They ship internationally,,, maybe there shipping price is okay.
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Here in Brazil you can find x3650 server on MercadoLivre , starting from R$250,00 ( Less then USD 100,00 ), but you have to be carefull with the eletric bill, probably you will spend the server value in 3 or 4 months of electricity.
What will be more expensive is the RAM memory, but this is a Market Problem in Brazil. and this is easy to import via Ebay Sellers
Is there a real advantage to use a ten year old 19" format power hog server for home lab use over a newer system other than one can play with old iLo, IDrac or IBM's kvm versions?
Especially when run 24/7 I'd suggest a more modern system like some HP Microserver, Levnovo's Thinkserver 140 or Dell's PowerEdge T20.
They use way less power and produce less noise.
I've got an older HP Microserver with 8 GB RAM (capable of running ESXx, now on Debian) and a shiny new Supermicro system with a Xeon-D 1541 (compare this to the E5450 :) w/ 64 GB (128 GB max) running ESX6. Both systems pull together with all stuff around (UPS, Switches, etc.) about 85W from the socket..
Ofc' the Xeon-D system is a little overkill just to run 10-20 VMs - but it hast enough power to transcode video, is really silent and has a high WAF (woman acceptance factor)..
Hi
IF you find any Rack mountable servers, which is compatible with WAF (woman acceptance factor) do tell.
But if you have run in to that kind of incompatibles,, which is self inflicted, I might add! Microserver is your thing :-)
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In my opinion the microservers are incredebly overpirced. Yes I know this is an old comment but still
Thanks for the video, was helpful! I might get one just for the 3.5inch drives as a NAS now. I read somewhere that the serveraid cards (by LSI?) can have issues with consumer hdds, have you had any issues? Also have you been able to do PCI passthrough of the network card to pfSense?
I'm running 2 IBM x3650 m2s that I got for an absolute bargain ($340 AUD delivered for both with X5570 CPUS and 96gb ram each!) with proxmox and really happy with them. Might be worth recommending this server too if it comes up cheap (except as a NAS) :)
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I recommend all the x3650's But the M1 is just the cheapest way into servers,, and it can really do a lot.
I have made a extra switch in VMWARE where the internet connection goes in and only pfsense are connected and is routing out the other network port.
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Thanks for the reply. Just a note that pfsense may have higher cpu usage than ideal if you're using virtualised network drivers instead of pci pass through, it does on my m2 and seems to be a common problem. May be different in VMWARE, i'm using KVM through Proxmox.
Hi Mjolnir
I just checked,, it is using 213MHz,,that is 0,66% of available CPU,, that in fine.
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Personally I would recommend 16GB there, 2x4 on each CPU because most server motherboards do not work at all with single channel (quite honestly they haven't been designed for little RAM, they are designed to be fully equipped).
HI
Yes,, that would be a good start!
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Have you ever tried ProxMox instead of VM-Ware?
Nop!
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Now he is experimenting with ProxmoxVE.
Go and watch his newest Video :)
Thanks for this video! Do you know what the power consumption would be running idle (with 5 or 6 sas drives)?
when you buy 2nd hand server will you get the os as well? running so many vm you would require data center edition.
Hi Will Channel
Thank You very much! because of my TH-cam channel I get a lot of old equipment that nice people would like to see me use.
I gt a way with using trial lic. on most of my servers.
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Did you look before on ebay before you posted this video? cause Im not finding any good deals...
Hi
This is dirt cheap : www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-System-x-3650-797971Y-2xl-Xeon-X5450-3GHz-4GB-RAM-0GB-HDD-A-Ware-16-0942-/262504846564?hash=item3d1e8214e4:g:0VMAAOSwgY9XdP1R
But It depends on where you are in the world.
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IDK about over in Europe, but here in the US you can get some r710/x3650 m3 tier servers for between $100-$200 depending on the condition.
But sadly it seems that the r720/m4 servers are $600-$1000. Which is a HUGE jump in price for not THAT much more performance.
Some year hopefully the haswell servers will be down in the $200-$300 range, so I can get something that will be a bit lighter on my power bill.
Hi steaker1705
Thank you for watching! :-)
:P
i got a intel xeon e5 2620 v3 server
on a asus z10pa-d8
with 16 gb ram...
will be upgrading to:
dual intel xeon e5 2630 v4
256 gb ram
8x 512 gb ssds
You are good,, that is one hell of an upgrade!
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What do you think about Dell C6100/C6220 servers?
Hi Edvardas Rimkus
I really like the concept! it's a cool form factor.
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Morthen i would recomend services like servermonkey, i buy a Dell R430, Two xeonE5440 with 32GB of RAM and 4 500GB SAS drives like for $500 dollars
i suppose what that model is not available right now but latest models with similar price.
Hi
Thanx for the good info,, servermonkey do not have much IBM/Lenovo,, a shame.
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youre rigth they not have IBM/Lenovo , only HP or DELL.
Hi Jose Barahona
Still a cool place,, I need so find a sponsor like that a day,, but someone with IBM/Lenovo equipment also :-)
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Where is the 2019 edition of this video. This is not good enough for me in 2019.
Hi Dino
If you want a cheap good server to play with. I made a video talking about that : th-cam.com/video/p2lGufUYIZw/w-d-xo.html
But if you want a 24/7 server that has to stay in your room under your bed :-) maybe go more this way : th-cam.com/video/TqoazLMZNXY/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for watching! :-)
TH-cam is messing up, and climes that I have not replied to this,, sorry for the "disturbance in the force" :-/
You posted that this server 6 bays hot plug, 2TB max. Does this mean 2TB total (All bays) or per bay?
Hi
It 2TB per Bay. It is the raid controller that can't handle bigger drives,, so a newer controller and it can use bigger drives.
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Hi! what would you recommend for a rendering server? thank you for the videos
Hi hex-d9d919
If you want a cheap good server to play with. I made a video talking about that : th-cam.com/video/p2lGufUYIZw/w-d-xo.html
But if you want a 24/7 server that has to stay in your room under your bed :-) maybe go more this way : th-cam.com/video/TqoazLMZNXY/w-d-xo.html
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Bro, what do you use for power backup or redundancy for each rack ?
And how much power does one rack with 15 servers use ?
Hi
I do not have power backup,, I do not run anything that important. We have a very stable power grid. We lose power twice a year,, in average. and 15 minutes is as fare as I can remember, the max time.
A server uses somewhere between 100 and 300W,,, check out my F.A.Q. under the "about" tab.
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Great video I found it very helpful. Thanks!
Hi
I am glad you thought so!
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I'm looking for a rather cheap storage server with at least 1g connection. Any recommendations?
Hi Scorpiaa_ | YT: ScorpiaDev
If you want a cheap good server to play with. I made a video talking about that : th-cam.com/video/p2lGufUYIZw/w-d-xo.html
But if you want a 24/7 server that has to stay in your room under your bed :-) maybe go more this way : th-cam.com/video/TqoazLMZNXY/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for watching! :-)
Dell R510 it holds 12 3.5" drives.
Scorpiaa_ | YT: ScorpiaDev go for HP DL380 Gen7 they are pretty good or this IBM. If you are thinking of running other things I will say go with IBM gen 3 what he uses or Dell R710 I am running Exsi 6.5 with 2 windows 2012, dsm 6 and couple of centos on it.
What about R910
Morten, do you run this servers in your palyhouse 24/7? how many kw do you use in one month ?
Hi
I get this a lot, so I have a F.A.Q under my "about" tab,, check that out!
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is electricity so cheap for you or how do you afford running that many servers?
Well it all depends where in the world you live guess like me your power bill is high even when you turn on a light in your house. Certain AMD CPU's will not run Vmware. If your planning on trying there low low watt CPU's I've tried. My one HP server I have built from the ground up from spare parts I added 2 Xeon L5500 series CPU's these are low watt models something to look into if your worried about the power bill, also like Morten said make sure you use high Dimm's 4/8/16 DIMM's. 1/2GB now a days not worth the hassle. 24GB ECC server kit may run you 50 US.
Hi
I cheat and turn them off, when I do not need them. This is one of the questions i answers in my F.A.Q. under the about tab :-)
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What about an x3650 M3 with 2 xeon 5420's?
how many virtuals could I run with that?
Hi Chris Federico
The Intel Xeon 5400 series does not fit in there,,, 5600 series does.
You can run 1000 servers, but they share those CPU´s, and RAM, so you would also need a lot of RAM.
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My PlayHouse Okay thanks. What about this one.. IBM x3650 M3 2x L5640 2.26ghz Six Cores 24GB RAM(6x4GB) M5015 2x 146GB 15
I am looking to run about 10-15 windows 7 VM'S.
I didn't even realize you could load a layer on top of the hardware via the VM virtualize until I seen your video about VM 6.5. I currently have an IBM x3200 M3 with one xeon x3450 quad processor with HT. only 6 gig of ram. Going to test out the VM 6.5 virtualizer on this first.
Chris Federico See some more of my videos on this,,, I have made a lot of them :-)
Helium drives use the least amount of power.
Hi Jas B.
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Thank you for that info. I was thinking about buying this server but there are 2 issues with it for me:
mentioned power consumption and (more important) the noise. Running that "home server" in the same room where I'm working whole day is not an option :-/
But as I saw on your's videos what cool stuff you can do with virtualization I've build a N3150-ITX (passive cooling) server with 16GB or DDR3 ram and it runs Win2008R2 with MSSQL and 4 linux machines with some web dev. Currently, with one HDD it uses about 35W max. Of course, CPU does have basic VT-x and EPT, only one Gigabit eth port, but I think it's nice machine for start. I've also tried to install ESIX 6.0 but there were some issues so I've ended with Proxmox and it just works fine.
Maybe some day I will have own playhouse ;)
Thank you for all videos!
Hi
This is great,, you see my video and my recommendations, do the pros and cons,,, and go your way!! :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
if u are still looking for a more silent server th-cam.com/video/TqoazLMZNXY/w-d-xo.html
Glad you mention Linux. I only run Linux on my servers.
Hi
Yes I have heard some of the cool nerds say it,, some day I'll look it up :-)
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Good. Linux is great. Cheers.
thingyee1118 what flavor of Linux do you run?? I am more of centos and Debian ... Cause I like stability but for playing Fedora is my thing. Are you running kvm or Linux on Exsi?
I have to admit that I haven't encountered an unstable Linux-distribution.
What are the issues trying to running that type of software on standard pc hard ware, if you're just using if for testing? (apart from the lack of remote management support and proper raid support etc)
really nothing. just make sure you have hyperthreading enabled in your bios, some older bios "DELL" have HT disabled. As Morten said get an old ssd for the boot drive for vmware. My "HP DL380 G6's" have an sd card slot on the motherboard which has vmware on it. A UPS is also recommanded.
Hi
Most people here like to play with servers,,, PC hardware can be used,, but
I did it in this video : th-cam.com/video/TqoazLMZNXY/w-d-xo.html
It just is not as cool :-/
Thank you for watching! :-)
The main thing I miss about servers are the cool start up noises and the flashing light's on the RAID arrays, the cool thing you can do with raid. But hey instead of buying one I can just watch your channel :-)
what would you recommend if i wanted to add fire pro cards to the system and pool gpu resources for video editing?
Hi
I have been playing with this on the IBM x3650 M2,,, so a X3650 M2 or M3 or newer. M4 and M5 is ready for GPU with out ninja tricks.
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thanks, i've played around with it with xenserver and a few old workstations but im using old(2005) optrons so they dont quite have the power im looking for
Hi spencer williams
I have now made a playlist with my videos on GPU in server,, my goal is probably different from yours, but there might be things you can use.
Thank you for Watching! :-)
Ah thank you, i had stumbled upon a few of them earlier. That only thing i might have done differently then you would have been to use a pcie x16 ribbon instead of cutting that poor pcie x8 slot. Currently i have 3 8 core servers that i use for rendering blender animations but since they use opteron 2000 series amd-vi is not supported so no gpu's for me however i was thinking about adding a ibm d20 to the mix which does support directed i/o
Hi spencer williams
I never got the Sony Movie Studio 13 Platinum to work.
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Hi cheeseburger
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
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Greetings from Norway! :)
Have you ever built/wanted to build a custom server like I have done in one of my videoes? (Dual Xeon)
HI
I haven't done that for like 6-8 years :-) Is it working out for you?
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Yes, absolutely! :)
Cost ratio probably ain`t as good as buying older server-hardware, but it delivers as promised! :)
Your videoes are getting better and better, so that`s just a pleasure to watch your channel gro!
Hi DaTHack
Thanx a lot!
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I get alot of cash? Good sign me up. Hahahah. Yes you can if running a ecommerce on it ahaha. But yes l3, l2 cache.
Hi I lost you there,,,? Ohh No now I get it,, the fuck up I capet in,,right!!
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yeah you left the cash thing in hahaha. free cash ! :P
So I have to ask... What the hell are you doing with all these servers!? o_o
Hi XtremeConditions
I do get this question from time to time, so I have added it to my F.A.Q. that you can check out under the "about" tab here on my channel. I give a longer answer there.
Thank you for watching! :-)