This tracks well with our experience. My dad got a RWD Lyriq and routinely gets a 330-350 mile range estimate. We are in CA and in ideal climate conditions. And he drives more city than hwy. Having said that, the Lyriq seems to be more conservative than my Bolt (I've had 2 - 2017 and 2020). Bolt is usually spot on its EPA for me. The Lyriq has never been below for us. Friends' Teslas are always lower than EPA in my area.
Same with my gen 2 Volt, it will vary a bit depending if I have been doing more city or highway driving though. It's nice to have the backup generator even though I almost never use it.
The correct metric is not RANGE, it's Watt hours per mile. Just like on ICE cars the correct metric is MPG, not how far you can drive on one tank. Geez the ignorance here.
@@gaviriajj No, it's nothing like ICE cars. The difference is the charging infrastructure, which is not yet ubiquitous like gas stations. On an ICE vehicle, you know you're always within a short distance of a gas station, so you have the luxury to care more about MPG. With an EV, you care more about making it to the next charging station, which might be 50 or 100 miles away. So, until they build out the charging infrastructure, range is what you care about on an EV road trip.
How long were you on the waiting list? Is it a 2023 Debut Edition? My 2023 DE order was rolled over to a 2024 Lux 2 AWD and have been waiting 13 months. Still the dealer has no idea when my car will arrive 😡. While others have dropped off the list, I’m going to wait since all reviews I have read say it is worth the wait.
@@FoamCrusher I ordered my 2024 Sport 3 AWD Lyriq at the end of November 2022. It is now mid April 2024 and I got a call from the dealer yesterday that my vehicle has FINALLY been invoiced by the factory. They say that means it will be about 2-3 weeks until they have it. It was on a parts hold since December 2023. I can't wait. There is a 60A 240V circuit in the garage from when I had a MIG welder there, so its spot is waiting...
@@WadjasayCannatearya Congratulations! I finally gave up and found a Jan 19, 2024 built Lux 3 AWD with 20” wheels (factory deletion with $1000 credit) at a dealer 80 miles away. And it was not packed with every factory option the dealer could order which was common on the other Lux 3’s I saw. What finally push me to buy it, was that was delivered a day before my COSTCO $1000 credit was due to expire on March 1. I found out later that the car I ordered was delivered to the dealer about March 18 on a Dec 31, 2023 build from my original May 25, 2022 ordered DE. With all of the credits (GM Ultium Promise, GM Private Offer, wheel size deletion and COSTCO) it was only a little more expensive than the Lux 2 that I had originally ordered and had more features. I only had to compromise on the interior color. Now I just have to see if I can keep the almost white seats clean. Was it worth the wait? Absolutely. Would I choose to go through that GM information blackout and secrecy again? Absolutely not. You will really enjoy the car. Head turning style, quiet luxury with plenty of power. There is nothing on the market even close to its MSRP that can match it.
Great review. Was waiting for this for long time. Got 2k Miles in 4 weeks on my Lyriq. Did 1300 mile road trip 8k feet elevation climb twice temp from 80 to 110 4 passengers full loaded trunk mostly hwy driving around 75mph averaged 2.7 miles per kw.
We had a reservation for the Lyriq over a year ago and waited until last week to give it up. We were not getting any info on when we could make our production order and my better half was really getting feed up waiting for her car. Watching this video makes me wish I had kept that reservation, we ended up with the Q8 E-tron which was way more, in price and range. Still a nice car, but if the Lyriq checks off this box of range and can charge like a beast if you are still waiting don't second guess your self like I did. I saw some pictures of the 24 AMD and the updated the door handles to be normal not buttons and I heard the charge port now opens smooth. Again, great video Tom and looking forward to the charging curve, I expect that to be really good. GM has hit it out of the park if they can pass these two tests, they just need to deliver vehicles. The wait was killing us.
re: "We had a reservation for the Lyriq over a year ago and waited until last week to give it up." well that'll learn ya. re: "Watching this video makes me wish I had kept that reservation" see...? see...? while both are technically SUV's of sorts don't confuse the Lyriq with the Cybertruck.
Don’t be sorry theLinuxdude you got a FAR better car with an Audi than a crapillac. You have precision German engineering, unlike GM that slow rolled out a car “to find out all the mistakes.” You don’t want a car that had to find out the mistakes while you are driving it. It is why the entire first years run were recalled and placed as show pieces in the showrooms, can’t be test driven, can’t be turned on. You want a car that was designed, tested, and built once they ironed all, the kinks out. If Biden had not bailed out this company with trillions of yours and my tax dollars then it would be beside Pontiac and Oldsmobile.
Great video. I have a Lyriq on order and when it comes in next decade I will have this great information. I appreciate all your videos. I am also in the works for establishing Ev charging stations in our condo community to owner’s individual deeded parking spaces, so I would appreciate any videos regarding the challenges with tapping directly off our individual power meters providing 100 amp service to each condo.
Tom, all GM vehicles subtract regenerated energy from the consumed energy. If you pay close attention to the energy used you'll see the amount used will reduce while regenerating.
I’ve had my Debut Edition since September. I have over 12,000 miles, and the vehicle has been a dream. The Super Cruise, and the vehicle, sets a new standard!
Great video Tom, thanks for making us smarter. I own a 2023 Lyriq and I took it from NY to DC, around 250 miles trip in about 25-28 degrees cold weather. My intimal estimates (so did the car) was to stop once to re-charge but the battery was discharging a lot faster rate than expected which made me stop twice for recharging. I attribute that to the cold weather, would you agree? Thanks!
@@ultrastoat3298it’s funny a how many people don’t realize the catch with large batteries. When GM makes thirsty gas car, it’s only on consumer paying more for gas, it doesn’t really cost more to put a bigger tank in. But with BEV it cuts both ways, the larger the battery the more it costs to make, so they either charge very high price, or lose money on all cars. Not a good position to be in, that is for sure.
@@ultrastoat3298You sound like an complete idiot that’s scared. Neither you nor mxs8102 has proof that *gm* is losing money and their EVs aren’t profitable. Y’all are literally talking straight out of your asses.
@@ultrastoat3298also to say a highly price competitive vehicle like the Cadillac Lyriq can’t be price competitive although it already is, it’s so asinine and a testament to your lack of brain power. 🤡 *gm* is laughing.
Great video. My 2023 bolt is a little frustrating with the “low” on the dashboard. You are right about the app though, I can see the miles and percentage left with the “my chevrolet app.” I did a range test at 55 mph in it to see… lol also, I just started a TH-cam channel and tried to add several short videos of the range test…. I’m new and not sure how to blend my videos. I’m working on that though….. thanks again
Great reviuw as always! So.... I have seen Yt channels claiming that "GM is going out of business soon" and some real "interesting" comments about the CEO... Anyway, this EV is badass, well done GM
We just returned from Tampa to Charlotte in our Lyriq (vid in chan) and as a road trip vehicle, it is the best I have ever owned. I agree the battery percent needs a number. We also own a Volvo XC40 recharge and they were missing range in miles when it first came out, but added it via an OTA update later. I am assuming GM will too as the Ultium cars get owner feedback. Thx for the vid. I enjoyed watching, as always.
Really great job on this video Tom. Lots of great information. The theory about why the pack has more than the stated usable energy is interesting. Sounds reasonable. This vehicle definitely has an excellent powertrain.
Hey TOM! Another great video! I’m so glad you were very happy with the lyric. I know they haven’t sold very many yet but it’s really good to know that there are good EV options finally coming out. Before your next range test, look up and try foundation training for your back. I like the original 12 minute version. Very helpful. You can also do a quick session while you recharge. It really helps my back before and after trips.
Scariest part of these videos is Tom with a depleted battery, pulling into a non-Tesla charging station. My experience has been that charging at Electrify America or EVGo or other non-Tesla station is hit or miss. And with a depleted battery, you don't want to miss. I wouldn't look at a non-Tesla EV until Tesla's charging infrastructure is available. The others are just not as reliable. Great Video Tom!!!
Hey Prof, I hope all is well. So, I get that the reliability isn't 100%, but I will say this. You know I've been driving EVs for 14 years now, and using DC fast chargers for nearly that long. Only 1 time was I not able to charge when I arrived at a DC fast charge station in the many, many times I have used them. Yes, often I needed to call customer service to assist me in getting it to work, and other times I needed to try multiple plugs to find one working, and other times the station didn't deliver as much power as it was supposed to, but I always left charged, even if it wasn't a great, seamless experience.
I'd like to see what the AWD 600 4e does in this test before I commit. It's between a new AWD version of this or a used Model X, but the hwy range capability is a priority for my needs. I have my doubts that the significantly more powerful AWD can come close, but if it does, GM will earn my money.
Great video, Tom. I'm keeping the Lyriq pretty high on my list of vehicles to consider next, especially if they flip the CCS port over to the front right before making the switch to NACS. Until then, that car will be a terrible neighbor at Tesla superchargers.
Good video. And thanks for the comment at about 19:50 to slow down to increase range. In reality if people followed the speed limit and stayed in the right lane pacing the traffic there would be less close calls, accidents, and road rage overall..
Tom, great video as always! That is great range, at this rate, GM should advertise it as 375 mile range (12% above its actual range) just like all other EVs. But at the end of the day, it is still 100+Kwh, imagine if the model Y had 100kwh pack, it would get 400+miles of range.
Why would you compare Lyriq to Y. Two totally different cars. Before you say somthing just compare tire size of both vehicles. Imagine if Y have same tire size will not even touch 200 miles.
@@8bajwa8huh? So if tesla put 20" wheels that are more narrow like the lyriq the range would plummet nearly 80 miles ? I'm pretty sure you're making things up
I have been in some gas cars that also report "low" when the tank is close to dry. I think some engineer/manager/or lawyer selected this to basically tell the driver, fill up now, we do not assure anything from this point on.
Great video! I test drove a 2024 AWD Lyriq yesterday and was very impressed with the power and overall comfort. I presently own a 2022 Audi e-tron, when comparing the two, I find the Lyriq has more road noise but is far more comfortable, and has better range. I have dual charge ports and would like to see dual ports on the Lyriq or, preferably, have a standard front location on all vehicles so that the EVSE location won’t matter in a garage or charge location. As of today, my next vehicle will be the Lyriq.
I would like to see you Test Drive the AWD Lyriq & compare it against the Rear Wheel Drive to the see the difference in the range, the average motorist does not drive 300 miles a day, so the Lyriq is a great vehicle for the price👍🏾👍🏾
300+ miles of range with AWD in a vehicle as spacious and luxurious as this is perfect for middle-high class American families. This vehicle would sell well even at $10k-15k above it’s peak price because of it’s practicality. The engineering speaks for itself when you drive it but the _Lyriq’s_ design is the icing on the cake for me!
I am not a GM fan, since they scuttled my SAAB brand, and stranded me. However, it is nice to see GM under promising, and over delivering. Kudos to them. I have owned 8 Caddy’s. I used to buy them from Scott Motors in Reno, from AJ Reck, the salesman with a name you can never forget. But, they lost me forever as a customer in 2008. My 4 Audi’s have measured up quite well since then. (eTron is the newest)
i really like the old gen1 volt telling me exactly how many kw's are going where. helps me drive more efficiently up hills where i can keep a steady input power while letting my speed sag by 5-10 mph. getting 5miles/kwh on the hwy at 60-65mph, crazy
I thought he clearly explained, EPA does not provide 70 mph range. Btw., the EPA tests are not performed on roads and AFAIK they are performed by the automotive manufacturers.
I have a 2021 Tesla Model Y long range. I’ve found that holding a steady speed is the best way to get the maximum range. That said, I fully agree with your comments regarding exceeding 75 miles per hour and its affect on efficiency.
Enjoyed the Vid and I will addGM does not give you a number on range for their gas engines. I have a Cadillac SRX 2013 and when I reach 40 miles, it then gives you a LOW reading so you have to remember to find a gas station. When I first bought the SUV, I ran out of gas because I wasn't paying attention. LOL I really like the Lyriq and watching the reviews. I agree with you, it should be at least on option in settings on a Bar or actual number of miles left to empty or recharge. Thanks again for the great info! 🙂
The dealer let me use a Lyric for 3 days. Full disclosure: I have a 2022 Tesla Models S Long Range and a 2020 Tesla Model 3 Standard I was extremely impressed with range and range estimates on the Lyric. Fit and finish were generally good. Ride and comfort were great. Good many things were broken on my Lyric. Navigation did not work (unless you used Apple CarPlay) Fast charging did not work. Would not charge with my level 2 Tesla charger with adapter. Dealer told me the car was having "shutdown issues" I did not experience these issues. A little too much plastic for a $70k car Tech was a bit lacking. Wireless Apple CarPlay worked flawlessly. I hope Tesla is watching. And surround camera was great. Not much App help without spending a good amount on subscription. Tesla Premium connectivity is $99 a year. I believe the Lyric was almost $500 for a year. Overall, I was impressed. Much better than the Volt, Bolt or the Mach E.
I would love one. But I’m not waiting on a list for five years. Gm really messed up on getting there vehicles out fast. The wait times are insane. I cancelled my Silverado Ev and got a polestar 3 coming March 2024. Can’t wait
That’s a fantastic range result. But be aware other publications are coming up with about 230 miles at 75 mph on the all wheel drive model which isn’t exactly fantastic. For most people maybe it would be smarter to buy the real wheel drive, since the acceleration doesn’t differ that much.
While the faster AWD will be more fun to whip around, the RWD is what I ordered since I want the range. Tom's video has me excited for my future Lyriq. It is expected to go into production this coming week!
You should never really in real life let your car get to under 10 miles of range left, so “low” seems fine. At that point you better be close to a charger.
Tom, the Tesla model 3 does NOT have 102 kwh battery pack. Put a 102 kwh pack in a Tesla 3 and it would blow the range test. Also, I thought you had a Dual motor model 3. Great job for GM.
Nice to see an Ultium vehicle deliver the range. Not that many looks so far. Nice to see it. >EPA!! One question. About 4 times I heard sounds like suspension / rattle noises, presumably when you went over road imperfections. Surprised me that a Cadilac would be anything more than silent on the highway. Maybe an OBD-II based monitor would be worth it for state of charge data when running a GM vehicle range test since they don’t show percent or estimate of final miles left. Thanks again!!
re: "About 4 times I heard sounds like suspension / rattle noises, presumably when you went over road imperfections. Surprised me that a Cadilac would be anything more than silent on the highway." easy fix Dave, you're just going to have to "come off the dime" for a ROLLS ROYCE SPECTRE (admittedly i'm dying to take one for a spin, so let me drive it for a day once you take delivery).🤙
GM does the "Low" warning in their gas engines, too. I think they always have. I had a 2009 Cobalt SS with the 2.0L Turbo. It had a 13.7 gallon tank; got around 33 MPG on the highway. I drove from Rochester, NY to Laurel, MD (approx. 420 miles) and as I got to the Baltimore Beltway, my miles remaining changed to "Low (Fuel)" and I guessed my way back home. I put a little over 12.5 gallons in it when I got home, so I figured I was down around a gallon left when the numbers disappeared. GM forces me to do math when I run my cars (both ICE and EV) too low. Excellent episode in the Lyriq! Very impressive range.
22:06 I actually don't mind that the range estimate goes away below 5% battery. From a liability standpoint, you don't want to encourage people to push the last 5 to 10 miles only to have them come up short. Especially without being able to account for terrain. The bigger issue is that they don't include the SOC in actual percentages, so when the Range Estimator is unavailable, it leaves the driver without any other information. So I think a flashing "LOW" is fine, but they need to include the SOC % along with that.
@@lanceareadbhar I think GM started including a small bottom buffer with their Ultium products. I haven't seen anyone drive one to completely empty yet, and most LYRIQ owners are reporting between 102 kWh and 104 kWh used at "LOW." Based on the double-stack Ultium pack being 212-213 kWh usable, this LYRIQ pack should be 106-106.5 kWh from full to completely dead.
re: "From a liability standpoint, you don't want to encourage people to push the last 5 to 10 miles only to have them come up short." don't worry Tommy Molo' knows, as you likely recall he was told this by myself (and possibly a few others) back nearly 2 years ago. as you recognize it is indeed GM's protection against all the SRI ("Stockton Rush Idiots") we've now got walking among us in society. yeah, something that NEVER crosses the mind of the layperson on the street (with no education and no work experience) is that the Engineers working at General Motors and all the other OEMS are in fact SMARTER than they are.
@@rogerstarkey5390 I think everyone is in agreement that GM needs to include the actual, observed battery percentage, but battery percentage is not estimated range. GM's Range Estimator is predictive, but when the battery gets that low, any number of factors could add or cut actual miles from the predicted range. The messaging starting long before that point is, "Get to a charger ASAP." The driver should have already set navigation for a charging point that is within the predicted range long before the range estimate ever goes away. What Tom is asking for is a feature that literally only matters to and adds value for someone who is trying to complete exhaust the battery. The average consumer would never even think to ask for that feature, and where I would disagree with Tom here is that, GM's omission of the range estimate under 5% is actually proof that their engineers know quite a lot about driving EVs. They know exactly what the average EV owner would try to do with that knowledge if it was available (i.e., push the car to its absolute limits even when it's not advisable to do so).
Another good video Tom. I’ll have to have you test my Fisker Ocean 🌊 Extreme once I get, if one of my #FiskerFamily doesn’t hit you up first.😎 Love your videos!
Awesome testing as usual. Also good on GM to over deliver. As much as I love the driving dynamics and looks of my 2019 Model 3 SR+ the EPA rated range almost left me stranded on a mountain pass my very first drive home. I gave myself an extra 50 miles and rolled into the driveway with one mile remaining after slowing down to 45mph. Tesla's EPA rating as my least trusted now. I know it's based on the EPA 5 cycle test and all but it's still a disappointment for most new owners. I thought I had 223miles of range but in winter its more like 170. If GM played the same Tesla game they could probably advertise this as 380 miles of range.
@@SDot-dp9xmno, Tesla says one thing on range , but my several Teslas have never gotten their dated range. Never. So, it’s not just EPA, but also Tesla touting their range. My Bolt was more accurate on EPA range than Tesla.
Nyland standardized real world tests show EPA range exceeded on all Teslas. th-cam.com/video/V1rf6H_el84/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/KJpz5imqW5U/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/YNTMXiAHw-4/w-d-xo.html
@@SDot-dp9xm Yes and No. Tesla chooses which EPA test to use. They choose the 5 cycle test which is more work but also gives less conservative values. In addition the manufacturer can also choose to lower their range value if they want. Porche Tycan is an example of that. They know many of their users drive fast and would see far less than EPA results so they over promise. GM is probably doing the same with this car. Also most manufacturers show a GOM which is adjust based on driving. Tesla is the only one who displays EPA range values inside the car which is very misleading. I still love the car and Tesla's tech but their practice of using the 5 cycle EPA test and then showing that value in the car is misleading most new Tesla owners/users. There is a choice in that and Tesla chooses to not give you a GOM on the battery indicator. I've since learned not to Trust that number at all and instead use Trip Projection which is very accurate but I think it's sketchy that they show that EPA range in the car battery meter when it often misleads new users. It should be a GOM or only allow percentage. GM should show percentage and doesn't which sucks also but at least they show a GOM on the battery range.
Good video. Are EV reviewers on different social media platforms doing a disservice to potential consumers with associating EV with track days, this is not the case with ICE vehicles so why is it being done with BEVs. Consumers want to know range, charging, reliability, service support, safety, features, and is it able to get out of its own way for passing not what it can do at the dragstrip...thinking out loud here as its a common talking point with BEV reviewers but not similarly when reviewers of ICE
Tom, I wouldn't want you to be like any other automotive TH-camr be it the EV space or not but it would seem that you would greatly benefit in your testing from using the same car scanner app that Bjorn uses. It's called: car scanner. It's great.
I know all about those and I've decided not to use them. I don't like the optics of it - I think it scares off people new to EVs. You need to hook up some device under the dashboard just so you know what's going on in your car? I use them myself every now and then, but I don't anticipate using them in my videos.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney For sure! In my personal life the app has helped me to make sure my battery is up to temp for DC charging and given me a sense of the power draw of various aspects of the car and how the cooling system seems to work etc. I definitely agree even if I find it lamentable that the average person is not interested in the data their car is producing. Thanks Tom!
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney I don't think Car Scanner can read the Lyriq's PIDs right now besides some basic information. Ultium is quite locked down.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney You don't "Have to" but from a test perspective it's better than just running to "bricked"? . Also gives great information regarding cars like the Hyundai regarding their flaky pack cooling, which explains the erratic charge curve.
Nice video (as usual). I don’t think pulling every last mile out of the battery is really a reasonable bench mark test but does (Perhaps) give someone ultimate range in an emergency situation (no charging stations nearby or charging station not working). I think it might be more reasonable to drive at 70 mph until the battery is around 5% state of charge, then estimate the range based upon the average mi/kWH. That could possibly eliminate the lower mph trying to drain the battery to zero. Of course, actual range is going to depend upon active time events including traffic density and speed, wind speed and direction, and ambient temperatures. Would be interesting to know how towing impacts the range and efficiency. The only reason for concern of range is the longer time to charge and EV versus ICE and the lack of infrastructure in out of the way places (rural areas). Otherwise, their would be no reason to consider range testing. I don’t ever recall such a concern for ICE and diesel vehicles. Also, their has never been much concern about the accuracy of remaining fuel as for battery state. Are we becoming technology geeks? Looking forward to charging test info. For most people that is more of a concern than range. If the charging from 10% to 80% can be under 15 minutes, that starts to being an acceptable level. Get that down to less than 10 minutes and that might remove most people’s range anxiety. Thanks again.
Great test, but I've already heard the rant about GM not giving hard numbers on how much battery is left. I have to ask if it really matters in any scenario besides testing. If you've miscalculated by enough to where it matters, you've made a pretty big mistake. Granted, I like to have precise numbers too, but I never let my wife's Bolt get below even 20%, partly because we never road trip with it (99.9% charge at home and seriously, it's a Bolt). Realistically, you should plan on having at least 10%, where your biggest risk is not being able to find a working charger (still a real risk, hopefully that risk is declining).
20:52 did you mean to say 328 miles when you pulled off the highway and stopped going 70 mph? 228 miles would be really bad. 328 miles is simply astounding.
My BMW i4 e40 gets 3.0 mi/kWh on the highway when the temperature is below 10 degrees F. On nice summer days it gets 3.8 to 4.0. The Lyriq is inefficient but saved by the humongous battery.
Within similar windows of range, range figures between cars doesn’t matter on long trips with multiple charging stops. If charging from 10% to 80%, charging speeds and efficiency are also very important factors.
Crazy that the car has been out so long and they're just now getting samples out for testing. The entire ultium range has been such a let down in my opinion.
Not impressive. 3.1miles per kWh is NOT impressive. That's very high consumption for a non commercial vehicle, it is currently consuming 322 watt hours per mile, Amazing would be closer to 200 wh/mile.
@@megaroenythere has been a LOT of delays recently for people who ordered the Lyriq, even if they ordered it a while ago. In fact I’m pretty sure it’s the number one reason I haven’t seen one on the road in person yet. Just ask the people who ordered one and haven’t gotten one yet.
My bZ4X doesn't have a numeric state of charge either! Drives me crazy! I guess the updates in other countries rectified that issue. No update in the US.
300+mi highway range, and what I’d be interested in is the 80A onboard charger, charging at 19.2kW is a monster! Teslas (no longer) don’t charge at that rate!
Thanks for running this test. I find the results a bit misleading as emphasis is not placed on the kWh size of the battery when you compare results to your Model 3. A better comparison would be miles per kWh. Range can always be improved by adding more kWh to the battery! Looking forward to the charging curve video.
Misleading how? I'm confused. I'm sure there are number of differences between the Lyriq and the Model 3 including weight for example which gives the Model 3 AT LEAST a 1,000lb advantage considering the Lyriq RWD comes in at 5,500lbs compared to the Model 3's 3,800lb-4,000lb weight range. It was just a quick mention anyway and the video wasn't a comparison between the two vehicles anyway. I will say that it's not surprising to see real world examples of a Tesla get beat in range once you take their preposterous range claims off the table and actually look at real world results. Tesla has been overinflating their range numbers since the company's been in existence. It's always refreshing when a manufacturer exceeds their EPA ranges.
@@genesishep Thanks for your comments. Let me explain. I believe Tom when he says the Lyric got 330+ miles in his test and that is a good result as it beat the Manufacturers estimate. The misleading part is the lack of emphasis on the fact it took 100+kWh to get it done. Leave out the reference to "Tesla" as that looks like a trigger point to you and interject most any other EV's numbers to compare. The Lyric averaged 3.1 miles/kWh and others range between 4-5+ miles/kWh. That's a more representative number to look at. Much like the claims in charging you need to look at the charging curve and not the max charging number.
The worst is the Chevy Bolts plugged into 350Kw dispensers, when 150's are available. It appears EA has started to equip new sites with all dispensers rated at 350Kw, which should eliminate the issue with uneducated drivers, or the scenario where they arrive and the only open site is a 350Kw.
At EVGO I find that at 100 amps and 125 amp stations the bolt will charge at a maximum of 45 kWh. Using the 350kWh stations of Electrify America I see 54 kWh. The charging is already slow on Bolt so I much rather get the near 55 kWh promised from 5 % SOC to 35% SOC which is 22% faster. If using EA stations I look for stations that only have Ultra fast. I also would not have a problem moving to a slower charger once speeds hit 43 kWh.
I moved to Fairfield, CT at the end of last year. If you're ever in the area I'd love to chat EVs or if you're doing any EV events I'd glady drive to NJ. I have a Model 3 LR (2022 year).
27:08 fantastic job in my opinion, 330 miles at 70 m/h for a 105 kWh battery... - But how efficient is it, don't the Tesla Model Y have similar range with only 80 kWh battery?
Lyric is clearly less efficient, as reflected by its much worse MPGe ratings. That’s partly because Lyriq is MUCH larger than MY (10” longer, 8” wider, 1100 lbs heavier) though it has less total storage space than the Tesla (somewhat due to the large MY frunk and trunk-well). Luxury vs Efficiency
Great video Tom. So I can't get quite that amount of range on mine - more like 2.5 mi/kWh (255 miles) at 78 MPH (same 20" RWD model). Car and Driver got 270 miles at 75MPH. Your 330 miles and 3.1 mi/kWh is insanely good - especially at 70MPH. So you showed a tire pressure at the start of 42 psi. Can you comment what the tire pressure stabilized at when you were well underway on the trip? Am thinking that helps things a bit, and also wondering what percentage of the 330 miles was at 70MPH.
I think around 44 psi, but I only checked once. You should always inflate and set the tires to the proper pressure when they are cold. I do the same thing with all of the vehicles I range test.
Speed and climate control will make that difference. He didn’t have the AC on (1.5kWh in 5 hours is just a fan). Any heating or AC will take 5-20% of the range he got. Plus, 78mph is probably 10-15% worse for range than 70mph. Ballpark numbers but it adds up.
@@colbyconner3206 Factoring out differences, Tom's numbers here for the Lyriq exceed what myself and other owners are seeing under same conditions. 3.1 mi / kWh hasn't been achievable at 70 MPH continuous. Also greater than EPA for mixed highway/city driving. Tom mentioned driving for 5 hours - not sure if exactly 5 hours, or more or less. If 5 hours, that is 330 miles / 5 hours = 66 MPH average. If total trip was more than 5 hours, even less true average MPH. Slow downs for traffic, getting to and from the highway, turning around, etc. Also, Tom showed the instrument cluster a few times. When showing a speed of 69 and 70 MPH, 28kW was being shown. Using that number, 102kWh battery / 28kW draw = 3.64 hours of travel before battery would be depleted. And if that is at 70MPH, that is only 255 miles traveled (or 2.5 mi / kWh). I don't know how that kW draw varied from the 28kW shown on the cluster in those couple shots (surely not a perfectly flat road), but just another indicator that 70MPH wasn't the actual average speed for this run when all slow downs are considered. So the test shows valid results when comparing against other vehicles on this same trek, assuming similar slow downs along the way and same ideal conditions. But if you really only drive a highway speed of 70MPH, efficiency will be lower than 3.1 mi / kWh shown here - with correspondingly lower range also. 300 miles more realistic for true 70 MPH.
@@billjohnson3344 So I did drive for over 5 hours. But that includes driving to a DC fast charger from my home and then charging back up to 100% before beginning the range test. I do that for 2 reasons. First, to get the battery nice and warm for peak performance, and second, so I can jump right onto the highway from the charging station and immediately begin driving at 70 mph. As for not being able to achieve 3.0/3.1 mi/kWh, I will put my money where my mouth is. If anyone wants to come here and duplicate the range test with me I will do it with them in the car. If the vehicle doesn't average more than 3.0 miles per kWh, I have to pay the $500/day Turo rental fee. If it does average that, you have to pay for the rental. I'm confident it will because I just did it and drove 70 mph the entire time except for when I had to turn around 4 times. The only thing is we need to do it on a day with little wind as I experienced (2-3mph) and temperatures in the 70s which was perfect range weather. 😁
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Yeah, it's all good - I don't think anyone is doubting the 330 miles range, nor 3.1 mi/kWh efficiency of your test. The issue is - what is the true AVERAGE speed for that particular drive? By setting the cruise at 70MPH - that's just the max speed possible, and only correct if 100% of those 330 miles was at that speed. Need to factor in all the other slower speed driving that was included for the 330 miles - traffic where ACC slowed down, loops, on-off, and any included local driving. You even mentioned driving through construction areas, with lane shifts and next to concrete barriers - would think at a slower speed there also. Can all be confirmed with one metric, your total travel time. So if you take your total miles traveled (330 mi) over your total time traveled, that will be your average speed for this test. Perhaps you know that total travel time from 0 to 330 miles? I see an end time of 11:41AM on the car when you pull into the parking lot, but looked back through the video and don't have a shot that shows the time when you started and zero'd the trip. Perhaps you have your start time in your raw video footage. As you surely know, 330 miles divided by that total time (in hours) will yield that real average MPH. This is going to be a number less than 70MPH no mater how you slice it - just a question of how much slower. So yeah, your test is valid - just needs to be specified at the true speed to be meaningful for comparison. Those expecting to go continuous 70MPH and get 3.1 mi/kWh for the trek is just a tad overly optimistic. This is a good car - just not quite that good. For an average speed of 65 MPH (which might be what your test actually was) - totally onboard with the figures. And as you said, surely had the ideal driving conditions for a best case outing.
It's interesting how he's apparently using SuperCruise but doesn't mention it till about three minutes in. And it makes sense that SuperCruise would disengage when approaching construction zones in that it sounds like the system is being cautious, after all, it's not like that construction was happening when the highway was originally mapped, and I think it's a safer way to go than what Tesla seems to do.
This tracks well with our experience. My dad got a RWD Lyriq and routinely gets a 330-350 mile range estimate. We are in CA and in ideal climate conditions. And he drives more city than hwy. Having said that, the Lyriq seems to be more conservative than my Bolt (I've had 2 - 2017 and 2020). Bolt is usually spot on its EPA for me. The Lyriq has never been below for us. Friends' Teslas are always lower than EPA in my area.
My Bolt was spot on as well on EPA range. Much better than my Tesla, which way overestimated range.
Same with my gen 2 Volt, it will vary a bit depending if I have been doing more city or highway driving though. It's nice to have the backup generator even though I almost never use it.
The correct metric is not RANGE, it's Watt hours per mile. Just like on ICE cars the correct metric is MPG, not how far you can drive on one tank. Geez the ignorance here.
@@gaviriajj No, it's nothing like ICE cars. The difference is the charging infrastructure, which is not yet ubiquitous like gas stations. On an ICE vehicle, you know you're always within a short distance of a gas station, so you have the luxury to care more about MPG. With an EV, you care more about making it to the next charging station, which might be 50 or 100 miles away. So, until they build out the charging infrastructure, range is what you care about on an EV road trip.
how's this car in the winter during all the snow and storms
I have to say the car really looks nice in black. I think it is the best looking EV out today
Just received my Lyriq a few days ago and I love it!
Congratulations!
How long were you on the waiting list? Is it a 2023 Debut Edition? My 2023 DE order was rolled over to a 2024 Lux 2 AWD and have been waiting 13 months. Still the dealer has no idea when my car will arrive 😡.
While others have dropped off the list, I’m going to wait since all reviews I have read say it is worth the wait.
Lyriqs are great
@@FoamCrusher I ordered my 2024 Sport 3 AWD Lyriq at the end of November 2022. It is now mid April 2024 and I got a call from the dealer yesterday that my vehicle has FINALLY been invoiced by the factory. They say that means it will be about 2-3 weeks until they have it. It was on a parts hold since December 2023. I can't wait. There is a 60A 240V circuit in the garage from when I had a MIG welder there, so its spot is waiting...
@@WadjasayCannatearya Congratulations! I finally gave up and found a Jan 19, 2024 built Lux 3 AWD with 20” wheels (factory deletion with $1000 credit) at a dealer 80 miles away. And it was not packed with every factory option the dealer could order which was common on the other Lux 3’s I saw. What finally push me to buy it, was that was delivered a day before my COSTCO $1000 credit was due to expire on March 1. I found out later that the car I ordered was delivered to the dealer about March 18 on a Dec 31, 2023 build from my original May 25, 2022 ordered DE.
With all of the credits (GM Ultium Promise, GM Private Offer, wheel size deletion and COSTCO) it was only a little more expensive than the Lux 2 that I had originally ordered and had more features. I only had to compromise on the interior color. Now I just have to see if I can keep the almost white seats clean.
Was it worth the wait? Absolutely. Would I choose to go through that GM information blackout and secrecy again? Absolutely not.
You will really enjoy the car. Head turning style, quiet luxury with plenty of power. There is nothing on the market even close to its MSRP that can match it.
The EV competition heats up, great to see and looking forward to more upcoming models being tested.
The weather has been great for EV ranges. I'd love to see how the Ioniq 6 SE models with the 18 inch wheels do in this weather.
It’s hot in Joisey. He was running AC.
Great review. Was waiting for this for long time. Got 2k Miles in 4 weeks on my Lyriq. Did 1300 mile road trip 8k feet elevation climb twice temp from 80 to 110 4 passengers full loaded trunk mostly hwy driving around 75mph averaged 2.7 miles per kw.
Is yours the 2wd version as well?
@@kenhiett5266 yes same specs as one Tom tested but black interior.
We had a reservation for the Lyriq over a year ago and waited until last week to give it up. We were not getting any info on when we could make our production order and my better half was really getting feed up waiting for her car. Watching this video makes me wish I had kept that reservation, we ended up with the Q8 E-tron which was way more, in price and range. Still a nice car, but if the Lyriq checks off this box of range and can charge like a beast if you are still waiting don't second guess your self like I did. I saw some pictures of the 24 AMD and the updated the door handles to be normal not buttons and I heard the charge port now opens smooth. Again, great video Tom and looking forward to the charging curve, I expect that to be really good. GM has hit it out of the park if they can pass these two tests, they just need to deliver vehicles. The wait was killing us.
Sad that Cadillac is treating many new-to-Cadillac customers like that.
re: "We had a reservation for the Lyriq over a year ago and waited until last week to give it up." well that'll learn ya. re: "Watching this video makes me wish I had kept that reservation" see...? see...? while both are technically SUV's of sorts don't confuse the Lyriq with the Cybertruck.
Don’t be sorry theLinuxdude you got a FAR better car with an Audi than a crapillac. You have precision German engineering, unlike GM that slow rolled out a car “to find out all the mistakes.” You don’t want a car that had to find out the mistakes while you are driving it. It is why the entire first years run were recalled and placed as show pieces in the showrooms, can’t be test driven, can’t be turned on. You want a car that was designed, tested, and built once they ironed all, the kinks out. If Biden had not bailed out this company with trillions of yours and my tax dollars then it would be beside Pontiac and Oldsmobile.
Agree with you about the range going to "LOW". I have a Bolt EUV and I hate that.
Tom- I appreciate all the time and effort that you put into these tests, plus the editing!
Great video. I have a Lyriq on order and when it comes in next decade I will have this great information. I appreciate all your videos. I am also in the works for establishing Ev charging stations in our condo community to owner’s individual deeded parking spaces, so I would appreciate any videos regarding the challenges with tapping directly off our individual power meters providing 100 amp service to each condo.
Tom, all GM vehicles subtract regenerated energy from the consumed energy. If you pay close attention to the energy used you'll see the amount used will reduce while regenerating.
I love my @Cadillac Lyriq. Especially using my Grizzle Charger! Thanks Tom!
I’ve had my Debut Edition since September. I have over 12,000 miles, and the vehicle has been a dream. The Super Cruise, and the vehicle, sets a new standard!
Hi, Have you ever tried Tesla's FSD? I am looking for honest comparison if you ever had an opportunity to try the FSD. Thanks.
Been looking forward to a review of this car for a long time
Good looking car Tom. It’s stunning. Glad to see you on the Joisey Turnpike.
Thanks for the test. We have one on order and this helps solidify our confidence in the choice.
Great video Tom, thanks for making us smarter. I own a 2023 Lyriq and I took it from NY to DC, around 250 miles trip in about 25-28 degrees cold weather. My intimal estimates (so did the car) was to stop once to re-charge but the battery was discharging a lot faster rate than expected which made me stop twice for recharging. I attribute that to the cold weather, would you agree? Thanks!
Pretty darned good. Anything over 3m/kWh on the freeway is a solid result, especially for a tall car.
Immensely impressive. GM really worked hard on the Ultium architecture. I just hope they can scale up and start deliveries to customers.
Ultium architecture is doomed. They have to use way more storage than their peers to do the same work. Therefore, they can never be price competitive.
@@ultrastoat3298it’s funny a how many people don’t realize the catch with large batteries. When GM makes thirsty gas car, it’s only on consumer paying more for gas, it doesn’t really cost more to put a bigger tank in. But with BEV it cuts both ways, the larger the battery the more it costs to make, so they either charge very high price, or lose money on all cars. Not a good position to be in, that is for sure.
@@ultrastoat3298You sound like an complete idiot that’s scared. Neither you nor mxs8102 has proof that *gm* is losing money and their EVs aren’t profitable. Y’all are literally talking straight out of your asses.
@@ultrastoat3298also to say a highly price competitive vehicle like the Cadillac Lyriq can’t be price competitive although it already is, it’s so asinine and a testament to your lack of brain power. 🤡 *gm* is laughing.
Are you kidding? A Tesla Model Y could go just as far with a 30% smaller battery!
Great video. My 2023 bolt is a little frustrating with the “low” on the dashboard. You are right about the app though, I can see the miles and percentage left with the “my chevrolet app.” I did a range test at 55 mph in it to see… lol also, I just started a TH-cam channel and tried to add several short videos of the range test…. I’m new and not sure how to blend my videos. I’m working on that though….. thanks again
This bodes well for the upcoming Blazer EV and related Hondas
Great reviuw as always!
So.... I have seen Yt channels claiming that "GM is going out of business soon" and some real "interesting" comments about the CEO...
Anyway, this EV is badass, well done GM
We just returned from Tampa to Charlotte in our Lyriq (vid in chan) and as a road trip vehicle, it is the best I have ever owned. I agree the battery percent needs a number. We also own a Volvo XC40 recharge and they were missing range in miles when it first came out, but added it via an OTA update later. I am assuming GM will too as the Ultium cars get owner feedback. Thx for the vid. I enjoyed watching, as always.
GM has never had % next to their battery range all the way back to the Volt days... just little tick marks at the 75 50 25 spots.
My Lyriq has a number and %.
Nice job, Tom!
Really great job on this video Tom. Lots of great information. The theory about why the pack has more than the stated usable energy is interesting. Sounds reasonable. This vehicle definitely has an excellent powertrain.
The exact capacity will vary a little from one pack to another. In this particular test, the conditions were perfect.
As a spark EV owner, YES, tho it's a rare GM EV, it too can not be taken to zero comfortably. It's also hard to push.
Hey TOM! Another great video! I’m so glad you were very happy with the lyric. I know they haven’t sold very many yet but it’s really good to know that there are good EV options finally coming out.
Before your next range test, look up and try foundation training for your back. I like the original 12 minute version. Very helpful. You can also do a quick session while you recharge. It really helps my back before and after trips.
What's the foundation back training?
Good EV options? Wow, just wow.
First time I have seen your channel. Great review. Clear and concise. Thanks
Scariest part of these videos is Tom with a depleted battery, pulling into a non-Tesla charging station. My experience has been that charging at Electrify America or EVGo or other non-Tesla station is hit or miss. And with a depleted battery, you don't want to miss. I wouldn't look at a non-Tesla EV until Tesla's charging infrastructure is available. The others are just not as reliable. Great Video Tom!!!
Hey Prof, I hope all is well. So, I get that the reliability isn't 100%, but I will say this. You know I've been driving EVs for 14 years now, and using DC fast chargers for nearly that long. Only 1 time was I not able to charge when I arrived at a DC fast charge station in the many, many times I have used them. Yes, often I needed to call customer service to assist me in getting it to work, and other times I needed to try multiple plugs to find one working, and other times the station didn't deliver as much power as it was supposed to, but I always left charged, even if it wasn't a great, seamless experience.
I'd like to see what the AWD 600 4e does in this test before I commit. It's between a new AWD version of this or a used Model X, but the hwy range capability is a priority for my needs. I have my doubts that the significantly more powerful AWD can come close, but if it does, GM will earn my money.
Me and my wife just received ours last week. We love them!!
Actually on my 2020 Bolt ev and now 2022 Bolt EUV I noticed in used energy when you regen it rolls back the numbers.
Great video, Tom. I'm keeping the Lyriq pretty high on my list of vehicles to consider next, especially if they flip the CCS port over to the front right before making the switch to NACS. Until then, that car will be a terrible neighbor at Tesla superchargers.
thanks for this information, really appreciated
Good video. And thanks for the comment at about 19:50 to slow down to increase range. In reality if people followed the speed limit and stayed in the right lane pacing the traffic there would be less close calls, accidents, and road rage overall..
Tom, great video as always! That is great range, at this rate, GM should advertise it as 375 mile range (12% above its actual range) just like all other EVs. But at the end of the day, it is still 100+Kwh, imagine if the model Y had 100kwh pack, it would get 400+miles of range.
Shhhhh! 😉
Why would you compare Lyriq to Y. Two totally different cars. Before you say somthing just compare tire size of both vehicles. Imagine if Y have same tire size will not even touch 200 miles.
@@8bajwa8huh? So if tesla put 20" wheels that are more narrow like the lyriq the range would plummet nearly 80 miles ? I'm pretty sure you're making things up
@@texanmonke typical tesla fan boy. Go look at tire size and come back and admit tesla fans have tunnel vision.
I have been in some gas cars that also report "low" when the tank is close to dry. I think some engineer/manager/or lawyer selected this to basically tell the driver, fill up now, we do not assure anything from this point on.
Great video! I test drove a 2024 AWD Lyriq yesterday and was very impressed with the power and overall comfort. I presently own a 2022 Audi e-tron, when comparing the two, I find the Lyriq has more road noise but is far more comfortable, and has better range. I have dual charge ports and would like to see dual ports on the Lyriq or, preferably, have a standard front location on all vehicles so that the EVSE location won’t matter in a garage or charge location. As of today, my next vehicle will be the Lyriq.
My favorite is the Bolt on a 350kw charger 🔌. That is monster range!
Lol
Thanks Tom, I'm smarter now about my Lyriq because of you, THNK YOU!!
I would like to see you Test Drive the AWD Lyriq & compare it against the Rear Wheel Drive to the see the difference in the range, the average motorist does not drive 300 miles a day, so the Lyriq is a great vehicle for the price👍🏾👍🏾
300+ miles of range with AWD in a vehicle as spacious and luxurious as this is perfect for middle-high class American families. This vehicle would sell well even at $10k-15k above it’s peak price because of it’s practicality. The engineering speaks for itself when you drive it but the _Lyriq’s_ design is the icing on the cake for me!
Ford EVs give you the same information about where your power went; trip, HVAC, external temps, etc.
Yeah, a few other EVs do also. I wish all EV did, though.
I am not a GM fan, since they scuttled my SAAB brand, and stranded me. However, it is nice to see GM under promising, and over delivering. Kudos to them. I have owned 8 Caddy’s. I used to buy them from Scott Motors in Reno, from AJ Reck, the salesman with a name you can never forget. But, they lost me forever as a customer in 2008. My 4 Audi’s have measured up quite well since then. (eTron is the newest)
My Son bought one.... So I will see and drive it next month, can't wait.
I'd definitely be in the market for a used Lyric in a few years.
Nice job Tom! Can’t wait your range test with the new Fisker Ocean One ;)
i really like the old gen1 volt telling me exactly how many kw's are going where. helps me drive more efficiently up hills where i can keep a steady input power while letting my speed sag by 5-10 mph. getting 5miles/kwh on the hwy at 60-65mph, crazy
Tom, your highway mileage tests are the gold standard of believability. EPA estimates, not so much.
I thought he clearly explained, EPA does not provide 70 mph range. Btw., the EPA tests are not performed on roads and AFAIK they are performed by the automotive manufacturers.
That rearview mirror certainly vibrates. Wow!
Can't wait to see the AWD Lyriq results
Nice review as usual Tom!
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I have a 2021 Tesla Model Y long range. I’ve found that holding a steady speed is the best way to get the maximum range. That said, I fully agree with your comments regarding exceeding 75 miles per hour and its affect on efficiency.
Enjoyed the Vid and I will addGM does not give you a number on range for their gas engines. I have a Cadillac SRX 2013 and when I reach 40 miles, it then gives you a LOW reading so you have to remember to find a gas station. When I first bought the SUV, I ran out of gas because I wasn't paying attention. LOL I really like the Lyriq and watching the reviews. I agree with you, it should be at least on option in settings on a Bar or actual number of miles left to empty or recharge. Thanks again for the great info! 🙂
The dealer let me use a Lyric for 3 days.
Full disclosure: I have a 2022 Tesla Models S Long Range and a 2020 Tesla Model 3 Standard
I was extremely impressed with range and range estimates on the Lyric. Fit and finish were generally good. Ride and comfort were great.
Good many things were broken on my Lyric.
Navigation did not work (unless you used Apple CarPlay)
Fast charging did not work.
Would not charge with my level 2 Tesla charger with adapter.
Dealer told me the car was having "shutdown issues" I did not experience these issues.
A little too much plastic for a $70k car
Tech was a bit lacking. Wireless Apple CarPlay worked flawlessly. I hope Tesla is watching. And surround camera was great.
Not much App help without spending a good amount on subscription. Tesla Premium connectivity is $99 a year. I believe the Lyric was almost $500 for a year.
Overall, I was impressed. Much better than the Volt, Bolt or the Mach E.
Excellent explanation ., keep up the good work.
I would love one. But I’m not waiting on a list for five years. Gm really messed up on getting there vehicles out fast. The wait times are insane. I cancelled my Silverado Ev and got a polestar 3 coming March 2024. Can’t wait
GM has not built an EV factory. They announced 3+ BATTERY factories - good. But trying to make an EV in a disused Saturn building ain't workin' out.
That’s a fantastic range result. But be aware other publications are coming up with about 230 miles at 75 mph on the all wheel drive model which isn’t exactly fantastic. For most people maybe it would be smarter to buy the real wheel drive, since the acceleration doesn’t differ that much.
While the faster AWD will be more fun to whip around, the RWD is what I ordered since I want the range. Tom's video has me excited for my future Lyriq. It is expected to go into production this coming week!
This is really low, as the increased aerodynamic drag is only 15% higher at 75 mph.
Other publics
dubious outliers no doubt
Prove it. What are the other publications? Sounds like nonsense losing 100 miles of range for 5 miles an hour more.
You should never really in real life let your car get to under 10 miles of range left, so “low” seems fine. At that point you better be close to a charger.
Tom, the Tesla model 3 does NOT have 102 kwh battery pack. Put a 102 kwh pack in a Tesla 3 and it would blow the range test. Also, I thought you had a Dual motor model 3. Great job for GM.
Thank you!
Ioniq 5 gives you all the consumption info but navigating the screens could be more intuitive.
Nice to see an Ultium vehicle deliver the range. Not that many looks so far. Nice to see it. >EPA!!
One question. About 4 times I heard sounds like suspension / rattle noises, presumably when you went over road imperfections. Surprised me that a Cadilac would be anything more than silent on the highway.
Maybe an OBD-II based monitor would be worth it for state of charge data when running a GM vehicle range test since they don’t show percent or estimate of final miles left.
Thanks again!!
re: "About 4 times I heard sounds like suspension / rattle noises, presumably when you went over road imperfections. Surprised me that a Cadilac would be anything more than silent on the highway." easy fix Dave, you're just going to have to "come off the dime" for a ROLLS ROYCE SPECTRE (admittedly i'm dying to take one for a spin, so let me drive it for a day once you take delivery).🤙
330 with a 102 kWh pack isn't "Amazing".... Not really.
"Adequate" is closer to the mark.
GM does the "Low" warning in their gas engines, too. I think they always have. I had a 2009 Cobalt SS with the 2.0L Turbo. It had a 13.7 gallon tank; got around 33 MPG on the highway. I drove from Rochester, NY to Laurel, MD (approx. 420 miles) and as I got to the Baltimore Beltway, my miles remaining changed to "Low (Fuel)" and I guessed my way back home. I put a little over 12.5 gallons in it when I got home, so I figured I was down around a gallon left when the numbers disappeared. GM forces me to do math when I run my cars (both ICE and EV) too low. Excellent episode in the Lyriq! Very impressive range.
Great video Tom
The lyriq is the GOAT.
Great info. I'm interested in a comparison of the Lyric to it's cousin the Chevy Blazer EV.
Splendid video. Learning about EVs now. Love your channel. I just subscribed.
22:06 I actually don't mind that the range estimate goes away below 5% battery. From a liability standpoint, you don't want to encourage people to push the last 5 to 10 miles only to have them come up short. Especially without being able to account for terrain. The bigger issue is that they don't include the SOC in actual percentages, so when the Range Estimator is unavailable, it leaves the driver without any other information. So I think a flashing "LOW" is fine, but they need to include the SOC % along with that.
SOC is definitely needed with a buffer zone as well so that 0% displayed is not actually 0%. The miles are not nearly as important as the SOC.
@@lanceareadbhar I think GM started including a small bottom buffer with their Ultium products. I haven't seen anyone drive one to completely empty yet, and most LYRIQ owners are reporting between 102 kWh and 104 kWh used at "LOW." Based on the double-stack Ultium pack being 212-213 kWh usable, this LYRIQ pack should be 106-106.5 kWh from full to completely dead.
re: "From a liability standpoint, you don't want to encourage people to push the last 5 to 10 miles only to have them come up short." don't worry Tommy Molo' knows, as you likely recall he was told this by myself (and possibly a few others) back nearly 2 years ago. as you recognize it is indeed GM's protection against all the SRI ("Stockton Rush Idiots") we've now got walking among us in society. yeah, something that NEVER crosses the mind of the layperson on the street (with no education and no work experience) is that the Engineers working at General Motors and all the other OEMS are in fact SMARTER than they are.
There's a point of view that below 5-10% is exactly when you DO want to know the percentage.
@@rogerstarkey5390 I think everyone is in agreement that GM needs to include the actual, observed battery percentage, but battery percentage is not estimated range. GM's Range Estimator is predictive, but when the battery gets that low, any number of factors could add or cut actual miles from the predicted range. The messaging starting long before that point is, "Get to a charger ASAP." The driver should have already set navigation for a charging point that is within the predicted range long before the range estimate ever goes away.
What Tom is asking for is a feature that literally only matters to and adds value for someone who is trying to complete exhaust the battery. The average consumer would never even think to ask for that feature, and where I would disagree with Tom here is that, GM's omission of the range estimate under 5% is actually proof that their engineers know quite a lot about driving EVs. They know exactly what the average EV owner would try to do with that knowledge if it was available (i.e., push the car to its absolute limits even when it's not advisable to do so).
Eagerly awaiting the charging video. I'd like to see if GM had improved the ultimum charging since the hummer.
That's going to take me a bit. The DC fast charging videos require a LOT of editing. Maybe 10 to 14 days from now...
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney that's fine....I won't be able to buy an equinox before then so I can wait, lol
Just bought a 2024 Lyric for my Rideshare / livery Business
Another good video Tom. I’ll have to have you test my Fisker Ocean 🌊 Extreme once I get, if one of my #FiskerFamily doesn’t hit you up first.😎 Love your videos!
Awesome testing as usual. Also good on GM to over deliver. As much as I love the driving dynamics and looks of my 2019 Model 3 SR+ the EPA rated range almost left me stranded on a mountain pass my very first drive home. I gave myself an extra 50 miles and rolled into the driveway with one mile remaining after slowing down to 45mph. Tesla's EPA rating as my least trusted now. I know it's based on the EPA 5 cycle test and all but it's still a disappointment for most new owners. I thought I had 223miles of range but in winter its more like 170. If GM played the same Tesla game they could probably advertise this as 380 miles of range.
Sorry to hear... but Epa range is just that... nothing to do with Tesla
@@SDot-dp9xmno, Tesla says one thing on range , but my several Teslas have never gotten their dated range. Never. So, it’s not just EPA, but also Tesla touting their range. My Bolt was more accurate on EPA range than Tesla.
Nyland standardized real world tests show EPA range exceeded on all Teslas. th-cam.com/video/V1rf6H_el84/w-d-xo.html
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@letsgobrandon5800 my ice Toyota does the same... whats your point...blame the epa not the manufacturer
@@SDot-dp9xm Yes and No. Tesla chooses which EPA test to use. They choose the 5 cycle test which is more work but also gives less conservative values. In addition the manufacturer can also choose to lower their range value if they want. Porche Tycan is an example of that. They know many of their users drive fast and would see far less than EPA results so they over promise. GM is probably doing the same with this car. Also most manufacturers show a GOM which is adjust based on driving. Tesla is the only one who displays EPA range values inside the car which is very misleading. I still love the car and Tesla's tech but their practice of using the 5 cycle EPA test and then showing that value in the car is misleading most new Tesla owners/users. There is a choice in that and Tesla chooses to not give you a GOM on the battery indicator. I've since learned not to Trust that number at all and instead use Trip Projection which is very accurate but I think it's sketchy that they show that EPA range in the car battery meter when it often misleads new users. It should be a GOM or only allow percentage. GM should show percentage and doesn't which sucks also but at least they show a GOM on the battery range.
Another Great video Tom. Keep up the great work.
Good video. Are EV reviewers on different social media platforms doing a disservice to potential consumers with associating EV with track days, this is not the case with ICE vehicles so why is it being done with BEVs. Consumers want to know range, charging, reliability, service support, safety, features, and is it able to get out of its own way for passing not what it can do at the dragstrip...thinking out loud here as its a common talking point with BEV reviewers but not similarly when reviewers of ICE
Incredibly well done and informative review. Thank you!
Tom, I wouldn't want you to be like any other automotive TH-camr be it the EV space or not but it would seem that you would greatly benefit in your testing from using the same car scanner app that Bjorn uses. It's called: car scanner. It's great.
I know all about those and I've decided not to use them. I don't like the optics of it - I think it scares off people new to EVs. You need to hook up some device under the dashboard just so you know what's going on in your car? I use them myself every now and then, but I don't anticipate using them in my videos.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney For sure! In my personal life the app has helped me to make sure my battery is up to temp for DC charging and given me a sense of the power draw of various aspects of the car and how the cooling system seems to work etc. I definitely agree even if I find it lamentable that the average person is not interested in the data their car is producing. Thanks Tom!
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney I don't think Car Scanner can read the Lyriq's PIDs right now besides some basic information. Ultium is quite locked down.
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You don't "Have to" but from a test perspective it's better than just running to "bricked"?
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Also gives great information regarding cars like the Hyundai regarding their flaky pack cooling, which explains the erratic charge curve.
Nice video (as usual). I don’t think pulling every last mile out of the battery is really a reasonable bench mark test but does (Perhaps) give someone ultimate range in an emergency situation (no charging stations nearby or charging station not working). I think it might be more reasonable to drive at 70 mph until the battery is around 5% state of charge, then estimate the range based upon the average mi/kWH. That could possibly eliminate the lower mph trying to drain the battery to zero. Of course, actual range is going to depend upon active time events including traffic density and speed, wind speed and direction, and ambient temperatures. Would be interesting to know how towing impacts the range and efficiency. The only reason for concern of range is the longer time to charge and EV versus ICE and the lack of infrastructure in out of the way places (rural areas). Otherwise, their would be no reason to consider range testing. I don’t ever recall such a concern for ICE and diesel vehicles. Also, their has never been much concern about the accuracy of remaining fuel as for battery state. Are we becoming technology geeks? Looking forward to charging test info. For most people that is more of a concern than range. If the charging from 10% to 80% can be under 15 minutes, that starts to being an acceptable level. Get that down to less than 10 minutes and that might remove most people’s range anxiety. Thanks again.
Fast charging requires a well designed battery cooling system. The temperature increase should be reported in serious testing.
Great test, but I've already heard the rant about GM not giving hard numbers on how much battery is left. I have to ask if it really matters in any scenario besides testing. If you've miscalculated by enough to where it matters, you've made a pretty big mistake. Granted, I like to have precise numbers too, but I never let my wife's Bolt get below even 20%, partly because we never road trip with it (99.9% charge at home and seriously, it's a Bolt). Realistically, you should plan on having at least 10%, where your biggest risk is not being able to find a working charger (still a real risk, hopefully that risk is declining).
Impressive. Great information
cadillac nailed it
20:52 did you mean to say 328 miles when you pulled off the highway and stopped going 70 mph? 228 miles would be really bad. 328 miles is simply astounding.
Yep 328
My BMW i4 e40 gets 3.0 mi/kWh on the highway when the temperature is below 10 degrees F. On nice summer days it gets 3.8 to 4.0. The Lyriq is inefficient but saved by the humongous battery.
Within similar windows of range, range figures between cars doesn’t matter on long trips with multiple charging stops. If charging from 10% to 80%, charging speeds and efficiency are also very important factors.
The passenger seat looks like he’s sitting beside Beymax from Big Hero 6!
I never saw that …. But now I Can’t unsee it!
@@adofoi30 I had the same experience!!
Great range test, Tom. The lack of battery percentage needs to be changed. Hopefully, GM will update their software.
Crazy that the car has been out so long and they're just now getting samples out for testing.
The entire ultium range has been such a let down in my opinion.
The Chinese market made has already been out since last year but sales has been slow.
I feel like GM is coming out with a compelling lineup, but they are struggling with what Elon said. "Production is hard"
They aren't getting samples out for testing, Tom clearly stated he rented the car from its new owner.
GM started learning how to make EVs about 18 months ago. It's been a steep learning curve.
Nice looking car inside and out, very good range and efficiency too.
I like this Caddy I’ll have to put this on my to consider when I buy my first EV , this one is nice .
Great review - impressive results.
Not impressive. 3.1miles per kWh is NOT impressive. That's very high consumption for a non commercial vehicle, it is currently consuming 322 watt hours per mile, Amazing would be closer to 200 wh/mile.
Sounds cool. If it's like most GM EVs it should be available to purchase in 5 years or so.
I got a call from my dealer today, they have 2 available. I got a call last week they had 1 available. I'm holding out for a red AWD.
What are you talking about? It's available now 🤦♂️
@@megaroenythere has been a LOT of delays recently for people who ordered the Lyriq, even if they ordered it a while ago. In fact I’m pretty sure it’s the number one reason I haven’t seen one on the road in person yet.
Just ask the people who ordered one and haven’t gotten one yet.
My bZ4X doesn't have a numeric state of charge either! Drives me crazy! I guess the updates in other countries rectified that issue. No update in the US.
Great review! Beautiful styling and Cadillac comfort. Great range. I’m going to assume the lane hogging lane assist was not intended.
The ID.4 can absolutely take more than 150kw, some are seeing 180kw for the US built ID.4s They can use for 500 amps basically at this point.
5.7 ZERO TO 60 WOULD BE A SUPER CAR IN THE 90'S. PRETTY FAST
Don't shout that too loud 😉
300+mi highway range, and what I’d be interested in is the 80A onboard charger, charging at 19.2kW is a monster! Teslas (no longer) don’t charge at that rate!
Thanks for running this test. I find the results a bit misleading as emphasis is not placed on the kWh size of the battery when you compare results to your Model 3. A better comparison would be miles per kWh. Range can always be improved by adding more kWh to the battery! Looking forward to the charging curve video.
It wasn't a comparison test to the Model 3. I just casually mentioned that it went farther than my 3 did.
Misleading how? I'm confused. I'm sure there are number of differences between the Lyriq and the Model 3 including weight for example which gives the Model 3 AT LEAST a 1,000lb advantage considering the Lyriq RWD comes in at 5,500lbs compared to the Model 3's 3,800lb-4,000lb weight range. It was just a quick mention anyway and the video wasn't a comparison between the two vehicles anyway. I will say that it's not surprising to see real world examples of a Tesla get beat in range once you take their preposterous range claims off the table and actually look at real world results. Tesla has been overinflating their range numbers since the company's been in existence. It's always refreshing when a manufacturer exceeds their EPA ranges.
@@genesishep Thanks for your comments. Let me explain. I believe Tom when he says the Lyric got 330+ miles in his test and that is a good result as it beat the Manufacturers estimate. The misleading part is the lack of emphasis on the fact it took 100+kWh to get it done. Leave out the reference to "Tesla" as that looks like a trigger point to you and interject most any other EV's numbers to compare. The Lyric averaged 3.1 miles/kWh and others range between 4-5+ miles/kWh. That's a more representative number to look at. Much like the claims in charging you need to look at the charging curve and not the max charging number.
The worst is the Chevy Bolts plugged into 350Kw dispensers, when 150's are available. It appears EA has started to equip new sites with all dispensers rated at 350Kw, which should eliminate the issue with uneducated drivers, or the scenario where they arrive and the only open site is a 350Kw.
At EVGO I find that at 100 amps and 125 amp stations the bolt will charge at a maximum of 45 kWh. Using the 350kWh stations of Electrify America I see 54 kWh. The charging is already slow on Bolt so I much rather get the near 55 kWh promised from 5 % SOC to 35% SOC which is 22% faster. If using EA stations I look for stations that only have Ultra fast. I also would not have a problem moving to a slower charger once speeds hit 43 kWh.
I moved to Fairfield, CT at the end of last year. If you're ever in the area I'd love to chat EVs or if you're doing any EV events I'd glady drive to NJ. I have a Model 3 LR (2022 year).
27:08 fantastic job in my opinion, 330 miles at 70 m/h for a 105 kWh battery...
- But how efficient is it, don't the Tesla Model Y have similar range with only 80 kWh battery?
Lyric is clearly less efficient, as reflected by its much worse MPGe ratings.
That’s partly because Lyriq is MUCH larger than MY (10” longer, 8” wider, 1100 lbs heavier) though it has less total storage space than the Tesla (somewhat due to the large MY frunk and trunk-well).
Luxury vs Efficiency
And from listening to different engineers talk about the Silverado EV, it can easily hit it's 450mi range estimate.
Only because they stuffed a HUGE battery pack in it. It’s also very heavy.
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The GM approach does seem to be
"We're not efficient, so stuff a larger pack in and see if anyone notices"?
Great video Tom. So I can't get quite that amount of range on mine - more like 2.5 mi/kWh (255 miles) at 78 MPH (same 20" RWD model). Car and Driver got 270 miles at 75MPH. Your 330 miles and 3.1 mi/kWh is insanely good - especially at 70MPH. So you showed a tire pressure at the start of 42 psi. Can you comment what the tire pressure stabilized at when you were well underway on the trip? Am thinking that helps things a bit, and also wondering what percentage of the 330 miles was at 70MPH.
I think around 44 psi, but I only checked once. You should always inflate and set the tires to the proper pressure when they are cold. I do the same thing with all of the vehicles I range test.
Speed and climate control will make that difference. He didn’t have the AC on (1.5kWh in 5 hours is just a fan). Any heating or AC will take 5-20% of the range he got. Plus, 78mph is probably 10-15% worse for range than 70mph. Ballpark numbers but it adds up.
@@colbyconner3206 Factoring out differences, Tom's numbers here for the Lyriq exceed what myself and other owners are seeing under same conditions. 3.1 mi / kWh hasn't been achievable at 70 MPH continuous. Also greater than EPA for mixed highway/city driving.
Tom mentioned driving for 5 hours - not sure if exactly 5 hours, or more or less. If 5 hours, that is 330 miles / 5 hours = 66 MPH average. If total trip was more than 5 hours, even less true average MPH. Slow downs for traffic, getting to and from the highway, turning around, etc.
Also, Tom showed the instrument cluster a few times. When showing a speed of 69 and 70 MPH, 28kW was being shown. Using that number, 102kWh battery / 28kW draw = 3.64 hours of travel before battery would be depleted. And if that is at 70MPH, that is only 255 miles traveled (or 2.5 mi / kWh). I don't know how that kW draw varied from the 28kW shown on the cluster in those couple shots (surely not a perfectly flat road), but just another indicator that 70MPH wasn't the actual average speed for this run when all slow downs are considered.
So the test shows valid results when comparing against other vehicles on this same trek, assuming similar slow downs along the way and same ideal conditions. But if you really only drive a highway speed of 70MPH, efficiency will be lower than 3.1 mi / kWh shown here - with correspondingly lower range also. 300 miles more realistic for true 70 MPH.
@@billjohnson3344 So I did drive for over 5 hours. But that includes driving to a DC fast charger from my home and then charging back up to 100% before beginning the range test. I do that for 2 reasons. First, to get the battery nice and warm for peak performance, and second, so I can jump right onto the highway from the charging station and immediately begin driving at 70 mph.
As for not being able to achieve 3.0/3.1 mi/kWh, I will put my money where my mouth is. If anyone wants to come here and duplicate the range test with me I will do it with them in the car. If the vehicle doesn't average more than 3.0 miles per kWh, I have to pay the $500/day Turo rental fee. If it does average that, you have to pay for the rental.
I'm confident it will because I just did it and drove 70 mph the entire time except for when I had to turn around 4 times. The only thing is we need to do it on a day with little wind as I experienced (2-3mph) and temperatures in the 70s which was perfect range weather. 😁
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Yeah, it's all good - I don't think anyone is doubting the 330 miles range, nor 3.1 mi/kWh efficiency of your test. The issue is - what is the true AVERAGE speed for that particular drive? By setting the cruise at 70MPH - that's just the max speed possible, and only correct if 100% of those 330 miles was at that speed. Need to factor in all the other slower speed driving that was included for the 330 miles - traffic where ACC slowed down, loops, on-off, and any included local driving. You even mentioned driving through construction areas, with lane shifts and next to concrete barriers - would think at a slower speed there also. Can all be confirmed with one metric, your total travel time.
So if you take your total miles traveled (330 mi) over your total time traveled, that will be your average speed for this test. Perhaps you know that total travel time from 0 to 330 miles? I see an end time of 11:41AM on the car when you pull into the parking lot, but looked back through the video and don't have a shot that shows the time when you started and zero'd the trip. Perhaps you have your start time in your raw video footage. As you surely know, 330 miles divided by that total time (in hours) will yield that real average MPH. This is going to be a number less than 70MPH no mater how you slice it - just a question of how much slower.
So yeah, your test is valid - just needs to be specified at the true speed to be meaningful for comparison. Those expecting to go continuous 70MPH and get 3.1 mi/kWh for the trek is just a tad overly optimistic. This is a good car - just not quite that good. For an average speed of 65 MPH (which might be what your test actually was) - totally onboard with the figures. And as you said, surely had the ideal driving conditions for a best case outing.
It's interesting how he's apparently using SuperCruise but doesn't mention it till about three minutes in. And it makes sense that SuperCruise would disengage when approaching construction zones in that it sounds like the system is being cautious, after all, it's not like that construction was happening when the highway was originally mapped, and I think it's a safer way to go than what Tesla seems to do.