I think it's caused by the left cylinder being so close to that area. hen it gets hot and then cools down, it pulls away from the sump cover. There is a new, higher torque for the bolts. It is 325 lb-in. I'm going to also use Permatex spray sealer, or Right Stuff.
.. thanks for the vid it shows excatly the issue with that one .. I found the lose drain on mine but still leaking and this is a big help for me..today ...!
This is really interesting and useful information as we have one of these engines to look at soon, thanks. Sorry for being late to watch you videos we have had some distractions recently.
That is what came to mind. To keep it from happening again , I would apply high tach permatex , a thick film and let it set up then apply the new gasket. To use just a coat of oil may allow it to suck in again , also there sould be a breather to equalize pressure, just thinking out loud. Thank you guys. (Pcv. or..ncv , negative pressure.) Interesting..
I use a electric engraving tool and I work over the sump gasket surface really good, so far in three years none of them have come back and I asked the customer to please let me know, done about 80
I wonder if that Carquest filter might be more restrictive than the B&S filter, and be causing a greater-than-normal vacuum in the crankcase. I've been using Frams for a few years and have encountered a leak in that area, although I haven't found it yet. I did replace the dipstick tube seal, but there is still a leak somewhere.
No that's not why. I've seen this a few times before all with different filters. I will say that myself have been using car quest filters for years on my own equipment and never had an issue. Fram is the worst possible filter you could use if you look at the studies
My 26hp V twin leaks. Hard to see where it comes from but this is my guess. Nice to see what's going on with the gasket. Any upgraded gaskets out there?
@toddsb07 not that I know of. Can't remember if I said in the video or not but I also use a little gasket sealer called the right stuff, it's kind of expensive but it works very well. I have another one in the shop to do now
@@toddsb07 The gasket a dealer sold me for mine was regular gasket material, which I would consider a major upgrade from that cheap-ass painted-on whateveritwas that came from the factory.
Working on a 23 hp, sump separates about 3/8" then stops and will not come off the crank. Any ideas? Seems to be alot of play in the crank as the crank moves with the sump.
@@davessmallenginerevival2847 ya, everything is disconnected. Been at it about 6 hours now. Not sure what else to try next to tossing it in the dumpster 😂
@@davessmallenginerevival2847 haha! All good buddy! Yes. Everything is off that needs to come off from what I’ve seen in numerous videos. The sump separates from the block but then stops like something is hung up inside. The engine was leaking pretty bad around the sump then started leaking around the crank seal. I don’t know if something happened internally that maybe galled up the hole the crank comes out or what but the damn thing won’t come away from the block but about 1/2” then its stuck. Idk if it’s normal for the crank to move that far with the sump unbolted or not but the crank shaft moves freely to the point the sump will no longer budge. I didn’t check the end play before unbolting the sump but the end play seems excessive. I’ve wrenched on a lot of stuff but don’t know much about these motors and I’m striking out online. I appreciate the input! 🍻
It's been a year, are you still trying to get the cover off? Maybe close the loop so I can sleep tonight. What did you find? A burr? Governor?, press fit? You want help, help others. Keep up the good work you guys. Thank you. Keep an eye on the valve clearance also, touchy..
Depends if your doing it yourself or not. $30 for gasket and oil if doing yourself if a shop does it it's going to be a lot , IDK how much , I flip mowers , I'm not a shop
Not if it leaks onto the muffler and starts on fire , which does happen. It gets worse and worse, in the case of this engine you could put oil in it without it leaking out immediately
@@davessmallenginerevival2847 yeah I got a john deere riding lawnmower that leaks oil, but runs strong and normal. But I'm not sure where it's coming from, but it might be the seal.
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I think it's caused by the left cylinder being so close to that area. hen it gets hot and then cools down, it pulls away from the sump cover. There is a new, higher torque for the bolts. It is 325 lb-in. I'm going to also use Permatex spray sealer, or Right Stuff.
.. thanks for the vid it shows excatly the issue with that one .. I found the lose drain on mine but still leaking and this is a big help for me..today ...!
I believe Briggs did update that sump gasket with a heavier one now. I don't know if it has a new part number.
It also has a higher bolt torque of 325 lb-in.
This is really interesting and useful information as we have one of these engines to look at soon, thanks. Sorry for being late to watch you videos we have had some distractions recently.
That's good to know. Odd problem, I wonder if the crankcase is creating a vacuum and pulling the gasket in?
That's probably what's happening. Good to hear from you sir
That is what came to mind. To keep it from happening again , I would apply high tach permatex , a thick film and let it set up then apply the new gasket. To use just a coat of oil may allow it to suck in again , also there sould be a breather to equalize pressure, just thinking out loud. Thank you guys. (Pcv. or..ncv , negative pressure.)
Interesting..
I use a electric engraving tool and I work over the sump gasket surface really good, so far in three years none of them have come back and I asked the customer to please let me know, done about 80
Good idea
That's kind of crazy. Thanks for explaining it.
It's been a real pain. I've come across way to many of these. Thanks John
Thanks Dave. Great Tip!!
Thanks Bob.
Have you ever tried Permatex spray sealant as an easy fix for the sump gasket leak?
No. Might be worth a shot but sure it would work
Excellent idea, even if it's just a temporary fix to get through the season.
I wonder if that Carquest filter might be more restrictive than the B&S filter, and be causing a greater-than-normal vacuum in the crankcase.
I've been using Frams for a few years and have encountered a leak in that area, although I haven't found it yet. I did replace the dipstick tube seal, but there is still a leak somewhere.
No that's not why. I've seen this a few times before all with different filters. I will say that myself have been using car quest filters for years on my own equipment and never had an issue. Fram is the worst possible filter you could use if you look at the studies
@@davessmallenginerevival2847 Thanks. That's very helpful.
My 26hp V twin leaks. Hard to see where it comes from but this is my guess. Nice to see what's going on with the gasket. Any upgraded gaskets out there?
@toddsb07 not that I know of. Can't remember if I said in the video or not but I also use a little gasket sealer called the right stuff, it's kind of expensive but it works very well. I have another one in the shop to do now
@@toddsb07 The gasket a dealer sold me for mine was regular gasket material, which I would consider a major upgrade from that cheap-ass painted-on whateveritwas that came from the factory.
A blown sump gasket 😩😡🤬
Hi Robert. I think I've come across a half dozen of these in the past year
@@davessmallenginerevival2847 I think it would be better if you made it out of better quality gasket material
I work at a Grasshopper dealer and have done dozens of these engines. Haven't found a permanent fix yet. I think the bolt holes are too far apart.
Working on a 23 hp, sump separates about 3/8" then stops and will not come off the crank. Any ideas? Seems to be alot of play in the crank as the crank moves with the sump.
Make sure the governor arm is disconnected. Otherwise nothing should be holding it. Just keep working at it
@@davessmallenginerevival2847 ya, everything is disconnected. Been at it about 6 hours now. Not sure what else to try next to tossing it in the dumpster 😂
@@palongee1 not trying to be a dick but you do have the crank pully off right? Without seeing first hand it's hard to diagnose
@@davessmallenginerevival2847 haha! All good buddy! Yes. Everything is off that needs to come off from what I’ve seen in numerous videos. The sump separates from the block but then stops like something is hung up inside. The engine was leaking pretty bad around the sump then started leaking around the crank seal. I don’t know if something happened internally that maybe galled up the hole the crank comes out or what but the damn thing won’t come away from the block but about 1/2” then its stuck. Idk if it’s normal for the crank to move that far with the sump unbolted or not but the crank shaft moves freely to the point the sump will no longer budge. I didn’t check the end play before unbolting the sump but the end play seems excessive. I’ve wrenched on a lot of stuff but don’t know much about these motors and I’m striking out online. I appreciate the input! 🍻
It's been a year, are you still trying to get the cover off? Maybe close the loop so I can sleep tonight. What did you find? A burr? Governor?, press fit?
You want help, help others. Keep up the good work you guys. Thank you. Keep an eye on the valve clearance also, touchy..
Mine leaks as soon as the oil is topped off
About how much does this repair cost? Ballpark estimate please.
Depends if your doing it yourself or not. $30 for gasket and oil if doing yourself if a shop does it it's going to be a lot , IDK how much , I flip mowers , I'm not a shop
@@davessmallenginerevival2847 Thank You!
Will the engine still run strong and normal if this is the case?
Not if it leaks onto the muffler and starts on fire , which does happen. It gets worse and worse, in the case of this engine you could put oil in it without it leaking out immediately
@@davessmallenginerevival2847 yeah I got a john deere riding lawnmower that leaks oil, but runs strong and normal. But I'm not sure where it's coming from, but it might be the seal.
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