Reaction to the First Deliveries of the Sondors Metacycle
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- The sondors metacycle is finally being delivered to early customers. This is a budget $5,000 electric motorcycle with a futuristic sleek design. Here I give my reaction to this electric motorcycle as an ebike rider.
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It weighs 327lbs.
that's significantly more than 300lbs and more than 60% over early 200lbs spec. but still OK but heavier than a zero FX 3.6kWh (247lbs) or even 7.2 kWh (289lbs) that are faster and more powerful and look like proper full size motorcycle with passenger pegs, that don't like there belong to a toy. it makes sense because hub motors are heavier than mid drives that can have lower torque, spin faster, to produce same power, and multiply the torque to the wheel through gearing, but somehow I wanted to believe that the single piece aluminum frame could allow lighter weight. now without Regen I don't see a single reason to use rear hub except price because even efficiency won't match a mid drive with Regen like zero motorcycles. hopefully Regen gets added through updates
That is a cute rich boy toy. Doctors & Lawyers will love it.
I would love it if it didn't need insurance & plate
@@mustbee-bike994 I respect Mr. Sondors.
Beautiful ebikes have come from his mind. But that's an electric motorcycle. You can glue fur on a Pig, but it's still a Pig.
This isn’t rich at all wtf..it’s priced really low..look at bmw electric bike or harley for rich boy
@@mustbee-bike994 that’s not possible..federal laws from 2002 already define what an ebike is..and this sure as hell isn’t a bike
If I bought a Metacycle and it shipped without a removable battery I’d ship it back immediately. Hopefully the owner overlooked the key lock for the battery. If not, I think Sondors might have a lot of cancelled orders.
Anyone that lives in the city will rely on removing the battery to charge in their apartment or at work. This was one of the most appealing features for me since I live in the city and can’t charge outside.
I agree
Just one more item in the fast growing list of reasons to cancel my order. Bummer.
@@moquiti I’m sorry to hear that. It’s a shame, because the original design was beautiful and checked a lot of boxes for me. Unfortunately, it seems what Sondors promised was too good to be true.
@@jasonberg7644 they’ll revise it if enough people complain. Sondors isn’t a bad company. They had to make changes to their prototype for department of transportation..
No removable No sale for me
Tough crowd here. Lean in. I hope SONDORS is watching.
8Kw motor draw on a 4kw battery will only last you a half hour that's true but what you factored in wrong is that 8kw doesn't get you to 80 mph 14.5kw does. 8kw will get you to 62-65 mph. So at 80mph(14.5kw draw) you are only gonna have 17 minutes run time which will allow you to travel about 25 miles at 80 mph on a full charge. The only way you will get 80 miles of range is to keep your motor at 2kw which is like 35 mph. Even then you will only get 70 miles of range so 1500watt draw like 30-32 mph is 80 miles range. Realistic range for this thing is averaging 50 mph(4k watt draw) and getting 50 miles. So I expect range tests will give this thing between 50-60 miles with normal road driving so like 55 miles range.
You didn't mention if you factored in regen?
@@moquiti oh sorry add 10 percent to those guesstimates.
if that bike gets 60 miles on a charge,I'll eat my Tin Foil thinking cap LOL. still seems a bit sketchy at this point about 5 people have received there meta , the one guys already on his 4th video
@@tomjenkins5637 it would get 60 miles if you averaged 45 mph the whole time and didn't go above 50 mph. If your normal commutes are more than 30 miles in any direction I would say get a gas bike. This bike would be much better with an added battery to get it up to 7kw whether Sondors offers it or it's aftermarket. Then you would have 90-100 miles of range at 45 mph instead of 60 miles. If Sondors could offer that bike with 7kw for 8 grand it would be still undercutting the Zero Motorcycles equivalent by 4 grand.
You got the numbers down real close to what newer videos are saying. But sondors advertised the max range when going 40mph. Not highway speeds, although it can do highway speeds if needed
9/16/2022. I have received a E-Owner Manual. A lot of pages, ran out black printer ink.
Hmmmm. Either it has 14 inch wheels or your 7" clearance is rather off. Looks to be a great looking fun urban knock about unit. I'm not doing any jumps while standing on those cute pegs either. A very neat machine for $6,000.
I really don't trust those pegs haha, gonna be the first thing I swap
I like the price point of this, looking forward to real world performance results.
So close to 5K!
IMO, this is a technological marvel! I have been watching the electric motorcycle space for quite some time, and this sets the standards for price and features. The competition in this category are overpriced, and fail to live up to what’s advertised. I can’t name one company that beats this, not one and that’s exceptional. I am throwing my hat in for this ONE.
The crazy part is I've seen modded Surrons that have better performance numbers than this lol but obviously the parts aren't as robust and long lasting
This bike seems like a okayish deal but the miles would be nicer to have been in the 150m they could've filled in the middle more with batteries.
they could have double the batteries power instead of a hole in the middle
@@mustbee-bike994 totally agree 💯 like they cheaped out on performance then design lol and if the battery isn't detachable then even worse also if the other battery could be mounted on the back like slides in would be awesome
The biggest shortcoming IMO is the suspension, which is barely adequate (or not even, if you check out Smith Longworth's ride test video!), so with the additional weight of an optional 3kWh battery (yet to be available) this bike might well be unrideable on average streets. Big unsprung weight @ the rear, with a very short swingarm, and not much fork travel, all compared to the Husqvarna that supposedly inspired this design, are big weak points in the concept & execution.
Batteries are one of the most expensive things. It would bring the price up substantially
everyone wants super long range but truth is no one is going to commute 80 miles on this kind of bike...good thing they announced 3kWh additional/optional battery to fit inside the frame. if you have a very long commute it would be much more efficient to have removable battery and cheap second charger to keep at work. if only battery was removable in a few seconds without tool like they showed in the promotional videos
The battery is removable. The fenders are waaay too small. The seat does look awfully uncomfortable. The original proposed bike had raw aluminum finish which looked awesome. Now the only options are cheap looking painted finish. The price is $6000 plus shipping, tax and fees which are not disclosed by the seller. You must place and order with $1000 deposit and those other costs are sent to you when bike is ready for delivery. Delivery could take many months or more .
From what I saw, removing the battery required unscrewing several tamper-proof screws. You only use those fasteners when you don't want someone removing the item. Previous videos had the keyed lock allowing for easy removal. That feature is completely gone. 100% bait and switch. May not have been intentional, but bait and switch, nonetheless.
@@lvlikeyV Thanks for the clarification.
If you look at this bike from the side those handlebars don't look that low it will give you that upright Position feel but I would not leave this bike outside if I didn't have a garage it's coming in my house with me 😊
the marking with grade on the side would be a torq indacator power output not speed
good vid
Front fender looks useless also looks like I could break the pegs the first time i stand while riding over a bump in the road. other than that I still like the looks . I guess the big hole is a place for a storage bag
My bike has 285nm of torque. 210 foot-pound of torque total with my 3 motor.
I think it looks brilliant - and good price too - will work quite well with E-Head Bikers with road licenses - if it weren't for the import tax I'd buy one tomorrow..
I mean, does it look cool? Yes. But the main goal (or what seemed to me) is to be one of the first affordable highway capable electric bikes. That being the case, why did they come up with the most expensive way to make a frame? Why not use a standard motorcycle frame and reduce the price by at least $500. Custom (and uncomfortable) seat, why not an off-the-shelf item? Reverse? (it's less than 300lb, who needs motorized reverse). I'm sure they also put a lot of research and resources in the battery design only to have it not be easily removable. I can think of so many ways to reduce cost while keeping performance the same and increasing comfort. If they could have kept it at the $4,500 price range, I'd get one for sure. With price, tax, and delivery now over the $7k range, no way. Don't get me wrong, I love watching the ride videos. Love the whisper quiet speed.
Reverse is free on an electric motor
@@EVMANVSGAS the programming and buttons on the controller aren't. I think you get my point though. There are unnecessary features on this bike that are raising the cost.
I'm willing to bet the lead times on that unnecessarily complex frame are far longer than a standard frame. All these things add up to increased cost and lead times.
I suspect that the battery lock could have been easily picked by anyone studying LockPickingLawyer's videos. Hence the switch to essentially non-removable battery.
@@lvlikeyV, that would be an interesting comparison: welded versus cast+machined frame. If it were die cast, I'd say that could be much cheaper at large numbers, but this frame is either one-sided ceramic or sand cast from what I've read, so lots of clean-up, handling & machining involved. It's more a piece of sculpture, less a motorcycle, I'm beginning to realize.
That weight is not right anymore, they updated that to something like 300 lbs due to some regulations for crash worthiness.
As a long-term rider with lots of real-world exp. get rid of those Vienna veiner foot pegs immediately! solid foot placement is crucial, makes me question the rest of it more closely
There’s more vids now, another guy has riding videos
The problem is, I don't think there is a solid alternative in this price range either as an already built and ready to ride street bike nor as a kit that can be assembled and made street legal. If there is one, please let me know. People like The Inja took an old Ducati and made it electric, but this appears to have cost tons of time, effort and money. I'd love it if there was a real alternative, but there isn't one that I know of.
The Delfast is $6000 too, and has a belt drive,so maybe someone will do a comparison.
@@herblackwings33 delfast are just high power/long range ebikes right. not road legal, not even allowed on trails, just for private property. it's not only about legality but also using motorcycle grade/approved components, although metacycle seems rather weak on the brakes side
4kW battery pack is a way too small for any vehicles like that , 3,5kWh I got in my 145lb ( 65kg) enduro ebike .
Love evs
The screen needs a tinted cover, even a small café racer type fairing would have been nice, but the screen is way too flat, and picks up a lot of glare, obviously the protective plastic is on it it here, but it doesn't get much better unless you're in the dark, and that seat looks like it was made for extremely skinny people with very padded asses, I haven't seen too many of those around, the foot pegs worry me to death, those WILL break! The pricing is off by about 2k, and I understand it's a start up, but trying to make all the money back right away is not an efficient recipe for getting your product out there and seen everywhere. I like the looks, and the apparently wireless charging on the tank, but that mans no tank bag or los ethe utility of that trick...over all, I'd say great start! but that's more aligned with a prototype, or proof of concept than a production model built for the masses that could really use it.
Once everybody finds out it is underperforming and doesn't come near Sondors performance claims, I wonder how many people will be cancelling or selling their bike once they get it. Once people get wind of the fact that the 0 to 60 mph time is 11s, and it can only go 25 miles on a charge as tested by an owner with a phone app, it will be hard to sell one.
It can go way more than 25 miles whoever tested that messed it up. And 0 to 60 is 7 seconds. It doesn’t take off quick but does fine after
@@slimdunkin117 Nope, a new owner just tested it with an app on his phone and he did six 0 to 60mph times, and they were 10.5 to 11s and the range was 25 miles. Some other owners have confirmed these results.
I ordered the metacycle in December. The website said 100 deposit but they billed my card $5000. I cancelled my order and I have been trying to get my money back ever since. Today they sent me an email asking if I would like to reinstate my order. I guess they think I might rather have the bike than nothing. They are wrong. I know how they treat customers if something fails guaranteed you are left in the cold. These people do not care about their customers at all. I'll sue to get my money back. Better than trying to sue if I get a lemon. Just telling you about my experience with this company, take it for what it's worth.
They try to copy Super soco. I have 2 models tc and ts1200r. But this one it's go faster
It’s cost about 8k all together after tax and shipping. Far from what the original price was.
Meh, it's not quite as good as I thought it would be and it's not quite as cheap.
4kwh battery is too small, I could live with the crsppy seat and pegs ( easy too upgrade I guess ) but adding battery not so easy.
They missed here imho.
BUT if it works for you as a daily driver it will save some fuel.
This is not something I would even considering buying. I want a more utilitarian bike. There doesn't seem to be a way to mount saddle bags or a rack system. The seat doesn't look comfortable to me but trying it out might change my mind. The foot pegs do look like an accident waiting to happen.
Your strictly subjective perspective and desires really dont contribute to this reviews audience in anyway, doubt anyone cares what you want or wish for, we're here to know more about THIS e bike. Hope 2 likes and a reply satisfied your needs for attention.
@@s.k.9774 Hey, I'm just here to offer my perspective and your welcome to have yours, but what you are really saying is you don't want to hear anything that is negative about something. I suggest you go listen to some music that you like so you can get the right feedback you so richly deserve.
Thanks for your perspective. I contacted SONDORS directly with the same lack of utility concerns, and the response was that utility (the ability to mount a rack/top case or saddlebags) wasn't part of the concept, but that they "may" look into adapting a rack in the future. IMO, they don't have a commuter bike unless it can carry stuff, and not just in a backpack. The portable charger alone weighs 10#.
@@moquiti Nice of you to contact them. I do hope they listen to our feedback as that can only improve the bike. You also made me realize that this is all pretty new stuff, so as the technologies improve to make things lighter and more versatile they will be able to offer more features. Win, win for all of us!
@@shaunhall960, I appreciate your positive expression!
Well if that battery isn't removable that's an absolute cancel for me.
Viability of electric motorcycles doesn't add up for cost relative to power relative to range.
A $6K gas motorcycle from any of the big brands is so much faster, has much, much more range if traveling say 50-60mph which is not uncommon and for the same money.
Electric bicycles with supplemental human power make a lot more sense for shorter hops and lower speed. This is why electric motorcycles are unpopular among those that understand this space.
I understand shifting gears but a compromise could be a CVT or a variable mid drive rear sprocket that changes diameter based on torque. I did see that on a year to be released bike
Yep my ebikes make a lot of sense especially my DIY conversions that cost less than £400, range anxiety is not a problem because I can pedal as much as needed to add range.
So far the only real options are livewire , zeros and energica but they are all VERY expensive and still a bit short on range.
@@indiesigi7807 Screw the shifting, engine noise, and all that false male bravado stuff. I ride my motorcycle for the gas mileage. Honda rebel holds three gallons of gas and lasts almost a month with my commute. I'm with the OP on the price though, it needs to come way down. I'm not even thinking about it until they dip under 4k. I find electric vehicles are a completely different animal. I thoroughly enjoy the whisper quiet speed, little to no maintenance, and immediate throttle response. To each their very own though.
It’s cause the batteries haven’t advanced far enough yet..battery tech is slacking. Once batteries get better in density it’ll be over for gas. You’ll view gas engines like the steam engine
I put my Tin Foil hat on and ran the numbers , I'm gonna say price increases even higher than 6k within a month .They just don't wanna shock everyone right off the bat, this sondors cat is one shady dude, look what they did to the Ebike Noob , guy threw his you tube towel in .That whole mad mods thing was a joke
Elaborate on what “ebike noob” means?
Ebike Noob is pretty well known as one of the 1st guys with ebike riding content, just about single handedly put 48v xclass by Ariel Rider on everyone's radar.nice guy alot of good content, anyway he went through hell with sondors .gave them deposit, got the runaround with their mad mod bike , which to this day should have alot more content about that bike very strange
No storage or rack, thus no food/supplies; in todays world that's just stupid.
The battery weighs 54 lbs. What are you going to do with it after you remove it?
Carry it into the house to charge it? LOL
There's lots of $5k, new, gasoline motorcycles available these days. My 2019 Honda CB300R gets 79 mpg. It's quick and a 2 hour ride uses 3/4 of a gallon, $4.50 at L.A. prices.
PS It'll go 90+ mph and weighs 317 lbs with a full tank of gas, 2.7 gallons.
79mphg is a lot there’s hybrids that do near 60..cb300r sucks anyway
I think he was delivered one of the 3 bikes they had on hand for shows. I think from what I've seen only two bikes have been delivered total. If you've seen evidence of any others I'd love to see it. But my opinion? This is a stunt to get people buying again. Show videos of delivery and "Oh they are actually delivering now, I can put in a deposit now". That's how they're hoping people react. This is still a very shady situation.
All 3 of those prototype bikes had the removable battery, which can be seen in the SONDORS videos. The delivered bikes don't. You're spot-on about the promotional angle, they certainly have that part down, at least for those who haven't been following the release. I too was taken in, and am seriously considering getting a refund.
@@moquiti It's been 3 weeks +. Has your metacycle been delivered?
Are u doing any giveaways cause I believe someone is scamming ur subscribers saying they won a
Shortlisted giveaway and won a surrender ebike and then they ask for money for shipping through cash app skill or zelle
There is no giveaway and people should never trust those known scam comments.
I do my best to block scammers.
@@NPLVentures ya I figured as much and then I asked him 2 questions that u would know like what kind of bikes does ur friends have and what kind of hub motor do u personally like and he had no answer for me
Also he stole ur logo
Congrats on almost getting 5k subscribers.
I feel there's a spectrum of cool ebike becoming a shitty motorcycle. I think maxing out the ebike is easy to do, if you want bigger and better, just get an actual motorcycle.
You made no sense..gas engines are getting phased out
I hope nobody gets one I want only a few people to have them makes it more unique rather than everybody having one .
It weighs a little over 320 lbs
325 lbs...
not worth 6.5k i built my more powerful for less than price
post some videos bro. Lets see it
@@lvlikeyV you really want to ee i
Pass, try again Sondorks🤓
looks so much cheaper in closeup and no removable battery = hard pass
THAT WOULD BE THE DAY WHEN I SPENT $5,000 ON SOMETHING THAT ONLY WENT 80 MI AND THEN WAIT A LONG TIME TO HAVE A CHARGE 🤣
And people forget battery powered anything The batteries don't last a long time. You'll be replacing those batteries every 5 to 8 years. AND THE PRICE IS GOING TO BE ASTRONOMICAL.. probably 2 or $3,000 or something like that.
You do know the price of gas vs. electricity. You'll save the cost of battery replacement in 2 years, with a regular commute average of 25 miles.
The name "metacycle" sounds a bit soy for my liking.
soy?
@@lvlikeyV 🤣
Don't believe Sondors lies!
the metacycle is such a huge POS. blows my mind people buy it
Prove it. What's better? economically speaking?
This crap company had me waiting over a year, I was fully paid. Just waiting....I finally cancelled and got a full refund after finding out new orders were getting a quicker delivery estimate then me. I guess they didn't want my business because I was locked in at $5000 . Lose me and sell that same bike for $6500. GFY
Even the Onyx RCR is better than this one tbh lol
It's not an ebike no functional pedals.
no shit lollllllll
6 grand for short range scooter performance with a hub motor, looks interesting but just plain bad.
Over rated
Company is not very trustworthy brought the bike in 2019 and still waiting for the bike been delivered. Tried to cancel and get the money back, they said its impossible because the bike was in production. You paid 5k for the bike 700 for the delivery and the registration, you need to go and deal with DMV. Im not happy at all. I already decided soon I received the bike I will put in the market for sale, even before to do the registration. 🛵