you probably already know but I googled their company out of curiosity, they've shutdown and will not ship a single product I dont know how the preorder system was but I feel bad if some people paid the full price and haven't received a thing
Two questions, is that a new microphone? It sounds super clear. Also, do you have and updates on the p51 bullet e-bike? I can’t wait to see what Sondors’ next bike is going to be.
Thank you for noticing! Same mic but I’ve learned how to enhance the audio to make it more clear. So stoked you noticed. Also I’ve got some P-51 action coming you called it!
@@SurRonster first time seeing your video. But I will say I noticed the clarity immediately. Especially when you compare it to a video from Doug or Marques. It's good.
I can't imagine how excited you would be to test ride an Energica Ribelle RS. It's all I can do to keep the front tire on the ground when fully accelerating. 0-60 in 2.6 seconds.
The thing i like about Sur Ronster is that hes totally honest and say if its bad or not like the seat was bad he said but it was a good crooser bike. And keep up with the work Sur Ronster❤
i wonder if it has some type of slow start enabled by default cus i think it probably has alot of torque if it can go that fast. edit: yep i found a video that showed the stock controller settings and it seems like it has a slow start setting enabled by default. that's probably why it didn't wheelie.
it also has less torque because it's a direct drive hub motor. if you've ridden direct drive hub motor ebikes you know they can be powerful but always have less torque than geared hub or mid drives. this is because without gear reduction/torque multiplication, all the torque had to come from either lots of windings/or very high current /thick wires. both mean weight which is not good for hub motors, and cost (more copper). on the other hand hub motors have bigger radius so it helps torque a bit but still hard to match the torque achieved with gear reduction. on a sur Ron it would be the equivalent to run a tall gearing.
@@geemy9675 what in the delusional world are you saying lol. This hub motor has low turns and low amps, a mid drive still would have the same problem. Weight of hub motors is on par with mid drive but due to being on the wheel they need a better suspension setup but you get better wheelies and more space. gear reduction 🤣 that's not how it works with hub motors, they have copper wire turns within them that control torque and speed. A higher turn hub motor will have more torque. QS205 5T 0-50 (top speed) is quicker than a surron motor doing 0-50 with same gearing (50mph top speed) and amps. Dont speak if you have no clue abt ebikes.
@@SRNAR8 pretty sure some bicycle hub motors use gears but other than that i think you are right. i don't think there is enough space for gears in motorcycle hub motor.
@@SRNAR8 the "delusional" world where I live is a world where it is easier/cheaper/lighter/more efficient to generate high torque and power with small/fast spinning electric motors and gear reduction that multiplies the torque, than to generate same final torque and power with a much bigger/slow spinning direct drive motor. a world where all EV's and 90+% ebikes use gear reduction to achieve high torque. the vehicles that use direct drive hub motors are those with tiny wheels which don't need gear reduction. skateboards, scooters, etc. it's physics. power = rpm x torque that is why all high output/highly tuned electric OR gas engines have high rpms. then gear reduction allows high torque at low speeds.
It's most likely the way the bms is programmed on the battery. They wanted the battery to last for many cycles so they limited the bms to discharge low amps at start and slowly ramp up as opposed to dumping all the amps from the beginning like some batteries with different bms programming
I love taking that route for test drives in cars after fixing them. On the opposite side of the freeway, there are massive hills and windy roads, too. Great area to enjoy views but also duplicate almost any concern we may face. I would basically take this road on my commute if I end up buying one of these. It would need a 50-mile range and go at least 65mph, that's round trip, but I'd rather charge it at work only 😉
should have mentioned charging and the fact they also promised a quick removable battery which they later revised. I still the bike & Review i was gonna buy one but the community group pages had me worrying
yeah it suck that they change that up, but it only a few bolt to unscrew. Not as bad as people saying it to be. You can alway park it inside and charge it lol
Sonders did a great job with this bike for the price. I think they got the squeeze from other companies which forced them out of business. This bike would have been revolutionary with upgrades.
11:45 Just to let you know because it looks like you never own a hub motor before but you can do wheelies with a hub motor just not that hub motor because it looks like they tuned it for top speed over torque. So just for your Info. Hub motors can also wheelie if tuned for torque over top speed and that also goes for mid drives as well
One thing to keep on mind is that the wireless phone cradle does not accommodate the large Samsung phones. My note 10+ did not fit in that housing even without the case.
They have come a ways with styling, however, for 7K one can get a late model used adult sized ICE Bike with low miles with a comfortable seat and ride quality.
“This is street legal I’m going to obey all the street laws. Except no license plate and motorcycle license” literally the TWO MOST IMPORTANT things to make it street legal other than the lights and mirrors xD it’s so ironic too when he said “obey all the street rules” but than again he is driving with no license plate or motorcycle license lmfaoooo
You should check out the vmx08 from velimotors. It's a 105 lbs full carbon fiber framed street legal motorcycle. 72v 40ah battery with a 62 mph top speed. My serial number will be #4 but unfortunately I'm on the east coast. The guy who sells them is in Las Vegas.
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Wait, he's driving a Motorcycle without a motorcycle license ? Lmao, ballsy saying that in a youtube video. But honestly makes me want to get one even more now.
They arent so fast but the aniioki aq177's got nice range 52v 60ah ,quiet 110lbs battery n all full suspension a standa out for the budget commuter class under $2000
Ireall really lob Sur Ronster im ur biggest fan i do really lab ur video all of them ur fans from Philippines i wish we meet someday and i wish i have one of those electric motorcycle and we joy ride someday ❤❤❤
My man splitting lanes, no license plate or motorcycle license, no long sleeve on! Feeling a bit anxious when you took your hands off thinking how’s this thing going to handle if you hit a small bump in the road!
I run an ebike repair shop(electric pdx) and hate dealing with sondors to get parts or support. They consistently send me the wrong parts and I have to spend hours of bs time waiting for them for any answers. I really can’t recommend them.
@@miladwolfster4309 thank you. I really appreciate that. It’s something that people don’t think about when they first buy a PEV but when(not if) something breaks you’ll want to be able to find replacement parts from the manufacturer. Luckily they have parts but unlucky they tent to phase out old bikes and parts for them way too fast. I am somewhat confident that you will be able to get the parts for the bike for a long time but it’s just going to get harder as the bike gets older. Just depends on how soon they phase it out with a new one. First generation bikes get the shaft sooner.
My Yamaha is a lot more powerful and cheaper. A lot safer too. I know you just do these reviews for free stuff, but most +40 mph electric vehicles are quite dangerous. They make no sound too and thats incredibly dangerous for a motorcycle.
Wish you would've done a gps speed test to check REAL WORLD SPEED! When you gonna review a modified Fiido Q1S, or possibly thy new Q2 coming out in May, that'd be cool as hell! I'm building a Fiido Q1S now, after already owning 2 other of their ebikes, now I gotta save for the Q2 & make some room in my 509sqft apartment, already have 5 ebikes & an e-Scooter in my living room!!! 😆
I got a Sondors Rockstar TH-cam channel pretty much dedicated to the bike. I’ve thrown everything at it and modified the hell outta it. Sondors are great bikes. Great review Sur🤙🏻
I personally love the direct drive aspect of this motorcycle. I use them one most all my E-Bike builds, they are about bullet proof with no moving parts. I have no need to be popping wheelies, no country for old men. But do like the top end of the silent power they produce. Never heard of a system having a top mode that cuts out after a short time except if the battery were dying. Most E-bike system have multiple power setting but I never had one do that. Like the frame design seeing you can be creative with an electric vehicle design.
I'm guessing the bike is switching between its peak power rating and its continuous power rating-- and not doing so in a smooth manner. Very problematic on the highway!
I love the hub motor on my Stealth Bomber, its such a different feelin than my Sur Ron... so quiet and def have more of an "ebike" feel.... its like your'e one with the road, I love it 🤙🏼🙌🏼
Big problem with hub motors is that the wheel becomes too heavy, it is called unsprung mass and on bikes and motorcycles it sacrifices handling quality. It is ok for scooters but that is probably why surron has a chain
Not really, once you have a bike over 100lbs, the "unsprung mass" is barely felt. Yes you need a better suspension as there is a motor there that can bounce up but you get more space for battery, better wheelies and control of them and also more range.
@@SRNAR8 So you admit you are sacrificing ride quality for battery space. No one cares about wheelies when shopping for a bike that is supposed to be for commuting.
Welp. This didn't age well. If only Storm Sondors did stuff like.. oh, I dont know.. maybe PAY HIS BILLS!! Pay his partners, the builders of this unfinished "might have been" I wonder what dare he decided screw it - I'm just gonna jet with everyone's deposits.
I am very impressed with the suspensions. For this price, it's still good. Even though it's not the perfect motorcycle, Sondors did something amazing, and that is to create a vehicle within this segment. I hope they become successful because that means there will be more competition later down the line, which is great for consumers. As of right now, the only other e-motorcycle that I would consider are the Zero bikes, and those start at least 2x this. If Sondors can produce something that can hit 90mph without a cooldown period, I'm sure they would sell a lot because people can actually take it on the highway. Honestly, this is less Sondors's problem than it is battery technology. To have a battery this small and light that can handle that amount of output is not easy with current battery tech. However, solid state, salt batteries are going into production now so if those become available, I'm sure Sondors and many other players can do amazing things with that.
The technology is there Dude if you inject stator fluid ie, millions of round nano particles suspended in oil into the hub stator just 6ml it will stick to the magnets and stop friction hence more than half the heating process! What a bike though eh!
@@rogereheadbyrne4790 Yeah but is it there for something of this size? The motor spinning any faster might also be a problem. That's why specifically for the Plaid, its rotor has a carbon sleeve surrounding it so that it can hold back the expansion under that speed. I was also wondering if the limitation is also the output of the battery of that size as well, so not even anything to do with friction yet. Since there is only 1 type of lithium battery being used in all EVs right now, you literally can not put out more power with a small battery until new battery tech comes out.
this bike is such a letdown considering it was made by a company that's not new to electric power trains on bikes, with its cool down period and limited top speed, overweight and overpriced. I can't understand why people are giving it an overall pass just because it's electric. I would get a pimped out Rukus over this or some EYE-talian moped I can do wheelies on 😅
@@estebanfranco8955 It gets a pass because the competition just isn't there unless you go back to ICE. For those who want an electric two wheel commuter it ticks a lot of boxes.
@@BN99239 if you reduce friction it will make slightly more net power output. I don't think the bike will go any faster top speed so no issue for the rotor but better heat didfipari9' is always good especially if you wanna hammer the throttle and do extended runs at top speed. they already implemented overheating protection by limiting sports mode duration with a cool down period but it can't hurt to improve the cooling and If they ever unlock continuous sports mode or if someone figures out a way to remove the cool down the your bike is ready to handle the heat. I would say if you've already worked on hub motors and you know what. you're doing, it's all good otherwise watch some videos from grin technologies for instance.
when the stark varg releases will you be showcasing it? it has a 60 horsepower and 80 horsepower model and its an electric dirt bike. its only 110kg and great suspension. when you can get one you should check it out its extremely powerful
I'm extremely impressed with a thoroughness of this video. I'm definitely going to be a follower on your channel because I really liked the objective approach you gave to the review of the bike. Great video, and I love your honesty!
I’m super surprised by how conservatively they tuned the acceleration off the line. We know from other low power electric vehicles that normally the only place where they shine is during initial acceleration
I would put money down this has to do with extending the range of the bike. On a quick cruise? Use sport mode. Otherwise you're running a bit slow off the line and bumping up the city range estimate.
Very hard to beat for the price. I could see a METACYCLE Pro edition possibly being created, in the not too distant future. Very thorough and well done review. Thank you.
Looks like they are making a new bike now with claimed to be updated specs but Sondors has a history of over claiming what they can produce and then delivering a good but lesser product. They are also kind of struggling with money right now which has me worried if they should be trying to make a new, bigger and more expensive bike at all.
I've had both motorcycles and E-bikes. I'd kinda have to go with gas motorcycle over ebike for 1 main reason... 1-2 minute gas fill up vs. 5 hours of charging. Nobody wants to wait 5 hours to contine the ride! Especially if you live in the hills. Hills take a lot more energy then the flat lands of the mid-east.
Looks great! One thing tho, if you tune a hub motor for it, they can be just as snappy as a mid drive motor. It might take a higher input current, but they def have the snap. Check out my build, I can firsthand say it has the snap of a mid drive.
For my purposes this works well, pricey but I’m ok with the price of a 2023 Diavel or the new Nightster Special from Harley. Manufacturers like Volcon over price and under deliver. This is probably well worth the cake but I’ll need to ride one before I spend all that
I love the idea, but given the constraints of this ev vs a equally priced ice bike (any 300/400), I still lean towards the ice bikes. Range, acceleration, technology, ride modes, etc still heavily favor the ice variants.
@@ThePiemasteification all my neighbors have corvettes, vipers, mustangs, go carts, 4-wheelers, motorcycles etc. I guess I am used to hearing the sweet music of a combustion engine.
I'd be interested in your take on the Ryvid when it comes out. Though it costs slightly more than the Sondors, it's got some next-level specs, some cool features, and an easily removable, drop-down roll-away battery to allow you to take in and charge.
A new 2022 hasqvarna 401 cost as low as 5000 CAD (~3600 usd). It is basically a stylish Duke 390 (just google it, its gorgeous) with 40hp and can go up to 110 mph. So you tell me if this electric motorcycle with a hub motor is worth it.
It'll be awesome for the sidewalks! Just playin'! Kind'a. But I'm sure they're going to put something to a vote that tries to ruin fun . We need to band together when it comes.
Out enjoying life good boy, I'm 65 I might get me one of these , love the wind in my face, and less maintenance than a gas bike, I can travel in silence
forgive me for not knowing shit about motorcycles but WOW do people really just take their hands completely off the handlebars at highway speed so casually??
$7,000 ya nope, you can get a Real Bike that goes way faster for less.. Electric is cool and all but not at that price for those batteries. That's what we call a bad investment. Try again..
I ordered and paid for my Metacycle more than 2 years ago and still have not received it. I would think twice about ordering one of these. I am quite disappointed.
Ever see a deadly motorcycle accident? It is something to make one never want to ride without at least some kind of protection. The road will rip skin to BONE!
Right at the start I can already see some things, even if it can do everything the motor is on the wheel, and it's a huge motor, that's alot of unsprung wheight, that's how they where able to put the battery lower since in the surroon the motor ocupies part of that space, but overall it seems good if you intend to drive on asphalt, as soon as you go offroad that unsprung wheight in the rear wheel may be a problem, at least it has a lower center of gravity compared to the surron...
I canceled my order and bought EUC instead that can go up to 60mph and have 100+ miles of range for the same price. I'll eceive my Damon HyperSport hopefully this summer and you can check it out when you come to the next Houston Surron Mega Ride.
"I'm going to abide by all the street laws."
15 seconds later...
"I'm already 10 miles above the speed limit."
or how he cut in front of the ford ranger making the left
right?! lmao
Or how he switches lanes without signalling, then lane splits, then takes both hands off the handlebar to clap.
the speedometer is 10 MPH off, it is actually 10 mph slower than what the Odometer shows. it is a known issue
@@mannyechaluce3814 Thats seems like mine as well. Mine hits 50 way too quickly.
Not worth it, sondors stole my $500 deposit, and refuses to respond.
you probably already know but I googled their company out of curiosity, they've shutdown and will not ship a single product
I dont know how the preorder system was but I feel bad if some people paid the full price and haven't received a thing
@@cheshire_ whattt. i considered a Sondors like 2 years ago. no way they shut down!! thats crazy.
HAHAHAHHAHA get scammed
@@Bone_Reaper I'm used to your mammie scamming me tho
Wow Thanks was gonna buy
Two questions, is that a new microphone? It sounds super clear. Also, do you have and updates on the p51 bullet e-bike? I can’t wait to see what Sondors’ next bike is going to be.
Thank you for noticing! Same mic but I’ve learned how to enhance the audio to make it more clear. So stoked you noticed. Also I’ve got some P-51 action coming you called it!
@@SurRonster what is the mic brand? I'm also looking for one
@@SurRonster first time seeing your video. But I will say I noticed the clarity immediately. Especially when you compare it to a video from Doug or Marques. It's good.
I have a p-51 and trying to do garage mods on it. I'm hoping your is pimped out the right way so I can get some info on it too
@@SurRonsterHow did you enhance the audio P.S. Huge fan
The fact he isn't wearing a motor cycle jacket and armor, or hell even full sleeves jacket while going like 65 mph had me sweating.
the happiness I get when I sit down and see that Sur ronster made a new video is un comparable
Your not real
@@Nateomateoyt how'd yk
I can't imagine how excited you would be to test ride an Energica Ribelle RS. It's all I can do to keep the front tire on the ground when fully accelerating. 0-60 in 2.6 seconds.
The thing i like about Sur Ronster is that hes totally honest and say if its bad or not like the seat was bad he said but it was a good crooser bike. And keep up with the work Sur Ronster❤
i wonder if it has some type of slow start enabled by default cus i think it probably has alot of torque if it can go that fast. edit: yep i found a video that showed the stock controller settings and it seems like it has a slow start setting enabled by default. that's probably why it didn't wheelie.
it also has less torque because it's a direct drive hub motor. if you've ridden direct drive hub motor ebikes you know they can be powerful but always have less torque than geared hub or mid drives.
this is because without gear reduction/torque multiplication, all the torque had to come from either lots of windings/or very high current /thick wires. both mean weight which is not good for hub motors, and cost (more copper). on the other hand hub motors have bigger radius so it helps torque a bit but still hard to match the torque achieved with gear reduction. on a sur Ron it would be the equivalent to run a tall gearing.
@@geemy9675 what in the delusional world are you saying lol. This hub motor has low turns and low amps, a mid drive still would have the same problem. Weight of hub motors is on par with mid drive but due to being on the wheel they need a better suspension setup but you get better wheelies and more space. gear reduction 🤣 that's not how it works with hub motors, they have copper wire turns within them that control torque and speed. A higher turn hub motor will have more torque. QS205 5T 0-50 (top speed) is quicker than a surron motor doing 0-50 with same gearing (50mph top speed) and amps. Dont speak if you have no clue abt ebikes.
@@SRNAR8 pretty sure some bicycle hub motors use gears but other than that i think you are right. i don't think there is enough space for gears in motorcycle hub motor.
@@SRNAR8 the "delusional" world where I live is a world where it is easier/cheaper/lighter/more efficient to generate high torque and power with small/fast spinning electric motors and gear reduction that multiplies the torque, than to generate same final torque and power with a much bigger/slow spinning direct drive motor. a world where all EV's and 90+% ebikes use gear reduction to achieve high torque. the vehicles that use direct drive hub motors are those with tiny wheels which don't need gear reduction. skateboards, scooters, etc. it's physics. power = rpm x torque that is why all high output/highly tuned electric OR gas engines have high rpms. then gear reduction allows high torque at low speeds.
It's most likely the way the bms is programmed on the battery. They wanted the battery to last for many cycles so they limited the bms to discharge low amps at start and slowly ramp up as opposed to dumping all the amps from the beginning like some batteries with different bms programming
I love taking that route for test drives in cars after fixing them. On the opposite side of the freeway, there are massive hills and windy roads, too. Great area to enjoy views but also duplicate almost any concern we may face. I would basically take this road on my commute if I end up buying one of these. It would need a 50-mile range and go at least 65mph, that's round trip, but I'd rather charge it at work only 😉
should have mentioned charging and the fact they also promised a quick removable battery which they later revised. I still the bike & Review i was gonna buy one but the community group pages had me worrying
yeah it suck that they change that up, but it only a few bolt to unscrew. Not as bad as people saying it to be. You can alway park it inside and charge it lol
Sonders did a great job with this bike for the price. I think they got the squeeze from other companies which forced them out of business. This bike would have been revolutionary with upgrades.
Duuuuudeeeee!!!! I was just there Friday 4/21 morning looking at the bike plug into a charger in San Diego!!!!
This channel is the only channel I watch for electric dirtbikes and how to build them and great job keep it up your videos are amazing!
11:45 Just to let you know because it looks like you never own a hub motor before but you can do wheelies with a hub motor just not that hub motor because it looks like they tuned it for top speed over torque. So just for your Info. Hub motors can also wheelie if tuned for torque over top speed and that also goes for mid drives as well
Yo ur intro is fyyyrrrreeeee with "on my own" and the helmet edit... jeeeeesshhhhh
Thank you bro! Gets me hyped every time
Without a clutch and gears it's still an E-bike to me but still sick AF.
Congrats for the camera work and good audio!
love the content ;) keep it up!!😄
One thing to keep on mind is that the wireless phone cradle does not accommodate the large Samsung phones. My note 10+ did not fit in that housing even without the case.
They have come a ways with styling, however, for 7K one can get a late model used adult sized ICE Bike with low miles with a comfortable seat and ride quality.
love the Doug DeMuro reference!
I live in SD! Love to see you out here.
“This is street legal I’m going to obey all the street laws. Except no license plate and motorcycle license” literally the TWO MOST IMPORTANT things to make it street legal other than the lights and mirrors xD it’s so ironic too when he said “obey all the street rules” but than again he is driving with no license plate or motorcycle license lmfaoooo
Was waiting till the end like surely there's a wheelie coming
Bomber Clone 72v, 65 mph for $3,300 plus shipping. Add $1,500 upgrades and it's pretty close to this Sondors.
This bike is now 4k for first 1000 customers..up to March 15th. They’re giving a 2500$ instant credit
You should check out the vmx08 from velimotors. It's a 105 lbs full carbon fiber framed street legal motorcycle. 72v 40ah battery with a 62 mph top speed. My serial number will be #4 but unfortunately I'm on the east coast. The guy who sells them is in Las Vegas.
Oh and it's a mid drive with great torque. E-powersports is the retailer if you are interested in looking it up.
New to the channel today and been watching your videos and I'm enjoying the content my guy keeep uploading awesome videos🤙 I hope you liked ☀️Carlsbad CA !!!! I live near the Area 😂😂
Imagine what you could do with that empty tank space. A floating head like Futurama would be hilarious.
The thumbnail got me, figured it was painted red by the owner, nope! To answer some questions below, unfortunately no ABS yet, also no regen.
Amazing content man great work👍
Wait, he's driving a Motorcycle without a motorcycle license ? Lmao, ballsy saying that in a youtube video. But honestly makes me want to get one even more now.
I think I might get my motorcycle license.❤❤❤
Decent bike but I think the Apollo RFN might take the cake! That reminds me the Cake bike might take the cake too!
Is it possible to get and ride such a nice bike here in Germany ...?
Great video bro, thank you so much! ❤
You don't pay tax on vehicles to the manufacturer you pay it to your state when you register
They arent so fast but the aniioki aq177's got nice range 52v 60ah ,quiet 110lbs battery n all full suspension a standa out for the budget commuter class under $2000
Love this banger vid. I still prefer a modded Surron tho but I still love this bike.
Ireall really lob Sur Ronster im ur biggest fan i do really lab ur video all of them ur fans from Philippines i wish we meet someday and i wish i have one of those electric motorcycle and we joy ride someday ❤❤❤
That Looks 🔥 bro
Very cool motorbike bro
Yoooo Sur Ronster can you do a review on any Super Soco bike, I ould love to see a proper review on the bike since I´m thinking of buying TSX, Thanks.
How's seat? some reviews saying that seats are terrible and uncomfortable.
HELLO FROM GREECE
i wish there was a way to put pedals on it. damn i could buy it.
Please review the new Sur-Ron Ultra Bee. It will hopefully my next city commuter bike with supermoto wheels on it.
Would you ever do a sur Ron or Yz85 giveaway if so consider me interested
“Except for having a license plate and motorcycle license” 😂😂😂
idk how it is in the US but here in sweden its a pretty big crime :P
@@diychef729 of course its still a big crime he just doesnt care
You know it’s gonna be a good day when Sur Ronster posts
Definitely
on a warm saturday afternoon? it’s been 20 and under here and is like 40 or 50 and feels like summer 😂😂 it’s a great day
Yes
Frrrrrr
Do you watch treyten by chance 😂
My man splitting lanes, no license plate or motorcycle license, no long sleeve on! Feeling a bit anxious when you took your hands off thinking how’s this thing going to handle if you hit a small bump in the road!
Totally agree with you, my friend. He's a total clown! Gives legitimate motorcycle riders a bad name.
@@reiki-guy3894 he's just a showoff, not that deep
No signaling, and rapid lane changes. This guy is a reckless and inconsiderate.
lmao just realizing this? He's a stunter, surrons ain't legal too lol
Accident waiting to happen, but the content is more important of course.
bro is riding bikes without a license 💀💀💀
Is it a crime in nyc
??
I run an ebike repair shop(electric pdx) and hate dealing with sondors to get parts or support. They consistently send me the wrong parts and I have to spend hours of bs time waiting for them for any answers. I really can’t recommend them.
Everyone should consider taking advice from mechanics before buying
Thank you
@@miladwolfster4309 thank you. I really appreciate that. It’s something that people don’t think about when they first buy a PEV but when(not if) something breaks you’ll want to be able to find replacement parts from the manufacturer. Luckily they have parts but unlucky they tent to phase out old bikes and parts for them way too fast. I am somewhat confident that you will be able to get the parts for the bike for a long time but it’s just going to get harder as the bike gets older. Just depends on how soon they phase it out with a new one. First generation bikes get the shaft sooner.
My Yamaha is a lot more powerful and cheaper. A lot safer too. I know you just do these reviews for free stuff, but most +40 mph electric vehicles are quite dangerous.
They make no sound too and thats incredibly dangerous for a motorcycle.
Too expensive.
Wow the effort in each of your videos is insane! Keep up the good work!!
Wish you would've done a gps speed test to check REAL WORLD SPEED!
When you gonna review a modified Fiido Q1S, or possibly thy new Q2 coming out in May, that'd be cool as hell!
I'm building a Fiido Q1S now, after already owning 2 other of their ebikes, now I gotta save for the Q2 & make some room in my 509sqft apartment, already have 5 ebikes & an e-Scooter in my living room!!! 😆
I got a Sondors Rockstar TH-cam channel pretty much dedicated to the bike. I’ve thrown everything at it and modified the hell outta it. Sondors are great bikes. Great review Sur🤙🏻
I personally love the direct drive aspect of this motorcycle. I use them one most all my E-Bike builds, they are about bullet proof with no moving parts. I have no need to be popping wheelies, no country for old men. But do like the top end of the silent power they produce. Never heard of a system having a top mode that cuts out after a short time except if the battery were dying. Most E-bike system have multiple power setting but I never had one do that. Like the frame design seeing you can be creative with an electric vehicle design.
I'm guessing the bike is switching between its peak power rating and its continuous power rating-- and not doing so in a smooth manner. Very problematic on the highway!
Thank you for ending my day well. Love your vids, watching from Kenya
I love the hub motor on my Stealth Bomber, its such a different feelin than my Sur Ron... so quiet and def have more of an "ebike" feel.... its like your'e one with the road, I love it 🤙🏼🙌🏼
💯🫡
No chain either making for almost zero maintenance on the bike.
Big problem with hub motors is that the wheel becomes too heavy, it is called unsprung mass and on bikes and motorcycles it sacrifices handling quality. It is ok for scooters but that is probably why surron has a chain
Not really, once you have a bike over 100lbs, the "unsprung mass" is barely felt. Yes you need a better suspension as there is a motor there that can bounce up but you get more space for battery, better wheelies and control of them and also more range.
@@SRNAR8 So you admit you are sacrificing ride quality for battery space. No one cares about wheelies when shopping for a bike that is supposed to be for commuting.
@@corail53 Kids who don't know how to ride a motorcycle care about wheelies. It's all that matters. Lol. Safety last.
may want to get ur license now. opening the door to vendors to send product for reviews. but now they know you arent actually suppose to be riding
Welp. This didn't age well. If only Storm Sondors did stuff like.. oh, I dont know.. maybe PAY HIS BILLS!! Pay his partners, the builders of this unfinished "might have been" I wonder what dare he decided screw it - I'm just gonna jet with everyone's deposits.
I am very impressed with the suspensions. For this price, it's still good. Even though it's not the perfect motorcycle, Sondors did something amazing, and that is to create a vehicle within this segment. I hope they become successful because that means there will be more competition later down the line, which is great for consumers. As of right now, the only other e-motorcycle that I would consider are the Zero bikes, and those start at least 2x this. If Sondors can produce something that can hit 90mph without a cooldown period, I'm sure they would sell a lot because people can actually take it on the highway. Honestly, this is less Sondors's problem than it is battery technology. To have a battery this small and light that can handle that amount of output is not easy with current battery tech. However, solid state, salt batteries are going into production now so if those become available, I'm sure Sondors and many other players can do amazing things with that.
The technology is there Dude if you inject stator fluid ie, millions of round nano particles suspended in oil into the hub stator just 6ml it will stick to the magnets and stop friction hence more than half the heating process! What a bike though eh!
@@rogereheadbyrne4790 Yeah but is it there for something of this size? The motor spinning any faster might also be a problem. That's why specifically for the Plaid, its rotor has a carbon sleeve surrounding it so that it can hold back the expansion under that speed. I was also wondering if the limitation is also the output of the battery of that size as well, so not even anything to do with friction yet. Since there is only 1 type of lithium battery being used in all EVs right now, you literally can not put out more power with a small battery until new battery tech comes out.
this bike is such a letdown considering it was made by a company that's not new to electric power trains on bikes, with its cool down period and limited top speed, overweight and overpriced. I can't understand why people are giving it an overall pass just because it's electric. I would get a pimped out Rukus over this or some EYE-talian moped I can do wheelies on 😅
@@estebanfranco8955 It gets a pass because the competition just isn't there unless you go back to ICE. For those who want an electric two wheel commuter it ticks a lot of boxes.
@@BN99239 if you reduce friction it will make slightly more net power output. I don't think the bike will go any faster top speed so no issue for the rotor
but better heat didfipari9' is always good especially if you wanna hammer the throttle and do extended runs at top speed. they already implemented overheating protection by limiting sports mode duration with a cool down period but it can't hurt to improve the cooling and If they ever unlock continuous sports mode or if someone figures out a way to remove the cool down the your bike is ready to handle the heat. I would say if you've already worked on hub motors and you know what. you're doing, it's all good
otherwise watch some videos from grin technologies for instance.
when the stark varg releases will you be showcasing it? it has a 60 horsepower and 80 horsepower model and its an electric dirt bike. its only 110kg and great suspension. when you can get one you should check it out its extremely powerful
I hope he does since I'm planning on buying it, I'm definitely sceptical about the claimed horsepower in each model though.
Enjoy these short videos as the intros are short, he gets right at it and the video production is top notch. Great job.
I'm extremely impressed with a thoroughness of this video. I'm definitely going to be a follower on your channel because I really liked the objective approach you gave to the review of the bike. Great video, and I love your honesty!
I’m super surprised by how conservatively they tuned the acceleration off the line. We know from other low power electric vehicles that normally the only place where they shine is during initial acceleration
I would put money down this has to do with extending the range of the bike. On a quick cruise? Use sport mode. Otherwise you're running a bit slow off the line and bumping up the city range estimate.
Very hard to beat for the price. I could see a METACYCLE Pro edition possibly being created, in the not too distant future. Very thorough and well done review. Thank you.
it will be a 20 grand bike :D
Looks like they are making a new bike now with claimed to be updated specs but Sondors has a history of over claiming what they can produce and then delivering a good but lesser product. They are also kind of struggling with money right now which has me worried if they should be trying to make a new, bigger and more expensive bike at all.
It has already gone up 2k in less than a year.
Love your videos man keep up the good work 😊
I've had both motorcycles and E-bikes. I'd kinda have to go with gas motorcycle over ebike for 1 main reason... 1-2 minute gas fill up vs. 5 hours of charging. Nobody wants to wait 5 hours to contine the ride! Especially if you live in the hills. Hills take a lot more energy then the flat lands of the mid-east.
When downhill, use regenerative braking only. Will help the range a lot.
Looks great! One thing tho, if you tune a hub motor for it, they can be just as snappy as a mid drive motor. It might take a higher input current, but they def have the snap. Check out my build, I can firsthand say it has the snap of a mid drive.
Yeah i have seen some really good hub motors that would do crazy power wheelies. 😃
I think they may have made it less snappy to make it more easy to ride for beginners. 🙂
Honestly looks pretty good too almost like a mini tron looking bike 😅
For my purposes this works well, pricey but I’m ok with the price of a 2023 Diavel or the new Nightster Special from Harley. Manufacturers like Volcon over price and under deliver. This is probably well worth the cake but I’ll need to ride one before I spend all that
You can get a helluva used real motorcycle for under $7k !!
I love the idea, but given the constraints of this ev vs a equally priced ice bike (any 300/400), I still lean towards the ice bikes. Range, acceleration, technology, ride modes, etc still heavily favor the ice variants.
After 10 min of googling, I've only found what looks to be mountain bikes when I search ice bike. What is an ice bike??
@@liquidlinguist3331 ice stands for internal combustion engine, the opposite of electric cars/bikes known as EV’s.
@@chrisdupuy7749 Thank you much friend, my mind can rest easy now knowing there aren't some crazy psychopaths out there riding on bikes made of ice.
EV's don't deafen you and your neighbors.
@@ThePiemasteification all my neighbors have corvettes, vipers, mustangs, go carts, 4-wheelers, motorcycles etc. I guess I am used to hearing the sweet music of a combustion engine.
Hey, so i just bought a GoPro and was wondering what settings you use
I'd be interested in your take on the Ryvid when it comes out. Though it costs slightly more than the Sondors, it's got some next-level specs, some cool features, and an easily removable, drop-down roll-away battery to allow you to take in and charge.
2:40 "So this is street legal. Im gonna abide by all the laws" As he is chilling in the crosswalk on a motorcycle. 😂
Seems like a nice package overall. Guess the question is, can you overcome the negatives, like the grips and pegs?
Aftermarket grips and pegs would easily fix that issue.
A new 2022 hasqvarna 401 cost as low as 5000 CAD (~3600 usd). It is basically a stylish Duke 390 (just google it, its gorgeous) with 40hp and can go up to 110 mph. So you tell me if this electric motorcycle with a hub motor is worth it.
It'll be awesome for the sidewalks! Just playin'! Kind'a. But I'm sure they're going to put something to a vote that tries to ruin fun . We need to band together when it comes.
Out enjoying life good boy, I'm 65 I might get me one of these , love the wind in my face, and less maintenance than a gas bike, I can travel in silence
LOUD PIPES SAVE LIFES!!! That's so DANGEROUS!!!!!!!
forgive me for not knowing shit about motorcycles but WOW do people really just take their hands completely off the handlebars at highway speed so casually??
$7,000 ya nope, you can get a Real Bike that goes way faster for less.. Electric is cool and all but not at that price for those batteries. That's what we call a bad investment. Try again..
I ordered and paid for my Metacycle more than 2 years ago and still have not received it. I would think twice about ordering one of these. I am quite disappointed.
Im sorry if this offends anyone, but why spend 7k on an e bike.... lmaooo just buy a 2000 dollar motorcycle. Might as well.
Ever see a deadly motorcycle accident? It is something to make one never want to ride without at least some kind of protection. The road will rip skin to BONE!
'Ugly weld mark'
Im not a welder, or an engineer, but that's such a bizarre statement for someone to say. Stick to a bus, dude.
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Right at the start I can already see some things, even if it can do everything the motor is on the wheel, and it's a huge motor, that's alot of unsprung wheight, that's how they where able to put the battery lower since in the surroon the motor ocupies part of that space, but overall it seems good if you intend to drive on asphalt, as soon as you go offroad that unsprung wheight in the rear wheel may be a problem, at least it has a lower center of gravity compared to the surron...
This is completely street legal so I’m going to abide by all the motorcycle laws. Except for having a license plate and motorcycle license.
I'm 10 but I'm your biggest fan
I like e-bikes but for way less than 7k there are so many better options. Just take a look at a 390 duke or a ninja 400.
I canceled my order and bought EUC instead that can go up to 60mph and have 100+ miles of range for the same price. I'll eceive my Damon HyperSport hopefully this summer and you can check it out when you come to the next Houston Surron Mega Ride.
Despite the hype, I will not ride this. Too dangerous. Careless drivers will not see/hear you on this thing.
I would imagine a hub motor would give you a bad ride in rear because it's unsprung weight.
Wait .....You don't have a plate, motorcycle license or insurance? Shame on you
The fluid shaking in the brake reservoir can cause cavitation which could be deadly
These e-mopeds are going to be extremely dangerous for anyone without a background in riding motorcycles. They have no clue.
When is the Surronster Ebike coming out?? been waiting for it for like a year!!!
5,000 dollars? Nahhh you can keep it i rather buy a gas power bike