Just got to say this is the best channel on this platform. No annoying drawn out intros, no begging for likes and subscriptions, and when you do a sponsorship, it feels like its part of the video. Cant forget the wonderful camera work, amazing script, and overall beautiful production. There is no "fat" in these videos, every shot, word, and transition is gold. Amazing video like always.
No joke! Even the product placement is just more useful information. It’s the opposite of those things that pop up in my feed, with some broad being all “so I’ve been getting a lot of questions about my face routine…” (NO, BONCH. NOBODY WANTS TO KNOW WHAT MAKEUP SHOTGUN YOU USE). When I watch F9, and I bet a lot of you are the same, I literally am like “damn these are shot well, I wonder what they use.”
@@dheeraj_nadimpalli It’s spam. The same account is spamming all the other comments with the same thing. You see it all over TH-cam in the last several weeks. I never click the links but I’ll probably accidentally do it some time in the future. Someone is probably paying botnet operators to increase views of certain videos and this is one of their tricks. No idea how they keep TH-cam from filtering them. Normally, any post I make with a URL normally gets ghosts right away: I can see it but others can’t unless the channel operator digs it out of their spam comment list and marks it “not spam.”
I assume he has writers? If not then he puts all presenters on tele to shame(either way it’s one of the best programmes going) thanks to everyone who created this 👍
That face-to-face ending is so good not just from a review perspective but narratively-speaking. Even Fortnine’s short reviews are so expertly written and Ryan executes exceptionally as always.
I just want to say, I have never owned a motorcycle; your vids are so well produced and thought out that I am subscribed with the bell rang. Great vids...I will get a bike one day!
I love how honest, yet poetic review was. It's like, they were going into this knowing that Sondors PR people were going to be upset by seeing a negative review, but they executed so well on the video, that the PR people will still have to acknowledge that it's just totally honest and well done.
This watches like a story. The introduction of a character, drama regarding their origin, conflict of interest between riders, a slightly melancholic but satisfying ending. High quality
@@aaronleverton4221 A better question is, why hasn't TH-cam done something about it? This one seems pretty easy to thwart, as far as these things go, and it's not like there's a shortage of examples.
Nice video as usual. The price increase to about 7k at the time of this video from 5k when it was first announced changes the equation though. At the original offering, it was closer to scooters. Now when compared to 400-500cc motorcycles, it is a harder to justify easily given the company's short history and lower versatility (rather low top speed for much time on US motorways)
I know this is 9 months old but I’m starting to research electric motorcycles as gas will eventually be banned in California. I can’t believe they’ve dared to wander into SV650 territory with this pricing
@@inthenickoftime__ Agree with part of your comment. Gas is not going to be banned for a long time in CA. Even in 12 years (2035), it will be new gas car sales that will stop. Used cars, slightly used cars imported from other states (loophole), and motorcycles will not be touched for 15-20. The tech and prices will be much better by then and you probably won't want a gas powered vehicle (based on performance, nostalgia maybe).
@@james45478 I hope you’re right. There’s a lot that will have to change about infrastructure for electric cars and bikes to be viable for everyone. I considered buying an electric car until I realized I have no convenient way to charge it: my apartment complex was built in the 60’s, and while I do have access to regular 120v, level 1 charging is essentially useless, and the owner has no interest in adding any sort of charging capability. I’m sure I’ll have a house by the time it’s a problem, but that won’t be the case for lots of people. Sitting around for an hour in a parking lot waiting for my car to charge is simply not something I’m willing to do when I can fill a gas tank in 3 minutes.
@@inthenickoftime__ Yes there is a lot that has to be built and it will not make sense for everyone (particularly those that live in rural areas). However used, cars from NV, or new plug in hybrids (that people only sometimes plug in) will be available when that happens a dozen years from now.
I like the concept of a minimalist e-motorcycle which has the spirit of a e-bicycle. A real errand runner which is not barred from taking a short jaunt on the highway. If the thing is reliable and doesn't leave you stranded with burnt-out MOSFETs I can see this bike making a lot of people very, very happy. What I'd like to see is some standardization in the lithium battery pack field. If the 50AH, 72V battery here (my rough guess) is costing you half the value of the bike, that's a significant investment. I'd like the battery to be able to be pulled easily, for urban dwellers who lack an outdoor charge outlet, and the compartment key-locked for battery theft prevention when briefly parked unattended. For homeowners, I'd like that battery pack to also work with a pure sine wave inverter as a handy AC power source during outages, and also be able to put it in a riding mower, powered watercraft (outboard or jet-ski), etc. Why buy multiple batteries for these things when you will be using only one of them at a time, or only sporadically?
@@_implying This is true, one may cycle a lithium battery only so many times, and overcharging or repeatedly charging right up to 100% capacity further diminishes its longevity. But they have a shelf life too, and there is a profound environmental cost to manufacturing them, and an obvious monetary cost to buying the bigger ones. Time is not your friend regarding your battery investment, may as well use that battery; they are not an ornament to place on a shelf. Sure, power your phones, portable devices with proprietary-use lithium batteries but for bigger (18, 36, 48, 72, 102 volt) batteries there should be set, interchangeable batteries in group sizes. Within that group a maker could have caddies for two such batteries within that group should the current capacity for power and range demands require it.
This would require publicly traded for profit companies to coordinate efforts for consumer and environmental benefit. This won't happen because that doesn't maximize profits. Integrated, proprietary batteries maximize profits
Sound perfect if all I want to do is jaunt to my neighborhood grocery to pick up a few things, and stop by a local lunch place/pub on the way back. And for $5K. Plus I'm sure it prolly won't spike my electrical bill with the recharges. Might just look into it. Just wish the battey would come out like an ebikes.
I just love how you couldn't resist having Road 5's on it as well. A man of taste. Also, the meta conversation on whether we should take corporate words at face value and never forgive that kind of behavior, or just simply accept and judge the product for ourselves, was definitely one worth having.
my god ! i can't even begin to express how blown away i am by your cinematography whoever is in your team of video creator's/editor's, need to be praised endlessly for this level of production
@@vincedibona4687 mate. If you think i care enough to do grammar correction on the internet, you would be wrong. I'm sure the apostrophe is an autocorrect which i didn't bother with just like every other apostrophe in this comment
This is the most professionally written and filmed review about a consumer product that I have ever viewed. Talk about honesty and being a well informed reviewer! The cinematography was excellent. Thanks for the review.
The amazing thing is *all* the videos are of this quality. Each unique, not really formulaic or anything but all well written, entertaining and informative. This is honestly the best produced channel on TH-cam. Everyone else making videos for TH-cam should be learning from it :)
@@joecamel6835 LOL if that isn’t the truth. Electric motorcycle is like building an inferior motorcycle that costs significantly more, weighs more, has limited range and questionable long-term battery life. The proponents of this nonsense need plenty more soy milk to wash down those bugs
That's some creative filmmaking and an engaging review. Kudos! Now, explain that first shot, I'm assuming a pull-through of the 360 camera from a parallel bike. Smoooooth!
I had the choice about a year ago - $5k (plus delivery fee of about $1k btw) for this or $4k total for a 2019 Ninja 400. I went with the Ninja and very glad I did, the performance on it just blows this thing out of the water. Plus I would have been pissed to learn about the effectively non-removable battery, that was a huge selling point to charge it under my desk at the office but not with that more complicated system. Glad I made the right decision!
From what I understand this is the first version and unlike the Ninja, it's going to have a lot less maintenance to deal with as well as being something that you can charge at home. Don't get me wrong, the Ninja will do a ton of stuff that this won't, so you'd probably have been unhappy with this one. But as a cheap commuter motorcycle, it's probably a better choice.
@@SmallSpoonBrigade Maybe it is the first generation, but I would rather not be the one to beta test it on my dime. Maintenance is pretty easy and well understood on the Ninja, I did all the 7,500 mile stuff in the manual myself, and I think more mechanics would understand it over the metacycle right now. The other thing, the metacycle only started shipping recently. That means for $2k less I got about 6,500 miles in the saddle, and I calculated I saved an additional $1,750 in gas savings and parking fees this last year alone. I just don't feel there is anything the Metacycle can do right now aside from being electric that I am really missing. But hey, glad people are enjoying it for what it is, that's good. Maybe I'll get the Gen 3 down the road!
FortNine's production value is consistently way above what you'd expect from 99% of other youtubers. absolutely amazing as always. Id listen to you explain how grass grows!
Extraordinary filming, editing, script, audio, and overall production value make this , out of hundreds of thousands of channels on youtube, my absolute favorite... Keep up the great work!
@@rick-7197 Which is still a bit scam-ish because over here in the km/h-world we rate acceleration time for 0-100, which again is close to 0-60 mph (60 mph = 96 km/h).
Been watching this channel for so many years now. Literally the only channel I wait for to release videos, and watch it within hours of release. Always brings a smile to my face with the amazing direction, quirky punchlines and objective reviews. Keep it up F9.
Always the best! More than 50 years riding and more than 40 in computers and it's heartening to see such competence in young generations. Rarely disagree with you and when I do it's for the age thingy. At my age, I will probably never buy an electric bike, but I already have an electric trottinette that makes me feel like a kid again, so your take on the matter would be interesting. 🙂
@@marcusaurelius841 I haven't seen a lot of videos utilizing 360 videos at all, so i might be just impressed by the novelty. Still, the way it's implemented within the narrative of the video makes it very cool.
@@GRZNGT like @marcus aurelius I've seen plenty of 360 shots (they have been normal in surfing, SUP and cycling videos for a few years) and I'm no fan. The rounded effect is interesting at first but I've some to the point that they irritate me. I watch TV / TH-cam on a rectangular screen so having the '360' look has lost its novelty and just feels distorted. That said, Ryan held off overdoing the spinning effect so the camera was more used as a tool than being the event so this is a good example of how it can be used.
I am a biker and I watch FortNine. If i were not a biker i'd still watch FortNine. Written and performed well enough to be entertaining just on it's own merits. Well done. Great content.
The fuel gauge visual under the ad break, to let us know how long till we get back to the video? Revolutionary. Not joking. HOW WAS A MOTORCYCLE REVIEW CHANNEL THE FIRST PLACE I ENCOUNTERED EDIT-CANDY SO USEFULLY VIEWER-FRIENDLY? Y'all are social media gods.
Beautiful film work on this one. The amount of time and effort put into this for such a short video is exceptional. Deserves a damn award for Videography
Just found your channel, and this production quality, writing, and "acting" is phenomenal and seems extremely rare on youtube now. And even your actual review of the bike wasn't completely one sided. Great video.
How useful is the "void" for storage. The oem thing probably doesn't hold a lot, but I can also see someone like Ryan just stuffing a backpack in the hole. And using tie downs around that thick bar. Being able to see that your bag is still there would be reassuring.
My concern is while at pricepoint, it makes sense for the shprt comings as any other of same price check. But some others of same price point are fixable of most short comings in comparison. I love that you do accurate reviews on these!
EVs and their batteries are not cheap. You take significant cost out by downsizing the battery. Downsize the battery and the useful life and range go down exponentially. A major cost element in the battery is BMS which is has an initial high fixed cost independent of battery size. This fixed cost of BMS does nothing to enhance the useable range. There is no free lunch. Pay more initially or pay substantially more in the long-run. If you think you can buy cheap EV motorcycle without major pitfalls then you really can't afford one unless you need a 20 mile or less commuter that is single passenger only with limited overall utility. Then on resale there are not many buyers who want the same or there are but likely at 1/3 or less than the price of new.
@@kannermw It is worth considering that EVs and ICEs cannot be easily compared price point to price point. Selecting a 5,000 dollar EV and a 5,000 dollar ICE are not equal. The ICE costs much more as it will greatly surpass the EV in long term ownership costs. You are absolutely right though there isn't a 'free lunch' you pay more for more or you pay less for less. There isn't going to be a magic bullet that suddenly fixes the range besides fundamentally changing the shape of a motorcycle to be more aerodynamic. Just like you can't buy a 3,000 dollar 50cc scooter and expect it to munch highways, it just can't. You gotta temper your expectations.
@@SirNarax Telling me to temper my expectations to accept a crappy more expensive EV technology is like suggesting I should pay more for a lessor product I don't want or like. EV motorcycle is a completely stupid idea for anything other than daily commuter. Majority of people in U.S. ride a motorcycle mostly for recreation not basic transportation to save money. When I ride a motorcycle it is typically on weekends and about 180 miles to 220 miles per day. I am not interested in sitting around for 6 or more hours waiting for a battery to charge in the middle of a trip to save at most $15-$20 for a day of riding which is peanuts. Maybe I leave knowing bad weather is coming or the weather starts to change and I want to get back before that happens. Time is way more valuable to me than money. I have purchased three new motorcycles since 2013 and never kept one more than 4.5 years. All mileage under 25K. In my personal use case and I imagine many others an EV motorcycle is a impractical money pit for morons.
@@kannermw That comment was for people capable of critical thought, with an open mind and weighing the pros and cons of a vehicle without getting emotional or irrational which you seem to be entirely incapable of. You don't even entirely know what you are talking about. You don't need to like something to view it fairly and with an open mind. This is just stupidity and not worth any more of my time.
After a year and a half I got back on a bike and watching your channel, you still got it. Great video and entertaining with real words that are not watered down. Love your content.
Your channel came before than my first bike. I was 100% sure it was going to be an electric, a city commuter. Sondors was one of the options, but I end up getting a Efun Pusa (Vespa replica) 80km real range, 85km top speed, 0-50/km/h in 3.7s and a trully removable batery with 8y warranty (on a 60%capacity) for 3680€. It might not look as cool as the Sondors, but looks aren't all, side by side on specs makes Sondors blush. Anyway, good review, good video, love your channel!
@Stem Artin ofc practicality is a personal thing, i wanted to store 2 helmets in the bike (so i needed a suitcase and a confy passenger sear, so enduro was not a real option, although it looks way cooler 😁😇
I had one of the first deposits, and then fully purchase, on the Metacycle. I cancelled mine due to timeline slipping. My circumstances required me to have transpiration soon rather than maybe later. The spec slipping was not a deal breaker for me. But the schedule slip was. The lack of communication between the customer and the producer was lacking and left many doubts. I want an affordable electric motorcycle, but I think that the market is still only for the upper crust that has disposable income, and, possibly more importantly, disposable time to wait.
I dont even own a motorcycle, never had one and always wanted a car, we could say I am a "car guy". But no car Channel has the same level of knowledge, amazing ideas and great shots(and editing) in their video. On top of that you are So consistent, that it is unreal. Amazing
Each and every video from you makes me feel like a child on Christmas day again! You guys are awesome and deserve a lot of cookies (yes, I suspect someone is holding the camera too, although that grabbing-the-camera-mid-corner scene made me wonder). Would you ever come to Sweden, I would personally greet you at the airport with the biggest box of cookies you've ever seen. Hey, I could almost even consider letting you ride my bike.
I’ve never seen one your videos before so I don’t know if this is your standard quality, but this was so well-written that I didn’t even need it to be as well-produced as it is, but what a cherry on top! Great work!
$6,500 US.... or roughly $9,000 Canadian. Not counting whatever import duty they charge at the border......but likely pushing this bike to over $10,000....for a hub-motor electric motorcycle. For that price, I want and expect a frame-mounted motor. As always, you guys make amazing videos that let consumers decide for themselves. But until Sondors can provide Canadians with proper pricing, without worrying about DIY pricing, they aren't ready for prime-time. Thank you for making this awesome video presenting one of the most interesting machines on the market.
@@Joric78 Even then it would be close to $7000 Canadian with me doing all the importing myself and that's before any import duty. Also this means Buying a motorcycle from a company with no parts support which means within 2 years of the rear suspension having to deal with that giant heavy hub motor me watching to upgrade the suspension will be a challenge, as will a hub motor rebuild. If they had delivered a motorcycle with a frame mounted motor I think it would have been a legitimate competitor to motorcycles like the Honda CB300R but as this sits it's just not as good
I normally agree, but am a bit disappointed by the misinformation in the title and video. They're $6,500 but they put $5,000 in the title....and this isn't a very recent price hike, it's been like that for months and months before this video was posted.
I've been eyeing one of these for a while now- I don't believe they are $5000 anymore, more like $7000. The range and speed profile fit my daily commute perfectly with some to spare. I have the room to store it in the winter. Things I would change: Yes the extra taillight and plate thingy would be removed immediately and replaced with something more appealing. First things first- I would replace the handlebars with a pair of clip-on's, but that's just for me and my riding style.
Amazing vid. As ever the problems remains that $5k gas bikes have gotten so good. You just get so much more performance and build quality for your money.
Yeah, I was all about this bike initially but I just don’t trust Sondors. I’m in the market for a cheap commuter and I’d take a Himalayan at this price point.
Yeah, just like almost every other comment I'm very satisfied with your content and high professional level of content creation! I've been a motorcycle rider since seven years old, I still ride and all your different videos makes me even more interested. Great videos guys! I just wished you had a shop for international buyers. Greets from Sweden FTW🤘
It's the beginning of a excellent idea..must get the recharge time down or sell the 2and battery at a good rate..and then just work on confort and hauling issues..
Insightful and entertaining, as always. As an old geezer who rode for 20 years, took a 15 year break, and has now got back into biking, is there any chance that there could be a video for not-so newbies? Something helpful about how things have changed in the last few years and what to look out for in terms of clothing, bikes, general tips? For instance, armour or abs, etc. We never had that in our day, where armour was the accumulated padding from last week’s lunches and ABS was a measure of how good your brake control was.
Thank you. When I was a kid, the big push was that we were going metric. I wasn’t interested, didn’t want it, and it never happened. Now I wish it had.
Bloody Brilliant - as usual. This was so good I watched it twice ! Informative / creative / well shot and funny as hell. Well done ! Still laughing about the removable battery comments!
At $5,000 it is in the realm of being a useful, affordable second commuter bike. But going on their site now, it's $6,500, which starts getting harder to justify, given it's range limitations and charging time - it is only ever going to be useful as a commuter.
Unfortunately the part that killed the Metacycle was the loss of the removable battery. Paper math said that it'd just barely get me to work every day. Figured I could pop out the battery and charge it at the office, and head home with a full charge each day. Add in the auxiliary battery and range anxiety is gone. Killing that feature killed interest for me... Hello, Ryvid Anthem
This is exactly the type of electric motorbike I've been arguing for all along: affordable, adequate power, usable range, exchangeable battery.. it overcomes the obsession of electric vehicles having blistering performance just because they can. And yet I'm left wanting more - more range, especially. This will be a great stepping stone to a range of bikes that are genuinely usable and meet the needs of a variety of riders. As it stands, this bike would be fine for my commute to work - but it doesn't have enough range to get to the other side of town and back. That's a pretty big limitation for most of us.
I have an idea: where you have the option to have a storage compartment in that hole in the frame, make the option for a second battery for those that want extended range
I feel similarly! We even made a video on why these cheap, minimal e-motorcycles are the solution to our slow adoption of e-motorcycles: th-cam.com/video/O2zlYpy6QCM/w-d-xo.html . I credit Sondors with filling the gap, and if they improve on the Metacycle in Gen 2 and 3 it has the potential to be a serious disruptor. ~RF9
okay this is interesting, I live in the Netherlands, and we have a total different view of distance to be travelled. With this motorcycle I could drive through 3 medium sized cities (enschede-hengelo-almelo) AND back without charging once. How big are your towns that you can only travel one way in a town?? Is it very rural or something?
I was waiting for that subjective conclusion that never came. Great content! IMO, it’s a mobility scooter that can *actually* hit 60 and look great doing it.
Great review, thanks Had one pre ordered right when announced, kept through all the delays then went to see it at the LA expo and canceled right after. Too small and was rough around the edges. Was looking like it would never meet its specs and it seems that turned out true
Its chinese, did you really expect something different? They are incapable of making a quality product of their own design. Their first thought is to make it as cheap as possible, knowing that enough suckers will buy it. Proof? Anything on Amazon that is from a chinese supplier that is a knockoff of another product.
It's 100% Chinese made and marketed the way Chinese always do (lie), expect this and you will not be surprised in the future. People from western countries need to stop buying the absolutely cheapest components and start buying quality component they can afford from manufactures who don't have hundreds of slave labor camps making the parts or rapaciously mining, and dumping all the toxins into the ground, water and air. Zero manufactures excellent Electric machines.
I've already studied this bike.After watching your video I decided why not.This would be perfect for commuting to work(18 miles round trip) and for local errands.I have 2 "traditional" motorcycles so this would be a good alternative.I went to the website which bragged about a $5k price.I hit the buy link and all of a sudden it's $6500,WTF.Needless to say they just lost a sale.
I own a Meyacycle (my first and only motorcycle (for now)) and I love it., Totally sad whats happening at Sondors and how many people don't have their bikes yet., I truly hope they can survive the Storm (see what I did there?), come out the other side intact and deliver on their orders.
Love all this content, especially the look into electric 2 wheel alternatives. Hoping we'll get a look/comparison of the Sur Ron/Segway/Talaria at some point 🤞!
@@MAL-Collector it could barely reach 55kmh, cars started to pass me in the city. Normal flow of Traffic tends to be around 60kmh in the city on the longer straights.
I almost ordered one of these then decided against it because of the range issue. I'm 2 hours away from any mountains so I went with a KTM 390 Adventure instead.
Honestly, if this is where we're at right now at this price point, kinda hype for the near future. I haven't had a motorcycle since I rehomed mine due to some engine issues like 5 years ago, but I'm excited for what I can get in the future! :D
These are Chinese batteries from a Chinese manufacturer, expect them to fail in a year or two and then the entire machine will be worthless. Or you could just buy a real motorcycle from Zero motorcycle company.
I love electric motorcycles, but I would not hold your breath for the Damon. Say what you will about Sondors at least their product exists in the real world.
This video highlights some of the shortcomings of electric motorcycles. They always seem... unfinished in some way. But the potential is there and I'm ready for electric motorcycles to become the norm. No more oil and filter changes, no valve adjustments, no noise, no emissions regulations, and no shifting. Sounds like a win to me! I'm hungry for a street legal dual sport that rides like an electric dirt bike, and it's only a matter of time.
@@Felix-tp8ch o k a y? Who cares what you find 'not cool'. We will have to make that switch eventually like it or not. Oil is a very limited supply and burning it takes away the opportunity to ride for our children. EV is a normal motorcycle.
@@waxdood With current usage we are expected to run out of fuel within the next 50 years or less. It will be more than that because as oil becomes harder and harder to find it becomes more and more expensive. Lithium from mines will last somewhere in the next 100 years. Both of these things can be artificially manufactured. Oil and it's oil based products such as plastic can be made out of things like Sugar Cane. Lithium can be harvested from Brine, natural or artificial. But it doesn't make sense to artificially create oil as a fuel source. Unless 100% of the grid is renewable and there is a massive excess in electricity, using power to create power to be burned isn't clever. Not that we have a choice as we are running out of all fossil fuels not just oil. Even if you did want to mass produce artificial oil hydrogen makes more sense. Then on top of that if 100% of the power grid was renewable battery powered vehicles make more sense not less. Lithium can not only be artificially produced but also recycled. It isn't which sucks but all this combined makes the argument that "we are going to run out of lithium" as an argument for the continued use of fossil fuels is an inaccurate one and couldn't be further from the truth. The only fossil fuel that will last anywhere near as long as the Lithium supply is coal, which sucks.
Cool bike, I wish they came with 2 batteries that could be put in either series or parallel configuration allowing choice between extra range or power.
alas, while that works for AA/AAA batteries and simple lights, it gets more complicated when you're talking MOSFETS and switching-mode power supplies. The controller is built for a particular voltage range, top-to-bottom. putting two packs in series doubles the voltage, but keeps the max current the same. Putting them in parallel keeps the voltage the same, but doubles max current. It effectively comes out in the wash, with parallel being easier to accommodate electronically.
What a great review. Most reviewers seem to be biased toward a negative or a positive review, but you manage to get both points of view in the same video and do it in a very intelligent, entertaining, and thoughtful manner. You are worth more than they are paying you.
In couple years they still provably trying to fill the 1st year preorders 😂 people been waiting over a year. Change in production just going to piss off current orders.
@Begodecrashtestdummy î guess. But i'd still think there arent a lot of people ready to pay for a bike, whose only use it is to commute with. If it had a "normal" range, id be quite interested.
@@1414Kai The woes of living in a car dependent world on a vehicle with poor aerodynamics. Only way to fix it is stuffing more batteries which drives up the cost or fundamentally redesign the shape of a motorcycle. I would also be curious though what you define as a "normal" range as many people do not have trips that need to cover more than 50 miles. That seems like a particularly long distance to travel.
@@SirNarax Most of my normal weekend trips revolve around the 300km mark. Given that I'd have to wait every 100 ish km for the bike to recharge fully, I'd probably not be riding at all anymore. But you do you, Iam not doing short distance trips on my bike, but iam mostly riding for fun. It would surely cover my commute to work, which I use my car for.
Just got to say this is the best channel on this platform. No annoying drawn out intros, no begging for likes and subscriptions, and when you do a sponsorship, it feels like its part of the video. Cant forget the wonderful camera work, amazing script, and overall beautiful production. There is no "fat" in these videos, every shot, word, and transition is gold. Amazing video like always.
It makes them imminently shareable too… with non-motorcyclists.
No joke! Even the product placement is just more useful information.
It’s the opposite of those things that pop up in my feed, with some broad being all “so I’ve been getting a lot of questions about my face routine…” (NO, BONCH. NOBODY WANTS TO KNOW WHAT MAKEUP SHOTGUN YOU USE).
When I watch F9, and I bet a lot of you are the same, I literally am like “damn these are shot well, I wonder what they use.”
Yeah, This man is abit of a motorcycle vod genius while also being pretty wicked on most things with two wheels.
I TOTALLY agree with you.
completely agree.......much better than gimmicky yammie boob
"Of course it's bull shit
But bullshit is a useful fertilizer "
This line tho 🤣🤣🤣
But it's not. Bull shit is not a good fertilizer, cow shit is. That's why something that isn't good, "bullshit"
@@dheeraj_nadimpalli It’s spam. The same account is spamming all the other comments with the same thing. You see it all over TH-cam in the last several weeks. I never click the links but I’ll probably accidentally do it some time in the future. Someone is probably paying botnet operators to increase views of certain videos and this is one of their tricks. No idea how they keep TH-cam from filtering them. Normally, any post I make with a URL normally gets ghosts right away: I can see it but others can’t unless the channel operator digs it out of their spam comment list and marks it “not spam.”
I assume he has writers? If not then he puts all presenters on tele to shame(either way it’s one of the best programmes going) thanks to everyone who created this 👍
Sad but true. Useful for the seller but just lube for your butt.
@@penguinproductions7014 Good question. He does have a bachlors degree in "Physics" so, I wouldn't be surprised if he writes all his own material.
That face-to-face ending is so good not just from a review perspective but narratively-speaking. Even Fortnine’s short reviews are so expertly written and Ryan executes exceptionally as always.
Kinda makes you wanna buy one and leave a review saying "the manufacturer lied to me but Ryan didn't."
and extra cool as it took place in front of the "center for dialogue"
@@arnehurnik😂😂😂😂
I just want to say, I have never owned a motorcycle; your vids are so well produced and thought out that I am subscribed with the bell rang. Great vids...I will get a bike one day!
This is how it starts.
Be sure to get a license first though :)
Don't worry Ryan is not a real biker either
It is true. Same reason I watch them.
For those of us who can’t fly, riding motorcycles (outside of the Suboxone saturated public) is the next best thing. 👍🏼
A fortnine notification on a Sunday morning, chefs kiss.
I love how honest, yet poetic review was. It's like, they were going into this knowing that Sondors PR people were going to be upset by seeing a negative review, but they executed so well on the video, that the PR people will still have to acknowledge that it's just totally honest and well done.
"...delivery Q5 of 2023" Ryan's jokes are supreme.
that line goes hard
Q5 is actually a special term made for last day before the financial year end rush of march starts, I.e., feb 30th
@@SivaKanthSharma This comment goes hard.
@@SivaKanthSharma quarter 5? Doesn’t make much sense to me.
@@SivaKanthSharma quarter 5? Doesn’t make much sense to me.
This watches like a story. The introduction of a character, drama regarding their origin, conflict of interest between riders, a slightly melancholic but satisfying ending. High quality
aaaaaand they're gone. they've stopped paying the chinese factory who built the bikes and in turn they stopped delivering Sondors.
That camera catch in a turn was awesome. Great vid as always. Doesn't seem like a great deal, but still a neat bike
Agreed. I had to replay it, very clever.
I'd love to know how many takes it required. But a great trick regardless. 🙂
So many comments think this is the clip that I've been looking for and at last it is here. Who the Hell clicks those links?
@@aaronleverton4221 they get everyone once...
It's a bot driving views to a random video.
@@aaronleverton4221 A better question is, why hasn't TH-cam done something about it? This one seems pretty easy to thwart, as far as these things go, and it's not like there's a shortage of examples.
I love the money counter during the sponsor bit :)
I thought i was the only one that noticed based on lack of comments. Freaking hysterical!
Nice video as usual. The price increase to about 7k at the time of this video from 5k when it was first announced changes the equation though. At the original offering, it was closer to scooters. Now when compared to 400-500cc motorcycles, it is a harder to justify easily given the company's short history and lower versatility (rather low top speed for much time on US motorways)
I know this is 9 months old but I’m starting to research electric motorcycles as gas will eventually be banned in California. I can’t believe they’ve dared to wander into SV650 territory with this pricing
@@inthenickoftime__ Agree with part of your comment. Gas is not going to be banned for a long time in CA. Even in 12 years (2035), it will be new gas car sales that will stop. Used cars, slightly used cars imported from other states (loophole), and motorcycles will not be touched for 15-20. The tech and prices will be much better by then and you probably won't want a gas powered vehicle (based on performance, nostalgia maybe).
@@james45478 I hope you’re right. There’s a lot that will have to change about infrastructure for electric cars and bikes to be viable for everyone. I considered buying an electric car until I realized I have no convenient way to charge it: my apartment complex was built in the 60’s, and while I do have access to regular 120v, level 1 charging is essentially useless, and the owner has no interest in adding any sort of charging capability. I’m sure I’ll have a house by the time it’s a problem, but that won’t be the case for lots of people. Sitting around for an hour in a parking lot waiting for my car to charge is simply not something I’m willing to do when I can fill a gas tank in 3 minutes.
@@inthenickoftime__ Yes there is a lot that has to be built and it will not make sense for everyone (particularly those that live in rural areas). However used, cars from NV, or new plug in hybrids (that people only sometimes plug in) will be available when that happens a dozen years from now.
7000 removes this off the table immediately. They got greedy.
Yet again, we're blown away by production value. Even if I didn't care about motorcycles (which I most certainly do!), your videos are a joy to watch.
I like the concept of a minimalist e-motorcycle which has the spirit of a e-bicycle. A real errand runner which is not barred from taking a short jaunt on the highway. If the thing is reliable and doesn't leave you stranded with burnt-out MOSFETs I can see this bike making a lot of people very, very happy. What I'd like to see is some standardization in the lithium battery pack field. If the 50AH, 72V battery here (my rough guess) is costing you half the value of the bike, that's a significant investment. I'd like the battery to be able to be pulled easily, for urban dwellers who lack an outdoor charge outlet, and the compartment key-locked for battery theft prevention when briefly parked unattended. For homeowners, I'd like that battery pack to also work with a pure sine wave inverter as a handy AC power source during outages, and also be able to put it in a riding mower, powered watercraft (outboard or jet-ski), etc. Why buy multiple batteries for these things when you will be using only one of them at a time, or only sporadically?
batts start loosing charge over draining and refilling. using on batt for many appliances shortens it's lifespan significantly
@@_implying This is true, one may cycle a lithium battery only so many times, and overcharging or repeatedly charging right up to 100% capacity further diminishes its longevity. But they have a shelf life too, and there is a profound environmental cost to manufacturing them, and an obvious monetary cost to buying the bigger ones. Time is not your friend regarding your battery investment, may as well use that battery; they are not an ornament to place on a shelf. Sure, power your phones, portable devices with proprietary-use lithium batteries but for bigger (18, 36, 48, 72, 102 volt) batteries there should be set, interchangeable batteries in group sizes. Within that group a maker could have caddies for two such batteries within that group should the current capacity for power and range demands require it.
This would require publicly traded for profit companies to coordinate efforts for consumer and environmental benefit. This won't happen because that doesn't maximize profits. Integrated, proprietary batteries maximize profits
Sound perfect if all I want to do is jaunt to my neighborhood grocery to pick up a few things, and stop by a local lunch place/pub on the way back. And for $5K. Plus I'm sure it prolly won't spike my electrical bill with the recharges. Might just look into it. Just wish the battey would come out like an ebikes.
@@_implyingeven letting a Battery sit on its own it’s degradation is still ongoing. Especially when on low charge or even high charge.
I just love how you couldn't resist having Road 5's on it as well. A man of taste. Also, the meta conversation on whether we should take corporate words at face value and never forgive that kind of behavior, or just simply accept and judge the product for ourselves, was definitely one worth having.
my god ! i can't even begin to express how blown away i am by your cinematography
whoever is in your team of video creator's/editor's, need to be praised endlessly for this level of production
*creators/editors
No apostrophe necessary.
@@vincedibona4687 mate. If you think i care enough to do grammar correction on the internet, you would be wrong.
I'm sure the apostrophe is an autocorrect which i didn't bother with just like every other apostrophe in this comment
fortnine videos are really on another levels! congrats great video
the sarcasm of the counting machine was priceless
This is the most professionally written and filmed review about a consumer product that I have ever viewed. Talk about honesty and being a well informed reviewer! The cinematography was excellent. Thanks for the review.
The amazing thing is *all* the videos are of this quality. Each unique, not really formulaic or anything but all well written, entertaining and informative. This is honestly the best produced channel on TH-cam. Everyone else making videos for TH-cam should be learning from it :)
I was literally wondering about the walk around shot. Brilliant integration of advertising.
Honestly, still more than enough to punch through town. I do hope more electric commuters pick up more speed and range over the years
Definitely! I found myself wanting more range frequently, but rarely needed more speed. ~RF9
You'll be eating the bugs and living in your pod before that happens i'm afraid .
@@joecamel6835 LOL if that isn’t the truth. Electric motorcycle is like building an inferior motorcycle that costs significantly more, weighs more, has limited range and questionable long-term battery life.
The proponents of this nonsense need plenty more soy milk to wash down those bugs
@@joecamel6835 nah new battery tech being built in australia atm improving tesla range upto 70%
Like all electric bikes it’s an underwhelming pile of crap
That's some creative filmmaking and an engaging review. Kudos! Now, explain that first shot, I'm assuming a pull-through of the 360 camera from a parallel bike. Smoooooth!
I had the choice about a year ago - $5k (plus delivery fee of about $1k btw) for this or $4k total for a 2019 Ninja 400. I went with the Ninja and very glad I did, the performance on it just blows this thing out of the water.
Plus I would have been pissed to learn about the effectively non-removable battery, that was a huge selling point to charge it under my desk at the office but not with that more complicated system. Glad I made the right decision!
From what I understand this is the first version and unlike the Ninja, it's going to have a lot less maintenance to deal with as well as being something that you can charge at home.
Don't get me wrong, the Ninja will do a ton of stuff that this won't, so you'd probably have been unhappy with this one. But as a cheap commuter motorcycle, it's probably a better choice.
@@SmallSpoonBrigade Maybe it is the first generation, but I would rather not be the one to beta test it on my dime. Maintenance is pretty easy and well understood on the Ninja, I did all the 7,500 mile stuff in the manual myself, and I think more mechanics would understand it over the metacycle right now.
The other thing, the metacycle only started shipping recently. That means for $2k less I got about 6,500 miles in the saddle, and I calculated I saved an additional $1,750 in gas savings and parking fees this last year alone. I just don't feel there is anything the Metacycle can do right now aside from being electric that I am really missing.
But hey, glad people are enjoying it for what it is, that's good. Maybe I'll get the Gen 3 down the road!
You saved 2K and have a real motorcycle with an actual, useable range. Smart move.
Based ICE enjoyer
Yep while I'd want an electric motorcycle, it's not going to be this one. I'll stick with my CB500F for now.
FortNine's production value is consistently way above what you'd expect from 99% of other youtubers. absolutely amazing as always. Id listen to you explain how grass grows!
Extraordinary filming, editing, script, audio, and overall production value make this , out of hundreds of thousands of channels on youtube, my absolute favorite... Keep up the great work!
I love how Ryan pulled out the advance math to prove Sondors lied about their 0-60.
Maybe 0-60 kph in 6 seconds, lol.
@@beepbop6697 actually, you are right... 6.56 seconds
@@rick-7197 Which is still a bit scam-ish because over here in the km/h-world we rate acceleration time for 0-100, which again is close to 0-60 mph (60 mph = 96 km/h).
Ryan is becoming the "Sheldon Cooper" of the motorcycling world!!
They didn't account for Leprechaun Farts.
Been watching this channel for so many years now. Literally the only channel I wait for to release videos, and watch it within hours of release. Always brings a smile to my face with the amazing direction, quirky punchlines and objective reviews.
Keep it up F9.
Always the best!
More than 50 years riding and more than 40 in computers and it's heartening to see such competence in young generations. Rarely disagree with you and when I do it's for the age thingy.
At my age, I will probably never buy an electric bike, but I already have an electric trottinette that makes me feel like a kid again, so your take on the matter would be interesting. 🙂
I am whelmed.
That 360 editing is just out of this world. Unbelievably inventive. Host's charisma is matched by team's production flawlessly.
I think the production level is awesome! But just FYI the 360 edit is pretty old and quite commonly used, so I wouldn't say inventive (:
@@marcusaurelius841 I haven't seen a lot of videos utilizing 360 videos at all, so i might be just impressed by the novelty. Still, the way it's implemented within the narrative of the video makes it very cool.
@@GRZNGT like @marcus aurelius I've seen plenty of 360 shots (they have been normal in surfing, SUP and cycling videos for a few years) and I'm no fan. The rounded effect is interesting at first but I've some to the point that they irritate me. I watch TV / TH-cam on a rectangular screen so having the '360' look has lost its novelty and just feels distorted.
That said, Ryan held off overdoing the spinning effect so the camera was more used as a tool than being the event so this is a good example of how it can be used.
It's really something! I wish there was some sort of camera product that would help me get 360 shots, but I haven't heard of any.
@@tdj5245 Maybe the 360 is the answer then ??
I am a biker and I watch FortNine. If i were not a biker i'd still watch FortNine. Written and performed well enough to be entertaining just on it's own merits. Well done. Great content.
The fuel gauge visual under the ad break, to let us know how long till we get back to the video? Revolutionary. Not joking. HOW WAS A MOTORCYCLE REVIEW CHANNEL THE FIRST PLACE I ENCOUNTERED EDIT-CANDY SO USEFULLY VIEWER-FRIENDLY? Y'all are social media gods.
your editing is as always, impecable. such a fun watch
Not only do you make me love motorcycles even more, you make me want to be a filmmaker.
I would love to see you do a electric showdown of Sondors, Zero FX, Kollter/Tinbot etc of entry level bikes.
Beautiful film work on this one. The amount of time and effort put into this for such a short video is exceptional. Deserves a damn award for Videography
Beautifully done, FortNine. I always look forward to your videos, and you all deserve more subscribers.
Just found your channel, and this production quality, writing, and "acting" is phenomenal and seems extremely rare on youtube now. And even your actual review of the bike wasn't completely one sided. Great video.
I especially like how you snuck in the advertising before I even had a chance to fast forward. Nice work Ryan
How useful is the "void" for storage. The oem thing probably doesn't hold a lot, but I can also see someone like Ryan just stuffing a backpack in the hole. And using tie downs around that thick bar. Being able to see that your bag is still there would be reassuring.
I've always loved the cinematography on these videos! Plus the writing! It's all conscious and deliberate. Love it
Very balanced review. Thank you, and hopefully, Sondors becomes the type of manufacturer that we're all hoping for them to become soon.
My concern is while at pricepoint, it makes sense for the shprt comings as any other of same price check. But some others of same price point are fixable of most short comings in comparison. I love that you do accurate reviews on these!
EVs and their batteries are not cheap. You take significant cost out by downsizing the battery. Downsize the battery and the useful life and range go down exponentially. A major cost element in the battery is BMS which is has an initial high fixed cost independent of battery size. This fixed cost of BMS does nothing to enhance the useable range.
There is no free lunch. Pay more initially or pay substantially more in the long-run. If you think you can buy cheap EV motorcycle without major pitfalls then you really can't afford one unless you need a 20 mile or less commuter that is single passenger only with limited overall utility. Then on resale there are not many buyers who want the same or there are but likely at 1/3 or less than the price of new.
@@kannermw It is worth considering that EVs and ICEs cannot be easily compared price point to price point. Selecting a 5,000 dollar EV and a 5,000 dollar ICE are not equal. The ICE costs much more as it will greatly surpass the EV in long term ownership costs.
You are absolutely right though there isn't a 'free lunch' you pay more for more or you pay less for less. There isn't going to be a magic bullet that suddenly fixes the range besides fundamentally changing the shape of a motorcycle to be more aerodynamic. Just like you can't buy a 3,000 dollar 50cc scooter and expect it to munch highways, it just can't. You gotta temper your expectations.
@@SirNarax Telling me to temper my expectations to accept a crappy more expensive EV technology is like suggesting I should pay more for a lessor product I don't want or like. EV motorcycle is a completely stupid idea for anything other than daily commuter. Majority of people in U.S. ride a motorcycle mostly for recreation not basic transportation to save money. When I ride a motorcycle it is typically on weekends and about 180 miles to 220 miles per day. I am not interested in sitting around for 6 or more hours waiting for a battery to charge in the middle of a trip to save at most $15-$20 for a day of riding which is peanuts. Maybe I leave knowing bad weather is coming or the weather starts to change and I want to get back before that happens. Time is way more valuable to me than money. I have purchased three new motorcycles since 2013 and never kept one more than 4.5 years. All mileage under 25K. In my personal use case and I imagine many others an EV motorcycle is a impractical money pit for morons.
@@kannermw That comment was for people capable of critical thought, with an open mind and weighing the pros and cons of a vehicle without getting emotional or irrational which you seem to be entirely incapable of. You don't even entirely know what you are talking about.
You don't need to like something to view it fairly and with an open mind. This is just stupidity and not worth any more of my time.
Reviews like no other.
I will never cease to he impressed by your creativity and eloquence.
After a year and a half I got back on a bike and watching your channel, you still got it. Great video and entertaining with real words that are not watered down. Love your content.
Ryan teaching us both about the motorcycle and the ways to use a insta360 all in one. Nice!
4:43 I'm not surprised if that's insta360 counting money in the background.
Good video and love the shoot in Vancouver, Miss you so much
A cinematic masterpiece as always thank you for quality content and entertainment!
I discovered your channel recently and I cannot state how much I enjoy your tone and production. Second to none. So thanks, and keep it going.
I am waiting for mine since 2021! I guess it will be delivered far beyond my lifespan.
Your channel came before than my first bike. I was 100% sure it was going to be an electric, a city commuter. Sondors was one of the options, but I end up getting a Efun Pusa (Vespa replica) 80km real range, 85km top speed, 0-50/km/h in 3.7s and a trully removable batery with 8y warranty (on a 60%capacity) for 3680€. It might not look as cool as the Sondors, but looks aren't all, side by side on specs makes Sondors blush. Anyway, good review, good video, love your channel!
@Stem Artin didn't know them, they seem pretty cool, although 1k+ more expensive than mine and less practical
@Stem Artin ofc practicality is a personal thing, i wanted to store 2 helmets in the bike (so i needed a suitcase and a confy passenger sear, so enduro was not a real option, although it looks way cooler 😁😇
I had one of the first deposits, and then fully purchase, on the Metacycle. I cancelled mine due to timeline slipping. My circumstances required me to have transpiration soon rather than maybe later. The spec slipping was not a deal breaker for me. But the schedule slip was. The lack of communication between the customer and the producer was lacking and left many doubts. I want an affordable electric motorcycle, but I think that the market is still only for the upper crust that has disposable income, and, possibly more importantly, disposable time to wait.
Im more impressed by the the level of quality from this yt video.
I dont even own a motorcycle, never had one and always wanted a car, we could say I am a "car guy". But no car Channel has the same level of knowledge, amazing ideas and great shots(and editing) in their video. On top of that you are So consistent, that it is unreal. Amazing
Only one to even come close is savagegeese.
Each and every video from you makes me feel like a child on Christmas day again! You guys are awesome and deserve a lot of cookies (yes, I suspect someone is holding the camera too, although that grabbing-the-camera-mid-corner scene made me wonder). Would you ever come to Sweden, I would personally greet you at the airport with the biggest box of cookies you've ever seen. Hey, I could almost even consider letting you ride my bike.
I’ve never seen one your videos before so I don’t know if this is your standard quality, but this was so well-written that I didn’t even need it to be as well-produced as it is, but what a cherry on top! Great work!
$6,500 US.... or roughly $9,000 Canadian. Not counting whatever import duty they charge at the border......but likely pushing this bike to over $10,000....for a hub-motor electric motorcycle. For that price, I want and expect a frame-mounted motor.
As always, you guys make amazing videos that let consumers decide for themselves. But until Sondors can provide Canadians with proper pricing, without worrying about DIY pricing, they aren't ready for prime-time.
Thank you for making this awesome video presenting one of the most interesting machines on the market.
Yeah, shame they couldn't stick with that preorder price for retail.
@@Joric78 Even then it would be close to $7000 Canadian with me doing all the importing myself and that's before any import duty. Also this means Buying a motorcycle from a company with no parts support which means within 2 years of the rear suspension having to deal with that giant heavy hub motor me watching to upgrade the suspension will be a challenge, as will a hub motor rebuild. If they had delivered a motorcycle with a frame mounted motor I think it would have been a legitimate competitor to motorcycles like the Honda CB300R but as this sits it's just not as good
Man I love your videos, they are a treat every single time!
So glad y’all have sponsors from camera companies and the like, let’s you be honest about bikes and gear
I feel like I need a cinema in my house just to watch Fortnine videos
Hands down, best motorcycle channel on TH-cam.
I normally agree, but am a bit disappointed by the misinformation in the title and video. They're $6,500 but they put $5,000 in the title....and this isn't a very recent price hike, it's been like that for months and months before this video was posted.
Now this is a presentation style that I’ve not seen before. Definite props for originality, and all the best going forward.
Great video as always but I think it would be worth mentioning that 5k was only the pre-order price, it is $6500 now.
I've been eyeing one of these for a while now- I don't believe they are $5000 anymore, more like $7000. The range and speed profile fit my daily commute perfectly with some to spare. I have the room to store it in the winter. Things I would change: Yes the extra taillight and plate thingy would be removed immediately and replaced with something more appealing. First things first- I would replace the handlebars with a pair of clip-on's, but that's just for me and my riding style.
It's 7k he was wrong on the 5k
ah yes, lied to yet again 😂
@@louiec.9782 Those getting Metacycles now paid $5k + $700 delivery fee. If you order now, it is $6k plus the delivery fee.
@@louiec.9782 5k was the original price, then sondors cancelled a bunch of the preorders and forced them to pay the updated price, sondors is so shady
@@v000000000000v no one is forced to do anything
Excellent production, almost like the OG Top Gear back and forth with call and response; you earned a sub!
Amazing vid. As ever the problems remains that $5k gas bikes have gotten so good. You just get so much more performance and build quality for your money.
Yeah, I was all about this bike initially but I just don’t trust Sondors. I’m in the market for a cheap commuter and I’d take a Himalayan at this price point.
You can buy two second hand KLRs with $5k... 😅
True. But running cost on this is very small compared to a gas bike.
@@berkovichify until it needs literally any maintenance
@@spacecruisers I have a Himalayan, great on gas and super easy to work on, but struggles to stay at 75mph.
Yeah, just like almost every other comment I'm very satisfied with your content and high professional level of content creation! I've been a motorcycle rider since seven years old, I still ride and all your different videos makes me even more interested. Great videos guys! I just wished you had a shop for international buyers. Greets from Sweden FTW🤘
Found this video when researching e-bikes. I immediately subbed based off quality alone
This cheap electric motorcycle review video has no business being this top notch of production quality 🤣
Overly well done good sir!
I would have to agree! 😁
I was looking for a comment like this. I'm 4 minutes in and am smiling as to how good the production is.
It's the beginning of a excellent idea..must get the recharge time down or sell the 2and battery at a good rate..and then just work on confort and hauling issues..
*I LIKE THE WAY YOU PORTRAY AND PRODUCE YOUR REVIEWS.*
Insightful and entertaining, as always. As an old geezer who rode for 20 years, took a 15 year break, and has now got back into biking, is there any chance that there could be a video for not-so newbies? Something helpful about how things have changed in the last few years and what to look out for in terms of clothing, bikes, general tips? For instance, armour or abs, etc. We never had that in our day, where armour was the accumulated padding from last week’s lunches and ABS was a measure of how good your brake control was.
Love your shows - excellent, balanced review as always.
Your presentation style, editing and production remind me of the good old days of Top Gear (UK) and im here for it
For anyone wondering
Top speed - 82 mph
Cruising speed - 69 mph
Mixed riding range - 49 mi
Weight - 332 lbs
Range is beyond bad.
Thank you. When I was a kid, the big push was that we were going metric. I wasn’t interested, didn’t want it, and it never happened.
Now I wish it had.
Freedom units
Nice.
@@davidbarton1238 Be the change you want to see. Start using metric!
Bloody Brilliant - as usual. This was so good I watched it twice ! Informative / creative / well shot and funny as hell. Well done ! Still laughing about the removable battery comments!
When it comes to video production and the quality of content, you are by far the best motorcycle channel in the world
At $5,000 it is in the realm of being a useful, affordable second commuter bike. But going on their site now, it's $6,500, which starts getting harder to justify, given it's range limitations and charging time - it is only ever going to be useful as a commuter.
Unfortunately the part that killed the Metacycle was the loss of the removable battery. Paper math said that it'd just barely get me to work every day. Figured I could pop out the battery and charge it at the office, and head home with a full charge each day. Add in the auxiliary battery and range anxiety is gone. Killing that feature killed interest for me...
Hello, Ryvid Anthem
I really enjoyed this self debate style video. Really nice listing pros and cons.
This is exactly the type of electric motorbike I've been arguing for all along: affordable, adequate power, usable range, exchangeable battery.. it overcomes the obsession of electric vehicles having blistering performance just because they can.
And yet I'm left wanting more - more range, especially. This will be a great stepping stone to a range of bikes that are genuinely usable and meet the needs of a variety of riders.
As it stands, this bike would be fine for my commute to work - but it doesn't have enough range to get to the other side of town and back. That's a pretty big limitation for most of us.
I have an idea: where you have the option to have a storage compartment in that hole in the frame, make the option for a second battery for those that want extended range
I feel similarly! We even made a video on why these cheap, minimal e-motorcycles are the solution to our slow adoption of e-motorcycles: th-cam.com/video/O2zlYpy6QCM/w-d-xo.html . I credit Sondors with filling the gap, and if they improve on the Metacycle in Gen 2 and 3 it has the potential to be a serious disruptor. ~RF9
And it doesn't really have an exchangeable battery.
Not in any practically meaningful way
okay this is interesting, I live in the Netherlands, and we have a total different view of distance to be travelled. With this motorcycle I could drive through 3 medium sized cities (enschede-hengelo-almelo) AND back without charging once. How big are your towns that you can only travel one way in a town?? Is it very rural or something?
@@MarkovChains223 why so? Because there's no standardisation and widespread adoption? I wonder if that will ever come.
I was waiting for that subjective conclusion that never came. Great content! IMO, it’s a mobility scooter that can *actually* hit 60 and look great doing it.
Love the way you run an ad... You seem to be the only one that can do it without being annoying, 🙂
Great review, thanks
Had one pre ordered right when announced, kept through all the delays then went to see it at the LA expo and canceled right after. Too small and was rough around the edges. Was looking like it would never meet its specs and it seems that turned out true
Its chinese, did you really expect something different? They are incapable of making a quality product of their own design. Their first thought is to make it as cheap as possible, knowing that enough suckers will buy it. Proof? Anything on Amazon that is from a chinese supplier that is a knockoff of another product.
It's 100% Chinese made and marketed the way Chinese always do (lie), expect this and you will not be surprised in the future. People from western countries need to stop buying the absolutely cheapest components and start buying quality component they can afford from manufactures who don't have hundreds of slave labor camps making the parts or rapaciously mining, and dumping all the toxins into the ground, water and air. Zero manufactures excellent Electric machines.
I've already studied this bike.After watching your video I decided why not.This would be perfect for commuting to work(18 miles round trip) and for local errands.I have 2 "traditional" motorcycles so this would be a good alternative.I went to the website which bragged about a $5k price.I hit the buy link and all of a sudden it's $6500,WTF.Needless to say they just lost a sale.
Yes 5000 was entry price. The low cost has been made up for by shifty company practices.
Oh, man. I guess they really are rotten to the core.
I own a Meyacycle (my first and only motorcycle (for now)) and I love it., Totally sad whats happening at Sondors and how many people don't have their bikes yet., I truly hope they can survive the Storm (see what I did there?), come out the other side intact and deliver on their orders.
Love all this content, especially the look into electric 2 wheel alternatives. Hoping we'll get a look/comparison of the Sur Ron/Segway/Talaria at some point 🤞!
Super soco. Much better price.
@@MAL-Collector I don't see any off-road centered offerings on their site, do they have anything comparable to the Sur Ron Light Bee or Talaria Sting?
I drove the 50cc equivalent super soco and it's not good enough to keep up with city Traffic.
@@NSR747 what are you talking about ist plenty for trafic. It's not a racetrak. But I would never buy a electric motorcycle anyways...
@@MAL-Collector it could barely reach 55kmh, cars started to pass me in the city. Normal flow of Traffic tends to be around 60kmh in the city on the longer straights.
I almost ordered one of these then decided against it because of the range issue. I'm 2 hours away from any mountains so I went with a KTM 390 Adventure instead.
Camera work on this review is amazing.
Honestly, if this is where we're at right now at this price point, kinda hype for the near future.
I haven't had a motorcycle since I rehomed mine due to some engine issues like 5 years ago, but I'm excited for what I can get in the future! :D
These are Chinese batteries from a Chinese manufacturer, expect them to fail in a year or two and then the entire machine will be worthless. Or you could just buy a real motorcycle from Zero motorcycle company.
Yes, that makes sense except I have no money so I'll just buy nothing lmao
I’d love to see a review of the new line of Damon motorcycles. All electric. 200+ hp. 200+ mph. 200 miles per charge.
I've heard they're also the worlds first completely invisible electric motorcycles as well!
I love electric motorcycles, but I would not hold your breath for the Damon. Say what you will about Sondors at least their product exists in the real world.
Best motorcycling channel, hands down. I'm so glad I found you. Greetings from Spain.
This video highlights some of the shortcomings of electric motorcycles. They always seem... unfinished in some way. But the potential is there and I'm ready for electric motorcycles to become the norm. No more oil and filter changes, no valve adjustments, no noise, no emissions regulations, and no shifting. Sounds like a win to me! I'm hungry for a street legal dual sport that rides like an electric dirt bike, and it's only a matter of time.
You and me both. I can't find anything that can replace my xr650r without some kinda compromise, but electric convenience would be great
its nice that electric bikes are progressively working out the kinks. give it some more time and i think they'll be quite desirable/affordable.
Or you could just get a regular motorcycle now. For less money.
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@@SirNaraxev is just not cool for bikes, itll never catch on, no freedom with electrical motorcycles
@@Felix-tp8ch o k a y? Who cares what you find 'not cool'. We will have to make that switch eventually like it or not. Oil is a very limited supply and burning it takes away the opportunity to ride for our children. EV is a normal motorcycle.
@@waxdood With current usage we are expected to run out of fuel within the next 50 years or less. It will be more than that because as oil becomes harder and harder to find it becomes more and more expensive. Lithium from mines will last somewhere in the next 100 years.
Both of these things can be artificially manufactured. Oil and it's oil based products such as plastic can be made out of things like Sugar Cane. Lithium can be harvested from Brine, natural or artificial.
But it doesn't make sense to artificially create oil as a fuel source. Unless 100% of the grid is renewable and there is a massive excess in electricity, using power to create power to be burned isn't clever. Not that we have a choice as we are running out of all fossil fuels not just oil. Even if you did want to mass produce artificial oil hydrogen makes more sense. Then on top of that if 100% of the power grid was renewable battery powered vehicles make more sense not less.
Lithium can not only be artificially produced but also recycled. It isn't which sucks but all this combined makes the argument that "we are going to run out of lithium" as an argument for the continued use of fossil fuels is an inaccurate one and couldn't be further from the truth. The only fossil fuel that will last anywhere near as long as the Lithium supply is coal, which sucks.
5:55 THAT WAS SO OUT OF POCKET, I never know what this man will say next and I love this channel for that exact reason
Cool bike, I wish they came with 2 batteries that could be put in either series or parallel configuration allowing choice between extra range or power.
alas, while that works for AA/AAA batteries and simple lights, it gets more complicated when you're talking MOSFETS and switching-mode power supplies. The controller is built for a particular voltage range, top-to-bottom. putting two packs in series doubles the voltage, but keeps the max current the same. Putting them in parallel keeps the voltage the same, but doubles max current. It effectively comes out in the wash, with parallel being easier to accommodate electronically.
Wow that's a really interesting and viable motorcycle, I am so excited to see a delivery to my house for my brand new KTM 1290R!
My thoughts too.😁
What a great review. Most reviewers seem to be biased toward a negative or a positive review, but you manage to get both points of view in the same video and do it in a very intelligent, entertaining, and thoughtful manner. You are worth more than they are paying you.
Just imagine how nice it'll be in a few years. It's pretty damn nice right now.
Honestly its the range that i cant get over.
I could never do trips of 49 miles lol
In couple years they still provably trying to fill the 1st year preorders 😂 people been waiting over a year. Change in production just going to piss off current orders.
@Begodecrashtestdummy î guess.
But i'd still think there arent a lot of people ready to pay for a bike, whose only use it is to commute with.
If it had a "normal" range, id be quite interested.
@@1414Kai The woes of living in a car dependent world on a vehicle with poor aerodynamics. Only way to fix it is stuffing more batteries which drives up the cost or fundamentally redesign the shape of a motorcycle. I would also be curious though what you define as a "normal" range as many people do not have trips that need to cover more than 50 miles. That seems like a particularly long distance to travel.
@@SirNarax Most of my normal weekend trips revolve around the 300km mark. Given that I'd have to wait every 100 ish km for the bike to recharge fully, I'd probably not be riding at all anymore. But you do you, Iam not doing short distance trips on my bike, but iam mostly riding for fun. It would surely cover my commute to work, which I use my car for.
You guys are damn creative! Love it!
One of the best videos on anything I’ve ever seen, in every way. Really good.
When something has the word meta in it it's gotta be electric