Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance TRULY is Definitive! - REVIEW
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- Is Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance a worthy re-release? Find out in our in-depth review that covers updated visuals, new additions, and more!
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Great to hear they changed the level scaling, that was one of the major issues with the og game, even had to switch the difficulty to easy because I couldnt be bothered to grind for multiple hours
I thought it was just me who sucked. I gave up on it . The grinding was just so wack I don't have much time to play since I keep busy. So I never went back too it.
I absolutely hated the punishment for being underleveled in SMTV. especially with how much exp is required to level up as well as SMT's reputation for requiring strategy over brute force made me annoyed.
@@BoostedMonkey05 the stragedy part is understandable. That's pretty much how intense the games have always been. Being underleveled is as well standable. Maybe when I was younger I had time for that. Now I don't want to invest mindless hours of receiving low xp for that. Persona does it better and gives easily ways to earn more xp. Smt doesn't which I understand is part of it, but not anymore for me personally.
Yeah I remember I ran around grinding for one major boss and dropped it after
Yeah.
Normally in every Megaten game up to vanilla V, you can be a fee, hell, even 20 levels or so below a boss and still be able to fight them as long as you keep using Buffs and Debuffs, and some luck, but V made it nearly impossible to do a low level run.
"The game is much fairer now."
Every SMT fan within a 10 mile radius: RRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEE!
FAIR??? FAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIR!?!?
For me the biggest weakness of SMTV was that it felt like there weren‘t that many choices and the law vs. chaos choices didn‘t really feel like they had much of an impact compared to, say, Strange Journey or Devil Survivor. Is that somewhat better in the vengeance route?
I hope they improved on this, it was a major disappointment for long-term SMT fans, I mean the route literally just changed which bosses you face in the last hallway of the game.
Vengeance apparently brings with it 3 new endings, but that's all I know.
seems to be like SMT IV where every descision leads towards your ending instead of one major choice at the end
Choice definitely matter this time around. They’re more of them as well.
I'm beginning to learn not to buy Atlus games until they make their definitive edition years later
Me when I spent summers looking around at stores for Persona 4 or Kingdom Hearts 2, and then they announce all these remasters
Lmao😂😂😂 right! Like buying a ys game.
100%. It's even worse now that they can't seem to properly finish up the big projects, released a half-baked product and then actually come around to finish the rest years later.
Tbf almost every developer does it, especially among Japanese developers…
Don’t believe me look at capcom , Square Enix, or BandaiNamco…
i loved smt5 on switch so i'm hyped for this rerelease.
I still think smt4 on 3ds is my favourite but it is close, hopefully this rerelease pushes smt5 to the number 1 spot for me.
I'm replaying SMT IV right now and yea.. that game is a f*cking masterpiece.
Quick question did they improve the pacing of Dazai's character arc? I found the boy to be an interesting Law representative with him instead of being the typical order above all archetype, but rather a sacred kid that saw the light when he was under the angel's and protection and grew into someone who believes upholding Yahweh's order will be best for humanity and benign demons(such as the fey) since at least angels and fairies aren't going to mug or devour you but want peace and order under the watchful eye of the next Nahobino.
in vengance? yeah, the new Path overall puts less view on the world alone and more on the Human companions together WITH the world.
Also overall everything gameplay wise is already 3 times better and most importantly...MORE DEMONS!
I plan to play both storylines, but if I haven’t played the original do you recommend starting with canon of creation or vengeance
I would like advice on this as well!!
Canon of creation first.
>No mention of persona
Kiss me
You look exactly like Hideo Kojima it's scary
Makes me wonder if that ign review will be just as bad again
@@7evanPersona without the Heart Royal
I only have to wait two more days but ARGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH the wait is killing me!!!!!!
so if I am a person who is playing this for the first time do you pick the og route or the vengeance route because none of the reviews ive seen are doing a good job telling me which i should pick first.
You can pick the one you want first, there are 2 differents original storys, so you cant go wrong.
Whatever you think. If you want to play the og first so you can see the improvements, do it, if not play what everyone else is
If you want the complete experience, play the original Canon of Creation route first before trying out the Vengeance route. If you value your time, I suggest you go with the Vengeance route because at the end of the day you still wont be able to experience the unbalanced level scaling we had in the original SMT V unless you own the copy of the game.
Just play the new one
Play the canon of creation first, you will definitely get more payoff this way.
It's basically the game they wanted to make at first, but this time mostly complete.
Great review it's nice to hear how close and different from the original game this version ends up being.
So I guess my question would be if the Canon of Vengeance diverts the same way?
Ie 4 endings each with the exclusive demons in their ends?
It doesn't sound like things change too much in that regard.
I heard there are only 2 endings in vengeance
Can’t believe the OG dropped in 2021
Time flies
Wait until it's 2046 and it'll have been a quarter century...that's how I feel like with the Game Boy Pokemon games.
Song is "Battle Da'at-Vengeance"
Might have to pick this one up. I was on the fence about getting the original version of it. With this upgrade - well that's convincing enough for me to get it this time.
THE RETURN OF RIKKU! YES!
Hi friend
@@KatanaRikku Hoping all is well, fine sir
As a new SMT V player, should I first choose creation or can I go straight to vengeance?
Probably Vengeance.
Vengance straight up
Vengeance for sure.
It's a different canon, but there are things unexplained that still happen in both but happen off screen in one.
This version is WAY more accessible than the Switch version. I am about 5 hours in, and i can say i am having as much fun as the best parts of Persona 5 (the pacing on persona 5 was underwhelming)
Good to know thanks
I'm fairly new to the switch having only played the full xenoblade series, pokemon scarlet and matroid prime. This game looks sick, would you recommend this as a good entry point to the series?
YES
Absolutely, the game is great!! Just be prepared to grind🙂
I Bought the base game day one and played it for hundreds of hours. Vengeance with all its improvements and additions looks great, especially on PC or more powerful consoles than Switch. Personally I will wait for a sale but for everyone who hasn’t yet experienced SMT V it’s well worth the full $60.
Thanks for probably being the only review of Vengeance that recognizes the beauty of the visuals is primarily in the design and not in the FPS count.
is there cross save between switch and other platforms if you want to keep 3 demons from the og game?
nope only for switch
@@dragonsdogma2062 absolute bullshit
@@PenguinsAreColdish you expect Nintedo to work with other consoles ? XD
@@PenguinsAreColdishhow would you even expect that work?
@@papipepino. yes?
Buying this game again on the PS5!
I really wish there was at least a minor discount for those who purchased the original
welcome to atlus!
The level gating in the game is my only REAL gripe with the original SMTV, thank Atlus that’s gone 🙏🏻😭
I had to watch this review twice, first time I kept focusing on the music.
I have never played the original SMTV, would it be bad to play path of vengeance as a first playthrough?
You can choose any route as your first, their stories wont interconnect, so go with whatever floats your boat
It doesn't matter. Both has nothing to do with each other.
You can start with whichever you want. Both are different canons. Tho I would recommend playing Vengeance first since it’s more interesting, in my opinion.
For first time players. Is the original canon recommended then do veangeance on ng+? What am i missing if i just go straight for canon of vengeance? Also *spoiler* a certain charter is now recruitable. Can you carry this character in ng+ or no?
There’s a super boss you can only fight if you play creation campaign abd then vengeance
I think both routes kind of paint the whole picture. So I can see Vengeance being better for the characters while Creation teaches more about the world itself. Experiencing both in any order (you don't need every ending because there are multiple ones for each route) will give the full picture. Creation was the OG so I can see some elements in Vengeance working better with Creation knowledge in mind and I heard the Vengeance Superboss is only unlocked via beating the Creation Superboss in a prior NG. My plan will be going for the plat anyways so I will play through both routes multiple times.
Need....Magatsuhi.....
Loving the game so far, only problem with it is that I wish they had redone the pre-rendered cutscenes from the switch version. That resolution drop is really jarring.
Didn't play the original, which path should I start with, creation or vengence?
Creation
Vengeance, there isn't any reason to play through creation anymore as reviews have said that vengeance is a lot better
Vengence for sure.
I never had problem with the level scaling, only in the end where you have to fight a lv99 shiva only to fight lv90 satan
🤓 um ackshully he’s not saytan
The first major boss had you level grind for a good bit until you could survive its attacks. There's probably one or two more bosses like that i'm forgetting.
Yep, Shiva was the only challenge for me. After him beating Satan was so easy. Didn't like that moment. Hope they addessed this issue, cause i want to get SMT V for ps5. Very hyped for the game. Really liked it.
Thing is that there was always a "ladder" of bosses to fight in sequence, one after the other. Yes, it was kinda annoying to never stand a chance against any boss who was a few levels above you but that doesn't mean that the player was completely out of options. I played on hard and I had a guide of each boss at hand, so I always knew which boss to tackle next.
Thank you for the quick rundown.
Best reason to get this game is Godborne mode. This game was already amazing, but now the enemies in NG plus can be maxed level. I can run through the game with my perfect setup and not one shot everyone is peak.
any tips for a beginner bc i just bought just cause and i have no clue what going on
Don't give up on the game and fuse new demons. If you're stuck on a boss try to google their weakness.
@@LuizFelipe-lm4ih it’s a grinding game ?
@@mrwiggles5331 With Vengeance removing the original game's soft-level cap, you shouldn't need to grind if you're at least decently skilled and make a point of completing all the sidequests you can.
That said, the SMT series is notorious for being significantly more difficult than the average game. SMT V, while far from unreasonable, is going to be tough if you're not used to harsh turn-based combat.
My main advice to any newcomer to most SMT games (or Persona games for that matter) is to try and end most battles in a single turn without giving the enemy any chance to act.
The press-turn system (getting extra actions by hitting weaknesses or losing them if your moves miss or are blocked) can change the momentum of a fight very quickly. Letting the enemy team get a single turn can snowball into them taking huge chunks out of your team before you get another change to act, so don't give them that chance if at all possible.
As for boss battles, similar logic applies; try to end fights as quickly as the boss' health supply will allow, with stat buffs and debuffs being critical to surviving many of those battles.
Not anymore but originally It trully was@@mrwiggles5331
It's not really a grindfest, unless the difficulty is too high for you. There is also a "Safety" difficulty as a free DLC, depending on your platform.
Best advice: fuse, fuse, fuse. Fill that Compendium up as fast as you can.
You could try to "work your way up" a particular race of your choice, use it as your "main" army, and then go back to fill out the rest, from low to high.
Use Reverse Compendium Fusion a LOT. It takes most of the guesswork out of fusing.
For Elementals, DO NOT SUMMON THEM STRAIGHT FROM THE COMPENDIUM. It's MUCH cheaper to do a Reverse Compendium Fusion of the Elemental, then use that for the next Fusion (you'll see what I mean).
So glad it's finally off that switch now the game can really shine.
I honestly can’t wait man just 2 more days
GameXplain is lucky to have KatanaRikku
is it a good idea playing the original first if i never finished it? or should i go straight to vengeance? thx!
All the reviews I have seen said that you can go straight to vengeance with no issues
In fact, if you didn't buy the original, you can't anymore as that version has been delisted
KatanaRiku is back at it again. Happy for him.
Alright, you've convinced me to get this game, cheers!
I agree its actually huge they fixed level scaling in Vengeance, in the OG SMT V I was playing on Hard and got stuck on Shiva for 3 months and just about died irl when I found out I needed to beat the game a second time for the true Nuetral ending.
This should have been available as an expansion for those that dropped full price for the original release. Atlus is basically signaling me to buy this thing second hand for noe more than 20 bucks.
Can you switch between original and new soundtracks?
So far in my playthrough, no. If you play the canon of vengeance, it plays a mix of the new music and old. Haven’t played canon of creation but I’d assume it has mostly the old music
@@infernoquest441damn i like the old battle music better…..
I love this series, thanks for this great review!
Please god tell me the name of that battle theme track @5:30
Playing this on Yuzu or Ryujinx with mods looks pretty identical to the ps5 version too which I believe from reviews online claims 60fps at 1080p resolution. I achieve this on my gaming laptop no problem with some other tweaks to LOD and shadows to spruce things up from the original switch counterpart. It's awesome thought that non switch owners can play this game on other systems now, might pick it up on Steam when it goes on sale, hopefully there will be some other cool PC mods I'd bet on by that time.
Canon of Creation is required to fight the superboss in Vengeance FYI so I'm picking that first since I never finished SMT V anyways (also there are gameplay additions throughout Creation so that's a good thing)
2:55 A "mere" 20 levels above you? Are you ok, bro? I really hope you misspoke. How is this any different than any other RPG?
Large level gaps were a common thing in older SMT games, and you could (with the right team) best a foe much higher level than you, for example Matador in Nocturne is level 30, but you fight him when you're about level 15
I dont know why he said that either. Especially since if youre 5 levels below you will barely scratch enemies
I think it was Soul Hackers 2 where the level system drove me mad. 1-2 levels above me I’d be destroyed, below I’d destroy.
Felt very much like I just had to aim for a certain level then breeze through the game (which I did). Glad this is not the case with SMTV
I have a question for those who already pllayed the game. Is there any new endgame demon (level 80-90) aside the usual shiva, metatron, beelzebub, lucifer?
I bought the other once when it first came out. What are the differences with this one ?
Great review!!
this game is just like pokemon but with demons
Is having a guest in your party new? I swear I never had any guests in my party when I played through the Switch original.
Yes
@@billyboleson2830 Ah, thank you.
Im really interested in playing this, but i already have started playing person 3 reload. Are there material differences in the gameplay mechanics between these two games? Would it be more of the same vibe?
SMTV doesn't have any of the social links and calendar managing stuff, but the RPG and monster fusion elements are the same and arguably better. SMT series is also more plot heavy compared to persona's laid-back life sim vibes
5The Persona series is a spin-off of this series, more light-hearted with school social sim aspects involved. They both have completely different vibes. Some people prefer one over the other but Persona is probably more popular by far. Persona is typically more casual though, easier game mechanics and not quite as complex. Persona has more likable characters and far more charm.
@@pyrazdravise1846I would argue SMT has less plot and much more gameplay oriented compared to persona’s
Should i get this or baldurs gate 3?😢
Never buy an Atlus game in the first three years of release.
I started the base game version of I want to play the vengeance after beat the game I can with new game plus or I have to do a new save game?
I understand playing this on ps5 instead of switch, but how about testing it to let people know if the framerate in certain areas has improved
Will there be a safety difficulty?
It’s free
Looks like a good game but I get the feeling it wont beat SMT4 in terms of enjoyment
I dunno I can do without smirk lol
@@MILDMONSTER1234Still waiting on a remastered SMT4 with the updated smirk lol
Smt 5 is miles ahead of smt 4. The comparison isn't even fair.
Smt 5 is a better game in every way.
@@MILDMONSTER1234nah man they need to bring smirk back
@@im_justin_u9493 smirk is fine the problem with 4 is that everyone is a glass canon. It would fit a game like nocturne better
I will always prefer high FPS even in turn based games the game and animations just look better and the game is alot more responsive
I can’t wait to play this
Does this new level scaling fix the final boss in the canon of creation in the true neutral ending, because you had to fight shiva first (level 99) but the final boss is only level 90
shiva was super boss
@@astolfo2305 in the base gane you had to beat shiva first to unlock the true neutral route. Your party would be so over leveled against the final boss, it's not even a challenge
3:14 fighting an enemy with light attacks while using an essence weak to light is definitely not a good idea 💀
Does he talk about the DLC?
The DLC unlocks on launch, so no.
I was obsessed with SMT5 when it hit switch. Having this on Steam is going to be amazing, perfect to play on the Steam Deck. The OST has so so so many bangers. I still listen to it. Cant wait to hear some of the new stuff.
Can't wait to replay this on my switch & playing it on my Xbox for the first time.
I just know that the toxic Megaten fans are going to bitch about the game being more fair
I love the battle system but it's definitely a punishing game, lol.
Nah level scaling was trash and it dicourages people trying to beat stronger demons. It just made the game more boring. This new change is objetively better .
Nu-uh
Megaten fans lambasted the OG for its doodoo scaling lol
Nah, the level scaling in the og was trash and the spike at the end of the game was abhorrent game design lol I'm glad they changed this
0:45
Welp I'm sold 🥵
Diabolical !!
I thought you said you are going to give numeric scores from now on and not that "LOVED" emoji???
U dont want to know the score for this game…
Die for me!
How do you play this game early?
Game media channels get the games early. Isn't this not common sense?
Does anybody knows if the quality of life goes both routes andmvengeance only chances the narrative and new area. And also the news demons are they for both routes? I am planning to play both since I never played the game
I don't know if all improvements are in vainilla, but combat changes are 100% there, the exploration and guest sistem I can't tell.
It goes for both routes. They showed them in vaious PVs and showcases for the past few months and just few days ago.
Can we choose Japanese voice actors instead of english ? 🙏 I'm a bit worried 😅
Of course. That was in the vanilla version
Does anyone know if you can use console’s built/in capture functionality to capture video clips in vengeance? (Except the final dungeon and ending)
Im in ps5 last zone and until now I was able to take a clip every time
Well what about nocturne do u fill it's better cause I do not
I like V way more than Nocturne
I never finished the game on my switch even though I bought it for that, and when I saw they were making this version right around the time I was going to finally sit down and play it I was like screw that like how dare you going to sell me the same game again 😂 they literally could have just patched the old game but you know whatever I might not mind buying it on steam. Just wondering if it's going to be worth it ty for the review
As a hardcore SMT fan this is among my favorite of the modern era. My good it feels like a super sentai toketsu warrior battling kaijus and otherworldy monsters. The game is phenomenal and among atlus best game.
Weeb
And it still comes with Day 1 DLC... YAY! 😂
Rikku :)
What if you thought the original was too easy and didn't provide a good enough grind?
Im so disappointed by Atlus way of publishing their definitive games.. I bought the special edition of smt v back when it came out, and haven't had a chance to play it, but I was planning on, but now seeing smt vengeance.. it's really just upsetting, honestly
Wait that's your own fault for neglecting the game back in 2021 not Atlus doing a definitive version nearly 3 years later lol
Brother buy an offline activation account for like 4 bucks like i did
How did you not find time in 3 WHOLE ASS YEARS to play a 60-70 hour game??? No one is that busy.
@@enigmaticheart666 being in the army is tough, buddy
You’ve had years to play it…thats your fault
Put it on PC!!!
It is on PC
lol
It is launched on the same day
Maybe a dumb question but does Denuvo have an impact of the game on PC?
Yes its a dumb question. No it doesnt
is this simply dad?
Altho I don't generally like hard games that force you to fail every major battle just so you can gather information and change your strategy accordingly... i gotta say, I tried 2 times to beat King Frost on those warehouses in the second map, and on the third time, I used Jack Frost's essence, changing my Ice affinity to DRAIN. King Frost couldn't kill me xD
Game is super hard, and tho it doesn't have the charm and aesthetics of Persona 5 Royal, the mechanics are basically the same, the demons are most of the same as the Personas in that game so it's a really good game for a P5 fan. I'm 20something hours in.
Coming from Persona, i stayed away from SMT series. I bought it after hearing it is more accessible because i hate unfair games
Explain "unfair" LoL
@@chechuromero5734 He means game with challenge is unfair 😂. He hates Souls games
I didn't play the original release on switch and I'm planning o getting the game on PS5. Should I just skip cannon of creation and go straight to vengeance?
Do both on one after the other
Just one thing, it's not a Definitive edition of smt5 since there is DLCs available for purchase (a true definitive edition would have everything on the cartridge/disc or at least a download code).
But besides that tiny thing that bothers me, I'm ready on every consoles to build my ultimate team of demons.
Calling it not a definitive edition because of DLC is weird because that makes Persona 5 Royal on the PS4 not definitive either.
It had it all on Switch, no DLC. Eventually they did give the DLC away for the PS4 version, right?
Never played Persona 5 but if there was still content available to purchase despite the "royal edition" supposed to be the definitive version of that game, then yes it wasn't a definitive version.
The DLCs are just add ons you wont be needing unless you are a fan of the series. Like you wont be knowing who the fuck is Dagda and Konohana Sakuya unless you play SMT IV Apocalypse and P4G or Majin Tensei II. They wont make the game "definitive".
This game absolutely needs 60 fps
It’s easy now. “Casual”
Great
They nerf the combat system though. But I will still pick n beat a lot easier now 😂
Ty
i put down the original because of its god awful frame rate, looking forward to playing it on more capable hardware.
"A mere 20 levels". Mere. Really? Lol
I suppose for other RPGs that’s a big level difference, but I remember in SMT IV being able to destroy a level 70 monster with a party of level 25 allies lol
Oh GameXplain got a black staffer now! That's wassup!
7 minutes and 36 minutes of review and you said absolutely nothing... that is, did you realize before publishing this "REVIEW" that you said absolutely nothing? some of your general personal opinion and stop... Really ridiculous