How do they get rid of Owies and keep Fantasia, Durdin and Motlop? He's better than all three of them put together. This is why we are a 7th to 11th team, because our game plan is 5 years out of date and they're recruiting to match it. It's a disgrace that Hawthorn have been rebuilding half the time we have and have already gone way past us, and will keep going. We are stuck in the past and will keep sliding. Window closed!!
Love Owies, plays for the club, exactly what we need. I feel Owies upped his value to the club and the Blues are trying to see if they can match his offer, so waiting until the draft sounds about right. Just my gut feeling.
With all of the questions that have been asked about the development of our players over the years, Matt Owies has been a great development story. He’s come a long way to become a damn good forward. He’s a reliable kick for goal and plays with his heart on his sleeve. We need his type in the side. This would be a bad decision to let him walk.
He is a heart and soul player and lifts the squad when down. He should of been signed months ago and this makes me question the coaching integrity as to why we are having this discussion.
Agree 100% Get rid of Motlop, Williams, and or Fantasia… Matt has proven himself over and over and yes just love how he lifts the team. Reward the REAL players with a contract PLEASE!
For some reason, Fantasia, Durdin and Motlop are protected species. They don't treat them like they treat Matt Kennedy or Jack Carroll or Brodie Kemp or Jaxon Binns or Alex Cincotta or even Ashton Moir. What do these three players have that I can't see? It's certainly not goals or possessions, because they don't have those!!
They may be on peanuts. Owies has currency in a trade, whereas others at the club don't. Getting rid of some of those today means they can keep others. Fantasia is a puzzle to me, he has been for a long time, I mean he just doesn't deliver on his promise. Plus, Fantasia's promise has to have no currency now, it must be in the gutter.
Fantasia, Durdin and Motlop have been mostly in the VFL this year until we got all those injuries, then they were recalled. I wouldnt say they're protected species.. Owies won't be going anywhere, he's way better than those three. I'm sure we'll keep him!
It’s my biggest problem with this club of ours. Not rewarding and keeping the players that actually want to stay. Same happened with Eddie Betts and Zach Tuohy. Got Dale Thomas at the time we lost Betts. That worked out well 😂
Tuohy (as well as Henderson) were traded because they had currency; it helped us get the picks that turned into the bumper draft getting Weitering, McKay and Curnow in one single draft. Sometimes you gotta give up something to get something... Carlton didnt match Adelaides offer for Betts, that was a mistake for sure. We should have matched the offer..
Part of me thinks the club is cooking something up in the background trade period and told him to wait in good faith which makes senese but who really knows what they’re doing. The reality is they don’t even know what’s going to pan out. There are 5 other seniors I can reel off now, even after today’s exits that I would show the door to before Mattie O. 🤞
Owies was criminally underrated this year. And when we started to fall apart against our rematch to the giants I remember him coming on in the fourth and thinking why the fuck was he on the bench all game
He's one of my favourite players. If they get rid of him for no good reason it's just another blow to my care factor for watching this club. I can only take so much bullshit.
Are we going to add this one to the long list of selection mistakes made before, during and after the season. Owies is a must keep, there are other small forwards who we can trade and there seams to be others that are selectors favorites who get selected regardless of results and performance. On past performance maybe we should look at trading a couple of selectors first.
Matt Owies is a brilliant Carlton footballer. He is a consistent goal scorer and is capable of firing up the team and the crowd. He is extremely popular among the fans. He is passionate and determined and leaves it all out there. It would be madness to let him go. Please stop insulting him and get him signed up at Carlton for another 100 years.
Owies has to stay in my reckoning. We have to try and contract him whilst getting those other deals done. Have to make this work. We all know that he is our best small forward at this point.
The fact is we only have 2 current Senior spots left after the draft. I don’t agree with it but we’re clearly going hard at Houston so once that decision and deal is done then we will re consider. If we just sign on owies then we will only have 1 spot for Haynes and yes Houston Woukd get traded for a player but that’s why we’re waiting and seeing imo, sucks a lot of Owies but previous list management mistakes have lead to this like having 18 current players at the end of next season including Weiters, Saad, Newman, kemp, TDK, McGovern.
Maybe Owies wants a big pay rise/long contract after kicking over 30 goals last few seasons. We dont know the details yet. Im not writting off Motlop just yet, he has genuine talent, just needs to be developed properly. He's still very young.
I must say, I like Owies and he kicks goals, but I wouldn’t say he is a ‘traditional’ small forward. He is quick and fast, does crumb and doesn’t really break lines. He more plays like a mid sized forward, likes leading up, getting on the lead and kicking of the set shot. I like him, but… I don’t think he is what we need in that forward line. We need a crumbing, quick, line breaking small forward. Now, I agree with the comments that Motlop, Fantasia and Durdin aren’t doing it either, but these smalls aren’t up for a new deal. My guess would be that when their time comes and they don’t improve, they won’t get a contract either.
I don’t know. I’m torn on this one. Owies is workman like but I don’t see him as a game breaking small forward. I know he’s kicked 33 goals this year but do you think someone like Kennedy could do the same job? If he was to be played in that position. Seeing as he doesn’t really have one in the side.
So Owies kicks goals,is probably our best set shot and lifts the team more than any other player on the list,yeah let’s not give him a contract 🙄it’s the Carlton thing to do
Pies supporter here, can’t stand the bloke but hasn’t he kicked over 60 goals in the last two years? How the hell hasn’t he been offered a contract? Pies are well off for small forwards but I’d have him.
This is the lunacy of Carlton paying overs for "stars" who don't stand up when it matters.....and leave the rest of the team FAR below average. Owies is our best small forward....but he wouldn't even start at any of the teams still live in the finals.
if he goes he goes if he stays he stays oh well it’s out of our control. will we be angry and want to burn the club yes we will yes. it’ll then leave motlop and durdin as our primary small forwards. which i have alot of question on because where will our goals come from since they’ve been in shocking form
What happened in the exit meeting? If it's anything like a couple managers I've had, it will be all about Owies letting the side down by getting suspended before an elimination final and complete amnesia regarding all previous contributions. Trading Owies for picks to get prospects is batsh!te insane. Surely Austin can't be thinking that. We're not getting anything to replace what Owies provides in other scenarios, either. Pressure and tackling (at one point one of the best i50 tackler pound for pound in the game) as well as goals. Unless Motlop and Durdin suddenly learn how to run his patterns. You'd think they'd be doing that already when he's on the bench or working up the ground. Or is our forward coaching just that sh!te? I think he's worth a lot but what do we get for him? Anyone who really makes up what we lose? Come on. And then kill the near future by handing over first round picks for someone who plays a different position. Ugh. Maybe the club is just waiting to see what they will have with the new salary cap. Martin off the books has to help.
Carlton dont rotate plyers enough during the season, you can't expect 22 games out of someone and then expext them to be 100% for fnals. Half the team was falling over weeks before the finals . Especially when we have some very exciting young players in the vfl
As a Richmond supporter I’m shocked with the Owies situation. He’s such a reliable goal kicker. The whole lacks defensive qualities imo is way overblown.
Somethng is out of wack at our Club. Owies should have been jumped on to re-sign. I think our "plan" and "vision" for the Team by those at the Club who are in control of it is Wrong. Someone has TOO much say on what team and game "plan" we want going forward , because we may well end up NOT going forward.
I don't think the club is stupid, they know how good Owies is for us, but they seems to be taking a risk to see what He's worth to other clubs, which I don't think is worth the risk.
Trade owies and Kennedy and Carrol for picks 30-45 range. Can then package those picks to lions for pick 14. We can get Houston with 14 and future first
Are you kidding 🤬 , another one willing to sell the farm on has beens, we gave up 5 for Cera , keep doing this and we'll NEVER go further than we are now . If Port valued him they'd be fighting to keep him , they're thinking " these muppets at Carlton will pay a high price for him " , while laughing at us all the way to the draft .
@loufolino7336 I just wouldn't give up those 3 to get the points for Houston , I haven't seen any hint of Houston desperate to come to Carlton , I only want him here if playing for the jumper is what exites him most , not the coin or the deal , the long term deal and coin will come if he's any good . By that I mean good for us . I'd be getting rid of Cera before Owies ( our best small forward ), Kennedys' ( versatility) or J Carroll ( already performing as good with years up his sleeve ) .
The only one of value in those avaiable to go. I like owie he's consistant in being on the park and taking oppertunities, fact its been so long now does say a lot, typical carlton get rid of a proven small forward that plays all year when we're after small forwards. Maybe they do have something in the wind. I assume they have been keeping him updated during the last half of year so exit meeting likely continuing that, this's where we are at topic. What ever way it go's don't think he'l be blindsided. Can only trust the people making these decisions have more of a clue than me, I sometimes wonder. Go Tez Go Blues.
get rid of all Motlop and fantasia and keep owies easy... our club seems to over complicate easy decisions we are looking like a basket case in eyes of the rest of the competition
Just abandon the chase for Houston. Not worth the collateral damage and actual cost. And its time to move away from our strategy of bringing in players via trades, and focus on developing what we've got. For Owies, its hard one with many aspects to consider. He doesn't have the speed or bag of tricks of most small forwards. But he kicks goals. Does he kick enough though when he's got the 2 best tall forwards in the league to work with or would someone else do better? He has some spirit, and we need that more than anything right now. But the bigger problem is that we can't keep playing Owies, Motlop, Fogarty, Fantasia, and Durdin together - especially if Zac is also considered a forward now. Its too much list space dedicated to small forwards. Its not that Owies is behind the others, its that he's off contract before them.
The stats prove Owies is our best small. Insanity if we lose him. We will finish bottom 4 if he goes and we are stuck with useless soft, injurie prone dreck like Fantasia Garbage, Motflop and Durdin who is plainly crap. Owies can finish, kick straight etc. Moir is still too raw.
I think only the Carlton football club is that dumb and arrogant that they would trade the poor bloke, whilst keeping and rewarding a dud like motlop. I've supported this club for 40 years and I tell you now, we won't go anywhere near a flag next year. There is too many cracks.
I hope not. We would be getting rid of Martin and getting the same type of player in Ryan just older, slower and getting more injury prone. I watched him try and play in the middle against Melbourne and he was woefull.
Yeah, Owies is so "average" that he is the only Carlton small to kick more than 30 goals in a season since Jeff Garlett booted 43 in 2013 (33 in 2024 to be exact)!!! And his combined tally of 60 goals over the past 2 seasons is the best since Eddie Betts tally of 75 goals across 2012-13.
How do they get rid of Owies and keep Fantasia, Durdin and Motlop? He's better than all three of them put together. This is why we are a 7th to 11th team, because our game plan is 5 years out of date and they're recruiting to match it. It's a disgrace that Hawthorn have been rebuilding half the time we have and have already gone way past us, and will keep going. We are stuck in the past and will keep sliding. Window closed!!
Host exactly 💯
It's time to revisit the past dude. BIG BROWN PAPER BAGS is the answer 😊😁👊😎👊
@@darylokeefe6016 owies has signed 2 year deal
I get the sense that its going to be more of the same next year.
@@darylokeefe6016 we can open the door if window is closed
Love Matt Owies. Can't get rid of him, surely not...
Love Owies, plays for the club, exactly what we need. I feel Owies upped his value to the club and the Blues are trying to see if they can match his offer, so waiting until the draft sounds about right. Just my gut feeling.
With all of the questions that have been asked about the development of our players over the years, Matt Owies has been a great development story. He’s come a long way to become a damn good forward. He’s a reliable kick for goal and plays with his heart on his sleeve. We need his type in the side. This would be a bad decision to let him walk.
@@howardtorly9803 I think eventually he will stay. Really interesting story though.
@@BlueAbroad I really hope so
He is a heart and soul player and lifts the squad when down. He should of been signed months ago and this makes me question the coaching integrity as to why we are having this discussion.
Agree 100%
Get rid of Motlop, Williams, and or Fantasia…
Matt has proven himself over and over and yes just love how he lifts the team.
Reward the REAL players with a contract PLEASE!
Love Matt Owies.Matt loves the club and has kicked some important goals. So many times shows passion on the field. Please keep him.
For some reason, Fantasia, Durdin and Motlop are protected species. They don't treat them like they treat Matt Kennedy or Jack Carroll or Brodie Kemp or Jaxon Binns or Alex Cincotta or even Ashton Moir. What do these three players have that I can't see? It's certainly not goals or possessions, because they don't have those!!
They may be on peanuts. Owies has currency in a trade, whereas others at the club don't. Getting rid of some of those today means they can keep others. Fantasia is a puzzle to me, he has been for a long time, I mean he just doesn't deliver on his promise. Plus, Fantasia's promise has to have no currency now, it must be in the gutter.
Fantasia, Durdin and Motlop have been mostly in the VFL this year until we got all those injuries, then they were recalled. I wouldnt say they're protected species.. Owies won't be going anywhere, he's way better than those three. I'm sure we'll keep him!
Writing on the wall for Owies, unfortunately. Disappointing to see how they’re treating him!
It’s my biggest problem with this club of ours. Not rewarding and keeping the players that actually want to stay. Same happened with Eddie Betts and Zach Tuohy. Got Dale Thomas at the time we lost Betts. That worked out well 😂
Tuohy (as well as Henderson) were traded because they had currency; it helped us get the picks that turned into the bumper draft getting Weitering, McKay and Curnow in one single draft. Sometimes you gotta give up something to get something... Carlton didnt match Adelaides offer for Betts, that was a mistake for sure. We should have matched the offer..
@@markdouglas9182 Fair call, I forgot that about the picks for those three and am always going on about how well we did with that draft.
Please keep Matt Owies 😢
Just shows they have lost the plot treating Owies, Kennedy and Hewitt like shit but sign on others who deliver and offer nothing 😢
He loves Carlton. We should keep him.
Part of me thinks the club is cooking something up in the background trade period and told him to wait in good faith which makes senese but who really knows what they’re doing. The reality is they don’t even know what’s going to pan out. There are 5 other seniors I can reel off now, even after today’s exits that I would show the door to before Mattie O. 🤞
Owies was criminally underrated this year. And when we started to fall apart against our rematch to the giants I remember him coming on in the fourth and thinking why the fuck was he on the bench all game
please stay mat we need you for 2025 :(
He's one of my favourite players. If they get rid of him for no good reason it's just another blow to my care factor for watching this club. I can only take so much bullshit.
Are we going to add this one to the long list of selection mistakes made before, during and after the season. Owies is a must keep, there are other small forwards who we can trade and there seams to be others that are selectors favorites who get selected regardless of results and performance. On past performance maybe we should look at trading a couple of selectors first.
I’ve heard there was several club’s interested in him that was about 3-4 months ago now so
let’s see where it lands ?
Matt Owies is a brilliant Carlton footballer. He is a consistent goal scorer and is capable of firing up the team and the crowd. He is extremely popular among the fans. He is passionate and determined and leaves it all out there. It would be madness to let him go. Please stop insulting him and get him signed up at Carlton for another 100 years.
The club is mad if they let him walk out the door 🫠
Owies is one of our most reliable and straightest kickers ..thats for sure 😂
Owies has to stay in my reckoning. We have to try and contract him whilst getting those other deals done. Have to make this work. We all know that he is our best small forward at this point.
The fact is we only have 2 current Senior spots left after the draft.
I don’t agree with it but we’re clearly going hard at Houston so once that decision and deal is done then we will re consider.
If we just sign on owies then we will only have 1 spot for Haynes and yes Houston Woukd get traded for a player but that’s why we’re waiting and seeing imo, sucks a lot of Owies but previous list management mistakes have lead to this like having 18 current players at the end of next season including Weiters, Saad, Newman, kemp, TDK, McGovern.
Maybe Owies wants a big pay rise/long contract after kicking over 30 goals last few seasons. We dont know the details yet. Im not writting off Motlop just yet, he has genuine talent, just needs to be developed properly. He's still very young.
Finally someone else sees it. I want the Blues to keep Owies and Motlop 👍
Interesting, Owies goes, but we keep, Durdin, Motlop and Fantasia, Got it! lol
If they don’t re sign him, we have serious issues in our coaching department 🤦🏻♂️
The only small forwards we should keep are Owies, Fogarty and Moir
I must say, I like Owies and he kicks goals, but I wouldn’t say he is a ‘traditional’ small forward. He is quick and fast, does crumb and doesn’t really break lines. He more plays like a mid sized forward, likes leading up, getting on the lead and kicking of the set shot.
I like him, but… I don’t think he is what we need in that forward line. We need a crumbing, quick, line breaking small forward. Now, I agree with the comments that Motlop, Fantasia and Durdin aren’t doing it either, but these smalls aren’t up for a new deal. My guess would be that when their time comes and they don’t improve, they won’t get a contract either.
I don’t know. I’m torn on this one. Owies is workman like but I don’t see him as a game breaking small forward. I know he’s kicked 33 goals this year but do you think someone like Kennedy could do the same job? If he was to be played in that position. Seeing as he doesn’t really have one in the side.
So Owies kicks goals,is probably our best set shot and lifts the team more than any other player on the list,yeah let’s not give him a contract 🙄it’s the Carlton thing to do
Owies is the best of our small forward, I am surprised Sam Durdin and to a certain extent Corey Durdin, Jesse Motlop and McGovern were not delisted
Our best small forward. So why?
Pies supporter here, can’t stand the bloke but hasn’t he kicked over 60 goals in the last two years? How the hell hasn’t he been offered a contract? Pies are well off for small forwards but I’d have him.
Yeah, even though you can't stand him???? You're fake like your team!!!
I'd be pretty dirty we signed durdin again and we miss owies as much as I haven't had great things to say about him.
This is the lunacy of Carlton paying overs for "stars" who don't stand up when it matters.....and leave the rest of the team FAR below average. Owies is our best small forward....but he wouldn't even start at any of the teams still live in the finals.
Huge mistake he isn't signed already.
if he goes he goes if he stays he stays oh well it’s out of our control. will we be angry and want to burn the club yes we will yes. it’ll then leave motlop and durdin as our primary small forwards. which i have alot of question on because where will our goals come from since they’ve been in shocking form
What a stuff up, if they get rid of owies, but i suppose ,his not like from voss,he has his favourites so sorry matt 😢
Still trying to work out how fantasia is on a AFL list 😂
What happened in the exit meeting? If it's anything like a couple managers I've had, it will be all about Owies letting the side down by getting suspended before an elimination final and complete amnesia regarding all previous contributions. Trading Owies for picks to get prospects is batsh!te insane. Surely Austin can't be thinking that. We're not getting anything to replace what Owies provides in other scenarios, either. Pressure and tackling (at one point one of the best i50 tackler pound for pound in the game) as well as goals. Unless Motlop and Durdin suddenly learn how to run his patterns. You'd think they'd be doing that already when he's on the bench or working up the ground. Or is our forward coaching just that sh!te? I think he's worth a lot but what do we get for him? Anyone who really makes up what we lose? Come on. And then kill the near future by handing over first round picks for someone who plays a different position. Ugh. Maybe the club is just waiting to see what they will have with the new salary cap. Martin off the books has to help.
Carlton dont rotate plyers enough during the season, you can't expect 22 games out of someone and then expext them to be 100% for fnals. Half the team was falling over weeks before the finals . Especially when we have some very exciting young players in the vfl
As a Richmond supporter I’m shocked with the Owies situation. He’s such a reliable goal kicker. The whole lacks defensive qualities imo is way overblown.
Definitely shocked me too. He's one of few that constantly improves every year.
Somethng is out of wack at our Club. Owies should have been jumped on to re-sign. I think our "plan" and "vision" for the Team by those at the Club who are in control of it is Wrong. Someone has TOO much say on what team and game "plan" we want going forward , because we may well end up NOT going forward.
I don't mind a few moves like this being made. We need to improve.
I would be totally pissed if he got the flick!
I don't think the club is stupid, they know how good Owies is for us, but they seems to be taking a risk to see what He's worth to other clubs, which I don't think is worth the risk.
Trade owies and Kennedy and Carrol for picks 30-45 range. Can then package those picks to lions for pick 14. We can get Houston with 14 and future first
Are you kidding 🤬 , another one willing to sell the farm on has beens, we gave up 5 for Cera , keep doing this and we'll NEVER go further than we are now . If Port valued him they'd be fighting to keep him , they're thinking " these muppets at Carlton will pay a high price for him " , while laughing at us all the way to the draft .
@@Magma2035 he wants to go home. What would you give for him. I would give future first, but port will ask for more as he is under contract
@loufolino7336 I just wouldn't give up those 3 to get the points for Houston , I haven't seen any hint of Houston desperate to come to Carlton , I only want him here if playing for the jumper is what exites him most , not the coin or the deal , the long term deal and coin will come if he's any good . By that I mean good for us . I'd be getting rid of Cera before Owies ( our best small forward ), Kennedys' ( versatility) or J Carroll ( already performing as good with years up his sleeve ) .
We don’t need both Camporeale boys only one, and we need Owies. I’m sure he isn’t on megabucks.
Like the cats tying to rid of sdk what the hell
The only one of value in those avaiable to go. I like owie he's consistant in being on the park and taking oppertunities, fact its been so long now does say a lot, typical carlton get rid of a proven small forward that plays all year when we're after small forwards. Maybe they do have something in the wind. I assume they have been keeping him updated during the last half of year so exit meeting likely continuing that, this's where we are at topic. What ever way it go's don't think he'l be blindsided. Can only trust the people making these decisions have more of a clue than me, I sometimes wonder. Go Tez Go Blues.
Part of me says he ends up at St Kilda
get rid of all Motlop and fantasia and keep owies easy... our club seems to over complicate easy decisions we are looking like a basket case in eyes of the rest of the competition
Motlop is not up to the standard required for a top 4 side
🤷♂️ I don't get it or have a clue about this weird position we are in?🤔
This is so depressing
Bugger baily Smith we need you
Come to the cats owies we need you
I would keep owies over motlop , fantasia, dursin.. And does anybody know why he was omitted from last year's final?
What are Carlton waiting for
The blues are doing the right thing for young and owies get them a trade. Kennedy to stay
reminds me of a zach touhy situation
houston + doc >>> zac into forward line permanently
If owies was playing elsewhere he would be a trade target to us. Makes no sense at all.
Owies is a Poor man's Papley, and a required player!!
Just abandon the chase for Houston.
Not worth the collateral damage and actual cost. And its time to move away from our strategy of bringing in players via trades, and focus on developing what we've got.
For Owies, its hard one with many aspects to consider.
He doesn't have the speed or bag of tricks of most small forwards. But he kicks goals.
Does he kick enough though when he's got the 2 best tall forwards in the league to work with or would someone else do better?
He has some spirit, and we need that more than anything right now.
But the bigger problem is that we can't keep playing Owies, Motlop, Fogarty, Fantasia, and Durdin together - especially if Zac is also considered a forward now. Its too much list space dedicated to small forwards. Its not that Owies is behind the others, its that he's off contract before them.
Keep Owies, get rid of Voss.
The stats prove Owies is our best small. Insanity if we lose him. We will finish bottom 4 if he goes and we are stuck with useless soft, injurie prone dreck like Fantasia Garbage, Motflop and Durdin who is plainly crap. Owies can finish, kick straight etc. Moir is still too raw.
Cash-In
I think only the Carlton football club is that dumb and arrogant that they would trade the poor bloke, whilst keeping and rewarding a dud like motlop. I've supported this club for 40 years and I tell you now, we won't go anywhere near a flag next year. There is too many cracks.
If freo was smart they would try for him before bolten younger hungrier and with a point to prove
Give me Booby Hill, Willy Rioli, Liam Ryan, any day!
If we don’t keep Owies, then this club is a joke.
Or are we getting Ryan from Eagles
I hope not. We would be getting rid of Martin and getting the same type of player in Ryan just older, slower and getting more injury prone. I watched him try and play in the middle against Melbourne and he was woefull.
I hope he stays, he's a good mark on the lead , a great set short, always 0lays with energy
Hello
2nd round draft pick i think
Owies is a very average footballer along with kennedy
Yeah, Owies is so "average" that he is the only Carlton small to kick more than 30 goals in a season since Jeff Garlett booted 43 in 2013 (33 in 2024 to be exact)!!! And his combined tally of 60 goals over the past 2 seasons is the best since Eddie Betts tally of 75 goals across 2012-13.
Fantasia is crap
Why is voss wanting him
Most overrated player in the comp. Kicks cheap rubbish goals. Fools gold. Trade while his value is high. Smart business.
I am happy he has signed a 2 year deal
Confirmed?
When?
Our best small forward. So why?
Our best small forward. So why?
Our best small forward. So why?
We only have 2 list spots left unfortunately