On contrary, gained a lot of respect for Sam here. Too bad he's pro censorship, though. But at least he's sharp enough to see through the covid hysteria.
@@serjherman Yeah, "Hysteria" is the thing that almost killed me 3 f'ing times. Not covid. How could I have been so blind??!!! Dude, grow a conscience.
I always suspected that he and some of the other guys might have some weird views, but him spouting that completely infantile "I got Covid and I was fine so it's not a big deal" bullshit had my jaw on the floor. Just completely brain dead logic.
I would be very careful about saying covid doesn't matter anymore. There are still around 1000 people per day who would strongly disagree with your flippant attitude saying it doesn't matter. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of families of the dead, myself included. Just because it didn't impact you, your attitude toward it is extremely selfish. I also have family that got covid and were completely fine, but then I have family members in a grave because of it. So spare me your blase attitude about how doesn't matter. Digging a hole isn't the only way, it's called do what almost every doctor says and not what Joe friggin Rogan says. I mean c'mon, use your brain and have some empathy. I'm huge fans of you guys but these conversations have been eye opening about who I thought you guys were.
That's what their opinion was always going to be because it's the terminal liberal consensus to be unconcerned with the state of the world. It's a luxury to not think about these things, to ignore them, and it's not a luxury that everyone can learn to discard, or that some people even know they have. We're all just products of circumstance and they just happened to have the default opinion. Pity it, but don't resent them too hard for it.
@@EriGon5 who said anything about politics and pushing agenda? You did. Spare me your political BS. You call me incompetent for pointing out that me and others like me have buried family members? All for what, money? I've buried family members, but none of my family members have lost a business. I still go to work every day. You should be ashamed of yourself and actually read what people say, and not just be so excited to jump out with your dissertation about the economy. I'd give up all of my money, and yours, to have my family members back. So again, spare me your nonsense "stats". Multiple family members of mine are just that now, "stats" of the millions dead of covid. Don't bother replying with more ignorance.
I love how people want to reply with messages about the economy and my supposed political opinion. I said nothing of politics, yet people comment about how I'm "pushing an agenda". The ignorance is stunning. I write a message about family members who are dead of covid, healthy family members dead now. Yet I'm pushing an agenda. My message said to have some empathy, and I get a reply about the economy. Seriously, F off with your economic woes. I'd give up anything, including your sacred economic river of tears, to have my family back. F off!
@@EriGon5 I love how people want to reply with messages about the economy and my supposed political opinion. I said nothing of politics, yet people comment about how I'm "pushing an agenda". The ignorance is stunning. I write a message about family members who are dead of covid, healthy family members dead now. Yet I'm pushing an agenda. My message said to have some empathy, and I get a reply about the economy. Seriously, F off with your economic woes. I'd give up anything, including your sacred economic river of tears, to have my family back. F off!
I agree. Also, it's absolutely stupid to say "does misinformation even matter anymore" concerning covid -- for sure as hell it does. A show with 10+ million listeners per episode should not be able to spread misinformation, even at this stage in the pandemic. Sure, things are getting better -- but just because your family came off fine doesn't mean that misinformation that's being a driving force behind a pandemic is suddenly tolerated, your anecdotes are useless compared to real data. So if Joe Rogan is getting people not to take a vaccine for unfactual reasons, which is a large concern if a new wave were to happen next winter, it just has to be marked as misinformation no doubt about it.
In an echo chamber of social media - the truth does not always bubble to the top. Which is exactly what the algorithm is about. Just feeding you things you seem to enjoy.
5:10 my issue is on multiple occasions , when joe rogan is confronted with scientific, statistically proven truths to do with how viruses spread and the effects vaccines have, he has almost always been skeptical and question the source...something he almost never does for the opposite side, he is inconsistent and obviously has an agenda no matter how much he repeats the phrase "i am just trying to have a conversation"
I was in and out of the hospital multiple times from c*vid trying to kill me. I still am only partially recovered and will likely never be the same. I love you guys, but... no thumbs up for this one :(
Hey guys! I think, personally, this whole concept of allowing all topics to be discussed (which I agree with) hinges on one very important aspect. Critical thinking skills of the general populace. Schools need more funding and kids need to learn more important skills than how to be a worker drone. Currently most Americans are taught how to follow directions and not question what they are told and in that exact situation having people on social media spreading misinformation on a large scale is incredibly dangerous. So yes, free speech is very important, but so is education, and since our society views proper education as something to lock behind redlined school districts and price gated institutions, lower class Americans will have a harder time distinguishing fact from fiction. It goes back to a systemic issue that results in this misinformation vs free speech conversation being a symptom. We have to focus on the bigger picture here.
I think our larger problem is less about how much critical thinking people have ingrained into them and more the fact that our culture pushes that you can impose your will onto reality to such a tremendous extent, so we have this cultural myth and narrative of hyper-individualism, and bootstrapping yourself into whoever you are, full formed, and ultimate personal responsibility. It's kind of no wonder that people will beat reality into whatever shape they want it to be with rhetorical power, with their own power of belief and faith, when they've bought into the idea that they world is what they make it, rather than simply being what it is.
@@234fddesa these two things are not mutually exclusive and seem to be intertwined to the degree they could be akin to the chicken and the egg. Are they deluded/illogical because they are out of touch with realty or are they out of touch with reality because they are deluded/illogical.
@@soulance8342 I mean, are they out of touch because they're out of touch, or are they deluded because they're deluded? I think that we can probably combat our cultural existential crisis with schooling to a large degree, though I really wonder how you might federally mandate such a "critical thinking" program and such a thing would inevitably get politicized. At a local level it certainly seems more achievable, though you have more issues with how school funding works based on property tax and school district policy decisions. My point here is that our delusion is more of an epistemic thing than we like to realize, encompassed in all aspects of our cultural heritage, and to root it out is no small feat, especially when we've exported it to other countries to varying degrees of success and to varying effects. I would like to say that rooting out such a cultural thing requires cultural solutions, but I don't realistically know an achievable solution, especially "in what terms" or "with what". Maybe this is the role of art and media? Maybe it's the role of school? Maybe this is the role of various forms of social engineering? Ultimately, it's all of these and more, it's a social responsibility that falls upon all of us to find and implement a solution to the problems plaguing our inherited western framework. The solution to a lack of social fabric almost requires a social fabric. Needless to say, I'm not hopeful of our chances, or that at this point, if we find a solution, it will be in time.
Sam saying COVID is overrated because he and his family had only mild symptoms seems far-fetched and short-sighted, since sience and the statistics speak against him in this case. I like most of your videos and truly enjoy your content, especially the corridor crew stuff, but felt I needed to speak out here. This won't take away from all the stuff I enjoyed from you guys for now, (separating art from the artist here) since I feel from everything you get to see from your work as a viewer, it seems you still respect an follow all the health guidelines and so on. Just wanted to let you know and would be curious if he has changed his stance on this topic. I get that some of the more extreme points of view can seem to blow COVID out of proportion (since extreme POVs seem always to be the loudest), but the main consensus of science should be common sense, right? And I obviously get that not all of the measures that were taken in place to fight COVID might not have been the smartest in retrospect, but that doesn't take away from the real danger the virus carries. Nevertheless, I've been a loyal viewer since the time you were still bunking with Freddie, and I don't have to agree on everything you do or think (i.e. not a big fan of the heavy gun and weapon use in some of your videos), so I can still enjoy your content, creativity and passion for your art. So keep it up and keep up the open discussions.
@@braydenbro9247 No. He is generalizing the virus saying it's not serious. When almost 1m Americans have died from covid at this point. The people affected by that would say it is serious.
@PartNinja And I'd say it isn't. Flu was worse for me; my entire family had it, and we were all asymptomatic, except my mother had a fever for two days.
@@braydenbro9247 I'm not denying YOUR experience. But you can't generalize something based on your anecdotal experience. Almost 1 mil Americans had a much worse experience. And really the point goes back to this. Sure you're not scared, and you haven't had an issue. But you can pass covid to someone who can have a much worse reaction (death) if you aren't taking precautions to stop the spread yourself. That's why the line of thinking presented here isn't good.
Sam’s comments re: masks are so short-sighted. I understand the frustration and Covid-fatigue, but really? I appreciate the open discussions though. Love the podcasts, it’s some of my favorite content that you guys produce. Keep it up.
One of the biggest issues on social media platforms is moderation vs. censorship, is moderation censorship? To some it clearly is. Someone posts a hateful or inciting message and it gets deleted, people think their rights have been violated. Which isn't the case on a private platform. In some countries it's also literally a crime to incite hate or violence.
So if you equate witch burning with mis-information, would you be okay if there was a Bro Jogan who would bring witch burn advocates on to his show causing millions of impressionable listeners to warm to the idea of witch burning? (witch burners... the incels of the Early Modern period!) In an ideal world everyone would have the intellectual capacity to dismiss these ideas, but we don't live in that world and imho free speech is something that should be curtailed if it jeopardises public health or public safety (we should've done it when "big oil" was spending millions on climate change mis-information.) And I'm aware that it's a thin ice topic, because what will stop an authoritarian regime to use it as a precedent to squelch criticism? I don't know, never said this was an easy topic :)
That's ironic considering the mainstream narrative to COVID has been the equivalent to the hysteria that was experienced in the Witch Burnings. Fear and anxiety is the reason people fall into delusions and ruin their societies, and COVID is just another example of that. Having "mIsiNForMaTion" like Joe Rogan telling people to take a more rational and calm approach to the topic is what will prevent/reduce calamity.
@@KanyeT1306 Tell that to the nearly 6 million people that died from this virus. What I find ironic is that Rogan's been saying: "if you're in good shape you've got nothing to fear." But as soon as he got it he threw ''the kitchen sink'' at it (i.e. tens of thousands of dollars on experimental drugs that's not affordable by most of his audience, instead of just taking a tested, working, free vaccine.) Now I can agree that the COVID response and mandates neglected the mental well being of young people and perhaps a less uniform approach could've been better. But hindsight is 20-20.
I would think the podcast could have them on, and debate with them. You can have people on your show and make it very clear you do NOT agree with them. Allowing speech doesn't imply endorsement.
@@squishrabbit Yeah, but when it's hate speech or denial that can have deadly consequences you better have someone with the intellectual capacity to put some fire to their shins... Joe is not that guy. And then there's the problem of false equivalency, something the BBC did for years with climate change; they would put on a climate scientist against a denier under the guise of being "fair & balanced", whilst in reality it would have to be 99 climate scientists against 1 denier.
On a serious note, why don't you guys make your own off brand Oscars with the categories that you best see fit, like stunts or saddest looking actor? That could be a dope yearly event on the crew channel
I'm guessing you all don't exactly mean exactly what you were saying about covid this episode, but a lot of the takes are very very wrong. By far the biggest problem with covid right now is that people are not getting vaccinated against Covid. In the US only around 65% of people are fully vaccinated, and only around 40/45% are fully vaccinated and boostered. That means that 35% of people are straight up fully at risk of getting covid and having to go to the hospital, and even more than that are at risk of having a bad reaction to Omicron. The first important point to make here is that there is still a very large portion of people who remain unvaccinated and they are at risk of having a bad reaction. I don't think anyone here said anything to contradict this, but I just wanted to make sure this was stated. Also, it is important to note that natural immunity is nowhere near a replacement for getting vaccinated. I know that, again, noone said this on the podcast, but I just wanted to make this clear. Here's info on that if you are curious: www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-natural-immunity-what-you-need-to-know Anyway, uh, I don't know if Sam is just memeing when he says he refuses to wear a mask when asked, but I think that is just a part of a main thing expressed in the podcast that seemed either very wrong or very misleading. It seems like you are saying that the pandemic is here and we can't really do anything about it anymore once you get vaccinated unless we just shut ourselves in forever. I understand the sentiment, but that is very misleading. If everyone was fully vaccinated I would actually pretty much agree with you there, but as I stated above that is just not true. While for us vaccinated and boostered folk it is true that it doesn't even matter much whether we get the virus now, the unvaccinated are simply ruining it for everyone. Now, the main argument you probably think of here is that who cares what happens to those dumb enough to refuse the vaccine it's their choice, but it's not that simple. When those people end up getting the virus and getting super sick they end up in the hospital. And when that happens a lot we suddenly get the problems we are having now where hospitals are full and they can no longer treat everyone. That means that if your grandfather suddenly has a medical emergency he may not be able to get the treatment he needs at the hospital closest to him, which very well could lead to his death. This means that during times when hospitals start getting full like right now it is still very important to follow CDC guidelines like wearing a mask even though you yourself are not really at risk of getting super sick. I get being tired of the pandemic, but it is very important to keep following your local guidelines. Lastly, about Joe Rogan. It's easy to find shit takes on him where people criticize him for almost nothing, but just because those takes exist doesn't mean there arn't serious problems with his podcast. The main one which you didnt bring up at all here is that he lets people come on his podcast and just straight up say factually incorrect things about covid. If he let them express their opinions but called them out whenever they say something blatantly false that would be one thing, but there are lots of times where he just doesnt do that. This means that he is not only spreading misinformed opinions, he is also spreading blatantly untrue things. And the spread of these false facts is a lot more harmful that the spread of just some dumb opinion. Also, while he doesn't have as many horrible takes like the media likes to say he does, he does have some stupid takes like when he said and continues to believe and say that he doesnt think young people with no immune system problems need to be vaccinated. I get that you don't want to censure someone for just having a dumb opinion, but it is worth noting that he does believe some stupid stuff and continues to believe it even when confronted about it by scientists and the general scientific community.
We also have to consider the people that can't get vaccinated for one reason or another, like people with really terrible immune systems. I'd also criticize the "just let the unvaccinated die because they're stupid" mentality for it's callousness, on top of it's failure to consider hospital stressing, as you've pointed out. My fear is that this truly has become endemic, not because of the virus' spreading itself, which remains relatively unchanged, but the fact that media cycles have moved on, and americans are tired of being terribly inconvenienced with wearing a normal facial covering for about a year, on top of not being able to go to concerts, oh, how horrifying. American's distaste for mild civic responsibility when accompanied by their rhetoric about hyperindividual personal responsibility and bootstraps never seeks to confound and amuse. This, combined with price gouging and in some cases a blatant refusal to sell vaccines to countries with worse off economies or lower standards of living that both serve as repopulating grounds for these viruses and will suffer the ill effects of, even if a truly mild disease, much more than "first world countries". I think my main criticism of Joe Rogan is that the worst part of his podcast is him. He has on interesting people all the time but he's such an unapologetic meathead and just easily consumes anyone's opinion with little to no pushback unless they're directly contradicting his barely formed libertarian worldview, and even then, it's basically five minutes of conversation. He occasionally eggs a guest on with a question or two, but then it's back to bodybuilding gorillas and DMT and jiu jitsu being a high stakes chess game. Even as a chameleon he's a failure of a host. His success is more due to his being in the right place at the right time rather than any particular skill at interviews beyond the normal questions that someone might have. He has these fundamental problems, and there's little chance to change them, because they all stem from who he is as a person, rather than his skill in his craft. I think there's almost anyone else who given the same position would probably be a better host. Kevin james, even.
Agreed. I had to stop watching a few minutes in. It felt like I was watching Joe Rogan. Covid kept me in and out of the hospital for over a year. It almost got me a few times. I still have symptoms. That's my experience and it continues still (last hospital stay was 2nd week of December.)
>but a lot of the takes are very very wrong. You couldn't be more wrong on a number of topics mate. Your comment looks like it was taken straight out of April of 2020. The vaccine will not end this pandemic. It does not reduce transmission, and it barely reduces severe outcomes/deaths across all age groups. Getting more people vaccinated will accomplish nothing. The majority of the 35% are people who are not at risk anyway (healthy young people), or who have already had COVID. Yes, natural immunity is significantly stronger than the vaccine will ever be, several studies have shown that already. Hospitals being overrun is a completely irrelevant concern. Hospitals are overrun regularly, they are designed to be overrun and operate all full capacity - it doesn't justify putting life on pause to keep them empty. Your ignorance is why people continue to suffer under these restrictions, and it is not fair on them.
@@KanyeT1306 Wrong. Also, half of what you said doesn't even make sense. Just bumper sticker parroting of things you've heard said that aren't true. It's bizarre
I love when you guys talk about this stuff! It's just fun hearing a take from people I would consider "normal" compared to big time actors and political pages.
If during the buildup to the Iraq war you said Sadam didn't have WMDs, while you would be factually correct, that would have been considered blatant misinformation. What we accept as true constantly changes. Also social media companies have their own biases and financial incentives, so giving them the power to decide what is true is a massive can of worms.
After years of social media training us to make quick judgements, pick sides, sum up complex discussions into one line comments and let everyone know when we feel offended, it makes sense that we have mostly lost our ability of have free and open discussions about controversial topics. Constructive discussions need people to not only voice their opinions, but listen to others and know that if we hear new information we are allowed to change what we think. We also don't have to have the answers, we don't have to pick a side, its ok to talk about a topic and leave it as "that was interesting and I still have no idea what I think about that." We are in the middle of the largest revolution of communication that has ever happened, no wonder we are bad at it!
During the outro, I could vividly see the trailer for The Mechanic staring anorexic Tom Cruise. He appeared to me doing a burnout in his favorite old mustang somewhere in dusty west Texas
15:15 If anyone is interested Frontline has done a few documentaries that cover this topic. Mainly United States of Conspiracy, and in regards to general distrust, America after 9/11.
Tolerance is paradoxical in that it can't tolerate the intolerant. The same applies to free speech, which translates as: canvassing alternative treatments is vastly different from spreading false information, and social media networks are (actively) furthering such trends.
i think it's more complex than that, in that intolerance is developed from intolerance, but a truly "tolerant" perspective is intolerant to nothing. we just like the idea of being tolerant, but when we encounter those with differing or opposing opinions, we make exceptions and explanations as to why it's ok. nothing wrong with that, we should just call it what it is instead of pretending we can despise the ignorant without being ignorant ourselves. and to clarify, there is a definite difference between the ideologically intolerant and the violently intolerant. those who would incite or act in violence are simply a public safety hazard, and should be dealt with as such
This was amazing, I would love to see you guys hold your own Oscars with your own categories. Also a short on the Corridor channel of Shift featuring a deepfake Tom Cruise would be hilarious.
I think you should do an entire podcast on "the social dilemma." I think it is important to factor in how social media is warping our perceptions of reality and truth. Have the entire sit down and watch it, and then come together the next day and talk about it.
Peaceful transition from monarchy to parliament? No not at all lmao Sooooo much death. This is the only Asterix I'm adding cause no way was it near peaceful
If Sam an Jake think No way home is a better film with better writing then Manchester by the sea. It truly shows how much they lack in directing, writing, an filming. Manchester by the sea is a far better film then No way home. Period period period
Your movie opinions were wretched enough that I feel compelled to leave a dislike. I am leaving this comment so others can see. Manchester By The Sea and Nomadland are fantastic I don't care what you say. That's not to say I don't agree with some of your points.
Yeah that whole section of the podcast was a downer for me personally. I highly respect their opinions and approach to VFX and the tons of videos they've done on the subject but their take on indie and non-conventional, character driven films is very bad and uninformed.
Let's have some clarity, Rogan never *used* that word. Not in any instance in that "supercut" was Rogan ever making reference to anything BUT that word - no person, living or dead, nor any group, race, ethnicity or identity. The supercut was an out of context hit piece. Ironic that the authors of the hit piece use their free speech in an effort to censor the free speech of others.
I love that they aren’t scared to give their full 100% honest opinions on controversial topics regardless of possible/likely backlash they’ll receive. Especially Sams take on Covid in the intro. Makes me respect the hell out of you guys 10 fold and couldn’t agree with him more. Please never give in to any of the bullshit noise. The minority tend to be the loudest voices anyways so know we got your guys’ back even if I don’t agree with your take I’ll support no matter what!
I shared all my opinions on the topic in the previous podcast, but I will add this. Just think how incorrect the mainstream narrative has been so far. They said the vaccine would stop transmission, turns out that was wrong. They said COVID couldn't have come from a lab, turns out they were wrong. They said the vaccine was safe and effective, turns out that was wrong (although there is some benefit if you are at risk, not nearly as effective as they were suggesting). They said you can spread it while asymptomatic, turns out that was wrong. They said that surface transmission was a thing, turns out that was wrong. They said masks would work (against decades of established medical research on the topic), turns out that was wrong. They said we should lockdown, against all established medical advice, and from that latest John Hopkin's study it turns out it did absolutely nothing, yet caused so much collateral damage that we will be feeling for decades to come. That's not even getting into all the times they've been wrong throughout history. Remember when doctors advocated for smoking, saying it was healthy for you? Are eggs good or bad for your cholesterol? They've been flip-flopping on that one for decades. Just look at how much of a mess they made out of the HIV/AIDS epidemic in the 80s. Then consider the times the government/mainstream narrative has specifically hurt people. MK Ultra, the Tuskegee Syphilis study, etc. At this point, you have to be insane to suggest that we shouldn't be allowed to discuss these topics on social media. Look at how much mis- or disinformation the government and public health officials have put out over the past two years. How many lives could have been saved if people were allowed to poke holes in the mainstream narrative sooner rather than later? How many people have died because they chose to omit crucial and obvious information, like "obesity is a severe comorbidity, we recommend losing weight"? How many people died by taking government advice and weakening their immune systems, like staying indoors all day? After all of this, if you are still on board with censoring misinformation, at least start with the government and then we'll talk.
7:20 same here Sam. You’re not alone, people have been done with this since late 2020. Eventually everyone reaches the point of not caring. Sorry folks, but it’s true.
Sam's on the brink of waking up, however, he's argument that you can't criticise vaccine mandates, can't ask questions about vaccine efficacy, and at the same time treat yourself with what used to be widely available (even though a bit expensive) medicine, is void. Besides, Rogan _did_ say that he's for vaccinating vulnerable people but against forced mandates and mask regimes - especially for children. This shouldn't even be up for debate. People are not cattle, they must have freedom of choice - everywhere, not only the US. All of this is especially critical when we have new studies and reports coming in questioning the 3-4 week delay between the first two shots that can lead to myocarditis and questioning the regulatory practices of the FDA and Pfizer. I really want to live in a world where your government is your friend who cares about you, but unfortunately that is just a fantasy. Much love and respect from Ukraine.
Lost a ton of respect for Sam, here
I had my suspicions about his views but I never expected Sam to air them out loud so recklessly
On contrary, gained a lot of respect for Sam here. Too bad he's pro censorship, though. But at least he's sharp enough to see through the covid hysteria.
@@serjherman Yeah, "Hysteria" is the thing that almost killed me 3 f'ing times. Not covid. How could I have been so blind??!!!
Dude, grow a conscience.
I always suspected that he and some of the other guys might have some weird views, but him spouting that completely infantile "I got Covid and I was fine so it's not a big deal" bullshit had my jaw on the floor. Just completely brain dead logic.
I appreciate your take on this, Jake. I won't fast forward the next promo.
Jake's takes are the absolute worst. Understanding why someone is wrong, is easy. Having to explain it to them is the worst.
I would be very careful about saying covid doesn't matter anymore. There are still around 1000 people per day who would strongly disagree with your flippant attitude saying it doesn't matter. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of families of the dead, myself included. Just because it didn't impact you, your attitude toward it is extremely selfish. I also have family that got covid and were completely fine, but then I have family members in a grave because of it. So spare me your blase attitude about how doesn't matter. Digging a hole isn't the only way, it's called do what almost every doctor says and not what Joe friggin Rogan says. I mean c'mon, use your brain and have some empathy. I'm huge fans of you guys but these conversations have been eye opening about who I thought you guys were.
That's what their opinion was always going to be because it's the terminal liberal consensus to be unconcerned with the state of the world. It's a luxury to not think about these things, to ignore them, and it's not a luxury that everyone can learn to discard, or that some people even know they have. We're all just products of circumstance and they just happened to have the default opinion. Pity it, but don't resent them too hard for it.
@@EriGon5 who said anything about politics and pushing agenda? You did. Spare me your political BS. You call me incompetent for pointing out that me and others like me have buried family members? All for what, money? I've buried family members, but none of my family members have lost a business. I still go to work every day. You should be ashamed of yourself and actually read what people say, and not just be so excited to jump out with your dissertation about the economy. I'd give up all of my money, and yours, to have my family members back. So again, spare me your nonsense "stats". Multiple family members of mine are just that now, "stats" of the millions dead of covid. Don't bother replying with more ignorance.
I love how people want to reply with messages about the economy and my supposed political opinion. I said nothing of politics, yet people comment about how I'm "pushing an agenda". The ignorance is stunning. I write a message about family members who are dead of covid, healthy family members dead now. Yet I'm pushing an agenda. My message said to have some empathy, and I get a reply about the economy. Seriously, F off with your economic woes. I'd give up anything, including your sacred economic river of tears, to have my family back. F off!
@@EriGon5 I love how people want to reply with messages about the economy and my supposed political opinion. I said nothing of politics, yet people comment about how I'm "pushing an agenda". The ignorance is stunning. I write a message about family members who are dead of covid, healthy family members dead now. Yet I'm pushing an agenda. My message said to have some empathy, and I get a reply about the economy. Seriously, F off with your economic woes. I'd give up anything, including your sacred economic river of tears, to have my family back. F off!
I agree. Also, it's absolutely stupid to say "does misinformation even matter anymore" concerning covid -- for sure as hell it does. A show with 10+ million listeners per episode should not be able to spread misinformation, even at this stage in the pandemic. Sure, things are getting better -- but just because your family came off fine doesn't mean that misinformation that's being a driving force behind a pandemic is suddenly tolerated, your anecdotes are useless compared to real data. So if Joe Rogan is getting people not to take a vaccine for unfactual reasons, which is a large concern if a new wave were to happen next winter, it just has to be marked as misinformation no doubt about it.
In an echo chamber of social media - the truth does not always bubble to the top. Which is exactly what the algorithm is about. Just feeding you things you seem to enjoy.
5:10 my issue is on multiple occasions , when joe rogan is confronted with scientific, statistically proven truths to do with how viruses spread and the effects vaccines have, he has almost always been skeptical and question the source...something he almost never does for the opposite side, he is inconsistent and obviously has an agenda no matter how much he repeats the phrase "i am just trying to have a conversation"
Thanks for these podcasts guys. They’re literally my drive to work every morning 🙏
hey ive seen a lot of your vids, keep up the good work!
Where is your 3D printing podcast??!!
@@MaximusTheChosenOne do…do you want that to be a thing? Lol
@@FranklyBuilt keep up the great 3d printing videos!
This was pretty disappointing to hear.
I was in and out of the hospital multiple times from c*vid trying to kill me. I still am only partially recovered and will likely never be the same. I love you guys, but...
no thumbs up for this one :(
Hey guys! I think, personally, this whole concept of allowing all topics to be discussed (which I agree with) hinges on one very important aspect. Critical thinking skills of the general populace. Schools need more funding and kids need to learn more important skills than how to be a worker drone.
Currently most Americans are taught how to follow directions and not question what they are told and in that exact situation having people on social media spreading misinformation on a large scale is incredibly dangerous.
So yes, free speech is very important, but so is education, and since our society views proper education as something to lock behind redlined school districts and price gated institutions, lower class Americans will have a harder time distinguishing fact from fiction.
It goes back to a systemic issue that results in this misinformation vs free speech conversation being a symptom. We have to focus on the bigger picture here.
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@@rushiyoshi7691 I'm sorry, I don't know what that means...
I think our larger problem is less about how much critical thinking people have ingrained into them and more the fact that our culture pushes that you can impose your will onto reality to such a tremendous extent, so we have this cultural myth and narrative of hyper-individualism, and bootstrapping yourself into whoever you are, full formed, and ultimate personal responsibility. It's kind of no wonder that people will beat reality into whatever shape they want it to be with rhetorical power, with their own power of belief and faith, when they've bought into the idea that they world is what they make it, rather than simply being what it is.
@@234fddesa these two things are not mutually exclusive and seem to be intertwined to the degree they could be akin to the chicken and the egg.
Are they deluded/illogical because they are out of touch with realty or are they out of touch with reality because they are deluded/illogical.
@@soulance8342 I mean, are they out of touch because they're out of touch, or are they deluded because they're deluded? I think that we can probably combat our cultural existential crisis with schooling to a large degree, though I really wonder how you might federally mandate such a "critical thinking" program and such a thing would inevitably get politicized. At a local level it certainly seems more achievable, though you have more issues with how school funding works based on property tax and school district policy decisions. My point here is that our delusion is more of an epistemic thing than we like to realize, encompassed in all aspects of our cultural heritage, and to root it out is no small feat, especially when we've exported it to other countries to varying degrees of success and to varying effects. I would like to say that rooting out such a cultural thing requires cultural solutions, but I don't realistically know an achievable solution, especially "in what terms" or "with what". Maybe this is the role of art and media? Maybe it's the role of school? Maybe this is the role of various forms of social engineering? Ultimately, it's all of these and more, it's a social responsibility that falls upon all of us to find and implement a solution to the problems plaguing our inherited western framework. The solution to a lack of social fabric almost requires a social fabric.
Needless to say, I'm not hopeful of our chances, or that at this point, if we find a solution, it will be in time.
Sam saying COVID is overrated because he and his family had only mild symptoms seems far-fetched and short-sighted, since sience and the statistics speak against him in this case. I like most of your videos and truly enjoy your content, especially the corridor crew stuff, but felt I needed to speak out here. This won't take away from all the stuff I enjoyed from you guys for now, (separating art from the artist here) since I feel from everything you get to see from your work as a viewer, it seems you still respect an follow all the health guidelines and so on.
Just wanted to let you know and would be curious if he has changed his stance on this topic.
I get that some of the more extreme points of view can seem to blow COVID out of proportion (since extreme POVs seem always to be the loudest), but the main consensus of science should be common sense, right? And I obviously get that not all of the measures that were taken in place to fight COVID might not have been the smartest in retrospect, but that doesn't take away from the real danger the virus carries.
Nevertheless, I've been a loyal viewer since the time you were still bunking with Freddie, and I don't have to agree on everything you do or think (i.e. not a big fan of the heavy gun and weapon use in some of your videos), so I can still enjoy your content, creativity and passion for your art. So keep it up and keep up the open discussions.
This was great. Cant wait to watch ShifT
The issue with "my personal experience of covid was nothing" is insulting to the families of almost 1 million people who have died from it...
Are you saying that having the experience of being asymptomatic is offensive?
@@braydenbro9247 No. He is generalizing the virus saying it's not serious. When almost 1m Americans have died from covid at this point. The people affected by that would say it is serious.
@@Johnny-Joseph not an apples to apples comparison at all
@PartNinja And I'd say it isn't. Flu was worse for me; my entire family had it, and we were all asymptomatic, except my mother had a fever for two days.
@@braydenbro9247 I'm not denying YOUR experience. But you can't generalize something based on your anecdotal experience. Almost 1 mil Americans had a much worse experience.
And really the point goes back to this. Sure you're not scared, and you haven't had an issue. But you can pass covid to someone who can have a much worse reaction (death) if you aren't taking precautions to stop the spread yourself. That's why the line of thinking presented here isn't good.
Sam’s comments re: masks are so short-sighted. I understand the frustration and Covid-fatigue, but really? I appreciate the open discussions though. Love the podcasts, it’s some of my favorite content that you guys produce. Keep it up.
So you guys voted Nico out from the last podcast huh? haha Honestly last show was excellent, loving it.
That description of SHIFT was fricking hilarious😂😂😂
Would love to see an actual trailer like that in the Corridor Digital channel
One of the biggest issues on social media platforms is moderation vs. censorship, is moderation censorship? To some it clearly is. Someone posts a hateful or inciting message and it gets deleted, people think their rights have been violated. Which isn't the case on a private platform. In some countries it's also literally a crime to incite hate or violence.
*This is one of the footnotes that Nick wanted. Nick, I hope you enjoy this footnote!
I enjoyed the footnote bozzman😘 sorry I haven't caught a stream in a while
You can tell when someone’s never been alone when they shit on the shape of water.
So if you equate witch burning with mis-information, would you be okay if there was a Bro Jogan who would bring witch burn advocates on to his show causing millions of impressionable listeners to warm to the idea of witch burning? (witch burners... the incels of the Early Modern period!) In an ideal world everyone would have the intellectual capacity to dismiss these ideas, but we don't live in that world and imho free speech is something that should be curtailed if it jeopardises public health or public safety (we should've done it when "big oil" was spending millions on climate change mis-information.) And I'm aware that it's a thin ice topic, because what will stop an authoritarian regime to use it as a precedent to squelch criticism? I don't know, never said this was an easy topic :)
That's ironic considering the mainstream narrative to COVID has been the equivalent to the hysteria that was experienced in the Witch Burnings.
Fear and anxiety is the reason people fall into delusions and ruin their societies, and COVID is just another example of that.
Having "mIsiNForMaTion" like Joe Rogan telling people to take a more rational and calm approach to the topic is what will prevent/reduce calamity.
@@KanyeT1306 Tell that to the nearly 6 million people that died from this virus. What I find ironic is that Rogan's been saying: "if you're in good shape you've got nothing to fear." But as soon as he got it he threw ''the kitchen sink'' at it (i.e. tens of thousands of dollars on experimental drugs that's not affordable by most of his audience, instead of just taking a tested, working, free vaccine.)
Now I can agree that the COVID response and mandates neglected the mental well being of young people and perhaps a less uniform approach could've been better. But hindsight is 20-20.
I would think the podcast could have them on, and debate with them. You can have people on your show and make it very clear you do NOT agree with them. Allowing speech doesn't imply endorsement.
@@squishrabbit Yeah, but when it's hate speech or denial that can have deadly consequences you better have someone with the intellectual capacity to put some fire to their shins... Joe is not that guy.
And then there's the problem of false equivalency, something the BBC did for years with climate change; they would put on a climate scientist against a denier under the guise of being "fair & balanced", whilst in reality it would have to be 99 climate scientists against 1 denier.
So whatever came of Nick's movie? Did it come out? Whats it called?
On a serious note, why don't you guys make your own off brand Oscars with the categories that you best see fit, like stunts or saddest looking actor?
That could be a dope yearly event on the crew channel
I'm guessing you all don't exactly mean exactly what you were saying about covid this episode, but a lot of the takes are very very wrong.
By far the biggest problem with covid right now is that people are not getting vaccinated against Covid. In the US only around 65% of people are fully vaccinated, and only around 40/45% are fully vaccinated and boostered. That means that 35% of people are straight up fully at risk of getting covid and having to go to the hospital, and even more than that are at risk of having a bad reaction to Omicron. The first important point to make here is that there is still a very large portion of people who remain unvaccinated and they are at risk of having a bad reaction. I don't think anyone here said anything to contradict this, but I just wanted to make sure this was stated.
Also, it is important to note that natural immunity is nowhere near a replacement for getting vaccinated. I know that, again, noone said this on the podcast, but I just wanted to make this clear. Here's info on that if you are curious:
www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-natural-immunity-what-you-need-to-know
Anyway, uh, I don't know if Sam is just memeing when he says he refuses to wear a mask when asked, but I think that is just a part of a main thing expressed in the podcast that seemed either very wrong or very misleading. It seems like you are saying that the pandemic is here and we can't really do anything about it anymore once you get vaccinated unless we just shut ourselves in forever. I understand the sentiment, but that is very misleading. If everyone was fully vaccinated I would actually pretty much agree with you there, but as I stated above that is just not true. While for us vaccinated and boostered folk it is true that it doesn't even matter much whether we get the virus now, the unvaccinated are simply ruining it for everyone.
Now, the main argument you probably think of here is that who cares what happens to those dumb enough to refuse the vaccine it's their choice, but it's not that simple. When those people end up getting the virus and getting super sick they end up in the hospital. And when that happens a lot we suddenly get the problems we are having now where hospitals are full and they can no longer treat everyone. That means that if your grandfather suddenly has a medical emergency he may not be able to get the treatment he needs at the hospital closest to him, which very well could lead to his death. This means that during times when hospitals start getting full like right now it is still very important to follow CDC guidelines like wearing a mask even though you yourself are not really at risk of getting super sick.
I get being tired of the pandemic, but it is very important to keep following your local guidelines.
Lastly, about Joe Rogan. It's easy to find shit takes on him where people criticize him for almost nothing, but just because those takes exist doesn't mean there arn't serious problems with his podcast. The main one which you didnt bring up at all here is that he lets people come on his podcast and just straight up say factually incorrect things about covid. If he let them express their opinions but called them out whenever they say something blatantly false that would be one thing, but there are lots of times where he just doesnt do that. This means that he is not only spreading misinformed opinions, he is also spreading blatantly untrue things. And the spread of these false facts is a lot more harmful that the spread of just some dumb opinion.
Also, while he doesn't have as many horrible takes like the media likes to say he does, he does have some stupid takes like when he said and continues to believe and say that he doesnt think young people with no immune system problems need to be vaccinated. I get that you don't want to censure someone for just having a dumb opinion, but it is worth noting that he does believe some stupid stuff and continues to believe it even when confronted about it by scientists and the general scientific community.
We also have to consider the people that can't get vaccinated for one reason or another, like people with really terrible immune systems. I'd also criticize the "just let the unvaccinated die because they're stupid" mentality for it's callousness, on top of it's failure to consider hospital stressing, as you've pointed out.
My fear is that this truly has become endemic, not because of the virus' spreading itself, which remains relatively unchanged, but the fact that media cycles have moved on, and americans are tired of being terribly inconvenienced with wearing a normal facial covering for about a year, on top of not being able to go to concerts, oh, how horrifying. American's distaste for mild civic responsibility when accompanied by their rhetoric about hyperindividual personal responsibility and bootstraps never seeks to confound and amuse. This, combined with price gouging and in some cases a blatant refusal to sell vaccines to countries with worse off economies or lower standards of living that both serve as repopulating grounds for these viruses and will suffer the ill effects of, even if a truly mild disease, much more than "first world countries".
I think my main criticism of Joe Rogan is that the worst part of his podcast is him. He has on interesting people all the time but he's such an unapologetic meathead and just easily consumes anyone's opinion with little to no pushback unless they're directly contradicting his barely formed libertarian worldview, and even then, it's basically five minutes of conversation. He occasionally eggs a guest on with a question or two, but then it's back to bodybuilding gorillas and DMT and jiu jitsu being a high stakes chess game. Even as a chameleon he's a failure of a host. His success is more due to his being in the right place at the right time rather than any particular skill at interviews beyond the normal questions that someone might have. He has these fundamental problems, and there's little chance to change them, because they all stem from who he is as a person, rather than his skill in his craft. I think there's almost anyone else who given the same position would probably be a better host. Kevin james, even.
Agreed. I had to stop watching a few minutes in. It felt like I was watching Joe Rogan. Covid kept me in and out of the hospital for over a year. It almost got me a few times. I still have symptoms. That's my experience and it continues still (last hospital stay was 2nd week of December.)
>but a lot of the takes are very very wrong.
You couldn't be more wrong on a number of topics mate. Your comment looks like it was taken straight out of April of 2020.
The vaccine will not end this pandemic. It does not reduce transmission, and it barely reduces severe outcomes/deaths across all age groups. Getting more people vaccinated will accomplish nothing.
The majority of the 35% are people who are not at risk anyway (healthy young people), or who have already had COVID.
Yes, natural immunity is significantly stronger than the vaccine will ever be, several studies have shown that already.
Hospitals being overrun is a completely irrelevant concern. Hospitals are overrun regularly, they are designed to be overrun and operate all full capacity - it doesn't justify putting life on pause to keep them empty.
Your ignorance is why people continue to suffer under these restrictions, and it is not fair on them.
@@KanyeT1306 It barely reduces death? Dude you are a fool.
@@KanyeT1306 Wrong. Also, half of what you said doesn't even make sense. Just bumper sticker parroting of things you've heard said that aren't true. It's bizarre
"Shift is a triumph of blue-collar melancholy"
- Empire Magazine
"Tom Cruise wears loose-fitting oil-stained dungarees"
- The Hollywood Reporter
I love when you guys talk about this stuff! It's just fun hearing a take from people I would consider "normal" compared to big time actors and political pages.
If during the buildup to the Iraq war you said Sadam didn't have WMDs, while you would be factually correct, that would have been considered blatant misinformation. What we accept as true constantly changes. Also social media companies have their own biases and financial incentives, so giving them the power to decide what is true is a massive can of worms.
After years of social media training us to make quick judgements, pick sides, sum up complex discussions into one line comments and let everyone know when we feel offended, it makes sense that we have mostly lost our ability of have free and open discussions about controversial topics. Constructive discussions need people to not only voice their opinions, but listen to others and know that if we hear new information we are allowed to change what we think. We also don't have to have the answers, we don't have to pick a side, its ok to talk about a topic and leave it as "that was interesting and I still have no idea what I think about that."
We are in the middle of the largest revolution of communication that has ever happened, no wonder we are bad at it!
This was a good podcast. Much less talking over each other.... 👍
Make Unreal engine movie for Shift. Very bold. Use the Tom Cruise impersonator with deepfake. You will create buzz about your studio.
I loved Spider man too, but it should not be nominated for anything other than VFX, I'm sorry.
I was extremely suprised and dissapointed to see "The French Dispatch", had no love shown to it this year at the Oscar's.
Looking forward to seeing SHIFT on the greenlight queue.
During the outro, I could vividly see the trailer for The Mechanic staring anorexic Tom Cruise. He appeared to me doing a burnout in his favorite old mustang somewhere in dusty west Texas
Can't have part 2 without Nikko there, to make farting noises in the mic 😅
15:15 If anyone is interested Frontline has done a few documentaries that cover this topic. Mainly United States of Conspiracy, and in regards to general distrust, America after 9/11.
Definitely a thorny issue, love to hear you guys speak with nuance
Also, “I dont want to watch a movie about a loser 😆”
9/11 put conspiracy theories and mistrust of the government on another more serious level. Alex Jones thrived on all of it.
I love Alex jones
@@CruelQuertos he loves you too buddy
911 was very sketchy though.
is anyone else having issues with the corridor website? it says i need to subscribe when i am already subscribed and have an active membership.
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Tolerance is paradoxical in that it can't tolerate the intolerant. The same applies to free speech, which translates as: canvassing alternative treatments is vastly different from spreading false information, and social media networks are (actively) furthering such trends.
i think it's more complex than that, in that intolerance is developed from intolerance, but a truly "tolerant" perspective is intolerant to nothing. we just like the idea of being tolerant, but when we encounter those with differing or opposing opinions, we make exceptions and explanations as to why it's ok. nothing wrong with that, we should just call it what it is instead of pretending we can despise the ignorant without being ignorant ourselves.
and to clarify, there is a definite difference between the ideologically intolerant and the violently intolerant. those who would incite or act in violence are simply a public safety hazard, and should be dealt with as such
Every time something is about to be revealed a pandemic happens 🤔
Jake reinvents the Gundam premise
Hey, love your podcasts, been waiting for this one!
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I think no way home doesn’t deserve an academy award. Because it relies heavily on the whole MCU and other movies, which other normal movies don’t.
I hope you guys know what you are talking about because I know nothing about history and believe everything you said . Lol
Guys AI !!!!
You guys should make a gag trailer for "The Mechanic" Indy film just as you described at the end
This was amazing, I would love to see you guys hold your own Oscars with your own categories. Also a short on the Corridor channel of Shift featuring a deepfake Tom Cruise would be hilarious.
You guys should make and release Shift on the corridor app and deep fake tom cruise over Dean.
I think you should do an entire podcast on "the social dilemma." I think it is important to factor in how social media is warping our perceptions of reality and truth.
Have the entire sit down and watch it, and then come together the next day and talk about it.
Lol the whole second moon SciFi example. You could have used Puerto Rico as an example.
I'm loving the podcasts guys, I don't know why it took so long to start watching them.
Peaceful transition from monarchy to parliament? No not at all lmao
Sooooo much death. This is the only Asterix I'm adding cause no way was it near peaceful
* Asterisk. Asterix is a cartoon character from France
Why do I feel like Jake is the voice of reason in all these videos
If Sam an Jake think No way home is a better film with better writing then Manchester by the sea. It truly shows how much they lack in directing, writing, an filming. Manchester by the sea is a far better film then No way home. Period period period
We need Jorden back on this topic
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The antibody treatment is free , had it myself with no cost to me , and it worked great, felt better in 2 days
Your movie opinions were wretched enough that I feel compelled to leave a dislike. I am leaving this comment so others can see. Manchester By The Sea and Nomadland are fantastic I don't care what you say. That's not to say I don't agree with some of your points.
Yeah that whole section of the podcast was a downer for me personally. I highly respect their opinions and approach to VFX and the tons of videos they've done on the subject but their take on indie and non-conventional, character driven films is very bad and uninformed.
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Let's have some clarity, Rogan never *used* that word. Not in any instance in that "supercut" was Rogan ever making reference to anything BUT that word - no person, living or dead, nor any group, race, ethnicity or identity. The supercut was an out of context hit piece. Ironic that the authors of the hit piece use their free speech in an effort to censor the free speech of others.
Why is it okay to publish a supercut of that word? The person who posted the video should be cancelled by the same logic
I believe Alex Jones was the author
Based take. Thank you Jake 😊
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I remember doing this when I was 13
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I love that they aren’t scared to give their full 100% honest opinions on controversial topics regardless of possible/likely backlash they’ll receive. Especially Sams take on Covid in the intro. Makes me respect the hell out of you guys 10 fold and couldn’t agree with him more. Please never give in to any of the bullshit noise. The minority tend to be the loudest voices anyways so know we got your guys’ back even if I don’t agree with your take I’ll support no matter what!
I shared all my opinions on the topic in the previous podcast, but I will add this.
Just think how incorrect the mainstream narrative has been so far. They said the vaccine would stop transmission, turns out that was wrong. They said COVID couldn't have come from a lab, turns out they were wrong. They said the vaccine was safe and effective, turns out that was wrong (although there is some benefit if you are at risk, not nearly as effective as they were suggesting). They said you can spread it while asymptomatic, turns out that was wrong. They said that surface transmission was a thing, turns out that was wrong. They said masks would work (against decades of established medical research on the topic), turns out that was wrong. They said we should lockdown, against all established medical advice, and from that latest John Hopkin's study it turns out it did absolutely nothing, yet caused so much collateral damage that we will be feeling for decades to come.
That's not even getting into all the times they've been wrong throughout history. Remember when doctors advocated for smoking, saying it was healthy for you? Are eggs good or bad for your cholesterol? They've been flip-flopping on that one for decades. Just look at how much of a mess they made out of the HIV/AIDS epidemic in the 80s.
Then consider the times the government/mainstream narrative has specifically hurt people. MK Ultra, the Tuskegee Syphilis study, etc.
At this point, you have to be insane to suggest that we shouldn't be allowed to discuss these topics on social media. Look at how much mis- or disinformation the government and public health officials have put out over the past two years. How many lives could have been saved if people were allowed to poke holes in the mainstream narrative sooner rather than later? How many people have died because they chose to omit crucial and obvious information, like "obesity is a severe comorbidity, we recommend losing weight"? How many people died by taking government advice and weakening their immune systems, like staying indoors all day?
After all of this, if you are still on board with censoring misinformation, at least start with the government and then we'll talk.
I feel your pain Sam
7:20 same here Sam. You’re not alone, people have been done with this since late 2020. Eventually everyone reaches the point of not caring. Sorry folks, but it’s true.
Why dont you ask this site, it blocks people everyday.
Sam's on the brink of waking up, however, he's argument that you can't criticise vaccine mandates, can't ask questions about vaccine efficacy, and at the same time treat yourself with what used to be widely available (even though a bit expensive) medicine, is void. Besides, Rogan _did_ say that he's for vaccinating vulnerable people but against forced mandates and mask regimes - especially for children. This shouldn't even be up for debate.
People are not cattle, they must have freedom of choice - everywhere, not only the US. All of this is especially critical when we have new studies and reports coming in questioning the 3-4 week delay between the first two shots that can lead to myocarditis and questioning the regulatory practices of the FDA and Pfizer. I really want to live in a world where your government is your friend who cares about you, but unfortunately that is just a fantasy.
Much love and respect from Ukraine.
im really glad i found this podcast about joe rogans podcast