Implications and Impacts of the Hollywood Union Strikes | CorridorCast EP
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The Crew sits down to discuss our recent video surrounding the questions, can VFX replace actors, the Strike in Hollywood, and our unique perspective on it all as VFX Artists.
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dude... Gack... I'm in tears. 😂🤣😂
Just wanted to mention that the channel CinemaRules mentioned the vfx artists react and the corridor crew name a few times in some of their recent videos, you guys are encouraging other channels to up their game and its just so amazing, cant wait till next ep you guys make work so easy
Thanks Corridor, it's so important to have a channel like yourselves having this conversation, we'll be passing some thought times in the future with the rapid change of technology, and us as workers need to understand we should be fighting for it
@38:25 Sams comment about AI replacing workers at call centers was a huge "Woah" moment for me. Google says "There are 470,766 people employed in the Telemarketing & Call Centers industry in the US as of 2023" That's a lot of people who might be looking for work soon...
Arent most "people" in call centers bots already? Most random numbers i got called by in recent years and were from call centers were clearly bots, or pre recorded messages. This isnt a new thing? It was already happening more or less in recent 2 years at least
In regard to principle actors. Sure the Will Smiths, Brad Pitts, etc will have it in their contracts etc. But the question I think is more relevant will be for the next gen of stars. Will they have the opportunity to gain enough power to have those sort of contracts. We could have situations young actors sell off their likeness for peanuts and then studios own that digital likeness and Mo-cap actors or animators puppet the 3D model without paying the actor 20 million.
You're assuming there is a next gen of 'stars'. That's not clear
We haven't seen a new 'movie star' in at least a decade, if not more
the day to get hooked on CCPoscast lol ... great one, guys ;')
There is a video from a NY gotcha operator who created the homie and had the entire collection to view. Well worth a watch.
we need a whole episode on Homies.
Gack and Gill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water
Thanks guys!! 👍👍👍👍
Still watching, but the issue is less for huge actors and more of an issue for actors who aren't at that level. These actors make a pretty small income comparitively and by introducing a lot of these seemingly small transitions to AI and not compensating them per use of there essence. I think there is a pretty big moral and ethics push to keep physical actors for a majority of filming, because it's art, arts not always practical or efficient and it shouldn't have to be. These tools can be fantastic, but they are just that, tools. And shouldn't be treated like the end game.
Regardless Ai is such a small part of this issue and the people getting mad at VFX artist is a huge miss. The corporations that run these companies are the issues. All I gotta say is actors and writers should be able to make a comfortable living doing these things, and I feel the same way about "unskilled" labor, like fastfood workers or retail. I work as an accountant now but before hand fastfood and fine dining was some of the hardest work I've ever done and I used to rebuild engines and do a lot of manual labor.
People deserve to live comfortable.
they'll be replaced like orcs in LOTRs....
Why is that wrong ?
@14:10 Sam says exactly what I've been trying to articulate in a lot of conversations about this topic.
The follow up from Jake is where the problem lies though: The people did not shoot the scene in question and can be used for other scenes later, without getting paid. Jordan talked about how she was paid next to nothing for a lot of these shots anyways and how you in instances could pretty much lose money from going to these shoots. So you get paid a pittance and they try to use that for all forseeable future as well.
We aren't talking about getting paid more for things they have already done, but their image being used for profit afterwards.
Gack, Geoff, Gene, Gohn / Gean / Gawn.
another fun episode.
Dude idk why but this reminded me how people still go watch Elvis / Michael Jackson shows from impersonators and that's the only thing I can think of where bringing back a late actor/actress would be something people watch. Even then it feels weird but it's the closest thing I can think of people caring about
Have you guys peeped Animal World yet? It's directed by Yan Han, and it's even got Michael Douglas, but I'm just curious to see what you think of the VFX, especially the opening train scene!!!!! Slackin....
Coming from a country where most digital 3D company/studio are working as outsources, no the income is not double the standard paycheck of said country. It's actually somewhat on the line of below average even after the conversion. Why do you think first party studio throw bulk of their work to outsource? It's literally 5-6 times cheaper than an average US employee, in a sense for them its quite literally free labor. Sure we get a decent paycheck, but for them its nothing.
24:46 I think he meant "snuff" film lol
It's not largre crowd replacement with CG that SAG is worried about, it's replacing background extras that could close off an extremely important avenue for new actors to join the profession. Framing it as "SAG wants crowds the size of Helms deep to be populated only by their members" is disingenuous and makes light of their worries.
I would watch a 25 minute React video on The Flash
I think the problem is not A.I. in itself but corporations wanting to depend on it to make more money and spend less. We are all aware that this is not real "A.I.", the problem is, corporations don't care about that, they want to make profit with out hiring people.
We see already that corporations don't care if they push VFX and others to deliver something ahead of time, like unfinished games or not well animated movies, if they can make a buck even if its not properly done, they are happy with that.
With that kind of mind set is not like "ok my career is gone because of this" but you can't turn around to go somewhere else because "A.I." will be taking other jobs, so we are at a point where there won't be jobs to run to anymore because corporations will want to save money if A.I. can do it, so the question is what happens when there's no other jobs but the ones that require years of college degree?
And what happens when you finally spent 3 years for a new degree just for corporations to put "A.I." to take over that job?
Remember its started with basic jobs like assembly for cars and other stuff, now its with VFX and art, eventually is going to get medical jobs, engineering jobs, law jobs, military, so where do we run to get a job and survive? This "self-learning" machine is learning faster than we can adapt sadly.
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Didn't Linus (Linus Tech Tips) buy a ton of PC parts from Wish and tried to build a gaming rig with only stuff he bought from wish to build the cheapest gaming PC. I think he had to go outside wish for some of it but I'm pretty sure he eventually built a Wish pc hah
Man they have zero solidarity with the strikers . Basically saying they don’t understand it 😂
Spacey was exonorated of all charges.
I don't think the anger is towards the VFX artists but rather the corporations that make the decisions to rely more heavily on using VFX to replace background actors and using their likenesses without consent having been given. How many of the actors that you love to watch that had to get their start in background work so they could try and finally break into the industry? IDK I think this conversation was missing the bigger problems of greedy corporations who will do everything they can to avoid paying people because they want to hold on tightly to their billions
Just watched Collateral the other day for the first time. The opening scene has Jason Statham in an airport bump into Tom Cruise and say 1 line. I thought that the movie was going to be about him. Nope, he's not in the movie at all after that, since this was before his big breaks into being an A list actor. Imagine taking his likeness from that one off scene.
@@Matkatamibaexactly. And another thing I just thought of: what if these studios who own your likeness decided to sue if you appeared in a movie with a completely different studio? Would there be something in place to stop that from happening? Because I doubt there is.
@@MatkatamibaTo use someone's likeness they have to have that person actually sit down and be comprehensibly scanned, this isn't something that can just be done without both parties knowing.
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So... it's not something where they can just "take his likeness from that one scene". The contract negotiation is just about setting the exact guidelines - about the amount of pay and the duration of time the studios can use that digi double 👍
When you pay for their work, that is the consent. The owner of the work product has the IP
All but 3-4 humans on a film, can be AI....not unlike orc on LOTRs.
I didn't find any insight from this podcast. These guys care more about efficiency and instant gratification than they do about people.
Technically you could just place mannequins in your shot and train the AI to direct them and reshape them into any character you want. It is already possible to get any shot of a person standing somewhere and input it as an image reference as a wizard standing in a field with a castle behind it. Eventually that image will change and come through
46:52 So thats the interesting part right? Why not?
We all need products, we all need fullfillment through meaningful work and be succesful, and we all want affordable products.
Rather than it being all about the product, you could be kind to your work force. Give them paid vacation time, paid sick days, paid maternity and paternity leave. You could offer easier work to disabled people; veterans. You could give work to the unemployed elderly or a chance to the inexperienced new comer.
You dont need to extract enormous profit - let your products be reasonably priced based on the costs - not based on what people will pay for it.
That rat race to make products usually exploits people somewhere along the line.
paid vacation only makes sense for positions that are underpaid to begin with. and I think this is a compromise most people accept because a part of them understands it in this way. If a everyone was paid a living wage for their full-time labor, then people would find unpaid vacations to be perfectly reasonable.
@@5ilver42 Why cant you have both? I get a 8% vacation bonus pay over last years salary in May.
I have 6 weeks of vacation time per year, but I get paid like I am at work.
Most Collective Labor Agreements give you such an arrangement here.
After all, your monthly living expenses continue during your vacation - and you legally must take your vacation days anyway.
This seems more reasonable to me than having to save up some weeks worth of pay for your time off, on top of your vacation savings. But I guess... whatever you are used to.
Corporations will NEVER be kinder than they have to be to their work force, I think the strikes have made that abundantly clear. The only way to achieve what you're talking about is having worker owned companies or government intervention.
@@cameronedwards751 But that is sad, isnt it? Shouldnt we expect a bit of ethical leadership from a company? The larger the company, the higher the standard it should be held against.
If that is perhaps achieved by laws, thats one options.
And of course, some countries require Collective Labor Agreements covering all companies in the industry, by which some ethical rules are extended.
For example, you could agree that that for a death in the direct family (parents, children, siblings), you could get a paid day off the funeral.
The company benefits from these agreements because it becomes a more attractive employer, if it has a good CLA. Happier employees tend to be more loyal to their companies. And healthier employees tend to be more productive.
@@HexerPsy Isn't it Jack Welsh who created the whole way capitalism is run in the US now? With profit margins for investors beign top priority and not caring about anything else. And that short term, so it destroys their long term profits...Of course, you find books from the 40s about how badly the US treated all developing countries as well, but they used to be better towards western countires and itself.
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“In a capitalist leaning society we need to come up with a problem to solve this”. I’m sure that was a mistake but I found it unintentionally funny and ironic.
39:00 - call center work and outsourcing the work isn't terrible but yes pushing them hard sucks. We just want to have normal careers with progression. It will suck if all the call center work is wiped out.
why would it suck? If automation works, great
@@seventhcompactor1505 Filipinos have little else these days to work on except online stuff even nursing, engineering, and animation is done online.
What else will the Philippines do for work? Just accept something like the openai crypto? Well what determines who gets how much?
kevin spacey got acquitted no?
So did O.J.
Tbf, some of the quality of writing these days seems on par with AI scripts.
Riot? or "social gathering". We must watch our words here.
The brutality of the animation industry or the VFX industry was supposed to be transitional to a state like the current acting industry where there are protections, unions, laws, and reasonable expectations compared to the history of brutality that got them there.
What WASNT supposed to happen after the brutality was summary execution and total annihilation of the industry. The brutality was only acceptable for the light at the end of the tunnel, not the pit at the bottom of the hole.
Didn't Kevin Spacey win both his cases.
OJ Simpson won his case too.
@45:00 I completely agree with sam here. What about everyone else? If you have Tom Cruise in a movie, he gets 100mil. If you model/animate mario for the mario movie you get a 60k salary and it could be argued that mario is more popular than tom cruise. I think vfx artists should be fairly compensated for bringing these famous IPs to life. Also Jake @48:40 thats called socialism lol
Socialism is often the answer. The reason why the US and England have the social benefits it has, is because they feared all the workers would turn communist if they didn't give a tiny bit back to the people who create the wealth.
Star Wars, Star Trek, Marvel, Dc. etc, etc, were killed by sh!tty writing. They could have been evergreen IPs. You can't replace good writing with CGI and expect to maintain a multi-decade IP. (and I won't even mention politics) Don't get me wrong, I love good CGI, but I also love a well written story.
Dude. Does Jake have a left-wing tendency.
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Fact: nobody here has already finished the video.
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45:00 That was the most ignorant thing I've ever heard Sam say. He's normally really good at contextualizing a statement before he says it or at least thinking it through. Because Spotify definitely isn't a great system for the artists 🤣
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Edit: BTW I love me some Sam. So please don't read that as vitriolic👆
The Studios need to break the unions, and just produce in other cities, with non-union labor pools.
There's nothing special about LA or 'Hollywood'. They're just lots full of production junk, and some skilled crafts folk.
They exist in other cities...or big business can entice its growth
Scripted content is in decline. Nobody cares about writers and actors going on strike with the garbage content they create. I'm sorry about the below the line employees though. However its a gig economy, so trade school, coding or a back-up plan is recommended.
Automated delivery bots/driverless transport. No-code frameworks. Or ML prompt based scripting. Your advice is uh...the worst. Probably alot like your evaluation of pop culture
Even if the content is garbage they should not treat people like this; even so great writers are affected all the same.
gig economy is just an excuse to pay people less so they are forced to get 2nd-3rd jobs because everything is too expensive and adapting to current times is even difficult with innovations going so fast that people can't keep up. Imagine when they get sick or hurt and now is even less income because they can't attend. everyone is overworked and burn-out too often nowadays. This shit has too change.
The only thing you prove here is you dont watch enough movies and shows, or just choose poorly, if you think everything created recently with actual people is "trash". Touch some grass and dont generalize like a child. Thinking like this is allowing the problem to persist, which is people not getting payed enough for their job
Maybe a lot of the badly written shows and movies are because there are more and more people who have to work mulitple jobs and that the industry isn't trying to create and cultivate talent? There are mltiple actors, comedians and writers who talk about the way it used to work and how it works now, that highlights this.
In the eyes of non woke Americans.....they couldn't care less if this drags on for years.....lot of non woke international movies out there.
So...what the frack is woke? You use the word but no one knows what you mean. Or probably cares.
Less bootlicking and more class solidarity, just because you don't like Disney or whatever, doesn't mean that working people don't deserve to get a living wage.
These unions have 160'000 members.
The corporations that make billions in profits don't want to give the people who make it possible a living wage.
Maybe you should reflect on who you are helping with this stance. Conservative workers are equally affected.
What does any definition of woke has to do with it? Are everyone that makes money from something and that doesn't ahve to have multiple jobs or that are not starving woke?