As an asian that served in the US army, I did face some racism/bullying from certain peers and superiors. It was rather uncommon, but you always had the usual d-bags once in a while. Glad to say that there were a lot more good guys that had my back.
Yeah. It’s something you don’t see very often in reporting. A lot of these reports often broad-brush all veterans as bad people. It’s nice. My husband is current army, and we agree that on the fort is where the peace and multiculturalism is at. Just outside of it, there are a lot of racist veterans and locals that don’t like people of other nationalities coming to town and bringing their businesses into these desolate places. It’s odd, because those are shops and restaurants that keep those towns afloat.
I can tell you weren't in the navy. You wouldn't have been hastled about anything race related if you had been. Sorry you had some turds in your outfit brother.
Most keep their beliefs quiet until they get out and don't have anyone to hate anymore. They get bored and only know how to be aggressive. What do you expect.
It's called "The Forgotten War" for many excellent reasons. While it's seldom taught in school,,, the overwhelming tragedy is that it was a massive boondoggle of the most significant proportion ever. To mention ONE overlook committed by our government was how ill equipt the men and women were for the brutal winter in Korea. Frostbite was expected, and many died from the extreme cold without proper boots and clothing. The war hawks and military planners failed those men in so many different ways it was so shameful they swept it under the rug in hopes it would be forgotten. It's all part of the propaganda. Years later, we were all witnesses to Nixon's secret tapes, and Henry Kissinger was heard saying, "Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used pawns in foreign policy." And yes, Kissinger said that out loud. That sick evil bastard is still alive and is still breathing ... The "High Cabal," as the Secret Team within the CIA liked to call them.
The Korean war doesn't get writers panties as wet because technically, it's still a victory. The mission is still successful to this day. The fact that South Korea still exists as a free country is pretty solid evidence of that. But Vietnam gets clicks, and sells books and scripts. It's an easy outrage machine when you bring it up. So they do.
I was born and raised in mobile Alabama. I never knew anyone in the kkk. It was never a topic in conversations. It was practically non-existent. After coming home from my time in the service. The first day home, I went to check my mailbox and had a large minella envelope with a package from my local kkk. They wanted to welcome me home and invited me to a meeting. How did they know that I returned home? My blood ran cold!
The military is a completely different culture than the civilian world. You dont feel like you fit in, and have to another hard reset on who you were, just like in basic combat training, but this time in reverse all by yourself. The military is black and white, while the civilian world is endless shades of grey. Some don't adjust well once they get out. They retreat back to the familiar, and latch onto it with both hands because it's the only way to make sense of an endlessly grey world. I'm not saying putting on the horns and trying to kidnap the governor is a good idea, far from it. But this is where a lot of those guys are coming from. They are having trouble assimilating into the mainstream. So they turn to fringe groups. This doesn't excuse bad behavior. Evil is still evil. But if we can help someone before they become lost, then we can mitigate things.
Also I think another reason why extremism seems to be more prevalent in veterans coming out of the military is simply because they're looking for that same type of structure and brotherhood that you get in the military. It's REALLY hard to find that in civilian life just in general. So, they tend to latch onto it wherever they can find it.
@@newhorizonsforfifty2833 they expect soldiers to die and not have to return, of course they don’t prepare them for civilian life afterwards They are a resource to be used until no longer useful and that’s all
As a prior service Coastie, and son of a retired Coastie, I have to chuckle at the Coastie at the beginning of this video, acting like he’s some sort of trained warrior.
No disrespect to the Coast Guard, but he was a bit to Huah for me 😂I am an Air Force Security Forces veteran, two times deployed and I don’t speak like that. I love my country and would do it all over again, but I’m not half as motivated as that guy.
I served as an infantryman in the US Army. That guy who served 2 months is totally full of it. After a month, you are basically still doing BRM, Basic Rifle Marksmanship. Maybe you have done some obstacle courses, communication training, and some basic movement training. He would not be proficient in almost anything yet. Chaptering or kicking him out probably took a couple of weeks, so that's it. After about 15 weeks, you graduate OSUT, one station unit training, you really only know the basic information you need to function as a soldier. From there, your first unit will actually spend time training you in what you need to know. If you have good NCO's, training never stops throughout your career. Eventually, you are the NCO responsible for training the next generation. In my time, I definitely had some dirtbags to deal with. You chapter them out of the military and move on to the next Joe.
@bastiat If you bothered to watch the video, one of the veteran militia members bragged about his 2 months of Army Infantry training. I was an infantryman, so no, it's not a hot take. The fact is when you arrive at Fort Benning, you go through reception, which takes about a week. Kicking him out or chaptering takes a couple of weeks. So, in his 2 months' time in the Army, nearly half that time was spent on paperwork and waiting. He would not have been very far in his training cycle at all. As for your comments on the ASVAB. Infantry actually has one of the highest average ASVAB scores in the Army. Plain and simple, you need to be smart to lead men in combat. If you are not, you will get someone hurt or killed. If you want to make dumb ASVAB jokes, you should direct your fire at parachute riggers. That's right, the people who pack your parachute have the lowest ASVAB entry requirements. Finally, about the Marines. They are a fine branch of our armed forces. The fact is that only the Army and Navy actually guarantee your job in writing. The Air Force, you fill out a wish list and hope to get the job you want. The Marines are at the needs of the Marine Corps. I wanted to be an infantryman, and only the Army would put it in writing. That's how I made my choice.
@_Red_Panda_ If you fail out Special Forces or Seals, your contract states you will serve at the needs of the Army for 18x SF or the needs of the Navy for Seals. Plain and simple, if you fail to live up to your contract, they can change it as necessary.
@@_Meng_Lan He joined the Navy “ undesignated”. Which means he is a deckhand and will go through his first couple of years observing other jobs that he could go to school(for a designated job) as an enlisted “job designated” member of the Navy. Any one in the Navy can become a Navy Seal… even a cook. He probably signed up for the Seals program in boot camp to go to B.U.D.S. And he failed out. It’s not uncommon for anyone to fail B.U.D.S. The strongest man you can think of “could” fail B.U.D.S.
@@Minot11b When I was in BCT the guys that got the boot for whatever reason, medical, failure to adapt etc. We're still there waiting to leave when we graduated. I don't know what the hold up was.
I spent 24 years in the USAF and I never saw this type of stuff ( I retired in 2016) I think the more radical stuff forms AFTER their time in the service. Frustration with civilian life, a lack of preparation to getting out, combined with a skill set that doesn't lend itself to much after the military.
I do not buy it at all. Remember the Fiasco surrounding the Kidnapping Attempt of Bachmann? A bunch of FBI agents escalating and instigating a farce. Take a good look at Patriot Front. Worst acting I have ever seen.
@@jbiehl8478 To be fair and i am not throwing shade here but the marines and the army have lower standards than the air force. It just facts. The army has so many more people that real supervision is almost impossible.
I don't know why but Air Force is immune to this. Maybe because it takes a LOT more skill. I have never served any army and am a pacifist (other than punching/boxing /mma) and I came here from Pakistan where we did have issues with extremists in the military. Same as in the US, those guys tend to be army. From what I have heard about the PAF, the bar to entry is far higher and extremists are too stupid to pass.
I spent 30 years in the US Army from draftee to Colonel. When I came out, I had a real hard time adjusting to civilian life. I am now 73 live in the country on a farm and keep to myself. That is how I adjusted, I limit my contact with others.
@@djquinn11 Well, after 2 years as an enlisted man/NCO, I took the tests to qualify for Officer Candidate School and I was selected. I went to basic airborne school while I waited for a class date. I attended in 1969-70, 6 months of hell and learning. Graduation rate was 40%, with most getting orders to Vietnam. Along the way you complete your undergraduate degree and master degree. Between deployments over seas, you complete officer advance course, Command and General Staff College, War College, and if selected foreign career schools. You also attend other schools to enhance your resume. All the while getting selected for promotion, having a marriage, raising 2 children and putting the wife through college. Easy, it was a great journey.
the way we treat our veterans probably plays a huge factor into this. The significant underfunding of resources, specifically mental health resources is horrific. As someone with PTSD, it is such an isolating disease, and they need a support system that lets them heal and gives them the love they need and deserve. I can’t even imagine having combat trauma. we can’t treat the people who fought for us this way any longer. Clarifying this because people are now saying this is me excusing domestic terrorism and racism; GIVING PEOPLE MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCES COULD PREVENT THEM FROM TURNING TO VIOLENCE AND EXTREMISM. I absolutely despise these peoples actions, but at the same time I think they deserve access to the mental health resources they desperately need. I also think about the countless homeless veterans or veterans struggling with addiction who have no access to a support system.
America has never stopped having mass shootings, remember Extermination of First Nations Started under George Washington And his Father 40years before 1776 they called Washington 'Village Destroyer." Americans are Taught to Murder by Land Owner's Sovereignty which in Federal Law makes Landowners are equal to the Sovereign, like King James. As a matter of fact Americans are like "Monkey See, Monkey Do" or Everybody else is killing their wives, in Texas murdering your wife in not a crime. (It has changed I think I remember several Woman Killers in 1950's through 1990s who Murdered Wives anf Scated Away free and Breezey. Christians are taught in the Bible that Murder of a Woman who is a Scold or a Son who won,t obey should be Murdered also, Christianity is PRO MURDERERS So as long as Bibles and Guns are Protected in America Men will Murder Women. At 74 Years old I has clocked these trends. America is The Murder Nation. Soon China with give Americans a taste of Murder - Men will weep and Beg like woman's and shall be murdered like rabid dogs. China and Russia sees Americans as Mad Rabid Dogs, Rightly.
@bastiat4855 nah u can look at statistics showing rates of homelessness, addiction, severe mental health issues, etc. for veterans in the united states. It’s a well known issue and denying it would be pretty sad
Tbh the us is pretty shady in its military operations. U r not fighting to keep ur country safe, u go and meddle in other people's business. In the military they tell u r a hero alpha male. To the public u r not
@@Pattern_seeker202 yeah but republicans keep trying to cut social services and democrats are too busy barley pretending to care about progressive issues.
I think the lack of support soldiers get AFTER their service is one significant factor why they turn to extremism. With a military budget this big, the government needs to provide a lot more for the veterans
Or maybe they didnt get "enough kills" while they were in. How many of these assholes saw action? Probably not alot. And thats why they signed up... to kill. So the failed. And choose to threaten their own country? Really Good Look.
Where's the money in that? US National Power got what they wanted from them already - you're talking about throwing money away. They're more valuable as extremists, anyway. That way they justify larger budgets for domestic surveillance and law enforcement. Cha-ching! ... not that these are _my_ values, mind you, but then, I'm not a good American.
They had a cause that they would fight and die for and then it came to an end. They need another cause, but a helpful one, no aggression involved. That aggression needs to find a healthy, helpful outlet. I don’t know what that be. Our WW2 Canadian able vets were put to work helping other vets. They were given office jobs and field work for various aspects of other vets lives. It worked pretty well. The aggression has to stop.
Dude with beard and shaved head went through a lot of bad stuff, but stopped digging deeper holes and educated himself through legitimate educational institutions ..He identified the problem and is doing some common sense things to find solutions .. I don't know if what he's doing now is that much safer than his work as a forward observer, but I thank him for his service and what he's doing now ..Please stay safe ..
@@skychristy398 oh really because I’m so scared of this snitch ass POG vet I tell ya. Btw I’m like 60 lbs heavier, I’m sure all he would be able to do is ‘report me.’ 🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻
TBF, American militias are the hugest larping groups in the world, and they probably do adopt military code and acronyms, that was just a hilariously shitty example.
What is wrong with these people? You are a u s citizen we do not Go to war with our own American people or our government. What the hell it's wrong with you people
@@dahliacheung6020 These men regardless of contradictory oath are worth 10 of most men in these comment sections ..action defines the man not youtube comments 👍
Ok let me put this out there, as a 30-year military retiree, who represent the attitudes and opinions 99% of our population, the military Vets portrayed in this video are 'our' extremists too! Please do not walk away from this video thinking our great countries Vets are a bunch of neo-Nazi or worse potential neo-Nazi's. I have met a few military folks who reflect the Vets in this video, many had these attitudes and opinions before they joined the service, they are a minority of the military population. Every NCO and Petty Officer I had the privilege of serving with, would not tolerate this behavior in their formations.
@Neil Collins thanks for your prior service. I don't believe most would walk away from watching this believing that vets are White supremacists. Rather this is meant to show that this is an issue, a cancer that the people and the government are aware of but that there is little being done. As I'm sure you know the military is often reactive rather than proactive. We are waiting for tragedy to potentially start the process of maybe doing something about it. Currently it seems the military rather have less than stellar individuals in exchange for high recruitment numbers.
@@SaintAnix. thank you for your thoughtful reply Fernando, I hope that non-Vets don't walk away with the military service- supremacists association. What I really want to avoid is what we experienced in the 80's and 90's, where military careers were considered the bottom of the barrel, as far as who's attracted to the career of arms, by the American population. When we slide down that rabbit hole the American population looks at the military with suspicion and in some cases outright contempt. I saw this with the post Vietnam guys and later after all the flag waving died down from the 1st Gulf War.
@@Ncollins99 But I'm going to put it to you like this though. If they have white supremacist members in the military. They also have African American gang members and Hispanic gang members in the military.
@@Ncollins99 what were you doing in Iraq and Afghanistan then? Ya'll killed over a million people and we supposed to brush that under the rug? We saw how your army treated the captured prisoners and all those military secrets from wikileaks and we supposed to believe there aren't racist in your military'? Get a grip buddy!!!
Living in a conservative area of the country where a few of these militas call home I can tell you that most of the "vets" that are in these groups, or hang around these groups either washed out of basic, or were dishonorably discharged not long into their service. Almost all of them will brag constantly about having been a special forces super secret assassin, or have a little modesty and just say they were in seal team six.
I knew a guy who used to come to the gas station I worked at.. was also the baby daddy of a girl I almost dated years before and knew a few friends of mine.. anyway he would stop by and we would smoke a cigarette while he bragged about his deployments.. saying he missed the "pretty pink mist" he would turn people into.. which I thought was pretty psychotic. I asked a friend who knew him and he told me he was with him first hand when he got booted out of the military during training. Apparently he got his enlistment bonus and then blew it all on hotels, liquor, etc.. didn't have enough money for gas to get back to his base. He definitely was never deployed. Not the first guy I knew who got kicked out of the military and lied about it..
Leaving the military, I felt extremely angry and abandoned. The VA helped me get over it and fall back into a normal life. Denying veterans care over extremism is the absolute worst thing to do. Instead, counseling and therapy will help ease a lot of these frustrations, while compensation and financial support will thwart the abandonment these veterans feel. But even with these tools, I've watched several of my white brothers in arms fall into right wing extremism. As a stressed out minority, I cut my ties with these folks, further contributing to the divide. I would look at phenomena like Alex Jones, Q, and Fox News rhetoric for leading this divide. We as a nation need to be more aggressive against propaganda and disinformation, treating it as war against the mind, before it turns into actual war. I don't think that anyone on either side of the aisle actually truly understands how dangerous this situation is. This documentary paints the danger as vividly almost as it truly is.
@Will Boler thank you for sharing your experience, and also what helped. Our gov absolutely should be taking care of veterans with a clear plan. Coming back to civilian life is difficult. Although I have not served, I have experienced very long periods of drawn out trauma and out in the world, and in order to settle down I really needed a great amount of support. Hard to find.
Honestly the far left are the only people appropriately worried about these guys. The activities of these groups around Jan 6 is so much worse than even the current inquiry will report on since it's all implication and they didn't action anything
The Republicans absolutely, 100% understand understand. After all, they're the ones standing in the way of getting these guys any help. Reducing radicalism runs exactly counter to their project.
yet the democrats created the kkk..... biden said your not black if you dont vote me. extremism is extremism. stop painting pro America people. what about all the minority people who voted trump?????? liberal ideology is ruining this country
@@fontainheadi just watched another documentary saying he left them and formed a new group but I can't remember the name. That's why Enrique Tarrio (aka an fbi informant)took over the proud boys 😂
My grandfather served in WW2 and Korea. I am glad he died 10 years ago because he would have been very disappointed in these young vets. To see soldiers with Nazi flags when his friends and family were dying in WW2 is just a slap in the face to those that gave their lives.
Yeah, my Grandfather travelled halfway around the world to fight Fascists and Nazis in Europe and North Africa. It took him 57 years to visit Germany again afterwards, so much was he effected by the war. He would be rolling in his grave.
Many views are tribal and passed down, learned from parents and grandparents as they saw it and lived it. Thus instilled views cultivated and pasted down from ww1 vets, ww2 vets , Vietnam,,,etc
Did you know the KKK and neo Nazis used to hate each other for this specific reason, the Vietnam war was the largest increase in white nationalism in the past century. And led to the increasing militarization of these groups
When I was in the military, my basic training buddy was a Klan member. I am puertorrican so we had a very uneasy, weird relationship. There was a point where we got along, talk about families, laughed, joked and you would think we were friends but we both it was far from it. On our lasts days he told me, you should come to Alabama to visit me, meet my family to which I replied. No. And that was that. I wonder if he still the same.
@@dollyscarz8295 funny you say that. I have never forgotten that. I still even remember his last name. I was a very young kid, very unfamiliar with the US race dynamics. He was my first encounter with one of them. Was I affraid of him? Not really, more like curious. Like a teen looking at a pissed rattlesnake. I knew he was dangerous, at least I kept getting warned about him but I had that confidence of youth Lol. Towards the end he felt like a real friend.
@@john_doe_smith Los blancos del sur son loco porque no ay mucho opurtunidades y la unidad familiar no se toma en serio como en la cultura latinoamericana y afroamericana. Son personas perdidas y con problemas
i disagree with the smart to say no. that was your chance to change him. maybe he wanted you to go so he can tell his family he will no longer be apart of that life
Are they extremists or maybe Americans that have had ENOUGH?? What has happened to our world? This is a war of good vs evil. Not of the flesh and blood
It's a strange reality to live with. One of my best friends I made at my Advanced Individual Training (AIT) had a father who was on the leanings of White Supremacists. However, we were close enough to talk about anything at anytime, and she acknowledged her upbringing, but was never prejudice, even to myself, a person of color. At our graduation, we were lined up infront for handshaking and congratulations from all the parents and friends who showed up. Some refused to shake our hands, acknowledge our existence, or our commitment to our nation. It's a hard pill to swallow, but I can live happily knowing that my classmates did not have the same ideology as their parents. I serve my country proudly, regardless having to protect people with different ideologies.
Hey my friend. I am what the so-called white supremacists would call a "true blood". I'm whiter than any of them because I live in Northern Ireland, a place where the sun never shines. I'm an Ulster-Scot like the Founding Fathers. The guy who printed the first US Constitution (Robert Dunlap) was born within walking distance of me. The man who created the textbook used by the Founding Fathers to create the Constitution (Francis Hutcheson, who coined the phrase, "unalienable rights") also lived within walking distance of where I currently live. Sorry for the long intro I just wanted you to know that even if some people in the US military don't appreciate your sacrifice, that I appreciate it and the people of the United Kingdom appreciate you, sir.
Serving alongside brothers and sisters like you, becoming friends and sharing the various experiences you did together - all of that probably plays a role in their rejection of that obsolete and senseless mindset. I hope you’re being treated very well in civilian life.
A lot of gangs like MS-13 got a lot of their initial training from the US military. Not necessarily the military's fault... maybe it is in the sense of poor regulations.
@@spicychad55 I think it is the tribal nature of human. White nationalist and MS-13 just protect what they believe is their tribe. Being a nation that is made up of many nationalities and cultures. There is bound to be tribal warfare.
@@spicychad55 That was the case with Zetas in Mexico too (ex army commandos), but I think now they're gone. Same in Brazil (hitmen being ex special police). Although we see the money reason, in the US case seems purely ideological?
In many ways, coast guard is more difficult than infantry. It is harder to get into and basic training is harder. However the difficulty is subjective based on the rating
I was in the military for 12 years until I was force to leave after severe injury. I miss the military it was the worst and best thing that ever happened to me and I’d go back if I was able. In my veteran community I’ve never seen any of them being radicalized most just have nostalgia and miss their time in service and complain about how terrible the VA is. But from this it seems they could be all around me but I’ve never been approached by them that I know of. I know lots of TBI/PTSD/Disabled guys who could be manipulated using their trauma or exploiting their vulnerabilities and the desire to be a part of something bigger and a brother/sisterhood we lost when we had to leave.
Lol hate groups, riiiggghht...... here's a fun game, let's compare the cost in damages between all the right wing groups and then to just antifa and blm.
A 25-35 yr old enlisted Marine who misses the Corp this much yet isn't serving anymore probably wasn't given the chance to reenlist. Furthermore, letting others call you "The General" when you couldn't possibly hold that rank goes against military decorum. I work in a VA hospital (and a Navy vet). One of the most common tactics I see with vets who puff up their service, and cling to their time in service to this degree, is that they're actually OTH (other than honorable) or ELS (entry-level separation aka didn't /couldn’t finish boot camp) discharges. Just my opinion tho.
Couldn’t agree more. I remember there was this old vet I knew who endlessly bragged about his time in Korea. Found out after he passed away that in 8 years of service he only made it to E-3 and was dishonorably discharged after he went AWOL.
The only people that endlessly brag about their service are people that want the honor for what little they accomplished. Thinking that their bare minimum was enough to let them ride by on life, because they lack identity and a true sense of self.
While the issue is certainly multifactorial, It appears to be a deadly combination of generational prejudice and hatred seeping out and the lack of support upon being discharged/ retiring from the military. Many crave the structure, discipline, and comradery they experienced while in the military and which is severely lacking in the civilian realm and something they find in these 'brotherhood' type extremist groups. My dad served 30 years in the Army and eventually retired two years ago. I know it was a very sad day for him as it had been a part of his life for 30 years and had been the reason for his success in life ( he was a JAG and eventually retired as an '06). The army gave our family many adventures including living overseas for many years and it was a time that while stressful (especially when my dad deployed) it was certainly something created a close bond between us. My dad ended up taking a high position in the social security administration and is currently still successful but i know many others who struggle. My dad continues to help fellow soldiers from his previous command who are retiring - giving them resume advice, education recommendations, and tips for transitioning to the civilian life. He has helped many get jobs in the government sector and other corporations and I am glad that my dad is trying to help these soldiers transition so that they have support and don't feel lost and desperate.
The Viet Nam war was the first war we were able to witness through the television. It was brought right into your living room. I remember as a kid, they would list the dead and wounded every night on the news. It was pretty scarry.
My dad was over there as an enlisted PFC in the Marine Corps in 1968. He was 20 years old. I took U.S. and Vietnam History in college. What an absolute horror show.
Weird thought isn't it, such a considerable change we didn't really notice at the time. Now we're all desensitised lol. I believe it was also the first war that they did hot drops in
@@colico14 The Viet Nam war raged through out my childhood. When most people I suppose did not understand why we were there. When I turned 17 in1972, I realized it will soon be my turn to be drafted. At this time, I understood what was going on politically, and socially. I struggled with how I felt about the war, about being drafted. Because we all knew by this time it was an absolute horror show. I wanted to be patriotic, so I did the best next thing. I protested with the best to bring home my friends, and everyone else there. The lottery was done that year, my # put me in the crowd next to be drafted. Fortunately it was decided to pull everyone out. Remember them saying it was not our war, it was merely a police action? Yea right.
It was a lot different watching those TV casualty reports from Nam, when you were looking for the names of guys you went to school with, guys you played football with; guys whose sisters you dated. It got worse when your friends came home banged up or strung out and you all had to realize that the war was all for a bunch of lies.
My brother retired Air Force and he doesn't believe the same as the young man with the hat. We could be doing way more for our military to help them assimilate back to civilian life if they need it. Thank you for all those who have served our country and us. Breaks my heart to hear that people are coming out of our military and going straight to extremism.
I got out in 82 and it was absolutely training ground for the KKK and other white supremacist extremists as well as street gang military training as well it hasn't changed doesn't sound like
Im in the Air Force and i believe in the way this man, Hammer, thinks. Hes right. Its all bullshit. We have been spoon fed this garbage propoganda and youd have to be a complete fucking moron not to see it. Even now, the Air Force has been rated "Very Weak". The US military is not the military it was back in the 2nd World War. We are under a foreign entity, we fight for a foreign entity, for its interests. We only get paid in the blood of our brothers and sisters that dont even benefit us.
Only like 1% of the population serves. Why do so many unhinged vets turn to this extremism? It is a paradox. They fought for the country, and now they want to tear it down.
This disturbs me, as I was trained to serve and protect all Americans, no matter what their religion, association, color, or creed. 2025 is a sad year in history. 😢
@@TomorrowWeLive Loyal to what? You guys attribute way too much value to your country. It's just borders. They're not even real. Here in the Netherlands we like our country but are also taught to think for ourselves. Your entire country is build and based around extremism. There is no grey opinion or nuanced explanation. Just for or against, black and white, enemy or ally. We won't even have to do anything, you guys will just kill each other. It'd be convenient if it wasn't so fucking pathetic.
Exactly. The most dangerous path that leads to Extremism is Ideology - such as Bolshevism, Marxism, Communism, Socialism, etc - Group Think, Mob Mentality.
That depends upon what you were exposed to as a child. I was a gun nut, but the geometry of the M16A1 was new to me. I turned down advanced marksmanship training, because it sounded like sniper school, to me.
Failure to adapt is a separation category for someone who has not yet finished basic training or school. What this means is that he couldn't hack it. I have a feeling that a lot of these folks would fall under this same category.
@SandyRiverBlue - I came across a female “veteran” that didnt make it through basic training because she fainted on a hot day. She gets services at the VA and is currently appealing to get service connected disability. I don’t quite understand that. Meanwhile, PTSD Joe is struggling to get his claim heard and waiting for mental health services.
This subject is scary. I just knew that a lot of Vets were going to come back wondering why we were in the Iraq war and resent it. It's hard on them watching a fellow soldier die to include women and children. I've heard them talk about it. My first boyfriend came back from Vietnam a broken man.
but it's a flawed logic to say you're obeying your oath to defend the american people when you're turning military weapons and violence on the american people who didn't send you to iraq
pain and suffering does not warrent the hate and inhumanity of being a nazi to want or even think about joining or being apart of those groups is unforgiveable
Extremism of this scale has always existed - just much more spread out and many small groups. The reason why it started rising in the 2010s is because social media was made available - where people of like mind in fringe society can find one another and group up. Now it's just in plain sight, because of how the internet is. This applies to every single fringe group out there - they've always existed in mass, now they just have a place to converse and converge together. 14:35 - 15:35 this person speaks it perfectly.
Extremism is also getting bad because democrats are trying to abolish the 2nd ammendment If they abolish the 2nd ammendment it willl start a civil war.
If that's the case, they'll continue to evolve - and if that's the case, it reveals how many people actually support these ideals and if THAT'S the case, you have to wonder how many people quietly integrate themselves into society and DON'T reveal they have these views but carry them in private to remain integrated into society unlike some of these more militant fellows. This is so far from a 'fringe' thing.
People on opposite ends of the political spectrum are able to “clash” via social media. As, for example, hard core social justice groups takes 🇺🇸 to the task for inequities… the other side takes it personal and pushes back equally, if not with more force.
My country used to have mandatory military service. As soon as that stopped, issues with extremism in the ranks skyrocketed. One of the reasons is, that now most people who join are a) extremely patriotic and b) think they're ready to use deadly force. From there the way to violent extremism is just... Shorter. Another reason is, that the more culturally diverse group of people in the military worked as an early allert system. Extremist activities were reported much quicker, when there where people of more varied political, social and ethnic backgrounds.
I'm a young vet and I can tell you why some feel angry.I am now broken and disabled at only the young age of 26.It makes me angry that my friends who I went to high school with,don't have to worry about the same disabilities I do.The VA is trash and the government could careless about their citizens.
You are SO young at 26. Your thoughts and anger are completely VALID. I HATE that the VA is trash. I want so much better for you. I can tell you that I'm 45 and life doesn't get easier. I hope you know that I VALUE AND RESPECT THE HONOR AND BRAVERY YOU GAVE. ❤️ God bless you young man or woman wherever you are. Love from South Carolina
@@squidwardo7074 honestly the only reason i joined up was because of citizenship and a personal view that i owed it to serve a country that adopted me as it’s own
I love the guy going on about the trauma of seeing your best friend bleed and die ... and it turns out he is the one who's never been in combat ........
You don't have to be in the military to have watched someone die in front of you ....that happens in the hood all the time I've seen dudes stab each other to death and have had friends die from overdoses I'm not in the military but so what I've almost lost my life by getting hit by a car I was really close but It missed me happened more than once actually
@@captaincrunch7944 You're right; let me re-phrase that: I love the guy going on about the trauma of seeing your best friend bleed and die in combat ... and it turns out he is the one who's never been in combat ........ There!
Was looking for this comment. Now I don't have to make it myself. That dude is the picture of these militia guys- Billy badass attitude, joined the military with visions of going Captain America on some bad guys but ended up behind a desk or cleaning making him feel his "potential for greatness" was wasted, get out and can't adjust to civilian life combined with these delusions of grandeur and the belief that as a white man he has a right to have everything his way and how dare they make him spend the last few years of his life calling black and brown people in higher ranks than his "sir"! Like he says himself, "it's about power," and he finds it very unfair that he doesn't have the power he wants. Every time I hear these militia guys talk, they're just so angry and full of assumptions and conspiracy theories that you can tell just serve to make them even more angry. I wish there was better sense of community in the modern western world along with better mental health care. I feel like guys like him would be much more ok if they had a fairly healthy group of friends and a good therapist.
Soldier who just graduated AIT in August here. Extremism is more prevalent in the members who have left the military. Veterans, especially those who have seen combat, enter the civilian world at the end of their contract with a lack of support and still want to feel a sense of belonging. This makes them join gangs, hate groups, etc. I think the DOD needs to evaluate how they treat their veterans entering the civilian world with more attention to help address the extremism issue. The DOD has implemented SHARP for the military, a program intended to prevent hateful rhetoric, sexual assaults, and other problems from spreading in our ranks. This has already brought a positive effect in the military's ranks to reduce the level of hate IN the military. The question now is, how will we address servicemen and servicewomen leaving the military, and ensure they will stay away from following hate in the civilian world? That's my piece at least from experience so far.
I would hope training would help. Unfortunately, soldiers come from different educations and backgrounds. While in the national guard, I deployed to Iraq with a bunch of racists who lived in rural Oregon and Idaho communities. I remember some saying, “White Power”. They were angry when DADT was being repealed, and had to attend sensitivity training. When I got back from deployment, I switched to a unit based in Portland. That unit was made up of better educated and cultured soldiers. It was a diverse and LGBT friendly unit. Ultimately, the power point presentations the military provides will not curb extremism. The military should actively involve VSO’s in military culture, that way soldiers have a positive role model.
Career vet 4 Army tours from 04-18, 2 years contracting before coming back. OCONUS stations were the best years of my military career. Due to the isolation and influence of foreign or cultural differences, Soldiers were truly a family. We broke bread together, laughed, cried, and bleed together. CONUS, specifically Texas, I experienced every bit of the individuals highlighted in this segment from high ranking officers down to the lowest enlisted. I could not believe the difference, as my first station was OCONUS for almost 6 years. I have good buddies of all races, lifelong companions that if need be, I'd ride through hell again with, but lord knows there is an extremist/racist problem within the ranks, without question.
I’m a black veteran; I wont disclose what I did in the military. I have had several brothers that are white show and tell me through my 8 years that their is race soldiers in military. Until this day they are my brothers for telling me the truth and now I understand what’s happening in the U.S.
It’s because it’s a perfect fit for an extremist. They are armed and sent to kill foreigners, they are usually not all there mentally so that seems like a dream for them. I thank you for your service tho.
We just had Remembrance Day here in Canada (November 11 every year). It was originally established to recognize our First World War Veterans (for example my grandfather, two of his brothers - one of which was killed there and is buried in France). Now all Canadian veterans are honored, including Korean War veterans. My father was a Korean War veteran. When I was in grade 8 I was chosen from all the students in my city to recite the famous poem "In Flanders Fields" by John McCrae at the city centotaph on Remembrance Day. My father was there and I know it touched his heart. I visited South Korea in 2012 and visited the War Museum. I stood by myself in the Hall of Remembrance and I remembered all the Korean War veterans and civilians. I was a bit taken aback by the relatively small Korean War section compared to the sections displaying the more ancient wars. Like those countries in the U.N. forces it was obvious to me that for South Koreans this war was still too painful to remember. I love you Dad (he passed at age 55) and Grandfather (who live to age 95!).
I totally get the whole 'is this what I've been risking my life for?' feeling when you get out of the military. You should be pissed. You're getting screwed. But how does that translate to hating black people? They're in there with you, they're getting screwed too!
Well said. But Black people have always got the Blame for weak people. They are not Extremists they are Devils that like to shoot at armless opponents. Don't wake a Sleeping Lion. History will not be repeated. Too many Good hearted people will not tolerate violence.
Most people dont hate black people they hat Liberal Ideology that promotes hating Republicans for liking America, Trans children surgerys, and taking our rights away Every time I look up theres some new law in my state
@@siuraspe4281 we're talking about white supremacists here. They definitely hate black people. And most people don't hate liberals, most people ARE liberals.
I wouldn't care for what Vice would cover about why militias in the U.S. are a growing phenomenon. I've watched this video a few times with a lot of skepticism because Vice was cofounded by Gavin McInnes who founded the ProdBois. But the story of the motivations of people who join militias would endanger any media organization that exposed the reality of the infantile belligerence that is the major force behind it.
Everyone needs a hobby. Instead of becoming a leader, say a kid's baseball team, the lovebros of the homoerotic men-together mostly failed military careers is more attractive.
@@rossclark9155 that and nothing unites people like a common enemy. Once they have something to point their finger at, everything else falls into place.
And if you come from a very prejudicial small town environment, you just default to how you were raised. Most of these guys were not "college-guys" with a remote possibilty of exposure to other people of other cultures. PATHETIC WHYTE AMERICA.
In the early days of my military career, we saw these types all the time, and everyone knew who they were. It was a lot of them then (not most, thankfully), and still is now, but they are far more discreet today. You get the occasional guy who post a little too much or says the quiet part out loud, but I doubt it will ever go away; it's too ingrained in America in general, so it's inevitable that these guys will proliferate in the service. It's scary for many of us, because too often some of them make it to really influential ranks and positions, where they can determine promotions and policy.
The town I live in, have billboards to recruit active duty Soldiers for their supremacy groups. Most prey around military installations just like the one I reside in. It is ugly. We have plenty programs in the military and yet not effective as the way it should be. We have a plethora of supremacy groups masked in the military. When I led certain programs, we had to learn lingo and pay attention to body markings which would help identify affiliation. The next part you should look at are these cult churches who prey on active duty and retired service members to leech on their benefits.
What especially struck me, back in the '70s, was how, regardless of where you were from, almost everybody who had asperations to become an NCO, adopted a southern accent. I didn't know what to make of it, but religiously avoided the Rod & Gun Club on friday and saturday nights.
There are numerous groups out there that are dangerous like ANTIFA and Black lives matter and white nationalist to name a few. Remember when BLM was rioting and burning cities and here in Atlanta BLM murdered a little black girl for being to close to their perimeter.. Having protest is American as apple pir but looting, burning and killing people like BLM and Antifa did is awful and arrest should have been made. Any group that is destructive should be against the law. I live in the south and we seem to have less problems here than anywhere in the nation yet people always want to list us as the most racist or violent.
Just a reminder that "racists sometimes use patriotism to get attract recruits" does not equal "patriotism is racist". If you want to prevent veterans from becoming racist, you can start by thanking them for their service and letting them know that you have their back, just like they had yours when they were in the line of fire overseas. If individuals and nations don't look out for their own, people will leave them and join groups that do (or at least, groups who make promises to do so), and unfortunately, some of those groups can be pretty f'd in the head. Just because something is terrible does not mean it isn't also predictable and entirely preventable.
@@blank4227 This does not surprise me. "Not buying it" that not everyone who agrees with your ideology can be painted with the same brush and/or shouldn't be communicated with is a hallmark of dogmatic thinking. Yes, the founding fathers would have all kinds of problems with modern society. Few people would debate this. The debate is over how to go about fixing it. Not just the ends, but the means. Anyway, if your goal is truly to encourage less people to be racist, rather than simply to stand in opposition to some common enemy for its own sake, you might do well to reconsider.
@@jasonblack4208why are you running away from the reality? it's not that the founding fathers would have had "many" problems, it's that they would be racist. They were racist. The country was founded by those men. "the debate is how to fix it" No, that is not in fact the debate at all. You are either with the founders and racism, or you are against the founders (and racism).
@@blank4227 "why are you running away from the reality?" I'm happy to inform you that I am, in fact...not running away from reality. "You are either with the founders and racism, or you are against the founders (and racism)." I'm with team "humans are complicated and even the best people in history had bad traits like everyone else". What? Are you going to be against your entire country out of some sense of original sins committing during its founding? Your dogma is in your head. Your country and the fallible, flesh-and-blood humans around you are not, and they are what you need to make peace with to get by in this world.
@Graf von Losinj - I Post Info The Nazis stole and desecrated the swastika, like they ruined so many things. One of the _least_ of their crimes, but a crime nonetheless.
It's kind of like the saying "you can take the kid out of the hood but you can't take the hood out of the kid." I think the same thing applies here with some of these veterans, they can't let go of their military life and they keep trying to implement it in everyday civilian life
After taking fathers out of the home, dismantling the traditional family and creating laws and policies which marginalize men. Don't be surprised when you see more of this kind of thing.
It is true that these extremist groups actively seek out and attempt to recruit people with military backgrounds and experience. They target veterans and active service members because of the combat and leadership training they receive. This is not a case of the military being full of extremists it is a case of the military being full of people with the right training extremists groups want to acquire.
Free country! And a Constitutional Rite! If they aren’t terrorists or acting on it! There is nothing legally anyone can Do!! So you can spin it all you want!
I'm not sure how my own country measures up, but I still get every impression that Veterans aren't treated with the same care and depth as they are trained.
That is exactly the stereo type of ex soldier that gets kicked out but then says he got the Medal of Honor 😂. They Make everyone’s life impossible, can’t make formations on time, always complaining about the Army, does the least to pull his weight but complains about staying to work 5 minutes pass end of day. Useless human being.
As a veteran that has lost friends in war I can understand where the disconnect is with the civilian sector. Everything is to do with Values. We are taught to do unthinkable things and then civilians protest it. Plato said it the best. Only the dead has seen the end of war.
I'm really speaking of Combat Veterans, with Combat action badges or infantry Combat badge. I know everyone who was deployed didn't see action. I for example went in 2003-2005 to Iraq. This was the wild wild west of times. So it is a select fee I speak of. You can't re-asimilate when you've seen all that I don't care who you are.
@@pooddescrewch8718 how do you figure that'll work. I don't wanna be next to someone who is forced to be there. Not only that but would you have them swear? To the constitution? Including the 13th amendment? Huge conflict all around. You minus well just keep a slave army and a volunteer army and keep em separate. It'd be a better plan than that... and you could probably make it LEGAL in some way too if they were "duly convicted."
I was an Asian in the Army in the early 2000s. There were definitely some racist mofos in bootcamp. The funny thing was most of these Southern dudes could not even explain why they were being racist, just that they were raised this way (ended up becoming a good friend with one of them) lol
Yes, although it was only the one guy from Lousiana that was racist...and sadly met a bitter end at a very young age...the other 20 or so were actually quite nice, even the one racist guy was nice to me (l was an internacional srudent from maya descent, I look latino) and they seemed to know that Mexicans are hard workers, one of them told me almost mumbling,, it was the lazy ones that they seemed to be disappointed about. Back then bl*ck basketball players had asked me to do their homework I said no, and they just seemed to be looking to have a good time, most basketball players were not good role models
Yep, that is a huge part of it. People are like that everywhere too. Stupidest thing about this country we think we are so special we even think our racism is special. Whine about it.
Im asian too. get tf over it dude. How would you feel if our asian countries were full of white dudes fuckin our women and taking over our government? aka colonization? our focus shouldnt be on reforming racism but protecting our own asian men and women.
I’m so conflicted. I recognize myself in these guys and the frustration and I also know that what failed them wasn’t minorities. It was corps buying out our gov and passive politicians that have left American citizens behind.
@@johnjohnson9756 What system would you suggest that could be immune to humanity's inherent evils? You can change a system but reality is there are some things that you just can't change. And no matter what system is in place the root cause for the current complaints with the current system will remain.
@@jamstagerable nuclear fallout, 6 billion die, the remaining 2 million farm, build, hunt, gather, and instead of paper money (which can be easily weaponised by big corporations when it comes to capitalism) we trade the things we make, and farmer gives food to a builder and the builder makes the farmer a house, everyone has a role in society, everyone is happy.
they are unfit to serve mentally and physically most of the time. they don't understand the meaning of giving your life for your country either since they are all traitors to the flag by wanting to undo the last election !
As a vet, I feel like the conversations I have in my civilian job would land me in trouble. I was surrounded for years by the fear that someone would report me or I would get a SHARP complaint. Trust me the military is ground 0 for a safe place.
@@1joshjosh1 And look how that tuned out when a cadet at RMC ran to daddy at NDHQ and complained he and his squadron got jacked up because the big mean Director of Cadets was trying to find a person that sexually harassed a female teenager of the Sea Cadet youth program and got the Director of Cadets at RMC fired. Thank you for uncovering the veil Lt. Col retd. Mark Popov
Speaking of the underground side of this problem, let us never forget the powerful efforts of Ron Stallworth, the BlackkKlansman. The first black detective in the Colorado Springs police department, who, along with a white officer only known as "Chuck" managed to infiltrate the KKK and uncover evidence of white supremacists in the military, most notably at NORAD.
Being in the Army for roughly 2 months means that he never finished Basic Military Training. He was likely kicked out for not passing the psych evaluation while in basic.
He was kicked out for failure to adapt. That just means he was a bad soldier that had an attitude and didn't work well as a team. Last person you want "training" from. Could possibly have been a physical thing not keeping up with the standard, but they usually put you through again until you pass if it's a physical issue.
@@bebrown2354 DoD Directive 5124.02... a supervisor or commanding officer may have a member evaluated at any time. depending on the year several branches have questionnaires that don't seem to be psych evals but they are intended to weed out. They are working well when they go unnoticed. To enlist and get processed out in less than 2 months some extreme issues existed. It takes two and a half months for a good soldier to complete basic military training.
To this day I remember the Murrah bombing as I was in school. Huge explosion. Teachers thought it was a sonic boom from Tinker Air Force base since it was fairly close. We soon found out otherwise. My uncle was a firefighter that was a first responder. He never spoke about it to any of us. Love ya Uncle Mitch (R.I.P).
@@neilnelson7603 He never spoke about it because of what he saw that day. He was a first responder. On the ground floor there was a daycare for the workers in the building. And almost 200 people that were killed. Explosions are not kind to the human body.
That was not the work of some rag tag extremist group. Way more to that story. If you only knew that explosive force after detonation always follows the path of least resistance, and that in this case that path was upwards, opposite of the crater made directly beneath the moving truck, and not outwards to cause anything but very minor damage to the building, none of which would have affected it's structural integrity by cutting steel support beams. Even the trial was a joke.
Military formation: stack up = a crowd of people in a small hallway Military codes : hold your ground = anyone wanting to make a stand. I get your point but come on, I'm just waiting for "fully semi automatic" to be said at this point.
I remember from meps, even over ten years ago, it was made very clear that you can not be part of any group like this. They even checked for tattoos at that time. The rise and fall of extremists is just an inevitability that comes in and out with the times and needs to be handled as it happens. Prevention just seems like a lofty goal. It's no excuse for the extreme hate that these groups show, but I think most of these veterans just like the militia aesthetic. That's probably why many of them joined the military in the first place.
This is true lol I remember 20 years ago people were freaking about street gang thugs going into the army and marines it comes and goes these idiots were never a big threat there will never be enough skin heads to make a dent on US society This is just vice sensationalizing again 😂
Growing up in that area of Michigan, I never realized just how bad the extremism was until I recently moved out. It really is a perfect place to try to hide a movement like that. 90% of it is unpaved dirt roads that very little people travel on. Even the main roads feel deserted most of the time. It’s truly hard to grasp unless you’ve been in that area for a while.
@@cyber_pirate no…I’m Canadian and I’ve been through Michigan a few times and also through many rural US spots-think Kansas, Oklahoma, cow pastures you name it…and Michigan is another realm. I’m unsure why; true in rural spots in similar spots up here too (arguably less militant but still there).
@@pinlight97 I’m aware of Canada; I’ve traveled quite a bit through Ontario being so close to the border. But I can tell you right now it is definitely a lot worse here in the states (michigan especially apparently). Sad to see my state as such a hotbed for extremism.
The National Guard is a civilian militia under command of the state governor. The Guard when "activated" for a federal mission, becomes a reserve component of the US Army.
Some states created their own State Guards. Because when the State needs them due to a natural disaster, the NG is nowhere to be seen. Most National Guard troops are from time to time posted overseas, and are not available.
Thats not how that works. The National Guard belongs to the State, period end of story. If they are activated and deployed, then the Feds need to get the States permission. At no point are they the Army 'reserve".
@@Mr.Ut21 You are totally wrong. 1st, my Grandfather was in the Michigan National Guard before WWI, they were activated and deployed into Arizona and crossed the border into Mexico under command of An US Army General Pershing. National Guard units were the first to deploy overseas to Europe as part of the U.S. Army in WWI. During declared Wars or a state of emergency. The National Guard becomes a part of the Army. In WWII, the National Guard troops were the first to be deployed along with the Reserve units. They fought in both theaters during the War. I have a cousin that was deployed overseas to Honduras while in the National Guard. This was after the Vietnam War and the draft was abolished. Florida is one of 12 states that have State Guards, which are not apart of the National Guard. State Guards answer only to their respective State Governors only. National Guard can answer to the President if the President feels he needs them. 250,000 National Guardsmen served in Iraq. National Guardsmen also served in Afghanistan. Googling showed some National Guardsmen from Kansas and Hawaii totaling 4000 were sent to fight In Vietnam.
Actually that is incorrect. The Latin term for a standing army/professional military is Volgus Militum. The national Guard is trained and funded by tax payer money and can be called on to aid the army. They are not militia. The National Guard did not exist until 1916. So who were the militia? Militia, in Latin, is referring to a voluntary civilian defense force. In the American revolution, when citizens were still British and not American yet, it was the militia units who fought against the military (red coats) of their own government. A militia is an independent force under its own leadership that is formed by Constitutional state and local governments and the People. The right to form a militia and defend themselves from a tyrannical and un-Constitutional federal government remains with the states and the People as expressed in the 2nd Amendment, not with the federal military asset that is the National Guard. The argument that the National Guard is a militia is completely unsupported and false... Only the states and the People can form and control an independent militia and their right to do so is expressly protected in the Constitution. The only purpose for denying the People this right would be the intent to deny the People all their rights....
@@Mr.Ut21 Actually the National Guard has been federalized in recent history. They were even deployed to Iraq. So they are Volgus Militum, a profesisonal military/Standing army. They are not militia. Louisiana Army National Guard Patrols Along The Wall at Sadr City in Baghdad, IRAQ (13 years ago) th-cam.com/video/uE2O4Ho-aWc/w-d-xo.html A militia is an independent force under its own leadership that is formed by Constitutional state and local governments and the People. The right to form a militia and defend themselves from a tyrannical and un-Constitutional federal government remains with the states and the People as expressed in the 2nd Amendment, not with the federal military asset that is the National Guard. The argument that the National Guard is a militia is completely unsupported and false. Only the states and the People can form and control an independent militia and their right to do so is expressly protected in the Constitution. The only purpose for denying the People this right would be the intent to deny the People all their rights....
@@fungdark8270you’re right-it’s not a problem-keep downplaying it because it’s convenient Two people then with one person using your logic actually accounts for a lot of people, stupid.
If you know a vet online who is not a racist, you don't have to hang in their discord long before the racist dudes show up and start testing the water to see if you'll rise to their bait.
I have been a part of the US. Military for 12 years and served in two branches. Extremism exists everywhere. The amount of extremists coming from our ranks is a small percent, but it is a problem. I am a firm believer in my country and my oath I have said many times. Domestic terrorisim is terrorisim no mater what race, color, identity or background. This is a problem. Grouping us in with the outliers isn't ever going to fix the problem. Education at the lowest level has and will continue to provide young men and women with he skills and knowledge to accomplish military tasks. Using our training to do anything more than uphold and defend the constitution is not what we have been taught. These individuals are a rare problem and yet they are still a problem. Please do not skew this information in a way that paints blood on all of our hands like this broadcast has. I am, and will forever be loyal to my country. I do not think using a small percent of the population to punish the majority is the answer. We cannot correct negative action with further negative action. Alienation is what led these people to feel they need to act in the first place. Educate them on proper action and they will change. Not all of us are bad and I want everyone reading this to know that. We serve to protect and defend. Most of us are just confused and angry that we have spent time risking our lives for a country that hates us.
As long as you are loyal to our country and the constitution. Just don't be loyal to the corrupt Gov't. And your country does not hate you, what we hate is what the gov't uses you for.
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When I was in bootcamp a guy was pulled out of formation and we never saw him again. Story was he was arrested by FBI for Bank Robbery! Looking in from the outside it was mindblowing! Nobody would have guessed!
How tf he even make it that far? We had a guy in boot that was older, and they pulled him because he popped on his piss test for coke a believe. But that was probably the weirdest...aside from like a bunch of foreign people at the time joining the Marine Corps who weren't united States citizens. I went to 2 of my friends citizenship ceremonies when I got to the fleet, one was from DR and the other Peru.
A couple months ago there was a big thing on a few soldiers getting pulled out of formation (in the marines I believe) for sex (or was it drug?) trafficking.
Imagine been a soldier in WW2 fighting Nazis and Swastikas only to return back home seeing your grandsons branding the swastika. There is an error somewhere. Did grandpa fight and kill Nazis so grandson can be a Nazi?!?!
White US soldiers died in ww2 so europe could become overrun with immigrants and communism, and so whites to become a minority in the USA. IS that what you're saying?
When I was processing out of the military, some random soldier was chatting me up about looking for more post military. I was asking questions about what type of work they did and where could I find info. I found out he was part of a local extremist group. He was recruiting soldiers leaving the military trying to bolster his group. I memorized his name and rank. After that, I reported him to my command. I gave them all information he gave me. Last I heard, he was kicked out of the military. But I am sure I have a target in my head.
Keep in mind on January 6th they were hunting down "disloyal" politicians, even Mike Pence, who's a pretty white guy. Yes they want to eradicate anyone not "Pure Aryan" but first they're going after anyone "disloyal" which means you can be white as driven snow and you'll be first on their list. This is Nazism 2.0
God bless you. True courage. I'm sorry you have to look over your shoulder now. I am aware of a high ranking C.I.A. officer who I know was a member of the K.K.K. before he was hired by the C.I. A. I would remind such people that Nazis were responsible for the deaths of 50 million during WWII. My father is gone now, but I cannot help but wonder what he would have thought about this after his experiences. He had PTSD from combat. We are aware of that. He never believed in therapy. I wonder if these kids getting radicalized are aware of WWII.
If they handled it properly, ie. not telling the bastard where they got the reports on him, I don't see why you could have a target on your head. That could only be if someone deliberately leaked that info from the records with intent, and I find that pretty unlikely, if not impossible. Also, from what you're saying, there's no knowing if they got more reports on him from others, perhaps even before you, obscuring your involvement. Your report might only have been the tip that made them conduct an investigation and reach the same conclusion. Hell, he might have been kicked out because he spit in the face of a superior officer the next day that he didn't like. Who knows, but I think you've got nothing to worry about.
How US service members can espouse anything Nazi bewilders me. Their grandfathers or great grandfathers died fighting Nazism. BTW, I am an Australian ex serviceman. No way I would ever be radicalised towards Nazism.
Ms. Belew really hit on something with the observation that soldiers feeling betrayed by what happened in Vietnam want to bring it home. What happened with this? This is where what we are going through today is coming from. If they were betrayed, by whom for what reason? This needs to be dealt with. This is old trauma that still needs to be processed. Where will it lead otherwise? It isn't healthy and will prove to be unsustainable. The stand down sounded like it was a good idea, but didn't go far enough. The Critical Initial Steps sound sensible. However, it also sounds like many of the people they try to address have sketchy knowledge of what the Constitution is all about in the first place. They've sworn an oath to the Constitution, but what does that mean to them? Does their knowledge go far enough? Some good basic Civics classes may be in order here, and/or some basic classwork on Constitutional law. Don't laugh. I accidently fell into a class on Constitutional law myself many years ago. It was so interesting I stuck with it. It's helped me a lot to understand the underpinnings of our democracy and what our Constitution means for all of us. There are forces at work that would break up and divide our country. Why? Because they felt betrayed in Vietnam? Do they really think a dictator like Putin has all the answers? Big mistake. The answers can be found in good solid evidence. The reporter is correct - this could get a whole lot worse if not dealt with. The ship needs to be righted -
betrayed by the government that is...warmongering government who created the war in the first place, American have no business to be in vietnam or iraq or Afghanistan in the first place. Its not like these people attacking American soils. The 9/11 was not even done by Iraqi and most of the Al Qaeda members were US and Saudi citizens. Osama Bin Laden was not even in Afghanistan when US military attacked the country. All this talk about fighting for freedom and for American people are bullshit by the government, they only fought for oils companies and weapons companies.
As an Afghanistan veteran, I feel very betrayed by the political class that ran the war. IMO, almost all substantial U.S. policy on Afghanistan was a result of U.S. domestic politics, not an actual attempt to win the war and pave the way for a better life for the Afghan people; IMO the only honorable thing to do. For a long period of time, our policy was doctrinally unsound, and sometimes the policies were borderline nonsensical. (I.E. Not having authorities to target the Taliban unless they were planning a terrorist attack) As you may imagine, this has left me rather jaded about the political class, and makes me question the ability of our political system to get the right people into office. An understanding of the Constitution, which I took very seriously when I was in, really doesn't help either. The federal government routinely twists and bends the meaning of the Constitution to the point where it's unrecognizable. 4th amendment protections outside the home have been chipped away to the point that they are nearly laughable, and even if someone does violate them, they are practically never held criminally accountable, despite specific federal law on the issue. Forfeiture laws would seem to be a gross violation of the 4th and 5th amendments by any reasonable definition, and don't even get me started about everything that's regulated under some absurd stretch of the term "interstate commerce". I could go on. IMO, a better understanding of the Constitution will hardly make veterans more trustful or respectful of the federal government.
I was told, by a civilian, during the Iraq occupation to leave the country if I didn't want to support the president. I was in the Army, and this "supporter" of the military actually said that to ME. I knew the Iraq war based on a lie, and what was really going on over there, and I was about 20 shades of pissed off. The temptation to visit that onto the idiot civilians is very strong. The vast majority of veterans would like to see Neoconservatives lined up next to Antifa members lined up in front of the same firing squad. Most of us are deeply conservative in our own lives, but utterly libertarian in our dealings with others. This documentary makes the problem appear larger than it is. I assure you the vast majority of veterans would never even consider joining a white supremacist group. However, that aforementioned 'vast majority' is potentially far more dangerous than any white supremacist group. Many are combat veterans who have few qualms about taking up arms yet again. The media gets it wrong again........
Hard rationalize when you realize this country was stolen. Surprised there isn't a white Nation in the world already. Would be easy to establish in areas easier to dominate. .
like that really? probably not quite. maybe they were reacting to the national endangerment by obama ( for allowin g in so many muslims) and now biden ( millions of illegal aliens and cartels coming in )??? you do realize the militias used to be the ONLY army the usa had at first, and the modern ones want to protect thier local areas from this potiential endangerment by harmful national leadership decisions. it's just readiness in case the home invaders or millions of illegals decide to organize against us. Or the muslim terrorists or antifa who are training up to attack americans. VICE is antifa btw and so are some of the speakers onthe video.
Of course. This is simply because almost every human being on the planet governs their lives by EMOTIONS and FEELINGS. Following the proverbial herd is a close third, while utilizing facts and scientific analysis are a distant fourth (if considered at all). Sadly, as much as anyone might try to refute what I'm noting here... nope... sorry. It's just not refutable. Personally, in my 40+ years on this planet, I can hardly say that I've met very many humans who use LOGIC, science, facts, and emotional neutrality to make decisions. Seriously. I think I've met... uhm... maybe three. Possibly six. 😕 That's horrifically, horrendously low. And I've met thousands of people. 🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨
Yes. Real combat is scary, humbling, and not something you want to do again. But u know u will, Thats the job. Not piloting a drone from a silo, eye to eye combat, who the fu*k wants that
Well when I left the army after 7 years I felt some what lost but joined a gym and martial arts club and I felt better and my teacher luckily was a veteran also and had someone to talk to, when I run into trouble since I wasn’t accustomed to the civilian life.
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As an asian that served in the US army, I did face some racism/bullying from certain peers and superiors. It was rather uncommon, but you always had the usual d-bags once in a while. Glad to say that there were a lot more good guys that had my back.
They should go to Asia and try that attitude. They will be culled in a matter of minutes
Yeah. It’s something you don’t see very often in reporting. A lot of these reports often broad-brush all veterans as bad people. It’s nice.
My husband is current army, and we agree that on the fort is where the peace and multiculturalism is at. Just outside of it, there are a lot of racist veterans and locals that don’t like people of other nationalities coming to town and bringing their businesses into these desolate places. It’s odd, because those are shops and restaurants that keep those towns afloat.
@@JackieOwl94 it tends to be the older people, huh?
I can tell you weren't in the navy. You wouldn't have been hastled about anything race related if you had been. Sorry you had some turds in your outfit brother.
Most keep their beliefs quiet until they get out and don't have anyone to hate anymore. They get bored and only know how to be aggressive. What do you expect.
"Then after all this, we have the Vietnam War"
I always feel bad for Korean War vets. It's like no one remember that war happened
@@yunis1175 You mean No Gun Ri?
I mean WWI, WWII, and Vietnam also had incidence so it's not unique.
@@mbogucki1 Korea had the highest civilian casualty rate of any US war, and it never really ended - just got less hot.
It's called "The Forgotten War" for many excellent reasons. While it's seldom taught in school,,, the overwhelming tragedy is that it was a massive boondoggle of the most significant proportion ever. To mention ONE overlook committed by our government was how ill equipt the men and women were for the brutal winter in Korea. Frostbite was expected, and many died from the extreme cold without proper boots and clothing. The war hawks and military planners failed those men in so many different ways it was so shameful they swept it under the rug in hopes it would be forgotten. It's all part of the propaganda.
Years later, we were all witnesses to Nixon's secret tapes, and Henry Kissinger was heard saying, "Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used pawns in foreign policy." And yes, Kissinger said that out loud. That sick evil bastard is still alive and is still breathing ... The "High Cabal," as the Secret Team within the CIA liked to call them.
Oh trust me, the older you get, the more you remember what happened.
The Korean war doesn't get writers panties as wet because technically, it's still a victory. The mission is still successful to this day.
The fact that South Korea still exists as a free country is pretty solid evidence of that.
But Vietnam gets clicks, and sells books and scripts. It's an easy outrage machine when you bring it up. So they do.
I was born and raised in mobile Alabama. I never knew anyone in the kkk. It was never a topic in conversations. It was practically non-existent. After coming home from my time in the service. The first day home, I went to check my mailbox and had a large minella envelope with a package from my local kkk. They wanted to welcome me home and invited me to a meeting. How did they know that I returned home? My blood ran cold!
It's a gov. Made up rare if existent boogieman
@@charliedehussle2640 huh?
How much does vice pay?
@@brutewarrior vice? I'm not sure what you are asking.
I call bullshit
"We spilt alot of blood" said a man who never saw combat lol
You probably never joined
either "we" America did, or he isn't part of "america". you're gonna have to pick one
@@JosueHernandez-hv3hqyou probably like being porked by strangers in that hockey mask 🤣
If our retired military members were Extremists our US Government would already be taken down.
@@JosueHernandez-hv3hq keep crying
The military is a completely different culture than the civilian world. You dont feel like you fit in, and have to another hard reset on who you were, just like in basic combat training, but this time in reverse all by yourself. The military is black and white, while the civilian world is endless shades of grey. Some don't adjust well once they get out. They retreat back to the familiar, and latch onto it with both hands because it's the only way to make sense of an endlessly grey world. I'm not saying putting on the horns and trying to kidnap the governor is a good idea, far from it. But this is where a lot of those guys are coming from. They are having trouble assimilating into the mainstream. So they turn to fringe groups. This doesn't excuse bad behavior. Evil is still evil. But if we can help someone before they become lost, then we can mitigate things.
basic was the easiest thing ive done in my life.... calm down rambo.
@@humpteedumptee8629 lmfaoo 💀
@@humpteedumptee8629
True
@@humpteedumptee8629 At no point did he say anything about basic being hard. Might wanna get those TBIs checked out, boot boy.
Also I think another reason why extremism seems to be more prevalent in veterans coming out of the military is simply because they're looking for that same type of structure and brotherhood that you get in the military. It's REALLY hard to find that in civilian life just in general. So, they tend to latch onto it wherever they can find it.
The irony about this is that the dolts that found these organizations were kicked out or terminal junior enlisted that did only one contract.
Don't they prepare the soldiers for life outside the military? Or do they expect you stay in as long as possible and they'll get to you later?
If that is so then why isn't there an analogous movement with African-American veterans?
@@newhorizonsforfifty2833 they expect soldiers to die and not have to return, of course they don’t prepare them for civilian life afterwards
They are a resource to be used until no longer useful and that’s all
@@newhorizonsforfifty2833 They don’t train you how to transition out of the U.S. Military. You just get told you’re discharged and that’s it.
As a prior service Coastie, and son of a retired Coastie, I have to chuckle at the Coastie at the beginning of this video, acting like he’s some sort of trained warrior.
No disrespect to the Coast Guard, but he was a bit to Huah for me 😂I am an Air Force Security Forces veteran, two times deployed and I don’t speak like that. I love my country and would do it all over again, but I’m not half as motivated as that guy.
he just said he'd still honor his oath, not really sure what's funny about that. what's your stance on 2A
@@blank4227 cringe bro
@@edwardliu111 asian last name
@@blank4227 even more cringe bro
I served as an infantryman in the US Army. That guy who served 2 months is totally full of it. After a month, you are basically still doing BRM, Basic Rifle Marksmanship. Maybe you have done some obstacle courses, communication training, and some basic movement training. He would not be proficient in almost anything yet. Chaptering or kicking him out probably took a couple of weeks, so that's it. After about 15 weeks, you graduate OSUT, one station unit training, you really only know the basic information you need to function as a soldier. From there, your first unit will actually spend time training you in what you need to know. If you have good NCO's, training never stops throughout your career. Eventually, you are the NCO responsible for training the next generation. In my time, I definitely had some dirtbags to deal with. You chapter them out of the military and move on to the next Joe.
@bastiat If you bothered to watch the video, one of the veteran militia members bragged about his 2 months of Army Infantry training. I was an infantryman, so no, it's not a hot take. The fact is when you arrive at Fort Benning, you go through reception, which takes about a week. Kicking him out or chaptering takes a couple of weeks. So, in his 2 months' time in the Army, nearly half that time was spent on paperwork and waiting. He would not have been very far in his training cycle at all. As for your comments on the ASVAB. Infantry actually has one of the highest average ASVAB scores in the Army. Plain and simple, you need to be smart to lead men in combat. If you are not, you will get someone hurt or killed. If you want to make dumb ASVAB jokes, you should direct your fire at parachute riggers. That's right, the people who pack your parachute have the lowest ASVAB entry requirements. Finally, about the Marines. They are a fine branch of our armed forces. The fact is that only the Army and Navy actually guarantee your job in writing. The Air Force, you fill out a wish list and hope to get the job you want. The Marines are at the needs of the Marine Corps. I wanted to be an infantryman, and only the Army would put it in writing. That's how I made my choice.
@@Minot11b cool
@_Red_Panda_ If you fail out Special Forces or Seals, your contract states you will serve at the needs of the Army for 18x SF or the needs of the Navy for Seals. Plain and simple, if you fail to live up to your contract, they can change it as necessary.
@@_Meng_Lan He joined the Navy “ undesignated”. Which means he is a deckhand and will go through his first couple of years observing other jobs that he could go to school(for a designated job) as an enlisted “job designated” member of the Navy. Any one in the Navy can become a Navy Seal… even a cook. He probably signed up for the Seals program in boot camp to go to B.U.D.S. And he failed out. It’s not uncommon for anyone to fail B.U.D.S. The strongest man you can think of “could” fail B.U.D.S.
@@Minot11b When I was in BCT the guys that got the boot for whatever reason, medical, failure to adapt etc. We're still there waiting to leave when we graduated. I don't know what the hold up was.
vice needs to do an entire episode on fort hood. the killings, disappearances, the cartel involvement, all of it.
No vice is a load of lefty woke amateur commie Marxist hogwash we don't need any more videos by these fake clowns
This would be real news. That’s how you know they won’t do it 😉
Never happen... @Vicenews
fort hood, wheres that?
And Camp Lejeune, it had an entire Atomwaffen cell, look it up.
I spent 24 years in the USAF and I never saw this type of stuff ( I retired in 2016) I think the more radical stuff forms AFTER their time in the service. Frustration with civilian life, a lack of preparation to getting out, combined with a skill set that doesn't lend itself to much after the military.
I can understand why the Air Force wouldn't draw that many extremists. I assume many are looking to learn combat tactics and weapon training.
I do not buy it at all.
Remember the Fiasco surrounding the Kidnapping Attempt of Bachmann?
A bunch of FBI agents escalating and instigating a farce.
Take a good look at Patriot Front. Worst acting I have ever seen.
@@jbiehl8478 To be fair and i am not throwing shade here but the marines and the army have lower standards than the air force. It just facts. The army has so many more people that real supervision is almost impossible.
Yep, served 12 years Army Reserves....Never seen these extremists while I served.
I don't know why but Air Force is immune to this. Maybe because it takes a LOT more skill. I have never served any army and am a pacifist (other than punching/boxing /mma) and I came here from Pakistan where we did have issues with extremists in the military. Same as in the US, those guys tend to be army. From what I have heard about the PAF, the bar to entry is far higher and extremists are too stupid to pass.
I spent 30 years in the US Army from draftee to Colonel. When I came out, I had a real hard time adjusting to civilian life. I am now 73 live in the country on a farm and keep to myself. That is how I adjusted, I limit my contact with others.
Great Billy badass
Welcome home, sir.
How does a draftee become a Colonel?
@@djquinn11 Well, after 2 years as an enlisted man/NCO, I took the tests to qualify for Officer Candidate School and I was selected. I went to basic airborne school while I waited for a class date. I attended in 1969-70, 6 months of hell and learning. Graduation rate was 40%, with most getting orders to Vietnam. Along the way you complete your undergraduate degree and master degree. Between deployments over seas, you complete officer advance course, Command and General Staff College, War College, and if selected foreign career schools. You also attend other schools to enhance your resume. All the while getting selected for promotion, having a marriage, raising 2 children and putting the wife through college. Easy, it was a great journey.
@@ralphgreenjr.2466 : Thank you for your service Colonel Green.
Lmao a vet dude, never seen combat dude, but what am I spilling my blood for dude? Dude, come on 😂
the way we treat our veterans probably plays a huge factor into this. The significant underfunding of resources, specifically mental health resources is horrific. As someone with PTSD, it is such an isolating disease, and they need a support system that lets them heal and gives them the love they need and deserve. I can’t even imagine having combat trauma. we can’t treat the people who fought for us this way any longer.
Clarifying this because people are now saying this is me excusing domestic terrorism and racism; GIVING PEOPLE MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCES COULD PREVENT THEM FROM TURNING TO VIOLENCE AND EXTREMISM. I absolutely despise these peoples actions, but at the same time I think they deserve access to the mental health resources they desperately need. I also think about the countless homeless veterans or veterans struggling with addiction who have no access to a support system.
America has never stopped having mass shootings, remember Extermination of First Nations Started under George Washington And his Father 40years before 1776 they called Washington 'Village Destroyer."
Americans are Taught to Murder by Land Owner's Sovereignty which in Federal Law makes Landowners are equal to the Sovereign, like King James. As a matter of fact Americans are like "Monkey See, Monkey Do" or Everybody else is killing their wives, in Texas murdering your wife in not a crime. (It has changed I think I remember several Woman Killers in 1950's through 1990s who Murdered Wives anf Scated Away free and Breezey. Christians are taught in the Bible that Murder of a Woman who is a Scold or a Son who won,t obey should be Murdered also, Christianity is PRO MURDERERS
So as long as Bibles and Guns are Protected in America Men will Murder Women.
At 74 Years old I has clocked these trends. America is The Murder Nation.
Soon China with give Americans a taste of Murder - Men will weep and Beg like woman's and shall be murdered like rabid dogs. China and Russia sees Americans as Mad Rabid Dogs, Rightly.
@bastiat4855 nah u can look at statistics showing rates of homelessness, addiction, severe mental health issues, etc. for veterans in the united states. It’s a well known issue and denying it would be pretty sad
Tbh the us is pretty shady in its military operations. U r not fighting to keep ur country safe, u go and meddle in other people's business. In the military they tell u r a hero alpha male. To the public u r not
They need to be helped once they get back from serving.
@@Pattern_seeker202 yeah but republicans keep trying to cut social services and democrats are too busy barley pretending to care about progressive issues.
I think the lack of support soldiers get AFTER their service is one significant factor why they turn to extremism. With a military budget this big, the government needs to provide a lot more for the veterans
Or maybe they didnt get "enough kills" while they were in. How many of these assholes saw action? Probably not alot. And thats why they signed up... to kill. So the failed. And choose to threaten their own country? Really Good Look.
ABSOLUTELY
Where's the money in that? US National Power got what they wanted from them already - you're talking about throwing money away. They're more valuable as extremists, anyway. That way they justify larger budgets for domestic surveillance and law enforcement. Cha-ching!
... not that these are _my_ values, mind you, but then, I'm not a good American.
They had a cause that they would fight and die for and then it came to an end. They need another cause, but a helpful one, no aggression involved. That aggression needs to find a healthy, helpful outlet. I don’t know what that be. Our WW2 Canadian able vets were put to work helping other vets. They were given office jobs and field work for various aspects of other vets lives. It worked pretty well.
The aggression has to stop.
Your oath ends when you are discharged .
Dude with beard and shaved head went through a lot of bad stuff, but stopped digging deeper holes and educated himself through legitimate educational institutions ..He identified the problem and is doing some common sense things to find solutions .. I don't know if what he's doing now is that much safer than his work as a forward observer, but I thank him for his service and what he's doing now ..Please stay safe ..
@@Jonathan-jp4zz did your "indoctornation center" give you a paper when you left?
All he’s doing is snitching on people for the Democrat Party; he probably traffic’s children while he’s at it 👌🏻
@@scottlarock9345 I'd like to see you say that to his face in person ..
@@skychristy398 oh really because I’m so scared of this snitch ass POG vet I tell ya. Btw I’m like 60 lbs heavier, I’m sure all he would be able to do is ‘report me.’ 🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻
@@skychristy398 k
“Military style communications”
“Hold your ground”
Lmao
TBF, American militias are the hugest larping groups in the world, and they probably do adopt military code and acronyms, that was just a hilariously shitty example.
I think the best one was the fool that said, "I will honor my oath til I dying breath. I will not comply."
Sir, your job was to comply.
What is wrong with these people? You are a u s citizen we do not Go to war with our own American people or our government. What the hell it's wrong with you people
@@dahliacheung6020 lmao
@@dahliacheung6020 These men regardless of contradictory oath are worth 10 of most men in these comment sections ..action defines the man not youtube comments 👍
Ok let me put this out there, as a 30-year military retiree, who represent the attitudes and opinions 99% of our population, the military Vets portrayed in this video are 'our' extremists too!
Please do not walk away from this video thinking our great countries Vets are a bunch of neo-Nazi or worse potential neo-Nazi's. I have met a few military folks who reflect the Vets in this video, many had these attitudes and opinions before they joined the service, they are a minority of the military population. Every NCO and Petty Officer I had the privilege of serving with, would not tolerate this behavior in their formations.
@Neil Collins thanks for your prior service. I don't believe most would walk away from watching this believing that vets are White supremacists. Rather this is meant to show that this is an issue, a cancer that the people and the government are aware of but that there is little being done. As I'm sure you know the military is often reactive rather than proactive.
We are waiting for tragedy to potentially start the process of maybe doing something about it.
Currently it seems the military rather have less than stellar individuals in exchange for high recruitment numbers.
@@SaintAnix. thank you for your thoughtful reply Fernando, I hope that non-Vets don't walk away with the military service- supremacists association. What I really want to avoid is what we experienced in the 80's and 90's, where military careers were considered the bottom of the barrel, as far as who's attracted to the career of arms, by the American population. When we slide down that rabbit hole the American population looks at the military with suspicion and in some cases outright contempt. I saw this with the post Vietnam guys and later after all the flag waving died down from the 1st Gulf War.
@@Ncollins99 But I'm going to put it to you like this though. If they have white supremacist members in the military. They also have African American gang members and Hispanic gang members in the military.
@@Ncollins99 Thank you for your service
@@Ncollins99 what were you doing in Iraq and Afghanistan then? Ya'll killed over a million people and we supposed to brush that under the rug? We saw how your army treated the captured prisoners and all those military secrets from wikileaks and we supposed to believe there aren't racist in your military'? Get a grip buddy!!!
Living in a conservative area of the country where a few of these militas call home I can tell you that most of the "vets" that are in these groups, or hang around these groups either washed out of basic, or were dishonorably discharged not long into their service. Almost all of them will brag constantly about having been a special forces super secret assassin, or have a little modesty and just say they were in seal team six.
Based on your anecdotes and lived experience lol. Ok buddy. Try again.
Gravy seals if you will.
And how did you come to know them?
Yep, it’s a personality type. The military did not make them that way. Their family and community are most likely responsible.
I knew a guy who used to come to the gas station I worked at.. was also the baby daddy of a girl I almost dated years before and knew a few friends of mine.. anyway he would stop by and we would smoke a cigarette while he bragged about his deployments.. saying he missed the "pretty pink mist" he would turn people into.. which I thought was pretty psychotic. I asked a friend who knew him and he told me he was with him first hand when he got booted out of the military during training. Apparently he got his enlistment bonus and then blew it all on hotels, liquor, etc.. didn't have enough money for gas to get back to his base. He definitely was never deployed. Not the first guy I knew who got kicked out of the military and lied about it..
Leaving the military, I felt extremely angry and abandoned. The VA helped me get over it and fall back into a normal life. Denying veterans care over extremism is the absolute worst thing to do. Instead, counseling and therapy will help ease a lot of these frustrations, while compensation and financial support will thwart the abandonment these veterans feel.
But even with these tools, I've watched several of my white brothers in arms fall into right wing extremism. As a stressed out minority, I cut my ties with these folks, further contributing to the divide. I would look at phenomena like Alex Jones, Q, and Fox News rhetoric for leading this divide. We as a nation need to be more aggressive against propaganda and disinformation, treating it as war against the mind, before it turns into actual war. I don't think that anyone on either side of the aisle actually truly understands how dangerous this situation is. This documentary paints the danger as vividly almost as it truly is.
@Will Boler thank you for sharing your experience, and also what helped. Our gov absolutely should be taking care of veterans with a clear plan. Coming back to civilian life is difficult. Although I have not served, I have experienced very long periods of drawn out trauma and out in the world, and in order to settle down I really needed a great amount of support. Hard to find.
Honestly the far left are the only people appropriately worried about these guys.
The activities of these groups around Jan 6 is so much worse than even the current inquiry will report on since it's all implication and they didn't action anything
The Republicans absolutely, 100% understand understand. After all, they're the ones standing in the way of getting these guys any help. Reducing radicalism runs exactly counter to their project.
yet the democrats created the kkk..... biden said your not black if you dont vote me. extremism is extremism. stop painting pro America people. what about all the minority people who voted trump?????? liberal ideology is ruining this country
speak out and tell them who is denying them access to care because they are so brainwashed they don't even see it right in front of them.
It’s funny that the literal founder of vice started one of these groups
Wait who?
@@IrishAmericanconnection Gavin McInnes founded the Proud Boys.
@@fontainheadi just watched another documentary saying he left them and formed a new group but I can't remember the name. That's why Enrique Tarrio (aka an fbi informant)took over the proud boys 😂
He left because Vice because a socialist front
Lmfao
My grandfather served in WW2 and Korea. I am glad he died 10 years ago because he would have been very disappointed in these young vets. To see soldiers with Nazi flags when his friends and family were dying in WW2 is just a slap in the face to those that gave their lives.
Same w my mine, exactly 🥺🥺
If you didn’t serve the stfu
Yeah, my Grandfather travelled halfway around the world to fight Fascists and Nazis in Europe and North Africa. It took him 57 years to visit Germany again afterwards, so much was he effected by the war. He would be rolling in his grave.
Many views are tribal and passed down, learned from parents and grandparents as they saw it and lived it. Thus instilled views cultivated and pasted down from ww1 vets, ww2 vets , Vietnam,,,etc
Did you know the KKK and neo Nazis used to hate each other for this specific reason, the Vietnam war was the largest increase in white nationalism in the past century. And led to the increasing militarization of these groups
If you ask a bad person “are you a bad person”; you think they will say yes? You can’t just ask them , you gotta look up their background information
Especially the early life section
That is absolute rubbish.
Oh, like Trump??
Outstanding. What do you do when they have no priors and no indicators?
@@harrypalmer7579 SHUT IT DOWN!
When I was in the military, my basic training buddy was a Klan member. I am puertorrican so we had a very uneasy, weird relationship. There was a point where we got along, talk about families, laughed, joked and you would think we were friends but we both it was far from it. On our lasts days he told me, you should come to Alabama to visit me, meet my family to which I replied. No. And that was that. I wonder if he still the same.
Smart to say no. Thanks for your service 🙏🏾
@@dollyscarz8295 funny you say that. I have never forgotten that. I still even remember his last name. I was a very young kid, very unfamiliar with the US race dynamics. He was my first encounter with one of them. Was I affraid of him? Not really, more like curious. Like a teen looking at a pissed rattlesnake. I knew he was dangerous, at least I kept getting warned about him but I had that confidence of youth Lol. Towards the end he felt like a real friend.
@@john_doe_smith Los blancos del sur son loco porque no ay mucho opurtunidades y la unidad familiar no se toma en serio como en la cultura latinoamericana y afroamericana. Son personas perdidas y con problemas
I am happy youre ok
i disagree with the smart to say no. that was your chance to change him. maybe he wanted you to go so he can tell his family he will no longer be apart of that life
When the losers in high school meet up.
When a gay comments
@@brentsumpter3604I don't know. You look pretty gay yourself 🤣.
@@Kynreevez at least they a face to show u bigggy
Are they extremists or maybe Americans that have had ENOUGH?? What has happened to our world? This is a war of good vs evil. Not of the flesh and blood
It's a strange reality to live with. One of my best friends I made at my Advanced Individual Training (AIT) had a father who was on the leanings of White Supremacists. However, we were close enough to talk about anything at anytime, and she acknowledged her upbringing, but was never prejudice, even to myself, a person of color.
At our graduation, we were lined up infront for handshaking and congratulations from all the parents and friends who showed up. Some refused to shake our hands, acknowledge our existence, or our commitment to our nation. It's a hard pill to swallow, but I can live happily knowing that my classmates did not have the same ideology as their parents. I serve my country proudly, regardless having to protect people with different ideologies.
I hope you keep that state of my mind because time and people stupidity will grind your patience slowly ans understanding slowly but surely
Hey my friend. I am what the so-called white supremacists would call a "true blood". I'm whiter than any of them because I live in Northern Ireland, a place where the sun never shines. I'm an Ulster-Scot like the Founding Fathers. The guy who printed the first US Constitution (Robert Dunlap) was born within walking distance of me. The man who created the textbook used by the Founding Fathers to create the Constitution (Francis Hutcheson, who coined the phrase, "unalienable rights") also lived within walking distance of where I currently live. Sorry for the long intro I just wanted you to know that even if some people in the US military don't appreciate your sacrifice, that I appreciate it and the people of the United Kingdom appreciate you, sir.
Serving alongside brothers and sisters like you, becoming friends and sharing the various experiences you did together - all of that probably plays a role in their rejection of that obsolete and senseless mindset. I hope you’re being treated very well in civilian life.
Unrelated but what did you get in the ASVAB, im interested in joining the branches.
As a Canadian I respect your resolve.
Does anyone think it's fitting and ironic that "The Base" was also the English translation of Al Qaeda?
That was intentional by the founders, unfortunately.
It was intentional.
Forgot about that!🤦
No it isn't. Al Qaeda translates to "The Leaders".
Y'all Qaeda
My brother who is in the army was telling me all about this 10years ago. From what he told me this is already generational.
A lot of gangs like MS-13 got a lot of their initial training from the US military. Not necessarily the military's fault... maybe it is in the sense of poor regulations.
@@spicychad55 I think it is the tribal nature of human. White nationalist and MS-13 just protect what they believe is their tribe. Being a nation that is made up of many nationalities and cultures. There is bound to be tribal warfare.
@@spicychad55 Exactly. There are extremists in all industries.
@@spicychad55 That was the case with Zetas in Mexico too (ex army commandos), but I think now they're gone. Same in Brazil (hitmen being ex special police). Although we see the money reason, in the US case seems purely ideological?
@@spicychad55 LMFAO
2:59 "just because i no longer serve in the coast guard"
LMAO. LARPER COULDNT EVEN GO INFANTRY
In many ways, coast guard is more difficult than infantry. It is harder to get into and basic training is harder. However the difficulty is subjective based on the rating
that makes almost the entire DoD payroll list "larpers" genius
@@Aviationlife408spoken like a true civilian
I was in the military for 12 years until I was force to leave after severe injury. I miss the military it was the worst and best thing that ever happened to me and I’d go back if I was able. In my veteran community I’ve never seen any of them being radicalized most just have nostalgia and miss their time in service and complain about how terrible the VA is. But from this it seems they could be all around me but I’ve never been approached by them that I know of. I know lots of TBI/PTSD/Disabled guys who could be manipulated using their trauma or exploiting their vulnerabilities and the desire to be a part of something bigger and a brother/sisterhood we lost when we had to leave.
So they join a hate group...bro that hate was in them before they joined the military...
so join the reserves
Lol hate groups, riiiggghht...... here's a fun game, let's compare the cost in damages between all the right wing groups and then to just antifa and blm.
@@lovekills9112 ok let's do that. Which groups are we calling rwhg?
Can’t you just all be part of the big cookie selling brootherhood?
A 25-35 yr old enlisted Marine who misses the Corp this much yet isn't serving anymore probably wasn't given the chance to reenlist. Furthermore, letting others call you "The General" when you couldn't possibly hold that rank goes against military decorum. I work in a VA hospital (and a Navy vet). One of the most common tactics I see with vets who puff up their service, and cling to their time in service to this degree, is that they're actually OTH (other than honorable) or ELS (entry-level separation aka didn't /couldn’t finish boot camp) discharges. Just my opinion tho.
Preach!! 🙏💯💯👌
I agree!
Couldn’t agree more. I remember there was this old vet I knew who endlessly bragged about his time in Korea. Found out after he passed away that in 8 years of service he only made it to E-3 and was dishonorably discharged after he went AWOL.
Agreed
The only people that endlessly brag about their service are people that want the honor for what little they accomplished. Thinking that their bare minimum was enough to let them ride by on life, because they lack identity and a true sense of self.
While the issue is certainly multifactorial, It appears to be a deadly combination of generational prejudice and hatred seeping out and the lack of support upon being discharged/ retiring from the military. Many crave the structure, discipline, and comradery they experienced while in the military and which is severely lacking in the civilian realm and something they find in these 'brotherhood' type extremist groups. My dad served 30 years in the Army and eventually retired two years ago. I know it was a very sad day for him as it had been a part of his life for 30 years and had been the reason for his success in life ( he was a JAG and eventually retired as an '06). The army gave our family many adventures including living overseas for many years and it was a time that while stressful (especially when my dad deployed) it was certainly something created a close bond between us. My dad ended up taking a high position in the social security administration and is currently still successful but i know many others who struggle. My dad continues to help fellow soldiers from his previous command who are retiring - giving them resume advice, education recommendations, and tips for transitioning to the civilian life. He has helped many get jobs in the government sector and other corporations and I am glad that my dad is trying to help these soldiers transition so that they have support and don't feel lost and desperate.
maybe but i think not most vets i know dont wanted to be around anyone
Well stated.
You have a great dad & he is lucky to have you.
Thanks for sharing your father's story....!
How were you in the Army and know words that big
TLDR
The Viet Nam war was the first war we were able to witness through the television. It was brought right into your living room. I remember as a kid, they would list the dead and wounded every night on the news. It was pretty scarry.
My dad was over there as an enlisted PFC in the Marine Corps in 1968. He was 20 years old. I took U.S. and Vietnam History in college. What an absolute horror show.
Weird thought isn't it, such a considerable change we didn't really notice at the time. Now we're all desensitised lol. I believe it was also the first war that they did hot drops in
@@colico14 US shouldn't have been there plain and simple, respect to your dad though
@@colico14 The Viet Nam war raged through out my childhood. When most people I suppose did not understand why we were there. When I turned 17 in1972, I realized it will soon be my turn to be drafted. At this time, I understood what was going on politically, and socially. I struggled with how I felt about the war, about being drafted. Because we all knew by this time it was an absolute horror show.
I wanted to be patriotic, so I did the best next thing. I protested with the best to bring home my friends, and everyone else there.
The lottery was done that year, my # put me in the crowd next to be drafted. Fortunately it was decided to pull everyone out. Remember them saying it was not our war, it was merely a police action? Yea right.
It was a lot different watching those TV casualty reports from Nam, when you were looking for the names of guys you went to school with, guys you played football with; guys whose sisters you dated. It got worse when your friends came home banged up or strung out and you all had to realize that the war was all for a bunch of lies.
My brother retired Air Force and he doesn't believe the same as the young man with the hat. We could be doing way more for our military to help them assimilate back to civilian life if they need it. Thank you for all those who have served our country and us. Breaks my heart to hear that people are coming out of our military and going straight to extremism.
I got out in 82 and it was absolutely training ground for the KKK and other white supremacist extremists as well as street gang military training as well it hasn't changed doesn't sound like
Your brother was in the Air Force not a crayon chomping marine, theres a reason hes not in a far right militia group
Im in the Air Force and i believe in the way this man, Hammer, thinks. Hes right. Its all bullshit. We have been spoon fed this garbage propoganda and youd have to be a complete fucking moron not to see it. Even now, the Air Force has been rated "Very Weak". The US military is not the military it was back in the 2nd World War. We are under a foreign entity, we fight for a foreign entity, for its interests. We only get paid in the blood of our brothers and sisters that dont even benefit us.
@@HeroOfTheDay16 Ashli Babbitt tho
Only like 1% of the population serves. Why do so many unhinged vets turn to this extremism? It is a paradox. They fought for the country, and now they want to tear it down.
“Without patriotic political education, a soldier is only a potential criminal.”
- Thomas Sankara
That's a lotta words for "brainwashing."
@@RRR66620 read a book
So brainwashing?
indoctrination?
I assume he meant indoctrination into communist ideals?
This disturbs me, as I was trained to serve and protect all Americans, no matter what their religion, association, color, or creed. 2025 is a sad year in history. 😢
"We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst."
-C.S. Lewis
@Leon lionhardt they're the only loyal ones
@@TomorrowWeLive Loyal to what? You guys attribute way too much value to your country. It's just borders. They're not even real. Here in the Netherlands we like our country but are also taught to think for ourselves.
Your entire country is build and based around extremism. There is no grey opinion or nuanced explanation. Just for or against, black and white, enemy or ally.
We won't even have to do anything, you guys will just kill each other. It'd be convenient if it wasn't so fucking pathetic.
@@TomorrowWeLive uh oh
@@anenclavetrooper9707 The founding fathers were White nationalists, either you agree or you are traitor to them and what they believed.
They are exercising their right to form militia groups and it is no surprise that they are demonized by the media.
Wait, was that dude bragging about being in the Coast Guard like he’s a bad ass now? 😂😂😂
He sees himself as a Navy SEAL
Yo, watch out, I was a mall cop. I was in Iraq....i Saffron Outfitters.
I mean USCG is pretty badass, they jump out of helicopters and stop drug trafficking soooo
Andrew have you served yourself, if not you should probably stfu frfr 😒
@@GraniteStater So you’re basically a more military police? Sounds lame.
For anybody worried about people like Watkins, the initial phase of basic training that everybody goes through doesn’t teach you much
from what my buddies tell me its more to teach you discipline? and how to follow orders
@@beepbeep1253 this is accurate, you learn basic tactics, but it’s more about teaching you a mindset that you are capable of pushing yourself
Exactly. The most dangerous path that leads to Extremism is Ideology - such as Bolshevism, Marxism, Communism, Socialism, etc - Group Think, Mob Mentality.
LMAO naw no one is worried about that
That depends upon what you were exposed to as a child. I was a gun nut, but the geometry of the M16A1 was new to me. I turned down advanced marksmanship training, because it sounded like sniper school, to me.
22:02 did he really just say that a 223 round will travel several miles 😂😂😂😂😂
How far do they really travel?
Yards in most cases. Not miles.
Daddy
3600 meters is the max firing range…less than a mile. Maximum effective range is 500 to 600 meters.
@@publicuser2534 thats over 2 miles tho
Failure to adapt is a separation category for someone who has not yet finished basic training or school. What this means is that he couldn't hack it. I have a feeling that a lot of these folks would fall under this same category.
Exactly… they’re untrained losers is what this video should highlight
failure to adapt can only be used if a soldier is in for less than 12 months , normally those types usually got weeded out pretty quick
@SandyRiverBlue - I came across a female “veteran” that didnt make it through basic training because she fainted on a hot day. She gets services at the VA and is currently appealing to get service connected disability. I don’t quite understand that. Meanwhile, PTSD Joe is struggling to get his claim heard and waiting for mental health services.
This subject is scary. I just knew that a lot of Vets were going to come back wondering why we were in the Iraq war and resent it. It's hard on them watching a fellow soldier die to include women and children. I've heard them talk about it. My first boyfriend came back from Vietnam a broken man.
You actually believe this 🤯
You are shockingly dumb
@@mikeray8004 Duh
@@omennemo8844 he probably killed all those poor civilians in Vietnam and later resented it
but it's a flawed logic to say you're obeying your oath to defend the american people when you're turning military weapons and violence on the american people who didn't send you to iraq
pain and suffering does not warrent the hate and inhumanity of being a nazi to want or even think about joining or being apart of those groups is unforgiveable
Extremism of this scale has always existed - just much more spread out and many small groups. The reason why it started rising in the 2010s is because social media was made available - where people of like mind in fringe society can find one another and group up. Now it's just in plain sight, because of how the internet is. This applies to every single fringe group out there - they've always existed in mass, now they just have a place to converse and converge together.
14:35 - 15:35 this person speaks it perfectly.
Extremism is also getting bad because democrats are trying to abolish the 2nd ammendment If they abolish the 2nd ammendment it willl start a civil war.
Bad actors also had a leader who was a POS.
@9:01 is that real or edited
If that's the case, they'll continue to evolve - and if that's the case, it reveals how many people actually support these ideals and if THAT'S the case, you have to wonder how many people quietly integrate themselves into society and DON'T reveal they have these views but carry them in private to remain integrated into society unlike some of these more militant fellows.
This is so far from a 'fringe' thing.
People on opposite ends of the political spectrum are able to “clash” via social media. As, for example, hard core social justice groups takes 🇺🇸 to the task for inequities… the other side takes it personal and pushes back equally, if not with more force.
My country used to have mandatory military service. As soon as that stopped, issues with extremism in the ranks skyrocketed.
One of the reasons is, that now most people who join are a) extremely patriotic and b) think they're ready to use deadly force. From there the way to violent extremism is just... Shorter. Another reason is, that the more culturally diverse group of people in the military worked as an early allert system. Extremist activities were reported much quicker, when there where people of more varied political, social and ethnic backgrounds.
Germany?
I'm a young vet and I can tell you why some feel angry.I am now broken and disabled at only the young age of 26.It makes me angry that my friends who I went to high school with,don't have to worry about the same disabilities I do.The VA is trash and the government could careless about their citizens.
You are SO young at 26. Your thoughts and anger are completely VALID. I HATE that the VA is trash. I want so much better for you. I can tell you that I'm 45 and life doesn't get easier. I hope you know that I VALUE AND RESPECT THE HONOR AND BRAVERY YOU GAVE. ❤️ God bless you young man or woman wherever you are. Love from South Carolina
Its funny people always talk about how you get free healthcare for joining the military.
@@squidwardo7074 honestly the only reason i joined up was because of citizenship and a personal view that i owed it to serve a country that adopted me as it’s own
Sorry you had to learn the hard way but they never did care.
Nobody forced you to sign up.
I love the guy going on about the trauma of seeing your best friend bleed and die ... and it turns out he is the one who's never been in combat ........
You don't have to be in the military to have watched someone die in front of you ....that happens in the hood all the time I've seen dudes stab each other to death and have had friends die from overdoses I'm not in the military but so what I've almost lost my life by getting hit by a car I was really close but It missed me happened more than once actually
@@captaincrunch7944 You're right; let me re-phrase that: I love the guy going on about the trauma of seeing your best friend bleed and die in combat ... and it turns out he is the one who's never been in combat ........ There!
@@captaincrunch7944 he literally talked about watching people die fighting a war for America 😂
Vice is a clown show always trying to stir up racism and blame police and white people for everything.
Was looking for this comment. Now I don't have to make it myself. That dude is the picture of these militia guys- Billy badass attitude, joined the military with visions of going Captain America on some bad guys but ended up behind a desk or cleaning making him feel his "potential for greatness" was wasted, get out and can't adjust to civilian life combined with these delusions of grandeur and the belief that as a white man he has a right to have everything his way and how dare they make him spend the last few years of his life calling black and brown people in higher ranks than his "sir"!
Like he says himself, "it's about power," and he finds it very unfair that he doesn't have the power he wants. Every time I hear these militia guys talk, they're just so angry and full of assumptions and conspiracy theories that you can tell just serve to make them even more angry. I wish there was better sense of community in the modern western world along with better mental health care. I feel like guys like him would be much more ok if they had a fairly healthy group of friends and a good therapist.
Soldier who just graduated AIT in August here. Extremism is more prevalent in the members who have left the military. Veterans, especially those who have seen combat, enter the civilian world at the end of their contract with a lack of support and still want to feel a sense of belonging. This makes them join gangs, hate groups, etc. I think the DOD needs to evaluate how they treat their veterans entering the civilian world with more attention to help address the extremism issue. The DOD has implemented SHARP for the military, a program intended to prevent hateful rhetoric, sexual assaults, and other problems from spreading in our ranks. This has already brought a positive effect in the military's ranks to reduce the level of hate IN the military. The question now is, how will we address servicemen and servicewomen leaving the military, and ensure they will stay away from following hate in the civilian world? That's my piece at least from experience so far.
You make a lot of great points.
You’ll soon see that it’s prevalent in the active duty ranks as well.
I would hope training would help. Unfortunately, soldiers come from different educations and backgrounds. While in the national guard, I deployed to Iraq with a bunch of racists who lived in rural Oregon and Idaho communities. I remember some saying, “White Power”. They were angry when DADT was being repealed, and had to attend sensitivity training.
When I got back from deployment, I switched to a unit based in Portland. That unit was made up of better educated and cultured soldiers. It was a diverse and LGBT friendly unit.
Ultimately, the power point presentations the military provides will not curb extremism. The military should actively involve VSO’s in military culture, that way soldiers have a positive role model.
The Base is literally what "al-qaeda" means in arabic lmao the irony is unreal
Career vet 4 Army tours from 04-18, 2 years contracting before coming back. OCONUS stations were the best years of my military career. Due to the isolation and influence of foreign or cultural differences, Soldiers were truly a family. We broke bread together, laughed, cried, and bleed together. CONUS, specifically Texas, I experienced every bit of the individuals highlighted in this segment from high ranking officers down to the lowest enlisted. I could not believe the difference, as my first station was OCONUS for almost 6 years. I have good buddies of all races, lifelong companions that if need be, I'd ride through hell again with, but lord knows there is an extremist/racist problem within the ranks, without question.
Preach! Americans come together overseas but decay in CONUS.
I’m a black veteran; I wont disclose what I did in the military. I have had several brothers that are white show and tell me through my 8 years that their is race soldiers in military. Until this day they are my brothers for telling me the truth and now I understand what’s happening in the U.S.
It’s because it’s a perfect fit for an extremist. They are armed and sent to kill foreigners, they are usually not all there mentally so that seems like a dream for them.
I thank you for your service tho.
@Nick Gurr napped it outta my tongue.
@sambankman-Zelenskyare you defending racism?
We just had Remembrance Day here in Canada (November 11 every year). It was originally established to recognize our First World War Veterans (for example my grandfather, two of his brothers - one of which was killed there and is buried in France). Now all Canadian veterans are honored, including Korean War veterans.
My father was a Korean War veteran. When I was in grade 8 I was chosen from all the students in my city to recite the famous poem "In Flanders Fields" by John McCrae at the city centotaph on Remembrance Day. My father was there and I know it touched his heart. I visited South Korea in 2012 and visited the War Museum. I stood by myself in the Hall of Remembrance and I remembered all the Korean War veterans and civilians.
I was a bit taken aback by the relatively small Korean War section compared to the sections displaying the more ancient wars. Like those countries in the U.N. forces it was obvious to me that for South Koreans this war was still too painful to remember. I love you Dad (he passed at age 55) and Grandfather (who live to age 95!).
And now you guys are ruled by a petty tyrants named Trudeau who's owned by the NWO.
sorry but what does your experience have to do with this video?
Fire documentary
I totally get the whole 'is this what I've been risking my life for?' feeling when you get out of the military. You should be pissed. You're getting screwed. But how does that translate to hating black people? They're in there with you, they're getting screwed too!
Well said. But Black people have always got the Blame for weak people. They are not Extremists they are Devils that like to shoot at armless opponents.
Don't wake a Sleeping Lion. History will not be repeated. Too many Good hearted people will not tolerate violence.
Most people dont hate black people they hat Liberal Ideology that promotes hating Republicans for liking America, Trans children surgerys, and taking our rights away Every time I look up theres some new law in my state
@@siuraspe4281 we're talking about white supremacists here. They definitely hate black people. And most people don't hate liberals, most people ARE liberals.
😂😂😂
You know these people aren't exactly the smartest
I wish they had covered more about why so many people seem to be heading in that direction anyway.
I wouldn't care for what Vice would cover about why militias in the U.S. are a growing phenomenon. I've watched this video a few times with a lot of skepticism because Vice was cofounded by Gavin McInnes who founded the ProdBois.
But the story of the motivations of people who join militias would endanger any media organization that exposed the reality of the infantile belligerence that is the major force behind it.
Everyone needs a hobby. Instead of becoming a leader, say a kid's baseball team, the lovebros of the homoerotic men-together mostly failed military careers is more attractive.
@@rossclark9155 that and nothing unites people like a common enemy. Once they have something to point their finger at, everything else falls into place.
@@user-pm4zg2mw5b
Very Good
It’s VICE, they wouldn’t dare do such a thing.
honestly if you’ve developed unhealthy intentions as a child, the US Military is an easy place to exercise those intentions.
The USA is a militarized society. I mean look at their army. Look at how many wars they start. Its a war nation. So its not a surprise.
And if you come from a very prejudicial small town environment, you just default to how you were raised. Most of these guys were not "college-guys" with a remote possibilty of exposure to other people of other cultures. PATHETIC WHYTE AMERICA.
Exactly!!! THIS IS THE PROBLEM.
I would agree.
Yes and then you’re left with them when they dump you back on the street.
"are you comfortable with that?"
cameraman: ok👌
I cringed at that. This video is beta male cringe from the larpers i'm sorry militia to the cucks i mean journalists.
In the early days of my military career, we saw these types all the time, and everyone knew who they were. It was a lot of them then (not most, thankfully), and still is now, but they are far more discreet today. You get the occasional guy who post a little too much or says the quiet part out loud, but I doubt it will ever go away; it's too ingrained in America in general, so it's inevitable that these guys will proliferate in the service. It's scary for many of us, because too often some of them make it to really influential ranks and positions, where they can determine promotions and policy.
That’s a lie
@@johnconner4695 i guess you are one of the terrorist xD
I can believe it
Yeaaa that sounds scary.
@@johnconner4695 which part?
The town I live in, have billboards to recruit active duty Soldiers for their supremacy groups. Most prey around military installations just like the one I reside in. It is ugly.
We have plenty programs in the military and yet not effective as the way it should be. We have a plethora of supremacy groups masked in the military. When I led certain programs, we had to learn lingo and pay attention to body markings which would help identify affiliation.
The next part you should look at are these cult churches who prey on active duty and retired service members to leech on their benefits.
Yikes!
What supremacy groups have billboards?
That would be all over the news.
What city?
No you don't.
you mean "prey" ?
@@sendthis9480 Look up "I went to the Most Racist Town in America!"
This town is famous for "white pride" billboards. 10 million views on TH-cam.
What especially struck me, back in the '70s, was how, regardless of where you were from, almost everybody who had asperations to become an NCO, adopted a southern accent. I didn't know what to make of it, but religiously avoided the Rod & Gun Club on friday and saturday nights.
There are numerous groups out there that are dangerous like ANTIFA and Black lives matter and white nationalist to name a few. Remember when BLM was rioting and burning cities and here in Atlanta BLM murdered a little black girl for being to close to their perimeter.. Having protest is American as apple pir but looting, burning and killing people like BLM and Antifa did is awful and arrest should have been made. Any group that is destructive should be against the law. I live in the south and we seem to have less problems here than anywhere in the nation yet people always want to list us as the most racist or violent.
What
When the Nazi SS emigrated to America, most were settled in Florida and Texas!😮
AY, SARNT
Thank you for your service sir.
Just a reminder that "racists sometimes use patriotism to get attract recruits" does not equal "patriotism is racist".
If you want to prevent veterans from becoming racist, you can start by thanking them for their service and letting them know that you have their back, just like they had yours when they were in the line of fire overseas. If individuals and nations don't look out for their own, people will leave them and join groups that do (or at least, groups who make promises to do so), and unfortunately, some of those groups can be pretty f'd in the head. Just because something is terrible does not mean it isn't also predictable and entirely preventable.
Kinda hard to ignore it when this country was built on bloodshed. You can't deny history.
not buying it. the founders of the country were outspoken on their views, and they would certainly not view today's state of affairs as legitimate
@@blank4227
This does not surprise me. "Not buying it" that not everyone who agrees with your ideology can be painted with the same brush and/or shouldn't be communicated with is a hallmark of dogmatic thinking.
Yes, the founding fathers would have all kinds of problems with modern society. Few people would debate this. The debate is over how to go about fixing it. Not just the ends, but the means.
Anyway, if your goal is truly to encourage less people to be racist, rather than simply to stand in opposition to some common enemy for its own sake, you might do well to reconsider.
@@jasonblack4208why are you running away from the reality? it's not that the founding fathers would have had "many" problems, it's that they would be racist. They were racist. The country was founded by those men. "the debate is how to fix it" No, that is not in fact the debate at all. You are either with the founders and racism, or you are against the founders (and racism).
@@blank4227
"why are you running away from the reality?"
I'm happy to inform you that I am, in fact...not running away from reality.
"You are either with the founders and racism, or you are against the founders (and racism)."
I'm with team "humans are complicated and even the best people in history had bad traits like everyone else". What? Are you going to be against your entire country out of some sense of original sins committing during its founding?
Your dogma is in your head. Your country and the fallible, flesh-and-blood humans around you are not, and they are what you need to make peace with to get by in this world.
Send a bunch of kids to fight a frivolous, illegal war and wonder why they come home fcked up. Shameful.
We all didnt go down a conspiratorial rabbit hole. Some of us are sane individuals with moral injuries. You call us fvcked up, but I beg to differ.
All becuase of both a theory that was bad, and because of france throwing a tantrum
which frivolous illegal war are we talking about?
Imagine wearing an armband your grandparents fought against...
@Graf von Losinj - I Post Info this popular symbol was flipped and it means different thing...
@Graf von Losinj - I Post Info The Nazis stole and desecrated the swastika, like they ruined so many things. One of the _least_ of their crimes, but a crime nonetheless.
Many are southerners, their grandparents were traitors too
@@MrAniseable No It doesn't
@@ChuxDiaz yes educate yourself
It's kind of like the saying "you can take the kid out of the hood but you can't take the hood out of the kid." I think the same thing applies here with some of these veterans, they can't let go of their military life and they keep trying to implement it in everyday civilian life
After taking fathers out of the home, dismantling the traditional family and creating laws and policies which marginalize men. Don't be surprised when you see more of this kind of thing.
Maybe a hollow point to the noggin' is a solution that benefits everyone else in this world who is not prone to killing other human beings.
@@stopthemediaswaronmen3029 absolutely why do you think the military is having such a hard time recruiting now
@@johnbooth5297 That's all part of their plan. Div3rsity is weakening the miIitary.
hah?
I love how the two idiots leading groups never saw combat lmao 😂
It is true that these extremist groups actively seek out and attempt to recruit people with military backgrounds and experience. They target veterans and active service members because of the combat and leadership training they receive. This is not a case of the military being full of extremists it is a case of the military being full of people with the right training extremists groups want to acquire.
In other words good trained murderers right?
Free country! And a Constitutional Rite! If they aren’t terrorists or acting on it! There is nothing legally anyone can Do!! So you can spin it all you want!
We should not allow white rights to arms or a place of power they committed every genocide ever
@@tinopacino9400 Right not Rite. 2022 spell check sir!
Too bad no one cares cause vice the best news source next to buzz feed said so
I'm not sure how my own country measures up, but I still get every impression that Veterans aren't treated with the same care and depth as they are trained.
Might be time to break the power grid
I like how he said "army drop out" and proceeds to show the guy flexing and yelling like a buffoon
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Yeah that was pretty funny.
lmao 🤣 that was hilarious
Might be time to break the power grid, no electricity no cameras no government, it's the only way
That is exactly the stereo type of ex soldier that gets kicked out but then says he got the Medal of Honor 😂. They Make everyone’s life impossible, can’t make formations on time, always complaining about the Army, does the least to pull his weight but complains about staying to work 5 minutes pass end of day. Useless human being.
"honor my oath... to the coastguard" :') Hahahaha omg the toy soldier is hard
hilarious
TAKE THEIR VETERAN BENEFITS AWAY FROM THEM!
As a veteran that has lost friends in war I can understand where the disconnect is with the civilian sector. Everything is to do with Values. We are taught to do unthinkable things and then civilians protest it. Plato said it the best. Only the dead has seen the end of war.
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I'm really speaking of Combat Veterans, with Combat action badges or infantry Combat badge. I know everyone who was deployed didn't see action. I for example went in 2003-2005 to Iraq. This was the wild wild west of times. So it is a select fee I speak of. You can't re-asimilate when you've seen all that I don't care who you are.
I didn’t use to feel this way but now I support compulsory service . Its clear we are training internal threats .
@@pooddescrewch8718 how do you figure that'll work. I don't wanna be next to someone who is forced to be there. Not only that but would you have them swear? To the constitution? Including the 13th amendment? Huge conflict all around. You minus well just keep a slave army and a volunteer army and keep em separate. It'd be a better plan than that... and you could probably make it LEGAL in some way too if they were "duly convicted."
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Trying imagine an ANTIFA member/supporter being forced to swear an oath to our Constitution leaves me in stitches!
I was an Asian in the Army in the early 2000s. There were definitely some racist mofos in bootcamp. The funny thing was most of these Southern dudes could not even explain why they were being racist, just that they were raised this way (ended up becoming a good friend with one of them) lol
Yes, although it was only the one guy from Lousiana that was racist...and sadly met a bitter end at a very young age...the other 20 or so were actually quite nice, even the one racist guy was nice to me (l was an internacional srudent from maya descent, I look latino) and they seemed to know that Mexicans are hard workers, one of them told me almost mumbling,, it was the lazy ones that they seemed to be disappointed about. Back then bl*ck basketball players had asked me to do their homework I said no, and they just seemed to be looking to have a good time, most basketball players were not good role models
So what are you now
Yep, that is a huge part of it. People are like that everywhere too. Stupidest thing about this country we think we are so special we even think our racism is special. Whine about it.
Im asian too. get tf over it dude. How would you feel if our asian countries were full of white dudes fuckin our women and taking over our government? aka colonization? our focus shouldnt be on reforming racism but protecting our own asian men and women.
Most racists I've come across have been from all over the place, it isn't confined to the South
I’m so conflicted. I recognize myself in these guys and the frustration and I also know that what failed them wasn’t minorities. It was corps buying out our gov and passive politicians that have left American citizens behind.
Clearly the problem is capitalism.
@@johnjohnson9756 better dead than red
@@johnjohnson9756 What system would you suggest that could be immune to humanity's inherent evils? You can change a system but reality is there are some things that you just can't change. And no matter what system is in place the root cause for the current complaints with the current system will remain.
@@jamstagerable nuclear fallout, 6 billion die, the remaining 2 million farm, build, hunt, gather, and instead of paper money (which can be easily weaponised by big corporations when it comes to capitalism) we trade the things we make, and farmer gives food to a builder and the builder makes the farmer a house, everyone has a role in society, everyone is happy.
@@Ir3gretn0th1ng posadism doesn’t work
Twenty bucks says that most of these dudes were not even in a combat job like 11 Bravo or Charlie (using the Army as an example).
And? Is getting shot at a badge of honor or something?
@@TheRealWinser It does say something about ones skill level.
@@jingbot1071 says nothing about skill but says everything about how mentally unstable that person probably is
they are unfit to serve mentally and physically most of the time. they don't understand the meaning of giving your life for your country either since they are all traitors to the flag by wanting to undo the last election !
For every combat soldier there are 9 support soldiers. For every soldier who saw combat there 9 out there lying about their military experience 😂😂😂
As a vet, I feel like the conversations I have in my civilian job would land me in trouble. I was surrounded for years by the fear that someone would report me or I would get a SHARP complaint. Trust me the military is ground 0 for a safe place.
We had that sharp in the Canadian army too
Youre a fictional thing doing fictional things?
You sure you're not a predator?
@@1joshjosh1 And look how that tuned out when a cadet at RMC ran to daddy at NDHQ and complained he and his squadron got jacked up because the big mean Director of Cadets was trying to find a person that sexually harassed a female teenager of the Sea Cadet youth program and got the Director of Cadets at RMC fired. Thank you for uncovering the veil Lt. Col retd. Mark Popov
Maybe because you’re a predator
Speaking of the underground side of this problem, let us never forget the powerful efforts of Ron Stallworth, the BlackkKlansman. The first black detective in the Colorado Springs police department, who, along with a white officer only known as "Chuck" managed to infiltrate the KKK and uncover evidence of white supremacists in the military, most notably at NORAD.
Being in the Army for roughly 2 months means that he never finished Basic Military Training. He was likely kicked out for not passing the psych evaluation while in basic.
There's no psych evaluation in basic.
Hey coulda been weird as hell and got peered out, which is rare but can happen
@@civ34 depends. If it was before 2005, he probably told them he was gay. If it was after, he probably told them he was straight.
He was kicked out for failure to adapt. That just means he was a bad soldier that had an attitude and didn't work well as a team. Last person you want "training" from. Could possibly have been a physical thing not keeping up with the standard, but they usually put you through again until you pass if it's a physical issue.
@@bebrown2354 DoD Directive 5124.02... a supervisor or commanding officer may have a member evaluated at any time.
depending on the year several branches have questionnaires that don't seem to be psych evals but they are intended to weed out. They are working well when they go unnoticed.
To enlist and get processed out in less than 2 months some extreme issues existed. It takes two and a half months for a good soldier to complete basic military training.
To this day I remember the Murrah bombing as I was in school. Huge explosion. Teachers thought it was a sonic boom from Tinker Air Force base since it was fairly close. We soon found out otherwise. My uncle was a firefighter that was a first responder. He never spoke about it to any of us. Love ya Uncle Mitch (R.I.P).
God bless bless him 🙏 (rip)
He never spoke about it because he died stopping the explosion?
@@neilnelson7603 He never spoke about it because of what he saw that day. He was a first responder. On the ground floor there was a daycare for the workers in the building. And almost 200 people that were killed. Explosions are not kind to the human body.
@@loahkii9055 Wow! He must saw hell in that building. May he rest in peace ✌
That was not the work of some rag tag extremist group. Way more to that story. If you only knew that explosive force after detonation always follows the path of least resistance, and that in this case that path was upwards, opposite of the crater made directly beneath the moving truck, and not outwards to cause anything but very minor damage to the building, none of which would have affected it's structural integrity by cutting steel support beams. Even the trial was a joke.
Military formation: stack up = a crowd of people in a small hallway
Military codes : hold your ground = anyone wanting to make a stand.
I get your point but come on, I'm just waiting for "fully semi automatic" to be said at this point.
🤣🤣🤣"fully semi automatic"...almost as bad as calling an AR-15 as "military grade".
@danm3532 who developed the AR-15 weapon. It is a clone of the military grade weapon produced by gun manufacturers for civilian use You are fos.
The US military is an anti-humanity terrorist organization
And this is why Vice is no longer a thing
I remember from meps, even over ten years ago, it was made very clear that you can not be part of any group like this. They even checked for tattoos at that time.
The rise and fall of extremists is just an inevitability that comes in and out with the times and needs to be handled as it happens. Prevention just seems like a lofty goal.
It's no excuse for the extreme hate that these groups show, but I think most of these veterans just like the militia aesthetic. That's probably why many of them joined the military in the first place.
This is true lol I remember 20 years ago people were freaking about street gang thugs going into the army and marines it comes and goes these idiots were never a big threat there will never be enough skin heads to make a dent on US society
This is just vice sensationalizing again 😂
Well spoken. People who dress up in all that military crap look like tools I think 🙊
Growing up in that area of Michigan, I never realized just how bad the extremism was until I recently moved out. It really is a perfect place to try to hide a movement like that. 90% of it is unpaved dirt roads that very little people travel on. Even the main roads feel deserted most of the time. It’s truly hard to grasp unless you’ve been in that area for a while.
The thumb region? I’ve seen extremist flags there.
@@djquinn11 yeah they’re everywhere but I thought that was just rural america in general tbh lol
@@cyber_pirate no…I’m Canadian and I’ve been through Michigan a few times and also through many rural US spots-think Kansas, Oklahoma, cow pastures you name it…and Michigan is another realm. I’m unsure why; true in rural spots in similar spots up here too (arguably less militant but still there).
@@pinlight97 I’m aware of Canada; I’ve traveled quite a bit through Ontario being so close to the border. But I can tell you right now it is definitely a lot worse here in the states (michigan especially apparently). Sad to see my state as such a hotbed for extremism.
Dirt Roads = Racism???
The National Guard is a civilian militia under command of the state governor. The Guard when "activated" for a federal mission, becomes a reserve component of the US Army.
Some states created their own State Guards. Because when the State needs them due to a natural disaster, the NG is nowhere to be seen. Most National Guard troops are from time to time posted overseas, and are not available.
Thats not how that works. The National Guard belongs to the State, period end of story.
If they are activated and deployed, then the Feds need to get the States permission.
At no point are they the Army 'reserve".
@@Mr.Ut21 You are totally wrong. 1st, my Grandfather was in the Michigan National Guard before WWI, they were activated and deployed into Arizona and crossed the border into Mexico under command of An US Army General Pershing. National Guard units were the first to deploy overseas to Europe as part of the U.S. Army in WWI. During declared Wars or a state of emergency. The National Guard becomes a part of the Army. In WWII, the National Guard troops were the first to be deployed along with the Reserve units. They fought in both theaters during the War.
I have a cousin that was deployed overseas to Honduras while in the National Guard. This was after the Vietnam War and the draft was abolished.
Florida is one of 12 states that have State Guards, which are not apart of the National Guard. State Guards answer only to their respective State Governors only. National Guard can answer to the President if the President feels he needs them. 250,000 National Guardsmen served in Iraq. National Guardsmen also served in Afghanistan.
Googling showed some National Guardsmen from Kansas and Hawaii totaling 4000 were sent to fight In Vietnam.
Actually that is incorrect. The Latin term for a standing army/professional military is Volgus Militum. The national Guard is trained and funded by tax payer money and can be called on to aid the army. They are not militia. The National Guard did not exist until 1916. So who were the militia? Militia, in Latin, is referring to a voluntary civilian defense force. In the American revolution, when citizens were still British and not American yet, it was the militia units who fought against the military (red coats) of their own government. A militia is an independent force under its own leadership that is formed by Constitutional state and local governments and the People. The right to form a militia and defend themselves from a tyrannical and un-Constitutional federal government remains with the states and the People as expressed in the 2nd Amendment, not with the federal military asset that is the National Guard. The argument that the National Guard is a militia is completely unsupported and false... Only the states and the People can form and control an independent militia and their right to do so is expressly protected in the Constitution. The only purpose for denying the People this right would be the intent to deny the People all their rights....
@@Mr.Ut21 Actually the National Guard has been federalized in recent history. They were even deployed to Iraq. So they are Volgus Militum, a profesisonal military/Standing army. They are not militia. Louisiana Army National Guard Patrols Along The Wall at Sadr City in Baghdad, IRAQ (13 years ago) th-cam.com/video/uE2O4Ho-aWc/w-d-xo.html
A militia is an independent force under its own leadership that is formed by Constitutional state and local governments and the People. The right to form a militia and defend themselves from a tyrannical and un-Constitutional federal government remains with the states and the People as expressed in the 2nd Amendment, not with the federal military asset that is the National Guard. The argument that the National Guard is a militia is completely unsupported and false. Only the states and the People can form and control an independent militia and their right to do so is expressly protected in the Constitution. The only purpose for denying the People this right would be the intent to deny the People all their rights....
And now it's about to get worse.
My uncle is a retired serviceman. He used to speak about those sort of guys when he was in the Air Force many years ago.
Yes, he heard two people say edgy stuff…
Yeah, he heard two real soldiers talking while pretending to look at his clipboard. F off.
@@fungdark8270you’re right-it’s not a problem-keep downplaying it because it’s convenient
Two people then with one person using your logic actually accounts for a lot of people, stupid.
The most air force thing I've ever heard.
@@fungdark8270 two racists in the military is too many
This is really an open secret, most folks around military personnel are already aware
Quoting Johnny Silverhand from Cyberpunk 2077: Phantom Liberty : "You know, taking that oath....bad idea."
They probably support Trump too. And you'd have to be an ignoramus to believe he cared for white people.
So..they shouldn't have made this doc or what?
as they put it to us “some of em are sociopaths, but there’s nobody else i’ll rather have watching my back then them.”
If you know a vet online who is not a racist, you don't have to hang in their discord long before the racist dudes show up and start testing the water to see if you'll rise to their bait.
I served 28 years in the Army, there were members from every gang that you could ever imagine. All races! Right and Left!
Genuine curiosity, how many actual anarchists or communists were in the military with you openly? I figured that would be pretty rare.
@@NotesNNotespretty rare they like soft targets that don't fight back
I got my eyes on the right. Don't care what you say.
@@NotesNNotes We had atleast two that I was fully aware of. One was my corporal and the second was in a sister company.
Exactly! It’s not just white people on the right, it’s a ton of other people in other groups.
Devils and cowards
I have been a part of the US. Military for 12 years and served in two branches. Extremism exists everywhere. The amount of extremists coming from our ranks is a small percent, but it is a problem. I am a firm believer in my country and my oath I have said many times. Domestic terrorisim is terrorisim no mater what race, color, identity or background. This is a problem. Grouping us in with the outliers isn't ever going to fix the problem. Education at the lowest level has and will continue to provide young men and women with he skills and knowledge to accomplish military tasks. Using our training to do anything more than uphold and defend the constitution is not what we have been taught. These individuals are a rare problem and yet they are still a problem. Please do not skew this information in a way that paints blood on all of our hands like this broadcast has. I am, and will forever be loyal to my country. I do not think using a small percent of the population to punish the majority is the answer. We cannot correct negative action with further negative action. Alienation is what led these people to feel they need to act in the first place. Educate them on proper action and they will change. Not all of us are bad and I want everyone reading this to know that. We serve to protect and defend. Most of us are just confused and angry that we have spent time risking our lives for a country that hates us.
As long as you are loyal to our country and the constitution. Just don't be loyal to the corrupt Gov't. And your country does not hate you, what we hate is what the gov't uses you for.
Well one thing now we no longer have to worry about this. Since the woke military is in place. A kinder gentler Tik Tok military is now protecting us. I feel safer now since proper pronouns in the ranks are laying on that wall
Beautifully written my man.
All of your comments are extremists talk. You're all part of the same group.
We appreciate you!
The irony of them claiming to be Americans with nazi flags lolol
yeah because operation paperclip never happened. lol
Yeah, that's some twisted sh*t. Do these guys wish the Allies had lost WW2?
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Why can't you be a national socialist American?
We live in the belly of the beast
When I was in bootcamp a guy was pulled out of formation and we never saw him again. Story was he was arrested by FBI for Bank Robbery! Looking in from the outside it was mindblowing! Nobody would have guessed!
How tf he even make it that far? We had a guy in boot that was older, and they pulled him because he popped on his piss test for coke a believe. But that was probably the weirdest...aside from like a bunch of foreign people at the time joining the Marine Corps who weren't united States citizens. I went to 2 of my friends citizenship ceremonies when I got to the fleet, one was from DR and the other Peru.
A couple months ago there was a big thing on a few soldiers getting pulled out of formation (in the marines I believe) for sex (or was it drug?) trafficking.
@@squidwardo7074 Human Trafficking. Marines
@@rickallman1318 They were working as coyotes, bringing in illegal immigrants.
They look like a hobbit army
Imagine been a soldier in WW2 fighting Nazis and Swastikas only to return back home seeing your grandsons branding the swastika. There is an error somewhere. Did grandpa fight and kill Nazis so grandson can be a Nazi?!?!
We defeated the wrong army -- US general Patton.
Grandpa would switch sides if he saw the current state of "western civilization"
@@misterboot6682 What trap....Islam is b.s
White US soldiers died in ww2 so europe could become overrun with immigrants and communism, and so whites to become a minority in the USA. IS that what you're saying?
Those WW2 vets had more in common with the Germans than our current society.
When I was processing out of the military, some random soldier was chatting me up about looking for more post military. I was asking questions about what type of work they did and where could I find info. I found out he was part of a local extremist group. He was recruiting soldiers leaving the military trying to bolster his group. I memorized his name and rank. After that, I reported him to my command. I gave them all information he gave me. Last I heard, he was kicked out of the military. But I am sure I have a target in my head.
Wouldn't worry about it, I'm sure the CID at thay post is well aware of what's up. Along with the FBI and other alphabet agencies
Keep in mind on January 6th they were hunting down "disloyal" politicians, even Mike Pence, who's a pretty white guy. Yes they want to eradicate anyone not "Pure Aryan" but first they're going after anyone "disloyal" which means you can be white as driven snow and you'll be first on their list. This is Nazism 2.0
God bless you. True courage. I'm sorry you have to look over your shoulder now. I am aware of a high ranking C.I.A. officer who I know was a member of the K.K.K. before he was hired by the C.I. A. I would remind such people that Nazis were responsible for the deaths of 50 million during WWII. My father is gone now, but I cannot help but wonder what he would have thought about this after his experiences. He had PTSD from combat. We are aware of that. He never believed in therapy. I wonder if these kids getting radicalized are aware of WWII.
If they handled it properly, ie. not telling the bastard where they got the reports on him, I don't see why you could have a target on your head. That could only be if someone deliberately leaked that info from the records with intent, and I find that pretty unlikely, if not impossible. Also, from what you're saying, there's no knowing if they got more reports on him from others, perhaps even before you, obscuring your involvement. Your report might only have been the tip that made them conduct an investigation and reach the same conclusion. Hell, he might have been kicked out because he spit in the face of a superior officer the next day that he didn't like. Who knows, but I think you've got nothing to worry about.
He's a fake tough guy like the rest of them.
Lol “I wanna be a general officer but i don’t have what it takes to be an actual general…..I’LL START MY OWN MILITARY!”
I was thinking the same thing. Calling himself the general is cringe.
most of these generals in the actual military are worthless
Like any other field or career it's all politics. Only the easily influenced rise to positions of prominence.
And its your god given American right to do so
Lmaoo
How US service members can espouse anything Nazi bewilders me. Their grandfathers or great grandfathers died fighting Nazism. BTW, I am an Australian ex serviceman. No way I would ever be radicalised towards Nazism.
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Ms. Belew really hit on something with the observation that soldiers feeling betrayed by what happened in Vietnam want to bring it home. What happened with this? This is where what we are going through today is coming from. If they were betrayed, by whom for what reason? This needs to be dealt with. This is old trauma that still needs to be processed. Where will it lead otherwise? It isn't healthy and will prove to be unsustainable.
The stand down sounded like it was a good idea, but didn't go far enough. The Critical Initial Steps sound sensible. However, it also sounds like many of the people they try to address have sketchy knowledge of what the Constitution is all about in the first place. They've sworn an oath to the Constitution, but what does that mean to them? Does their knowledge go far enough? Some good basic Civics classes may be in order here, and/or some basic classwork on Constitutional law. Don't laugh. I accidently fell into a class on Constitutional law myself many years ago. It was so interesting I stuck with it. It's helped me a lot to understand the underpinnings of our democracy and what our Constitution means for all of us.
There are forces at work that would break up and divide our country. Why? Because they felt betrayed in Vietnam? Do they really think a dictator like Putin has all the answers? Big mistake.
The answers can be found in good solid evidence.
The reporter is correct - this could get a whole lot worse if not dealt with. The ship needs to be righted -
betrayed by the government that is...warmongering government who created the war in the first place, American have no business to be in vietnam or iraq or Afghanistan in the first place. Its not like these people attacking American soils. The 9/11 was not even done by Iraqi and most of the Al Qaeda members were US and Saudi citizens. Osama Bin Laden was not even in Afghanistan when US military attacked the country. All this talk about fighting for freedom and for American people are bullshit by the government, they only fought for oils companies and weapons companies.
How honestly governments can control only some much,
As an Afghanistan veteran, I feel very betrayed by the political class that ran the war. IMO, almost all substantial U.S. policy on Afghanistan was a result of U.S. domestic politics, not an actual attempt to win the war and pave the way for a better life for the Afghan people; IMO the only honorable thing to do. For a long period of time, our policy was doctrinally unsound, and sometimes the policies were borderline nonsensical. (I.E. Not having authorities to target the Taliban unless they were planning a terrorist attack) As you may imagine, this has left me rather jaded about the political class, and makes me question the ability of our political system to get the right people into office.
An understanding of the Constitution, which I took very seriously when I was in, really doesn't help either. The federal government routinely twists and bends the meaning of the Constitution to the point where it's unrecognizable. 4th amendment protections outside the home have been chipped away to the point that they are nearly laughable, and even if someone does violate them, they are practically never held criminally accountable, despite specific federal law on the issue. Forfeiture laws would seem to be a gross violation of the 4th and 5th amendments by any reasonable definition, and don't even get me started about everything that's regulated under some absurd stretch of the term "interstate commerce". I could go on. IMO, a better understanding of the Constitution will hardly make veterans more trustful or respectful of the federal government.
I was told, by a civilian, during the Iraq occupation to leave the country if I didn't want to support the president. I was in the Army, and this "supporter" of the military actually said that to ME. I knew the Iraq war based on a lie, and what was really going on over there, and I was about 20 shades of pissed off. The temptation to visit that onto the idiot civilians is very strong.
The vast majority of veterans would like to see Neoconservatives lined up next to Antifa members lined up in front of the same firing squad. Most of us are deeply conservative in our own lives, but utterly libertarian in our dealings with others. This documentary makes the problem appear larger than it is. I assure you the vast majority of veterans would never even consider joining a white supremacist group.
However, that aforementioned 'vast majority' is potentially far more dangerous than any white supremacist group. Many are combat veterans who have few qualms about taking up arms yet again.
The media gets it wrong again........
@@thatguy22441 bingo. My sentiments exactly.
It wasn’t like this in the service but some veterans I’ve met since getting out, groups like these are more common than some thinks.
Hard rationalize when you realize this country was stolen. Surprised there isn't a white Nation in the world already. Would be easy to establish in areas easier to dominate. .
That's nice
like that really? probably not quite. maybe they were reacting to the national endangerment by obama ( for allowin g in so many muslims) and now biden ( millions of illegal aliens and cartels coming in )??? you do realize the militias used to be the ONLY army the usa had at first, and the modern ones want to protect thier local areas from this potiential endangerment by harmful national leadership decisions. it's just readiness in case the home invaders or millions of illegals decide to organize against us. Or the muslim terrorists or antifa who are training up to attack americans. VICE is antifa btw and so are some of the speakers onthe video.
the various ways that disenchantment with the government appears is crazy. it’s as if they almost have the right idea, yet are so completely wrong.
Of course. This is simply because almost every human being on the planet governs their lives by EMOTIONS and FEELINGS. Following the proverbial herd is a close third, while utilizing facts and scientific analysis are a distant fourth (if considered at all).
Sadly, as much as anyone might try to refute what I'm noting here... nope... sorry. It's just not refutable.
Personally, in my 40+ years on this planet, I can hardly say that I've met very many humans who use LOGIC, science, facts, and emotional neutrality to make decisions. Seriously. I think I've met... uhm... maybe three. Possibly six. 😕 That's horrifically, horrendously low. And I've met thousands of people.
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@@Novastar.SaberCombat that explains China’s rise
@@Novastar.SaberCombat I refute that its irrefutable
In what way can the disenchantment with the government be fixed? Voting is not going to help.
@@Novastar.SaberCombat The Juwish powers that be have a vested interest in people not using logic
These people are technically no longer in active service in the military so it is not a military problem.
tomayto, tomahto.
The guys who never saw combat always talk the toughest.
Doubt that
True ,I know a few and never do they say a word about it. Just that it sucks or they want to go back.
Guys who talk about guys not seeing combat most likely have never seen combat
@@Ideen217 😢
Yes. Real combat is scary, humbling, and not something you want to do again. But u know u will, Thats the job. Not piloting a drone from a silo, eye to eye combat, who the fu*k wants that
Well when I left the army after 7 years I felt some what lost but joined a gym and martial arts club and I felt better and my teacher luckily was a veteran also and had someone to talk to, when I run into trouble since I wasn’t accustomed to the civilian life.
Imagine fighting “radicalism” but being radical yourself… the irony of self belief